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[Nosferatu]

first!

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there can only be one
VOTE: rcenigma

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Because of my overall experience I am right on village/town reads probably about 80-85% of the time all time

have u considered that village/town tends to be abt 80% of the playerlist

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prodge to post when i'm sober

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im posting for the mod not you doofus

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I feel like Nosferatu if he flipped town would just post some filler there instead of explaining that he couldn't post filler because he's drunk.

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

what are you even saying bro
which one of us was drinking last night lmao

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VOTE: walter

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By the end of page 3 I will have caught 1 scum.

Proceed.

Nope. By the end of day 1 no one will have caught scum. Never happened before, it isnt going to change here

Wdym by “no one will have caught scum”

I find day 1s fairly useless, way too much noise and people being too clever. no one has got any info to go on and day one is just random....excepting scum never get lynched.

thats cause you suck at the game

VOTE: Walter

RQS should be permabannable

finally some quality content

[Nosferatu]

I recognize tour cote has valid criticism of my gameplay so far.
Nm nosferatu
Any fucking reads?

thats a lil personal dont u think?

[Nosferatu]

Wouldn't call active lurking + silent BW + immediate counter BW from three other players a null slot or bad excuse for a vote.

u unironically sat down at ur computer and said that u didnt believe that i would post sober bc the person in my avatar was smoking LMAO

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wait until sober to post*

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he posted too many questions its not that deep

[Nosferatu]

he posted too many questions its not that deep

Oh I see so nothing. ;)

idk why u were looking for something where there is none

[Nosferatu]

am i getting punk'd lmao?

u accused me of active lurking on like my 2nd or 3rd post lmao?

did prodging become AI while i was away im starting to get lost in the sauce rn

[Nosferatu]

Well at the very least he’s an unhelpful pointless townie
VOTE: Nosferatu

ok now i know somethings up bro you're not telling me you actually read that incoherent ramble and just said "well ya know hes not doing much"

WHAT

I also thought Nosferatu's reaction to my FoS was terrible in addition to his silent BW in the spoilers below:

I feel like Nosferatu if he flipped town would just post some filler there instead of explaining that he couldn't post filler because he's drunk.

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

what are you even saying bro
which one of us was drinking last night lmao

wait until sober to post*

VOTE: walter

Overall sordoros appears closer to new-neutral than new-scum from my point of view while Nosferatu straight up deserves a BW.

he didnt even say what he didnt like bro

what the fuck is a silent bandwagon, a naked vote?

he literally quoted a correction you can't even tell what im talking about

this is like performance art

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hes literally babbling and you're eating it up LMFAO did you even open the spoilers???

[Nosferatu]

I think Frog is probably town

also moving my vote somewhere more useful
VOTE: Walter

why do you think its more useful there???

[Nosferatu]

ignoring above

hes literally babbling and you're eating it up LMFAO did you even open the spoilers???

An example of Nosferatu's ATE in the quote above.

thats not what appeal to emotion means

and logical fallacies aren't meant to be thrown around as buzzwords to call out "errors" as you see fit

I think Frog is probably town

also moving my vote somewhere more useful
VOTE: Walter

why do you think its more useful there???

@Nosferatu: Do you think Walter is scum? If so, why do you think Raya shouldn't think Walter is scum?

no, someone literally asked why the wagon existed and i said that it was literally like trolling idk why anyone would join the wagon after that exchange

[Nosferatu]

Well at the very least he’s an unhelpful pointless townie
VOTE: Nosferatu

ok now i know somethings up bro you're not telling me you actually read that incoherent ramble and just said "well ya know hes not doing much"

WHAT

I also thought Nosferatu's reaction to my FoS was terrible in addition to his silent BW in the spoilers below:

I feel like Nosferatu if he flipped town would just post some filler there instead of explaining that he couldn't post filler because he's drunk.

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

what are you even saying bro
which one of us was drinking last night lmao

wait until sober to post*

VOTE: walter

Overall sordoros appears closer to new-neutral than new-scum from my point of view while Nosferatu straight up deserves a BW.

