Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

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VOTE: teacher
we don't need no education

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I'll support Mdmath if they 2v1 him. Ydrasse is my second vote choice since they /out'd trials mafia :p

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[srs] Ydrasse is giving me subtle scumvibes rn.
They seem ... nervous? This is all gut feel and first impression though. It is the start of the game after all.

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[srs] Ydrasse is giving me subtle scumvibes rn.
They seem ... nervous? This is all gut feel and first impression though. It is the start of the game after all.

is there any reason you’re not voting there

how do you feel about the teacher wagon

waiting for teacher to respond before I swap, which I likely will, as long as teacher doesn't trip any big scumtells. The best info usually comes from the biggest wagons and I don't wanna dilute the wagon until they say something

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Then why not swap over to me IV?

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yes I do

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In fact I caused you to switch to teacher?

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It sounds like to me you agreed with what I said about the wagon (maybe you would have worded it differently), but you didn't want to say it as to not risk catching flak for it and are happy to see a scummier than you get called out? Breadcrumbing a SR on me so you can hop on a wagon against me later if the opportunity presents itself? Or am I jumping to conclusions here?

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oh well then ignore me asking why you didn’t vote ydrasse

?????
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Innocent villager

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I don't think there's much else IV could have done to convince me he's scum for an experienced slot at least. Like 75% sure he's some kind of jester or scum. That's high enough for me to entertain a tunnel on him.

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I don't think there's much else IV could have done to convince me he's scum for an experienced slot at least. Like 75% sure he's some kind of jester or scum. That's high enough for me to entertain a tunnel on him.

your probabilities are a bit off there? and I don’t follow your process at all for getting there

I can't hear you over the sound of my digging

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Random thought but
What if in a closed mini like this the whole mafia just claimed to be 3 masons
That'd be so dope if it worked

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Shelly is a mean scum who should be fear eliminated on day 1

this is the first townie thing you've said all game

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I think shelly just likes to bully me considering ... well she knows :c

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shelly is a pure soul

disagree buuuuuut I could be wrong on this

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Ydrasse is town aligned because I have a good vibe from them

plusjoy is town since they're playing like 2023 and they seem sincere

IV is town as their profile pic gives me a good vibe (and they townpassed me)

need to click twice for this to go through

i agree with all of this so Shelly is town

iv continuing to trip all my scumtells like an RV through a spiderweb

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too early to scumcase iv imo and I'm not very good at it. When he posts more I might do one. IV kinda distracted me tbh so I'm gonna go back and reread all iso's to form a first impression readlist cause I love making those

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Who loves readlists? I do!

kerset: Shitposter, which is NAI. My gut says they are town though but not a lot to go on; I feel like scum would be more self aware and worried about being SR'd from shitposting, and the mason thing might be a unique way of rvs 3 other players to see reactions. TR.

Ydrasse: Mild scumtell mainly from gut but it's getting weaker as time passes, would vote over other TR but mostly null at this point. Their posts seem NAI though #49 was pretty townie. Null atm.

Andres: null, only posted once

Saudade: feels kinda scummy, especially his entrance and making an excuse to lurk like IV said, but it could just be his personality. His kerset attack seems really random and feels mildly scummy overall. SR.

Shellyc: Feels like her scumgame but it could also be recentcy bias so idk. I'd like to look a townie game from here actually, since they have q knack for appearing townie as scum naturally. Leaning null for now.

bob: Town read actually. His opener is pretty wack and that logic seems strange but I think he believes it. going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck. TR

teacher: kinda ignored their early wagon which is a lil weird. I'm glad he's calling out IV but honestly NAI at this point. The
vote at #90 seems so late and doesn't make sense. null for now

Menal: Why are they handing out TR/pockets so much? Seem self aware too. But I don't think a scum menal would throw pockets that much and be open about it, so I TR them.

IV: total scumbucket. I'll do a full casing later. I'm aware this tunnel without explanation is sus from me but idc. I want him to lower his guard first and hit him with a big list later on. SR

Taylor swift; agreeable lurker. Minor SR but need more to go off of. They've seem to have gone largely unnoticed so I'd like someone to pressure them at some point. SR overall

NDMath: null, only posted once

osuka: also going against IV without much explanation, most of his posts are about IV and I don't think he's trying to pocket me either since we expressed a SR on IV around the same time. Null for now

current SR is IV > Taylor > saudade

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If you are looking for a towngame read newbie 2025.

that's my one and only towngame

I have pure scum energy

I might read that later, thanks. Would prefer to go after those 3 first though

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I think part of the biggest thing is in hedgehog newbie IV seemed obvtown to me and self-sacrificing while more willing to take risks. Here he seems really sheepy and self aware even if he comes across somewhat townie by promoting discussion among other things. But I think he's good enough to do that as scum since I respect him.

