Silent Star 2: Menagerie

[Loki Dokie]

Rrrrowr

[Loki Dokie]

nyao nyao.. purr?

rawwr?!

Purr

[Loki Dokie]

VC on this page.

[Loki Dokie]

purrrrrrrrrr

Purrrrrrrrrr

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

Meow???

[Loki Dokie]

Purr
Purr

squeak!

Purr purr

squeak?

Purr?

roar!!

chirp!

VOTE: drusilla


tweet. pipe. pipe pipe pipe.

warble?

Purrrr

[Loki Dokie]

tweet

warble?
chirp tweet

Purrrrrrrrrrr

[Loki Dokie]

[Loki Dokie]

roar

Spoiler:

growl

Spoiler:

grumble

Spoiler:

Purrr

[Loki Dokie]

ANNOUNCEMENT: Spoiler: [/spoiler] An ancient evil disguised as an innocent animal has infiltrated the Menagerie. Not only this, they have tempted another with their evil wiles, drawing them to the dark side. Aka: The first mafia member was randomised start of game. Everyone else received a town role PM. The sole mafia then proceeded to recruit their partner from the rest of the players, who was given an updated PM and a link to the factional thread. Outside of this and posting restrictions, this game is confirmed to be all vanilla in terms of power.

rrrrryrr

[Loki Dokie]

Purrrr

[Loki Dokie]

Purrr

[Loki Dokie]

squeak!

Purrrr

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

Hiss???

[Loki Dokie]

[5] Not Voting: Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

Meow????

[Loki Dokie]

purrr

[Loki Dokie]

the mafia will choose who to condemn

ROOOAARRR!

Meowww???

[Loki Dokie]

102
purr

Purrrrr

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler: [/spoiler] The octopus stretches out his arms, relishing in the space in the tank. He watches the manic dog warily from a distance, who continues to bark and run around in circles.

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Votecount 1.4

[3] Tayl0r Swift:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, PlusJOYED

[1] PlusJOYED:

Ydrasse

[1] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift

[4] Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler: [/spoiler] The octopus stretches out his arms, relishing in the space in the tank. He watches the manic dog warily from a distance, who continues to bark and run around in circles.

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Votecount 1.4

[3] Tayl0r Swift:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, PlusJOYED

[1] PlusJOYED:

Ydrasse

[1] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift

[4] Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

[Loki Dokie]

Meeeeoooowwww?????????

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler: [/spoiler] The nightingale flies up to a high branch and settles down near a beehive. Spying the tiger down below at the base of the trunk, she pecks at the twig holding the beehive in place, causing it to plummet down below onto the unsuspecting wildcat. At first, the tiger roars in anger and surprise, but this quickly transitions to fear and pain as the bees mercilessly prey upon him.

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Votecount 1.5

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, PlusJOYED

[2] PlusJOYED:

Ydrasse, Not_Mafia

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla, Isis

[1] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift

[2] Not Voting:

Lokie Dokie, Kanna

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

Meow???

[Loki Dokie]

Hiss?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

grrrr

VOTE: tayl0r Swift

[Loki Dokie]

Hiss?

scree?

rowr!

[Loki Dokie]

recruit their partner

scree click click,

scree VOTE: isis VOTE: pooky

squeak

s-queak: squeakity...

Meow?

[Loki Dokie]

88 89 tweet tweet. sing! sing! sing!
VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

scree?

39 53 56 68 71 76 85 94 97 117 134

88 89

sing! sing!

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

tweet.

VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

chirp chirp chirp.

Meow?

UNVOTE:

[Loki Dokie]

ROOOOAR



VOTE: isis

Rawwwwwrrrrrr

rrrryrrr, meow? Hiss?

[Loki Dokie]

88 89 tweet tweet. sing! sing! sing!
VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

scree?

39 53 56 68 71 76 85 94 97 117 134

88 89

sing! sing!

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

tweet.

VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

chirp chirp chirp.

VOTE: Pooky the magical bear

Grrr!

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Loki Dokie



ROAAAAAR!

