Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Jake The Wolfie]

TripleHaven stepped aside into a dark alley for just a minute. Ungodly screeching was heard, but no one dared to look. After a few minutes, a familiar orange wolf with the red mark around his right eye walked out.

"Hello Everyone! Sorry, I came on so short of a notice and, well, I didn't have time to not horribly mutilate TripleHaven's body. I shall read up on the game in a few minutes, while I get adjusted into their biology. Change takes a lot of time on the inside, after all."

[Jake The Wolfie]

VC 1.10

Jake The Wolfie (4) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa [E-3]
Hiraki (2) - Menalque, Bell
teacher (2) - Marashu, Dunnstral
Dunnstral (2) - teacher, Dannflor
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald

Not voting: Gypyx, Jake The Wolfie

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Dannflor is V/LA until Saturday sometime.

(This is for my convenience, and is not a mod-approved vote count.)

Jake sorts out a few things first.

UNVOTE:

"I don't partake in my vote lingering on someone for whom I don't have strong feelings about one way or the other. I can understand all 4 votes on me however. Could the four fine and lovely people voting me detail an explanation for voting this body? Optionally, could everyone else explain their votes on who they chose? Be a doll and do it for me, thanks."

Jake is seen flipping through a notebook, with the title

[OPEN 789 TRANSCRIPT]

on the cover, in big, bolded letters.

[Jake The Wolfie]

It means that I am recognising a truth universally acknowledged, that a single dannflor in possession of his wits, must be in the process of being inevitably TR by Menalque

I would lowkey expect that opposite after Ali vs. Pine

I feel like we’ve played since then and you were scum and I TR you again? I could be wrong though

Wait, no I’m not, it was when you were hydra’d with I wanna say ank and I was the only posting head of a hydra and you KILLED me on NIGHT ONE despite me AHRD TOWNREADING YOU and despite the fact that I WOULD HAVE WON had I just activated my “die on N1” win condition!

Jake's fingers rubbed against some specific text, then called out to Menalque with the quotes in hand.

"Menalque.. what exactly is this? I am having quite a hard time comprehending what you have said."

[Jake The Wolfie]

I lowkey suspect this setup is gonna feel really weird

4 scum to 9 town is inherently unbalanced so yes, it's very werid lol

it's 2-2-9, not 4-9

Jake noted to himself

"They are essentially the same thing. Although, yes, 2 of the 4 need to kill the other 2, and vice versa."

[Jake The Wolfie]

...please read the entire post if you want to understand the two people and how they come into play. i just did it and i got annoyed because i was being babyish. i'm not explaining it. your hint is that it's clearly melanque and me and i don't know how i have to explain more than that

Jake looked puzzlingly at Hiraki

"Hiraki, I've notice a trend whenever you don't want to answer something. Whenever you don't wish to answer, you simply don't explain it, instead leaving it up the the questioner to find the answer from you. Why do you dodge these questions instead of properly answering them?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

to the dramonic post:

1. you say i'm "spamming" the newb card then point out 2 posts. Apparently 2 posts is spamming. Also, it wasn't even spamming the newb card, it was spamming the "i'm new to this site" card which ARE DIFFERENT
2. and you were expecting me to explain my vote change back then... why? it was RvS, the votes literally didn't matter. The "umulaut was sheeping" thing wasn't even being serious to begin with either. Umulaut voting was like, the second post of the game
3. ???? how does this make me scum ????
4. Or maybe, instead of "caught for the wrong reason" it's "towny pushing against the dumbest reason to scumread them they've ever seen" I've been ML'd like 10+ times and that last part isn't even an exaggeration.
5. It's not even an allusion of content, I was just confused about the post in general.

This almost caused Jake to set the transcript on fire, with how terrible it looked.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Which benefits exactly are you expecting to see by concealing your reads?

Protecting my TRs. Plain and simple.

Jake Scoffed at Almost50.

"Pray tell Almost50, why would the evils that plague this town begin to care about what you think specifically?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

...Serious question, since I have been away for a couple years: What's with the new lingo of exile and gylo or whatever that was. Like I understand what people mean, but did we decide that lynch was no longer pc?...

Serious Answer: I believe this has something to do with popularity. No one wants to be caught dead on the "hating minorities" side of history, so they make themselves more approachable by purging any (official) uses of lynch, due to it's ties with being a form of oppression in the US against black minorities. Don't quote me on that, though, but that is what I've collected from the few other mafia sites I play on.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake looks up from the transcript, closing it shut.

"I think I've read enough. I'm much closer to understanding the votes attracted to me. What an awful decision, to possess this body. Oh well."

He turns his head at break-neck pace to look at Hiraki

"..However, I am no closer to understanding you or your views. Please, Hiraki, can you explain your current reads? That would be fabulous, darling."

Jake normally turns his head to face teacher and Dannflor

"..And would you two be so lovely and explain why you two chose Dunnstral? Thank you."

[Jake The Wolfie]

@jake: because he’s not playing, and he has seen me play exactly this way as town. I don’t think it’s where I’ll end the day, but it seemed more useful then either gypyx or Hiraki and I didn’t like the wagon on your slot.

Jake nodded his head in agreement.

