Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Raya36]

Hey everyone!

[Raya36]

UNVOTE:

[Raya36]

Hello Marksman.

Well since she let it slip I might as well claim. I'm actually an sk arso jester. I get 2 kills per day and you can't lynch me without losing so basically you stand no chance. A real shame the previous slot-holder didn't put the ability to use.

[Raya36]

Hey innocentvillager.

I was gonna keep that part to myself, but yes, I am also an innocent child. But it's fake. I get faslely mod-confirmed as town. It's to balance out that I'm also a jester so I have no chance to win that way.

[Raya36]

Also, hello again; Raya

Hello A50

[Raya36]

I did pass the 'I am not a robot' test 3 years ago when I signed up

[Raya36]

Starting to read up now:

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I think making multiple RVS votes is bad, people will meaningless incidentally accidentally end up at serious numbers like e-2 and e-1 a lot. Some people are into that kind of thing I guess but I don't think high stakes RVS phases actually work better.

Good post from Isis

Spoiler: nice

VOTE: hellbooks
VOTE: Marksman
VOTE: Nono
VOTE: Chemical Elements
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: spicer1209
VOTE: Elements
VOTE: WeyounsLastClone
VOTE: Casey
VOTE: Isis
VOTE: Hayasaka
VOTE: ileileile
VOTE: Lavender
VOTE: Hiraki
I'm pretty sure I'm voting for all 4 scum

Immediately followed by this. Nice

[Raya36]

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inno is rapid firing reads. I'd ask where they all came from but it's likely not relevant anymore

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I thought we were supposed to confirm our actual role LOL then I realized it was public and I was like ehhh whatever

Anyway I feel I should be cleared because obviously I wouldn't "confirm VT" to the mod if I'm actually mafia goon.

u guys can we talk about how this sounds fake as fuck

Honestly I don't find it that fake. It's like 50/50 for me.

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Nono interactions with wey felt weird. Maybe rvs distancing? How often do scum vote their partner in RVS anyway? I feel like I analyze this a lot without knowing the actual likelihood.

[Raya36]

She's a good source. I'll trust that. Makes sense anyway. I think I've done it before as scum?

[Raya36]

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I guess post #66 could/should have included reasoning, but it included most names that I found/find suspicious as well

It would be

such

a stretch to say that he was voting people for their lack of participation if he's townreading someone for their participation, right?

Hiraki, why are you even answering on WyounsLastClone's behalf?

Don't think Hiraki would answer for his partner. Probably not scum.

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I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.

tthis is like so bad

UNVOTE: innocent villager

VOTE: innocent villager
actually im still fine w this

What happened here? Genuine question

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VOTE: casey
I don't like that entrance

What was wrong with it?

Very light townread on Casey. Comes across as enthusiastic town

Something about Marksman's tone is making me suspicious. Not sure what though.

Also disclaimer that I'm not voting until I'm fully caught up.

I'll continue tomorrow. Quarter of the way there.

[Raya36]

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I want to say Hiraki is town

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UNVOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: Hayasaka
hayasaka had a bad entrance imo, in particular I can really several points she made early on as coming from scum. 1) the weyouns vote for having a bad read, 2) called shot on nono flip town. Then non commital shade on 216, and using the phrase incredibly townie offhand feels less like an organic locktown situation here.

on weyoun himself i think i'm more null on the slot. I think there's a valid interpretation of him being opportunistic maybe but i'm not really suspicious of anything he's done

This is a pretty bad post now knowing the associations here

Hellbooks is a strong townread but I expect her to flip scum.

?????

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noting 226 as wey's readlist

Hellbooks is a strong townread but I expect her to flip scum.

wat the fack

Let me rephrase it:
Hellbooks has a towny tone and posts towny content, which is why I'm scumreading her. /s

????????????

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I think Casey/Hiraki has a good chance of being TvT

I don't think Casey is scum with Wey

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I kinda think Inno is town?

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Like this entire page is just A50. I think he's towny.

[Raya36]

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Yeah inno can be town and marksman can be scum

Nono being so insistent on hammering is weird

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Still think Casey is town

I see lots of mentions of chem elem and elem and I have 0 opinion on either and I think I'm going to confuse them a lot when I finally do get a read.