#1

he didnt even say what he didnt like bro

#2

what the fuck is a silent bandwagon, a naked vote?

#3

he literally quoted a correction you can't even tell what im talking about

this is like performance art

(added numbers and bold)

#1

I just made a massive post detailing exactly what I didn't like.

#2

Yes where I refer to a silent BW it means hopping on the BW with a naked vote.

#3

This is true, I did leave a quote out on accident. Unfortunately (for you) having them both together doesn't help too much with the comprehension anyway. Here they both are:

Wouldn't call active lurking + silent BW + immediate counter BW from three other players a null slot or bad excuse for a vote.

u unironically sat down at ur computer and said that u didnt believe that i would post sober bc the person in my avatar was smoking LMAO

wait until sober to post*

I think it's interesting you became image-conscious enough to self-correct your post above immediately after the pressure on you started. From my point of view the self-preservation escalates here:

I think Frog is probably town

also moving my vote somewhere more useful
VOTE: Walter

why do you think its more useful there???

Now that Nosferatu's been called out (and read my post thoroughly enough to point out the missing quote) he finally asks his first open-ended question of the day.

I'd also like to point out that Nosferatu uses ATE constantly as a defense with comments like "srsly bro u think that lmao."

oh boy numbers now

1. no you did not explain why those posts were a "terrible reaction"
3. i didnt become image conscious i literally started playing the game when i wasnt before??? why did you "call out" my """""active lurking""""" if you didnt want it to stop?

[Nosferatu]

i dont like unvoting; i dont see a pressing reason to switch off, etc

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callforjudgement continues their focus on optimal play. I suspect their desire to lecture people over how they ought to play is a NAI personality trait.

@Nos, do you think Frogster is mafia?

probably not i cant imagine one would be so audaciously unintelligible like that esp cause most ppl in this game are kinda nooby just off join date

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I think my problem with this game is all of the surface level accusations that are surely to go nowhere. Some of them might even be on scum! But I only know one person that has voted scum for sure.

Nos I think you reducing Frogs case down to unintelligible babble is disingenuous at best. But the strong reaction to a weak case concerning.

What's more concerning is your attention being directed at frog and not the following votes on a wagon that you should recognize doesn't hold much weight.

What's up man talk to me, what's got you bothered?

lmao im like confused lowkey like am i actually scummy its like reading a fever dream

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callforjudgement continues their focus on optimal play. I suspect their desire to lecture people over how they ought to play is a NAI personality trait.

I do it to make it possible to distinguish between players who play in an anti-town way out of ignorance and players who play in an anti-town way out of choice. It isn't intended to read me, so much as to read other players.

On that note, VOTE: Nosferatu. I was hoping to sort Nosferatu by seeing where their vote moved after I pointed out that it wasn't doing anything useful, but Nosferatu seems happy to be intentionally hard to read and to make it hard for it to scumhunt other players, even after I explained the consequences of those actions.

I think Frogster's initial case on Nosferatu is weak (but seems to be sincere), but Nosferatu's reaction to it has been pretty telling in its own right.

im so over this bullshit read my town pm and weep

VOTE: nosferatu

if ur on this wagon you suck at this game

it is anti-town wincon to bleed town d1 and you know it cfg, and that bullshit abt consequences of being on whats basically an rvs wagon is ridiculous

those actions.

I think Frogster's initial case on Nosferatu is weak (but seems to be sincere), but Nosferatu's reaction to it has been pretty telling in its own right.

which bit didn't you like?

i dont like unvoting; i dont see a pressing reason to switch off, etc

this I amfine with for example.
note that you are buddying up with frogster and using their logic/wagon to justify your own vote

thats not what buddying means bro im not pocketing him by telling him his case is shit or endearing myself to him in any fucking way

just send me to the fucking spoiler chat

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What's more concerning is your attention being directed at frog and not the following votes on a wagon that you should recognize doesn't hold much weight.

IM VOTING someone on a wagon that doesn't hold much weight like what the fuck am i reading

[Nosferatu]

im not entertaining u more votes lemme see the spoiler chat

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Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

wrap it up we found scum! someone is smoking in my profile picture!