"Who else would you vote here? I remain unconvinced on Hiraki, but their outlook isn't great."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why are you unconvinced on hiraki?

"Well, they caved in under pressure and scrutiny, something which I have observed firsthand coming mainly from town. Ah, the innocent souls, caving into sin and being lost in hell for eternity.. What fun.

They also seem socially inert, which isn't a property you would expect from someone in the firing range of the town."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Okay, what do you mean by caved in under pressure and scrutiny? In which posts do you think this happened?

And what do you mean by “socially inert”?

"Well, the caving process wasn't an instant crystallization, but instead a dial. Hiraki became less and less responsive to others as time marched forward, for understandable reasons. This is also what I mean by socially inert. Anyone who ignores what is going on, and starts doing what they please, or simply evades social contact with others, such as avoiding answering questions."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Okay, what understandable reasons?

Jake twirled around a brimstone cane he was holding

"Well, if we take it that Hiraki is town, then to be accused as scum for something out of their control, Billy Pilgrim, would make them reasonably uncooperative, because there is an endless stream of reasons why Billy decided to be replaced, and to assume that it was because they were evil would make Hiraki, their replacement, almost definitely upset. Even if Hiraki was evil themselves, to be caught for these reasons to still be expected. However, a Hiraki that is town would have reason to separate themselves from others, as they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy to themselves. It seems that Hiraki feels like everyone else has burned their bridges with them, so with all of this considered, I find it reasonable to see that Hiraki would isolate themselves."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake looked delighted to hear from Hiraki

"Ah, welcome back! Would you mind answering this question I have set up for you?"

"..However, I am no closer to understanding you or your views. Please, Hiraki, can you explain your current reads? That would be fabulous, darling."

[Jake The Wolfie]

if i wanted to respond to that, i'd respond to it, no?

"My darling, what do you think the town will do when I'm gone, hmm? When they see my body was helping the town? They will turn on you. And you will spend an eternity in hell with me. All of this could have been avoided, if you had answered the questions instead of excusing yourself from them."

[Jake The Wolfie]

oh yes, preach wolfie! the best move is to cooperate with you because you will flip town!! duh!! let me go ahead and unvote too!

your questions, which can be easily ascertained by

reading

are very important to me! but yes! i am just trying to

burn

those bridges down and it is NOT because I answered those questions earlier and I am tired of answering them. no no no

Jake let out a hearty, demonic laugh

"You think this is because of you not answering MY question? You are sorely mistaken, darling! This is about systematic avoidance of questions across the map. Honestly, who do you think cares about me in specific? No one! But who do you think might remember you dodging their questions faster than I rid of my brimstone playthings? I'm nearly positive that anyone you've left unanswered will remember you, and push against you,

and kill you.

I am asking my questions because I want information right from the source, not to hunt for it myself, because as wonderful as I am, I am not perfect. I would rather hear it from the horse's bleeding mouth than assume an answer, because when it comes from you, there is no mistake in the answer. Now, be a darling and answer the question."

His eyes were unmoving, locked squarely on Hiraki.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm not sure why Jackie is trying to intimidate Hiraki into answering questions here, but I don't think it's working. :X

"Intimidating? I don't try to intimidate. I was simply reminding Hiraki what happens when I die, and who everyone will point to as a next prime suspect. If they choose to continue being difficult, it will be out of my hands. I cannot force Hiraki to cooperate."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake yawned as his eyes looked dreary.

"I will say one thing before I wake tommorow: I am not opposed to a Hiraki execution, but I am not fully convinced they are scum, so I am not voting them."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"I don't partake in my vote lingering on someone for whom I don't have strong feelings about one way or the other. I can understand all 4 votes on me however. Could the four fine and lovely people voting me detail an explanation for voting this body? Optionally, could everyone else explain their votes on who they chose? Be a doll and do it for me, thanks."

You understand all four votes on you and yet you have to ask for explanations?

How about you say what you think of your wagon? We more or less know what you think of Hiraki, what do you think of A50, me and dram?...

Jake yawned, coming out from a bloodstain on the wall.

"They are understandable, yes. I would still like explanation, as some people might vote for faulty reasons, and I would very much like those reasons to be out in the open, for everyone to scrutinize."

"I think my wagon has at most one scum team on it. Two are possible, but not very probable. Mr. 49, they haven't been on my radar, so I hold no opinion of them. Testarossa, you don't sway me either way, except for your questioning on me, which I find to be skinning the surface of a town player. Dramonic, they are misguided on me, but their spoonfed case on TripleHaven would be convincing for even me."

[Jake The Wolfie]

so let's be clear

everyone on your wagon is "understandable" as in you understand the reasoning behind all 4 votes

but you want them to explain it to find scum as if you don't know why they're voting?

just me?

"That is not what I said. By me saying that it is understandable, that means I can see a clear path of reasoning to voting me, but that doesn't mean I expected everyone who voted me to follow that path."

[Jake The Wolfie]

so you need to ask them for their reasoning, which you can see, because you want to see if your predicted path (which may not actually be their path) is their predicted path? how does that lead to scum? because you guys aren't thinking the same?

"Again, that is not what I said. Their reasoning may be fallacious, or outright nonexistant. Exposing these may lead to their minds changing, however unlikely that is to happen."

