Mini Normal 2157 | Mason PT

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OH SHIT HELLO

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i don't even have my role PM yet i've just been refreshing the PT section of the site

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hi billy!!! hi hellbooks!!!!

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aaaaaaaaa hype hype hype hype this is gonna be great!! i need to think of crumbs!!!

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there's the role PM

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how do y'all like to play mason? i generally prefer to have some super obscure but ironclad crumb, and then distance from one another to make mason-partner-hunting as difficult as possible once one of us claims/eats a nightkill

also (if it weren't already obvious) i tend to post a metric crapton in PTs, so if i get too noisy just tell me to shut up mkay? mkay.

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i crumbed out of fear of getting cc'ed if one of us got killed before claiming (tho two games so far, that hasn't happened yet), and i'd argue there's even *more* need to crumb when there's three of us, because existence of one mason implies a second one, but 2 masons don't necessarily imply a third one... i'll think of something.

who knew this day would come, billy. i am so looking forward to this game.

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i started typing up arguments how "crumbing first thing in day one" is less likely to be argued as false/cc'ed, but honestly i'm probably being overly paranoid.

pedit: i'm thinking about setup specc. i think this would be ~balanced against 3 goons, but there's probably some more funky stuff going on. pt cop/traffic analyst on either side maybe?

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oh yeah, if you ever get a guilty on someone, one of me or hellbooks is gonna claim it, for obvious reasons

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ok, i got a crumb idea, lemme know if y'all are fine with this:

my first post is gonna say:

hi all. this is my first game on the forum. [rvs vote]

which is a reference to this:

Hi all. This is my first game on the forum.

my second post will start with:

well i'm glad to see you all are having a good time.

which is a reference to:

well I'm glad to see you all are having a good Time....

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i dunno, this mason crumb seems a bit more impenetrable tbh :p

I'm not saying that yet. And it was this:

Spoiler:

Pretty much how I start every one of my

m

eetups.

Nope, I was replaced by Ducky! But him and I had similar reads, so I don't think in the end it ended up mattering

a

nyway

p-p-p-pagetop

s

teal

We met back in '63.
And are we really that

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bvious? :3

You mean why I got force-replaced, or why I replaced in in the first place?

I saw *stuff* that I wasn't supposed to see because of a bug. And I replaced in because there were a few people I wanted to play with, plus I kinda wanted to try to save the game after it got

n

asty.

Why are you so eager to vote someone who's not even had a chance to post so far?

Is the reason you single out Map because his vot put them at L-2? Because GBJ was also voted (before posting) by Salad and

K

anna.

They both have only two posts each. What makes you say they're less scummy

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lready?

Vote:

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orwegian

Shame that you rolled scum,

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orbot :<

Your vote and reasoning strike me as opportunistic.

Btw, I actually

had

been loosely following a couple of games you happened to play in as they were happening. Unfortunately I don't remember much about your play at

a

ll.

the "veteran pretending to be a newbie" joke is not that rare. plus it's as good intro to RVS as any.

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:D

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crumbs deployed. nobody suspects a thing.

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also i've started to throw down some very obscure tracker crumbs, so if you ever get a guilty or something else we need to claim, i'd love to claim it (never claimed a guilty before, and it sounds fun)

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hellbooks, you were also in the game that baltar is describing, correct? what do you think of npom?

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"a possibly new player being online while the game is going but not making a single post is scum indicative" - true or false?

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i have been... exposed

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the dragon is not townreading me, this is a sad day.

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hot takes:
- npom/icon are tvt
- at least one scum in baltar/andres

discuss

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like.... i want to scumread dragon... which makes me think he's town...

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am i unreasonably tunnelling on andres

i hate that post

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his post, my posts are pure gold, why would i hate them

didn't he say he's played like 100 games on some other forum?

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Oh and for those that will ask about my experience or where I come from - I typically play on a small rather newish forum called Mafia451. I think I’ve played north of 100 games there

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do you think he's suspicious? I've lowkey lost interest and wanna push around some of the lower posters, but i can keep arguing there if needed

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"datisi, what do you think of billy?"

: ) : ) : )

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billy is very town yes : ) why do you ask : )

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you have a tone that reads natually townie to me

so i'm lowkey glad we're masons together lmao

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are you fucking kidding me...