[Nosferatu]

it is anti-town wincon to bleed town d1 and you know it cfg

I can parse this sentence fragment about three different ways, none of which make any sense. Are you saying that you're acting scummy because you think looking town is anti-town? That you think I'm town, but playing badly because I'm trying too hard to be townread? That you think I'm scum because I look town? (Why do you even think that I look town?)

Which Idk if I really like that, feels like he’s trying to hint PR in a slick way
I’m open to talking about this if Nosf cares to though.

that is what im saying, im not hinting at a pr tho i think its optimal play as town unless you have a negative utility role which i don't

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If the townies act like that, the scum will act like that too. Then, how will you ever tell them apart?

getting good

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ik for a fact that you've played with good scumplayers who actively scumhunt and promote pro-town ideas and are totally passable as town by like 80% of this playerbase so that argument falls on its face right there

the whole game is trying to tell them apart lmao

[Nosferatu]

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what happened there.

In practice, this does not occur

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i'm saying i've played plenty of games with totally obvious scum that win in XyLo

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i'm also not saying that you should be always anti town as town but it behooves you to do so in the first couple of days so you can actually play the game lmfao

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well, id rather lose a game being wrong in xylo than winning from literally just obvtowning and dying night 1 but we have diff personalities and we've already left the scope of this game

[Nosferatu]

I’m doing Creature style reads this game, deal with it :cool:

ItalianoVD
callforjudgement

Gamma Emerald

BananaCucho

SJReaver

Not_Mafia
geraintm
Raya36
Frogsterking

Nosferatu

RCEnigma
sordros

WaltertheDunce10

Linethrough = townread, italics = not exactly a townread but don’t want to vote there
FYI I will probably work on tuning my reads soon

And I assume neither means neutral or null ?

no neutral means 3p

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neither*

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if i get wagoned for dumb shit like this its obvious im not gonna have the agency i want later on so id rather get it over with now and just go next

[Nosferatu]

arent i scum anyway? why are you trying to get me to unvote its against ur wincon

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you know what i dont think someone with an avatar such as urself would engage in this kind of pro-town behavior

VOTE: cfg

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VOTE: cfj

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i know that

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im so over this bullshit read my town pm and weep

VOTE: nosferatu

if ur on this wagon you suck at this game

it is anti-town wincon to bleed town d1 and you know it cfg, and that bullshit abt consequences of being on whats basically an rvs wagon is ridiculous

This is scummy

^ scumpost btw remember for later

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I can't work out if this is genuine frustration or an pro town fake or a scum fake.
like, if any game you are in is causing you this must anger then just leave, it isn't good for your mental health.

this is exactly why i stopped playing in the first place but alas im bored and quarantined and i already quit the game that made me even MORE frustrated so here we are

you know what i dont think someone with an avatar such as urself would engage in this kind of pro-town behavior

VOTE: cfg

my god you are making it easy for a wagon to form on you

?

you think someone who couldn't take the time to carefully upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is and instead lazily uploaded black text on what appears to be cosmic background radiation would be the type to spend so much time pontificating about optimal pro-town play?

personally i find that to be a little bit dubious

[Nosferatu]

it is anti-town wincon to bleed town d1 and you know it cfg

I can parse this sentence fragment about three different ways, none of which make any sense. Are you saying that you're acting scummy because you think looking town is anti-town? That you think I'm town, but playing badly because I'm trying too hard to be townread? That you think I'm scum because I look town? (Why do you even think that I look town?)

Which Idk if I really like that, feels like he’s trying to hint PR in a slick way
I’m open to talking about this if Nosf cares to though.

that is what im saying, im not hinting at a pr tho i think its optimal play as town unless you have a negative utility role which i don't

Missed this before
Why is being obvtown early bad for you?

cause i like being alive

[Nosferatu]

selfvotes are always scummy

nice dodge :D

[Nosferatu]

Just as personal preference, or are you better as a player in late game?

just a preference

selfvotes are always scummy

I don’t know if it’s only a scum based action, but definitely anti-town. On that note