[Jake The Wolfie]

right but you already said that those reasons are "understandable"

so are they understandable or are you asking for them because you want to ascertain information from them? the two can't coexist

"The two can coexist. I have a thought process that can lead to voting me, but not everyone will have the same, or even any, though process, which is where information can be gathered."

[Jake The Wolfie]

right - so are you now saying that if your though process does not match up with the one that you expected, then they are scum? i'm back at the same question as 918, not sure why we did that detour

Jake looked rather bored, wathcing the conversation run around in circles, like a hellhound chasing it's own tail.

"I am not saying that at all. The line of "There is a reason to vote me" and the question of "What is your reason to vote me?" serve two different purposes."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: Wallpost condensation

"They are understandable, yes. I would still like explanation, as some people might vote for faulty reasons, and I would very much like those reasons to be out in the open, for everyone to scrutinize."

This is not what you're saying here. It becomes a paradox.

"They

(the votes that people have put on me)

are understandable

(i.e. you understand why they are there)

, yes." Then, you continue -

"I would still like an explanation

(if you understood the votes, you would have an explanation)

, as some people might vote for faulty reasons ..."

What I don't understand is either if you messed up here or if you're saying that you want them to say their own reasoning - again - so you can scrutinize them in some grandstage act. I'm leaning toward the later....

"Neither. I want others to judge them, including themselves. Some people do things simply because others do it. If only there was a word for following a leader.. Ah yes, lambing. Some of my voters might be lambing."

---

People voted and people should have made it clear why those votes were made by Page 37 of this game. If it's not clear by now, then ask. I don't know why you have to do a vague "everyone" here when you should have some reads on the people on your wagon?...

"I asked everyone to allow for everyone to speak up. Keep in mind that at this time, the only understanding that I had of the game was by skimming my predecessor's previous messages. To continue, I did ask everyone because I had no understanding of the game at that time."

---

Furthermore, you understand and have admitted that your predecessor was scummy and therefore people have a legitimate reason to vote you. My problem is that you are then saying that you think that your wagon is illegitimate votes and that people should say why they voted as if there are illegitimate reasons. Why would someone say an illegitimate reason if you yourself, the person who is now in the slot of the person that is currently being criticized, have already admitted that there are numerous legitimate reasons for voting your slot? If you have reasoning to believe what your predecessor did which was scummy you should at least be able to trace some votes to the consequences of that statement. Either through quote or just reading the game.

"Where? Where did I say that people were voting me illegitimately, or that I even think that? All I have stated is that I want to have everyone's reasons out there, and this quote shows why"

"They are understandable, yes. I would still like explanation,

as some people might vote for faulty reasons

...

---

Lastly, the whole point of this questioning here is that I don't think you're actually trying to find scum but rather you're trying to get votes off your wagon. Again - if the votes are not on

you

why are you trying to defend your "previous" self after saying that they were scummy?

"I don't defend people who aren't me, nor have I ever. In fact, quite the opposite, as this quote shows."

to the dramonic post:

1. you say i'm "spamming" the newb card then point out 2 posts. Apparently 2 posts is spamming. Also, it wasn't even spamming the newb card, it was spamming the "i'm new to this site" card which ARE DIFFERENT
2. and you were expecting me to explain my vote change back then... why? it was RvS, the votes literally didn't matter. The "umulaut was sheeping" thing wasn't even being serious to begin with either. Umulaut voting was like, the second post of the game
3. ???? how does this make me scum ????
4. Or maybe, instead of "caught for the wrong reason" it's "towny pushing against the dumbest reason to scumread them they've ever seen" I've been ML'd like 10+ times and that last part isn't even an exaggeration.
5. It's not even an allusion of content, I was just confused about the post in general.

This almost caused Jake to set the transcript on fire, with how terrible it looked.

---

The reason I have enormous trouble taking my vote off your slot is that you have done absolutely nothing so far and haven't brought anything new to the game. I've read your posts - they're fine. I don't even see anything

bad

in your questioning of me like other people believe, just maybe a little cringy. But that's it. Not really much to care about more than getting rid of your slot because I still think it flips scum.

"If you want me gone, then you may continue voting me. No one will stop you from doing such."

[Jake The Wolfie]

So why not ask them individually? Are you saying you have no clue who is the leader and who isn't? This is lazy.

"It is a possibility that there is a leader, but that is not the only possibility. I described that as a possibility, not as a certain fact."

This doesn't make sense. By the understanding that you had at the beginning of this conversation, you had no understanding of the game but you could at least understand why people would vote you?

"When you see a plagued transcript from one person, you can understand why people would vote for them. If you read the entire transcript, you gain more knowledge, and possibly more insight. If you read every transcript from every life they've lived, you gain even more knowledge and even more insight."

So you want people to restate what they've already said / do your work for you? No thanks.

"I didn't ask for them to restate what they've already said, I asked for an explanation for why they, as individuals, voted me. Specifically, their logical pathway to determining that I was the best choice of vote. If I voted teacher and cited a few quotes from them, that might give you intuition on why I voted them, but not the pathway that led me there. It describes precisely nothing about, for example, why I did not vote another player I figured to be evil."

This doesn't answer my question and that's the second time you've done that. Got it - there is no answer.