Hiss

[Loki Dokie]

88 89 tweet tweet. sing! sing! sing!
VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

scree?

39 53 56 68 71 76 85 94 97 117 134

88 89

sing! sing!

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

tweet.

VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

chirp chirp chirp.

Puuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr! Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[Loki Dokie]

the mafia will choose who to condemn

ROOOAARRR!

Hisssss!

[Loki Dokie]

grumble grumble...

Hiss

[Loki Dokie]

[4] Not Voting: Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla

[5] Not Voting: Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

[4] Not Voting: Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

[4] Not Voting: Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

[2] Not Voting: Lokie Dokie, Kanna

VOTE: tayl0r Swift

VOTE: Pooky the magical bear

GRRR! RAWWWR!

Meeeeeeeeooooooowwwwww????????

[Loki Dokie]

ROOOOAR



VOTE: isis

Rawwwwwrrrrrr

Hiss?

[Loki Dokie]

Purrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[Loki Dokie]

purrrrrrrrrr

Meow?

[Loki Dokie]

....grumble grumble, growl...

Meow?

[Loki Dokie]

nyao nyao.. purr?

rawwr?!

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

RaWrR!

Meeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooowwwwwwwww???????

[Loki Dokie]

nyao nyao.. purr?

rawwr?!

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

RaWrR!

Meeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooowwwwwwwww???????

[Loki Dokie]

nyao nyao.. purr?

rawwr?!

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

RaWrR!

Meeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooowwwwwwwww???????

Meeeeeeeeooooooowwwww??????????

[Loki Dokie]

Purrrrrr Purrrrrrr Purrrrrr

[Loki Dokie]

Nicker

[Loki Dokie]

Nicker

[Loki Dokie]

ANNOUNCEMENT: Condemn one more animal, and it can't be PookyTheMagicalBear again. Good luck. You're unsure where the voice is coming from, but you think it's probably best to follow its instructions.

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Votecount 1.8

[9] Not Voting:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, Kanna, Ydrasse, PlusJOYED, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.

The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-16 07:18:42).

Nya

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

Roar!!!

Condemn one more animal

Neigh?

[Loki Dokie]

Roar!
VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear VOTE: Kanna?

eee-aaah?

Condemn one more animal

PlusJOYED, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia

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Votecount 1.6

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla, Isis, Kanna, Loki Dokie

[2] PlusJOYED:

Ydrasse, Not_Mafia

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

PlusJOYED

[1] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Loki Dokie:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0] Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

VOTE: taylor

VOTE: plusjoyed

VOTE: ydrasse

VOTE: taylor

Ydrasse, PlusJOYED,

[Loki Dokie]

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Votecount 1.9

[2] PlusJOYED:

Isis, drusilla

[1] Isis:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

Ydrasse

[1] Ydrasse:

PlusJOYED

[1] Drusilla:

Kanna

[3] Not Voting:

Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-16 07:18:42).

Neigh!

[Loki Dokie]

wait, don't maf recruit only after the first condemnation?

mafia choose before the game started

ill townbin this

I thought it was at some point during D1?

[Loki Dokie]

ok and what in my play-history would suggest I am good as a scum-partner ? I'm usually outspoken, brash and draw tons of attention - in a post restricted game such as this one I would think the ideal partner would be someone who is more of a silent hide in the shadows type player.

for me what would suggest you're a good choice for me would be the drawing of attention, but i'm not sure i could evaluate why other players would make that decision. i disagree with the last sentence entirely but it feels particularly not useful to discuss.

imo in a post restricted game you don't want somebody who has low self control and just spam posts a lot. Which I kind of did.

I was really excited to be a tiger and there were a large number of really cute tiger gifs and apparently thats scummy

For me it was some of the combinations you seemed to make which looked like possible contradictions and then your gif with the tiger roaring about scum choosing but more I townread Drusilla and just decided to sheep her. I really didn’t know what I was doing and how to make useful reads in this setup. I actually was thinking of unvoting you but the thread was already locked and I thought I would have more time on D2 but I don’t think I’ll be voting you today and just hope that Isis is actually scum I guess.

