Newbie 2027 | Doggos | Town Win

[Noraa]

@sirius9121 same here soooo VOTE: Nikahang

[Noraa]

Should've saved it for later after all patience is a virtue lmaooo

[Noraa]

LOL thats pretty random but I mean I like my laptop too unfortunately it will never be my favorite so long as my phone exists

[Noraa]

A little sus I agree.

[Noraa]

lol still trying to wrap my head around this game so I doubt anything I'm thinking rn would be of help.

[Noraa]

I thought Echovision voting multiple times was a lil sus bc it seems like he's desperately trying to eliminate shelly. The reply shelly gave was a lil provocative soo idk what to feel there. I feel like it's too hard to be sure on anything rn tho cuz most people haven't said much.

[Noraa]

But then the other part of my brain is like lol the mafia are prolly just watching us like ha keep being sus at some poor vanilla townies and then I'm like dang fat L for us. Basically my brain's a mess and idk what to think rn.

[Noraa]

LOL that's true ig we'll have to wait and see how things unfold.

[Noraa]

It's not necessarily contradictory because it could absolutely be that the two mafia voted for each other or made it seem like they disliked each other just to prove that they aren't related. And shelly the fact that u r replying to every single person's post and brushing away the fact that they are voting u by "friending" them and saying they seem townie is hella sus if u ask me. As for why ur posts were provocative, im starting to change my opinion and almost think ur trying to guilt trip them cuz they voted u and then u say eyyy u give off pure townie energy or something like that which if I was them, I would feel bad voting u soooo yeah.

[Noraa]

Early thoughts:

Sceptorus - Asking people to talk is a townie trait, prompts Noraa to give their thoughts. I am feeling town here early on.
Noraa - #29 sheeps me, #36 sheeps Sceptorus. I don't know if this is a personality trait or anything, but this sounds like newbscum that agrees and latches on.
EchoVision - I am feeling slight town because of their single minded insistence to vote me. A mafia would hardly show the aggression that this shows.

And shelly I agreed with u when u said that one person was sus for saying he/she was gonna put in low effort or something like that bc I agree that is a lil sus. As for agreeing with Sceptorus, I read what he had to say before I started really thinking about what I thought was going on, so obviously it ended up directing where my attention and thoughts went. I thought about what he said and added what I found after thinking about it. Nothing to do with personality.

[Noraa]

@EchoVision I wanted to play forum mafia on a different site. They recommended I come here to learn. I shall observe more to learn faster that way I only seem 97% like a noob lol.

[Noraa]

Ah gotchu lol im pretty sure im wrong in my guesses too cuz if my guesses were right legit half the town would be mafia and that'd be pretty bad lmaoooo.

[Noraa]

UNVOTE: Nikahang

[Noraa]

he/she hasn't said anything sooo I removed my vote lol

[Noraa]

ooooo I shall just vote the replacement then lmaooooo

[Noraa]

I think that Sirius9121, shellyc, and 72offsuit are all a little sus. My vote goes to the one that won the eenie meenie miny moe lol. VOTE: 72offsuit

[Noraa]

Shelly is the most obvious newbie scum I have played with in a long long time. Posts like this ^.
Pure gold.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. I'll prove you wrong.

what did he mean by this?
also hi shelly

I thought PlusJOYED was referring to 72offsuit as he but idk

[Noraa]

I was going to agree that 72offuit's post didn't prove what it concluded so it was confusing. But then I just wanted to check to see if I understood PlusJOYED's post correctly.

[Noraa]

well then ... pretend I said nothing lol

[Noraa]

Happy bday host!

[Noraa]

I thought the scum radar squeak squeak thing was more sus than the intent to hammer tbh. Bc all Echo did was vote him for being a lil sus but that part was explained by sirius.

[Noraa]

Posts 70-78 were all 72offsuit's. I feel like posting that many times in a row shows that the poster needs people to agree with his ideas which seems to strike me as a scum move. I didn't really understand what Frogster was referring to as disadvantageous to the town. If it was the intent to hammer thing, I thought 72offsuit didn't contribute anything to that since he just kept saying shellyc was scum but didn't also declare intent to hammer.

[Noraa]

Also I have echo in my townbook for now because I think he has said a lot of things that I feel a mafia would not say. Posts 151, 135, 91, 39. I just went thru and picked a few but I think there's some more that I might've missed.

[Noraa]

How am I supposed to find your previous games?

[Noraa]

Figured it out. I skimmed a few pages of one called air and I did see some long chains of posts. I think you were a townie in that game but I skimmed the last few pages so I might be wrong.

[Noraa]

Ig that's just posting style then

[Noraa]

Ig that's just posting style then

What does this refer to?

Ig that's just posting style then

What does this refer to?

chains of posts. I haven't seen any so far besides 72offsuit's so I thought they were sus but it seems it's just posting style

[Noraa]

@EchoVision I wanted to play forum mafia on a different site. They recommended I come here to learn. I shall observe more to learn faster that way I only seem 97% like a noob lol.

no that's okay! the main point of this queue is to learn and become a better player, which just comes with time. there's certain things that every new player just

has

to go through, we've all been there.
once you get experience and some games under your belt, it becomes easier and easier to look at a message and go "okay that's noob scum" or "that interactions undoubtedly town v. town" or "yeah that's something that a noob scum would never say, so they've gotta be noob town"

there's nothing wrong with having your plays or messages classified like that, it's part of the learning experience




i'm usually wrong anyways so fuck me

Pocketing this early huh? Gotta get those with less confidence in their reads to vote with you ASAP.

VOTE: echo

idk what to make of shelly yet but I'm kind of impressed they got to E-2 in just 2 pages lol

Seems really off to replace into a game and vote without reading the whole thread

I read thru most of 72's posts and this one doesn't have good reasoning if you ask me. Plus prolly did read thru everything but that one post stood out to him bc I'm guessing based on past experience, he knows that noobs r easy to pocket and saw Echo's post as pocketing. It seems to me like fair reasoning even tho Echo's intent wasn't to pocket but to someone that just replaced in, I'm sure it does look pretty sus.

[Noraa]

Rereading sirus ISO he legit seems like a VI jester play. What benefits does a townie have to act like a jester in a game without a jester slot? Maybe for some kind of gambit? idk
I could definitely see why a scum would like to act as a jester though. Let people start ignoring them to drown out the jester noise while people die 1 by 1.

My vote stays on Sirius

Reading sirius' past games they literally play like a jester every game... this jester play comes from either alignment

Seriously? I ignore pastgames but like wtf? If he acts like that every game how does he ever make it past day 1? Am I just crazy?

Still on Sirius though

God help us all

I was going to agree that 72offuit's post didn't prove what it concluded so it was confusing. But then I just wanted to check to see if I understood PlusJOYED's post correctly.

yeah that was regarding shellys post. The wording came across as a lil scummy but could be nothing.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if the scumduo is Shelly+Plus. Back and forth discussion just for the sake of it.