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My own solve is Taylor / Mena / teacher

TR Ydrasse / IV / plusjoy

null on rest

what makes you SR teacher?

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pure gut

just pure gut

and respone to early wagon doesn't ping town either

I could see it

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TR into vote me anyway
The greatest of combos

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I dont think you scumreading me for going after kerset is fair,
Given how I have explained my reasoning while you are going randomly after iv and did not explain your reasoning

You're my weakest SR if it makes you feel any better

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If the mafia was a band you'd play the triangle

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Actually my very early scumsense from Ydrasse is faded at this point, I changed my mind they aren't null they are probably town

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I've got it

Saudade is the mafia tree stump

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treestumps are very much non-normal

I was joking to mess with saudade.

I TR you for now but only slightly.

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what did I say to make you TR me

the pocket feels comfy

I TR you slightly. I think a lot of your logic makes sense this time around and are encouraging discussion. Plus this is the only game I've played with you where you feel like you're trying to pocket me, usually a scumtell, but you've always been scum so I WIFOM my usual perspective based on past stuff. You also seem to be going against the grain more which I didn't really see in hedgehogs.

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i like how everyone thinks they have super well-reasoned reads. like i guess its page 12 but the game is what? 3 hours old? has everyone even posted yet? chill out people. also a lot of people are giving reads but i havent seen a whole lot of vote-moving since initial rvs votes. interesting

reads this early are subject to change ofc

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I’m kind of curious why osuka scumreads me but like I get that this probably shouldn’t be discussed in full

why? why would you say that? that sounds so scummy

everytime I think about second guessing my hard SR on you you just say something scummy again

I get that you are probably telling the truth about being different game to game regardless of alignment. I consider myself somewhat the same way. My main tell being I usually scumhunt more agressively as town and show more emotion, whereas I'm more safe and calculating when I play scum. But despite all of that I still vary game to game as well.

But even throwing away all that and acting like I've never seen you play, your agreeableness and disregarding stuff among other things are super duper scummy to me. The biggest tell being your behavior on page 3. So the SR stands.

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plusjoyed, could you link me to a town game + a scum game, please?

yeah
as VT: (replaced in day 2)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83887

I haven't rolled scum yet on this site, but I do have a game or 2 on another forum from about 5 years ago (hypixel). If you'd like that I can dig it up but I like to think my brain has developed more since then.

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Who loves readlists? I do!

kerset: Shitposter, which is NAI. My gut says they are town though but not a lot to go on; I feel like scum would be more self aware and worried about being SR'd from shitposting, and the mason thing might be a unique way of rvs 3 other players to see reactions. TR.

Ydrasse: Mild scumtell mainly from gut but it's getting weaker as time passes, would vote over other TR but mostly null at this point. Their posts seem NAI though #49 was pretty townie. Null atm.

Andres: null, only posted once

Saudade: feels kinda scummy, especially his entrance and making an excuse to lurk like IV said, but it could just be his personality. His kerset attack seems really random and feels mildly scummy overall. SR.

Shellyc: Feels like her scumgame but it could also be recentcy bias so idk. I'd like to look a townie game from here actually, since they have q knack for appearing townie as scum naturally. Leaning null for now.

bob: Town read actually. His opener is pretty wack and that logic seems strange but I think he believes it. going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck. TR

teacher: kinda ignored their early wagon which is a lil weird. I'm glad he's calling out IV but honestly NAI at this point. The
vote at #90 seems so late and doesn't make sense. null for now

Menal: Why are they handing out TR/pockets so much? Seem self aware too. But I don't think a scum menal would throw pockets that much and be open about it, so I TR them.

