Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Almost50]

Howdy.

VOTE: Almost50

Claims to be Almost50. Is in truth Beyond50.

Eliminate all liars.

Monkeys can't count that high

[Almost50]

As you can tell, I didn't read the OP

Bad practice

VOTE: TripleHaven

[Almost50]

Preliminary reads:

Dannflor
Everyone else
Marashu

Dies this mean you just voted the guy you TR the most, or is this readlist upside down?

[Almost50]

Please god tell me that this entire PL is not on US time

You know "I ain't no American" (although my time schedule is so messy I can assure you no person on this planet can tell where I'm from based on that alone)

[Almost50]

Well jokes on you, i can tell based from your location that you're right here, checkmate

That still isn't based on my time schedule alone

[Almost50]

1 to go~

Sure. Would you like some pickles on that?

[Almost50]

At this point I’d like to hear from dunn, A50, and umlaut

Ahem.. *clears throat* This next song is dedicated to Menalque:

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

I’d like to see crush slot post and I still want to hear from dunn and A50

I know this is the same session (at least for me) but I want you to NOT expect much from me at this time still. You know well (ar at least should) that I don't enter the game guns blazing (unless I am a replacement who got it with lots of substance readily available). You should be happy I am -at least- not meme'ing and shitposting enough. My mind is "elsewhere" for now, but I am "watching from the sideline" and will probably jump in sometime soon.

[Almost50]

Oh, I forgot marashu, he’s also in null for now

What shade ofr null is that? You seem to have 3 null categories.

[Almost50]

You keep saying things like this and I just have no idea why you think I would trust that to be accurate/correct

Not sure why you'd also be thinking about why someone that you've pegged as scum(my) would have correct reads!

I believe dram was more pointing it out to use as further evidence. I do not necessarily agree with his reads, but I -at least- "think" I get his thoughts on this one. (Been there, done that)

[Almost50]

You keep saying things like this and I just have no idea why you think I would trust that to be accurate/correct

Not sure why you'd also be thinking about why someone that you've pegged as scum(my) would have correct reads!

Oh, shit. MY BAD. I somehow thought you were asking

dram

that.

[Almost50]

I’d like to see crush slot post and I still want to hear from dunn and A50

I know this is the same session (at least for me) but I want you to NOT expect much from me at this time still. You know well (ar at least should) that I don't enter the game guns blazing (unless I am a replacement who got it with lots of substance readily available). You should be happy I am -at least- not meme'ing and shitposting enough. My mind is "elsewhere" for now, but I am "watching from the sideline" and will probably jump in sometime soon.

why the quotation marks
what does elsewhere in quotation marks mean
why are you implying that meme'ing and shitposting is scummy
wh

I have no idea "why you're asking these questions" and I don't like your post, but I'll answer "for the sake of answering".

1- Why the quotation: Using capitals is considered "shouting". Using bold/italics is considered "asserting". Using "quotations" is kind of "hinting".



2- I just told you I was "hinting". What, you can't take a hint?



OK, here's another: This is not the only game I am playing, nor is this my "one and only" account.

3- I did no such thing. I myself use memes a LOT, and it becomes annoying to "some" players.

4- And as for the last "wh".. I guess it's only proper to respond with:

[Almost50]

would you try to explain it to me one more time?

DAMMIT!

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

I did get a read (scum).

Here comes my first serious attempt to get into the game (as in "have a real presence"). It's not much, but it's a start: Double you Etch Why?

[Almost50]

btw Dunnstral is posting elsewhere on site that's not here sooooo that's also a good wagon

I don't think so.

[Almost50]

dramonic does not believe in such petty and useless things as "sorting people" or "playing mafia"

I'm afraid it's the other way around from my PoV. I think dram is actually playing mafia and he certainly is sorting people.

[Almost50]

The narrator of a story is hardly in the spotlight

Said in a Morgan Freeman tone.

[Almost50]

After careful consideration I've decided I don't want to share a complete readlist at this point. I probably should have been more coy about some reads I have already outed too, but I can't change that now. My vote is still where I want it to be. though (no matter how hard I should/would be keeping my cards close to chest I still have to out at least one SR)

[Almost50]

could someone who isn't in dramonic's scum list ask dramonic for the "why" behind his reads please and thank you

I don't need to. Some of his reads I agree with. Some I don't (or not sure about) but I understand where he's coming from. The 2-3 that do not belong in either group I don't mind sleeping on for now.

Worthy of note that some reads are "player specific", meaning that the same (exact) posts (and level of activity) coming from X may mean something totally different than them coming from Y. It's a personality/playing style thing.

[Almost50]

Which benefits exactly are you expecting to see by concealing your reads?

Protecting my TRs. Plain and simple.

[Almost50]

i would much rather menalque but we seem to be at a standstill so

Unvote, Vote: TripleHaven

I feel there is potential of an overcockiness in TripleHaven rather than a scumflip

.

Is that you saying you're voting someone you don't think is going to flip anti-town or am I misunderstanding the bolded?

[Almost50]

He just like, hasn’t felt meaningfully scumhunty to me? Like, my definition of scumhunting doesn’t include “pick 4 names and loudly shout that they’re scum”

I won't explain his play not try to respond on his behalf, but I have already made the mistake outing I TR dram, so I don't see why I can't say the following:

Ask yourself what is the scum motive behind “pick(ing) 4 names and loudly shout(ing) that they’re scum”. If there's even 1 scum in that pool they'd thing dram is on the other team and shoot him. If X doesn't like his reads (and many appear to be on that list) and X happens to be a TPR they're more likely to target him. In short, right or wrong, dram is setting himself to be a high priority target for night action for either or both sides (town being one side, and anti-town collectively being the other).

Now scum would want to be in that spot because..?

[Almost50]

I think I may just townbin A50 and worry about that later if it needs to be worried about

A better phrasing would have been: I suspect A50 like I always do, but he's not a top priority on D1.