Your conclusion was that plus and shelly were scum. Personally I think that what you have on plus rn is nowhere near enough evidence to be saying he is scum. He hasn't done anything that strikes me as sus so far. As for shelly, I have to agree that her tone was a bit off but idk if it's just me but I feel like I wouldn't have the best responses to anything if I reached E-2 that fast. Ik it's just Echo joking around ig but I'm sure seeing Vote:shelly a bunch of times from him wasn't exactly pleasant on the receiving end. And after people all started voting her, even the tiniest bit of "suspiciousness" in her posts got brought up. Other people were sus too but people seemed to only focus on her bc she was the one closest to getting eliminated. You said so urself that it should still be RVS so why are people honing in on one person?

[Noraa]

I feel like his logic somewhat makes sense but his evidence is very very weak. And in a game of mafia legit everyone is gonna say a few sus things throughout this game and just honing in bc of one or two slips during RVS seems very unfair to me.

[Noraa]

Also it seems that sirius is clinging on to 72 since 72 is the only one that disregarded all the intent to hammer stuff. 72 keeps saying if he was mafia he wouldn't have the guts to say that stuff but like that doesn't mean anything cuz it could be personality or just he wants the town to think that.

[Noraa]

I feel like his logic somewhat makes sense but his evidence is very very weak. And in a game of mafia legit everyone is gonna say a few sus things throughout this game and just honing in bc of one or two slips during RVS seems very unfair to me.

Does this refer to the 72offsuit FoS on me? because I dont think they even make sense at all

yeah

[Noraa]

If plus, shelly, and 72 are townies then the next likely suspects would be the lurkers who have been silently watching us..

[Noraa]

Idk but I think rn there's so many people being sus of so many other people that its legit just the town tearing itself up

[Noraa]

IMO echo's post is town pressuring because of their single-minded desire to get rid of me. Scum doing that would just get called out. I have no idea why scum would keep voting for a person.

in case the wagon takes off you can be like "yeah i told you idiots i've been on this wagon thanks for listening to me now"
if you hop off then back on then you look scummy

why wouldn't scum want a quick easy d1 kill with little information from anyone

But wouldn't they get eliminated right after since the town would immediately know they are scum?

[Noraa]

Echo why do you want people to think ur scum? That seems like a townie thing to do but then at the same time a scum might do that to make themselves seem like a townie. Idk have mixed feelings now.

[Noraa]

@Echo I also think u haven't done anything sus but I will look into it later when I get some more time

[Noraa]

and if everyone universally town reads me that means i'm dead tonight and i wanna play damnit i waited in queue for a week

I don't understand how this logic works...

[Noraa]

Wait if 72 is at E-1 does that mean the whole intent to hammer thing comes in?

[Noraa]

Ohhhh I see. Okay I shall try to dig up some dirt on echo then so he doesn't get killed first day hopefully.

[Noraa]

I feel like no ones gonna get eliminated first day tho right? Like nothings certain so if someone dies day 1, that's just stupid

[Noraa]

sup bitches

congrats shelly you’re the lucky winner
VOTE: shelly

i'm not gonna lie i'm not a fan of mary poppins i kinda hate it to be brutally honest

[Noraa]

Jumps on the wagon to eliminate shelly too fast - scum move

off topic almost like he's trying to direct attention away from something

[Noraa]

33%?! BRUH that's a lil too low

[Noraa]

T^T being a noob sucks

[Noraa]

that's true but tbh I feel like there's so much uncertainty, it doesn't matter who gets killed, everyones gonna be sus of everyone *facepalm*

[Noraa]

Lol won't live to see it. Prolly shouldn't jinx myself but eh whatever.

[Noraa]

I remember Plus said he was fairly new to the game and I went back and skimmed some stuff and ngl I 100% looked like I was sleeping people. But like seriously, that was not at all my intention. I was just giving my opinions but didn't read the whole post above because of imo the millions of quotes. It's tiring to read:(

[Noraa]

*sheeping
*SHEEPING
I MEANT SHEEPING

[Noraa]

I mean if everyone believed sirius' dumb intent to hammer thing, ur thing shouldn't be hard to believe

[Noraa]

I mean I personally don't really believe sirius' or ur thing but I mean most people believed his soo urs shouldn't be hard to believe.

[Noraa]

Too many "I mean"'s eww this is y I get points off of essays for repetition lmaoooooo

[Noraa]

If I remember correctly Nikahang did vote for someone so lol that would've maybe? been an error but now it doesn't matter since he got prodded.

[Noraa]

Ohh coolio

[Noraa]

Lol now I need to go back to see how Nikahang managed to eff up a vote

[Noraa]

ohh he like changed a quote or somethin

[Noraa]

Nikahang has been prodded

VOTE: ShellNyc

VOTE: ShellYc

Nikahang has been prodded,
shoulda done that ages ago but I derped

/\/\@f1@ = Mafia
9001\15 = goons
54y = say
vv|-|A+ = what
found one scum, now you can claim who your partner is to make this quicker.
VOTE: shellyc

(VOTE: Sceptorusyeah i know this wasnt the best execution for this joke but I WAS GETTING IMPATIENT DAMNIT)

My pure town energy will prove you wrong; not to worry. Good joke by the way.

I agree. He is part of town

I am voting

lurker confirmed. it's happened twice. Both times he was prodded and both times he jumped on the wagon to eliminate shelly(except his first vote was invalid). Jumping on the wagon isn't that sus tbh cuz I do understand the arguments on why shelly is sus but each time he's prodded, he immediately posts something which confirms he's lurking and that's pretty sus.

[Noraa]

Sirius9121 has been prodded

[unv] [/unv]

What is this? Warlocking? "dont lynch them yet" implied that you TR me? What is the reasoning of your TR

In this post I outlined the possibility of sirius warlocking me. I asked them for the reasoning for their TR on me (as they said "dont lynch them yet.")

You have made a mistake, sir.

lol no
i scumread you
we just still had a few days and i thought that we could observer for a longer period of time before voting

*declare intent to hammer*

Not sure if this is related but the moment sirius came back from being prodded, he declared intent to hammer shelly. Both seem like lurkers. Sceptorus had an excuse when he was prodded im pretty sure he said he had an exam soo can't say much there since school is pretty time consuming. But sirius and Nikahang just keep lurking and each time they're prodded, they come and unvote, vote, or say something strange bc they "misread"

[Noraa]

@mod I'd like to prod Niaking and sceptorous when you get a chance.

hi I'll post in an hour or two, had a test

Nvm he never got prodded but it was suggested

[Noraa]

Don't really like #317 though. Lurkers will eventually get replaced on a third prod. I have no idea why you want to focus on them

Was just curious is all

[Noraa]

also dang these emojis r kinda cute

[Noraa]

well regardless, I'd like them to post stuff

I second that

[Noraa]

Posting is good but that's an easy thing for scum to do to seem townie. I'm still having paranoia about PlusJoy and Noraa

I think we have fair reasoning. Nikahang and Sirius seem like they are lurking. They literally have been prodded and immediately talked afterwards. And instead of just immediately assuming they are scum, plus and I are just hoping they talk more so we can decide if they are noobscum or noobtown. And the thing is if ur gonna use that logic, legit anything anyone does that seems a bit town is gonna be the scum pretending to be town. U might as well just assume everyone here's scum.