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I do like chem's insistence on getting a dunk this page

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Not much happened this page

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chem puts wey at L-1 and says he wants a flip. Prob town unless bussing

Isis hammers Wey, makes me feel better about her being town

@anyone Is it wrong for me to hold weight in these associations or do you think this is a game that D1 bussing is likely

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VOTE: almost didn’t see green pm, w/e
reread and tell me I’m delusional
next time, don’t steal

Did you know you were already voting A50 or was this actually an attempt to quickhammer?

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I think the slot was so bad that scum has to be on that wagon somewhere

Agreed. Probably at least 1 scum on the wagon

Sell me on Spicer.

Weird question.

Hiraki also looks bad for defending Wey earlier, bit I'm hesitant here because it was almost too blatant.

I was never defending Wey, I was attacking your line of thinking. I still don't really get the scum case against him but a red flip is a red flip.

Sell me on Spicer.

Weird question.

Hiraki also looks bad for defending Wey earlier, bit I'm hesitant here because it was almost too blatant.

Hiraki may have done that by instinct.

Instinct? You think I play mafia with instinct? Have you seen me post even once in this game?

I also - have to be very honest - that I have just put two and two together that Wey is the same as Clone. There's way too many names for that slot.

I'm liking Hiraki less

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UNVOTE: Nono
UNVOTE: innocentvillager
UNVOTE: Isis
VOTE: Lavender
VOTE: Hiraki

are you really just unvoting everyone on the Wey wagon?

Yes. My hypothesis is that no scum are on the wagon. To test the hypothesis, we could dunk two people that are not on the wagon. If both of them flips town, the hypothesis is wrong. If one of them flip scum, we continue to dunk more people who were off the wagon, I guess. If the two we dunk turn out to be town, I don't know what to do.

Why don't you think scum was on the wagon?

[Raya36]

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@Casey
could you quickly summarize your case on A50?

Noting 563 as an analysis on Wey's readlist by someone I TR
I can agree with elements being scum based on the list. I've been getting 0 read from elements as well which supports this.

I don't have a strong opinion on Lav either

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I don't like hellbooks here. Bad votes

ugh idk honestly like just whoever

Don't think scum openwolfs like this

you voted a50 who I think is town

VOTE: a50

Y'know what? I am fine being eliminated already. Nobody makes sense in this game.

Edit: Actually, that's an unfair generalization, but when someone calls you town then turns around and vote you ON THE SAME PAGE and without giving a reason, another votes you but claims they don't SR you, and yet another is adamant I didn't "see green pm" when both pms are in their own spoiler in post 1.. I really don't think this is worth my attention or effort. I'm just going to stop efforting and search for another game to join already.

Not sure how I feel about the 'I'm ok with being eliminated' thing

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VOTE: Hayasaka

I don't think scum quick-elims town at this point in the game. It's easier to get away with this game but I see this more likely from scum later in the game.

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Noting that at least 1 or 2 scum were likely on the haya wagon

Vote: Chemical Elements

Why?

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raya is weird

Offended

raya we’re gonna dunk someone by the time you’re like halfway done

I see no dunk. Don't underestimate me

[Raya36]

Voting time!

[Raya36]

VOTE: Nono
VOTE: Hellbooks D-1
VOTE: Marksman
VOTE: Elements
VOTE: A50 D-2

[Raya36]

Y'all, Elements needs to be the next dunk.

Anyone who hammers Hellbooks is claiming maf IMO.

I'm ok with elements being the next dunk

[Raya36]

Oh and my case on A50 is that he unvoted Wey when Wey was close to getting dunked, due to a "misunderstanding of playstyles." It's so fake that A50 resorted to smokescreening silliness and perversion to distract from it.

Okay, maybe I vehemently dislike A50 *and* he's scum. There's a possibility.

My vote on A50 is more a paranoia vote but I do agree with this

[Raya36]

I see no dunk. Don't underestimate me

huehuehuehue I’m genuinely impressed feel like most people wouldnt finish at that rate

but it does feel like you skimmed/were a lot more selective with your notating after that good thing u did that huehuhue

Nah, I read everything and commented on what I found comment worthy. Feels like a kind of slower game though

[Raya36]

I kinda TR A50

even though he's not voting anyone?

That would honestly be weird for scum in my opinion. Weird for any alignment but scum especially want to blend in and not voting anyone in a multi-vote setup is now the way to do it.

