Newbie 2025 | Lilies | Game Over

Nahdia · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:06 pm

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Newbie 2025: Lilies

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Game Over

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Mafia Victory

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Nahdia · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:07 pm

Game Rules

The Gist

Day 1 is up to 10 days long. Days 2+ are up to 7 days long. Nights are 48 hours long.
Post at least once every 36 hours (ideally more often) or you will be prodded and eventually replaced.
Eliminations occur immediately upon majority formation.
Be nice and respectful of your fellow players.

Spoiler: Common Rules

Spoiler: Gameplay Rules

Spoiler: Game Conduct Rules

Spoiler: Inactivity and V/LA (Vacation/Limited Access) Guidelines

Nahdia · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:07 pm

Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: List of Setups

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town JailkeeperWelcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town CopWelcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town MasonWelcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that PLAYER NAME is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town DoctorWelcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly NeighborWelcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RolecopWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Nahdia · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:07 pm

Introduction and Tips

Thanks to Irrelephant11 and others for their contributions to these tips.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

Nahdia · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:25 pm

Role PMs sent out. Players have 48 hours to confirm by replying with their role and alignment:

(expired on 2020-08-16 21:55:00)

.

We will begin when 7 players have confirmed.

Nahdia · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:52 am

We have all confirmations. Day 1 will now begin!

Vote Count 1.00

Not Voting (9):

loz, ItalianoVD, shellyc, Redados, rocknil, MUSHSHAGANA, MagikHorse, Tatsuya Kaname, Frogsterking

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-08-25 15:51:33)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With nine players alive, it takes

five

to reach majority.

MUSHSHAGANA · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:05 am

This is where we all point fingers at each other until someone does something that other people can latch on to, yes?

VOTE: Frogsterking

I have reasons, and I will even explain them! On request, I can explain them in any of these unique styles:

Mad scientist
Divine prophesy <-- Today's special!
Very upset historian
Philosopher (esoteric) <-- A personal favorite!
Conspiracy theorist
Normal person

But I'm probably going to default to normal person. Less confusing that way.

Frogsterking · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:51 am

Hey guys! I'm very excited to start this game! I will post a longer introductory post later after I've done the dishes before my gf gets back!

I was curious though so I wanted to bite:

In post 6, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:This is where we all point fingers at each other until someone does something that other people can latch on to, yes?

VOTE: Frogsterking

I have reasons, and I will even explain them! On request, I can explain them in any of these unique styles:

Mad scientist
Divine prophesy <-- Today's special!
Very upset historian
Philosopher (esoteric) <-- A personal favorite!
Conspiracy theorist
Normal person

But I'm probably going to default to normal person. Less confusing that way.

I'm dying to hear the explanation from the

Divine Prophecy

and

Philosopher

point of views!

shellyc · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:52 am

Second post of the game.

So I'm Shelly, having played one scum game (Newbie 2019) if you want to meta-dive. Played mafia IRL and have chat mafia experience.

By the way, what's the explanation of your vote? Normal person explanation would be fine.

VOTE: MUSHSHAGANA for being the first poster

shellyc · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:53 am

Oops didn't notice someone had posted before me, that was the third post of the game.

Frogster, you haven't started by RVS (random voting). In a low info stage, why don't you vote?

shellyc · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:55 am

In post 7, Frogsterking wrote:I'm dying to hear the explanation from the Divine Prophecy and Philosopher point of views!

Any special reasons from those PoVs? Just curious

Frogsterking · Post Post #11 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:10 am

In post 10, shellyc wrote:
In post 7, Frogsterking wrote:I'm dying to hear the explanation from the Divine Prophecy and Philosopher point of views!
Any special reasons from those PoVs? Just curious

Probably because those two were marked as the best/most exclusive and the price for all of them was the same so I chose what seemed to be the most valuable at that point in time!

In post 9, shellyc wrote:Oops didn't notice someone had posted before me, that was the third post of the game.

Frogster, you haven't started by RVS (random voting). In a low info stage, why don't you vote?

I will! I want at least a little time to think about it. I have to run to Target now to pick up some dish scrapers bfore i can do the dishes. My GF is in a bad mood today.

MUSHSHAGANA · Post Post #12 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:17 am

Ahem.

LO, it was told that there would be Two and Seven, and the Two were to be friends only to The Adversary (cursed be his name), and the Seven were to withstand their predations. "For one night, and all of ye may die", so it is written.
And it was foretold that the Seven WOULD NOT KNOW the Two, and that they might only withstand their siege by counting out those among them, and proclaiming one to be of the Two.
And I TELL YOU, we are in this time, and the Two ARE among us. We cannot know their faces nor their natures, yea, they do stalk among us like SHADOWS. And there is but one way to DRAW FORTH the TRUTH: ye must VOTE on who ye believe belong to the Two.
And NOW do I cast my vote down: yea, though it is surely mistaken, it will elicit reaction, whereby one might get information. And I pick one of the OLD and WISE among us, I tell you THEIR EXPERIENCE will guide us to the light! And they bear the face of a frog, one of those Unclean Spirits of The Adversary -- so I do not have a shame to feel, should they be truly ajudged guilty by us.
Praise be to the Moderator!

And two...