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damn i feel like i need to shut the fuck up for a bit but i'm just kinda happy i'm townreading ico and that we're jamming together

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am i tunnelled in my town!ico read

please tell me i'm not

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to koba replacing in. i knew the game was gonna turn into a shitfest.

because i'd like to, you know, have correct reads? win the game and all that?

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what do you think about them?

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andres is back on iconeum. i don't wanna go "zero-level opportunism", but...

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haha they think i'm confirmed town

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oops wrong PT

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me: ok i will not make it obvious that billie and bellhooks are my mason buddies ! ! !

me whenever someone looks in their general direction:

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mafia is a difficult game...

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i do not know what to think about snowblaze

instinct is telling me kill anyway because she has claimed

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janko is not present, that is giving me bad vibes

also i'm slowly getting paranoid of beorgegailey

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i think... janko was doing the thing... "this townie is playing anti-town. i shall push for their execution !"

squad what do yall think

why do i have no strong townreads

what is this game

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can you two PLAY so i can SHEEP YOU becuase i am TOO STUPID to THINK for MYSELF ! ! !

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i dunno, i never was scumreading npom actually, like he gives me that big chaotic townie vibe, idk. maybe i'm just tunnelled on my janko scumread.

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is it just me or is janko's reasoing for like any of his reads complete made up bullshit

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you caught up? still think npom's scum?

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i don't think he's scum still, but honestly at this point i'm willing to sheep you if you're convinced (because apparently janko isn't happening either...)

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you are making me be responsible for my own actions... i don't like that...

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i will love you both to moon and back if you help me kill janko

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i was thinking rope

i realize us voting similarly is gonna be giving off big associates later but... i just wish hellbooks unvotes...

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at this point i'm going all in on town!bob. if he flips, either he's green (which i don't think ups my nk equity) or he's red (which lowers it a lot)

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that koba soft is 100% fake (they did that in a newbie i was modding) but i'm not gonna say that because koba eating the nightkill would be like Christmas rn

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i think, if there *are* more town PRs, i think there's a p decent chance ico is it. god, this game is giving me so many flashbacks to 2119...

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i think i finally realized just what is bugging me so much about andres. he really really reminds me of one scum from that game. it's like... his posts are nicely formatted... he's giving reads that seem to have genuine thoughts behind them... but he just seems a tiny bit too stubborn about them... tiny bit, at the same time, somewhat dumbtelling in some subtle ways while still sticking to his reads a littttle bit more than he should...

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koba is a... player.

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the reason why i think npom is town is because this erratic behaviour, this convoluted and nonsensical reasoning, this little self-awareness and care for your appearance comes from town much much more than scum

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and because i think janko is scum and he was obviously posturing in order to jump on the npom wagon later but you know

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while i get that you think npom is scum, pls keep in mind that deflating janko's wagon increases the odds bob gets pushed through, so idk keep an eye out on that pls

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in a vacuum? not as much. i think he's being vaguely townie, i'd be protesting his execution, but there are townier players. but seeing janko's dance around him? oh no no. sorry, i know i shouldn't be doing preflip associates, but i'm just so tunnelled on janko because he feels like obvious scum to me and i'm not sure i'm able to separate reads until he's dead and the moderator proves me wrong.

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gonna discuss it after we see the flip (also is past 3am and i wanna reread a bit of the game before making decisions)

also janko claiming vt is slightly making me panicky

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appreciate it <3

do you think janko is scum tho? bc i don't think he's scum with bob so idk

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ye i saw oh well

time to see how shit i am at this game

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not much? idk? not sure? it is like 4:30am don't make me Think

at some point i'll review game and give thoughts and shit but like not Now

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you think andres is scummy too?

do not worry about it

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ok so it was not my imagination...

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uuuuuuuuuuuugh

are you kidding me...

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my first thought is tracking andres but i lost my call priviledges probably

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GeorgeBailey might be scum. very sad.

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i'll review the game later today, maybe read some ISOs and whatever. also point out the tracker crumbs i dropped in case i die. seeing that flip, i think it's become less likely, but...

level-zero-thinking says you track off-wagon. i'm not sure bob is scum, and if the wagons were tvt, scum was probably ~equally pushing both. need to relook at the VCs though.