[Noraa]

T^T think of me as scum I don't wanna be killed day one either @echo help

[Noraa]

I don't think I will be nk'ed tho bc a bunch of people scumread me. I think it was 72 and shelly that scumread me? Sceptorus maybe? idk don't remember too much but I remember some people had a scumread on me so I should be fine.

[Noraa]

wait so lemme get this right day 1 there mostly likely wi be two dead in one day if both kills happen? If so nuuuu;( not cool not cool

[Noraa]

*will

[Noraa]

Posting is good but that's an easy thing for scum to do to seem townie. I'm still having paranoia about PlusJoy and Noraa

Disagree. If they are scum lurking, they are probably newbies who have no idea of what to say and are afraid of being SR. If they start panicking that will reinforce this idea. So it's good to SR them right now so we can get info out of them no matter what their alignment is.

I'd imagine an apathetic townie doubling down on the lurk or put some effort into looking town.

i disagree

for newbie games, playing scum is fun and that's what you

want to do

. you get excited and all you think about is the game, so you come on and check constantly and play and have fun

i feel like it's semi-rare to see noob scum lurking, let alone 2

huh both sides seem to make sense to me. idk where I stand in this anymore

[Noraa]

Lol everytime Echo comes in everything's so damn funny. frfr we needa make him look scum that way we can keep him in the game for longer.

[Noraa]

I dislike this logic even though it is probably correct since it makes me look scummy and that interferes with my LAMIST

don't you worry sugar tits there's more in the way of your lamist than that

can i have a hint so I can lamist better?
pleeeeease?

shouldn't y'all pm or something cuz uh if echo says it here, it ain't gonna help anyone I don't think

[Noraa]

also HA I got page top

[Noraa]

T^T honest opinion do I still sound like a noob? I mean I got a hang of the whole quoting a shit ton of posts things ... pretty fast I would say. The rest uh yeah no just pretend all the stupid sounding posts didn't exist lol

[Noraa]

*thing
bruh I needa start proofreading

[Noraa]

I dislike this logic even though it is probably correct since it makes me look scummy and that interferes with my LAMIST

don't you worry sugar tits there's more in the way of your lamist than that

can i have a hint so I can lamist better?
pleeeeease?

shouldn't y'all pm or something cuz uh if echo says it here, it ain't gonna help anyone I don't think

pms are against the rules for discussing games

Oh dang welp I didn't know that so uh pretend I didn't suggest that and I will keep that in mind

[Noraa]

T^T honest opinion do I still sound like a noob? I mean I got a hang of the whole quoting a shit ton of posts things ... pretty fast I would say. The rest uh yeah no just pretend all the stupid sounding posts didn't exist lol

yes but i can see the effort! keep going!

lol thnx that was said very kindly

[Noraa]

In my opinion shelly isn't very readable as evidenced by the first game she played she won mostly on her own, and she did jump on that bandwagon which was taking off at the time in a lobby she knew could be impulsive and result in a hammer. This makes her a good candidate for me to vote so far, but I'm going to refrain from voting her for the above reason (I'm afraid if I check in tomorrow it will result in a hammer before we've used all the time allotted to us to scum hunt in D1.)

How tf do u "win a game on ur own"? Did all the town die day 1 and 2 or somethin?

[Noraa]

Oh wait I'm stupid it prolly means she was mafia and her partner got herself eliminated fast

[Noraa]

Lol I needa talk less. I always sound so stupid lmaooooo

[Noraa]

Bro school already has my brain fried these articles are not helping lol. It's confusing imo but I think im getting the gist of it. So basically its the opposite of what I said before. Nikahang isn't sus but sceptorus is for making an excuse as to why he hasn't been posting. Ig sure but like that excuse is pretty real and valid imo.

[Noraa]

Tbh I don't agree that shelly and plus are scum just bc my gut tells me that maybe one of them is scum but no way both of them r. Then again I dont think I have good reads anyways but I would also like to hear more from 72 about why. Since just the long convo between the two doesn't mean anything imo.

[Noraa]

Bro school already has my brain fried these articles are not helping lol. It's confusing imo but I think im getting the gist of it. So basically its the opposite of what I said before. Nikahang isn't sus but sceptorus is for making an excuse as to why he hasn't been posting. Ig sure but like that excuse is pretty real and valid imo.

if you want me to try and sum stuff up from an article let me know, i'm about to take a phone call then i'll be right back on. i don't have class until 4:20 (ayooo) so i'll be on and off till then and will try to help out as soon as I can

Thanks for offering but lol it's fine. Better to try to figure it out myself otherwise it never quite makes sense. My class got let out early soooo im done for the day yay

[Noraa]

Bro school already has my brain fried these articles are not helping lol. It's confusing imo but I think im getting the gist of it. So basically its the opposite of what I said before. Nikahang isn't sus but sceptorus is for making an excuse as to why he hasn't been posting. Ig sure but like that excuse is pretty real and valid imo.

Sort of but not exactly. Active lurkers post enough to avoid suspicion of lurking, but don't really say that much related to finding the mafia. If you're burnt out from school it's probably best to just take a mental note and reread only the first link in the morning when you feel fresh, it's not very long. It's a different behavior than what Nikahang or sceptorus are doing and different than what PLUS accused Nikahang of.

Will do

[Noraa]

@PlusJOYED
"my gut tells me that maybe one of them is scum but no way both of them r"
"maybe one of them is scum"
"MAYBE"
if that wasn't clear enough, it means that I think anything is possible except both of u being scum. I would also think that if the two mafia were smart, they wouldn't ever talk to each other. That way no one would ever think they r related but u talked to shelly a lot soooo that def makes me think u two aren't the mafia.

[Noraa]

@PlusJOYED
"my gut tells me that maybe one of them is scum but no way both of them r"
"maybe one of them is scum"
"MAYBE"
if that wasn't clear enough, it means that I think anything is possible except both of u being scum. I would also think that if the two mafia were smart, they wouldn't ever talk to each other. That way no one would ever think they r related but u talked to shelly a lot soooo that def makes me think u two aren't the mafia.

Yeah that can be a noob scumtell. One thing I was taught is that mafia partners can have a problem of not wanting to say if their buddy is scum or town. Though they still have to talk to each other to a lesser degree

Ok now that I think about it, it would prolly be a lil sus if two people had absolutely zero interaction with each other so ig a lil is normal. But seriously like y'all talked a TON. That doesn't strike me as something the mafia would have the guts to do under any circumstance. Also lol this is gonna sound really stupid but uh when u said "yeah that can be a noob scumtell" is that supposed to mean noobs determine who is scum based on reasons like this or you read me as a scum? Idk I get what scumread means which is saying I think ur a scum but idk what scumtell is.