[Almost50]

Okay why do you consider that important/best done through keeping your reads to yourself?

Do you have a better way of protecting your own Townreads from the NKs?

[Almost50]

It started with y vote on him in RVS (which was semi-serious). Not reading the OP is bad and especially so coming from someone who is "new to the site". Then I didn't like his tone and his responses strike me as manufactured (as in.. text book responses). I don't have a better target to vote right now, and I like dram for town, so this is where I want my vote to be still.

[Almost50]

Which benefits exactly are you expecting to see by concealing your reads?

Protecting my TRs. Plain and simple.

but doesn't that assume that all your TR's are going to die?

are you saying that you have control over a night kill?

:think:
VOTE: almost50

This is one of the

silliest

arguments I have ever seen made against me.

What does "protecting my TRs" and me "having control on a NK" have to do with each other? Why wouldn't I TR you by day and shoot you at night? In fact, that would give earn me some credibility (having recognized you as a townie and stated it in public).

And what does the first part even mean? Maybe I only have 2 confident TRs? Maybe I have up to 4 but can't explain them without giving away "stuff"?

But more importantly: Why would you care whom I TR anyway? What's it to you? You should only care about whom I'm SRing and why. No?

[Almost50]

seriously why is almost50 so confident in this

So far you have yet to make ONE ATTEMPT at "clearing yourself". All I see you doing is attack/discredit your accusers. The question is not why >I< believe anything. The question is "why should I not". In other words, what makes you think that I should TR you, or -at least- be less sus of you here?

[Almost50]

Serious question, since I have been away for a couple years: What's with the new lingo of exile and gylo or whatever that was. Like I understand what people mean, but did we decide that lynch was no longer pc?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=83525

[Almost50]

explain how i'm supposed to clear myself

IF you are town, try resetting. Start from scratch, and show us how your town mindset works to find anti-town players. That is probably the best advise I can give you here. If you do flip town though (at any point) we need to talk post-game about how you present yourself at the start of a game.

[Almost50]

ya'll starting scumreading me from my first post and your guys reasoning for voting me hasn't evolved since like page 10

Lady, I didn't "scum read you" for not reading the intro post. I just said it was bad and voted you based on it. It was still RVS, but then your overall posting turned it into a real vote. Right now I can't find a reason for me to switch my vote off you because there's nothing townie in your ISO. If I'm wrong I do apologize in advance, and I would have learnt a valuable lesson about how you play.

Like, right now I want to ask you something, but I can't (because it could potentially backfire if you are indeed a townie).

[Almost50]

OK, I am less confident in Triple being scum, but I have no better place to vote still.

P.S. Reason why I am second guessing myself is I FINALLY got myself to do some work and actually log into MU. I was more interested in how she played TOWN, and her last 2 games (this one & this one) sje appears to be totally useless (no offense). So, I checked the game before them (she was scum on it), and couldn't find any major differences. It's a player style thing. (I don't want to start a debate about how good/bad MU generally is, so I'll just restrict myself to talking about Triple.)

Worthy of note that MU profile says she is 3/4 as scum and 9/28 as town (so town won on 10/32 of the games she was involved in), which are really scary stats.

[Almost50]

The only game she played on MS previously she was town. I noticed both Umlaut and Menalque were in it, and now I am even more confused because one (Menalque) is defending her and the other (obviously Umlaut) says she looks bad. Do I really need to read that game in details? (Hint: I am NOT going to, so settle it out between the two of you and return a decision ASAP if you please)

[Almost50]

Serious question, since I have been away for a couple years: What's with the new lingo of exile and gylo or whatever that was. Like I understand what people mean, but did we decide that lynch was no longer pc?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=83525

Huh.
So what's the g in gylo?

Everyone is now "inventing" a word to replace the dreaded L word. G is for Guillotine, but some mods are currently using Dunk, Exile & Eliminate (those are the ones I remember off the top of my head).

[Almost50]

Gamma Emerald replaces Crush.

YAY! Always "noice" to see you, mate.

[Almost50]

like you're not the only person with townreads, I don't think one persons reads are going to sway scum that hard

Gamma: There are two ways I can protect my

own

townreads. One is to hide them. the other is to mildly shade them (enough to discourage the NK on them but not enough to actually wagon them). In MB games the latter is still a risky tactic because of "power distribution". One scum side may decide to go for a push on said TR (that I shaded) and the other may join them (not knowing that they are the other scum team) and then a wagon would still build on them, and if resisted they'd become a prime NK target. (In single ball it's less dangerous because it's almost never the case that the whole scum team would be on the miss-elimination).

Also, consider this: If I am a PR; I don't want to reveal whom I might be targeting tonight (regardless of whether I am an investigative or a protective). If I am not a PR; I still want to appear like one so that -hopefully- I might eat a bullet for the team.

Capisce?

[Almost50]

But more importantly: Why would you care whom I TR anyway? What's it to you? You should only care about whom I'm SRing and why. No?

What???

this is super obtuse, even for you. Why would someone

only

care about your SRs? Is this some advanced shading method?

Because that's whom I want to eliminate. My TR on someone isn't even going to stop anyone else from FoSing them (or more). You seem to have forgotten how I play. I want to see where YOU (plural) are pushing and why. I want to see who noticed something and who didn't. Come on. Did you lose you booklet on "A50 playstyle, methods and tricks"?

[Almost50]

Btw, the first page on that biiklet clearly states "Leave A50 alone on D1. Ask him not to explain anything he says/does no matter how weird it might seem to you. If you're an investigative it is wise to check him on N1 just to be sure. If not, ask him what you want on D2".

[Almost50]

While we're here discussing my super special lack of reads beyond 4 scum{tm)

I can't believe I was tricked by this evil scum called dramonic, but here he is scumslipping. He opened it with { but closed it with ), which is something I have once caught scum doing, so he must be scum.