"You asked why, if the votes weren't on me, why I was defending not me. My response was to respond with me specifically showing that I was not defending not me and instead, seeing not me as suspicious."

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Bell - I'm getting some town pings, but I'm also getting some scum pings from this slot. I want pressure here to help sort. I don't know if it's because he's V/LA until Monday, but a lot of his posts feel like fluff and don't really contribute anything. Also not a fan of his intent to park a vote on Hiraki and not move it for the rest of D1.

Jake turned his focus away from the marvelous word artist that was Hiraki, to the small-spoken Marashu.

"My, this post feels like you are uncertain about your vote. Sir Marashu, could you elaborate on anything that you see as evil or good from Sir Bell?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

"I think I've read enough. I'm much closer to understanding the votes attracted to me. What an awful decision, to possess this body. Oh well."

But more importantly to help those of us who are still evaluating you, would you say you are closer to understanding the evil in the town?

"I am only a few hairs closer than when I started."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Again - dodging the question. Why not try to do any of this yourself? Asking the group to explain the thing is not going to get many answers. Considering that you tried to go after me for "not answering questions" by directing that at me, I at least think you should know that, right?

"I did not answer it, as it was a loaded question. Your continuation of your question suggested that the most probable possibility was there being a lambherder."

Okay cool, garbage response. Very easy to read when you don't have an answer because you go into this weird tangent sort of thing where you try to act a little bit more knowledgeable by sounding witty.

"I will admit that I did go on a tangent. To clarify my response: I had only known what the unhonerable TripleHaven had said. By now, I know what most of the transcript says."

1) You didn't ask any individual, you addressed everyone on your wagon.
2) Asking them for an explanation when they might have already given that explanation is in fact asking for the what they've already said. If your argument is that you're asking them to repeat what they've said, it makes little to no difference.

"I never said I asked them individually. I asked them why, as individuals did they vote Triple Haven.

For your second question, I wanted elaboration on any explanation they may or may not have."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"To answer why I haven't voted on any counter wagon: I see no reason to. The day is young, and time is plentiful, even if some will have theirs violently stolen from them. I would rather be certain about my vote being on an evil than needing to protect myself from death. Of course, this will change if time gets

cut

short."

Jake's eyes flashed red for a split-second.

"For the time being, I'm abstaining my vote."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake yawned

"You truly do write between the lines, then proclaim what you wrote is mine."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"To answer why I haven't voted on any counter wagon: I see no reason to. The day is young, and time is plentiful, even if some will have theirs violently stolen from them. I would rather be certain about my vote being on an evil than needing to protect myself from death. Of course, this will change if time gets

cut

short."

Jake's eyes flashed red for a split-second.

"For the time being, I'm abstaining my vote."

i'd also like to say for the record that it would totally make sense for jake to act stupidly villainous as scum. esp this red eye nonsense

Jake summoned a paper with Hiraki's quote on it.

"This is what I meant."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake rolled his eyes, clearly bored with how the game was going.

"Menalque.. why are you voting me?"

His tone was low and steady, as if uncaring either way if he died or not.

[Jake The Wolfie]

because the game is boring and no-one is willing to flip who I wanna flip, including you

"Well, isn't that an accusation. I never said I was opposed to their execution. I'd love to add their soul to my evergrowing collection. In fact, I've forgotten to vote them."

VOTE: Hiraki

[Jake The Wolfie]

cool

find another 4 votes and I'll hammer him

"I am not the person to ask if you want influence."

[Jake The Wolfie]

well apparently neither am I given that hiraki hasn't gone above 3 votes all game

but flip side, I'm not the one who probably dies if I don't find those votes so *shrug*

"Why don't you vote someone you think is evil, instead of voting someone you think is pure? Do you believe you, as an individual, can chain executions together?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

"Hiraki, welcome back. You seem to find every reason to track me as evil, and seemingly omit anything that your peers find pure about me."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"I have done things for the game, however it seems that while you don't see them, your brothers in arms do."

[Jake The Wolfie]

okay? why do i have to agree with them?

who are my "brothers in arms"? dann? the one i argued with for 10 pages?

"Menalque is one of them. Paradoxically voting me while seeing my purity.

You don't have to agree with anyone. Disagree with whomever you like."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ooh scum slip. He’s saying he knows you’re town Hiraki.
Also, not really jake.

"Ah yes, let me pull a Menalque and vote someone who I secretly think is pure. That makes perfect sense, Bell."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Paradoxically you’re voting hiraki while saying she has compatriots.

"Anyone can be your brother in arms. Even traitors. They just have to push on the same side as you, even as they stab you in the back."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Weak.

"It is weak. That doesn't make it any less true for how I say it. Especially when finding synonyms for peers."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Don't you also see how being 'witty' and 'cool' is actually being detrimental to your role too? Even Bell didn't understand whatever the hell "brother in arms" means. For the record, it's NAI to me. Just continuing to be useless.

"Smile, my dear. You might become lonely and depressed, and even I won't spend an eternity in hell with that."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ohhhhhh you got me Jake. The clapback is HARD there.

"Well, at least you project a happy persona."

Hope springs eternal.
A peer isn’t a synonym of compatriot.

"Isn't it lovely then, that I didn't use compatriot."

