Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

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Dann - catch me up. I don't want to read 48 pages.

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Dann! Your avatar and username have changed!

Freaky.

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Spoiler:

Did you bring any bananas?

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Why are you voting Marashu?

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VOTE: Marashu

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I mean - I have an opinion of that wagon simply because it's been the only major wagon so far.

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If we'd rather try to end the day early and use the flip to get information, then that's also worthwhile.

What informationdo you think we're going to get out of the flip that's worth ending the day early?

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who should I vote for PP

Marashu seems a good vote rn.

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well like, ur alignment would show bro, so we'd know if you were town or scum

"That is a non-answer to my question. How would my alignment be more informative than, say, executing Penguin?"

You’ve done more this game than I have for one.

What made you use me as an example?

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ain't it grand how things work out

Indeed.

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Why would we not

keep in mind I still need to read

Because I’m beautiful.

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What am I looking at there?

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Are you saying that penguin is better than me and gamma combined.

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Scummy to townie left to right I think.

(scumpool) ~(pool if any names in scumpool green) ~~(extended scumpool if more than a couple names green/people get conf!d by role) ---- townreads > weaker > towards > stronger

Ty

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Woohoo, I’m glad my Danntell is correct this time.

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Penguin, is that what you were thinking when you commented on Jake being the only major wagon this game?

Yep. Still think that a partner would be doing some sort of subtle deflection especially given its mutliball.

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I'm honestly pretty ambivalent towards a Jake elimination. I think it gives info and definitely isn't the worst choice

I'm slightly skeeved by the fact that no real counter wagon has sprung up this entire game

But that might be bad logic considering we only have 2 man scum teams instead of one 4 man scum team

"There appears to have been one rising vote magnet: Marashu. I wouldn't call them the counter to myself, but it is interesting to see how they reached 3 votes from execution."

That’s explicitly what a counterwagon is.

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Penguin, is that what you were thinking when you commented on Jake being the only major wagon this game?

Yep. Still think that a partner would be doing some sort of subtle deflection especially given its mutliball.

Subtle deflection maybe, although I think it's somewhat difficult for a two man scum team to successfully drive up a counter wagon on their own in a game of this size.

I suppose Jake gets some points for his low survivalism. His vote only came out very recently and on Hiraki.

Mass vanity wagons isn’t indicative of subtle deflection (or any deflection) attempt.

Also - depends who is on that two man scum team.

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Counterpoint: Menalque just put Jake solidly in their scumpool but has called Jake slot town all game

Could you do a quick review of the “all game” for me?

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Thx. Order is somewhat important, but only relative to Mena’s comments and vote. I’ll review more in depth in the morning, but it’s not really damning on first glance give context.

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@Gamma:
Sorry, if I just missed it while catching up, what is your take on Dann and teacher, if you are town on Hiraki? Or are you only wary about Mena on those, that are pushing him?

Teacher is a townread
Dann is eh

Obligatory...why?

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..do you really wanna get into a theory discussion at E-1.
Wanna share a reads list??

Jake checks his pocketwatch.

"Oh, I would love to give each detail I could, but it is late. Here is a list I have stiched together:

Myself
Sir Penguin
Sir Menalque
Some of the riff raff, and classfull
Sir Hiraki"

This is a list. Yes.

What does it mean?

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That penguin is hurting my self esteem man

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Cool, we got a penguin. Can we keep him?

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So besides the advantage of knowing whether we hit scum or not (and I do think there's a decent chance of this slot flipping scum), having a wagon to analyze, and NKs, because this is multiball if we can end the day before the scum teams have things sorted, doesn't that mean there's a better chance they hit the other team rather than town? I remember hearing that it's usually to town's benefit to have a shorter D1, and 2 of the 3 games where I lost as scum had D1 end early, if I recall correctly. I'd imagine that especially applies in multiball.

You're a bit more likely to be lying about your innocence. That said, Gypyx wasn't terribly towny in those few posts, and PP's sheep onto me didn't look terribly good either, so there's also a fair chance of hitting scum there.

