Mini Normal 2157 | Mafia PT

[VP Baltar]

Haha, I played with you NPOM! I was mafia there too. I only draw mafia roles now, 3 for 3 in my last games.

[VP Baltar]

My guess is there is a town PR cop in this game. We should watch for breadcrumbs on that and try to eliminate that person asap.

[VP Baltar]

Also, I'm willing to be bussed, so it may make sense for NPOM to be suspicious of me early on and misyeet me later if needed for town cred to protect him.

Could also be some type of tracker/watcher role in this game as a counterbalance to the JOAT.

[VP Baltar]

I'd assume the masons also have power roles?

Anyone we should watch for as particularly dangerous town?

[VP Baltar]

What game did I play mafia with you Baltar?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83054

In fairness, you got killed for no good reason early on. So I'm sure it was forgettable

[VP Baltar]

Ah right. I think it was my first game.

Is this your first game as scum?

[VP Baltar]

Fun times! If you have any questions as we are playing or want to run ideas/ posts by us before putting them in the game, feel free to drop them in this thread. Let's get you a scum win!

[VP Baltar]

I just cant bring myself to be quiet even when I probably should be.

This is one of the hardest things about being scum. There are times I'll write an entire post and then just delete it because the actual right play is to just say nothing at all.

[VP Baltar]

For sure. We will get some distancing in soon

[VP Baltar]

I think this anders fight playing out might go places.

[VP Baltar]

I think I can probably spin up this Icon wagon if you guys want to avoid it. I can get some town pressure there I believe if I start going hard at icon and pressuring people to vote them.

[VP Baltar]

I'll wait for your input before going in on it. Open to other ideas

[VP Baltar]

let's just say that if i had the power to investigate in a bracket of players, i'd think andres/NPOW/VP would have a solid chance of hitting Tea

Ico cop maybe

[VP Baltar]

I can definitely see that. GB is being super low key

[VP Baltar]

Nah I meant it in the thread. My D1 town stance is let's wagon two people as a way to sort and make people decide which wagon they are on. You are welcome to press me on it or just leave it.

I'm behind since the game exploded in pages, but I feel like I can defend questions around that easy enough

[VP Baltar]

Also wondering about Billy being a mason too. People are weirdly reading him as town and basically zero actions.

[VP Baltar]

Nice job distancing from me NPOM. This is a good fight for us

[VP Baltar]

DKK is probably more dangerous late game. Snow feels like an easy mis-elim. I don't know if there is a ton of gain keeping them around later.

[VP Baltar]

Eh. I'm playing to win sooner. Off a few easy folks and let's cruise to an easy victory.

Jankofan may go today too

[VP Baltar]

Haha. I was like, uh....

[VP Baltar]

I suspect DKK as mason#3 more than billy.

Could be. The fact that they assumed day chat means they probably know they have a day chat cop

[VP Baltar]

Where is this fight with Koba going? Feels like thin ice a little bit. It is a bit suspect you won't eliminate one of your scum reads

[VP Baltar]

Haha, ok. I'd definitely be pushing you now if I was town, but you know your game better than me and I won't pressure you on it!

[VP Baltar]

The worm is turning on you. I don't want to add anything that could sway people that way right now. Trying to draw Koba back toward tess

[VP Baltar]

Day talk is pretty common, but I do think that could have been a slip from koba

[VP Baltar]

Haha, this day is hilariously WIFOM filled.

[VP Baltar]

Haha, I was just about troll hammer too. Nice work.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, we know all the PR are in the masons. Seems like that should almost be flipped? I feel like GB is almost guaranteed Mason.

[VP Baltar]

Aldus -- what are your thoughts on night actions?

I'm happy to do the kill. Doubt I'll get tracked

[VP Baltar]

And should we rolecop or jail?

[VP Baltar]

What would you think of me coming out tomorrow and claiming I copped someone like Datisi, and they have daytalk?

[VP Baltar]

Like, worst case scenario, town turns on me and I get yeeted, but maybe can out the masons before I go.

Or best case, I get Datisi killed and hopefully out the masons before eating it D3?

[VP Baltar]

Placeholder action:

Mod, I will kill George Bailey

[VP Baltar]

Yeah I vote no because you're probably in the best position out of the 3 of us

My only thought would be that my death would save NPOM. Given his powers, I feel like he is the most important to preserve.

Plus I never play crazy scum gambits! But we can always reconsider later.

So who do we want to cop then?