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i need to grab a few links (and get myself coffee), give me ~15.

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Spoiler: my needlesly complicated tracker crumb that at this point i'm not even 100% sure why i made it

some of my posts in this game:

i think you’re town this game so far btw

[...] talk to me about baltar and andres? where's your head at on those 2 slots.

i wonder if snowblaze and jankofan are scum together

i genuinely can't tell if you're joking rn

[...] i may very well be an idiot but i think the dragon is town[...]

[...] go on

[...] andres do you buy this?

[...] okay i'll be back a bit later talk amongst yourselves

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some of mena's posts in Open 781: JK9++

[...] I think you’re town this game so far btw

[...] Talk to me about lilith and Datisi? Where's your head at on those 2 slots.

I wonder if skitter and firebringer are scum together

I genuinely can't tell if you're joking rn

I may very well be an idiot but I think the monkey is town

[...] Go on

Datisi do you buy this?

Okay I’ll be back a bit later talk amongst yourselves

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mena's role in JK9++:

09. Menalque - killed night 4 -

Town Tracker

mena's way of crumbing his role:

So I took quotes from when people where trackers (or a backup tracker) in other games, then repeated those lines verbatim here

before you ask, yes. yes i do realize this is 99% not gonna be needed. yes, before the game i went through like half of mena's ISO from that game (which is like 1100 posts!!) to grab about ~35 quotes that are vague enough to be used here but not too vague as to be too generic. and then try to use those quotes when able. yes i did realize at some point i'm probably wasting my time. oh well.

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bob3141 (5): VP Baltar, hellbooks, Andresvmb, jankofan, NoPowerOverMe
jankofan (7): Datisi, bob3141, Testarossa, Iconeum, Billy Pilgrim, GeorgeBailey, Alduskkel
NoPowerOverMe (1): DkKoba

so, removing us and dead people, we're left with:

on wagon: bob, testa, icon, george, aldus
off wagon: baltar, andres, npom, koba

if i'm right on "bob likely town" and "an off-wagon scum will be doing the kill because deepwolf and whatnot", we have 4 possible target names. however, i might not be right on that.

off memory, i think my reads are like:
{icon}
{bob, testa, npom, koba}
-null-
{george, aldus, baltar}
{andres}

the george/aldus/baltar tier is like the most uncertain one.
@hellbooks, can you weigh in on baltar pls
@billy, i tried isoing you yesterday, but i'm not sure i found the case against npom. can you tl;dr me on it?

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if bob is town, i think the janko wagon was pretty town!motivated, which makes me think scum would jump on late. aldus was scumreading janko earlier so dunno. georgebailey could be scum yeah.

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if i am right on my reads so far, i could see something like andres/george/baltar but like ehhhhhhhhhh when am i right on my reads

billy, you were townreading bob, yeah? what's your thought on him now?

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also, just wanna make sure i say this. i think i've seen george say somewhere that if he were scum against me, i'd be a quick fear kill. i know, logical fallacy, affirming the consequent, etc, but if i do die tonight, look into him tomorrow. k thx.

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i think hellbooks has Experience with baltar, that's why i want her to weigh in. baltar is a potential deepwolf in my book, but i don't have much solid to back it up.

i'm not sure scum!koba will be doing the kill after softing PR and claiming vt (though i missed that part)

/shrug, i don't necessarily see that as scum!indicative, i dunno. i'll give his iso a read at *some* point.

tinfoil: if baltar!scum, npom is town, that first bit in day one could've been white knighting. but it assumes baltar scum and we've seen how assumptions go

also i don't exactly know how to read koba, they're just like, loud and annoying.

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i figured billy has to send that by PM, but considering we're informed of each other's roles and alignments, it would make sense if we can input it for each other the same way mafia can.

billy tracks andres

this is just a placeholder because i'm paranoid about deadlines. i would heavily disrecommend tracking koba, but the final decision's up to blly. i still really hope hellbooks tells us what she thinks about baltar.

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if we're talking "bigger deepwolf therefore more likely to do the kill", i think scum!baltar is more likely to be doing the kill than scum!andres. however, that assumes both of them *are* scum. which is why i really want hellbooks to weigh in lmao, i know she's going to be honest with us and she put baltar in her town vanguard.

but also my day one reads are often trash etc etc. up to me, i'd also be fine tracking baltar.