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I'm slightly uneasy with the timing of dann's big post on why I'm town but willing to let it slide mostly on the basis of his V/LA

No worries. Dann is town or at least it doesn’t matter to you.

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Jake, why so confident on the gypyx/Penguin slot?

Good question.

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Then there is Sirs Grypyx and PenguinPower. In general, Mr. Grypyx has a certain.. pure aura around them."

This doesn’t actually say anything.

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Kill, Dann? That will have to wait until we eliminate someone.

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Hmm. I like Bell.

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VOTE: A50

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hmm

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Hmm...

You’re assuming an experienced partner who could also not coach to a dumb tell. Not really a good reason.

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I think you missed my point.

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Ok. Why is TH scum?

I never said he was, and I'm not voting for him. I just don't agree with your reasoning.

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Who is scum, Dunn?

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Feels like a good percentage of this game is very content with this game state.

We're kinda in limbo rn...unless we want to go ahead and push through the A50 elim.

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Don't really understand why this hasn't been lynched yet tbh.

"Mayhaps it's because we don't lynch here."

Why don't you get off your vanity wagon that isn't going to happen?

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hmm

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Or Jake that stopped doing anything the second the votes kind of sort of moved off.

Yep.

I think the problem here is that people don't like how A50 plays. But I could be wrong.

I like how A50 plays. I just want him to convince me he's town and/or why to vote for Jake.

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I like how A50 plays. I just want him to convince me he's town and/or why to vote for Jake.

I don't have/need to convince you of anything. I've already explained why I am not going to provide reads 9aside from the one my vote is on, which is obvious) and I also already explained why I am on Jake. If my reasoning doesn't convince you, just try someone else who also voted Jake (or his predecessor), and of still not convinced then don't vote him. *Shrug*

I didn't read anything prior to my entry so I must have missed it.

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I like how A50 plays. I just want him to convince me he's town and/or why to vote for Jake.

I don't have/need to convince you of anything. I've already explained why I am not going to provide reads 9aside from the one my vote is on, which is obvious) and I also already explained why I am on Jake. If my reasoning doesn't convince you, just try someone else who also voted Jake (or his predecessor), and of still not convinced then don't vote him. *Shrug*

I didn't read anything prior to my entry so I must have missed it.

Please read the game.

Oh. That won’t happen prior to the point I replaced in.

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Oh shoot. A50 is town.

UNVOTE:

Hi, chemist.

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VOTE: chemist

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Feels like a good percentage of this game is very content with this game state.

We're kinda in limbo rn...unless we want to go ahead and push through the A50 elim.

^ Pretty much. I don't think this is a game state thing since the only way to move my reads forward is to reread the thread again and I will die before that happens day 1.

I mean, I dont disagree with the gamestate/replacement comment, but I dont agree with it either. I guess I kinda feel like scum is content with where things are, and so are letting them sit. Im discontented with where things are, but just dont have that much will to do anything about it with all the subbing out. I joined this game to play with mena and billy tbh. I really like many of the players here, including some recent replacements, but just dont have WIM right now, and am about to start the crazy week of back-to-school.

So - you have a reason for not caring, but everyone else not caring is because scum is content with gamestate and not because there is actually a reason they may not be caring. Hmmm....ok.

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Oh shoot. A50 is town.

UNVOTE:

Hi, chemist.

Why A50 town?

Mostly because I like memeing with him and I just saw some good ones, along with other reasons I want to wait to say.

We have time.

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Too close, sorry.

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He’s here!

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Vote your buddy plz

Specificity is nice.

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Sorry. Hard for me to understand your meaning with a wishywashy comment like that. Thanks for expounding.

Maybe move to push a new elim then given your views.

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Chemist slot is bad unless he does the Chemist thing for redemption.

That should be apparent to several of you.

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Ooh...tomorrow will be fun.

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No. I'm not an alt. I played here with 2 other accounts 6 years ago.

tbf...if you played here previously and are on a different account - you are an alt.