[VP Baltar]

You're pretty sure icon is a mason? Their play feels VT like to me, though the Dats-Ico connection does point toward masons

[VP Baltar]

Didn't dkk and Ico get in a fight initially?

[VP Baltar]

mod: NPOM will PT cop on Icon

Just to make it more official.

In terms of Mason suspects Aldus, I think maybe Datisi and GB are good candidates. I feel less certain about Icon as a third given their play, but I think we will find out!

[VP Baltar]

I'm swamped at work, I'm going to defer to you two. Feel free to change actions without my input! I am 100% behind you

[VP Baltar]

NPOM, you prefer Aldus' plan?

[VP Baltar]

RIP GB!

[VP Baltar]

Gonna frame this for Andres

You know, I was almost convinced NPOM was Scum yesterday. I still have the nagging feeling that it’s the wrong flip today. I can’t possibly justify going after VPB without seeing Bob’s flip first, and Aduskkel I am mostly meh about and don’t think their hammer screamed of Scum (which Ico pointed out already). I think Bob’s POE is hot garbage.

[VP Baltar]

So maybe Bob-Datisi-Billy for the masons?

[VP Baltar]

Though it is weird their reads don't fully align

[VP Baltar]

She didn't neighborize. It's a gambit

[VP Baltar]

If he's a mason with Loyal neighborize, seems questionable

[VP Baltar]

Thoughts on claim?

[VP Baltar]

I was going to claim or cop, yeah

[VP Baltar]

*PT cop

[VP Baltar]

Shit sorry. Missed it. Haha.

[VP Baltar]

your "uuuuugh i don't want to claim" makes more sense if you're an investigative rather than a role that can protect itself

Yeah, was trying to turn my hesitance into something I can use.

Feel free to bus TF outta me

[VP Baltar]

Lol worst case I'm going to out all the masons

[VP Baltar]

This is amazing right now

[VP Baltar]

I can claim a PT guilty on someone tomorrow after we kill Datisi

[VP Baltar]

If we can figure out someone for me to claim a legit PT guilty on and kill Datisi, we are going to run this game.

[VP Baltar]

That's what I'm thinking. You PT cop someone tonight, I'll kill Datisi. Risk is their other role is a watcher and they watch Days, but I'm on borrowed time anyhow

[VP Baltar]

My b on the 1-shot.

Either way, I'm loving this right now. What a roller coaster

[VP Baltar]

Should we try to direct the wagon toward a mason today?

[VP Baltar]

Billy though?

[VP Baltar]

I'm fine with assuming Datisi/Billy/Hell for the time being.

yeah i forgot datisi helped flashwagon testarossa so this seems like the correct answer

I could press those three to explain their reads on each other. I'll have a lot of free reign today

[VP Baltar]

Mod, if a PT cop tried to perform an action on a player, but the targeted player died that night, would the PT Cop recieve a result or not per your action resolution standard?

[VP Baltar]

I could be screwed if Tess pushes this result thing and someone asks the mod for clarification. I checked and my language was pretty clear unfortunately.

I'm going to choose to ignore that point and hopefully we move past it. Alternatively, one of you can use that as a weapon against me if needed. Just don't give Tess any credit

[VP Baltar]

Naw man. I'm gonna be toast after today. You need to stick around. I think you can play aloof for a bit more and be fine. I just wouldn't over do it. We will flip Bob today and leverage my fake claim tomorrow away from you

[VP Baltar]

I think that is a fine plan. Let's make sure the Bob thing is a done deal before we have you come hard at npom

[VP Baltar]

Fuck, now Datisi is asking me to clarify my result. I'm gonna lay low. We need a hammer on Bob. Who isn't voting there who could be? Koba, Aldus...

[VP Baltar]

Unless you guys see a good way to talk myself out of the no result thing. If I hadn't said "because he was dead" I could wiggle my way out of it.

Do I just lean in and say IDK?

[VP Baltar]

Also, is my count wrong? Why does Koba keep talking about LyLo as if it is tomorrow? Won't it be 9 alive/ 5 to yeet tomorrow?

Think they are trying to bait Aldus into a quick hammer

[VP Baltar]

mod please count this vote. Trying to game the system!

VOTE:
bob


yeah say i wont put him in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VP Baltar]

I'm holding my breath!

[VP Baltar]

There are serious elder council deliberations happening right now

[VP Baltar]

NPOM any thoughts on ways out of my results mistake?

[VP Baltar]

I think that was a real hammer, right?