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BAILEY DIED?

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@mod, since we can input the night actions for eachother, could we also get the tracker results posted in here?

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BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

BILLY YOU ARE A FUCKING BRILLIANT MOTHERFUCKER I LOVE YOU

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I WILL BE CLAIMING THIS SHIT MOTHERFUCKERS AAAAAAAAA

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my heart is literally racing right now

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i think i'm gonna slightly slowroll this a bit, then claim some bullshit like gunsmith or smt to try to get him to fakeclaim

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oooh, loyal neighborizer? one shot?

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if i can get him to fakeclaim ascetic it's gonna be hilarious

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ok i've calmed down, sorry about that. i wanna go the route of "see where the discussion goes for a bit, fakeclaim a guilty, realclaim a guilty." then die a hero.

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i don't think anyone's gonna have the guts to counterclaim one of you as mason. and even if they do, the third mason is gonna jump out. i think save the crumbs so the third mason can confirm themself.

i think ico can maybe be made out to look like a mason buddy of mine with how hard i was defending him on day one. i hate to be setting up dragon to eat a nightkill, but...

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we chill with me fakeclaiming something first? 1-shot loyal neighborizer sounds interesting to me.

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also, how ~slow~ do we wanna play this? i've never had a guilty before lmao

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the only things that he can claim that are answers to loyal-neighborizer!me failing to neighborize me:
(1) he's ascetic or a commuter (we know this is false)
(2) he was rolestopped (we know this is false)
(3) i am rolelocked (we don't know if this is false or not, but it's probably a lie)
(4) he calls me lying scum.

i'd be hoping for (1) or (2). regardless of his answer, i'm gonna trueclaim tracker soon enough after, but if (1) or (2) happens, then he's pretty cemented as scum.

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i mean, "trueclaim" tracker. i forgot for a second.

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a miller is still town-aligned, it doesn't have an effect on loyal/disloyal modifiers. but if he wanna claim miller, all the better.

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think early day one. ico attacked npom, baltar attacked ico. what do you think is more likely, chainsaw or white knighting?

though the scum pool *is* getting narrower and narrower...

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- alive peeps:

Testarossa
DkKoba

Datisi

Alduskkel
bob3141
Iconeum

VP Baltar

Andresvmb
NoPowerOverMe

hellbooks

Billy Pilgrim

strict PoE is 2 of {testa, koba, aldus, bob, icon, andres, npom}
- i still wanna townread ico. i don't think bob/baltar is s/s. i kinda doubt baltar would jump in to chainsaw his buddy on like page 5.

{testa, koba, aldus, andres}
vaguely in that order of towniness?
was i right on andres on day one...

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gotcha. i'll just be around to make sure a quick wagon doesn't spring up on bob. i'm lowkey afraid of quick lynches.

it's deifinitely possible scum has some sorta watcher or voyeur. however, if they saw you visit baltar last night, there isn't really anything we can do about it. just close our eyes and hope that's not the case.

pedit: i doubt it will, claiming i'm a mason will be the last line of defense if literally everything goes wrong.

if you'd like, i can straighforward just claim tracker. or maybe better yet, claim a vague "guilty" and make him guess what investigative roles we are.

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in case my "claim loyal neighborizer then tracker" gambit backfires and i need to confirm myself to be a mason, i'm going to claim to be masons with you.

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i don't think that's clearing for andres. scum does sometimes townread each other.

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in case my "claim loyal neighborizer then tracker" gambit backfires and i need to confirm myself to be a mason, i'm going to claim to be masons with you.

But that only happens if when she owns the initial gambit, that people start to trust Baltar over her.

which i kinda doubt, because i have a strong tracker crumb + you two will obviously vote with me, but you never know.

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i think the most important part is figuring out if bob/baltar can be s/s. if not, bob has amazing reads which i'd be more than happy to take inspiration from.

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i think i'm gonna be like "hey baltar, can we talk about the bob wagon for a sec" and when he says "sure" i'mma slam the guilty on him so he doesn't have time to scramble for a fakeclaim. but patience. patience. we need to see how the threads is breathing first.

aaaaaaaaa i haven't been in a 1v1 in a LONG time, this is exciting!