[Loki Dokie]

regardless of nomination/flip, i think it's still right to consider pooky town for the second condemn phase because if he was, we would have a better chance pulling down scum if we went with what he wanted
yet if he was scum, he would pull us town but we would already have one scum caught

it's the best chance to get scum ~in some way~

it crossed my mind earlier so either way i think isis was a very good condemn

This logic makes sense to me. I am town though

I wish no execute or another option was available. I wanted to condemn Tayl0r because I hated those sickly dog gifs.

[Loki Dokie]

It was pretty clear to me that it was pregame
this is pretty good townslip material

I was trying to see if any players noticeably changed their posting after being recruited. And I was trying to read posts to see if anyone looked like they were trying to do any recruiting. That’s what I thought Drusilla’s case on Pooky was all about that she thought she caught him trying to recruit and I was trying to decide whether he had recruited you or Ydrasse. I changed my animal picks too. I initially picked cheetah, elephant and horse, then decided I wanted a koala instead of a horse. I was seriously confused when I thought Kanna was posting cheetah gifs.

[Loki Dokie]

Why do you think I'm scummier than Pooky?

I don’t know if either of you are scummy. I think we might possibly be executing a town either way. I think that Dru, Kanna, Ydrasse, Plusjoyed and NotMafia are probably town, so that obviously has to be wrong if you and Pooky are both town. Like Idk, convince me. Maybe Pooky is scummier? I think this was actually easier when we were still post-restricted. If I go by that, he was playing really hard. I honestly have no clue and I obviously would if this was D3 in a normal game with two flips.

[Loki Dokie]

Do you like koalas Loki Dokie?

Sure, who doesn’t love koalas? they’re adorable.

I definitely do agree with whomever suggested we have animal code words. I wasn’t really clear if my horse sounds were even conveying what I intended, because with the cheetah, it was really obvious.

[Loki Dokie]

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't letting Loki's postcount feed into how easily I'm willing to just read this as townslip obvtown and drop any paranoia about it

it's funny because the town slip is literally quoting a post about town slipping but I guess I can see where you are coming from there I don't think you lie about Loki being town.

I am town but I think this setup is ideal for scum for pretty obvious reasons.

[Loki Dokie]

I hope I can show I'm town over the next few days. I'd rather manage to show I'm town rather than set out to prove pooky is scum since I don't know for sure that he is

It would be nice if one of you is scum because do we lose if both of you are town or do we just reset? With the post restrictions lifted, I probably wouldn’t vote for either of you. I know we don’t need to worry about this now but who stands out to you as scummy from the rest of the playerlist? Getting both yours and Pooky’s reads on the other players would probably be the most helpful thing either of you could do here.

[Loki Dokie]

I expect Hectic removed several scum nightkills to balance the setup. Ircher reviewed it

I'm a little confused by shift to setup balance discussion, a lot of your thoughts are hard to follow Loki

Well because we were pretty much shooting in the dark. Depending on what follows this vote, if we continue to pretty much make blind reads, statistically it benefits scum. I’ve never played a game where I had to make reads on things that I couldn’t read one way or another. If say I was still the cheetah and the only slot post-restricted, that would be a hoot, because I’d have been able to make real reads and just make animal sounds and gifs to illustrate my opinions but I really couldn’t figure out how to make reads based off of the extreme post restructions. If we had been allowed to maybe use emojis and possibly hurt/heal tags, it might have helped. It was fun either way, especially after I yelped back at Pooky for omgussing me, so I did really enjoy the animal expression part of it.

[Loki Dokie]

I hope I can show I'm town over the next few days. I'd rather manage to show I'm town rather than set out to prove pooky is scum since I don't know for sure that he is

It would be nice if one of you is scum because do we lose if both of you are town or do we just reset? With the post restrictions lifted, I probably wouldn’t vote for either of you. I know we don’t need to worry about this now but who stands out to you as scummy from the rest of the playerlist? Getting both yours and Pooky’s reads on the other players would probably be the most helpful thing either of you could do here.

i strongly expect that if Pooky and I are both town, we will get to keep eliminating players

I townread you and Ydrasse, and I lean scum on plusJOYED and Pooky. I was townreading drusilla but I'm a bit creeped out by her being dismissive about your slot townslipping.