IV: total scumbucket. I'll do a full casing later. I'm aware this tunnel without explanation is sus from me but idc. I want him to lower his guard first and hit him with a big list later on. SR

Taylor swift; agreeable lurker. Minor SR but need more to go off of. They've seem to have gone largely unnoticed so I'd like someone to pressure them at some point. SR overall

NDMath: null, only posted once

osuka: also going against IV without much explanation, most of his posts are about IV and I don't think he's trying to pocket me either since we expressed a SR on IV around the same time. Null for now

current SR is IV > Taylor > saudade

i actually found the one? game i think you've completed on here and am working off that information.

as town you seemed content to say 'idk' a lot regarding slots when you outted an initial reads list in that previous game, with more content in that one to boot. here, it feels like you're trying to fill up space with words that you really don't need to like you did in that post that pushed me to vote you.

do you feel nervous this game at all, or are you trying to put to use somehow the experience you've had to post more informed reads...? i admittedly get a sense of unsureness from this that feels like you're trying not to commit too much to things/not rock the boat (lil weird, kinda scummy, etc).

As town I don't know who the scum are, and it's only page 10. I like readlists for discussion/first impressions but a lot of those guys like andres and Q I have to read null since they've posted very little. I'm mot that nervous no. I was nervous in that game since I replaced in day 2 and it was my first game in 5 years (and the other games I played were pretty night focused since we didn't really have VT's, were bastard, and we were all pretty young).

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I can see how you would see the discrepancy as being AI but in reality I just learned a lot from that first game and gained more confidence in my reads since they turned out pretty close. It's NAI but you don't have to believe me.

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I also just like posting a bunch. I don't want to wait too long for stuff to happen, it's bad for town anyway when discussion is slow. Fortunately it's been pretty active

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It varies person to person and case by case basis, and instinct/gut plays a pretty big role.

General scumtells are safe play, excessive agreeability or desire to please, pocketing, solves/reads are either too flexible or too rigid, not coming across as genuine/appearing to have ulterior motives outside of solving, and/or trying too hard to appear town among other things

This next part is flawed logic, however...
If a player comes across to me as experienced and/or has a join date before 2016 I hold them to a higher standard. They can probably appear town or scum to an extent how they wish. So depending on this I may insert a level of WIFOM to them if they appear partly town or scum depending on circumstance. I.E. an experienced player obvscumming but appears to be solving their way is likely town and an experienced obvtown player with a few cracks of scumtells is likely scum to me.

Headed to bed for now

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ndmath, shall we do battle?

No. UNVOTE: ydrasse

VOTE: innocentvillager is obvscumming

Can you elaborate as to why you think this?

I too think ydrasse is very likely town.

I don't really get most of the reasonings in Plusjoyed readlist, 230.
To be specific:
'unique way of rvs', 'going against the grain and taking a risk', 'gone largely unnoticed'

Don't get what 222 is getting at since shelly had several contributing posts.
I dislike how 286 is anti-reads and the comment about votes not moving doesn't make sense.
VOTE: Tayl0r

which parts of my first impressions would you like me to elaborate on?

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It varies person to person and case by case basis, and instinct/gut plays a pretty big role.

General scumtells are safe play, excessive agreeability or desire to please, pocketing, solves/reads are either too flexible or too rigid, not coming across as genuine/appearing to have ulterior motives outside of solving, and/or trying too hard to appear town among other things

This next part is flawed logic, however...
If a player comes across to me as experienced and/or has a join date before 2016 I hold them to a higher standard. They can probably appear town or scum to an extent how they wish. So depending on this I may insert a level of WIFOM to them if they appear partly town or scum depending on circumstance. I.E. an experienced player obvscumming but appears to be solving their way is likely town and an experienced obvtown player with a few cracks of scumtells is likely scum to me.

Headed to bed for now

...is this part of why you scumread me lol

I thought you found my posts scummy in general though?

scummy given context and gut feel too. Your posts are scummy to me still

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sorry plus I’m not being clear, I’m specifically referring to the latter half of that post about “wifom”. I am an experience player with join date before 2016 so it seems like you would townread me by that logic but you maintain I’m scummy

normally I would townread you for activity and discussion despite slight scumtells but I apply a single layer of WIFOM since you're experienced so that makes you scum.

