Micro 962: Geriatric Trio II (Town Victory)

[AGar]

game's too easy

VOTE: AGar

First of all, how dare you....

Second.

VOTE: Porkens

[AGar]

hello friends, i am back! seeing how this game is very active and how everyone is so eagar to post, i have decided to make a detailed readslist that will hopefully accurately reflect my current feelings on the gamestate!

Michael Scott (Auro + volxen)

- this slot is locktown in my eyes. their entrance (in post 5) is brimming with a relaxed, confident tone that is never seen in players of the scum alignment. posts like 13 and 20 show a great will to solve the game and a profound analysis of the gamestate that can only come from an uninformed perspective. and the brilliance of 21 can only come from someone pure of heart. if anyone were to ever vote for this slot to be executed, i'd wonder if that person is purposefully trying to throw the game.

Bingle

- bingle is my second most confident townread. his early posts 6 and 15 show a deep interest in this game's mechanical side, which is something i have personally only ever seen from bingle when he was aligned with the town. the confidence and passion with which he presents his reads in 15 make me strongly believe it's coming from a genuine place.

clidd

- while the number of universes in which clidd is aligned with the mafia is non-zero, i highly doubt that we are living in one of them. his opening in post 10 is very very similar to his one of his early posts in Micro 941 in which his slot was aligned with the town. based on what's happened so far, i have no reason to doubt his alignment is not the same this game.

Porkens

- this one is tricky. while post 8 by itself, as funny as it is, is not alignment indicative, when looked at the full picture, i do conclude it is indicative of porkens being town more often than not. what led me to that conclusion is the fact that i can draw some obvious parallels between porkens's play this game and his play in Why Gun?? - namely posting one big "memey" post then disappearing. the reason this is somewhat town!indicative is because porkens was aligned with the mafia in the aforementioned game, and based on what's happened so far, i have no reason to think scum!porkens would repeat the same play.

AGar

- dead null. i have nothing on this guy.

Kmd4390

- looking at their ISO, they're a scumlean of mine. while post 7 is NAI, post 22 reads like blatant fake dumbtelling to me. "what even is this thread", we're playing mafia, silly! i doubt you didn't know that, though.

xReckonerX

- i think it's very likely reckoner is aligned with the mafia. my train of thought is that in 9 he voted against agar with a comment "game's too easy", implying he's already solved agar's slot and that agar is mafia. however, in his next post in 12, he changes his vote to porkens. this makes me think that the earlier confidence and bravado of 9 is fake and fabricated, which is scum!indicative. also, as my hydra partner's already observed, why did you quote the chess post.

bugspray

- unfortunately, i think this is another game where bugs rolled scum against me. post 16 offers nothing game related, and i know scum!bugs struggles to make game-related content. and since then, bugs has suspiciously gone quiet, not even responding to the chess move in 21. i'm sorry you rolled scum again, bugs.

Sou and Kanna (Datisi + Kanna)

- this is obvscum. kill it with fire.

okay, that's all for now! i will be back later!

~sou

They stole my "kill it with fire" line but they do need to die.

VOTE: Sou and Kanna

Choo. Choo. Motherfuckers.

[AGar]

Agar / Bugspray -> They ignored post 23 and voted regardless of the observations that SK (I'll use this acronym now) made.

I literally fucking quoted the post you're referencing you dolt.

On the issue of the currently running Chess Minigame, I will allow it to continue if it is done solely within "spoiler=" tabs. It is distracting to the game and has no place in a Geriatric.

Thank you for your cooperation in making this game fun for everyone!

Can we just not have it at all? I specifically looked forward to this game so I didn't have to trudge through as much inane bullshit but allowing a fucking chess game, spoilers or not, is going to make me seriously regret this, because I guarantee someone is going to fuck up a spoiler tag and there's going to be naked posts that are only the chess game at some point.

42 - What the fuck is this horseshit? This is :badposting: and is super contrived.

49 serves what purpose, exactly?

[AGar]

I haven't checked your history yet, but if your profile indicates this type of behavior as default, then I will have to change my approach to read you. It would be good to me if you try to facilitate this process.

I wanna circle back to this because look if you're gonna pull some dumb shit like meta (which I echo Reck's comments about trash), at least don't ask that person to do the heavy lifting for you. For so many fucking reasons.