@Gamma: Sorry for the bad joke, but this is how I see your argument comparing dram's play to N_M's play. But feel free to continue your push there.

On another note: See what I mean? dram is like the only player I had explicitly stated a TR on, and that didn't stop you from pushing him, did it? There is literally no point in me outing my other TRs at this time.

[Almost50]

in short I don't see what he would be gaining (as scum) by playing the game the way that he is

This is exactly why I'm townreading dram myself.

[Almost50]

Shameless prodge (At least I didn't ask for replacement)

[Almost50]

I probably won't make much sense in my next few posts. My sleeping schedule is messed up for the 3rd day running, so I am having a hard time comprehending the simplest phrases (I sometimes read the same post like 4 times to get it to even register. By the time I'm at the end of a line I had already forgotten how it started). I may need to reread the last 10-12 pages when my mind reignites.

For now I'd like to ask Menalque why he is voting Dunn when he is asserting Hiraki is his biggest SR. If that was explained already just point me to the post # ( I swear I don't remember anything I read. I even found one of Bell's posts so odd I thought he was posting in the wrong thread, but it turned out he was responding to a Menalque post ON THE SAME PAGE/ And now I can't remember what it was about, but I think Dunn was mentioned and they played 2 games together)

[Almost50]

Hiraki is scum or hiraki is not scum

The gamestate looks very different depending on which one of those is true

The only way to find out is flipping him and seeing what colour shows, so can we get to the doing that please instead of this endless back and forth in a no-info gamestate?

Good idea, but before we put it into practice I'd request that you elaborate on how it will affest your oen reads in each case. Like, who would suspect more if Hiraki flips green/red and who will be conf-town to you in both cases?

[Almost50]

Mark my words: nothing more meaningful than what we already have will happen in the remaining days until deadline. All the additional days will lead to is additional posting that will make the signal harder to find for all the noise

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

if Jake flips scum: I get killed tomorrow and am freed from this game and Dramonic and hiraki look really dumb for calling me scum and I get to crow about how if town they were totally wrong

This doesn't even make any sense AT ALL.

How ON EARTH would they "look really dumb" provided Hake flips SCUM??? And how would they be "totally wrong" in this case, even if you flip town next?

Listen, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS GAME specifically, but your playstyle is weird and you seem to always manage to get dig yourself ditches that you then struggle to get out of.

First: You ONLY trust your own reads, and it's hard for you to see thing from someone else's PoV (even if they were mod-confirmed).

Second: You go "all in" on one read which makes you look really bad if they flip green.

Third: This here quote looks very much like it could be designed to fall back to when/if hake flips scum. "Would I have said that as scum who knew Jake would flip scum? Why would I suggest we kill me next when the team is of only 2, thus we get eliminated?"

I am NOT saying this is the case. I am pointing out it "could be" and you seam to always do stuff like that (my past experience with you).

But that's only of Jake flips scum. What if he flips town? You sill look worse than anyone who pushed him, and -certainly- anyone that defended him and refused to vote him.

In short: If you're town, you're not helping. If you're scum, you're doomed.

I do apologize if this comes across as a harsh attack, but trust me.. if I was scum here it's be VERY EASY for me to set you up as the next elimination regardless. I won't even care if you were on the opposing team, because the push on you would be so easy it makes sense to come from just about ANYONE at all.

Again, SORRY. I just.. like your company but not at all your play "as of late". (I guess that's as close as I can phrase it without actually crossing the lines)

[Almost50]

Maybe hiraki or draconic will get shot and you won’t have to worry about it.

I don't get this one either. Menalque is saying he is Town and frustrated by the SRs on him. How does his pushers getting shot make him feel at ease??

[Almost50]

in any world where hiraki and dram are town scum never kill them because it means that this conflict continues into D2 or D3 or whenever until people finally get on board with guillotining one of them or with guillotining me

You're forgetting this is MB. Nobody can tell which of you -of any- is on the other team. You would have been likely correct if this was a game with a single scum side.

[Almost50]

Good idea, but before we put it into practice I'd request that you elaborate on how it will affest your oen reads in each case. Like, who would suspect more if Hiraki flips green/red and who will be conf-town to you in both cases?

err if hiraki flips scum then I just wanna proceed with flipping through my pool which would then be like (gamma, you, gypx!slot, Dunn) maybe mara as well depending on what dann has to say there

if hiraki is green then like, (you, gypx, dunn) are all still probably in my PoE. gamma is maybe less likely? mara probably goes in, dram comes down quite a bit. bell probably goes down a bit, Jake goes down

like if all of (me, teacher, dann, hiraki, dram) are town and fighting with one another then I think scum are probably all the passive slots, maybe 1 person trying to worm their way in to have an influence on what's happening

Comparing the first two paragraphs I don't see a major difference between Hiraki flipping red/green. A50/gypx/Dunn are still in your PoE either way, and mara goes from "maybe" to "probably". Even Gamma is still there in essmce, only "less likely". So HOW THE FREAK would that flip be of any considerable value to you, information-wise?

[Almost50]

if hiraki is green then like, (you, gypx, dunn) are all still probably in my PoE. gamma is maybe less likely? mara probably goes in, dram comes down quite a bit. bell probably goes down a bit, Jake goes down

Aside from that, you are adding three more slots to your list if Hiraki is green?? Am I reading this wrong???

[Almost50]

I think I've finally pinpointed why it's hard for em to follow the game properly. Too much noise, too much fluff, and too much side conversations that have nothing to do with the game itself. My plan was simple: Sit back and try to read people to decide who was more likely to be scum, and who was more likely to be their p in that case. Who dramonic's idols are isn't helping (just an example of side conversations). Some players are composing some of their posts in a "Shakespearean" manner too, so to speak. Some are responding to posts without quoting what they're responding to when there had been intermediate posts between the two that are addressing something totally different.