[Jake The Wolfie]

VC 1.14

Jake The Wolfie (5) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa, Menalque [E-2]

Dunnstral (1) - teacher
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Bell (1) - Marashu
Menalque (1) - Dunnstral
Dannflor (1) - Bell
Marashu (1) - Dannflor
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie

Not voting: Gypyx

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Bell is V/LA until Monday.

Menalque is V/LA until August 21st.

"This VC is odd. Why are there so many voters not on the same person, but then you look at me and there are 5?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

Dann - catch me up. I don't want to read 48 pages.

"I replaced into TripleHaven who acted evil, so they were voted. Menalque is also voting whom they think is pure, because they think that once it's shown that I'm pure, they'll vote Hiraki."

[Jake The Wolfie]

VC 1.14

Jake The Wolfie (5) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa, Menalque [E-2]

Dunnstral (1) - teacher
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Bell (1) - Marashu
Menalque (1) - Dunnstral
Dannflor (1) - Bell
Marashu (1) - Dannflor
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie

Not voting: Gypyx

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Bell is V/LA until Monday.

Menalque is V/LA until August 21st.

"This VC is odd. Why are there so many voters not on the same person, but then you look at me and there are 5?"

The townbloc is voting you and you're getting bussed.
We have a couple clowns voting random slots, 2 afk and teacher playing blind darts with his vote


Edit: can we stop saying people are moving down and up without specifying the ladder? I have no idea what yall are even trying to blabber about

"Even if I were either a Sinner or a Werewolf, why wouldn't the other team ote me? It would reflect grandly on them, no?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

...Basically, I saw that we had a week left. I had a slot that I was having a hard time with. I was choosing to use that time to try and work out that slot. If we'd rather try to end the day early and use the flip to get information, then that's also worthwhile.

VOTE: Jake - E-1

"Pray tell, what information would you get from me, exactly?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

well like, ur alignment would show bro, so we'd know if you were town or scum

"That is a non-answer to my question. How would my alignment be more informative than, say, executing Penguin?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

well I guess we'd also get the alignments of whoever gets NK'd so then we'd have that info too

That would also happen if you voted out Penguin :susseyes:

"Neither of these are answers to my question."

[Jake The Wolfie]

yeah but then we'd like, not have jake's alignment and that seems like a pretty big disadvantage, idk

"What advantage would executing me give you, that you would not get from executing Penguin? You may not get my true self, but you'll get Penguin's. Why is mine more important than theirs?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

yeah but then we'd like, not have jake's alignment and that seems like a pretty big disadvantage, idk

"What advantage would executing me give you, that you would not get from executing Penguin? You may not get my true self, but you'll get Penguin's. Why is mine more important than theirs?"

well it would give me the advantage of knowing your alignment but not penguin's

whereas executing penguin would give me the disadvantage of not knowing your alignment,

even though I knew his

"Explain this."

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm a big boy

A. Lynch all liars.
B. She said that.
C. Your mothers been telling you stories about me again - Braveheart.

So many good options.

"Execute all mothers who say stories such as that one."

[Jake The Wolfie]

well like, ur alignment would show bro, so we'd know if you were town or scum

"That is a non-answer to my question. How would my alignment be more informative than, say, executing Penguin?"

You’ve done more this game than I have for one.

What made you use me as an example?

"The fabulous website of [preferred randomization site]."

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm honestly pretty ambivalent towards a Jake elimination. I think it gives info and definitely isn't the worst choice

I'm slightly skeeved by the fact that no real counter wagon has sprung up this entire game

But that might be bad logic considering we only have 2 man scum teams instead of one 4 man scum team

"There appears to have been one rising vote magnet: Marashu. I wouldn't call them the counter to myself, but it is interesting to see how they reached 3 votes from execution."

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm honestly pretty ambivalent towards a Jake elimination. I think it gives info and definitely isn't the worst choice

I'm slightly skeeved by the fact that no real counter wagon has sprung up this entire game

But that might be bad logic considering we only have 2 man scum teams instead of one 4 man scum team

"There appears to have been one rising vote magnet: Marashu. I wouldn't call them the counter to myself, but it is interesting to see how they reached 3 votes from execution."

Do you have thoughts on Marashu?

"I haven't gone through their transcript yet, I only have a few hairs of an idea about them, but nothing more."

[Jake The Wolfie]

...1274 - only response. why can't we agree to disagree? why do you have to be so annoyed that i won't agree with you on one read to post that slab? i don't care if you don't think my reads haven't "evolved" - i just want to know why you think it's a problem that i scumread someone and the other person gets frustrated because i'm doing so, so now i should go ahead and change MY read because they've tried so hard by moaning and groaning and degrading into memery for me to do something other than change my views?...

"It seems that Mr. Flour was asking for your re-evaluation, not for your conformity. The difference is in a re-evaluation, you may get the same result, where in the conformity, there will be a different result."

[Jake The Wolfie]

intent

"Ooh, how exciting! An execution will be fun to watch! What, you think I would let you harm my spirit? Oh 9 circles no! I'll watch in-person, in-body."

