Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

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First!

VOTE: not science

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Everyone knows camping is scummy.

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Me and ns have played together, yeah.

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We are missing four people! People were also quite slow to confirm, so I'm low-key expecting prods on Friday and replacements over the weekend.

Our other se is on vla

Nothing too weird has happened yet. We could all wagon ns....

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(you are ruining the plan, ns)

Why is it tempting, clarity?

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Sometimes finding a pr is useful, but the priority is finding someone from their reads and interactions. Im.also weird and like to read pages backwards, as it's easier to see any weird jumps of logic/interactions/reads.

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Pretty much h the only read I have is a townread on clarity

with stupid max. townie games, a townread indicates scum assuming a new/other meta/metagame player. Esp this early with 0 concrete data, only personalities. Clarity's probably too good to be true.
VOTE: Clarity
Also, good to see people finally not being AFK. Too bad I can't do the good ol' D1 fake jester cause of daystart D:

Why not vote ns for the bad read, rather than clarity for having a fan?

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^ good posting.

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Today I learnt Oureal is will smith in men in black

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I liked the post. I thought it was towny. I don't think I needed to analyse anything that 'good post' didn't convey.

Also that vote 0.o

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Now forget I said anything if IV flips Scum haha

How do you read iv?

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Bellaphant, why're you still voting for notscience?

Fair, but there's nowhere else I strongly want my vote right now (the bulge maybe, don't feel like hammering IV. O guess you can consider my vote on iv by proxy )UNVOTE:

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Just a note: it's never a good idea to self hammer as town!

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@walter, we were missing a vote and still talking at iv being close to e-1: my read wasn't strong enough to put him back there. I guess I should've made that clearer. (He also seemed to want to claim at le-1 without intetnt, which I also wanted to avoid on page 9).
His posting on this page seems townier, as I like him.explaining about his thought process over the hammer..

@iv, I'm still not sure what you want? Do you disagree? Nash shared his thoughts in a way that progressed the game, which I think is town.

I townread our and Nash. I was harder townreading ns and clarity but ns's reaction to me and convo with the bulge on this page (considering the last interaction they had where na thought tb was scum, and I've missed what changed) and clarity's absence once the thread had picked up has lessened that slightly.

I am less engaged than I should be: our and IV are just the types of posters I find hard to engage with.

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I really don’t see any reason scum!Nash doesn’t write 79 as often as town!Nash does. Anyone can pass that off as analysis and cast suspicion on me

Fair, and it's not a post that's gonna cement a read through the whole game, but day one I like to form town reads.

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Why are you presenting wagoning bulge as new when you already were part of his wagon before you unvoted him, voted clarity, hopped off clarity and are now back where you started?

You don't seem to be tr-ing clarity so I'm trying to work out what's new and different..

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Ok, so why presenting it as a new idea, was the first half of my question.

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You could engage me, bulge. Talk to me. I do better one on one.

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Day 1, VC 4

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

The Bulge (3) -

notscience, Andresvmb, Ouroel

innocentvillager (2) -

Nash, Clarity238

Clarity238 (1) -

innocentvillager

Not Voting (3)

- WaltertheDunce10, Bellaphant, notscience

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-15 11:00:00)

@mod You have ns as voting and not voting and the bulge should be on me..

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Although id say eagerness is more likely to come from new town than new scum, her lack of engagement once the t
Thread picked up/she took some heat is worrying

P-edit, bulge:

Iv really pinged me for hsi agrressiom and the way he seemed to scumread some.towmy things, but his last two pages are fine.

I cant read ouriel right now. early on I thought he has to be town as scum isn't that...open, but his approach to wagons is off putting, as is his wanting to pressure -everyome- , which could be convenient for scum.

Nash seems pretty town. I've talked about clarity. Walter seems townish but that's based on him applying a bit of pressure to me. Andres hasn't made much of an impression at all
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NS I'd like to think I can read with a bit of time, and I'm curious to talk more to you.

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@nash, wut
@iv, I think he's generally town but you are right about like...not replying on a gut feel for long. I generally town hunt early tho, and I did say he's town enough for me for day 1.
@the bulge, I don't know what 'you don't think this could be from a lack of reciprocity?'' means? Do you mean she got bored coz the game was quiet? That she didn't like being scum read so got less engaged? Or ..something else?