[Raya36]

not the way*

[Raya36]

hellbooks or elements preferred out of the main wagons

[Raya36]

Why do you scumread me, Raya?

It's hard to really explain. It's more of a gut read which is why I'm not heavily pushing you. Maybe because you haven't done anything that I read and thought that was really exclusively town of you. I will do an iso and reread of you when I get a chance though. That was just my impression on a first read.

My main thing here is you were quite consistent with your wey push from the start and didn't waver when it was close to time to dunk the slot.

I think it's possible scum could have decided to bus wey for town-cred but I'm not sure how likely that is

[Raya36]

Okay, Raya. You need to look at the reasons I scumread Wey for and determine whether they were legitimate or fabricated ones for a planned bus.

Will do

As far as your first vote on him goes it was the first vote on the wagon aside from inno's vote which doesn't really count.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you scumread him for finding players who haven't posted yet to be suspicious. You questioned him about this which means you were giving him a chance.

You said we should dunk around now when Wey was tied at D-2 and you specifically said you'd be fine with Wey being dunked as well as someone much farther from being dunked. So clearly if you're partners with Wey there was 0 intent of trying to save him. You were off the wagon for a bit and stopped mentioning him so maybe you realized there'd be no saving him and the towncred was better than helping him live.

Then from there you were committed to his dunk as he was the top on your list of who you wanted to dunk next.

Tell me why you couldn't have just been early distancing from Wey then later when he was essentially destined to be dunked bussing him?

You said something about page 15 making you put inno down as town, and Marksman down as scum. Could you go into that?

To clarify it wasn't solely page 15. It just happened to be when I was reading 15 that I felt more confident even unrelated since I was thinking about the past pages as well.

For Inno:
-I had been agreeing with most of what he said
-He was pushing for more activity page 15
-His take in 358 seems more like something scum would turn into a scumread. Not townread them for it. I strongly think that was a more town approach to that read
-359 is good too. Maybe biased since it's my slot and I know I'm town but the fact that he defended a highly voted wagon that's conftown to me when as scum he could have just let it get eliminated. Especially in this set-up. He also continues to defend my slot.

For Marksman:
-Honestly mainly tonal
-Also biased that you keep fighting for my slot to be dunked this page and arguing with Inno who is a pretty strong townread for me
-I disagree with you saying pressure votes don't work
-You also say in 366 that Inno is a bit towny but then have him as number 3 in your dunk list.

[Raya36]

I think we should slow down the dunks now and talk for a bit. Maybe no dunking for 24 hrs or so

I agree with this


But can Nono be next? Don't like the push on you

[Raya36]

There's quite a few flaws in that, Raya. Like, I wasn't fighting for spicer to be dunked, I was arguing his one post wasn't towny. I was saying pressure votes

do

work, not don't. I didn't say my overall read o inno was towny in 366, I said he did something towny, which raised him from top scumread to no.3 scumread.
I'll address other stuff like the Wey thing when I'm not on mobile.

Agree we should slow it down btw

I'll respond properly

Ok that was a pretty bad reread. Scratch the pressure vote thing, and the part about Spicer. Probably took that as more than what it was since it's my slot.
As for Inno I still think that if you're going to find something towny enough to state then you should probably remove them from your dunk list until you've done a full reevaluation.

[Raya36]

Ok fine UNVOTE: Marksman

[Raya36]

My PoE right now is
A50, Lavender, Hiraki, Nono, maybe Casey but I do TR her and maybe Chem although I do have a TR there as well.

[Raya36]

raya why is that scummy from marksman? Why is scum!marksman more likely to openly admit I did something towny but still state that I’m in his pool, it kind of looks inconsistent

He could’ve easily just not said it was towny

I found the inconsistency scummy but you're right that it makes no sense coming from scum if it's just gonna obviously make him look bad

[Raya36]

My PoE right now is
A50, Lavender, Hiraki, Nono, maybe Casey but I do TR her and maybe Chem although I do have a TR there as well.

Inno and Isis I strongly town read and I guess marksman doesnt make as much sense as I initially thought.