[AGar]

Reck is looking town in engagement and consistency.
Literally both hydrae can die plz. SKit is are really trying to make something of nothing with Reck after posting a read list that felt feigned and they tried to handwave it away as a joke ex post facto when called on it. Michael Scott is the worst kind of hydra and this attempt to stay "in character" is going to make me very annoyed throughout this game.
kmd is kmd. Color me surprised.
Porkens is concerning me because of wagonomics but content is middling. I put more stock in wagonomics so Porkens gets binned as slightly scummy for now.
Speaking of wagonomics, I don't like Clidd's vote on kmd positioning/timing wise. Feels like going for the easy angle of kmd's activity. Spoiler alert: KMD is going to have the fewest posts in the game, even in this ruleset, even if he makes it to endgame. 33 was garbage to begin with but looking at a VC just confirms that feeling.

It served a few purposes. It pointed out the identities of the hydra heads in case Reck actually cared (I assumed he didn't, but it didn't hurt to include that), updated the thread on the fact that I think there are scummy things coming from a slot I was previously explicitly townreading (which then allowed for people to engage me over those things if they so chose, which no one has done yet), and it bumped the thread so the mod could have the pagetop for his VC. I think that the last was clearly the most important of the three.

Yeah so it served no purpose, got it. You basically hemmed and hawed on your one game content situation.

Would happily lynch within {SK,Clidd} right now.

[AGar]

EBWOP:

Fuck, I meant 'yeet'. Old habits are dying hard with the inconsistent nature of how much I'm playing these days.

Also, starting tomorrow afternoon, I'll be limited access through Sunday evening (US Eastern time). Should be able to get on and phone post but camping up in NW Florida so not sure what the service is gonna be.

P-Edit: Hi KMD. It's just an observation. I know your schedule is fucky.

[AGar]

SKit is are really trying to make something of nothing with Reck after posting a read list that felt feigned and they tried to handwave it away as a joke ex post facto when called on it.

but it was a joke to begin with

Yes and the mafia will tell us they're town, too!

[AGar]

Porkens is concerning me because of wagonomics but content is middling. I put more stock in wagonomics so Porkens gets binned as slightly scummy for now.

what do you mean here?

~kanna

Not sure I can help you see what is bad about the timing and position of Porkens's vote if you don't already see it. It's pretty straight forward.

Guys, KMD is scum.

I played as scum vs town!him and my tone was basically the same I'm using here (which is why Porkens is scumreading me, because he also played as town in the same game) but KMD is kind of ignoring me.

Town!Kmd would look at my posts and vote instantly on me.

This is bad but Kmd's response is also bad. Everything from clidd's outburst can be binned in the "IDGAF about any of this." bin. Anyone trying to argue its indicative of alignment one way or another can catch these hands.

[AGar]

Porkens, the "I" is the operative letter. *I* do not give a fuck about clidd's outburst.

[AGar]

So it's not alignment indicative because YOU don't give a fuck about it?

It's not alignment indicative because that kind of tantrum can be pretty easily emulated regardless of alignment and crying "woe is me" when you have no votes on you is a waste of the limited posting available in the game. Clidd cried "Oh don't take me to lylo" because he wasn't happy with how people are playing, not because he was under immense scrutiny or anything game related.

[AGar]

Not sure I can help you see what is bad about the timing and position of Porkens's vote if you don't already see it. It's pretty straight forward.

i found this interesting because it's a possible mindset slip. you've said you scumread us, but if your wagon analysis is what i think it is, then you also think we're town...............

We're on page 7. There is no read I'm so married to that I'm not willing to note or remark on any other behavior that would contradict it.

[AGar]

I'm breezing past 173 because I really don't fucking get what's so hard to read and I'm not burning any more time on it other than a tacit acknowledgment that I saw it so we don't have to waste time on it when someone inevitably asks "AGar plz answer 173."

Re, 177: Behaviorally I do not like your posting, have found several pieces to be contrived and needlessly dragging out inane bullshit in a manner that isn't conducive to moving the game state forward - like you're doing here where you continue to circle back to a Page 7 comment and ask me to explain the same thing multiple different ways like you're probing it from different angles when you're just using new words to get to the same point - and generally not beneficial to town. I also, simultaneously, acknowledge that mathematically I'm more likely to be wrong and any wagon that reaches Y-1 that quickly, even in a game specifically designed to not be a spam fest, is one to give me pause, and it's not like I've found Porkens to be a bastion of pro-town energy. Consider it an {a OR b} dichotomy with a small acknowledgement that it could be a bus but it would be a real shitty bus. My reads are as serious as they should be right now.

Re, 186: clidd's premise in 97 is super flawed on its surface. But the response of "Oh lol I didn't even read you that game it was because of your predecessor so your premise is bad," is a bad engagement of the premise.