I am sorry if I sound like an arse here, but the game has been really hard to follow when I wasn't able to use 100% of my concentration abilities.

[Almost50]

A50, why the focus here?

It's better than discussing who is whose idol, I think.

[Almost50]

Sorry to derail you if you think this is helping.
But this reads a lot like criticism rather than scum hunting.

No it isn't. Part of it is frustration, yes, but I got more than I wanted. Hiraki's flip does NOT AT ALL improve Menalque's reads, and thus him claiming it does was inaccurate at best.

[Almost50]

VC 1.14

Jake The Wolfie (5) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa, Menalque [E-2]

Dunnstral (1) - teacher
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Bell (1) - Marashu
Menalque (1) - Dunnstral
Dannflor (1) - Bell
Marashu (1) - Dannflor
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie

Not voting: Gypyx

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Bell is V/LA until Monday.

Menalque is V/LA until August 21st.

"This VC is odd. Why are there so many voters not on the same person, but then you look at me and there are 5?"

Your predecessor managed to scum it up way too early, and nobody seemed to have outdone them so far.

[Almost50]

What do you think of dann a50?

Which part of "I am concealing my reads on D1" did you miss. mate? I am SRing Jake, and that's my one and only read for the day. IF that changes I will give you one other read.

P.S. I may have hinted TRs on 2-3 other slots. These may or may not have gotten stronger/weaker since then. I am not confirming or denying any +ve/-ve read on any other slot for the time being.

[Almost50]

I've started to do this on purpose because it's harder to draw out fake reads when you do this. You actually have to read the game. Might be inconvenient but it works.

Imagine the hell someone goes through when they want to ISO you on -say- D4 though. Imagine how someone who replaces in on D3/D4 feels.

[Almost50]

Biggest shift in reads - Hiraki moves up since I finally understood what they were saying, and dram down.

Could you elaborate on this? To my understanding; dram was defending Hiraki, so why does he move down when Hiraki moved up?

[Almost50]

Take it as a request to direct your attention there so I can see if i’m off base with my read of him then.

OK, he's not a top priority. Not too high on my read list but not in my bottom 2

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

Did you bring any bananas?

[Almost50]

I think you have like a really flawed view of how I approach games, and I think saying that I only trust my own reads is indicative of that because that's like, deeply not true

If you say so

[Almost50]

If we're not going to eliminate Jake after a vt claim then we shouldn't have asked him to claim at all. Eliminate teacher.

Are you new to MS, Dunn? /Sarcasm

Don't you know the Town needs to out most/all it's PRs on D1?

[Almost50]

@Menalque: You mean in the sense that I am typing in English??

But seriously, that's an interesting take. Tell me more. What similarities do you see?

[Almost50]

@Menalque: You mean in the sense that I am typing in English??

But seriously, that's an interesting take. Tell me more. What similarities do you see?

You seem very checked out from the game and uninterested in posting or solving people’s alignments. I know you’ve given reasons for this, but you also gave reasons for that in Anuket which turned out to just be a cover for not solving because you were scum. So why should I believe the reasons you’re giving this game for not having an interest or trying?

You don't have to believe anything. You have your vote to use on me if you think I am scum.

And good of you to bring Anuket, so I can explain my earlier post about your play to everyone else:

In Anuket; Menalque threw everything including the kitchen sink on Snow to be scum ans Mae to be town. Mae was eliminated and flipped scum, and we confirmed Snow as town (special mechanics); setting Menalque for an almost certain miselimination.

Earlier, I was town with Menalque in another game, and when it came down to him to decide between me and S_S (the remaining scum) he picked me despite both skitter (flipped Town Vig) and Ank (flipped Town JK) both having explicitly placed me at the very top of their reads (both showing much confidence I was town). Ank even crumbed she had jailed me on N1, but Menalque insisted she had targeted Bingle and ignored both hers and skitter's confident reads on me.

So.. that's what 1161 was all about. Anuket had not been over yet by then so I couldn't explicitly talk about it, but I guess the hint was clear enough for him to get what I was talking about.

Now let me address my disengagement in general:

I do NOT have a meta of being disengaged as a certain alignment

. There are multiple elements that can decide whether I'm checked out or not, and alignment isn't one of them. It is usually the case that when I am not active in a game that I am also inactive in all games I play at the same time. This is not a rule but is the dominant case. You can check for yourself. Go see what games have been going on at the same time I was playing Anuket and see if I was more active. Go check the games I was playing simultaneously with JK9++ and see if I was less active. It's a MOOD thing, not an alignment thing.

[Almost50]

But still, you are welcome to vote/push me and see if you can get anything out of it. At least you have a legitimate reason to suspect me this time (unlike in JK9++)

[Almost50]

I think you also misread me at one point in jk9++ towards the end/were suggesting I was scum?

?? You were the claimed Tracker in an open setup with no CC. How would I have suggested you were scum? I was asserting it was between Bingle and S_S

[Almost50]

Are going to have the post-game discussion of that game in here? I am sorry I gave you an advice. I retract that post. If I could I would have deleted it. Please treat it as non-existent.

[Almost50]

Okay, sorry if I’m being rude in my reaction or unpleasant

No no. You weren't rude. I just don't think this discussion is becoming way off topic form this thread.

[Almost50]

I just think this discussion is becoming way off topic form this thread. (rephrased what I said and left the "don't" incidentally)

[Almost50]

*Checks the players list*

1.. 2.. 3,4 .. 5 + 2 more = 7

Come on guys, we can do it. Only 6 more replacements needed.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

VOTE: a50

VOTE: A50

I trust you two

[Almost50]

RCEnigma replaces Testarossa.

Hello, comrade. You red or grey?

[Almost50]

A50, your move here.

Oh. Right. Queen takes Bishop.