Kanna is hard
I don't think Tayl0r has done much yet which I guess is somewhat similar to plusJOYED's status but it bothers me less from her for little reasons

I’m actually glad you said this because I didn’t like their confidence in one of you is likely to be scum. I will have to reread that post but does it actually specifically say anywhere that the recruitment happened pre-game because I must have missed it?

[Loki Dokie]

Loki in most normal games do you usually feel like the day 1 vote is random but the day 2 day 3 and so on votes are pretty intelligent and informed?

In most games, town misexecutes on D1 but no I definitely don’t think it’s random because there are clear things to look for but as the games goes on and you actually get flips, it obviously gets easier.

[Loki Dokie]

I hope I can show I'm town over the next few days. I'd rather manage to show I'm town rather than set out to prove pooky is scum since I don't know for sure that he is

It would be nice if one of you is scum because do we lose if both of you are town or do we just reset? With the post restrictions lifted, I probably wouldn’t vote for either of you. I know we don’t need to worry about this now but who stands out to you as scummy from the rest of the playerlist? Getting both yours and Pooky’s reads on the other players would probably be the most helpful thing either of you could do here.

i strongly expect that if Pooky and I are both town, we will get to keep eliminating players

I townread you and Ydrasse, and I lean scum on plusJOYED and Pooky. I was townreading drusilla but I'm a bit creeped out by her being dismissive about your slot townslipping.

Kanna is hard
I don't think Tayl0r has done much yet which I guess is somewhat similar to plusJOYED's status but it bothers me less from her for little reasons

its because i dont have an anime avatar, isnt it?

hm, did you read my post backwards? plusJOYED and I both have anime avatars, but I'm scumreading JOYED more than you for similar behavior, which would be a break in anime solidarity. So your question doesn't make intuitive sense to me

I agree with this, I’d vote plusjoyed over Tayl0r. I also agree with you on Ydrasse. I also like Kanna and NM.

[Loki Dokie]

ANNOUNCEMENT: Spoiler: [/spoiler] An ancient evil disguised as an innocent animal has infiltrated the Menagerie. Not only this, they have tempted another with their evil wiles, drawing them to the dark side. Aka: The first mafia member was randomised start of game. Everyone else received a town role PM. The sole mafia then proceeded to recruit their partner from the rest of the players , who was given an updated PM and a link to the factional thread. Outside of this and posting restrictions, this game is confirmed to be all vanilla in terms of power.

This was written in past tense before any of us had yet posted anything for day 1.

Yeah, it says the FIRST mafia member was obviously picked pre-game. Nowhere does it say when the second mafia member was picked prior to gamestart.

[Loki Dokie]

Loki in most normal games do you usually feel like the day 1 vote is random but the day 2 day 3 and so on votes are pretty intelligent and informed?

In most games, town misexecutes on D1 but no I definitely don’t think it’s random because there are clear things to look for but as the games goes on and you actually get flips, it obviously gets easier.

Well then, in that case, try to think of this as if it were day 1, and not day 3? No one has died yet. I think you're getting unnecessarily demoralized by putting a midgame burden on this phase's vote, but we are down few enough players (zero) that it's like D1

Yeah true, so if both of you are town than it’s like most towngames except with with a pretty much blind gladiate.

[Loki Dokie]

Why do you townread Not_Mafia? I don't have anything there

Nothing about his play suggested any kind of agenda whatsoever and it’s pretty damned obvious, that scum would be the only ones totally not playing blind.

[Loki Dokie]

ANNOUNCEMENT: Spoiler: [/spoiler] An ancient evil disguised as an innocent animal has infiltrated the Menagerie. Not only this, they have tempted another with their evil wiles, drawing them to the dark side. Aka: The first mafia member was randomised start of game. Everyone else received a town role PM. The sole mafia then proceeded to recruit their partner from the rest of the players , who was given an updated PM and a link to the factional thread. Outside of this and posting restrictions, this game is confirmed to be all vanilla in terms of power.