I wanna say Nono is scum and the next best flip but at the same time their acting too openly scummy on my opinion. Rushing dunks and begging for a hammer etc

[Raya36]

Definitely want to dunk within [A50, Hiraki, Lavender, Nono]

[Raya36]

Are you playing dumb? I repeatedly said we bloody dunk then REEVALUATE. We don't just dunk because we need/can. Just because you are relatively safe sitting at the bottom of the VC with least votes doesn't mean you can win this (assuming you're town) because if 2 of the 3 right above you or 3 out the 5 above you are scum they still win when they gain parity. You can still be alive and lose, you know. USE YOUR HEAD. Like, why are you voting me, Lav, Raya and Casey right now? Do you have a case on any of us? Who would you rather dunk between the 4 of us? What would a red/green flip from any of these slot tell you about the alignment of the others (others as in the rest of the living players)? What did you learn from the green flips of the last 2 dunks?? How come they didn't change your reads AT ALL (given that you didn't vote anyone new or unvote the people you've been voting forever)?

CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE?

In my opinion, not being on top of the votecount just means that I am a little more likely to win if my position does not change. I would like to point out that the votecount order is not that static.

Below are some answers to some Questions Almost50 Asked (QAA).

Chemical Element's answers to QAA

"why are you voting me, Lav, Raya and Casey right now? Do you have a case on any of us?"
My case against all that I am voting for except Casey is that none of you voted for WeyounsLastClone. Casey's case is that she mentioned that 1 out of 4 is not bad when referring to your votes, suggesting she might have known WeyounsLastClone was part of the mafia all along.

"Who would you rather dunk between the 4 of us?"
Between the four of you, I would rather dunk all.

"What would a red/green flip from any of these slot tell you about the alignment of the others (others as in the rest of the living players)?"
I believe that all three scum are those that I am voting for and Hiraki, which, until now, I did not notice I am not voting for, so if three of you flip green, I will have to reevaluate my hypothesis.

"What did you learn from the green flips of the last 2 dunks?? How come they didn't change your reads AT ALL (given that you didn't vote anyone new or unvote the people you've been voting forever)?"
I have learned nothing from those two green flips. It has neither disproved nor proved my hypothesis.

VOTE: Hiraki

I'll be having my dinner now, so expect to wait for some time before I reply any of your other posts.

I was liking this until I got a nice bit of paranoia thinking maybe Chem knows that all scum bussed Wey and is pushing for those not on the wagon to be dunked. I mean it makes no sense to me to think that all scum are off the wagon. Right?

[Raya36]

UNVOTE: A50
VOTE: Chem
VOTE: Hiraki

[Raya36]

chem and i literally cannot be scum together lol

I don't do pre-flip partner analysis. I think you both have a good chance of being scum so I voted both of you. On a red flip of one of you I'd consider unvoting the other

[Raya36]

If you're town I hope so too

[Raya36]

But in this game if someone is highly voted it's very likely they're going down anyway. So I could easily see scum knowing that and all deciding to bus for town cred

[Raya36]

Never mind, I read this post from Raya again and it really creeps me out.

Okay, Raya. You need to look at the reasons I scumread Wey for and determine whether they were legitimate or fabricated ones for a planned bus.

Will do

As far as your first vote on him goes it was the first vote on the wagon aside from inno's vote which doesn't really count.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you scumread him for finding players who haven't posted yet to be suspicious. You questioned him about this which means you were giving him a chance.

One of the reasons I scumread him was because his biggest suspect was someone with 1 post, yes. Questioning him about this is normal and how you scumhunt. Determining questioning as "giving your scum partner a chance" is really strange.

You said we should dunk around now when Wey was tied at D-2 and you specifically said you'd be fine with Wey being dunked as well as someone much farther from being dunked. So clearly if you're partners with Wey there was 0 intent of trying to save him. You were off the wagon for a bit and stopped mentioning him so maybe you realized there'd be no saving him and the towncred was better than helping him live.

You're starting with the conclusion, and trying to find a suitable reason for it. Like, working backwards from your answer. Why is that more likely than me scumreading and wanting to dunk Wey?

Then from there you were committed to his dunk as he was the top on your list of who you wanted to dunk next.

Tell me why you couldn't have just been early distancing from Wey then later when he was essentially destined to be dunked bussing him?

What's the difference between my early and later interactions with Wey? Where is the transition from distancing to committing to bus? I don't get where you're drawing this stuff from, and concluding it's more likely a bus rather than a natural scumread.

You said something about page 15 making you put inno down as town, and Marksman down as scum. Could you go into that?