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I won’t comment beyond what I said, and it’s not relevant to this game, so moving on.

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I'm confused what PP found problematic about this slot? If it was Chemist's entrance I'm interested in that. But unless Chemist takes a severe downturn I'm just not gonna worry about this slot.

So..............

drunk!penguin though Chemist replaced Gamma not Mena. I guess I confused the back to back mod posts.

UNVOTE:

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We have similar reads absent the dramonic read btw.

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I did one not that long ago. Don’t think it’s changed. Good to know you’ve iso Ed me before your vote. Remember the last time you repped in w me?

I haven't iso'd anyone, I'm reading current posts and whatever has been posted up to page 22.

I think there is a highly probability there is scum within you, Hiraki, menalque, maybe Dunn but I'm townreading him currently. Would you agree?

Why are you townreading Dunn?

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And why are you townreading Dunn? I mean, misreading someone is one thing, but pretending to be able to read that slot based on its content

I don't read dunnstral at all actually. But I do like where his head is at.

Uh...you said you townread him. What about where his head is at do you like?

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I meant dann, autocorrect gets funky.

Ah. Nvm.

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Penguin and Dannflor, walk me through your reasons for town reading A50?

I gave mine last night

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Penguin and Dannflor, walk me through your reasons for town reading A50?

I gave mine last night

No, You said you liked meming with him and you wouldn't explain the other reason.

Yes. I said this:

Mostly because I like memeing with him and I just saw some good ones, along with other reasons I want to wait to say.

We have time.

I’m not sure why you felt pressing further would do much.

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Dann should probably move his vote if he trs A50 though.

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VOTE: Dunn

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No, but he doesn’t have to since he replied in to Mena’s slot, not Gamma’s.

As for A50, I obviously have a reason or I wouldn’t have said what I did.

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guess not

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I dunno how you can have the gamma slot that high tbh.

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Yep. Never played with gamma before nor experienced multi replacements in a single slot.

Never.

Not once.

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Good point considering the wagon.

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And the only other person on A50 stated a townread so.....

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Bell didn’t have a decent response and gamma was not acting like town gamma since my replace in.

That comment was trash.

Lol

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@Penguin: He was quite townie from replace in.

Tbh, I isod him after this and I don’t agree.

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It’s cool. We can call things trash without discussion. This is mafia!

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Agree with teach’s explanation and minus points to dramonic for being....something. I’ll think of the word later.

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Wait, why is Penguin so high? Is this because he's better than me?

Yes.

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Intent to hammer

Can’t be bothered to answer questions or....do much of anything can you?

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Uh, PP I slightly town read because of his progression on me and sheeping of my vote when he originally reaplced in which I think is exactly how town PP would approach replacing into a 50 page game. He could be going for a pocket on me quite possibly but he's fit what I'd expect from his town MO this game and he hasn't been afraid to argue with people at all which is bonus points

I totally would try to pocket you as scum FYI.

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I need a thesaurus for this one.

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Penguin, could you elaborate on what the chemist thing is?

Uh...not yet. No.

I’m actually becoming a little concerned about the slot, but tbf didn’t read Mena’s hundreds of posts prior to my coming in.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=150&t=81719

Most I will give atm

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tbh I have a gut townread on you but this is a multiball and D1 so we’ll see.

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For example: not a fan of the jake vote of a50

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*off

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Jake is an easy wagon with a paused deadline. I haven’t seen a good reason for him over someone like Dunn or Marashu besides “gamestate.”

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gosh, I wonder if reading the game you replace in would help

Actually it wouldn't, smartass. There's a reason I don't read up on replace in beyond laziness.

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Again, reading the game would help. But let's not even say that - you don't even need to read the game. You're going to tell me that Jake>Dunn? Really?

I'm going to tell you that Jake>Dunn, really. Like...really really.

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discussing it would require us to talk about the game before you replaced in, something you don't seem too fond in doing

Not sure where I said that. Not reading 48 pages on replace in /= not willing to talk about things that happened prior to replace in. Point them out.