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Basically, I TR IV until around page 3 when he made mistake/scumtells so WIFOM kicked in and now he's ultra scum mafia god

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My pings off the first couple of pages are ydrasse, NDmath, and maybe osuka

how do you SR NDMath off of 1 post
Though this is coming from a guy who made a readlist on page 10

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Oh, and all I remember from last night was getting a fairly strong impression that teacher was town from the way he reacted to my entrance

VOTE: ydrasse

I don't like this vote without reasoning to go with and you're not caught up. We're past the random voting stage, that could have been an accidental hammer

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I don't see how you see NDMath as scummy but not Kerst, they both made joke claims

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I don't like menal's scumhunting/reads atm but that's NAI to me for now

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Bob is actually my strongest TR atm, funny since he's posted little. I just don't see scum!bob going for that opener

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Why do you think Kersts claim was a joke and NDmath's claim was serious
I think they're both rvs joke claims

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Yes those are one and the same

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He could just as easily have a dry sense of humor

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Menal is giving me weird vibes atm, not sure if alignment indicative or just how they are. For those who have played with menal before, what do you think about them?

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They’re like... really obviously not one and the same?

“This is me claiming aesthetic.” is meaningfully different from “Any votes placed against the masonry will be considered as treachery”

just ... no. This feels super closed minded. It was in RVS for Christ's sake, what player would seriously claim there

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i am on menas side here those do feel different

It is not anti town to claim ascetic

It is obviously is to claim mason and that was a lol claim

how is it not anti town and dumb to claim anything seriously first page

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[srs] Ydrasse is giving me subtle scumvibes rn.
They seem ... nervous? This is all gut feel and first impression though. It is the start of the game after all.

Also I’m like confused here plusjoy by you not getting my reads when apparently you had the exact same response to two of the people I’ve given opinions on?

That was first 2 pages, I've changed my mind on them since then so now I TR them

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Well I've never played a game with an aesthic claim in it but the wiki says they like to claim off the bat like millers. I still don't take the claim seriously but I will if NDMath doubles down on said claim.

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I'm not saying your first impression is wrong for you to have I just disagree with it and wanted to discuss it

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NDMath first impression is the one that made no sense to me since I didn't realize aesthetic claim right off the bat sometimes but now I get it.

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Why are people voting IV?

he's my biggest SR atm

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I said my reasoning of 345/346. Basicially a layer of WIFOM combined with being agreeable/pockety and our interaction page 3

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I don't like the mena slot. They also subtly moved their NDMath position from scummy to null after our convo about it, which he instead SR's me for. Not a problem in itself, but why would you seemingly agree with NDMath being null instead of scummy and also SR me for that?

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Plusjoy I feel like I don’t understand where his thoughts are coming from at all, and that’s compounded with things I think are contradictory

(thinking my reads were weird when I said similar things to his first impressions), I dislike the push on IV who I think is p towny so far and I dislike the confidence level being manifested there (also in conjunction with someone saying that in a past game as town he was happier to leave people as idk which speaks I think to an ability as town to be nuanced or acknowledge that his read strength may be variable as town), and then stuff that I just don’t get at all (like the thing of arguing that ND’s opening claim was as obviously a joke as kerset’s was)

Just like enough things seem off in small ways that despite him playing I don’t feel he’s town

Would prob prefer t-swizzle at this point tho

VOTE: t-swizzle

I feel the same about you, I don't get your reads/tells

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I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

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I will say not understand someone else’s thoughts/finding them contradictory is not necessarily a scumtell, I do implore people to keep that in mind, scum are more careful about this than town are in general

yeah no I still lean mena town slightly from my earlier read but kinda nullish hearing his thoughts lately now

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I don't like the mena slot. They also subtly moved their NDMath position from scummy to null after our convo about it, which he instead SR's me for. Not a problem in itself, but why would you seemingly agree with NDMath being null instead of scummy and also SR me for that?

No, I said I was scum pinged by ND’s opening

I then read the game and decided that there are other slots I prefer for scum given that ND has only 2 posts, which means that they got bumped up to null. If loads of people had been towntelling id put more faith in that initial ping

My problem with you was that you framed my entire catchup take as weird/bad despite that fypov those wouldn’t be weird takes overall because you’d had similar ones?

my logic/reads make sense in my brain but your logic/reads don't make sense in my brain. But that's usually indicative of TvT I think

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lurkerman

Who is this btw?

osuka

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plus you are a treasure chest full of confusion

this is why he’s town

I think my Taylor townread qualifies as a hot take at this point

I'd say so. You've been handing out TR so much and given no SR iirc so it almost seems as if you know who is town and who is scum

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you know who is town and who is scum

well you’re right about that part

why do you say the things you say

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my logic/reads make sense in my brain but your logic/reads don't make sense in my brain. But that's usually indicative of TvT I think

Hmm. Let me check something 2 secs

Yeah okay, I checked and this bothers me bc I don’t think you’ve made that much of an effort to understand my logic or reasoning for my reads? You basically asked about my NDmath thing and then argued with me for a while about whether his thing was as obv a joke as kerset’s thing or not, but like you didn’t really try to get me to go much further into my feelings on ydrasse or osuka, so I’m unclear how you were evaluating my logic at all?