I'm coming around on Bingle, and find Bulge's mindset pretty reasonable. Can't get a handle on MS but they seem to be out of the "acting in character" self-imposed post restriction so that at least seems cool and maybe I can get a better feel for them.

Would gladly yeet {Clidd/SK/kmd} in no particular order.
Would not yeet {Reck/Bingle/Bulge}
{Porkens/MS} are whatever right now.

[AGar]

Kmd, why has your vote remained parked on bingle as bingle's wagon begins to burgeon?

[AGar]

Kmd, why has your vote remained parked on bingle as bingle's wagon begins to burgeon?

Bingle is my preferred elimination at this time.

I would love it if you elaborated on that or gave anything resembling a reason.

[AGar]

Lotsa folks high on their own stuff, huh?

KMD, where art thou to explain your Bingle vote more? I tire of patience.

Last couple MS posts have been :goodposting:, waiting to make sure the other head doesn't go and boof that progress for them.

Ayyo Porkens

, why you still voting clidd if clidd's outburst was towntelling to you to the point of aggressively coming at me for binning it as null and not something I care about?

[AGar]

disagree. His outburst is based on how much he

does care

about the game. He's not saying "fuck it, yeet me a lose, this town is fucked," he's saying "Can we just yeet me now because I don't want to get yeeted in yeetlo?"

Was this supposed to convey that you found the outburst scumtelling?

[AGar]

No, it was meant to convey that it seemed to me that he did GAF.

Show me

on the doll where the music hurt you

where you've given any indication that you found clidd's outburst scummy.

@Agar; why does this kmd vote matter to you so much?

Oh, y'know, it's just a big part of this whole game we're playing, really.

Can you elaborate on this?

I think it's pretty self-evident.

[AGar]

Sorry long day. Someone help me explain to a five year old why he has to lose three grandparents since the start of last year?

I'll try to catch up in the morning. Hate that I'm sucking at keeping up and just proving Agar right.

Shit man, that's brutal. Sorry for your loss.

I think it's pretty self-evident.

but what did you like about it?

it's just a big part of this whole game we're playing, really.

also, you do know about kmd's activity patterns, so why did you ask them again?

~k

My initial interaction with bingle was straight up questioning their reasoning for making a post.
I no longer feel that way about their posting.

I know Kmd's activity but that's not going to stop me from pushing at something I want an explanation on. And specifically, kmd was carrying as if the read on Bingle was obvious and had been stated, tho it hadn't, so I was particularly seeing if I would continue to get cagey responses or if I would get a thorough explanation. I got the latter.

Bulge

, re 226 - I'm currently in the stage of my life of writing off arrogance as not indicative of anything in particular. Running into lots of players that think they're better than they are, as both alignments. Also, Bingle has addressed the downplay of the wagon on them, and I really don't expect what else you want someone to say when they're asked to address a wagon on them - "omg it hurts my soul"?

@clidd

Could you fucking stop that please?

even though it's an obvious joke?

Have you considered the fact that if a third (or more) of the playerlist didn't pick up on your "obvious" ''''''joke'''''', then maybe it wasn't so

obvious

?

[AGar]

My initial interaction with bingle was straight up questioning their reasoning for making a post.
I no longer feel that way about their posting.

i realised i worded this weirdly; what i wanted to know was what part of bingle's posts did you like specifically at that point? i don't really understand this sorry

Yeah it's not a specific thing much more than it is a general thing. I feel bingle's posting is purposeful and I can follow the thought processes and don't find it to be stretched or forced. 49 felt very pointless and posting for the sake of posting to me in the manner of "Look at how helpful I'm being!" when providing nothing material to the game, and their followup in 63 felt underhwelming. 94 and onward have decent meat on their bones, show a genuine track of trying to sort things out and makes heads or tails of players while engaging and pushing a bit in directions.

I thought 51 and 81 at least laid the ground work for "Oh, ok AGar was skeptical of Bingle," but apparently not the case so :shrug:. I much prefer people do their own heavy lifting.

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@Reck

You've got Bulge pretty high up - sell me on it, because Bulge just kinda feels... present to me. I'm really not sure what I'm missing here.

[AGar]

@Agar: Are you intentionally still voting S&K, and if so is it still because of the joke readslist? What do you make of the fact S&K has seen this exact style of joke readslist before, and my argument that they would be less likely to copy it as scum because the only person who they know has seen it deathtunneled it last time?

Re, 177: Behaviorally I do not like your posting, have found several pieces to be contrived and needlessly dragging out inane bullshit in a manner that isn't conducive to moving the game state forward - like you're doing here where you continue to circle back to a Page 7 comment and ask me to explain the same thing multiple different ways like you're probing it from different angles when you're just using new words to get to the same point - and generally not beneficial to town.