[VP Baltar]

Say it was one shot

Explain how this would allow Datisi to see me visit the NK, but me not get a result.

AND OH THANK GOD IT IS NIGHT MY GAME IS SO BAD RIGHT NOW.


Ok, so we definitely kill Datisi tonight, right?

I'm just going to go out in a blaze of glory tomorrow. Like I feel like I should almost claim I have a guilty on NPOM? I'm just throwing crazy ideas out here right now. What is the best way we can WIFOM the town into a loss here at this point?

[VP Baltar]

I like that plan. I'm still going to get pressured over my no result mistake, but if I go down in flames you guys can burn me for town cred

[VP Baltar]

I'm gonna read this afternoon, but I think this is a good plan.

[VP Baltar]

wait, thought you wanted to rolecop hellbrooks?

I do think jailing makes a lot of sense though and is probably more powerful

[VP Baltar]

Here is the way I kind of see the pressure probably breaking down tomorrow, at least initially:

Tess & Koba will likely focus on me. I don't have a good answer for the no result, but I'll focus on my "positive" result last night and hopefully direct discussion away.

Datisi may go after andres.

Hellbrooks, andres and Ico are more of a toss up. I could see them focusing on someone within {VP, NPOM, Tess}

Swinging toward andres may be the path of least resistance since I could see other folks buying that argument if they don't want to kill me right away tomorrow. But that's probably going to rely on one of you two influencing that. I don't know if I can legit come out hard against him tomorrow given we were aligning. Alternatively, if you do end up having to bus me, I think going after andres as my buddy will be easy work the following day.

[VP Baltar]

Any thoughts on this:

In post 2242, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Does anyone know. Would you get a result if your target died?

i have an idea about this "i got no result" thing, but my issue is if i say it now and baltar confirms, it's gonna be "hurr durr you told scum what answer to give"

[VP Baltar]

[quote="from No Result wiki"[It is important that moderators word "no result" PMs to be clearly distinct from "negative result" PMs.[/quote]

I could claim I had a reading error and actually got a negative result, if I can come up with a plausible fake results PM that I misinterpreted. I can probably play off me saying no result because I just "assumed" that was true because GB was dead. I could say I went to the thread at the start of D2 to see who died before I checked my result PM. Then when I came back to my result, I skimmed it quick, thought it said I got no result (which I already knew it didn't matter because I saw GB was dead), and I didn't return to read it more closely until people started bringing it up.

Thoughts?

Alternatively, could I claim a "False" role or possibly getting Vanillized? Would that be considered normal?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=False
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vanillaiser

If I do claim that, I need to claim no result again tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

It is important that moderators word "no result" PMs to be clearly distinct from "negative result" PMs.

I could claim I had a reading error and actually got a negative result, if I can come up with a plausible fake results PM that I misinterpreted. I can probably play off me saying no result because I just "assumed" that was true because GB was dead. I could say I went to the thread at the start of D2 to see who died before I checked my result PM. Then when I came back to my result, I skimmed it quick, thought it said I got no result (which I already knew it didn't matter because I saw GB was dead), and I didn't return to read it more closely until people started bringing it up.

Thoughts?

Alternatively, could I claim a "False" role or possibly getting Vanillized? Would that be considered normal?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=False
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vanillaiser

If I do claim that, I need to claim no result again tomorrow.

EBWOP

[VP Baltar]

Gold star for Aldus!

[VP Baltar]

So now I could claim a positive on hellbrooks to just put the masons fully, or I could fake a positive on Andres to try to get us another ML if we think it is worth sacrificing me tomorrow

[VP Baltar]

Ok, so Dats claims mason and doesn't out hellbrooks. I say I go for hellbrooks and then when Datisi tries to claim they are masons together, people will call bullshit on 3 masons and say Datisi is gambiting

[VP Baltar]

Any thoughts on my results claim are welcome. Hellbrooks will result in mass claim, with everyone claiming VT.

Me claiming a false result on Ico or Tess could result in a ML, with me eating it the next day and Andres as a possible final ML.

I'm a little worried that if I out hellbrooks, the yeet could shift back to NPOM

[VP Baltar]

Fortunately, I had all of them in my "if Bob flips town" pool:

In post 2127, Datisi wrote:
and if bob were to flip town?