To clarify it wasn't solely page 15. It just happened to be when I was reading 15 that I felt more confident even unrelated since I was thinking about the past pages as well.

For Inno:
-I had been agreeing with most of what he said
-He was pushing for more activity page 15
-His take in 358 seems more like something scum would turn into a scumread. Not townread them for it. I strongly think that was a more town approach to that read
-359 is good too. Maybe biased since it's my slot and I know I'm town but the fact that he defended a highly voted wagon that's conftown to me when as scum he could have just let it get eliminated. Especially in this set-up. He also continues to defend my slot.

For Marksman:
-Honestly mainly tonal
-Also biased that you keep fighting for my slot to be dunked this page and arguing with Inno who is a pretty strong townread for me
-I disagree with you saying pressure votes don't work
-You also say in 366 that Inno is a bit towny but then have him as number 3 in your dunk list.

Talked about this in 791.

Almost all of the reasons seem really fake, but the only reason I'm hesitant is because why does scum!Raya enter the game scumreading Marksman over other people who had more votes?

She doesn't

I'll respond to the rest of this in detail tonight

[Raya36]

I'm having my doubts on how much we can analyse based on the flips. Since you came up with the suggestion, do you have any ideas?

Let me address the first part first: If we can't analyze flips, then what exactly is our source to develop our reads?

Now the second part:

WeyounsLastClone (L-0) innocentvillager, Marksman, Hayasaka, Casey, Elements, Nono, Chemical Elements, Isis

Hayasaka (L-0) innocentvillager, hellbooks, Nono, Isis, Elements, Marksman, Chemical Elements

hellbooks (L-0) Hiraki, Elements, Isis, Chemical Elements, innocentvillager, spicer(as Raya), Nono

Elements (L-0) Casey, Hiraki, Marksman, spicer(as Raya), innocentvillager, Nono

IV is on all dunks so far (bad), but he was first on Wey and had plenty of time to change that if he wanted to avoid that dubk (good). IMHO, the "good" outweighs the "bad" here, so I think IV is a townie who has been misplaying (or has been having bad reads), This is supported by the fact he is voting nobody (as of the post I'm responding to) which means he realized his reads have not been accurate and is reconsidering. I can fully understand a townie who had a boost from a red flip and got too confident to also lead a misdunk, then trying to be more of a team player (wasn't leading either of the last 2 misdunks) and then taking a deep breath to reevaluate.

Marksman also was early on Wey. He was late on Hayaska, not on hb and appears again on Elements. On surface he should appear even more townie to me than IV is, but I somehow find IV a bit townier and I don't even know why. Still a TR though.

Casey was on the scum dunk and only one of the 3 misdunks. I don't think I need to explain why that appears to be a town slot based on that.

Nono is another slot that appears on all dunks so far, but -unlike IV- she was late to the party on Wey. She also hammered twice (hb & Elements) and appears to have adopted this shtick to disclaim responsibility of her votes. "I saw a hammer and I took it". Looks bad to me.

You (Chemical) I have explained why you also look bad despite not having been on Elements (which probably happened too fast for you to hop on, maybe?). Still, even if you could have been on Elements and chose not too; it happened after I had pointed out 5 players were on all first 3 dunks. (or it could've been because Elements was one of those 5 you didn't want him dunked??)

Isis also on all first 3 dunks, but not Elements. I don't know how I feel about her actually hammering Wey though. If scum bus'd Wey then it's in you, Nono & Isis.

I probably have nothing solid for Hiraki or Raya

based on VCA

alone

, They both weren't on the first two but appear on the last two. However, taking their posts into consideration I think they are town leans. Both of them. And besides Spicer wasn't active, so couldn't have been on the early dunks anyway regardless of alignment.

That leaves Lavender as the odd slot that doesn't appear on ANY dunk (aside from my own slot that is) and I can't tell what she's doing/thinking given that I dunno how her scum game looks like. That's a true null here (would have been a town lean in any "normal" game).

As for my slot, I have explained why I was against being "vote-happy" like a dozen times already.

Assuming you are the next dunk: If you flip red I would probably be more aggressive towards Nono/Isis there, as it would appear you were trying to protect your team (by assuming scum didn't bus). If you somehow flip green I'd still be sus of the two, but I would have no case.

This is good
A50 can be town now

[Raya36]

Never mind, I read this post from Raya again and it really creeps me out.

