Micro 962: Geriatric Trio II (Town Victory)

[clidd]

since putting gifs while on mobile is a pain, please imagine a gif of jim moriarty saying hi to sherlock.

VOTE: clidd

hi.

~sou

Hemorrhagic pleasure to see you again, Mr. Datisi and Miss Kanna. I hope we can win in the same alignment this time.

VOTE: Sou and Kanna

Spoiler:

Hey, I'm Date Mike:



I'm here to eliminate Toby because he

RUINS EVERYTHING

!!!! Go back to Costa Rica Toby!!!!





Clidd, are you Toby?!!!! If you are so help me!!!

VOTE: Clidd

Sorry, can't help you now Mike.

[clidd]

Good impressions

Michael Scott

Sou and Kanna

Null

Bingle
Porkens

Bad impressions

Reckoner
Agar
Kmd
Bugspray

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I believe that I don't need to go into details about Michael, the charisma and role-playing he's doing seems healthy and fluid, with no indication that he's pushing himself over the limit or uncomfortable with it. It is easier to interpret something with energy and fluidity when you have a clear mind, and I imagine that the cognitive load of being scum, in this context, would affect his performance and make it all stressful and exhausting.

Regarding Sou and Kanna, post 23 contains observations that I sympathize with most (I disagree about Bingle and Porkens in the town zone), so it is likely that the similarity in the line of thought here (that I can see and agree with what he is seeing) is an indication that he is starting from a point of view similar to mine and, therefore, is possibly of the same alignment.

Bingle and Porkens don't have, in my opinion, substantial AI posts that I can look at and say

''I think he's town''

or

''I think he's scum''

, so they're both in the null zone.

Now, going to the recent bad impressions:

Agar / Bugspray -> They ignored post 23 and voted regardless of the observations that SK (I'll use this acronym now) made.

Reckoner -> Ignorance in post 29 when referring to post 23, bad tone in general. I'm evaluating whether this is linked to his profile baseline.

Kmd -> I remember a different start from him in our past game ( https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ect%5B%5D= 0&user_sort=Go ) where he did not feel the need to justify his absence (take a look at the date/time of the posts on the link) as he did in post 7 here and did not seem confused as in post 22.

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I want to pressure here:

VOTE: Kmd

There is a significant margin of error in the sequential votes on SK, so I prefer to clarify the slot above in a primary way while these people think ^

[clidd]

i dont know who sou & kanna are, and in reading their read on me, it seemed so on-its-face ridiculous that i thought there was a good chance it was a joke

can you elaborate on "bad tone"

Take a look:

Spoiler:

game's too easy

oh fuck, sorry, you're right

ok well i fucking hate this

before i care too much how serious are these reads on a scale of 1-10

it is
LITERALLY
in the post right before you guys questioned me about it???

i'm very confused about this line of questioning???

u said this post was "fake and fabricated" confidence & bravado
and im...not sure how to break this to u...

...it was a joke RVS post. agar HAD NOT EVEN FUCKING POSTED YET

are you fr right now?

I don't see development in your post sequence.

You start from scratch, change the subject, then change again, change again and finally begin to vandalize your questioning. There are direct/objective playstyles that work, but yours is not one of them. I literally can't understand what's going on in your head because the verbalization of your line of thought is confusing and volatile, compromising the message you are trying to get across, which I classify in this context as a bad tone.

I haven't checked your history yet, but if your profile indicates this type of behavior as default, then I will have to change my approach to read you. It would be good to me if you try to facilitate this process.

I voted them BECAUSE of 23. Clumping two people together and making such a blanket read

also now a super tr for reconer because hes totally town

also kinda sr clidd because while its very tonally similar to the clidd~town i know im p sure this is a different one

I'll give you more time to think.

@clidd, knowing my readslist in 23 is a joke, how does that influence your read on us?

I filtered what you typed in post 23 and I don't think it was entirely a joke. There were exaggerations in the way you expressed the impressions, but the starting point of observation that you used in each of the slots did not seem random/invented but rather genuine (that is, it started from an idea you had about each one and tried to expand). It's basically what I did in my old wallpost playstyle, where I took an idea and converted it into an impression, usually being what I thought about the slot, but with an exaggeration of assumptions to reach a conclusion (as town).