@Nosferatu: what purpose does it serve besides ATE? Which is not helping town, but helping yourself? With the numbers the way it is a townie elimination on Day 1 will not break or lose the game for town. I know play styles/personality have a lot to do with how players react to pressure and wagons being formed on them, etc., but your action seemed fake and forced (scum) or at the very least bad unhelpful play (townie)

i literally wanted to just get eliminated to spite the town lol ive done it as scum for AtE but its never been called out as such its not really all that deep

selfvotes are always scummy

nice dodge :D

How was that a dodge? You self-voted, I find self-votes to be scummy. You're frustrating read as fake

i literally didn't ask your opinion on self-votes
the fact that you feel the need to back up ur opinion after i call ur post scummy is v interesting

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if i was scum i probs would've waited for like a couple more votes before throwing a tantrum what was i at like 2-3 votes lmao?

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a deflection from what

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A deflection from me calling your self vote scummy. I call your self vote scummy and you say me calling it that is scummy. Deflection.

in what way is that deflection

[Nosferatu]

you call my post scummy --> i call your post scummy --> you make an absolutist statement that cannot be engaged with

who broke off the discussion? i think its u here

[Nosferatu]

o/ gamma

[Nosferatu]

you call my post scummy --> i call your post scummy --> you make an absolutist statement that cannot be engaged with

who broke off the discussion? i think its u here

Its deflection because after calling your post scummy you immediately call mine scummy too. And it wasnt an absolutist statement considering people are arguing with me

you literally said "self-votes are always scummy".
that is by definition an absolutist statement

[Nosferatu]

what's up Nosf?

waving goodbye before the mod comes and you die :(

[Nosferatu]

I didn't explicitly point it out for some time
but Yeah I always knew it wasn't real, so with the newer playerbase for this game I figured it would garner some interesting reactions
Didn't end up being the case, very little seemed to come from it and everyone took it at face value.

It's poor form to cut someone else's reaction test short tho

the dayvig is one of the most forced and troll reaction tests there are

almost no one actually does it unironically lol

[Nosferatu]

noob index is v high for this game

[Nosferatu]

Charmander just shot up to FoS #2 for his terrible defense of Nosferatu. Arguably it makes him even scummier than Nosferatu.

[Nosferatu]

whoops did not mean to hit submit there. sometimes im a bit premature.

407 (nos) uh calling you scum is scummy? by self voting as town arent you necessarily playing against wincon?
413 (gamma) in what world is a self-vote not scummy?
436 (banana) hmm odd timing depending on flips this could be an attempt at a counterwagon?

VOTE: cfj

inactivity followed by empty statements saying "this is scummy/towny" are scummy

[Nosferatu]

also 4 scum is kind of insane for 13 players?

[Nosferatu]

whoops did not mean to hit submit there. sometimes im a bit premature.

407 (nos) uh calling you scum is scummy? by self voting as town arent you necessarily playing against wincon?
413 (gamma) in what world is a self-vote not scummy?
436 (banana) hmm odd timing depending on flips this could be an attempt at a counterwagon?

VOTE: cfj

inactivity followed by empty statements saying "this is scummy/towny" are scummy

yes because its totally me choosing to be inactive by subbing into a slot... do you feel that ive been inactive since subbing in?

Damn. I really wanted my cfj read to be right, but Taylor is playing pretty on par with how i thought scum would rep in.

how exactly would you expect scum to play? by catching up and offering thoughts?

i'm not talking about you

[Nosferatu]

this games getting kinda boring can someone fake a guilty?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: bananacucho

[Nosferatu]

dont say i never did anything for u

[Nosferatu]

I realized I have a feeling that Raya is scum

i...agree!

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE: shellyc

[Nosferatu]

Nosferatu - your posts stink.
you tag raya as scummy - twive, and don't go anywhere with that thought.
random vote on the banana slot
random vote on shelly

how bored are you? are you just randomly interacting with this game? I see no content from you at all. be better

all you do is beg for content that you are unable to provide

almost every post you make is just "i dont get it", "why is this happening", "whats going on"

where do you have the moral high ground to even ask this of me?