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agh, i don't know. i've definitely seen scum hard townread their partners (shit i've been there myself, it catches town by surprise)

who do you think are viable partners then? aldu/testa/koba? like is anyone else even left?

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i'm trying to tie myself to ico as best as i can. you two can "subtly" hint tomorrow "no we probably shouldn't be pushing ico".

i am not carrying anyone, i am using my life to eat a bullet for our PR because that's all i'm good for :')

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i just remembered the early "townread but could be fooling me" read from andres. at first i thought that was an attempt to pocket then push baltar, but... ugh, later on in his iso he has baltar as town. gonna be interesting to see how the game turns upside down.

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i'm reskimming baltar's iso. the npom townreading him the suddenly flipping onto scumreading him... i didn't notice any interactions with aldus. +partner?

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"wait what the fuck do you mean he wasn't a PR????"

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if you get second guessing and the crippling self-doubt, i get self-deprecating jokes.

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i know, i know, definitely, we need some spicy associates to work with tonight. my only worry is a quicklynch on bob before i get a chance to claim it, but how often do those happen anyway amirite...

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it is taking... so much of my self control... not to scream...

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i hear ya. i've usually always scumread players like that before falling flat on my ass a couple of times.

i am now for ??? reason getting paranoid feels on ico. because no town!game of mine would be complete without them...

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IT IS TAKING... ALL MY WILLPOWER...

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at this point i'mma just shitpost in the main thread as a vent

where tf are testa and aldus

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i'll flirt with him a bit first to try to get him to spill some beans. no promises though.

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at this rate, i'mma have to go to bed in some 2-3 hours.

also reading that spat with NPOM, i can sense your frustration lol

pedit: wow cool.

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well if i claim 1-shot loyal neighborizer, and he's a town PR who just so happened to visit georgebailey on n1, then he's gonna claim it. doubt it, though.

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but yeah, if both me and baltar are town, this is gonna be a shitshow.

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oh god baltar is online aaaaaaaaaa

aldus hasn't posted yet

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fuck it lets go

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are you fuckin gkidd ing aldus comes NOW?

oh well

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oh this ain't good.

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oh my fucking god are you seriously shitting me right now.

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THIS ISN'T FUCKING HAPPENING MY GOD

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I AM NOT CRYING IT IS YOU THAT IS CRYING

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A FUCKING PT COP MAKES PERFECT SENSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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the issue is if he tries to investigate one of you and i get killed instead of him... ok hope not hope fUCKING NOT

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koba says weird shit. i don't know how to read him.

man, when you were like "lol imagine if we tracked a cop to bailey" i was like naahhhhhhhh what are the odds of that

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read them*, sorry.

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Fine.

I'm a PT cop. I investigated George Bailey last night. Got no result because he died. Was trying to root out the scum who was sitting in the background.

a note for post-game: i literally felt my soul leave my body when i read this.

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occam's says he's town. though i'd reckon there's no more room for PRs left.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81560

this game had a somewhat similar setup.

1. Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
   
   
2. Mafia 1-Shot Ninja
   
   
3. Mafia Night 3+ Encryptor
   
   
4. Town Complex Announcing PT Cop
   
   
5. Town Mason Mailman
   
   
6. Town Mason Encryptor
   
   
7. Town Mason
   
   
8. Vanilla Townie
   
   
9. Vanilla Townie
   
   
10. Vanilla Townie
    
    
11. Vanilla Townie
    
    
12. Vanilla Townie
    
    
13. Vanilla Townie

ungated PT cop + 3 masons + one of the masons being a tracker... i can see that. scum probably has a PR or two for counterplay and/or finding masons, maybe they have a traitor (fake inno on the PT cop), idk. i know schadd makes ~funky~ setups. anyway i don't think baltar is scum. just, the way he was going around claiming, even before he dropped the PT cop claim, i was feeling that he's telling the truth (but unfortunately it was way too late to back down hahA)

scum having a PT cop is possible. but that would mean that a) baltar did the factional NK, b) took the claim from one of his scumbuddies.

now, i think it's gonna be obvious in time if he's scum, and i'm betting on no.