I have. I thought about it in my head. I asked you about NDmath and the result of that still didn't make sense even after you explained it so I'm not optimistic I'll understand the rest of your reads.

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swapping avi's to join the weeb uprising

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One of us is a brilliant player and the other is yet to prove himself

Don’t worry buddy you’ll get that recognition someday

Literally look to your left you dumdum

ego detected

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saudade feels like he's been trying to isolate himself from the get go but I don't interpret that as AI

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plus your avatar is making me uncomfortable

?

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Mena, why are you defending me? I am useless trash.

don't be that way :c

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is that Griffith

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Me and Kerset are on the same page then

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I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

this is weird I don’t understand why you give up my push when like the same number of people scumread me as townread me and there are a decent number of people who have not committed to a reason on me

I don't think anyone seriously SR you except me and shelly

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kerset and osuka aren’t like my biggest fans

and there’s plenty of slots who haven’t opinioned on me

like the alternative are that much easier or something? no one in this game really has more scumread support necessarily, like maybeee taylor

it just doesn’t really make sense to me why you back off pushing me

I mean, I'm still voting for you. I'm just saying taylor is scummy enough I'd join a wagon for their elim if I was needed since I SR them too

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i like this mod

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im not prodging. i just had time to read games that had ~1-2 pages but not 10. catching up now. also its fucking the first 24 hours and you can fuck off with lurking claims at this point.

I dislike the cut of your jib

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oh and i promised to vote, so VOTE: iv

i like that you're joining my wagon but that doesn't earn you any townpoints with me

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what is the problem with early reads? do you want the game to leave RVS or not

the problem isnt having reads. the problem for me is pretending theyre rock solid. the "this is my solve on page 5" isnt really gamesolvy or driving the game forward. its just shitposting dressed up as scumhunting.

We all have our moments where we believe in ourselves

kind of but this could be a mafia/taylor scumteam trick

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oh it was serious...

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Think my elimpool is still IV/taylor today. I'll do either or.

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They both scream scum to me

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super defensive, discouraging conversation/discussion

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the past 3 pages

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well yeah before that too

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They both scream scum to me

Think my elimpool is still IV/taylor today. I'll do either or.

Did I already ask you what you thought was scummy in IV or nah? If I did can you link me to where you answered, if you didn’t then, why?

Haven't done a full casing since I'm getting a little less sure but for now

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12119434

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My gut feeling of him comes and goes and I descend back and forth between wifom of him having scumslips or him just acting odd to me as town

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...can you give an example of an actual "scumslip" lol and why it's a scumslip?

No ):<

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well yeah before that too

please help me

see #628

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Plus are you an alt/have you played a lot on different sites?

no

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I don't wanna repeat myself to saudade and menalque, I posted my thoughts on IV/taylor fast before in my readlist and I've been sus on them both for very early

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I don't wanna repeat myself to saudade and menalque, I posted my thoughts on IV/taylor fast before in my readlist and I've been sus on them both for very early

Okay only I’m not asking so much about your specific reads rn I’m trying to understand what your process is to decide if you like, actually have one or not

The answer is yes and I've posted it before
I'll post it again with more in depth stuff / reevaluate when I get off work

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hmm... aesthic and miller in a 13 man seems really unlikely.

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the miller claim and the aesthic claim change things. I think one of them is fake/evil most likely

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Why would there be 2 passive town roles that impact invest results in a mini normal? I don't see why they'd do that from a meta perspective.

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I agree that andre is town too

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Andres is comign across as similar to his play in his last game. So if he is town based on his meta read than shelly is likely town

I agree with thia sentiment from a newbie game I TR andres too

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{plus, ydrasse, menal}
{shelly, andres}
{Taylor}
{ndmath, bob, kerset, Saudade, osuka}
{teacher}

why is mena town?