[Nosferatu]

I provide more value to the town than you literally trolling and providing dumb content for people to react to and get reads off of you literally just ask questions and do nothing

[Nosferatu]

we've already established why i """"deflected"""" but ill bite since i dont have that many votes to explain anyway

there can only be one
VOTE: rcenigma

rvs

VOTE: walter

223 is a little bit overzealous to me, didnt like the way he gushed over that post read as buddying to me

VOTE: nosferatu

frustration

you know what i dont think someone with an avatar such as urself would engage in this kind of pro-town behavior

VOTE: cfg

cfg was really weird around my wagon, doesn't read as someone trying to sort me, just someone informed trying to eek some townpoints out of a lynch

VOTE: bananacucho

low tier reaction baiting with nm

UNVOTE: shellyc

banana replaced out

[Nosferatu]

this is a good post

why

[Nosferatu]

i dont really mind this wagon but i find it very sus since cfg has been gaslighting italiano for a while now and somehow has turned walter explicitly saying he thinks cfg is town into a mild scumread

[Nosferatu]

Although

I think that cfj is town

. call it a 70% certainty.

totally unambiguous

Eventually Walter calls me "70% certainty" of town (#614);

this is technically a mild scumread (assuming a 10:3 setup, a hypothetically town Walter would think a perfectly null read was 75% likely to be town.)

why even make this digression?

[Nosferatu]

Instead, you've basically been just sitting there, sitting on your read, not even reading the game. (I can tell you aren't reading because you're wrong about the size of wagons: I'm not the leading wagon, but the fourth-largest (third-largest if you ignore the wagon on shelly, which is a joke). The largest wagons are on Walter and on you.)

makes it seem like italiano is just totally off-base but on the literal last page we can see he definitely was the leading wagon

Votecount 1.10

callforjudgement(4)

~ RCEnigma(52), Looker(49), ItalianoVD(48), Tayl0r Swift(19)

WaltertheDunce10(2)

~ Raya36(43), Not_Mafia(23)

shellyc(2)

~ Nosferatu(61), Frogsterking(26)

Tayl0r Swift(1)

~ callforjudgement(50)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ geraintm(50)

ItalianoVD(1)

~ shellyc(56)

geraintm(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(70)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ WaltertheDunce10(62)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-06 11:18:30)

two of the replacements were on his wagon so they subsequently unvoted, totally normal, but cfg acts like this was ages ago and italiano is practically just on a different planet

[Nosferatu]

but ya don't question his narrative at all lets go big post = town yes

VOTE: italianovd

[Nosferatu]

cool bro, you townread low effort paragraphs; will remember

[Nosferatu]

crazy how ppl can be so confident for no reason whatsoever

[Nosferatu]

to be clear nos, my last post was sarcastic. also, is your vote on italiano sarcastic or serious?

sarcastic

[Nosferatu]

but tbh i null read italiano so while i would prefer someone else world won't end if this goes thru

[Nosferatu]

thats kinda personal

[Nosferatu]

omg

[Nosferatu]

Actually I don't think this post comes from scum. This shows a true scumhunting mindset that I think would be really hard to replicate as scum, especially in that case knowing that the players in question are town.

would u say this is the first post from cfg u find to exhibit this quality

[Nosferatu]

why do i keep calling him that? i mean cfj

[Nosferatu]

u say that its a post only town would make but i can easily see scum making that post and i have seen scum make better scumhunting posts

[Nosferatu]

it is a totally average NAI post its not even scumhunting its literally a (totally skewed) timeline but yall wanna pretend it totally spews town like uhh what

[Nosferatu]

How is it not scumhunting? It's a timeline used to introduce and explain a scumread

its not like they had a genuine dialogue and from those interactions he deduced some pro-scum behaviors or something that are actually somewhat difficult to fake as scum, he literally just gave an interpretation of a series of events.

if you think scum can't fake that i would just have to say either u have a low opinion of cfj's scumplay or u just havent played with a lot of good scumplayers.