[Almost50]

A50 who hates us and this thread.

My motto is: Hate the deed, not the doer. (I obviously suck at lying outright).

[Almost50]

BTW, RCE totally ignoring my existence (my first post was on page 2) is SCUM indicative.

[Almost50]

You’re fucking us if you’re town, you realize that right?

The wagon on SCUM is dissolving, and I am being wagoned as his CW. There are ways to fight back and stuff, but I am not in the mood to effort much, so flipping me should help still. When I do flip green the TOWN will realize I was the late CW to Jakem AND -even better- will have a pool (my wagon) for his partner too.

[Almost50]

Wait THE FUCK up! Aren't YOU voting me, Bell?? How does it work for you? (Voting me, but I'm "fucking you if Town")

[Almost50]

Almost get your ass back on Jake.
@Dann: Who said I was playing in good faith?

VOTE: Jake

Note: I want RCE more now though

[Almost50]

@Bell: Why are you voting me? And -more importantly- why are you TRing Jake? Save me no details.

[Almost50]

You complained about fluff and then you fluff posted and thread avoided.

Where did I complain about fluff?? I am currently in a mindset FOR fluff posting, so I don't think I would have complained, but you can quote it for me if you like.

[Almost50]

I like how A50 plays. I just want him to convince me he's town and/or why to vote for Jake.

I don't have/need to convince you of anything. I've already explained why I am not going to provide reads 9aside from the one my vote is on, which is obvious) and I also already explained why I am on Jake. If my reasoning doesn't convince you, just try someone else who also voted Jake (or his predecessor), and of still not convinced then don't vote him. *Shrug*

[Almost50]

Chemist1422 replaces Menalque.

Hi there. What colour is your PM? (Don't think. You've got 10 seconds to respond)

[Almost50]

UNVOTE: I'm a naughty naughty boy

Evil Naughty?

BTW, RCE totally ignoring my existence (my first post was on page 2) is SCUM indicative.

I will not fall to your mind games THIS time Monkey!

Evil mind games?

Spoiler:

I’d like to see crush slot post and I still want to hear from dunn and A50

I know this is the same session (at least for me) but I want you to NOT expect much from me at this time still. You know well (ar at least should) that I don't enter the game guns blazing (unless I am a replacement who got it with lots of substance readily available). You should be happy I am -at least- not meme'ing and shitposting enough. My mind is "elsewhere" for now, but I am "watching from the sideline" and will probably jump in sometime soon.

why the quotation marks
what does elsewhere in quotation marks mean
why are you implying that meme'ing and shitposting is scummy
wh

I have no idea "why you're asking these questions" and I don't like your post, but I'll answer "for the sake of answering".

1- Why the quotation: Using capitals is considered "shouting". Using bold/italics is considered "asserting". Using "quotations" is kind of "hinting".



2- I just told you I was "hinting". What, you can't take a hint?



OK, here's another: This is not the only game I am playing, nor is this my "one and only" account.

3- I did no such thing. I myself use memes a LOT, and it becomes annoying to "some" players.

4- And as for the last "wh".. I guess it's only proper to respond with:

Handsome post btw [/quote]

Evil handsome?

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Thing is, Im not really in love with any push RN either, certainly not enough to make one.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Chemist slot is bad unless he does the Chemist thing for redemption.

That should be apparent to several of you.

Chemist do the thing.

Get off your back four, get on top more

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Hiraki & Teacher is not a valid vote

But you can't deny it's a good name for a singing duo. Almost as good as Hall & Oates or Simon & Garfunkel

[Almost50]

I'm done

meme'ing

catching up. I am wondering why almost every is eager to start a CC to Jake's? If he is scum he only has ONE partner. If he is town he hasn't done a single thing to show it.

Conclusion: Everyone ON Jake currently is TOWN. His p is trying to save him AND the other team view him as a weak link they should not eliminate yet. IF he is town then all 4 scums are trying to eliminate a stronger player. Let's not forget he already claimed VT, so scum don't want that today.

[Almost50]

Err assuming you're town as well then scum just... Don't want to lynch town today?

That's what I'm getting out of that. Also conflicts with the sentiment scum is content with the gamestate, what do you think of that stance A50?

Maybe it's me, but I don't understand either of these two lines. Can you rephrase in a more evil phrasing?

[Almost50]

So, we're jerking around waiting for replacements? I can live with that. Then again, I've got nothing more to add at this time.

[Almost50]

This game is.. this game is

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

I... I can't believe my eyes! Did we just really have a hammer? Is the day over?? I thought this game was going to go on forever.

[Almost50]

RCEnigma has died during the night. He was a

Werewolf

Dannflor has died during the night. He was a

Vanilla Townie

Not bad. Not bad at all. Although I would have preferred a kill on the the other Goon so we can have more space, but we didn't lose any PRs and we are at an obvious advantage.

Waiting ti see if anyone has a guilty that would guarantee the elimination of one scum side.

[Almost50]

Caught up. My vote in on Bell in spirit. I don't see the point of a mass claim at this time.

[Almost50]

Massclaim?

Not the best move in my view. Here's why:

We do know we had a Town Cop. This means theoretically we may have (s) a Neapolitan or a Doctor (remaining Mafia is a Roleblocker), (b) a Tracker (remaining Mafia is a Rolecop), or (c) No more anti-Mafia PRs (remaining Mafioso is a Goon)

It is abundantly clear Nea/Doc become useless after a massclaim, and Tracker could still catch the Rolecop if they're not outed. If it's a lone Cop then the Goon can fake any of the fore-mentioned 3.

Furthermore, although we have eliminated the WWs, there's a Guardian or an Auditor out there and we don't want them outed today either.

Mathematically we are at 7-1 now. Assuming 3 PRs alive, Nea can give us 2 clear results, unless they've checked a PR. Doctor shouldn't claim if that's the one alive, and Tracker can only give us one clear.