This was written in past tense before any of us had yet posted anything for day 1.

Yeah, it says the FIRST mafia member was obviously picked pre-game. Nowhere does it say when the second mafia member was picked prior to gamestart.

I'm just not reading the same text you're reading and I'm not sure how to break it down further.

It doesn’t specifically state that the second mafia was recruited before gamestart but I can see that I might have read that wrong. Where is that Drusilla post where she is doubting this because I couldn’t find it?

[Loki Dokie]

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Votecount 1.0

[9] Not Voting:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, Kanna, Ydrasse, PlusJOYED, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

@Moderator: Can you clarify how many living mafia there were at the time when this post was made, if that information was supposed to be clear and public?

I read that as they’re will be two before deadline and very likely well before that but I wasn’t sure when the actual recruitment happened but now I think I did read it wrong. If so, that might explain why nothing was really making sense.

[Loki Dokie]

Yeah true, so if both of you are town than it’s like most towngames except with with a pretty much blind gladiate.

We actually have quite a bit of information to work with.

I think the solve will go much smoother if we involve everyone else and do not allow the game to become tunnel-visioned on just myself and Isis, if we are truly T-T then this will get very messy in the later days if we don't get some idea of where people stand.

Specifically:

1st VC:

[5] PookyTheMagicalBear: drusilla, Isis, Kanna, Loki Dokie, Not_Mafia

I've heard from Dru/Isis, want to hear from Kanna, Loki, NM

I think Kanna mentioned something about thinking that I was likely to be recruited - do you have reasoning beyond that?

2nd VC:

[5] Isis: Tayl0r Swift, PookyTheMagicalBear, PlusJOYED, Kanna, Ydrasse

Would like to hear from TS, Kanna, Ydra on why Isis instead of PJ.

I already explained my vote. You had posts that looked like contradictions, plus your “roar” post about scum choosing the condemned, plus I townread Dru and was basically hoping she had a clue as to what was going on and sheeped her. Had I voted on D2, I would probably have voted PlusJOYED.

[Loki Dokie]

wait, don't maf recruit only after the first condemnation?

mafia choose before the game started

ill townbin this

ill townbin this

eh. i really dislike this kind of thing because i've seen a lot of players as mafia use it to manipulate. it's null at best i think.

@Isis, she’s referring to plusJOYED here not me.

[Loki Dokie]

idk how I messed up the timelines and poster identity but on review plusJOYED's "townslip" doesn't look as sturdy as Loki's (although since it doesn't look clearly and obviously fake and posts from a frame of reference that's missing knowledge scum would have, it is therefore still +town)
Loki more descriptively described an entire day 1 thought process

Also plusJOYED seems like an alt that might be considerably experienced, Loki Dokie is a player with extremely sporadic activity since joining last year, and the former is more likely to be aware of the science of manufacturing townslips

I don’t necessarily see that experience should be a particularly significant factor. Why couldn’t an experienced player have misread it? It wasn’t made clear, I think that much is obvious, so maybe plusJOYED is actually town then?

[Loki Dokie]

idk how I messed up the timelines and poster identity but on review plusJOYED's "townslip" doesn't look as sturdy as Loki's (although since it doesn't look clearly and obviously fake and posts from a frame of reference that's missing knowledge scum would have, it is therefore still +town)
Loki more descriptively described an entire day 1 thought process

Also plusJOYED seems like an alt that might be considerably experienced, Loki Dokie is a player with extremely sporadic activity since joining last year, and the former is more likely to be aware of the science of manufacturing townslips

I don’t necessarily see that experience should be a particularly significant factor. Why couldn’t an experienced player have misread it? It wasn’t made clear, I think that much is obvious, so maybe plusJOYED is actually town then?

both of you could have misread it. only one of you could have thought that it'd be a great idea to pretend to misread it because it would falsely prove you are town, the one with more experience

Or maybe both of us just misread it? I see your point but I stand by the experience thing not necessarily being relevant because newb scum could presumably have a buddy who could coach them. I was in a game once where scum did not realize that there was an SK in the game, despite it being mentioned right there in the setup. I honestly think the best way to parse it, is to understand the actual thought process behind it. That is not easily fakable.