[Noraa]

scumtell = something someone says or does that makes you think they are scum. "that can be a noob scumtell" = "someone new to this game might do that if they are mafia"

got it

[Noraa]

wait but were u trying to say talking to each other a lot was a scumtell or not talking to someone at all is a scumtell? And also I do think its possible ur just town bickering but I read in some other game that 72 was in called air or something and the people there said that he had really good reads which is why i'm starting to think maybe he is correct. The chances are small ig but like if he has hella good reads it seriously might be right.

[Noraa]

I kinda changed my mind on 72 bc frogster said he wasn't scum and frogster's reads sound pretty convincing to me. Ok now im just really lost cuz I felt like frogster was town with good reads so I kinda thought 72 was town as well so then his read was u and shelly were mafia and I heard he had good reads. But then Frogsters read might be wrong or you could be lying or frogster could be mafia. okay my brains pretty fucked up rn imma just wait til tomorrow to try to sort this out in my mess of a brain.

[Noraa]

fair enough

[Noraa]

I kinda changed my mind on 72 bc frogster said he wasn't scum and frogster's reads sound pretty convincing to me. Ok now im just really lost cuz I felt like frogster was town with good reads so I kinda thought 72 was town as well so then his read was u and shelly were mafia and I heard he had good reads. But then Frogsters read might be wrong or you could be lying or frogster could be mafia. okay my brains pretty fucked up rn imma just wait til tomorrow to try to sort this out in my mess of a brain.

Confusion is a newbscumtell. This is a very messed-up post.

You've mentioned this multiple times. I don't see why confusion is a scumtell, but I mean let's talk facts. I've legit never played any form of mafia besides the kind in school where everyone cheats and doesn't close their eyes when they r supposed to. So, I don't see y confusion is a scumtell, but I mean think what u want.

[Noraa]

So if a noob isn't literally CAPABLE of producing content, ur just gonna scumread them for not having the xp? That doesn't make sense to me but I mean if u wanna go by that logic, so be it.

[Noraa]

idk, as I said earlier Noraa is a god tier liar if scum because they strike me as super genuine. So I hard TR Noraa and Tr echo and slightly TR froster.

lots of people wouldn't agree with this statement lol but thanks:)

[Noraa]

Regardless of either shelly gaslighting me or me being freaking crazy apparently, I'm a lil disappointed that froster backed off. 72o looked pretty scummy to me for reasons stated, so I wanted to put pressure on them to see their reaction. I'm not looking to quickhammer anyone here yet, as I stated from the begining. I just want to hunt scum and I feel like I'm being misconstrued here.

My prior readlist still stands.

This is more town but I still stand by my statement that plusjoy is sheeping

it's not more town it's more "i fucked up but i didn't realize it till that sexy hunk of man named echovision pointed it out damn fuck gotta cover my ass"

AHAHA I just skimmed thru the last few pages after a quick brain cool down and lol sExY hUnK oF mAn. The whole shelly, plus, and 72 thing i'm not too sure how to feel. echo can I get an opinion on this? I feel like out of the 3, there's definitely one mafia but that's just my gut telling me the probability of that is pretty high and all three r sus but some more so is all. Like I think 72 is the most sus, shelly has basically gone around and said everyone's sus at this point. Plus I feel like I townread but its possible he's mafia.

[Noraa]

AWWWW that kitty is so cute. anyways back to topic : I think it's strange that 72 got scumread by multiple people and basically disappeared or somethin....

[Noraa]

I'd like to hear more from Sceptorus.

I mean same but he just got prodded...
In case he comes back before the replacement comes, my opinion on him is that he seems to have similar reads to me which is a noobtell imo(if noobtell's even a word) He seemed to be sheeping other people which was something someone can't remember who pointed out. I personally thought he wasn't sheeping anyone bc he was only here for like the first 2 days or something and everything a lil sus there everyone's gonna notice immediately. So I thought that everyone having similar reads during that period of time was acceptable. Basically I wrote a whole paragraph which can be summarized as I townread him.

[Noraa]

I thought u were the one that said u liked tunneling echo?

[Noraa]

shell seems t be srsly solving
plus isnt

Sirius I want to hear your take on this game. you haven't been posting much so I find it unfair that I can't bring myself to scumread u which results in me only being able to scumread other people that have been talking more when u could be scum choosing to watch town rip itself apart.

[Noraa]

Sirius I want to hear your take on this game. you haven't been posting much so I find it unfair that I can't bring myself to scumread u which results in me only being able to scumread other people that have been talking more when u could be scum choosing to watch town rip itself apart.

LAMIST-ing by asking lurkers to talk?

I'm a very paranoid person.

noticed

[Noraa]

ah gotchu and also lol poor plus. I still want sirius' opinion tho

[Noraa]

Yeah I was about to get annoyed 72o because you came off all strong in the start then disappeared but it makes sense to me that school started for you this week, I live in a college town so I've experienced that vicariously through them.

I also have good and bad news for you guys, and the same news is both, I'm town reading 72o, PLUS, and shelly in addition to Noraa and Echo from before. Here's how I picture this game, in no particular order:

Town Experienced: shelly, 720, PLUS, Echo

Town Inexperienced: Noraa, Sirius

Null:

Nikahang

,

Sceptorus

Null Inexperienced:

Sirius

I'm mostly interested in voting the player's names who are above me because as mafia it's easiest for them to hide in these roles and overall the three above have done the least for town.

no srs? too many trs imo almost everyone in ur townbook has done something sus and that's why I dont agree with ur read. also what is sirius : null or town?

[Noraa]

My read goes like this:

TR: Echo, Frog
Not sure: Plus, shelly, 72, Sceptorus
SR: Nikahang, Sirius

Nikahangs still a lurker imo. Sirius doesn't reply much but pops in when prodded and jumps on some random wagon or sheeps someone.

Plus, a lot of people seem to sr. I personally dont really sr him, so he goes on the not sure list. Shelly seems to be overly paranoid about everyone and calls a lot of things I dont consider sus scumtells but doesn't seem to be scum imo. 72 idk seriously can't tell. Sceptorous asked people for reads which is why I tr'ed him but then he basically disappeared so he goes here too.

Echo says a lot of really bold things that make me tr him. Frog is giving a lot of advice which doesn't strike me as a scum thing to do bc they would be afraid of being accused of "not producing content"

[Noraa]

Yeah I was about to get annoyed 72o because you came off all strong in the start then disappeared but it makes sense to me that school started for you this week, I live in a college town so I've experienced that vicariously through them.

I also have good and bad news for you guys, and the same news is both, I'm town reading 72o, PLUS, and shelly in addition to Noraa and Echo from before. Here's how I picture this game, in no particular order:

Town Experienced: shelly, 720, PLUS, Echo

Town Inexperienced: Noraa, Sirius

Null:

Nikahang

,

Sceptorus

Null Inexperienced:

Sirius

I'm mostly interested in voting the player's names who are above me because as mafia it's easiest for them to hide in these roles and overall the three above have done the least for town.

no srs? too many trs imo almost everyone in ur townbook has done something sus and that's why I dont agree with ur read. also what is sirius : null or town?

