Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[WaltertheDunce10]

VOTE: Andresvmb
I don't know a good way to shorten your name so I'm voting you. Speaking of names, I should be clear because my name, like the title, has the number 23 in it.

@The other newbies - I saw none of you have games on here, how much offsite experience do you guys have? I've personally played for a year or two IRL and on a couple of other sites, but I'm not used to games longer than a couple of hours.

VOTE: clarity
I have some games here.
But I did start offsite.

[WaltertheDunce10]

That makes sense,
Darn indexes.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Man, I have been busy, hopefully we can post some more,
also
we denied mod the pagetop !

[WaltertheDunce10]

Those emojis creep me out for some reason.
Nash, what caused this vote?

[WaltertheDunce10]

A good explanation from nash.
A;lthough my paranoia is echoed by village.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I have to agree with you on your post there bulge,
I would like to see a reason from Nash on what he hopes to accomplish by asking for votes on IV?
Although Iv rubs me the wrong way on some of his posts,
@IV
I would like to know why 123 and 124 were needed,
Is there a reason for why you don't have a good answer, it seems evasive.
VOTE: IV
PEdit
Wait a second, you called out bella for the same thing and now you do it.
Care to explain?

[WaltertheDunce10]

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

[WaltertheDunce10]

God damnit
VOTE: unvote

[WaltertheDunce10]

I did not realize IV was at e-1 with my earlier vote, my apologies,
I was pressure voting him to answer.
Our is definite town now.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Andes, What made you vote for Bulge?

[WaltertheDunce10]

I think IV paired with TB or Andres are less likely than random

What makes you think this was less than random?

[WaltertheDunce10]

Am getting more of tr on andres also.
IV I still can't read.
Bulge is also neutral for now.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Am getting more of tr on andres also.

Why?

Because he brought attention to it and moved the vote off,
though his posts afterward seem pretty flippyfloppy.
I am not sure scum would do that unless they wanted towncred.

[WaltertheDunce10]

That is interesting Iv, that you bring that up,
Bella, do you have any reads so far?
I see that your last post has IV as a proxy vote.
Can I ask why you believe a proxy vote is better than none?
Because at the time you posted IV only had two votes on him, I believe.

[WaltertheDunce10]

K, thank you.
That is a good answer.

[WaltertheDunce10]

what does good mean? townpost? why was it a townpost? i have so many question

This feels a bit weird to me - the 'does good mean townpost' part seems pretty obviously a yes.

lmao am I just casually at E-1

Should I claim?

or they could’ve just let a quickhammer happen potentially

but u right it’s probably not actually that town indicative

Unless I'm missing something, wasn't he at E-2 here? Andre just shifted his vote off IV.

oh I thought you were asking me what role I was thinking of claiming huehuehue (probably Cop or JK, that’ll always get a nice PR to go down with me). If I was scum. If I was town probably just my actual role or whatever

Nah I was just curious if people wanted me to claim because I was at E-1 and that’s what you’re supposed to do at E-1

I really don't like this post - the 'what you're supposed to do' part feels really shady to me, and the whole wifomish "here's what I'll do if I'm scum" thing feels off - why would you go into this detail as town?

Ouroel is town because I don't think scum would be as... spewy as he is?
UNVOTE: Ouroel
VOTE: innocentvillager

Agrreed on the ouroel point
I agree, plus I think scum our would have scum chat to work out the meta instead of the game thread.
It is his attempt to understand how to read a different meta from tos.

[WaltertheDunce10]

like when I look at IV's post, he almost never do the tearing down. he just shows his approval, or spills out his gut feelings. it's almost as if he is just completely disinterested....

but then again it's most likely normal new player behaviour.

sigh, the curse of daystart

Ouroel, you do realize IV is no newbie right.
He has a lot of games under his belt.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I have to say that Nash's points do make good sense on clarity.
Though I would like to see some more from clarity and Andres.
@ Ouroel
What changed in your mind from214 to 233 and 239 ?
Why is town now dumb from who you think is town then all town feel scummy?

[WaltertheDunce10]

VOTE: Nash

Nash, why did you vote for yourself?

[WaltertheDunce10]

IV, What is your take on Andres now? you said you don't hate an Andres vote and that it seemed suspicious.
Andres has both of his investigate pushes from 344 on his wagon.
Bella, what made you originally vote for Andres?

[WaltertheDunce10]

Give me a reason to TR you Nash.

I think it's too early to have hard stances. What makes you think I'm detached?

Why do you believe it is too early to have a hard stance?

[WaltertheDunce10]

Give me a reason to TR you Nash.

I think it's too early to have hard stances. What makes you think I'm detached?

Why do you believe it is too early to have a hard stance?

This was not directed to you at all our, yet you felt the need to answer , how curious.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Just that he felt the need to so it raised my eyebrows to take a another look.
Why did our want to answer that is what was going through my head.

[WaltertheDunce10]

actually UNVOTE:
VOTE: walter

walter's last couple posts in particular have been very lazy and felt opportunistic. his iso is riddled with similar questions and comments actually. I recently played a game where scumwalter's presence was similar, always seeming to be the one to ask the questions everyone sees but nobody bothers asking.

walter were you under the impression that this was ouroel's first time answering a question not directed at him this game?

It was the first time I had noticed it.
It annoys me though because it can affect the answer a person gives and then our jumps in with the answer which affects a read of that person for me by making it inaccurate or not in their words.
It does not seem like a town action to me Iv, why feel the need to hop in so to speak.
I am not sure it comes from a town mindset.
maybe eager new town.