Okay, Raya. You need to look at the reasons I scumread Wey for and determine whether they were legitimate or fabricated ones for a planned bus.

Will do

As far as your first vote on him goes it was the first vote on the wagon aside from inno's vote which doesn't really count.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you scumread him for finding players who haven't posted yet to be suspicious. You questioned him about this which means you were giving him a chance.

One of the reasons I scumread him was because his biggest suspect was someone with 1 post, yes. Questioning him about this is normal and how you scumhunt. Determining questioning as "giving your scum partner a chance" is really strange.

You said we should dunk around now when Wey was tied at D-2 and you specifically said you'd be fine with Wey being dunked as well as someone much farther from being dunked. So clearly if you're partners with Wey there was 0 intent of trying to save him. You were off the wagon for a bit and stopped mentioning him so maybe you realized there'd be no saving him and the towncred was better than helping him live.

You're starting with the conclusion, and trying to find a suitable reason for it. Like, working backwards from your answer. Why is that more likely than me scumreading and wanting to dunk Wey?

Then from there you were committed to his dunk as he was the top on your list of who you wanted to dunk next.

Tell me why you couldn't have just been early distancing from Wey then later when he was essentially destined to be dunked bussing him?

What's the difference between my early and later interactions with Wey? Where is the transition from distancing to committing to bus? I don't get where you're drawing this stuff from, and concluding it's more likely a bus rather than a natural scumread.

You said something about page 15 making you put inno down as town, and Marksman down as scum. Could you go into that?

To clarify it wasn't solely page 15. It just happened to be when I was reading 15 that I felt more confident even unrelated since I was thinking about the past pages as well.

For Inno:
-I had been agreeing with most of what he said
-He was pushing for more activity page 15
-His take in 358 seems more like something scum would turn into a scumread. Not townread them for it. I strongly think that was a more town approach to that read
-359 is good too. Maybe biased since it's my slot and I know I'm town but the fact that he defended a highly voted wagon that's conftown to me when as scum he could have just let it get eliminated. Especially in this set-up. He also continues to defend my slot.

For Marksman:
-Honestly mainly tonal
-Also biased that you keep fighting for my slot to be dunked this page and arguing with Inno who is a pretty strong townread for me
-I disagree with you saying pressure votes don't work
-You also say in 366 that Inno is a bit towny but then have him as number 3 in your dunk list.

Talked about this in 791.

Almost all of the reasons seem really fake, but the only reason I'm hesitant is because why does scum!Raya enter the game scumreading Marksman over other people who had more votes?

Section 1: I didn't mean giving your scumbuddy a chance necessarily. Regardless of your alignment I was just noting that you weren't forcing a bus as scum or an elimination as town.

Section 2: That's just how I think about things. I like to take what happened and see if I can find any motivation for it that makes sense. I never said that's more likely. That's why I said maybe. But I do know that would have been a likely situation for scum to bus if they ever would this game.

Section 3: This is all hypothetical. I'm saying it's a possibility not a conclusion. That's the tough part about mafia. It can be hard to tell if someone is natural or a bus. I'm leaning towards it being natural now but at the time I was highly considering a bus.

[Raya36]

I wanted her to talk about my reasons for scumreading Wey and whether she found them legitimate or bussy. Instead, she looked at what I did (like scumreading and committing to dunk Wey) and then tried to draw conclusions of how that could come from scum, instead of thinking about what scum is likely to do, and then seeing whether that's what I was doing. So again, working backwards from the conclusion.

What's wrong with that? I think backwards, you think forwards

[Raya36]

btw,, what i meant
just learnt to select quote, stop judging (highlight quote then "quote")

You learn something new everyday....

[Raya36]

This is frustrating. Feels like a shot in the dark now. Hiraki and Nono is where I'm placing my bets

[Raya36]

yeah yeah, it was all my fault casey, you never voted anyone

when nono and marksman flip red, just remember those were my D1 reads

This deflection is bad

[Raya36]

I really think we should limit ourselves to one vote per person now bc of the whole chain dunking thing

Good idea. I want Hiraki gone so UNVOTE: Nono

[Raya36]

Sounds good, I could help out with that too.

I checked Lavender's meta and she's only ever provided a readslist once before, and that was as scum. On its own, that's hugely scum-indicative, but the readlist itself has so much less energy in way, like there's less of those thoughts where you write something and then change you mind slightly about it the next second, and write something else after it. That kind of stream of consciousness is present in her readlist in this game though.