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: walter

[Nosferatu]

I will hammer whichever wagon hits E-1 first as soon as it hits E-1 no questions asked. Claims out if ya got em.

this post never comes from town

ur so cracked

[Nosferatu]

honestly ill switch to shellyc

VOTE: shellyc

i town read this slot but i really don't like who's on the walter wagon with me

[Nosferatu]

I will hammer whichever wagon hits E-1 first as soon as it hits E-1 no questions asked. Claims out if ya got em.

this post never comes from town

ur so cracked

honestly ill switch to shellyc

VOTE: shellyc

i town read this slot but i really don't like who's on the walter wagon with me

I'm tempted to town read Nosferatu for the end of day switch here.

honestly i was hard reading shelly as town i was so ready to gloat

[Nosferatu]

not in a hood o/

[Nosferatu]

i feel like the wagon wasn't scum driven why would scum bus shellyc when there's almost no cred to gain she literally just flaked

[Nosferatu]

{italiano, frogster}
{ts, walter, rce}
{looker, gamma, geraint}
{cfg}
{raya}

where im at right now

VOTE: looker

[Nosferatu]

{italiano, frogster}
{ts, walter, rce}
{looker, gamma, geraint}
{cfj}
{raya}

where im at right now

VOTE: looker

youre voting for someone in the middle of your readlist?

gotta sort them somehow i dont think any more pressure on cfj is doing anything

[Nosferatu]

Can anyone interpret Nosferatu's readslist and explain to me why he's voting me over Raya? (Or voting me at all)

{town}
{nulltown}
{null}
{nullscum}
{scum}

[Nosferatu]

Can anyone interpret Nosferatu's readslist and explain to me why he's voting me over Raya? (Or voting me at all)

{town}
{nulltown}
{null}
{nullscum}
{scum}

so youre saying youre voting a null slot over a scum slot?
explain

{italiano, frogster}
{ts, walter, rce}
{looker, gamma, geraint}
{cfj}
{raya}

where im at right now

VOTE: looker

youre voting for someone in the middle of your readlist?

gotta sort them somehow i dont think any more pressure on cfj is doing anything

[Nosferatu]

and raya? why arent you voting raya? explain your entire readlist please, with a brief summary of why everyone is where they are.

i dont need to sort raya

[Nosferatu]

bare bones explanation for reads

italiano - cant see him as scum after yesterday
cfj - trying a little bit too hard but that could be meta
gamma - i usually can tell this slot by tone alone taking a long time to sort this one potential scum for sure
looker - dead null
geraint - kinda just oblivious, the type i totally cannot read
raya - continually scummy and active lurker literally just doing the bare minimum but acts like theyre doing shit
frogster - kind of outlandishly confident in a way that if he's scum ill just give him the win
rce - tonally very town, kinda gut
ts - pr
walter - tonally scum but the type i cannot read consistently

[Nosferatu]

it is so very normal to vote somebody who isn't your top scum read i've rarely ever had to justify doing so

[Nosferatu]

it is so very normal to vote somebody who isn't your top scum read i've rarely ever had to justify doing so

[Nosferatu]

Okay. Why are you voting to sort rn? I don’t think it’s wrong to do that, but why?

there was momentum at the time

[Nosferatu]

justify it some more. just repeating something back to me when I have asked for clarification (and I am not the only one) isn't good enough.

i won't :)

there's literally no further need to elaborate, i need to sort looker > looker has a new wagon > i vote the wagon

it really is just that simple

[Nosferatu]

Insert shawshankobtuse.jpg

you're the type to vote town in xylo

Votecount 2.5

Looker(3)

~ Nosferatu(13), Gamma Emerald(24), callforjudgement(31)

callforjudgement(3)

~ Frogsterking(28), ItalianoVD(28), WaltertheDunce10(11)

RCEnigma(2)

~ Raya36(28), geraintm(13)

Raya36(2)

~ RCEnigma(20), Tayl0r Swift(41)

Frogsterking(1)

~ Looker(13)

kinda torn here

VOTE: raya

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There is absolutely no reason for town to hold this info back.

how do you figure

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@Nos
What are you torn about here?

cfj and raya

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Insert shawshankobtuse.jpg

you're the type to vote town in xylo

Votecount 2.5

Looker(3)