[Loki Dokie]

PlusJOYED just told us what the fox says. This is amazing

[Loki Dokie]

i honestly thought everyone was just making random noise and had no idea people were making code words

okay, i’m headed into work but i was ruminating a bit on what i read last night and...

i don’t know if i believe you on this; i know you’ve played some and i know you know the basics of mafia. in what world do you think that people are playing this game, a game based around communication, just posting random stuff?

i can understand apathy to some extent because like, yeah it wore personally on me, but saying you thought that it was random noise doesn’t make sense to me at all.

If plusJOYED isn't an alt they are both pretty townbinnable
I think it takes a while before people get into the corrupt business of manufactured townslips

It doesn’t really matter if plusJOYED is an alt or not. I think Ydrasse’s way of looking at this is far more useful.

[Loki Dokie]

i honestly thought everyone was just making random noise and had no idea people were making code words

okay, i’m headed into work but i was ruminating a bit on what i read last night and...

i don’t know if i believe you on this; i know you’ve played some and i know you know the basics of mafia. in what world do you think that people are playing this game, a game based around communication, just posting random stuff?

i can understand apathy to some extent because like, yeah it wore personally on me, but saying you thought that it was random noise doesn’t make sense to me at all.

I stated before, I thought making up any kind of code for the sounds was qgainst the rules.

When I was the horse, I didn’t know if anyone cohld figure our the different horse sounds or not. “Neigh” is based off of tone and other things that can’t really be accurately interpreted in an online format without a code. Cheetah otoh, obviously doesn’t need one.

[Loki Dokie]

Loki I think we are talking past each other a lot

I’m just kind of frustrated that you are placing so much emphasis on the experience aspect of it, rather than looking at motivations and what makes sense. It pretty much holds no weight for me one way or another how much experience plusJOYED has or whether they’re an alt or not. Are they making sense? Yes or no? Do you find their overall take of the gamestate to be reflective of a townie or scummy mentality? That’s why I think what Ydrasse is doing far more useful.

[Loki Dokie]

I think your interpretation of recruitment made more sense than plusJOYED's, so maybe I should townread you more

I think their overall take of the game state makes me suspicious they are trying to simplify the gladiate where I find the players that want to explore the whole town to seem to have a more organic townie response to the phase.

i do want to simplify the gladiate

And if they both flip town how does that help us? Isis is definitely right about this, so yeah this does concern me a bit. How do you know we won’t be post-restricted again after this? Now is the time when we know for certain we can use actual words, to try to figure out the entire playerlist. How do you even propose we “simplify” the gladiate without doing this?

[Loki Dokie]

hi, i'm here and am going to read now and post some Things, but i wanna get my tinfoil of the setup out rn:

i think it is a pawsibbility that we have to go through our nom stages with post restrictions and then get to talk about them after?

i mean, the cat IS out of the bag (please laugh) now but i'm unsure how else the mechanic would tie in as we go forward.

+1

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. I like how you’re focused on the larger picture.

[Loki Dokie]

Woof Low Moo

You’re actually allowed to talk now.

[Loki Dokie]

hi, i'm here and am going to read now and post some Things, but i wanna get my tinfoil of the setup out rn:

i think it is a pawsibbility that we have to go through our nom stages with post restrictions and then get to talk about them after?

i mean, the cat IS out of the bag (please laugh) now but i'm unsure how else the mechanic would tie in as we go forward.

I think we should do our best to communicate now and lay out how the POE will move forward - there's no guarantee we will get another chance to talk in the rest of the game.

I think both you and Isis are town, which is sad because it means we have a likely misexecute.