[Jake The Wolfie]

are you not claiming

"Claim? I claim to be innocent and, frustratingly, powerless. Off this body if you wish, I have no investment in this mortal coil. I knew trying to turn the public opinion was a futile endeavor, but I tried nonetheless. I may be a hellhound, yes, but I am not of the general riff raff. I am a principled man, and I shall stand by them, whether it be in this life or the next. I hope you find a new theater boy. You all are dull, barring flashes of inspiration, that is."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Not earth shattering, but there’s clear motivation to fake claim a PR in this situation.

"My, it would be safer to claim nothing, in the parallel world where I was evil, so my potential partner could claim the power as theirs, yes? After all, I am a lost cause."

[Jake The Wolfie]

..do you really wanna get into a theory discussion at E-1.
Wanna share a reads list??

Jake checks his pocketwatch.

"Oh, I would love to give each detail I could, but it is late. Here is a list I have stiched together:

Myself
Sir Penguin
Sir Menalque
Some of the riff raff, and classfull
Sir Hiraki"

[Jake The Wolfie]

Maybe you can tell us more tomorrow?

That penguin is hurting my self esteem man

"I shall, if I am not unexpectedly executed."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"A thought:

It seems that both evils are voting me, as they both might think that I am evil, so by voting to execute, it will reflect fairly on themselves."

[Jake The Wolfie]

VC 1.16

Jake The Wolfie (5) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa, Marashu [E-2]

Marashu (4) - Dannflor, teacher, PenguinPower, Menalque [E-3]
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Menalque (1) - Dunnstral
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie

Not voting: Bell

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Menalque is V/LA until August 21st.

"If I had to pick who the two evil teams' members were voting me, they would be Hiraki and one of either dramonic or Testarossa."

[Jake The Wolfie]

I agree with Dann that the lack of survivalism speaks a bit in Jake's favour. He is basically just rolling over.

However I am still not seeing anything that is changing my mind here objectively. Even after the replacement the slot looks pretty self-concerned, asking questions that aren't really leading anywhere to and no real attempts at sorting people (besides maybe Mena?). Was kind of hoping for more here.

I agree hard with this. He just keeps coming in, calling me and someone else, depending on the temperature I guess, scum and then going away. How do you honestly defend that slot? Because doing nothing isn't scummy? I've done this game before too. I don't get how I'm the one being called out for AtE when Jake is literally just coming in and moping about doing his witty ERP thing and then leaving.

Multiple people have asked him for reasons why he thinks myself and others are scum. They're still not here. The above just proves that he has no intentions of going further than stating something.

"Could you point me to where people have asked these reasons?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

..do you really wanna get into a theory discussion at E-1.
Wanna share a reads list??

Jake checks his pocketwatch.

"Oh, I would love to give each detail I could, but it is late. Here is a list I have stiched together:

Myself
Sir Penguin
Sir Menalque
Some of the riff raff, and classfull
Sir Hiraki"

"I have finally gotten motivation to do something difficult, keeping non-promises."

Jake took out a notepad, and a lit cigar.

"Firstly, I am placing myself at the top. It should be clear as to why.
I then place Sir Bell, for their willingness to listen to me. If they were evil, it would seem foolish to not have someone else pave the way to my execution.
Following behind is Sir Menalque, who seems to have reconsidered my body.
Then there is Sirs Grypyx and PenguinPower. In general, Mr. Grypyx has a certain.. pure aura around them."

He took a long inhale from the cigar, then let out a big cloud of ash.

"Ah, sorry for that. Strenuous metal activity such as making concrete statements is rather taxing. Where was I? Oh, right, our host, TemporalLich comes next. They are the first in the gray area, despite not being a player. Their intentions seem benevolent.
Next is Mr. flor. They are somewhat positive, but that may be just them stirring conversation.
The most extremely polarized person is null: Madam Testarossa. They seem to be double serving, and I read them as indecisive. Truly miraculous, how they both do everything and manage to get in the gray.
There are also some people I don't have a solid grasp on: Dunnstral and Gamma Emerald.
The first below null is Almost50- erm, Mr. 49. Their only vote was on 30, and they haven't seemed to really done anything, but inject metaphorical stuffing material into their transcript.
The teacher is a hair under Mr. 49. A few, actually. I can't exactly stab a dagger in what it precisely is, however something feels wrong about them. Perhaps it is 263.
Next is Mr. Marashu. Mayhaps Menalque is influencing me here, but I don't see much merit in their actions.
Sir dramonic has evil radiating from their body. Nothing feels quite right about them, such as their quick retorts that feel less like it would come from a genuine purity, and more of an evil disguising themselves as a purity, as if keeping an old facade up for appearances.
Finally, we have Sir Hiraki. They are evil. They avoided answering questions, but were quick to point out others' mistakes. They plant roadblocks to clear communiucation, by insisting that we find the answers ourselves. I will only move my vote if it might help me to wipe Sir Hiraki from our town."

Jake drew from the cigar again, and another black ash cloud from his dried, ashen lips billowed out, followed by him coughing, a few dried tar clumps spewing forth from his mouth. He took a breath, and sat back into a chair to finish his cigar.

"I do hope that this serves you well, even if I am gone."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"Sir Bell and.."

Jake seemed to have some trouble addressing teacher.

"Mr. teacher? The teacher? Dr. Mafia? Dr. Mafia."