Assuming 2 PRs alive (Seer + Auditor/Guardian) there is absolutely no point in a massclaim.

So, IF and ONLY IF there is a Neapolitan with TWO clears they should claim first, as it would put us on an auto-win. Otherwise, no massclaim for me.

[Almost50]

VC 1.26

Jake The Wolfie (5) - dramonic, Hiraki, Marashu, Almost50, Bell [E-2]

teacher (2) - Dunnstral, RCEnigma
Dunnstral (2) - PenguinPower, teacher
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie
Marashu (1) - Dannflor

Not voting: Chemist1422

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 deadline is currently frozen at 4 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes until replacements are found.

Marashu has been prodded.

Last mafia is probably in Penguin/Gamma/Teacher/Chemist. It can likely be narrowed down further from pr claims and actions tomorrow

Dunn probably checked in RCE/Dann (both N1 kills). First off, I very much doubt he would have checked ON the wagon (for obvious reasons). Second, He listed ALL LIVING PLAYERS off the wagon at the time of the quoted VC, which means he couldn't clear any of them.

His only post after that was:

Of those, Chemist/Teacher both basically said 'whatever' and voted jake at the last moment, while Penguin was actively campaigning for anybody else he could convince. Gamma did a bit where he asked someone why they thought jake was town, then a few posts later said they were considering lobbying against the wagon, but after reading decided against it. Kind of weird progression

Which -again- confirms he didn't have a clear on any of the 4 slots.

[Almost50]

auditor/guardian should claim if they're in the PoE

ONLY if they are being wagoned. As long as we don't have a lol!hammer I think we are good.

[Almost50]

I am VT and I dunno what to say. It looks like my 1882 fell on deaf ears (or rather "blind eyes"). What are you all thinking? Why the freak are we outing the unknown PRs? Neither dram nor teacher were in danger of being wagoned today, so WHY CLAIM?

[Almost50]

Fair enough. I didn't think about it that way. I was considering all options still. I thought Doctor could have saved a kill to confirm a townie.

OK. NVM. Carry on.

[Almost50]

Actually, dram didn't know you were Auditor with 2 clears when he claimed. That still makes it a bad move on principle. What if you (teacher) were Guardian instead? In that case we would have had 3 "exposed" PRs sentenced to death.

But OK.. it turned out to be for the best, so I can't complain

[Almost50]

CC'ing Doc with this many townies alive? All by themselves?

You can't be serious.

If I was a Goon I probably would have CC'd. dram is the town leader and there's no way he's getting eliminated otherwise. At night I remove the Auditor to prevent any further "false" confirmations (or worse, him checking me and finding me out). Tomorrow we eliminate Chemist and I shoot any of you/PP/Marashu (doesn't matter cuz marashu can't catch me), and then we eliminate Hiraki (the only one seemingly unconfirmed) and it's game over (me vs 2 confirmed townies going into the night).

Nice play, dram. Really nice play

P-edit: WAIT! You bring up another angle I never really considered. You probably would NOT have been eliminated today because that would have been really poor play if you were scum, so you probably would have been acquitted. Hmmm...

[Almost50]

So, recalculating: dram becomes un-eliminatable (is that a word?), and with 2 PRs and 2 "falsely" confirmed townies; scum!me would have been cornered. Geez! That's even BETTER play by dram than I thought it was.

[Almost50]

Scum never counter claims today or tomorrow because if they do, we can eliminate both claimants and autowin.

Actually, you're spot on. I was looking at it from the wrong perspective. 2 contradicting claims = one is scum, guaranteed, and we only have one scum alive so eliminate both and auto-win is correct.

[Almost50]

I am going to stop arguing/thinking about this because I keep mixing theory with reality. Like, I started thinking that it could still be PP/chkflip (albeit in theory) and considered I could have been eliminated along with dram (if I was a PR) and then Hiraki and chemist would probably be "mis"eliminated, totally forgetting that if I was a PR then PP/chkflip would have been

truthfully

confirmed and chemist/Hiraki would not both miseliminations to begin with. I probably need to take break now to give my brain a little break (doing 3-4 things at the same time has that effect, but I can't help it.. I'm a Gemini)

[Almost50]

I don't know. I

assumed

he targets someone off wagon (as he implied that was his pool) but then he didn't hint he had a clear on any of the living 3 at the time, so I again

assumed

he targeted Dann or RCE

[Almost50]

VC 1.26

Jake The Wolfie (5) - dramonic, Hiraki, Marashu, Almost50, Bell [E-2]

teacher (2) - Dunnstral, RCEnigma
Dunnstral (2) - PenguinPower, teacher
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie
Marashu (1) - Dannflor

Not voting: Chemist1422

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 deadline is currently frozen at 4 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes until replacements are found.

Marashu has been prodded.

Last mafia is probably in Penguin/Gamma/Teacher/Chemist. It can likely be narrowed down further from pr claims and actions tomorrow

Dunn probably checked in RCE/Dann (both N1 kills). First off, I very much doubt he would have checked ON the wagon (for obvious reasons). Second, He listed ALL LIVING PLAYERS off the wagon at the time of the quoted VC, which means he couldn't clear any of them.

His only post after that was:

Of those, Chemist/Teacher both basically said 'whatever' and voted jake at the last moment, while Penguin was actively campaigning for anybody else he could convince. Gamma did a bit where he asked someone why they thought jake was town, then a few posts later said they were considering lobbying against the wagon, but after reading decided against it. Kind of weird progression

Which -again- confirms he didn't have a clear on any of the 4 slots.

Dunn's 4 were all the living players off the wagon at the time of this VC (aside from himself). chemist/teacher both joined the wagon later on, so I deduced Dunn had all 6 players off wagon in his pool and checked one, and when that one (and another) flipped he removed them from the pool, but had no clear to announce or crumb.

