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whats up everyone? I've played mason with Micc twice and I didn't crumb either time. Besides, now that there's three of us there is less need to crumb. I pretty much avoid trying to scunread them, but that's the only way I play special.
In post 9, Datisi wrote:i crumbed out of fear of getting cc'ed if one of us got killed before claiming (tho two games so far, that hasn't happened yet), and i'd argue there's even *more* need to crumb when there's three of us, because existence of one mason implies a second one, but 2 masons don't necessarily imply a third one... i'll think of something.
who knew this day would come, billy. i am so looking forward to this game.
To me this implies a need to crumb the day before GYLO. Not before then.
Yeah that forum looks like much shorter deadline and theres not role madness but fakeclaiming would be more prominent there probably. This seems to be the one site that emphasizes day play.
In post 80, Datisi wrote:i don't think he's scum still, but honestly at this point i'm willing to sheep you if you're convinced (because apparently janko isn't happening either...)
I'm not convinced. I'm almost never convinced. Do I think this play feels scummy? Yes. Do I think it has a greater than average chance of being scum? Yes. Could i be wrong? Of course. Please don't sheep me because that will expose us earlier than normal anyway.
In post 88, Datisi wrote:that koba soft is 100% fake (they did that in a newbie i was modding) but i'm not gonna say that because koba eating the nightkill would be like Christmas rn
I was legit thinking about tracking there. Its mad scummy to ask for the doc on you on this site.
In post 95, Datisi wrote:while i get that you think npom is scum, pls keep in mind that deflating janko's wagon increases the odds bob gets pushed through, so idk keep an eye out on that pls
I'm watching. If Koba hadn't left the wagon I wouldn't have either. How sold are you on Bob as town?
Chill Dats. This game is hard. Let me know your thoughts on who to track, both of you. Koba is loud and obnoxious and both sorted a pr and claimed vt. I kinda wanna track there. . .
In post 125, Datisi wrote:if i am right on my reads so far, i could see something like andres/george/baltar but like ehhhhhhhhhh when am i right on my reads
billy, you were townreading bob, yeah? what's your thought on him now?
Don't have many thoughts tbh. Im not sold on koba town yet.
I think tracking Baltar makes sense.
The NPOM case is alot of hopping around and positioning to get on alot of wagons. Also couldn't get folks to get on it despite their positioning which makes me think the positioning was for bussing rather than anything else. If NPOM flips red I think it clears Koba though.
Hey, that's pretty cool. We got the deepwolf y'all. So uhhh Dats you're gonna sacrifice yourself for the cause today so you may wanna put a vrumb down that isnt as obscure. Actually our associative are pretty obvious without a new one.
Like what would his fakeclaim be? Your neighborizer may be the solid play here though because his answers (ascetic or the one that comes up scum - which may not be allowed in a normal) would not answer the tracking result. Or would the tracker result return a guilty for that weird role?
In post 156, Datisi wrote:the only things that he can claim that are answers to loyal-neighborizer!me failing to neighborize me:
(1) he's ascetic or a commuter (we know this is false)
(2) he was rolestopped (we know this is false)
(3) i am rolelocked (we don't know if this is false or not, but it's probably a lie)
(4) he calls me lying scum.
i'd be hoping for (1) or (2). regardless of his answer, i'm gonna trueclaim tracker soon enough after, but if (1) or (2) happens, then he's pretty cemented as scum.
Miller was the one i was worried about and according the the wiki, the normal miller only returns guilty to a cop.
Baltar has experience with NPOM and knows his alignment. So probably white knight. I mean he was gonna try and spin the mis-elim for towncred when NPOM flipped town. He knew that town would mis-elim him so chainsaw would probably be riskier in that scenario
As for the timing question you asked, I'd give it a bit. Let everyone weigh in. Guilties derail the conversation real quick and it would be nice to see where Baltar wants the conversation to go.
What do you think the odds are that scum have a watcher? Does Baltar normally go this long without posting?
In post 166, Datisi wrote:gotcha. i'll just be around to make sure a quick wagon doesn't spring up on bob. i'm lowkey afraid of quick lynches.
it's deifinitely possible scum has some sorta watcher or voyeur. however, if they saw you visit baltar last night, there isn't really anything we can do about it. just close our eyes and hope that's not the case.
pedit: i doubt it will, claiming i'm a mason will be the last line of defense if literally everything goes wrong.
if you'd like, i can straighforward just claim tracker. or maybe better yet, claim a vague "guilty" and make him guess what investigative roles we are.
Nah, the gambit alleviates some possible bullshit defense fakeclaims.
In post 165, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Also, because you're gambiting, this may end up exposing one of us. It should be you hellbooks.
what should be me? sorry im not following
We'll talk about it later.
I'm liking how this discussion is going down. Andres completely writing VP out of his execution pool is a real strong associative probably not likely to come from a partner, right?
In post 171, Datisi wrote:in case my "claim loyal neighborizer then tracker" gambit backfires and i need to confirm myself to be a mason, i'm going to claim to be masons with you.
But that only happens if when she owns the initial gambit, that people start to trust Baltar over her.
also, Baltar has to post a bit before you drop the guilty on him. I wanna see how he was planning on entering the day.
And Hellbooks, we're not carrying you. We're all just playing. Look Datisi was wrong on her strong scumread yesterday. This game is hard and people need to stop second guessing and the crippling self-doubt. That's my job.
I'm still not off NPOM. I think i had expressed some skepticism of NPOM before Baltar decided to go after me as well. So we're leaning on white knight, but maybe that was a D1 early chainsaw.
In post 188, hellbooks wrote:Testa and VP also have similar townread assocs, i would say testa has lower partner equity with baltar than andres does. i could deeeefinitely see aldu. just at a first glance. NPOM's not bad
In post 189, Datisi wrote:i'm trying to tie myself to ico as best as i can. you two can "subtly" hint tomorrow "no we probably shouldn't be pushing ico".
i am not carrying anyone, i am using my life to eat a bullet for our PR because that's all i'm good for :')
In post 199, Datisi wrote:i know, i know, definitely, we need some spicy associates to work with tonight. my only worry is a quicklynch on bob before i get a chance to claim it, but how often do those happen anyway amirite...
There needs to be like 3 more votes on him. I dont see a d2 quick kill, but just hang around in case.
I have so much difficulty sorting players like NPOM. Because they don't have logic. I dont know how to read them because they make flaws of logic constantly so a lack of a logical progression sure as shit isn't scum!indicative for them.
I have a feeling I won't be around for the real fireworks. I'm busy in like 2 hours and then work is gonna tough tomorrow in terms of finding time to post.