Check the chart after I cleaned it up a little bit. I'm not really seeing any players being scummy, I'm seeing a lot of scum hunting actually. Did you read the article on active lurking?

The fluffpost thing? but tbh sure no ones really posted anything completely not related but like I dont think anyone would do that in general cuz like u will be called out super fast. And in fact if anyone does it, I would be inclined to tr them for having guts

[Noraa]

HOLD TF UP
sirius is an se?!

[Noraa]

nvm im a fool lol
I know he has played multiple games though

ahaha lmao
btw I was curious so I went and took a look at one game he was in and poor guy got replaced in as a slot that got eliminated day one

[Noraa]

I think he is an se tho since he's playing two newbie games at the same time and I remember noobs r only allowed to enter one game otherwise I would've done a few more

[Noraa]

T^T then I don't qualify anyways

[Noraa]

unless marathon games count. ok now I'll shut up before someone says I'm fluffposting or whatever lol

[Noraa]

gonna take a break and try to calm down.

It feels like I'm the only one trying to push the game forward and shelly is just copying what I say and projecting it onto me and the town is buying it. You weren't the first person to vote me, don't lie to me. It's getting to a point where I don't think I can work together with a town!shelly to solve anymore. I'm starting to think they are so worried about getting elimed they want to copy what echo and others have said and shift towards me to survive.

i respect that you wanted to take a break and calm down, but I don't see why it was necessary... town!plus should just be like "yeah fuck you i'll be fine i won't die if i do that's their loss damn what a shame"

Plus is a fellow noobie so I'll put a few words in for him(yes I'm fucking biased as hell). Plus came in middle of d1 and gave a bunch of strong opinions immediately. I can see why people would scumread him either because they don't agree, or he seems overly confident, or whatever. But also I feel like he must feel pretty targeted at this moment cuz he seems like he seriously wants to help town but people are all sus of him. I still tr him but if he really is scum, imma feel stupid when this game ends

[Noraa]

Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there, even if you don't celebrate Father's Day today!

Ours is in June lol but if ur a father, then happy fathers day

[Noraa]

Yeah I was about to get annoyed 72o because you came off all strong in the start then disappeared but it makes sense to me that school started for you this week, I live in a college town so I've experienced that vicariously through them.

I also have good and bad news for you guys, and the same news is both, I'm town reading 72o, PLUS, and shelly in addition to Noraa and Echo from before. Here's how I picture this game, in no particular order:

Town Experienced: shelly, 720, PLUS, Echo

Town Inexperienced: Noraa, Sirius

Null:

Nikahang

,

Sceptorus

Null Inexperienced:

Sirius

I'm mostly interested in voting the player's names who are above me because as mafia it's easiest for them to hide in these roles and overall the three above have done the least for town.

I live in Melbourne, Australia. I've just had a tiring 6-day week and had stuff to organise for Father's Day.

Oooo cool I only have one online friend in Australia. week's been meh for me but its Labor Day weekend so that means long weekend for mee

[Noraa]

Rereading shelly, reads more like a newbietown who thinks every single post is alignment indicative AND is pre-occupied with themself as being town, so anyone who SRs them is scum.

inaccurate statement. she used to be at like E-2 or something. half the town would have to be scum for that statement to be true

[Noraa]

uh plus said it was a joke or something

[Noraa]

Rereading shelly, reads more like a newbietown who thinks every single post is alignment indicative AND is pre-occupied with themself as being town, so anyone who SRs them is scum.

inaccurate statement. she used to be at like E-2 or something. half the town would have to be scum for that statement to be true

K-2 is 3 players

nvm I'm stupid. pretend I didn't say anything and no I'm not failing math

[Noraa]

its seems many people are finding plus very sus which leads me to start questioning my read on the game. I'm going to go thru all the posts shelly mentioned and see if I really have been too biased in my read.

[Noraa]

I think plus AtE'd you at one point you said "poor plusjoy" when they said they were often SR

can't remember but that may be correct yes

[Noraa]

Lol. Worst request for a claim and worst claim ever, even for a. Newbie game.

UNVOTE: PlusJOYED

I dont buy the claim.

1. Total scumbucket, so i think its extremely likely just scum role fishing and trying to avert their lynch.

2. No PR is that ready to out themselves at the drop if a hat, especially not when:
A) a player requested for no hammers
B) we have replacements incoming
C) request for a claim came from their scumread
D) request came from a player who was already on their wagon And unable to actually hammer

Unvoting until replacements in.

Oh boy I must say yes that was a pretty terrible claim. Echo literally gave you an excuse to not have to tell people your pr role(if u really are pr) I feel like its prolly possible that plus is scum and claiming fn but at the same time I think he might really be fn because otherwise how would he prove it? Fn(if I remember correctly) is the one that can send a pm to one person each night and say they are town. If he claimed it d1 that means he's ready to prove it n1 ... right?
"2. No PR is that ready to out themselves at the drop if a hat, especially not when:blah blah"
I don't agree. Noobs have no fucking idea what they are doing. Just look at the second marathon game I played in. They declared intent and I just told them I was a cop. Didn't think it thru gotta say but I literally just told them straight up. As a noobie, I don't understand how replacements have anything to do with shit or how hammering is supposed to work, who is allowed to, who is not etc. Ur an se and I'm sure these points r valid but plus said he's a noob and to me, most of these points don't mean shit so I doubt he thought of them beforehand either.

[Noraa]

I see how Plus is Ate'ing people but i feel like its normal to not want to die d1. Cuz if all of town thinks he's scum, then he's a lost case obvi. I seriously get townie vibes from him and want to say he's prolly just a noob that doesn't know wtf he's doing but I read thru the wall and must say yeah it does seem a lil scummy. I feel like either is possible at this point so plus will go back to my null category.

[Noraa]

Fuck.
I am the town friendly neighbor.

dude next game don't claim TFN as scum

I'm YOUR TOWN DOCTOR EVERYONE

Guys plusjoy outed scum here

I’m the doctor and doctor is impossible to be paired with a TFN

Hammer this right now

Oh nice, a scum admitted themselves

Huh not sure who's scum here. I have a slight tr on shelly rn and a very shaky read on plus. So I'm thinking this short convo means that it's not TvT but I can't tell who's scum

[Noraa]

I cannot tell who is lying so imma just sit here and wait til I can hear some pr opinions cuz I'm lost af and can't find my way back.

[Noraa]

I know there is a Cop or Tracker in the game. They'll prove me right.