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Me:
bob (townie god) > shelly > ydrasse > andres > mena > suadade > kerset > teacher > osuka > IV (leaning more townie) >  NDMath > taylor (scum extraordinaire)

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is bob your strongest tr based off of that opening alone?

yes

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correct, litterally no way, I think he's town so I'm commiting to my read on him

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going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck

you better have other reasoning because there’s no way your analysis here warrants townie god

u mad scum?

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I changed my mind IV is obvtown

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tbh I SR you early on at page 3 but it became weaker over time

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bob: Town read actually. His opener is pretty wack and that logic seems strange but I think he believes it. going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck. TR

this is your reasoning for him being a townie god?

he could “believe it” and also be scum

i just reread that post and burst out laughing

"he was playing pretty weird and what he's saying doesn't seem to make all that much sense but clearly he's a strong believer so obvtown"

this but unironically

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scum ydrasse could probably do it now that she’s learned a bit more about playing scum

self meta is trash

agree but you seem to like it

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V/LA until Monday pls, turns out the town I’m going to for climbing may not have mobile coverage? So I may not be able to post at all

Got it! -D

that sounds like fun

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Out of town tomorrow and probs busy tonight, VL/A until Sunday

Got it! Also please bold it next time so I don't miss it! -D

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I'll clarify things ... eventually

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also I'm gonna hop off this wagon and onto this one
UNVOTE:
VOTE: taylor

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I also want to hear the townie gods opinion

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I'm leaning slightly town on kerset

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I wasn't confident in IV's towniness until recently

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i don't wanna vote kerset his avi is cute

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you will not

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i wish plusjoyed was around

you rang?

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plus doesn't make sense to me at all and i wanted to vote them again but they're v/la so it wouldn't even do anything

iv if you're scum i'm gonna be very sad postgame

what am i doing that doesn't make sense?

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sorry was inactive yesterday
im no handyman so installing washer and dryer was harder than i thought
i'd prefer a taylor elim over a kerset elim today

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bob townie god
iv town
shelly town
Ydrasse town
Andres town
pretty confident on the above TR
mena town (slightly less sure than others)
kerset null townlean
saude null scumlean
osuka null scumlean
ndmath scummy
taylor scummy
teacher scummy after seeing their iso

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i've never been on kerset bruh or sr them at all

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if kerset is red i think osuka is town
i don't see scum osuka not pursuing another wagon while his scum bud dies day 1
same for teacher but to a lesser extent

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How strongly do you think t-swizzle is scum, plus?

i know they haven't said big anything to shift my opinion of them
lemee reread their iso one sec

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i did pivot on teacher being null to SR cuz i read their iso though shelly

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scum osuka hop on taylor imo if kerset is red
teacher too probs

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because he is bad man and agreeable Ydrasse

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my point is that scum osuka and scum teacher if their kerset was red would go for either a wagon that has a chance of taking off (taylor) regardless of taylor alignment or they'd bus kerset to end day 1 and get towncred

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also plus just pivoted off the teacher scumcase

scum radar going squeak AGAIN

no i literally didn't lol

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uhhhh at work but
teacher has been swapping his votes/sr a lot based on public opinion of those slots, he's flip floppity
he thought iv was scummy early when I did then he stopped later around when i stopped
he did the same thing with voting taylor then abandoning it
he also voted ndmath for inactivity also same time i expressed sr on slot
but then when kerset was at e1 he expressed intent to hammer and i don't think he ever even sr kerset before that

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i think im satisfied with my response yall can dig if u want

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why don't ya vote me then?
i'd prefer your vote on me rather than kerset so we can get an elim from someone i sr today instead

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whats weird about that?

I won't be elimed today so your vote doesn't matter if its on me, it's the same as not voting pretty much.

I'd prefer if we get either suadade, teacher, taylor, ndmath or osuka. since those are the people i sr/am null on. so take your vote off kerset please

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cuz im leaning town on kerset and their avi is cute

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dammit kerset nooooo

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i tried so hard, and got so far
but in the end, it doesn't even matter

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... wth IV?