@Lavender - Why'd you decide to make a readlist this game?

That's an interesting catch. Just want this in my iso for reference

[Raya36]

Sounds good, I could help out with that too.

I checked Lavender's meta and she's only ever provided a readslist once before, and that was as scum. On its own, that's hugely scum-indicative, but the readlist itself has so much less energy in way, like there's less of those thoughts where you write something and then change you mind slightly about it the next second, and write something else after it. That kind of stream of consciousness is present in her readlist in this game though.

@Lavender - Why'd you decide to make a readlist this game?

I have done basically nothing this game and I felt bad for one.

Two, all of my other games are special cases.

The ‘Everyone Can Post Game’ I just could not form anything coherent.

Most of my other Baker games, I was lynched Day 1 or 2 and had no motivation.

A Baker Game where I wasn’t lynched for a long while was a game where I wanted to be lynched, so I did not do anything of importance.

The only other one who isn’t a special case is my first newbie game where I didn’t understand how to read people in general.

What was the reason you made the read list in the scum game?

[Raya36]

IV/Hiraki/Raya. I can't make any other group make sense.

Heck, everyone post your most likely maf trio please.

I'm thinking Hiraki/Nono/Lavender but that's based on my reads and not their associations. I don't typically do pre-flip associations

[Raya36]

The fact Lavender felt the need to explain the lack of a readlist in every other game she's played is actually a little sus to me - the first line would've been a reasonable explanation on its own. I still like the thoughts and tone in the readlist itself though. It'd be helpful if you could answer Casey's question as well, Lavender.

I was feeling the same way with their response

[Raya36]

We only have a bit over 3 days so we should probably dunk someone in the next few hours. I'm happy with either Hiraki or Nono with a strong preference on Hiraki

[Raya36]

Hey inno, would you like to help us dunk hiraki?

[Raya36]

i refuse to vote my Leader

But...

scum in {Isis, Leader, spicer, Lav} ?

[Raya36]

yeah yeah, it was all my fault casey, you never voted anyone

when nono and marksman flip red, just remember those were my D1 reads

This deflection is bad

this isn't even deflection lol

But it is. Casey points out why you might be scum. You turn around and say that she never voted anyone

[Raya36]

Hiraki isn't going through it seems so UNVOTE: Hiraki, VOTE: Nono. That's L-1

[Raya36]

i refuse to vote my Leader

i refuse to vote my Leader

But...

scum in {Isis, Leader, spicer, Lav} ?

@Innocentvillager

[Raya36]

Because I'd prefer Hiraki over Nono and as inno mentioned it's not a good idea to be voting more than one person rn to avoid chain dunks set up by scum

[Raya36]

Imagine being this close to sweeping the game as maf and NOT hammering a freebie like Nono.

Either all 3 maf are on the Nono wagon, or Nono is maf.

Exactly. Nono is mafia

[Raya36]

Those not on Nono yet, please consider what Casey just said as well as the short deadline and that we'd need time for mdlo (I guess that's the abbreviation?) and please hammer Nono. I'm almost certain this flips red

[Raya36]

we have to fucking marathon this shit if we are going to win, like I don't think anyone realizes how little time we have left, we need like 5 more dunks to win probably

I understand which is why I'd really like you to vote Nono very soon.

The fact that the dunk hasn't gone through yet as Casey points out means Nono is probably scum

[Raya36]

Inno why did you say you would refuse to vote Hiraki despite having Hiraki in your solve? I asked you this twice and got ignored both times

[Raya36]

i refuse to vote my Leader

i refuse to vote my Leader

But...

scum in {Isis, Leader, spicer, Lav} ?

@Innocentvillager

[Raya36]

But I don't understand why Hiraki was one of the four in your solve however when given the choice between Nono (who is not part of your solve) and Hiraki you refused to vote Hiraki and hammered Nono?

[Raya36]

I hate waiting for flips so much but at least we can make use of this time that the timer's stopped.

Who would you guys suspect if Nono flips red?

[Raya36]

I still feel like inno is town. I'd definitely be considering Lavender. I'm still leaning towards hiraki being scum but I'll need to reevaluate that based on the flip

[Raya36]

This has got to be the most frustrating game

I need to re-evaluate but there isn't much time left

[Raya36]

Would Hiraki/Lavender/??? make any sense?