I have been busy with other games also.
Andres is now town.
Nash I dropped down to neutral due to his response to te self vote and another double vote along with Jankofan needing to be brought up.
I am having a really hard time getting a good read on ns and IV though.
Not science in particular as I read his iso and nothing stood out as a town stance, just a bunch of questions and short answers.
Bella is now slight scum for me. Something rubs me odd about the interaction between you and her. More on bella than you though
Bulge, I think you might be town but that impression has only improved with your recent posts.
Notscience, in 242 you unvoted and said to put your 'vote" on bella while waiting for a vc.
Then the vc comes up in 250 and you had a post soon after that.
Why did you not vote then upon seeing the vc?
Since then you have not voted again, is there a reason why?
VOTE: Notscience

pedit Clarity slot I see has replaced.
Welcome Bell.



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[WaltertheDunce10]

Last 15-18.
Walter, why do you think Andre is more towny in the last 5 pages?

For me 344 stands out.
I also agree with him somewhat on the Nash points.
I agree with belephant on Andres doubling down.

[WaltertheDunce10]

actually UNVOTE:
VOTE: walter

walter's last couple posts in particular have been very lazy and felt opportunistic. his iso is riddled with similar questions and comments actually. I recently played a game where scumwalter's presence was similar, always seeming to be the one to ask the questions everyone sees but nobody bothers asking.

walter were you under the impression that this was ouroel's first time answering a question not directed at him this game?

It was the first time I had noticed it.
It annoys me though because it can affect the answer a person gives and then our jumps in with the answer which affects a read of that person for me by making it inaccurate or not in their words.
It does not seem like a town action to me Iv, why feel the need to hop in so to speak.
I am not sure it comes from a town mindset.
maybe eager new town.

I have been busy with other games also.
Andres is now town.
Nash I dropped down to neutral due to his response to te self vote and another double vote along with Jankofan needing to be brought up.
I am having a really hard time getting a good read on ns and IV though.
Not science in particular as I read his iso and nothing stood out as a town stance, just a bunch of questions and short answers.
Bella is now slight scum for me. Something rubs me odd about the interaction between you and her. More on bella than you though
Bulge, I think you might be town but that impression has only improved with your recent posts.
Notscience, in 242 you unvoted and said to put your 'vote" on bella while waiting for a vc.
Then the vc comes up in 250 and you had a post soon after that.
Why did you not vote then upon seeing the vc?
Since then you have not voted again, is there a reason why?
VOTE: Notscience

pedit Clarity slot I see has replaced.
Welcome Bell.



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very true, but you didn't say it was annoying, you said it was curious.

the bella interaction is still rubbing me as weird as well. what was weird about it for you?

Both I was curious as to why he answered the post meant for someone else.
I am slightly annoyed in that it took away an answer that I could use to eval someone.

Bella backed off on you once you asked about the tension.
Bella also seemed to back off on you by saying you were not in her elim pile.
But also implies motive,
Idk maybe a misunderstanding but it seems more to me than that.
Also, the vote on Andres too becoming serious all of a sudden then she backed off of that after a few qs.

[WaltertheDunce10]

To add on When Andres voted for bella at 322, Bella was online at the time, but the response to the serious vote until 1038.
That was what made the interaction weird.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Also, the vote on Andres too becoming serious all of a sudden then she backed off of that after a few qs.

what do you think those questions might have been for?

Looking back it is more the part about Andres and her vote about becoming more serious.
K, The questions seem more of an attempt to understand Andres which seemed to be accomplished when she unvoted.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I can see that my push on ns is not really going to bring an answer from him.
But the discussion from before my reads posts does make me feel better about the slot.
Bell is a null read.

[WaltertheDunce10]

VOTE: bellaphant

[WaltertheDunce10]

That was at Walters question from earlier

Thanks

[WaltertheDunce10]

Thank you mod.
@Iv do you make anything of it?
@ Bell since you read those games, was the posting style different?

[WaltertheDunce10]

Alright, Thanks, posting style was different on a different site and that seems to be a good answer.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I did not make that clear.
535 about the nash vote quirk?

[WaltertheDunce10]

The posts referred to are 305 306 and 380 381 .
Those are the nash double votes.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Correction on the post tags.
305
380

Those link to the first of the double votes.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Sorry. I am back.
I see andres is at e-1
I would rather not have to hammer Andres unless absolutely needed.
I have to do some dishes rn so I will be back in 20.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I also don't want to late push IV, but I am not a fan of no elim at all.
pedit
Are the ah needed ns.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Ns cut the ahhs please
That is not helpful.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Kinda hard for me to answer Bell because the one game I played as scum on here I was elimed D1.
VOTE: unvote while I sort myself out here as Bella seems slighly more townier to me.

Pedit
Ugh fine.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I think I would have as scum hammerred Andres.
Looking at it right now I tend to guard my reads and be far less open with them as scum.
In fact I don't think in that game
I also in that game target fixated there.
I prob as scum would try to have pushed for you / nash.
Only scum game is newbie 2021.

[WaltertheDunce10]

The third line should say never posted a full read list.

[WaltertheDunce10]

@ mod I am currently not voting.

[WaltertheDunce10]

your reasoning is wherever Bell goes you go.
That seems a terrible reason.
this is opposite to 389.
Is there something that has changed?

[WaltertheDunce10]

Nash, any thoughts?

[WaltertheDunce10]

K Mr time
VOTE: nash
pedit not sure scum would say that. Pretty sure not.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I would prefer iv to andres

[WaltertheDunce10]

Intent to hammer IV
I might be going back to bed pretty soon not usually up this early.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I am now fully awake.
So I will be here for the next hour.
Turns out cleaning up dog vomit can wake someone up.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Alright I will do that .

[WaltertheDunce10]

Huh k.
Wondered how i got zeroed in so quickly