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also called it on kerset being town ya nerds

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...i think iv is scum again
I'm fine being the day 2 elim since I'm pretty sure I know who the other scum are, at least 1 of them
VOTE: iv

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if iv flips red taylor is probs town

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yeah iv was scum my first guess was right all along
i am unable to reveal why i think this though due to site rules

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ate here

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it is a real argument though like it literally does not make sense for scum!me to claim VT

why do you not think town!me wouldn’t try to defend himself with that

and yes I’m sorry for not thinking before posting in a lurid state I do apologize I did fuck uo there

just a single layer of wifom
i see througb that

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Ydrasse put it back pls

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I skimmed since I was last here and I’m out but it is fucking insane to suggest that we flip IV > plus imo

what???
did you not see what IV said?

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disagree with kerset
iv is scum

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And frankly idk if I believe kerset’s claim although i do wanna see what saudade’s thinking bc I think he’s prob still town either way

that's a big scumping from me
you trying to elim me so iv has 1 more day to live? and are that sure on suadade town? after you disagreed with him
peddit kerset agrees with me here i think

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it's not that bad for town to elim me today but it's crazy to elim me over iv

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same

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why are you all letting iv's obvious ATE work?
If scum is playing pro town a lot of the game they are still scum

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osuka is on my possible d1 elim pool but i want an iv elim today

i think I thought mena was scum in heat of the moment at work but that was wrong of me. Mena has still played pretty townie imo and I don't think scum!mena would try that hard to salvage regardless of alignment

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the fact that you all seem to be defending him after this worries me a bit tbh
i'm a more details over big picture kinda guy and that post was a huge red flag

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the fact that you all seem to be defending him after this worries me a bit tbh
i'm a more details over big picture kinda guy and that post was a huge red flag

It’s literally just been me defending him because scunslips are a dumb reason to scumresd someone

Like I’ve come around on dumb tells a lik but but so much of the time scumslips are from town

Are you arguing he meant to post in the scum PT plus or just that he scumslipped in his mentality?

either or but this isn't his first scumslip imo

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i think osuka is kinda town tbh
the vote on the start against iv is what strikes me as townie. he is lurkerman and his solve efforts/explanations have been lacking but im the same way and im town. I could still see a scum osuka but I think it's a little less likely? i wanna go in depth moreso after iv flips

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if iv flips red taylor is probs town

uhh what

my logic is that taylor hopped on iv early on when wagoned, and so if taylor and iv are red that wouldn't make sense really. In fact your just worse off than taking the inital wagon usually

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im sayin scum taylor wouldn't bus their partner to escape if they have people SRing them already i think

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osuka, i read through the towngame i shared w iv and i've started skimming his iso and i feel like... i'm reading the same thing more or less, i.e. town iv? i don't get a sense that there's a difference btwn the two games.

like, you're saying iv's obvscumming but i'm not seeing it so i need you to hold my hand and walk me through it

no dude iv just had a fucking breakdown after he got accused of slipping

regardless of whether or not it was a slip, his reaction to the push on him really sealed the deal. he's confscum in my mind and i am almost certainly not going to compromise d1

cheers to that

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yes

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ikr i tried to tell these dudes but they wouldn't listen

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shelly hop on iv

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ok teacher is scum

VOTE: teacher

Over first half of this game he wanted to eliminate swift, over second half he wanted to eliminate me. Now he hopes that he can support saude to get rid of me. His entire ISO is just bloodthirst to get the most popular slot voted out.

i was thinking the same thing and he brushed me off

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you've been doing this since lime the first day my guy
ndmath is also probs town
scumteam is teacher/iv/that other fuck

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kerset i've never gone against you

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saudade is either scum or town with massive ego

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<3

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i wonder who the third scum is actually hmmm

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im thinking math actually he's my scummiest read

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boom guys i got it it's iv/teacher/ndmath
ndmath is probs maf ascetic

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i'll probs take one of those down if it comes to that, starting with iv

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oooo gettem

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don't throw kerset
this is tvt

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man everything actually falls really into place with iv/teacher/math
i'll make an in depth casing later

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don't throw kerset
this is tvt

TMI from plus

my reads are so good it just looks tmi
ny reads make every English teacher in America happy

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town!plus does plus things

but plusjoy's posting makes my scum radar bleep

i have been doing things, in fact your stance flipping on me worries me a bit.
the 2 completed games i have on this site I've been town and you've been scum, and on both of those you initially TR'd me and then swapped to SRing me once you saw other people expressed a SR on my slot. But my gut says your town and you've been acting like town!shelly so i could just be looking at this too narrowly

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I searched plusjoy's ISO for the word iv and what i see is very weird

Spoiler:

oh well then ignore me asking why you didn’t vote ydrasse

?????
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Innocent villager

IV is scum.