In other news, Bell's entrance thus far is underwhelming.

[AGar]

Sorry Agar, if you wanted me to solve the game for you, your princess is in another castle.

I am utterly shocked you don't know the difference between "underwhelming entrances" and "solving the game." Shocked, I tell you!

[AGar]

You said Reck is looking town on engagement and consistency, what consistency are you referring to and how does that make him town?[/post]

I said this in 81 when I felt Reck was present and engaging with the thread - actively pursuing the S&K back and forth to get an explanation on something he wanted an answer on and probing out elsewhere. Consistency was just a feel for how he was probing around and how reads were evolving. I put a lot into just being able to follow a mindset and at least read into how one is trying to push things forward.

You made this comment before Reck's recent catch up post (I think?) what do you see in Reck's recent post that strikes you one way or the other on his alignment?

Recent posting from Reck is kinda null, maybe slight lean town in isolation. He hasn't been here much. The catchup post was fine - but I think catchup posts are largely not worth putting stock into because they can be faked/constructed and you can pull/gauge a lot of what reads would be "accepted" and not rock the boat. It was pretty soundly based.

[AGar]

EBWOP: Preview is your friend, kids.

You said Reck is looking town on engagement and consistency, what consistency are you referring to and how does that make him town?

I said this in 81 when I felt Reck was present and engaging with the thread - actively pursuing the S&K back and forth to get an explanation on something he wanted an answer on and probing out elsewhere. Consistency was just a feel for how he was probing around and how reads were evolving. I put a lot into just being able to follow a mindset and at least read into how one is trying to push things forward.

You made this comment before Reck's recent catch up post (I think?) what do you see in Reck's recent post that strikes you one way or the other on his alignment?

[/quote]

Recent posting from Reck is kinda null, maybe slight lean town in isolation. He hasn't been here much. The catchup post was fine - but I think catchup posts are largely not worth putting stock into because they can be faked/constructed and you can pull/gauge a lot of what reads would be "accepted" and not rock the boat. It was pretty soundly based.

[AGar]

All this talk of consolidating and no votes. Let's get on Bingle.

lmao this is fucking terrible.

[AGar]

@Everyone who is not voting KMD: Why?

I have a weird gut feeling that conflicts with literally everything else I'm reading and so I'm wrestling with my internal monologue tbh.

[AGar]

Klick seems engaged, so that's nice.

397 is more of the same shit of S&K that fits the pattern I noted in 187 - repeating shit for the sake of looking busy but not actually providing any new information. They've been in the backseat since we've moved past the whole joke drag out. Also the wagon climbing to E-1 early, then just patiently stalling out at E-2 for a bit, then dissipating with little fanfare is odd. I admittedly didn't put much into pushing it and it's the opportune structure of a wagon for scum to push a misyeet onto and then cop the blame onto an earlier voter/igniter.

Speaking of, you need to make a post about who you will target tonight if we flip a scum with the elimination so that they'll be conftown if we flip a scum with the elimination and you die anyway, just in case.

not sure how I feel about this. Admittedly not up on what the optimal strategery is, but it feels not great to me. idk. Putting this here for future reference/reflection maybe. If this is optimal strategery then I'll deal with it or something.

Not JK or Motion detector. Inclined to not believe kmd. 267 felt like a soft-claim for friendly neighbor (this was my conflicting internal dialogue), and the given crumb is weak af.

[AGar]

whoops! sorry we read our role pm wrong, we're actually vt

~kanna

lmaooooo get rekt

VOTE: Sou and Kanna

[AGar]

I'll jail reck. If I die he's town.

I mean, if anyone dies he's town, right?

[AGar]

UNVOTE:

[AGar]

Just saw 479, my bad. Didn't read the day in full, just jumped quickly.

[AGar]

Looool I suck.

No-kill gambit is entirely plausible in this scenario - it's got a 5/7 shot of practically guaranteeing a misfloss if Kmd targeted a townie, and they gain the kill back eventually because we're on evens.

There are plenty of people who don't make much sense as SK's partner, this game should practically be a lock. I highly doubt AGar goes for the hard bus all day yesterday. Still think it's super doubtful that it's Bell.
That leaves {Reck, MS, Bingle} in about that order. And I don't really think it's Bingle.

I'd also like to posit that 'blatantly buddying my scumbuddy' isn't a strat I'd be likely to go for as scum replacing into this game lol.

G R O S S

[AGar]

rabble

[AGar]

I wanted more rabble in those threads, am sad.