Let us understand the nature of the world in which we exist: there are seven Innocents, and two Murderers. There is no escape: this place is a grave. Whether we are disentombed before we suffocate is a matter of our actions: we can only work together to reopen that gate to the world of life when we can trust our backs to remain unsullied by knives, our necks to resist the garrote.
The Murderers, we shall see, are symbols of that Final Death. And the Innocents symbolize that there is no life too pure for the Reaper.
Among us, cloaked in darkness such that we can only hear our own voices (the fire of Plato gone out, snuffed by an anti-Prometheus), we have those who are new to this, but no more innocent than others, for change is feared and fear has only a few reactions -- one of which is fighting, violence. And we have those who are old, and are intended to guide us, for they have been in this pit before, and we may all very well return, perhaps together, perhaps apart. It is in their interests to teach us the Ways by which they have survived, for we all are innocent at times and murderers at others.
But they have goals of their own, and they may be vicious or kind, pure or caked in filth: we cannot know. The darkness, it is absolute. We can only find them by their voices, grasp tightly, and threaten them, accusatory, outraged, and see how they respond: for truth comes out of conflict, as only conflict can dissolve lies.

And finally...

It seemed smartest to vote on one of the experienced players. They're more likely to understand what happens in the RVS, and they're going to react, or fail to react, accordingly. There's three, and I have one vote. So I picked Frogsterking because he has "king" in the name.
This has a somewhat higher chance of being someone who flusters easily, because royal titles in usernames tend to correspond with nerdy people or people who think highly of themselves. That's not a perfect correlation, just a recurring theme I've noticed in my, uh, 19 years online. This point is basically a game of chance and I didn't bother researching anyone this game for meta, so that seemed like the best way to maximize chances of getting information.

MUSHSHAGANA · Post Post #13 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:42 am

Occurs to me I didn't do an introduction of myself really!

I've had a couple games of experience here.... like 3 and a half years ago.

(I forgot my username, and even if I had remembered it, I've lost all of the information I could use to get back into that account. So I made another, it's been a long time anyway and I need to get the rust off of me. Old username is "cassielle" for the interested, found it earlier today. Fair warning, it's likely to be misleading for meta, I was under way more real life stress at that time.)

I also had, even before that, a Mafia game on another forum. Or two games? Not sure, it's been a looooong time.

But functionally, I'm brand new. Forgot damn near everything.

Never played Mafia off of a forum, I feel like it'd be less interesting to me: I like the asynchronous nature, the way it lets you overthink yourself into a corner, and so on. It feels like a more immediate medium would rely more on intuition and gut feeling and charisma than strategy and psychology, and I'm just not into that.

ItalianoVD · Post Post #14 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:24 am

Oh okay.

Gotta get you back for last game.

VOTE: shellyc

ItalianoVD · Post Post #15 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:26 am

In post 6, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:This is where we all point fingers at each other until someone does something that other people can latch on to, yes?

VOTE: Frogsterking

I have reasons, and I will even explain them! On request, I can explain them in any of these unique styles:

Mad scientist
Divine prophesy <-- Today's special!
Very upset historian
Philosopher (esoteric) <-- A personal favorite!
Conspiracy theorist
Normal person

But I'm probably going to default to normal person. Less confusing that way.

I was gonna go with conspiracy theorist. That’s always fun. But if you wanna be normal, I guess you can.

Redados · Post Post #16 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:31 am

I know cryptography isn’t allowed so I am decoding it for everyone. I am breadcrumbing my alignment:

Look at the first letter of every sentence
At Me
Me Is So Town
I am town
Seriously Guys
Town I am town

Redados · Post Post #17 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:32 am

VOTE: ItalianoVD for not having a stationary profile picture

ItalianoVD · Post Post #18 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:35 am

Only other player I know is Redados. How’s it going my dude?

ItalianoVD · Post Post #19 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:35 am

Lol. Moving gifs are better and you know it.

Redados · Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:40 am

In post 19, ItalianoVD wrote:Lol. Moving gifs are better and you know it.

In post 19, Redados wrote:ItalianoVD, if you happen to read this after the game, please change your avatar to be stationary lol

In post 18, ItalianoVD wrote:Only other player I know is Redados. How’s it going my dude?

I'm feeling pretty good and looking forward to playing again! I have a question for you: are you Italian?

ItalianoVD · Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:46 am

In post 20, Redados wrote:
In post 19, ItalianoVD wrote:Lol. Moving gifs are better and you know it.

In post 19, Redados wrote:ItalianoVD, if you happen to read this after the game, please change your avatar to be stationary lol
Oh yeah. I remember that. If it really bothers you that much I will change it.

In post 18, ItalianoVD wrote:Only other player I know is Redados. How’s it going my dude?
I'm feeling pretty good and looking forward to playing again! I have a question for you: are you Italian?

That’s cool, same here. And nope. It’s the same name I use in WeBL. I’m actually a colored fella. Can I say that?

Do I have to say “African American”?

Redados · Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:58 am

Err I cared more about your location but thanks for sharing! There's so much to learn about everyone! I'm a gemini and I like long walks and playing racquetball every day.

Only one of those things is true but it sounded nice

Tatsuya Kaname · Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:26 pm

The only problem about this exchange is that this is not General Discussion Forum.

VOTE: Redados

By the way, I'm a game show nerd, a board game nerd and a weeb. I mod 10-times more IRL (Werewolf) games than playing those.

I suck at Mafia and if you guys vote me, then I suck too.

MUSHSHAGANA · Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:33 pm

Well! If we're doing THAT kind of introduction... only one of the following statements is ENTIRELY true:

I am a published author who has worked with notable horror authors like Laird Barron or Adam Washington.
I have been homeless for nine years.
I drink like a fish.
My middle name quite literally is Fraudulence.
I eat very little food, and people are alarmed by my diet.