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oh yeah, important shit we need to discuss:

baltar can be used as a cop here, if i can leash him. do you think it's a good idea for me to ~hint~ at me being a mason to get him to agree to be leashed to (1) make sure baltar doesn't get a false guilty on one of you and (2) to try to get the nightkill onto me? a town PT cop is worth more than a town mason right now.

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is ico town?

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is ico town?

There a reason youre doubting it?

if my reads seem to be ass backwards, can't help but wonder. also the lowkey "hey datisi might have actually tracked the scumkill" thing is making we think he amy have seen a tvt fight he can cash in... but it's just paranoia speaking. idk.

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oh yeah, another thing worrying me is that in a lot of people's PoEs (ico, koba) you two appear as scum. which is an issue, because we know that's wrong...

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man i am having a blast going "well you see the reason i tracked baltar is..."

like i just really fucking hope i die before the masonry is outed so that everyone and their mother has a stroke when i flip town mason

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do you agree with the following: "if i keep townreading icon in-thread, it will make him feel safe, and if he's scum, he's likely to be doing the factional nightkill"?

if yes, i think there's merit in tracking him tonight. i don't think we're getting an ico flip today *ever*, so might not be much point in pushing it. but i don't scumread him otherwise it's just a couple of things pinging me and sigh... i don't know.

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Testarossa
DkKoba
Datisi
Alduskkel
bob3141
Iconeum
VP Baltar
Andresvmb
NoPowerOverMe
hellbooks
Billy Pilgrim

{datisi, billy, hellbooks} - masons.
{vp baltar} - pt cop. very likely town. very likely to get murdered. sorry.

sorting in {testa, koba, aldus, bob, icon, andres, npom}. there's 3 scum in there. how. who.

i don't think testa is scum?? i don't know???

like at some point i'm gonna start worrying about the fact that people don't seem to want to hang npom even tho his takes are batshit insane. are they saving him for later...? is he Just Scum? like his takes seem to insane to be scum. maybe i should look at his scum games. idk.

would something like icon/aldus/andres make sense????? like lol icon saying he's townreading both of those... i don't know. i still feel like flipping bob is gonna be a complete fucking disaster.

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like at some point i'm gonna start worrying about the fact that people don't seem to want to hang npom even tho his takes are batshit insane.

are they saving him for later...?

is he Just Scum? like his takes seem to insane to be scum. maybe i should look at his scum games. idk.

this could indicate aldus!scum no? he said bob town npom scum right...

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i hate the fact that i'm lowkey hoping to sheep bob on his reads if he flips green but his read on ico is somewhat based on me townreading ico

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but i don't want ico to be scum i don't know aaaAAAAAAAA

maybe i *am* dumb and bob is Just Scum?

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i still think he flips town because i don't think this cursed game is gonna be nice to us, but i have no intention of trying to stop it because InFo

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welp, guess i'm not going to sleep yet.

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...
did i fucking fall for a fake hammer that npom legit hammered

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my gut was right and i hate it

i don't know, i'll think about it.

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sorting in {testa, koba, aldus,

bob

, icon, andres, npom}. there's 3 scum in there.
aldus/npom aren't scum together i think

god where is titus when you need her

og snow & testa wagons (stolen from testa):
Snow: GB, Baltar, Datisi, Ico, hellbooks, Koba
Testa: Koba, Datisi, Aldus, Andres, NPOM, janko

day 1 execute:
bob3141 (5): VP Baltar, hellbooks, Andresvmb, jankofan, NoPowerOverMe
jankofan (7): Datisi, bob3141, Testarossa, Iconeum, Billy Pilgrim, GeorgeBailey, Alduskkel
NoPowerOverMe (1): DkKoba

day 2 execute:
bob3141 (6): Andresvmb, VP Baltar, hellbooks, Iconeum, DkKoba, NoPowerOverMe
NoPowerOverMe (2): Billy Pilgrim, Alduskkel
Alduskkel (1): bob3141
Not Voting (2): Testarossa, Datisi

the only person on both exe wagons is ico no?
(baltar, hellbooks, andres, npom) - on both eod bob wagons. i think andres is by far the most likely scum there.

testa/npow/billy/hellbooks

town power goes into these names imo

ico said that
and like i highly suspect that to be 4 town names

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having bad reads doesn't make you scum, that much i know well myself... but...