For example:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

In this case, there is no change in my read. I can filter and see what you've seen, so I don't think it's coming from a scum perspective.

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Waiting for Kmd and to see if more people will get any impressions about what I said here and my last post.

[clidd]

since putting gifs while on mobile is a pain, please imagine a gif of jim moriarty saying hi to sherlock.

VOTE: clidd

hi.

~sou

This post is a quilt of subtext upon which a close examination reveals the author’s state of mind and intent.

The author was very conscious of the amount of effort they put into this post and wanted us to know why they made that specific level of effort. The post is somewhat self-deprecating, as the author tacitly admits that the value of the message would not be worth the effort to deliver it as described.

On the subject of effort, it is also important to note that the author had at their disposal simpler options, e.g. “moriarti.gif,” which would have conveyed the same basic surface level message.

However, instead, the author engages the reader in at least two functions of discourse: excuse and request. The use of “please” and the excuse for the lack of effort place the reader in a dominant position relative to the author.

The choice of object is also highly significant. The author casts themselves in the role of the villain! This naturally invites the reader to experience a sense of irony and self-awareness, which are both humorous and endearing feelings.

Finally, the post implies a fondness and rivalry with clidd that the author hopes to rekindle in our present game. This functions both as a reason for the vote and an invitation to renew the bond of mutual playfulness.

In summary, the author was consciously aware of the level and nature of attention they would receive as a result of this post. They took active measures to diminish the importance of their message, and assumed a subordinate posture in the discourse.

In my opinion the post is highly contrived and specifically designed to give the impression that the author is town. My hypothesis is that the author is, in fact, scum, and they are trying to pocket clidd.

VOTE: Sou and Kanna

Why did you use "the author" instead of his name/they ?

[clidd]

I feel like I'm not speaking the same language as some players.

[clidd]

[clidd]

I will try to clear my mind before re-reading the game.

[clidd]

Guys, KMD is scum.

I played as scum vs town!him and my tone was basically the same I'm using here (which is why Porkens is scumreading me, because he also played as town in the same game) but KMD is kind of ignoring me.

Town!Kmd would look at my posts and vote instantly on me.

[clidd]

Sou and Kanna (Datisi + Kanna)

I had problems right away with the faux readslist because I didn't realize it was a joke at first. When Souk revealed it was based on the playlist, my immediate reaction was "what was the point," so I asked and in 65 I thought the answer was just fine. Turning the game towards productive discussion is a great reason to make an exaggerated readslist.

I understand the rebuttal in 67, and I like the reads in 61. I also can understand why they thought Reck was pretending not to get the joke in 53. Finally, I agree with their read on Bugs.
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xReckonerX

As with Souk above, I understand his point of view. I believe he didn't realize the joke as of 31 and I see that he was asking for a reason for the joke in 53, not still pushing the idea that it was a joke. He did seem over the top in 27.

In 64 I agree on the MS, clidd, and KMD reads, but I don't understand the hard townread of bingle and the assessment of Agar seems hypocritical. We are far apart on Bugspray.

AGar

I really like 51 and I want to really like 59 but I'm getting a whiff of something - not "LAMIST" but Look at Me I'm So ...something?

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Michael Scott (Auro + volxen)

54 is terrible, as there is plenty to actually talk about at that point but instead the choice was made to continue meming. I also do not understand the townread of Clidd in 55. NEITHER read of clidd is explained in 62.

However, I like 61 pushback on clidd, and I

love

73, but perhaps

too

much. I Vig this slot.

Kmd4390

I like 70 and I've come to agree with the read on Souk. On the other hand, the “what the fuck even is this thread” rang lurky to me.

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Bingle

I don't like the pocketing in 49, and I'm offended by the idea that I'm a fucking clown, here to amuse you? Is that what you think you motherfucker? <pulls gun>. Also the chronic focus on mod-posts is smokescreen-y

clidd

Hokay this one takes some quotes:

Spoiler:

I believe that I don't need to go into details about Michael, the charisma and role-playing he's doing seems healthy and fluid, with no indication that he's pushing himself over the limit or uncomfortable with it. It is easier to interpret something with energy and fluidity when you have a clear mind, and I imagine that the cognitive load of being scum, in this context, would affect his performance and make it all stressful and exhausting.