[Almost50]

@Hiraki: Seeding doubt without offering a proper alternative isn't going to swat anyone's opinion. You need to (a) Town!case chemist, and/or (b) Scum!case whomever you suspect to be scum over chemist.

Can you please do that ASAP? I really don't want to wait for 8 more days to end the game (I'd have nothing much to say for the rest of the day).

[Almost50]

Also the assumption that I'm right, cuz Menalque was absurdly scummy and makes sense as a partner for jake.

I also did a quick ISO of Triple vs Menalque and saw all the signs I needed to stay the course. Triple voting Menalque in RVS then quickly switching off him. Menalque calling early votes on her rude and seesawing her for almost all day.. etc.. etc.

But if Hiraki wants to argue otherwise I guess I can give him his space, provided he doesn't just stall the game and end up bringing nothing new to the table.

[Almost50]

I also TR Hiraki. I may have suspected him to be on the opposite alignment of Jake on D1, but we were lucky enough both WWs were eliminated by the end of D2. (Funnily enough, I suspected YOU (dram) might be Hiraki's scum buddy)

[Almost50]

I see both Hiraki and teacher have reached a decision. Should I hammer now?

[Almost50]

Aight

VOTE: chemist

[Almost50]

Anyways, chkflip today ja?

Does it matter much? I mean, it' either him or PP for me. On a

personal level

I like both players and hate to go hard on either (and hate more to be wrong on them, which is obviously a 50-50 shot now). However, emotions aside I can't see past them two.

I actually did ISO the slot vs the Hake slot (Jake was the 2nd player on the slot, and chk was the 3rd on his own slot). I could find any direct conversation going on between ANY of them. I may have missed something (I skimmed) but it looked to me like when one party was present the other wasn't even posting at all.

So, yeah.. I guess chkflip is the way to go. Gamma really didn't impress after a promising entrance. He just didn't live up to it.

[Almost50]

I meant his very first post. This one:

Sup folks

I noticed the playerlist for this game was looking fantastic and I also took an interest in the setup since I played the first-ever 2fold matrix6 so I'm here now

no bulli pls

There's a certain tone of... enjoyment?? Excitement? I dunno.. it just felt cheerful.

[Almost50]

That's .. not actually helping. If it's not you then you need to help us see why, and/or find said last mafioso

[Almost50]

Wait! Why do you say "two mislynches"? You TR PP too? If so, please explain.

[Almost50]

No one said he knew that. We (myself and teacher) said it was bad play. STILL, it could not have come from Scum because if we were not in column C he would have been CC'd and eliminating both would have lost him the game. Now if he was the remaining Goon then he knew he wouldn't be CC'd, but then he would NOT have retracted the claim.

[Almost50]

exhibit A)
If I were scum, nobody questionned my claim. I can shoot you tonight and win because we autolynch chemist, almost and hiraki.

Why has the list changed?

Now I know you're feigning ignorance. I had been suspecting it, but this one here confirms it.

VOTE: Chkflip

[Almost50]

Can someone who isn't me explain this to chk, cuz he's clearly not getting it and I'm the last person he's willing to listen to <_<

In my personal experience with him, chkflip is way way too smart for this. He's playing dumb which is unbecoming of the astute player he is (and especially so in the mechanics department).

[Almost50]

The second quote hints that you knew this to be the outcome (no counterclaim), so now you're riding even higher after slamming the goon to the rails early game.

WAit. So, you're saying dram id the Goon.. who knew he wouldn't be CC'd if he claimed Doctor (or Nea or Tracker), and he then decided to retract the claim "just because"?? I don't get it.

In my world (which is obviously a different one than the one you're living in) the gambit already paid off when he claimed Doctor. He already set the game to auto with a 3-players elimination pool. He shoots the Auditor (the only one that can confirm he was no PR) and sits back while we do all the work for him.

So, I ask again: WHY would he retract the claim at all?

[Almost50]

Because you don't live through 3 mislynches with "lolroleblocked" as your excuse? Fucking duh?

Why not? If the Mafia are multitasking, and you are the only PR that could stop their kill, then why the hell wouldn't you get RB'd every single night from then on? What would the Scum RB has to do with their RB ability?

[Almost50]

Like

Mar is the only conf!town here. So why have 50 and Hiraki been traded for myself and PP? Because Teach confirmed we're vanilla? Where's the solve there, exactly? Why me over 50? Why PP over Hiraki? There is no logical step between "let's lynch these guys" to "no let's lynch those guys instead" aside from the fact that we were confirmed to be vanilla by the dead PR. That's not solving. That's not even close to fucking solving. There. Is. No. Logic. There.

"That was before I retracted my claim" is a fucking excuse at best, dude.

Where's the case?

I now honestly dunno if you're pulling an act or if you REALLY can't wrap your head around it.

Let me try this ONE MORE TIME just in case:

1- We are either in a 2 Goons scenario or we are not.
2- If we are then there are no Mafia PRs and the Auditor's results are useless
3- If we are not then there IS a Mafia PR and the Auditor's results become handy 9as they confirm you and PP as not being it)

When dram fake claimed we were working under the assumption that the Mafia did have a PR (a Roleblocker), thus both you and PP were cleared because teacher checked you both and confirmed you are no PRs.

However, when dram retracted it became abundantly clear we are in the 2 Goons setup, and thus the clears on you and PP automatically vanished into thin air. They're no more. You are no PR, but the remaining Mafia is also not a PR. NO CLEAR.

We are thus back to square 1 and nobody is mechanically confirmed except Marashu. You're right on that one.

We now inspect everyone's play through the game (back to good old scumhunting).

Now, based on the above.. can you tell me who are the most likely suspects and why??

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Where the freak is the featherless bird?

[Almost50]

Nothing worth commenting since I last posted. Waiting for the bird with the black tuxedo to come out of VLA

[Almost50]

I am at a loss.