If Bob flips town, my gut says I should look somewhere in the hellbrooks/Tess/Ico/NPOM/Koba pool.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, sounds good

[VP Baltar]

That would be amazing

[VP Baltar]

HERE WE GOOOOO

[VP Baltar]

I'm going to take a run at Andres maybe. He was a bit weird after I said I had a positive. And now he is griping in thread that there are three confirmed town hahahaha

[VP Baltar]

You're definitely making stronger points. Andres is relying on dead town as his reasoning, which isn't likely to be persuasive I think

[VP Baltar]

Lol Andres arguing with three scum. I'm sorry buddy

[VP Baltar]

Taking my time on this Andres push. I don't want to scare people off from running it up too fast.

Going to be very interested in what Koba claims here

[VP Baltar]

I really can't believe they had all that build up for that!

[VP Baltar]

Nah. I think lay low for a moment here. I believe Andres is going to tip here, or we will switch to Tess.

I'm going to get Datisi and hellbrooks to pick the kill that isn't Aldus and then we sail into LyLo tomorrow

[VP Baltar]

Ok, I am committed to pulling the confirmed town folks onto Tess. You guys can do what you need that aligns with your past reads. If I can get all the confirmed town and Koba, I think one of the townies will join

[VP Baltar]

Just gaming through here:

I think if we can secure the miselim today, we have a pretty easy path to victory. I will claim a fake guilty and say scum kept me alive over night because I'm an obvious miselim for living.

I'm worried that if we have to bus, I'm definitely gone tomorrow. I can't decide if NPOM or Aldus have a better chance of being townreads through LyLo. The Datisi/Ico mutual town BS is the biggest obstacle.

[VP Baltar]

He said he had IRL stuff for the next 24 hours. We need to delay the elimination past that. So I'll try to keep the discussion going and subtly headed toward Andres or tess

[VP Baltar]

Ugh with the people moving on you while you were out Aldus. I think if we have to bus today, we are going to be in a bad spot.

[VP Baltar]

I'll be dead tomorrow for living. NPOM, this will be on you brother!

[VP Baltar]

Yep, agreed. There will be some WIFOM in the guilty claiming.

[VP Baltar]

Are we in LyLo tomorrow if they don't eliminate today?

[VP Baltar]

Could be a chance to stall them out. I just need to pull andres

[VP Baltar]

I think you're ok. Just don't acknowledge it. Hellbrooks might be interested in testa today. I'm going to try to persuade her there. Then we won't have the masons in control

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, that would be amazing if they do the work and we can keep Aldus off that wagon

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, dang. I hope that doesn't scare off hellbrooks and datisi

[VP Baltar]

I don't think we will need to bus tomorrow. I'll go 1v1 with someone

[VP Baltar]

Or I could claim an inno on aldus

[VP Baltar]

Oh shit, we did it boys!!!!

[VP Baltar]

I've never landed a flawless scum victory, and I've never wanted something so bad

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, from a town perspective, better her than you

[VP Baltar]

honestly thinking maybe VPB should claim a guilty on me or something lol

Part of me feels like a result on you is the WIFOM we need to push this over the line. I'm not sure if I can survive tomorrow. It would make sense for both of you to come out after me probably.

We should probably game out both an inno and guilty on Aldus to see what that looks like

[VP Baltar]

We should probably game out both an inno and guilty on Aldus to see what that looks like

What do you mean by "game out"?

I think we should think through what kind of support each action would have, and what possible outcomes would be.

For instance, if I claim a guilty on you, one of us is getting flipped for sure. So we'd have to go to a Day 5 before a potential win is possible

[VP Baltar]

OK, so here is how I am thinking about things:

If I claim guilty on Aldus...

PROS:
Good distancing
Chance to clear Aldus to the finish if I get yeeted
Definitely distracts from NPOM
Credible investigation target for VP

CONS:
Almost guarantees a scum yeet tomorrow.
Town could see through WIFOM if they flip VP and then Flip Aldus the next day

If I claim innocent on Aldus...

PROS:
Potential distancing
Chance to direct attention away from Aldus in lylo
Credible investigation target for VP

CONS:
Creates link between Aldus and VP if either one flips, guaranteeing two scum flips.
Andres in particular may be triggered by this outcome and come after us.

If I claim a guilty on a town player...

PROS:
If the right player is selected, could force the final miselimination
Fewer connections between VP and other scum

CONS:
Will need to explain why not investigate Aldus
VP will have to go to war with fake guilty player
If VP gets flipped, that person will be cleared town basically.

[VP Baltar]

What other pros and cons am I missing? If I claim a guilty on a townie, who should it be? My instinct is andres because he will go ballistic. Koba would also likely be very mad.