Thats true if u have a partner ig they can technically prove ur real but what if shelly is town claiming a pr bc she wants to eliminate plus who she is certain is scum? if that's a really stupid suggestion, just pretend I didn't say it. Or what if plus is town claiming a pr to not get eliminated? Huh maybe both are town? idk I want to say both are town but it does seem like that's prolly not the case

[Noraa]

I don't like this situation. I don't want to choose. I want to think ur both town >:(

[Noraa]

UNVOTE: 72

[Noraa]

I still wish to stubbornly believe this is TvT even tho the odds of that happening seem a lil too small.....
Im not choosing a side until I hear some se opinions. I want to hear 72's, frogster's, and echo's

[Noraa]

I don't like this situation. I don't want to choose. I want to think ur both town >:(

I think it"s no longer possible both of us are town.
Shelly and I aren't dumb enough to claim a pr as vt

I'd rather think y'all r dumb just just be patient I want to hear se opinions before I impulsively vote someone and end up finding out I had a hand in killing a pr and then feel terrible that I didn't listen to them

[Noraa]

I'm quite Sus of Sirius just because of behavior, running around like VI and then lurking about and changing vote to whoever seems like the next active lynch target just feels super scummy to me. The fact that Plus is scum and JOYED scumread them doesn't even make me think that they're less scummy. If I were scum and I saw my partner acting like that, I'd scumread them to hell and back. The way Sirius is acting is going to get them lynched eventually, and if I knew they were scum I'd want to get ahead of that. Then again, if Sirius were town then I'd also want to try to get the free lynch in. If shelly is doctor, that means we have either cop or tracker. I'd say Sirius is an excellent target for them tonight.
I'd be down to kill JOYED. I've seen enough that I'm confident he's scum. However, I'm not going to vote yet, I'm waiting until everyone's satisfied with the body of analysis and willing to kill.

PlusJOYED is one person. This doesn't make sense to me

[Noraa]

lemme be more specific. This sentence: "The fact that Plus is scum and JOYED scumread them doesn't even make me think that they're less scummy. If I were scum and I saw my partner acting like that, I'd scumread them to hell and back." doesn't make sense to me

[Noraa]

ah gotchu ok. lol settle on one of the halves of his name just do eenie meenie miny moe if u can't decide

[Noraa]

The case against PlusJOYED in the last few pages is really strong—mafia lying as doctor in order to get a lynch is about the dumbest thing you can do as scum. One free kill on a townie is usually not worth one free kill on scum in return. So either shelly is town and JOYED is scum, or it's just a bad play where shelly is scum and JOYED is town, and we take those.

Ok I must say that I hard TR shelly after reading this. There's only 2 mafia and 7 town so if she was mafia, she wouldn't out herself by cc'ing a pr that literally told everyone his role. She would've just nk'ed plus. Not to mention this pr(fn) doesn't really even seem to do anything imo. I feel like Shellys def town but as for whether or not she's really the town doctor ... idk cuz she's been really sus of plus for a very long time now.

[Noraa]

Shelly's not an SE but she's played multiple other games so I don't think she would think one mafia kill = one townie kill

[Noraa]

My updated read:

TR: Echo, Frog, Shelly
Not sure: Plus, 72, Sceptorus(now Mundivore), Sirius
SR: Nikahang

[Noraa]

I agree that shellys choice of fakeclaiming a pr here is strange though. So even if I'm miselimed here it's still decent.

If she is fake claiming as you say she is, that is very very strange. I cannot see why scum would do that in any case.

[Noraa]

Redados replaces Sceptorus

Hold up then who did mundivore replace?

[Noraa]

Ohhhhhhh dang welp lemme update my read again

TR: Echo, Frog, Shelly
Not sure: Plus, 72, Sceptorus(now Redados), Sirius
SR: Nikahang(now Mundivore)

Sorry Mundivore, Nikahang got prodded twice and posted immediately afterwards. I found that fishy so u will stay in the sr section for now

[Noraa]

A town pr verifying me and damning shelly, will save us from eliming a townie here, which is the current trajectory. And if a pr counterclaims me and sides with shelly, when I flip green the game will be solved. Or vice versa.

Let's say you are town. You're trying to do what, get the Town Jailkeeper to claim? Sure, that stops us from eliminating town, but now the town have no real power roles. Scum kill the Jailkeeper and your power role does nothing since you confirm yourself town. I'd rather sacrifice the TFN to prove that shelly is scum than sacrifice the Jailkeeper to prove it.

Or maybe you're trying to get the Town Tracker to claim? That's the only other option, but it's a stupid option because Tracker/TFN and Tracker/Doctor are

both valid.

And even then, a tracker is

still better

than a TFN who has already confirmed themselves town.

Besides, it's such incredibly cocky scumplay to sacrifice a scum in order to kill a TFN in a game with a tracker or a jailkeeper lurking about. They'd be exposing themselves to

one

bad night being enough to end the game for them. No way shelly is fake-claiming here. And if she

is

then it's a misplay and we take those.

I kinda agree here that fn seems to be the most useless role so the sacrifice would suck yes but is a smaller sacrifice then say tracker

[Noraa]

Wait hold up I'm not completely getting why you flipping green would mean shelly must be red...bc a bunch of people think ur obvscum would that make them all flip red?

[Noraa]

huh ig so but if plus could be a vt lying, then why can't shelly? I mean in my last marathon game, I claimed 3p and got eliminated day 2 even tho I was town cop Yeah yeah ikik stupid decision on my part but I feel like its possible bc shelly and plus both give me townie vibes. ik y'all think this is a stupid suggestion but I'm still low-key thinking it might be TvT cuz I tr both of them >:(

[Noraa]

OMG OMG Frog and Echo r hear ok time to turn on my ears and listen. Also poor echo he specifically said he didn't want this to happen

[Noraa]

Guys plusjoy outed scum here

I’m the doctor and doctor is impossible to be paired with a TFN

Hammer this right now

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD
WHAT
WHY
WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT
IT'S DAY 1
WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM SUCH AN IMPORTANT PR
WHY THE FUCK
WHAT
WHY
WHAT

yeah I agree ... not the smartest choice

[Noraa]

Ig interactions like this are why this game is called a newbie game...

[Noraa]

*patiently waits for echo's opinion*
dude its gonna be a huge ass paragraph isn't it?

[Noraa]

an hour? dude u can expect no one to post in an hour...

[Noraa]

an hour? dude u can expect no one to post in an hour...

What? no, just no one hammer until I dump all my thoughts please. People can continue to post lol

oh lmaoo got it

[Noraa]

What is crumbing? also what's (self)meta? I can't find definitions for these in the abbreviations wiki doc

[Noraa]

Thank you PlusJoy for outing yourself. I'm doctor.