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Not quite, iv, that sounds a bit too clever for me... although I think everyone does reasses as info changes. I'm just saying day one is low info, so yeah, my threshold is lower. Also, day one elims do seem almost random at the moment, so having a group of people that shouldn't be in helps a bit?

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Oh, i misunderstood totally. Although I do think there's some credit In my alternate!theories

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Sorry, wrong you, I meant bulge. I kinda assumed he's have follow up questions..

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Can we have a reads list, @clarity?

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VOTE: andres

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@bulge, because I asked to chat, you asked me my reads, said you basically agreed but then didn't respond more and are still voting me? I think it's natural to assume you still want to work things through with me. Dunno why you are on about gladiate?

I kind of asked our the same question and the response wasn't great.

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I had a whole convo with IV about how it isn't a 'strong' read though. It kinda looks like you are parroting iv a few days late without taking the pages since Into context. I'm not sure why you think my town reading a town-ish looking post is the thing most deserving of a vote this game.

My vote was mostly pressure but now it's serious.

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Bulge, I think we are both picking up tension that doesn't exist? I can see what you are saying but I think you r read things from Me as more aggressive than they are.

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@walter, it was mainly pressure, but also when I did my reads you and him were my least 'contenty' read, but we'd had a positive interaction where you followed me up on something. After, His scum read of me seemed weak and when I asked him about it, his reaction was disproportionate

@bulge, I just think you've added a lot of motive that isn't there. You aren't in my elim pile today. Maybe I am more pa than aggressive, but snap

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My issue is before you reacted to my vote , I found it hard to remember anything you'd said. I tend to find that slots that leave me with static end up being scum, because scum often don't want to be controversial/make the big pushes. Its why I had an issue with your vote for me beinf something already discussed - it's not new and doesn't move the thread forward..your rspksne to this response was quite ...a lot.

My original point /question still stands - has nothing else stood out?

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You said almost the same thing about nash's stances as I'm saying about you, so I'm surprised you don't seem to recognise it.

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Its still mostly focused on responding to me, talking to bulge about me, and Nash. It isn't new. You did change your read on clarity but I actually hate her readsliat post: did it not bother you?

I wasn't trying to argue that, I was trying to connect to your thought process.

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Fair.

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UNVOTE: annoyingly, Andres doubling down makes more sense as town. Although if hia focus stays relatively narrow, I'll look at it again.

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Can you tell me a bit more about clarity?

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I don't think speculation about a newbie replace our is helpful of conclusive and like....that has my Spidey sense pinging.

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Because 'the newbie replaced our because he didn't like scum' is a really easy fait-accompli. You know that.

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I the bulges response to me he displayed a lot of paranoia: he seemed to have been analysing my play and although the conclusions he made seemed over the top (I was shading him to lead a bunch of newbies onto a mis-elim), the level of thought seemed town.

The same with Andres..his reasons for voting me were silly and it bothered me that he didn't engage with the fact that I'd had quite a good chat with IV about it. But I think scum disengages there In response, because it's safer.

I don't know how I feel about ns yet,which is worrying slightly, but although self meta sucks I do think scum!ns only has to try to impress town!Bella and bulge a little bit to live. I'm keeping an eye.

Wavering on iv, Nash and our. Not sure what to make of the new replacement, wondering if 451 is trying too hard..

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VOTE: walter

Hadn't realised how empty their iso was once you took out all of the questions that aren't really followed up.

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To expand, there's a lot of shade and 'interest' in other people that does t feel followed up by a read/push, and his vote has been really passive this day phase.

I'm not convinced by replacement either - putting my slot so high on their townreads is odd: why ?

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With a day left to go, the bugle and IV are vanity wagons so can we get some consolidation? We need time to e-1 someone, let then claim and start again.

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@mod, any chance of an extension, seeing as we've had 1/3 of the game replace? Even til the end of the Weeknd?

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I think iv is just very... bouncy? I feel like you have a lot!of! thoughts! And I can't always parse them into a sensible order. I should ask you more questions, though. I think iv has got a lot more town as today has gone on.

What do you make of Nash's voting quirk?

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Can you do something more useful with your vote? You are being strangely fatalistic

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Bulge is on the next leading wagon, I think everyone else needs to consolidate on one of Andre/Walter. Andres was looking a lot more town before his weirdness about voting something useful coming up to deadline.