[VP Baltar]

I'm also going to try to think about which scenarios surviving town players are most likely to support.

I guess I could also claim a guilty on NPOM if needed, if our goal was to put Aldus in future lylo. My gut says NPOM has a better chance to survive, but eliminating Datisi could lessen the overall resistance to yeeting NPOM.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, we have a full day still. We can take more time if needed. Just feels to me like there is a case on testa and a gut on aldus. I'll be dead tomorrow or I'd offer to just cop Aldus and sort it. Wish we had a doc

didn't you basically say that you were going to investigate me? like I have no idea how you'd sell it tomorrow if you were like "actually I investigated someone else"

For sure, but I'm sure I could think of something if I needed to. Obviously this town has been willing to buy this bridge I'm selling.

I think I can get away with one day of "the scum kept me alive as a miselim", but a second day would be hard don't you think? Especially if I claimed a guilty on you. They'd have to be super suspicious if I survived after that, right?

[VP Baltar]

also: since it's lylo for the rest of the game, you can always sell the idea that you're alive because scum want you miselim'd

The perpetual LyLo is true though. That might be a sales pitch...

[VP Baltar]

Yeah I dunno how you explain being alive on Day 5, that's like the one flaw in the plan (guilty on me then guilty on koba) imo

it's just every other plan seems worse

Yeah, not wrong. The other plans may be more problematic long term.

What if I claimed I was roleblocked? Could speculate on some type of scum Joat

[VP Baltar]

If they're Joat, they could have used some other ability n2

[VP Baltar]

How about just claiming a guilty on koba.

What would be my reasoning for choosing Koba over Aldus?

[VP Baltar]

(not a direct response to the above) if you claim a guilty on koba, you can make a good argument that koba-scum would rather have a 1v1 with VPB than icon or andres, both of whom have racked up a fair amount of towncred by now

This is true. Plus Koba's play on the Tess wagon was bad. I can claim I investigated her because after the flip, her play on Tess looked the worst. Aldus was excusable because if he is town, he was trying to save his own life.

I'm going to have to mea culpa because I pushed Tess hard, but whatevs..

[VP Baltar]

Yes! Thank you.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, a false guilty forces them to pick between me and Koba. All we need is a single vote in our favor and we can just Auto yeet.

[VP Baltar]

Andres will vote me probably. No clue on Ico. We may be able to get hellbrooks to vote for Koba? Hellbrooks likes me so far.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I think you'd want to vote toward me.

We should figure out what is the best timezone for us to coordinate our votes too. I tend to be online in the mornings and afternoons PST

[VP Baltar]

It's definitely the riskier plan.

[VP Baltar]

So let's say worst case scenario if I claim a guilty on Koba is that:

Andres, Koba, Ico all turn on VP.

It will come down to hellbrooks. Plus you guys won't have much room to bus me.

Although, if Aldus comes out to bus me hard, Andres might avoid a VP wagon?

[VP Baltar]

You might be right. Aldus, you think we should just go for the Koba kill?

[VP Baltar]

Here we go boys

[VP Baltar]

I know you guys can't be around together until this afternoon, so feel freeo wait on posting until you can both come in and quick hammer. Hopefully I can pick up a town vote by then, ideally before Koba loses their shit on me

[VP Baltar]

NPOM, it's going to be really important that you don't vote Koba before a town player does. Really you should wait until town does, and you and Aldus are both around to quick hammer. We can't risk scaring town off koba

[VP Baltar]

Of course not

Haha, you're a wild man! Just checking

[VP Baltar]

How you doing Aldus? I know I took the more risky route. Just figured I couldn't legit live another day.

It may come down to NPOM either way. This gives him a chance to distance me.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, the beauty of NPOM is he can totally flip flop with no consequences. I'm trying to win hellbrooks over here too without being too pushy

[VP Baltar]

Haha, Andres is a crazy mfer

[VP Baltar]

I guess we will expect Ico to vote overnight since they are in a different timezone. Hopefully you both have a surprise waiting for morning

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, maybe ICO will come through near the end of that. I doubt hellbrooks will be first to vote

[VP Baltar]

Timezones!

[VP Baltar]

This is insanity. I have written and deleted so many posts!

[VP Baltar]

I have no idea what Ico is gonna do. This is so annoying

[VP Baltar]

Where is hellbrooks when you need her!

[VP Baltar]

Also, does Andres ever sleep? Dude has been arguing since like 5 am this morning

[VP Baltar]

Maybe. Ico is being weird. I think they believe maybe you and Koba are scum?