He settled on Dr. Mafia, as maybe he had a theoretical doctorate in the Philosophy of Mafia.

"Sir Bell, could you add some elaboration on your list, and Dr. Mafia, could you order the townspeople based on your thoughts, preferably with detail?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

I gave intent on him, so that theory still holds I believe.

"Dr. Mafia, what exactly does giving intent hold here?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

I don't think you're clear, but I also don't think you're the worst offender, and there are better places for me to be placing my focus. At the very least, I no longer think that your early position in the Mena/Hiraki discussion was scummy.

Well, who are you looking at?

Huh, thanks.
This seems like a real scum hunting perspective to me. I think he believes what he's saying, I don't agree with the tells he's using. If he's trying to hide his partner in that list, I don't see it.
The dramonic read is the worst of the bunch imo and there's nothing like an attempt to understand him in that read. Which could be scum.

You do realize the entire readlist is just people voting him are null to scum, people not voting him are town

I didn't unvote him till after he posted his barely efforty effort post. But yes, I realized this. Though, I feel like lots of players end up with reads lists where everyone giving them a hard time is scum and everyone who isn't, is town.

"Menalque voted me."

[Jake The Wolfie]

So youre basing "there's a fair chance teacher is scum" on.....what, exactly?

Gut, mostly.

I don't think you're clear, but I also don't think you're the worst offender, and there are better places for me to be placing my focus. At the very least, I no longer think that your early position in the Mena/Hiraki discussion was scummy.

Well, who are you looking at?

I think Jake's a good wagon. Besides that, I spent time looking at Hiraki; that slot's starting to grow on me. I'm also looking at PP and Dunn. I keep looking at teach, but I think it's reaching the point where I need to stop; every time I start to suspect him of something new, I'll check back later and see that I'm being extra paranoid. The latest case was the intent to hammer. I was weirded out by that turn, but just today I noticed that he had stated a SL on that slot slightly earlier.

I seriously keep forgetting that Testarossa is in this game; I don't think I'm giving her slot the attention I should be.

"Who would you kill immediately, if your kill had no revelation of their purity?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

It must take a lot of effort to be this antitown

"I am more amused at how there is yet to be a successful counter to the votes on me. I could have very easily have voted Marashu, but I think that Hiraki is undeniably evil."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"Snatch!"

"..Sorry, I didn't have anything to say here."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Don't really understand why this hasn't been lynched yet tbh.

"Mayhaps it's because we don't lynch here."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake yawned as his eyes looked dreary.

"I will say one thing before I wake tommorow: I am not opposed to a Hiraki execution, but I am not fully convinced they are scum, so I am not voting them."

because the game is boring and no-one is willing to flip who I wanna flip, including you

"Well, isn't that an accusation. I never said I was opposed to their execution. I'd love to add their soul to my evergrowing collection. In fact, I've forgotten to vote them."

VOTE: Hiraki

that is a hmm from me tbh

"Ah yes, use two different quotes from two distinctly different times, where I ordered my reads and determined Mr. Hiraki to be vote worthy to throw suspicion on me. How fun."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Sorry, what do you mean by "vote worthy to throw suspicion on me?"

"They seem to be throwing suspicion on me for acting contrary to what I have previously said, when in fact, I was voting who I suspected who was most reasonably evil to me."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"Ah yes, use two different quotes from two distinctly different times, where I ordered my reads and determined Mr. Hiraki to be vote worthy to throw suspicion on me. How fun."

here, ill bite

you can now only use posts from me between that time to establish your read

have fun

"I don't try to intentionally partake in excercises in futility."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Err assuming you're town as well then scum just... Don't want to lynch town today?

That's what I'm getting out of that. Also conflicts with the sentiment scum is content with the gamestate, what do you think of that stance A50?

What I get out of it is scum doesn't want to eliminate Jake. If Jake is scum, then it stands to reason his partner doesn't want to eliminate him. If Jake is town, it could be that scum just wants another claim. They might also be suspecting that Jake is part of the other scum team and don't want him removed yet, because scum don't know whether someone is town or part of the other scum team.

As for scum being content with the gamestate, I propose something different: 7/13 players have swapped out. It is very likely that at least one scum player has swapped out. I think it's possible that there's scum in a member who replaced in, who doesn't yet fully understand the game state and doesn't want to disrupt it for fear of standing out.

"Would any replacement not want to disrupt the gamestate? It would be hard to analyze something onjectively, when they have a clouded view of it."

[Jake The Wolfie]

I agree with the first 3 lines, but disagree with your conclusion.

I'm much more inclined (or confbiased, if you feel that way about me) to think that the repeated half-assed attempts to swing a wagon somewhere else is indicative of Jake being scum.
1. His buddy doesn't want to lynch him and have to solo the game, especially cuz they can just lose to a lost bullet.
2. The opposing scumteam has no incentive to lynch him, he's exebait to them. (I'm aware this is true regardless of his alignment). Testing the waters on other wagons is much more beneficial to them.

If Jake was town any scum coulda just taken the easy hammer when it was available with little suspicion, and to be quite blunt his continued existence benefits both scumteam EVEN if he somehow flips town.

"So.. if my continued existence is beneficial to both evils regardless of my purity, then how could you conclude that I was indeed evil?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

Question, would it be more beneficial to us to wait for the other replacement and

having them all catch up

before eliminating someone or not?