First: “I don’t need to go into detail…<goes into detail>.” I think this reveals a lack of confidence. Also, the read itself is

garbage

. Finally, it came

after

and seemed to be based

on

Souk’s jokelist. It weirdly apes the tone of that as well. It does not seem genuine.

You start from scratch, change the subject, then change again, change again and finally begin to vandalize your questioning. There are direct/objective playstyles that work, but yours is not one of them. I literally can't understand what's going on in your head because the verbalization of your line of thought is confusing and volatile, compromising the message you are trying to get across, which I classify in this context as a bad tone.

This is towards Reck. It seems like a stretch to me. I don’t think the progression of Recks posts show any lack of progression, Reck is literally commenting on the game as it progresses. I basically completely disagree with this analysis and don’t see how clidd reached it. So it’s not a good case to scum read Reck by.

Also in 42, clidd pressed bugspray but has yet to follow up on it at all. Despite posting 4 more times since then.

I filtered what you typed in post 23 and I don't think it was entirely a joke. There were exaggerations in the way you expressed the impressions, but the starting point of observation that you used in each of the slots did not seem random/invented but rather genuine (that is, it started from an idea you had about each one and tried to expand). It's basically what I did in my old wallpost playstyle, where I took an idea and converted it into an impression, usually being what I thought about the slot, but with an exaggeration of assumptions to reach a conclusion (as town).

I don’t know what “I filtered what you said…” is supposed to mean. The scum-town progression in the readslist was based entirely on the playerlist. So when clidd says “The starting point of the observations did not seem random or invented,” it’s patently false unless somehow the playlist did line up with Souk’s actual reads, which I doubt.

This just looks made up to me - like a cover for sheeping fake reads.

Since then, there’s just been a lot of nothing.

bugspray

So Bugs claimed to scum read Souk based on a post that Souk didn't make. It seems like a genuine slip to me - I don't believe bugs had a real read, and fucked up trying to cover that.

creature hasn't replaced in yet, so
VOTE: clidd

By the way, you are starting from a base point where I am scum and how that would explain my posts/actions.

I consider you town for that external influence, but I just wanted to make you aware that you will probably always have a hard time reading me, regardless of the game we play.

[clidd]

Volxen's question (Michael) makes sense, I should be more critical of the Auro + Volxen set, especially Volxen. Chances are good that Michael is town because of that argument.

[clidd]

Clidd I'm actually townreading you. Why did I scum read you in the past? I don't remember playing with you.

Same game you played with Porkens, Albert, Lilith, Flavor leaf, something_smart, etc.

There is no way for you to townread me here, unless you're scum and I know I'm town. I pushed hard your mislynch on that game, I don't think you forgot that.

[clidd]

I can see SK being scum by PoE.

xReckonerX trashtalk seems "towny".

Agar trashtalk seems forced.

Kmd's partner is probably inside the pool of {Agar, Bingle, SK}

[clidd]

Clidd I'm actually townreading you. Why did I scum read you in the past? I don't remember playing with you.

Same game you played with Porkens, Albert, Lilith, Flavor leaf, something_smart, etc.

There is no way for you to townread me here, unless you're scum and I know I'm town. I pushed hard your mislynch on that game, I don't think you forgot that.

Correction: and know I'm town *

[clidd]

No, it isn't.

More votes on KMD please.

[clidd]

Jesus, what is this game.

[clidd]

Can we eliminate me then ? 5 or 6 players are scumreading me for bad reasons (in my opinion) and this will probably continue on later stages of the game.

If we flip my slot, my opinions won't be coming from 'scum' anymore and you guys can reevaluate the wagon on SK.

It's likely that I will be eliminated by PoE too, which is another point of not wanting to be alive.

[clidd]

I feel that my presence is a laggard in the possible chances of winning.