I don't think there's much else IV could have done to convince me he's scum for an experienced slot at least. Like 75% sure he's some kind of jester or scum. That's high enough for me to entertain a tunnel on him.

IV is 75% scum.

Ydrasse is town aligned because I have a good vibe from them

plusjoy is town since they're playing like 2023 and they seem sincere

IV is town as their profile pic gives me a good vibe (and they townpassed me)

need to click twice for this to go through

i agree with all of this so Shelly is town

iv continuing to trip all my scumtells like an RV through a spiderweb

IV is very scummy.

Basically, I TR IV until around page 3 when he made mistake/scumtells so WIFOM kicked in and now he's ultra scum mafia god

IV is scum because of WIFOM - a term which i don't especially like: occam's razor is the way to go

I changed my mind IV is obvtown

IV IS TOWN!

...i think iv is scum again
I'm fine being the day 2 elim since I'm pretty sure I know who the other scum are, at least 1 of them
VOTE: iv

weird self sacrificing spirit tbh a bit LAMIST

disagree with kerset
iv is scum

IV is obvscum???

man everything actually falls really into place with iv/teacher/math
i'll make an in depth casing later

IV is in the solve.

this flip-flopping makes me alarmed and concerned.

iv pinged me very early on but after a few interactions made me gradually think he's townie again, despite a nagging gut scum read. Then the scumslip happened and

[things i can't talk about]

. Though in a vacuum I can see how my shifts on IV look weird.
If I was scum I would be on the kerset wagon right now

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META. IS. TRASH.

don't try and change my mind

tell me who else is SR'ing you right now

ydrasse, mena, teacher? Maybe Math and bob

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how can I act like town!shelly when town!shelly hasn't been rolled out

well there is that marathon game we played together lol

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pedit marathons don't count smh

plusjoy stated in dead PT in finished game 2027 that they were excited to roll scum

which I think is happening right here

sorry mod my b guess I wasn't ambiguous enough
no, but I did get a fun role this time around that I've been crumbing and i like this player list

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pedit marathons don't count smh

plusjoy stated in dead PT in finished game 2027 that they were excited to roll scum

which I think is happening right here

"meta is trash! But due to meta stuff this person is scum!"

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i never claimed pr
I could be a vt >.>

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haha im having too much fun this game c:

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softed?

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shelly is probs just newbtown but it is kinda funny to watch
"this person tried to solve so it's tmi! Btw heres my solve!"

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im telling ya
the solve is iv/teacher/math
saude is next in line if one of those 3 flip town

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you seem mighty defensive teacher

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I second that

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oh thats just rvs vote. Im prety sure nDMath is town. If he was scum i woudl have expected him to do more

after all thats happened you've held your rvs vote?

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a teacher wagon would be nice... day 2
lets get the scum right in front of us

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bob ik ur towny god but please play less scummy/surface level

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bob ik ur towny god but please play less scummy/surface level

why do you TR someone playing scummy??!?

ngl his opener hard sold me as town!bob

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but now that's hes playing scummy maybe he was just silly scum all along

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Plusjoyed vote kerset

no
catching up sec

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kerset flips green

facts im disappointed in shelly

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why on earth are we seriously talking about killing a claimed pr d1

ikr
i think saude just has a big ego and doesn't wanna retract his read

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i've flipped on taylor im leaning more town taylor tbh

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rn i think it's
scum pile: iv, ndmath, teacher
maybe scum: saudade
tr everyone else pretty solidly at this point

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i wish I could explain some of them
ahh the curse of being in a lot of games at once

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saude does seem annoying town i just tr everyone else so hard atm he's the weak link
but it's not really pro town to tunnel this hard tbh which is why

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I do think kerset is doc but i have some doubts if they live a while
I TR andres and assume he isn't lying about miller claim, then we have an investigative townie i assume. maybe even more than 1.
they could feasibly prove or disprove kerset unless they are a ninja

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anyways to bed i go gn

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tbh i'd be frustrated too if i was doc and saude tunneled me the whole game
sounds unpleasant

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I also dislike plus's flipping on reads

commit to your reads and night

you want me to ignore new info?