@Hiraki: Why am I Scum to you? I don't even see this tunnel coming from Scum!You, so I am really puzzled as to why you are considering me at all, let alone making me your strongest suspect. Could you please lay your case?

[Almost50]

I was of the same opinion as dram, but now I am second guessing myself and am considering Hiraki! His "solve" is most bizarre that it makes more sense if he is sly scum. He knows it's quite unlikely that I/dram get eliminated today. The point of him declaring us two as his solve would be to wash his hands off from the miselimination about to happen on either Chk/PP, so that he appears like the one person smart enough to realize it was a miselimination, AND to guarantee the 4-players ME-Lo has all "other" surviving players pointing fingers at each other and never suspecting him.

[Almost50]

I wasn't paying much attention then because I genuinely believed the game was over. Now I am back to my "think out of the box" self, and I am considering everything more carefully, and I now have Hiraki as my top SR!!

[Almost50]

Ok, but with the gamestate the way it is, why would agreeing with chk/PP bring suspicion onto Hiraki? Likewise, why is standing out like this not drawing attention and raising suspicions?

I don't fully get the question (or rather.. I'm not sure I do, so please rephrase it if this is not what you're asking).

Q: Why would agreeing with chk/PP bring suspicion onto Hiraki?

A: I didn't say he was agreeing with them (and he is not, because -to my understanding- PP has Chk/Hiraki over A50/dram in his solve, and chk has PP/dram over A50/Hiraki). What i am saying is Hiraki -maybe- knows both PP/Chk are Town (because HE is the remaining Goon), and by declaring me/dram as his solve he is absolving himself of the miselimination about to fall on either of Chk/PP. he shoots you tonight and tomorrow he continues his push on me?dram while the survivor of Chk/PP pushes for dram/Hiraki; respectively. I should be on said survivor and so should dram (at least that's how it looked like back then), so he has a chance to quick!hammer once both I and dram had voted.

Q: Why is standing out like this not drawing attention and raising suspicions?

A: I am assuming you're asking about my changed stance?? If so, because I only considered Hiraki as a consequence to his odd PoE. I clearly had him down as Town earlier.

PP also brought to attention the fact Hiraki also was against the Chemist Elimination. From my own PoV it was the Elimination that would end the game on the spot. I didn't even pay much attention to analyzing anything else at the time because i thought the game was over, so -in retrospect- it was an odd stance too.

I am not saying Hiraki is 100% Scum here (I always struggle to read him properly) but I am now thinking he very well could be.

[Almost50]

if im scum, why don't i just do this and vote chkflp?

Because tomorrow the living 3 townies will be most paranoid and will probably reset, reevaluate and try to form reads from scratch.

[Almost50]

Why would Hiraki agreeing with a {chk/PP} solve make him suspicious?

I've just explained it, but to reiterate: it is a usual practice for town players to reset their reads and try to solve the game from scratch on E-Lo/MyLo. It's not like we were going to eliminate in chk/PP and if wrong just eliminate the other automatically.

[Almost50]

Why would Hiraki making a move against the {chk/PP} solve instead of sheeping it not draw attention?

It did draw my attention. Scum would need to make a call between 2 evils here: Try to earn some phony towncred or try to blend in. Both has it's cons and it's pros.

[Almost50]

Actally. Yo, dram. Remember the "partner vote in rvs" tell?

As you can tell, I didn't read the OP

Bad practice

VOTE: TripleHaven

Floats on that for the longest, then an

actual

showing of LAMIST.

VOTE: A50

VOTE: a50

VOTE: A50

I trust you two

Then, when questioned on his shit, ezpz townpoints.

Almost get your ass back on Jake.
@Dann: Who said I was playing in good faith?

VOTE: Jake

Note: I want RCE more now though

It's definitely 50. My bad dram. I should read more often.

1- That wasn't RVS. It was a legit vote.
2- I wasn't "questioned". I was TOLD TO get my vote back there.

I have not much more to add. It's up to PP/Marashu to lay the hammer now.

@Hiraki: Regardless of your true alignment, congrats ion having messed up the game even more. If you're Scum; that was HILARIOUS play. If you're Town... no comment.

[Almost50]

It started with y vote on him in RVS (which was semi-serious). Not reading the OP is bad and especially so coming from someone who is "new to the site". Then I didn't like his tone and his responses strike me as manufactured (as in.. text book responses). I don't have a better target to vote right now, and I like dram for town, so this is where I want my vote to be still.

[Almost50]

Can you read between the brackets? It was a Semi-Serious vote (as serious as you can get on PAGE ONE).

[Almost50]

why say this if you SR me lol

Because I am OBVIOUSLY not confident in anything anymore.

[Almost50]

Yes.. I'm confident that if you are town I do not want to comment. I do not want to eat a ban.

[Almost50]

Like, this is the strangest response I would have ever expected! "Confident enough to say no comment"???????

[Almost50]

I don't think it coulf PP AT ALL now. He had more than his fair chance to hammer me already, but he didn't. With everyone else turning on me there's no benefit for him to defend me if he is Scum.

[Almost50]

@Almost: Actual thoughts IRT the fakeclaim plz ^_^;

It's in the Mafia PT. I made the right call by NOT CC'ing bc I would have (falsely) confirmed the VTs. I needed them for the slaughter.

[Almost50]

I know. What I'm saying is it did me more good than bad. I was considering fakeclaiming Doc myself, but when you did it you made it even better for me (because I would have had to push you for Scum if I claimed Doctor with 2 false confirmations)

[Almost50]

Well, if it makes you feel better I was gonna shoot you over Marashu.

[Almost50]

[Almost50]

You played fine, hiraki/dram just played terribly yet somehow this town carried them to a win

Are you for real??? It was these particular two who brought down my team. dram tunneling my p on D1 and Hiraki tunneled me for last 2 game days.