P-edit then Andres, you need to either explain why iv/Nash should be the elim, or follow the vote. We don't have time for anything else.

Pp-edit honestly you might just have to claim

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I'm asking you to explain why?

You clearly aren't my favoured elim here out of the two leading wagons but the lack of...drive to actually solve since you got wagoned is concerning.

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VOTE: iv


E-1

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Nash wagon is ass is anyone around to help make a better wagon

This, basically

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@ mod, has ourel been prodded?

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I’m not wagoning walter

Why?

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It was a fairly solid l-2 wagon a whole ago

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Gotcha snoop.

I doubt Bella’s the buddy I don’t think she had to bus here but I’m looking at her if this wagon flips green

??

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What is a bop list?

NS, why? I made it clear at the time it wasn't my preferred elim and we'd have elimed anything we could at that point, a day without an elim is just not a good thing..

Your last post as well feels really tin hatty. You are making some quite bold statements without any real analysis as to the whys

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In a normal situation, that's fine ns, but we were elim-ing literally anyone as time was running out, and you were literally cheerleading the wagon?

Like, these feels really distanced and not actually related to what happened

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Im only in conflict because it's nonsense. Or refuge in audacity - I can't work out why ns is yelling 'se scum on the wagon': maybe it's true!

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That isn't what you were saying though? Obviously that makes sense...

Either I've misunderstood or you are eliding

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Why would I campaign for a wagon on my scum!read, Walter, and then nk him? I'd do one, or the other, as scum.

We needed an elim. I said this to you yesterday, in the post you just quoted as bad, because no one was consolidating. Like...I'm not even gonna argue you should town read me for it because it's just basic. But it's nai at all.

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@mod, vla til Sunday please..

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I've not read, be here tomorrow, but im still at l-1? And at least one of our ses thinks that a wagon that got to e-1 in a few pages and then stalled is super pro town? Ace.

Am I being asked to claim?

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920 and the surrounding posts from bell are...strange. if I remember right, I was being scum read for having a light town read on our? But then bell comes along and is like ....oh no, actually, a light town read is fine.

I can't get my head around the bell slot at all. A lot of their posting looks like iioa

Andres asking people why they hasn't voted me when I'm at l-1 is weirdly reassuring. I keep wanting to scum read them and keep circling back to they wouldn't be behaving like this as scum.

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Bell, I think a lot of information from your slot is just that - I can't see you tilting hard for a solve.

Andres is almost too scummy to be scum, and I'm struggling to see what his next move is here as scum when I flip town. Yesterday, we had the interaction where he scum read me for something that iv had come after me for, was a non issue and just...doubles down on it, which I wouldn't expect from new!scum. Bulge asked about the wagon on him - the wagons just all fell apart close to deadline yesterday, and it was clear that the people online (me, iv, NS, kinda Andres) wanted an elim.

The day or so before, Andres hops off me, bulge into Andres, I ask got consolidation and Andres acts like he doesn't understand why, ns jokes about elim ing IV for town credit ,Walter pops up and is useless, iv offers to self hammer to get an elim, (and after this I think most votes come from desperation),ns defends Andres, bell votes Nash??(why?) And IV follows, Walter follows, Nash votes Andres, ms defends Nash, Nash votes iv (omgus??),, Bell votes Andres, I vote iv, call the bash wagon bad, bell pushes Andres, bell hammers (although this may have been an accident?)

There's actually a much bigger push on Andres towards the very end of the day, which I didn't really notice at the time , and that Nash wagon popped up out of nowhere. I'd say if Andres is scum, bell and NS look really bad in comparison, around that wagon. Andres spending a lot of time today encouraging a hammer on me when I was in vla and also wasn't on E-1 is super gross, and just happened to me fron scum in another game. Maybe I'm over thinking this and too scummy to be scum is just scum.

The thing stopping me scum reading bell is that turn around on our for...no reason.

Bulge is town, although I can't see why he's had town reading notty: I've just played a game with notty where I played like this, this is very much my nornal town meta.

Shelly is a big null.
I think joy is town, if only for having their own takes on the game.

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Sorry, that was very much as I was thinking it. VOTE: andres