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billy tracks iconeum

semi placeholder. if we wanna try to snipe the deepwolf this is perhaps the best option - out of our current PoE i think i've never doubted icon, which should in theory make him more likely to do the kill (as scum is gonna be going by my reads). if icon isn't scum however it's a waste. ugh i'll keep thinking about it.

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okay i *did say* i was gonna think about this but i slept like 1.7 hours in the last god knows how many and my brain is currently no

there's like 6 hours until deadline? if you feel like changing the target, feel free to, i think i'm gonna be crashing soon because i am barely capable of coherent thought rn

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why does this always happen why does this ALWAYS HAPPEN

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@hellbooks, if we end up massclaiming, i think you should claim VT at first. if scum doesn't expect there to be 3 masons, they might fakeclaim a PR.

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my god, this game.

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am i insane for thinking andres/aldus can be s/s

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hellbooks you're on the verge of slipping out of my townpool

i don't know. i think he's town again but like paranoia be running high you feel

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if ico is town then there's 3 scum in aldus/andres/koba/testa/npom and like w h o

also koba is apparently not a VT and i think that means there's scum in koba/baltar which is gonna be Problematic but better resolved today then

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Let's not be OMGUSy or anything.

Dude, wtf. You weren't voting for Dats. You voted for hellbooks. Wtf do you even mean?

I've found by stopping trying to make logical sense of anything he says and only focus on PoE with NPOM, my quality of life has significantly improved.

Yeah, the more I try to figure out how NPOM's play makes any sense as any alignment the more I confuse myself.

But, if you look at NPOM's wagon history + the PoE + maybe NPOM is shading Dats/VPB because he doesn't want either of them confirmed, then I think "NPOM scum, Bob town" makes sense.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

i know i keep repeating the same shit over and over but like when i read this post my thought was "ok bob is flipping town and so is npom and aldus is Aligning that" and like uhhhhhhh am i insane in thinking that?
like idk if aldus/npom team makes this post

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i recently modded a game with scum!aldus and he did Exactly That so like

that's why i could maybe see an aldus/testa team? but like almost everyone elive is some sorta weird mixture of ??? in my head and that's annoying :/

pedit: shhh if we fuck up today baltar prob dies tonight and we BOTH get to be conftown in 7p lylo which is gonna be GREAT

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sorry i am NOT the best at FOLLOWING EVERYTHING

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[moonlogic] maybe it's testa/aldus and she saw that people wanna kill in andres/aldus and that there's a wagon on andres and she's trying to stay on the good side of a townflip [/moonlogic]

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also i'm lowkey of thought that if koba claims even a semi-strong PR or something they're getting the yeet

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i dunno, what is there to talk about? i still wanna flip aldus.

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wish i could have certainty in like any flip right now. but i just don't. :/

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if the day's flip greens, we're in charge of picking the execution tomorrow. i am dreadful.

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hng, i kinda didn't notice... not sure i do, though. i saw him make a post how he's coming round to voting her, no? could've been positioning.

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tell me about it

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do you wanna vote testa over aldus?

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i wanna take a backseat but i also don't wanna let the town down by ~not doing anything~

lemme look at VCs again, but uhh.... can you give me like, how % likely do you think each of the Big Six is likely to flip scum?

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Snow

:

GB

,

Baltar

,

Datisi

, Ico,

hellbooks

, Koba
Testa: Koba,

Datisi

, Aldus, Andres, NPOM,

janko

bob

:

Baltar

,

hellbooks

, Andres,

janko

, NPOM, (Koba)

janko

:

Datisi

,

bob

, Testa, Ico,

Billy

,

GB

, Aldus

bob3141

(6): Andresvmb,

VP Baltar

,

hellbooks

, Iconeum, DkKoba, NoPowerOverMe

forgot to color in janko because i'm stupid anyway

hmmm
you think it's likely scum jumped on scum!testa here?

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now, i feel kinda dirty making that read, because in a game shortly before this one, where i was scum, we had a situation of a town wagon being voted by nothing but town, and a scum wagon with bussing involved... so either scum!testa and her partners planned long-term VCA-fucking, or scum was building a town-counterwagon to town!snowblaze...

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there are tears in my eyes. up to reader's interpretation whether literal or metaphorical ones.