[VP Baltar]

Here we go!

[VP Baltar]

Ok, I actually am going to sleep now. Hopefully Ico come around. Good luck guys!

[VP Baltar]

This game. NPOM is getting yeeted today now

[VP Baltar]

I'm amazed town can play this badly and still manage to probably win this

[VP Baltar]

Koba speed hammering maybe helps us.

I have to claim a result in you tomorrow

[VP Baltar]

By in you, I mean between you and Andres.

[VP Baltar]

I think I just have to bus you tomorrow, Aldus. Claim a guilty on you.

Xylo is then koba-hellbrooks-VP

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, that's kind of rough honestly

[VP Baltar]

Ugh, I didn't notice that. Welp I'm fucked. So much for this game

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, agreed. New plan is kill Ico tonight. Bus the fuck out of me tomorrow. You try to win hellbrooks over in 3p.

[VP Baltar]

There is a decent amount of you being skeptical of me you can point to. You can also claim me and Andres were in scum theater yesterday because we kept rehashing the same points. He's going to point to not wanting to yeet Koba, but you can probably say that was part of the theater.

I did lots of buddying with Andres throughout the game

[VP Baltar]

Thanks for the tips, here's hoping for the best.

VP Baltar kills Iconeum

Now the question is whether I claim a guilty on you or Andres. Which situation is going to give the best wifom for you?

Or I can claim I investigated Ico to basically kill any info and further push my yeet

[VP Baltar]

mod, why did you reveal the scum PM but not town PMs?

[VP Baltar]

Now the question is whether I claim a guilty on you or Andres. Which situation is going to give the best wifom for you?

I'm not sure. The problem is that it's going to be pretty obvious you're trying to WIFOM the town either way.

If you were scum with Andres, what would you do?

My instinct says I would claim a guilty on him, but it is dangerous either way. I would want to make it seem too obvious to be true.

The safe route is to claim a shit result like inno on Ico and just eat the elimination, but that also may not give you adequate cover in Xylo.

Hellbrooks seems friendlier with Andres than you, right? She is definitely indecisive at times though and can be wifomed.

Koba is more of a wild card, what about taking them to Xylo?

[VP Baltar]

I'll consider taking Koba, it depends on what they say tomorrow.

Also jeez the mod posting in thread that all flips now include role PMs just feels like it further confirms you're scum lol

Lol here is the big red sign pointing to VP.



*Curb your Enthusiasm theme plays*

[VP Baltar]

pretty sure koba thinks i'm scummier than andres though

I'll take my cues from you tomorrow on what feels most beneficial as far as the WIFOM.

[VP Baltar]

So I'm thinking claim the guilty on Andres. That way people think "he wouldn't claim two fake guilties"

Idk, what do you think?

[VP Baltar]

I could also claim I just forgot about this game assuming I'd be dead tomorrow and forgot to file a result. Might speed my yeet.

[VP Baltar]

Or I could act indignant that no one wants to yeet Koba and I can refuse to reveal my result until twilight after we off koba.

[VP Baltar]

Bro! We need to be crazy here!

[VP Baltar]

Anyway, I don’t think you’ll find any case in favor of either me or Aldus convincing purely from where we voted for NPOM. Let’s admit it - NPOM was the Scummiest player in the game. But Aldus’ vote and push for Testa for example, or hammer on Janko, should make you a little more cautious. And yeah I screwed up on Bob for sure. But then why did the players you now know are Scum built the same wagon that they built on Testa on me?

You should hammer him over stuff like this. He was going on and on about how town he was for voting NPOM first and now he is like "oh jk, it's all null"

Selective facts to make him seem more town.

[VP Baltar]

I'm very annoyed they want to drag this out for an eternity. Just vote me out and get on to the final day.

[VP Baltar]

Also, I kind of checked out yesterday, but I'll keep a closer look today in case they actually do vote andres

[VP Baltar]

Dear God please let them eat each other!

You can still win this over Aldus! I shall stay out of it unless you think of some good wifom I should kick up

[VP Baltar]

There was a moment where Koba was going to vote andres. It has now past and fate is a fickle mistress

[VP Baltar]

I should just hammer you so we can end this game sometime this century

[VP Baltar]

Now we play the waiting game....

...the waiting game sucks! Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippo!

[VP Baltar]

mod: please concede this game on my behalf. We don't need to waste time with a NK when we already know the outcome of the game