~ Nosferatu(13), Gamma Emerald(24), callforjudgement(31)

callforjudgement(3)

~ Frogsterking(28), ItalianoVD(28), WaltertheDunce10(11)

RCEnigma(2)

~ Raya36(28), geraintm(13)

Raya36(2)

~ RCEnigma(20), Tayl0r Swift(41)

Frogsterking(1)

~ Looker(13)

kinda torn here

VOTE: raya

I dont get why there isn't a wagon on you. If people thought not mafia wasnt helpful for town day 1, what are you?

i think not mafia was more helpful than u are

what have you done ? if you hadn't queued up for this game what wouldve changed lol

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VOTE: ItalianoVD

Normally, if someone claims a confirmable role early in the game, but it fails to confirm, you leave them alive for at least one more Night just in case something went wrong and it can all be fixed. But that assumes that there's actually an attempt being made to confirm the role.

If someone claims a confirmable role and then

retracts

the claim, that's different: there is now no prospect of the player being confirmed by Night actions, and they've caused a distraction / derailed scumhunting for no good pro-town reason. This normally makes the player look scummy, and Italiano was looking scummy Day 1 has been acting even more so Day 2.

In this case, Italiano hasn't retracted the claim by his words. However, he has, in effect, retracted the claim by his actions. He isn't acting in a way remotely consistent with a Town Friendly Neighbour (or Town Friendly Neighbour Neighbour); if he really did have such a role, I'd expect him to soon be in serious trouble with the listmods for repeated, outright, intentional flagrant breaches of the "play to win" rule. Everything he's been doing at all recently appears to be calculated to make it harder for the town to scumhunt; and his actions are completely inconsistent with his stated opinions (e.g. he's stated that the talk about his Night target is a distraction, but has failed to clear up this distraction even though it would be trivially easy to do so,

and

has been talking about the distraction rather than posting a list of reads he's apparently already created). This isn't a situation I've been in before, but I suspect that it's theoretically correct to vote Italiano out here. (There's very little risk to this wagon; if he's town, and thus telling the truth, he could stop the wagon at any time simply by finishing his claim. Normally, you don't want to take the risk of voting out a confirmable player, but in this case there is no way a hypothetically town Italiano wouldn't claim to save himself if he were anywhere in the same solar system as the "play to win" rule.)

u really think he's playing against his wincon by not confirming himself w no pressure on him to do so? what does he get out of confirming now?

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personally i think we could let it hang for like another day since walter knows who it is as well

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If someone on the Raya wagon would prefer to push that one through, I'd be interested to hear your case

honestly if i wasnt scumreading raya i wouldnt remember that shes in the game

100 posts with almost no substance, no impact on the game that i can think of, and she also refuses to put her vote where her mouth is wrt the italiano claim, almost like she knows that he's town and knows his claim will get confirmed :o

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@cfj: do you scumread italiano right now yes/no. if yes then whats your theory for why despite the apparent clamor for him to claim, that his wagon is strangely empty?

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what if there is no fn and italiano is scum and on d3 his partner claims to have received a message and the n2 "target" is the nightkill :o

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It is not surprising that the wagon of someone who claims to be confirmed town is empty. You need a really strong read on someone to not at least test their claim before eliminating them. (That's what I was trying to do, test the claim. We can do that D2, we don't have to wait until N2.)

i kinda don't buy this

as you said, he didnt just claim willy nilly, he was run up and almost lynched. how are we as a town confident enough to run him up the first time, let him claim but apparently not confident enough to run him up a second time to verify the claim from before?

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almost got prodded yikes

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lets do an exercise: everyone post your gun to head scumteam of two people with one extra person who might be scum for me please. this could potentially provide very interesting data.

looking at {raya, gamma} rn

maybe {cfj} but im starting to turn around on him for no real reason in particular

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without not mafia im losing my motivation to play

does anyone want to fake claim a result?