[clidd]

I don't like how Reckoner / Agar are playing, but I tried to be tolerant and understand which post was coming from a town mentality and which could be being forged.

This includes assessing the context and position of the insults.

[clidd]

And I don't think that the nature of this playerlist sympathized with my posts, so I don't think that trying to argue with counterpoints would be effective here.

I see no problem with self-elimination if I feel that I could be a mislynchable slot on a possible lylo.

[clidd]

This isn't playing against my wicon, by the way.

I just think that it will be bad with my slot alive on lylo.

[clidd]

I feel like I no longer have the patience for bad game starts, like this one.

I see no reason why many people would suspect me when I was being transparent in my thoughts. I think it is the nature of the playerlist, as I mentioned.

This movement of slots in my PoE is a change in my impressions, but I don't feel energetic to justify it.

[clidd]

And considering that I stipulated a principle of not replacing out from games recently, my solution is basically beneficial to both sides.

I don't feel welcome in this game and I will be probably eliminated eventually.

[clidd]

I'm ok, don't worry.

[clidd]

Agar / Bugspray -> They ignored post 23 and voted regardless of the observations that SK (I'll use this acronym now) made.

I voted them BECAUSE of 23. Clumping two people together and making such a blanket read

also now a super tr for reconer because hes totally town

also kinda sr clidd because while its very tonally similar to the clidd~town i know im p sure this is a different one

I don't think Bugspray would do this post as scum towards me ^

[clidd]

And he replacing out like that is ''wtf'' if he's scum.

[clidd]

I'm suspecting people who are townreading me, to be honest.

Like SK(I don't know if you're now), Bingle and KMD.

[clidd]

Because we have played together in a really old game and my style changed since then.

I wanted him to think better about me, considering that he said that I'm different here.

[clidd]

This one: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81841

[clidd]

No, I ignored that. I didn't want to start an argument with him.

[clidd]

I'll take a break, I don't know how many posts I have left.

[clidd]

I don't think you're an empathetic person, Reck.

So your interpretive error is understandable. I imagine that Agar comes to the same conclusion as you.

But I confess that I would be able to do drama as scum, but not to the point of suggesting self-elimination.

[clidd]

I think clidds meltdown shows us that he really cares about the game and I don't see scum who cares about the game offering their life up on Day 1.

This is true, I would like to play without being an universal suspect.

[clidd]

So, KMD, if you're town and I'm wrong about you being scum, you probably feel that I'm town. In this case, what are you going to do with this information ?

[clidd]

I don't think you're an empathetic person, Reck.

So your interpretive error is understandable. I imagine that Agar comes to the same conclusion as you.

But I confess that I would be able to do drama as scum, but not to the point of suggesting self-elimination.

this has nothing to do with empathy and has everything to do with the way you went from neutral to breaking down and suggesting a vote on yourself like a switch flipped
but your subtle condescension is duly noted

there's no natural progression

you just went "i have meta on kmd, vote him"

people responded to you. specifically porkens responded by re-explaining his read on you (that you had misrepped), and in response, you throw your hands up and say we should just lynch you because every person who is voting for you is voting for "bad reasons"

yet you make no attempt to engage with those "bad reasons" to make any headway. you just condescend to people to discredit them

Makes sense.

Why you didn't play like that before ? ^

From your previous posts, I had a very negative impression on you cognitively. But here I understood your message perfectly.

[clidd]

And yeah, I'm lazy to explain my thoughts.

What I said abour Kmd is just what I think, I don't have a progression at all.

[clidd]

you've all done something I hate already this game except reck and porkens

I've decided I am going to ignore clidd for the time being

Wise.

And good vote.

[clidd]

Miss Kanna, could I

persuade

you that there is scum between KMD and Bingle ?

Do you think there is any truth in people who see me as town to be an indicator that they know my alignment (scum) and would like to take a stand if I were eliminated ? Wouldn't it be normal to think that I am scum for my progression seeing this from a town mentality ?

Or would it make more sense for scum, in this scenario, to take advantage of the waves of suspicion about me and formalize a scumread ?

[clidd]

Actually, KMD is less scummy now. So we're talking about Bingle.