[Raya36]

I TR Marksman, Isis, Casey, Almost50, innocentvillager

This game is unsolvable

[Raya36]

I'm definitely not laughing

I'm going to reread hiraki and lavender. See if I find anything there

[Raya36]

I'm gonna guess there was probably 1 or 2 scum on the nono wagon. Laning more towards 1. If so Hiraki then A50 if there was two. But I townread A50 (like basically the entire player list)

Scum is playing really really well because I have 0 clue who it could be

[Raya36]

I don't think I can really be swayed away from Hiraki. That was my preferred dunk yesterday too

[Raya36]

Why Isis and marksman? I townread both :/

[Raya36]

Why Isis and marksman? I townread both :/

mostly because it's so unlikely that every single scum was off the wey wagon given that slot's scumminess and the fact that he was the leading wagon

and also because i think there is scum off the Nono wagon

Alright. Its really hard to decide which I think would be scum. Feels like a 50/50 shot in the dark. I need to do a lot of rereading

[Raya36]

Also inno is never scum. Scum don't need to do as much work as he is right now. Just sit back and relax and let us kill off the rest of us and steer us a bit in the wrong direction.

[Raya36]

Hiraki, Lavender, and 1 of Raya/Almo is what makes sense to me right now

I find I'm.agreeing with this and I also find it hard to imagine I'll want to dunk anyone but hiraki today

[Raya36]

Well we've pretty much already set ourselves up for a loss so I'd really prefer no more mislynches at all. So if you're town convince me. But at the moment I townread basically everyone besides you and I guess Lavender

[Raya36]

Who are you scumreading again?

[Raya36]

My problem is I'm so tunneled on you and Lavender being scum together that I just immediately assumed you're bussing for towncred

[Raya36]

I'm also at the point where it feels like since there are 3 scum left there's a pretty good chance you will flip red but I'm also paranoid since every single scumread of mine has flipped green.

[Raya36]

Raya, you've said multiple times now that you can't see yourself voting anyone but Hiraki, so then why aren't you voting him yet??

Inno, same with you, you gave a general sentiment of cutting your ties with him or implying you think he could be scum, so put your vote down.

I thought I was lol
idk what the VC is now and don't want to accidentally hammer. I'll check after I've caught up

[Raya36]

Well yes but I'm on board with Casey choosing and I'm a bit suspicious at how it seems a little too easy to get you dunked right now

[Raya36]

Watch it be Inno and Casey and like Isis or something insane like that.

[Raya36]

Yeah I was just joking since that's such an impossible team. If even 2/3 of those players are scum than they're doing an amazing job!

[Raya36]

A50 in my opinion has also been super underwhelming lately. They made one useless post about how Casey is town and then went away again.

IMO scum often show their true colors as the situation gets worse and worse for town and their win gets more imminent. Their activity frequently drops off, they care less about the game, there's literally no need to put in the effort anymore when it looks like town just self-destructs.

I think Marksman and A50 are fitting this paradigm well. scum!A50 doesn't have to try anymore. The chance Marksman and Isis get dunked in the short amount of time is just so low now when the town is focused on Hiraki and Raya. Same with scum!Marksman, the only thing he really responded to lately was that one post i made where I included THIS VERY TEAM POSSIBILITY with the 100% solve. Obviously it was kind of hypothetical but he had to go against that in particular and not make efforts to reconsider his reads. Then this weird adamant refusal to hand over power to a clear when it's obvious that the idea at least has some merit.

They just need one scum kind of blending in with the town and continue trying to be protown in case. That would be Isis.

I like this logic and I'd be willing to go for A50 based on it

[Raya36]

FINALLY

[Raya36]

Wait only one left now? That's nice to come back to. I'll read up in a few but judging off the remaining players probably A50 or Lav

[Raya36]

Nevermind. I just realized A50 is already hammered

[Raya36]

Yeah that was a really good series of dunks! I'm kinda mad that I was on the right track with Marksman based on just vibes and tone but then dropped it. How dare you trick me Marksman!

[Raya36]

Thank you Ruby Red for nodding and really good job to mafia for having us tricked for so long! I'm also really impressed with the last few dunks and the turnaround! I wish I was here for that

[Raya36]

Modding** lol