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do u really think ts1989 flips red at this stage in the game

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Is Nosferatu still here?

a little bored but still here

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VOTE: Raya

Don't @ me.

uhh

my guy

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that kinda reads like scum self-hammering to end discussion prior to more bad associatives being given out for free.

not a fan of this little logical tango here

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yea is indefensibly scummy even tho i think u will also flip red

last scum is def between {gamma, rce}

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Well as I said, I think I’m getting night killed so I sent my night ability to Nosferatu.

very true!

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i thought i was crumbing it a lil hard so regardless of whether u said anything i might have been nightkilled

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LMFAO U DIDNT EVEN TRY TO MAKE AN EXCUSE

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SHE CLAIMED ON THE POST RIGHT BEFORE U

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VOTE: gamma

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I wasn't sure what to make of it, and I still am not

this is grammatically incorrect no matter what u do here anyway

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I think we need to hit scum today and I think we can/will, but I’m pissed! Why’d we take out all the women in this town?

powereliminating the women to own the libs

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The literal answer to your question is "no".

is this a typo? theres no reason to lie abt this

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yesterday everyone was all anti wifom but today we wanna stop claims bruh? with raya out of the way we can just solve the game imo

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>=1 obvscum in {rce, gamma}
<= 1 sleeperscum in {walter,frogster}

we can clear and just move on with our lives

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cool

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yea choo choo

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I don't see this set up working with a town tracker doesnt mesh well i dont even need to read the thought process

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so performative

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1. A whole lot. As of the last time I checked, I have the second post posts on site.

who hsa the most

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i'm vt

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i will make a post next time i am conscious

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LMFAO U DIDNT EVEN TRY TO MAKE AN EXCUSE

SHE CLAIMED ON THE POST RIGHT BEFORE U

VOTE: gamma

Why the change here from D2 - D3?

gamma was even scummier

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Unless Titus is a Strongman

, Roleblocker or Ascetic

(all unlikely given other claims)

what makes this unlikely?

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so what does scum have as compensation for the town prs

just a tracker?

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#1
@Looker
@Nosferatu

Do you believe Gamma was the deep scum, was he intending to carry the tracker claim through lylo or was he the throw-away scum with the game state today being entered into willingly?

#2
@All

Do you believe the frustration expressed by Gamma in his final post and in getting doubted as tracker were genuine?

no
yes

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@frogster I don't know what OCEAN model is.

dubious personality model

openness to experience (inventive/curious vs. consistent/cautious)
conscientiousness (efficient/organized vs. extravagant/careless)
extraversion (outgoing/energetic vs. solitary/reserved)
agreeableness (friendly/compassionate vs. challenging/callous)
neuroticism (sensitive/nervous vs. resilient/confident)

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one of the more bizarre cases i've read

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one of the more bizarre cases i've read

Nos who do you think it is?
And how do you find it bizzare?

do i really have to answer this question? i feel like you're just asking just to ask lol

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one of the more bizarre cases i've read

Nos who do you think it is?
And how do you find it bizzare?

do i really have to answer this question? i feel like you're just asking just to ask lol

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From the mindset of a Banana - Nos - Gamma team I feel their behavior makes sense. The scum team is kind of just coasting, Nos gets BWed and goes for the full AtE/angry townie play, it works and he starts getting townread, Gamma and Banana see this happen and assume Nos will carry them and continue coasting. Nos bussing shelly and then Gamma makes sense. It doesn't need to be planned ahead, it's just intuitive. After Nos has the town read+tfn from Italiano the scum team feel more confident and Nos leads a BW on a townie that was on the right track with her reads (Raya).

gamma is one of if not the only player in the starting playerlist who i had meta with, if we were in a game together we would've just townblocked; my scum meta and town meta are pretty similar, we would have just conf'd each other and taken the thread for a ride cause we're both spammers lol

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@Nosferatu: who/what was #1759 referring to, and do you think it implies anything about their alignment?

geraintm idk he's the type i cant read i think i said that before im inclined to say last ones in {geraint, frogster} like i poe'd before

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ill pass this hammer i will be mia for a lil bit

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VOTE: geraintm

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Nosferatu skipping hammering me and voting geraintm is making me seriously rethink my Nosferatu theory.

i wasnt online when u were e-1 but ill take it