1. you never crumbed your role
2. you claimed at the worst time
3. doctor is impossible to be with TFN

you've said this every message in the past 10 messaages
1. who crumbs their role, especially in a newbie game
the only time i've ever crumbed was when i was scum trying to set up and be like "oh yeah i crumbed it earlier bro it's gotta be my role"

2. YOU TOLD HIM TO CLAIM WHY WOULDN'T HE HE WAS SCARED FOR HIS LIFE AFTER I TOLD EVERYONE TO LEAVE HIM ALONE FOR A WHILE

3. we understand that you've said it four times

ouch but I see some decent points here. I currently tr shelly though bc its true that if shelly was scum, she wouldn't out herself this early. So that means she's town

[Noraa]

What is crumbing? also what's (self)meta? I can't find definitions for these in the abbreviations wiki doc

Crumbing is when you say stuff that you can point back to prove your point. Like if on Day One I say "hey, neighbor" and then on day four I quote it and say, see, I was crumbing the role Town Friendly Neighbor

that's sounds stupid af

[Noraa]

crumbing just sounds stupid and a scumtell almost

[Noraa]

I know there is a Cop or Tracker in the game. They'll prove me right.

Thats true if u have a partner ig they can technically prove ur real but what if shelly is town claiming a pr bc she wants to eliminate plus who she is certain is scum? if that's a really stupid suggestion, just pretend I didn't say it. Or what if plus is town claiming a pr to not get eliminated? Huh maybe both are town? idk I want to say both are town but it does seem like that's prolly not the case

noooOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GIVE ME A STROKE

NOBODY ELSE CLAIM
I DIDN'T THINK I NEEDED TO SAY IT THAT LOUD

there's no way they claimed these pr's if they're vt
if they did they're throwing

Dang echo is really pissed. Dude u missed the party. If u were on like an hour ago or something u could've told everyone to stfu

[Noraa]

Who's your partner?

PlusJoy pocketed Noraa so they seem fairly town and PlusJoy would have insanely bussed 72offsuit if they were scum. Sirius also probs town for getting called out by plusjoy early on

I'm banking on Sceptorus or Frogster

"who's your partner" are you fucking kidding mee
jesus i hate my life
i'm gonna go shower i'm malding rn

since apparently it needs to be said loudly for everyone to hear

NOBODY CLAIM ANY ROLES
NOBODY HAMMER
IF YOU HAVE AN INSTINCT TO DO SOMETHING JUST DON'T DO IT

I feel like when I'm an SE I'll be the kind Echo is. In other words: get pissed when noobs r being stupid and get pissed when noobs r trying to be smart.
Ok i think from what I've seen so far, you think shelly is scum and plus is town...?

[Noraa]

Dang echo is really pissed. Dude u missed the party. If u were on like an hour ago or something u could've told everyone to stfu

my join date was in 2016, i've played a fair bit of mafia
this is the dumbest interaction i've ever seen
i'm literally balding bc of it and i'm only 18

AHAHA then we should feel accomplished for being the stupidest group of noobies u have ever seen

[Noraa]

Redados lol stop quoting all my questions - makes me look like the stupidest noob here:(
also hmph these emojis r cute

[Noraa]

BAHAHAHA Echo's a jellyfish. Poor Echo: loses braincells cuz two people just claimed pr roles, is balding at 18, AND is now a jellyfish

[Noraa]

@Frog
I agree and hard TR shelly now whereas I used to have a null read on her

[Noraa]

Phew now we wait for 72's opinion because I'm interested in what he's going to say

[Noraa]

Plus was at E-1 then frog or someone unvoted

[Noraa]

Nvm it was 72 I think

[Noraa]

DONT DO IT FROG

[Noraa]

Echo will kill us all when he's back and lose more hair lmaooo

[Noraa]

dang redados i like you sad imma get elimed today.

I'm kinda pissed at how freaking dumb shelly is being rn. Regardless of alignment this push has been agressive as hell and self sacrificing considering they are gonna get elimed tomorrow. But I'm still pretty bad at this game, so whatevs. I'm gonna be extremely pissed if shelly doesn't flip tomorrow, and outraged if they flip VT cause they were cocky about me flipping red.

If she flips green then it means my read was correct :O

[Noraa]

NOBODY CLAIM ANY ROLES
NOBODY HAMMER
IF YOU HAVE AN INSTINCT TO DO SOMETHING JUST DON'T DO IT[/b]

[Noraa]

Bruh we are not limming sirius here. He fucking just got replaced out that's unfair

[Noraa]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

LMAO. This is potentially a very strong plan. If we nominate the wrong player on accident and they lie, then after we mis lynch shelly it's 5-way lylo and the scum team is confirmed.

[Noraa]

Ah shoot I didn't scroll all the way so my thing ended up in the quotation
My comment was:
The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

[Noraa]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

LMAO. This is potentially a very strong plan. If we nominate the wrong player on accident and they lie, then after we mis lynch shelly it's 5-way lylo and the scum team is confirmed.

The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

[Noraa]

Phew take three

[Noraa]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

LMAO. This is potentially a very strong plan. If we nominate the wrong player on accident and they lie, then after we mis lynch shelly it's 5-way lylo and the scum team is confirmed.

The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

Which part of it won't work?

Theres too many if's and that gives the mafia a lot of chances to just confuse us by doing strange things

[Noraa]

I'm going to reevaluate the situation leading up to the claims from a scum!shelly perspective who believes if she does not counterclaim, she will be lynched instead.

shelly was at like E-3 or something....

[Noraa]

I like the plan that sounds fun. I prefer eliming shellyc today since from my perspective she's either a misplaying scum or a severely misplaying VT claiming a pr role. Knowing shelly, I think her plan was that she was scum, and she'll say her plan was that she was confident that I was maf and to fake claim doc as VT so she would die n1 and that the maf kept her alive but she's just a regretful. If the town promises me they'll elim her no matter what I'm fine with being elimed rn.

so ik shelly has kinda low-key been attacking u a shit ton but tbf most of her points were pretty valid. i slightly feel like ur trying to get another to die with u which I don't like because I tr u and shelly. In fact I prolly tr shelly a lil more than u as of rn cuz I feel like scum wouldn't do something like this.

[Noraa]

I don't want you to be eliminated plus bc I truly do believe that u r town. Like I hear what they r saying but I seriously legitimately think ur town(if ur not imma be very upset with my read btw) The problem is that what shelly has done so far screams town to me. She does seem very sus of basically everyone but she's done and said things that I don't think scum would ever do or say - it just doesn't make sense to me. Especially her wall, I just feel like 1)scum would never do walls cuz they r sus af 2)scum wouldn't directly come at u, they would pocket other people and have them do the dirty work 3)u already fucking claimed ur role, if she was scum, she could've just night killed u, I don't see the point in cc'ing. I tr both of u and its putting me in a tough place rn and I think I might just not choose a side here because I don't wish to be a part of the elimination of either bc I believe u both are town. I believe in my read and will believe in both of you not being scum and I think that will be my stance in this whole argument thingie.

This paragraphs too long. I aint proofreading. if there's a ton of runons and bad grammar, just pretend it was perfect:)

[Noraa]

I just describe a situation in which town loses from this plan and then PLUS immediately says "I like this plan"

bad timing ig

[Noraa]

Actually, in hindsight, don't answer that Noraa lol.

Why not?