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It's mostly a waste of time for me since I get most of my reads from interactions with people.

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discussing it would require us to talk about the game before you replaced in, something you don't seem too fond in doing

Not sure where I said that. Not reading 48 pages on replace in /= not willing to talk about things that happened prior to replace in. Point them out.

so i now need to feed you the information in the game? hmm

TIL pointing out the things you want to discuss is feeding people information.

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i don't agree with the above but i don't think it's worth an argument

discussing it would require us to talk about the game before you replaced in, something you don't seem too fond in doing

i don't want to discuss them, they've already been discussed. that's my entire point

TIL you can have an entire point that's different from what you said but people should understand that!

What a trash response.

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Are you for real lol,

You didn't say that you didn't want to discuss because they'd already been discuss, so it wasn't your entire point until you decided you wanted it to be.

Mena was probs right about you.

(also, not butthurt, just making fun of your use of trash because it's lame)

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Dann, why not Dunn? Why Mara? (to be clear, Im not opposed, Im just wondering why -- if you are opposed to Jake as it appears -- you wouldnt go where there was already two bodies.)

Good question. I’m fine with Mara as well, but Dunn is equally unimpressive so why restart there.

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Tbf you are one of the largest wagons with a paused deadline.

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Fair, and probably right.

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VOTE: Bell

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Chem > Hiraki > A50 then?

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Because of the setup and the flipped roles.

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VOTE: Chemist

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Also chk... It's an open setup, read the setup stuff plz

Town Cop is in four seperate slots, dude.

So please understand how I'm absolutely fucking perplexed here.

Perhaps look at the columns.

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Prod received. Sorry, it’s Labor Day weekend.

vla until Monday.

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Chkflip > Hiraki > A50 > dramonic > Marashu

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VOTE: chkflip

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i don't see PP being scum after menalque's ISO and his read on gypx (admittedly menalque didn't do anything but i feel that was his idea of a safe ML)

wut?

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tbf I somewhat agree about dram, but I think he intentionally made things harder on himself if he is scum and he’s not me so I don’t know that he would do that...

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He did the same thing with chemist.

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?????????

im willing to make a mistake here but im gonna be so mad if i was right in the post game

Vote: Chemist

lol

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Don’t ??????? me then?

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...

wut? I’m having a really tough time tracking your thought process here.

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Literally has no bearing in your thought process.

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tbf, I never defended Jake outside of my view of how the wagon formed. Also, I can count on two fingers the amount of times I have defended a scum buddy which is part of my hesitation on dram.

Though, if your going to put me in your poe, you should vote me today so I don’t have to go to f4/3 and deal with that.

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No no no. You don't get to swoop in here with that.

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god...i'm rethinking chkflip

UNVOTE:

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well...yeah.

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I mean - obviously I prefer Hiraki over A50 so could someone sell me on scum!A50 (with a little more than chk)?

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I don't think it coulf PP AT ALL now. He had more than his fair chance to hammer me already, but he didn't. With everyone else turning on me there's no benefit for him to defend me if he is Scum.

tbf I’ve just been waiting for someone to give me a reason to. But no one has, and no one has given me a reason why Hiraki is town. Unfortunately, it does appear that you are the elim today since apparently Hiraki is townread for whatever reason.

lol.

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For the townpoints? For the memes? For the WIFOM you just inserted? C'mon dude. You're not even trying at this point.

I would be meming if it was for the memes.

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Yes. I said that already. Come up with an original thought pls.

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On a wagon that was the leading wagon for almost the entirety of it...

Also, that’s dram’s argument.

lol

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I’ve literally asked for reasons why A50 is scum. I literally asked you for shit and you just say lol which is why I’m just loling you.

So, instead of being a disingenuous, flippant dip maybe provide me with something that I can read and listen to.

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Or, wait for Marashu ig

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I mean - I’m also willing to vote for you if there is support.

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It does?

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Or you go to a happy ending loop.

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Then we no elim again. They won't happy ending. No balls.

Agree. That was my point, sorry.