VOTE: Bingle

[clidd]

I saw Agar as a partner to KMD, but I don't think KMD stills way scummy as I thought. I need to see how Bingle will react to me.

But I'm willing to vote Agar too, if possible. His recent reactions are forced (as I said before, his trashtalk isn't towny as Reck).

[clidd]

I saw Agar as a partner to KMD, but I don't think KMD stills way scummy as I thought. I need to see how Bingle will react to me.

But I'm willing to vote Agar too, if possible. His recent reactions are forced (as I said before, his trashtalk isn't towny as Reck).

I want' to see where the Bingle stuff goes but...
I'm putting a pin in this post for later.

I can change my mind at any moment, by the way.

[clidd]

It would be good if we eliminate me before lylo, otherwise it'll be a chaos.

But today let's try to hit scum.

[clidd]

Bingle is E-2, is he going to say something ?

[clidd]

Actually, no. If we didn't hit scum today, I'm willing to be eliminated tomorrow.

C'mon buddy, I know that you know that I'm town, Volxen. My pool of townreads is Porkens, Reck, Bulge and you (not sure on SK yet, he's between scum and town, something like null-null).

And the scum pool is Bingle, KMD (less sure), Agar (depending on his next reactions, I can change my mind).

[clidd]

Choo. Choo. Motherfuckers.

I literally fucking quoted the post you're referencing you dolt.

What the fuck is this horseshit? This is :badposting: and is super contrived.

I wanna circle back to this because look if you're gonna pull some dumb shit like meta (which I echo Reck's comments about trash), at least don't ask that person to do the heavy lifting for you. For so many fucking reasons.

Michael Scott is the worst kind of hydra and this attempt to stay "in character" is going to make me very annoyed throughout this game.

33 was garbage to begin with but looking at a VC just confirms that feeling.

Hi KMD. It's just an observation. I know your schedule is fucky.

Not sure I can help you see what is bad about the timing and position of Porkens's vote if you don't already see it

This is bad but Kmd's response is also bad. Everything from clidd's outburst can be binned in the "IDGAF about any of this." bin. Anyone trying to argue its indicative of alignment one way or another can catch these hands.

*I* do not give a fuck about clidd's outburst.

Take a look ^

What do you think about these posts ?

[clidd]

So it's not alignment indicative because YOU don't give a fuck about it?

It's not alignment indicative because that kind of tantrum can be pretty easily emulated regardless of alignment and crying "woe is me" when you have no votes on you is a waste of the limited posting available in the game. Clidd cried "Oh don't take me to lylo" because he wasn't happy with how people are playing, not because he was under immense scrutiny or anything game related.

That's true. I can do that as scum to a certain extent, but overdoing it goes against my principles.

I have one question offtopic: following your behavior throughout the game, I noticed that you don't control what you want to express verbally. Is that your personality or a character ? or is this eventual, when you see something that you consider to be extremely incoherent/bad/etc ?

[clidd]

I'm kind of coasting right now, I don't feel very energetic.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[clidd]

Michael lock-town.

[clidd]

We should do Bingle today.

[clidd]

I wonder how long I can coast here and say that I'm coasting without nothing happening.

[clidd]

Scum just don't want to push me for ''?'' reasons.

[clidd]

Actually, I'm more sure on Michael/Porkens/Bulge being town.

Not so sure on Reck anymore.

I don't know about Kanna, KMD, Agar.

But Bingle is probably scum

[clidd]

No, it's just that I lost the pace of this game because of other parallel games.

[clidd]

Maybe I'll do some wallpost in later days (If I'm alive).

[clidd]

Well.. Not as if I'm thinking about living to see lylo, of course.

[clidd]

I'm more sure on Michael/Porkens/Bulge/Agar being town.

Not so sure on Reck anymore.

I don't know about Kanna and KMD.

But Bingle is maybe scum

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PoE {Reck, Kanna, Kmd, Bingle} has two scum inside.

[clidd]

I'm kind of giving a time from the site, so my last post are my official readlist.

[clidd]

It would be good if you guys sort KMD today, otherwise will be a problem later.

[clidd]

Good luck!