[Noraa]

Noraa I know you townread both shelly and PLUS before the claims, as did I, however, logically we have confirmation now that one of them is gamethrowing or one of them is lying, and I don't believe that either one is game throwing.

Noraa let's say PLUS is scum here for sure and shelly is town, who do you think PLUS partner is if you had to pick right now?

maybe both are lying? Idk I still feel like all their posts give off townie vibes. My gut tells me they are town and I wish to believe it til the end, at least for my first game. Perhaps this will be a big lesson for me and teach me new things in preparation of the second but rn I want to stick to what I believed and go thru with it. If my read was absolute garbage, well fuck it. no one can say anything anyways since its my first game so lmao imma just continue thru with my reads.

[Noraa]

VOTE: PLUS

Nooo frog, echo's gonna be so mad

[Noraa]

Plus is back at E-1 now I'm pretty sure

[Noraa]

I'm also not interested in hearing from the replacement slot for this same reason. I'll townread anyone who helps me quickhammer PLUS.

I won't be taking this free town pass bc I believe in plus and his pure townie energy(I stole this line from someone, can't remember who, but I think I heard it a while ago)

[Noraa]

Not that it matters since I'll be elimed soon, but my elim pool today is just shellyc, and my elim pool tomorrow is (72o, froster)

Bro if I had god tier persuasive skills, I would try to not have an elim today cuz I feel like no elim is better than killing a townie(some people had valid points against this but like ) But it seems a lot of peoples opinions r set in stone at this point and I hate it but also i don't know what to do. Now's about the time when I low-key wish I was an SE that knew wtf I was doing.

[Noraa]

Dang that's harsh I tr shelly, plus, and echo and ur telling me that voting plus might save echo.

[Noraa]

I'm also not interested in hearing from the replacement slot for this same reason. I'll townread anyone who helps me quickhammer PLUS.

Ok so I might be overthinking but this sounds a tiny bit scummy imo and idk what to think here cuz the whole time I have thought u were town because its true u were "spitting mafia theory at us"-quote from shelly which I thought was a towntell bc scum wouldn't do that

[Noraa]

I just describe a situation in which town loses from this plan and then PLUS immediately says "I like this plan"

bad timing ig

nah

Not that it matters since I'll be elimed soon, but my elim pool today is just shellyc, and my elim pool tomorrow is (72o, froster)

Bro if I had god tier persuasive skills, I would try to not have an elim today cuz I feel like no elim is better than killing a townie(some people had valid points against this but like ) But it seems a lot of peoples opinions r set in stone at this point and I hate it but also i don't know what to do. Now's about the time when I low-key wish I was an SE that knew wtf I was doing.

no elim is BAD

T^T new replacement doesn't like my reads

[Noraa]

VOTE: PLUSJOY

wait don't tell me he's dead now?!

[Noraa]

Ok so I'm stupid does hammered mean there's no way that u can survive? cuz I counted the votes and now you are at E-0 if that exists

[Noraa]

BRUH NUUUU someone unvote pls before the mod gets back

[Noraa]

This is not cool and if he is seriously fn, imma be low-key ticked off tmrw.
pretty. fucking. ticked. off

[Noraa]

Doesn't work like that sorry noraa. I'm dead
I like your posts, and hope to play with you gain c: My last request is that you can lead the town to victory and murder shellyc and her partner

now I'm sad

[Noraa]

Sorry for my misplays town. This was my second real mafia game and I'm still not very good

dude u helped make d1 so much more interesting and I still 100% believe u were town
I will look out for u and prolly purposefully try to join games ur in cuz its been fun and I mean this like honestly

[Noraa]

dw plus we'll both be SE's in no time just watch and I get ur feeling that u always die really fast. take a look at the only two marathon games I've been in. they might make u feel better:)

[Noraa]

Vig 10er and Grandest Idea mafia are the names
I just checked lol

[Noraa]

I just describe a situation in which town loses from this plan and then PLUS immediately says "I like this plan"

bad timing ig

nah

Not that it matters since I'll be elimed soon, but my elim pool today is just shellyc, and my elim pool tomorrow is (72o, froster)

Bro if I had god tier persuasive skills, I would try to not have an elim today cuz I feel like no elim is better than killing a townie(some people had valid points against this but like ) But it seems a lot of peoples opinions r set in stone at this point and I hate it but also i don't know what to do. Now's about the time when I low-key wish I was an SE that knew wtf I was doing.

no elim is BAD

T^T new replacement doesn't like my reads

"I want to no lim" is not a read! No lim is BAD

but I mean I feel like limming a pr is worse than not limming at all ... right?

[Noraa]

Sorry for my misplays town. This was my second real mafia game and I'm still not very good

It's okay, it worked out! You brought a scum down with you, which is an *excellent* trade we'll hang Shelly tomorrow! I can't WAIT to see how she tried to finagle her way out of this one

is this sarcastic and also I still don't agree. I think both are town.

[Noraa]

In a vacuum maybe, but we learned a lot! And dude, we found a scum for it. That's an excellent trade!

Thats mean -________________________________-

[Noraa]

In a vacuum maybe, but we learned a lot! And dude, we found a scum for it. That's an excellent trade!

Thats mean -________________________________-

It's not! If we do that trade twice, we win!

still mean to sacrifice a noobie pr

[Noraa]

I'm very protective of fellow noobies >:(

[Noraa]

Echo more importantly some people hammered plus >:(

[Noraa]

And I for one and not here for it

[Noraa]

...I'm a noobie.

eh I still like plus more :3 im not happy with how you hammered someone the day you replaced in. in fact I would almost say that's a scumtell

[Noraa]

I ain't self hammering as town.

All I know is you'll flip red. Listen as scum here you should probably start thinking about self hammering.

you guys need to stop talking

lmao they stopped a while ago cuz shelly went to bed or something

[Noraa]

...I'm a noobie.

eh I still like plus more :3 im not happy with how you hammered someone the day you replaced in. in fact I would almost say that's a scumtell

what? I hammered because one of them is scum, they each role claimed contradictory roles. If Plus flipped town (which he did), we'll just lim Shelly tomorrow. This is fine/good.

The TFN isn't a role that really helps once you get outed, he was just gonna get nightkilled. Doctor is more useful to keep around if Shelly were town (which she's not )

I replaced in today, but I read the whole thread and caught up... do I have to wait a certain amount of hours before I'm allowed to vote?

wait its confirmed he was town? where? what?

[Noraa]

sac?

[Noraa]

watch shelly be vt
I was right about plus so I believe I'm also right about shelly

[Noraa]

I will actually be so mad if we end up limming a pr and a vt days 1 and 2

[Noraa]

update: i don't like mundivore as town

explain

[Noraa]

I can't believe shelly would sac in that situation.

I agree. Almost feels like a vendetta against me or some shit cause it doesn't make sense.

I was wondering about this as well. I think it means that her partner is someone that is universally town read, so she felt content to take out one pr and let them solo win.

echo?