Just like Chemist caught up? or RCE? Right now I think apathy is deepening and deepening, and just putting the game on ice will do nothing but further drain town's desire to play.

@Teacher, when I think about it, it doesn't make a lot of sense for you to say and vote Jake at your level of skill for the stated reason. Try explaining your reasoning again. Maybe I'm just dumb though.

OK, lets try this: I dont have an affirmative townread on the slot. Rather, I bought the case that Haven was a useless town, and repped out after being called such. Her replacement, Jake, has also been pretty useless -- a weird character affectation, but no real contribution to reasoning/hunting/sorting/interacting. So Im left with thinking its a pretty useless slot that has had a lot of positioning around it all day. (I also didnt like the wagon composition)

If it flips scum, its pretty indiciative that at least one scum (and likely more) was probably directing/taking part in the counterwagons, which are in turn more likely town. Its also a GREAT sign that my reads have been f-ed up and need deep reevaluation.

IF it flips town, its pretty indicative that my reads are pretty solid, and to continue on my same course. But -- and here is the key thing -- it gets rid of a slot that I think will NOT help town win the game -- its a VT claim that is not helping my progression, and that I would be liable to mislynch later due to the weird positioning of this day.

Does that make better sense at all?

"Counterpoint: I could be lying about my powerless claim, so I won't be put under the evil's required kills microscope. I'm not saying that I'm retracting my claim, but that is something that i would do. There are parallel worlds where I pretended to have one claim when I had another."

[Jake The Wolfie]

It’s cool. We can call things trash without discussion. This is mafia!

"This quotation is of the lowest quality, and it belongs with the rest of the filth. If you try to converse with me on this, I will be forced to simply not reply."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"Go ahead. I've driven myself to exhaustion trying to find who the evils are, and saving myself would be an entirely new stage of sorrow. If you wanted more from me, well, you don't know who I am now, do you? My notes are up for anyone to read, they are mainly unchanged. I still think it is unwise to execute me regardless of purity, I hate policy executing, but if you truly think it will make me win faster, then so be it."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"You are boring me. Why am I not dead yet? Where is the blood? The action? Truly underwhelming.

I suppose I can give you something before my demise. Give me a few hours for this. It will most likely be a new purity ranking."

[Jake The Wolfie]

For brevity, I will break character.

Town

Jake The Wolfie
Bell
PenguinPower
Dannflor
RCEnigma
Gamma Emerlad

Null

teacher
Marashu
Dramonic
Almost50
Hiraki

Scum

[Jake The Wolfie]

"Use an encyclopedia."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"One good reason is that it's easier to repeat arguments ad nauseum rather than considering new perspectives."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"If you want a counter votee for me, you will need to coagulate into one funtional brick of votes, not a weak, malleable, uncontrolled lump of clay.

Which brings up a new question to me, or two actually: Why are all the same people voting me, anf whrn did you start voting me?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

gosh, I wonder if reading the game you replace in would help

Actually it wouldn't, smartass. There's a reason I don't read up on replace in beyond laziness.

"What is this reason?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

It's mostly a waste of time for me since I get most of my reads from interactions with people.

"I have tried this, and failed multiple times. For starters, not everyone interacts with you."

[Jake The Wolfie]

discussing it would require us to talk about the game before you replaced in, something you don't seem too fond in doing

Not sure where I said that. Not reading 48 pages on replace in /= not willing to talk about things that happened prior to replace in. Point them out.

so i now need to feed you the information in the game? hmm

TIL pointing out the things you want to discuss is feeding people information.

"You lack the ability to discuss what you do not know, as you do not know it."

[Jake The Wolfie]

I’m coming around to the jake elimination just so we can move forward perspective.
We really are stalled here. Though it feels gross.

"If I am not your optimal execution, then who? I won't vote myself, but I do feel that my hiraki vote is wasted."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Which brings up a new question to me, or two actually: Why are all the same people voting me, anf whrn did you start voting me?"

Hmmm, I wonder if this could be discovered by looking at a vote count, doing an ISO, and using control-f.
Maybe if you did that, you could find out the answer and present an actual argument on which is opportunistic.
Or, you know, otherwise take a stance in the game.

"It may also be solved much more swiftly, and much more accurately to what I'm asking if those who I asked were to answer. Specifically because I'm not asking for an exact timestamp, for which yours has long since expired. No, I'm asking for a general timeline, that which you can't seem to grasp, despite being a teacher of history."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Still not taking a stance. (and a different question then when, or "whrn").

"If you were to provide the information I was looking for, I could stop metaphorically twiddling my thumbs. This is not my fault. I am looking for perspective, not data that you can easily and cleanly cut out like a cookie cutter."

[Jake The Wolfie]

"Incredible! Something I've never seen before! One vote away from execution!..

Come on people, stop teasing me. Are you going to commit or not? This routine is getting rather tiresome, and the fact that I'm not dead should be concerning at least a few of you. Some group of people clearly doesn't want me dead, or else I would be. What is stopping them? What are their motives?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

"My head hurts. Why am I wearing such fancy attire? Who the hell are you people?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

I dicked around, knowing full well that I was going to die.