PlusJOYEd seems to be the only one who isn’t approaching this in way that’s optimal. How do they think Drusilla was not clearly trying to communicate something? How does anyone read her ISO and seriously think she was just making random sounds? I mean those links were anything but random.

[Loki Dokie]

I am excited if I will get to make more animal noises

If we just get two, will those just repeat? I probably got horse because there’s already an elephant? Well, if I get to be a horse again, I hope a get a chance to post a beating a dead horse gif.

[Loki Dokie]

can you explain why?

PoE
Loki: townslip
drusilla: assumed in the question as stated
Pooky: assumed in the question as stated
Ydrasse: would've recruited me or you as scum, could still be a recruit but that's -50%
Isis: that's me
plus: townslipz
Tayl0r: I still think being annoying during post restriction and her flippant attitude now is townish
Kanna: PoE'd

didn't you say your TR'd taylor more than me regarding anime avatar and SR'd me? It looks a lot like you're just scum trying to AtE from my pov

Where did Isis AtE?

[Loki Dokie]

ill townbin this

eh. i really dislike this kind of thing because i've seen a lot of players as mafia use it to manipulate. it's null at best i think.

I dislike that drusilla didn't just issue you a townread the way Pooky and I did.

It's a little of BoPish of me to do so though.

i just don't see how this makes plusjoyed town. here's eve doing more or less the same thing as mafia:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11751833

like 'oh i didn't read the mod posts so i'm town' seems super easy to do to me.

Subject: Micro 934 | Hungarian Music 2 | Over

oh it's an open setup lol

i was wondering why shiki was crumbing bodyguard while i was one too

Like maybe this post?

[Loki Dokie]

ill townbin this

eh. i really dislike this kind of thing because i've seen a lot of players as mafia use it to manipulate. it's null at best i think.

I dislike that drusilla didn't just issue you a townread the way Pooky and I did.

It's a little of BoPish of me to do so though.

this sucks I think I might have gotten the scum in Dru/Isis wrong >.>

Dru referenced a comparible game where scum!Eve played similarly and you do realize here, don’t you that Isis mistakenly thought she was referring to me not plusJOYED. If you take that into account then why do you find that necessarily scummy?

[Loki Dokie]

ill townbin this

eh. i really dislike this kind of thing because i've seen a lot of players as mafia use it to manipulate. it's null at best i think.

I dislike that drusilla didn't just issue you a townread the way Pooky and I did.

It's a little of BoPish of me to do so though.

this sucks I think I might have gotten the scum in Dru/Isis wrong >.>

Dru referenced a comparible game where scum!Eve played similarly and you do realize here, don’t you that Isis mistakenly thought she was referring to me not plusJOYED. If you take that into account then why do you find that necessarily scummy?

I should have asked you if this is your current assessment of this series of posts, because I mistakenly took it out of order.

[Loki Dokie]

so in day 1.1 we selected pooky but then we also selected me (there was one vote on me and then the phase ended). afaik nothing happened to me. does anyone have an explanation for what happened there?

taylor swift was helpful to town in a recent marathon game.

I’m curious to know what her current reads are, because so far she hasn’t really given any yet.

[Loki Dokie]

ok can you explain why that is? What was there to communicate about that I didn't do?

who to vote for? for instance. if you care about the lack of consensus votes helping to develop a consensus seems the correct course of action. do you not think anyone was trying to communicate about the game?

I did wonder about why he was making an issue of people not voting because I had no idea who to vote for. I was aware of the deadline but I think you, Kanna and Ydrasse we’re probably the only ones who seemed to be trying to make reads.

[Loki Dokie]

I think there are two ways to approach the gladiate. Try to determine as best we can which of either is more likely to be scum or if we think they both could possibly be town, attempt to then determine, which one is more likely to become potential misexecute bait later on and possibly cost us the game with their misexecute.

I’m not currently scumreading either but I disagree with Kanna in that I find Isis to be a little townier but this could also be based on playstyle. I think if Pooky plays similarly in the next post-restricted phase, should there be one, he might be in this situation again, so I’d like to see some more awareness on his part about how he was perceived and why.

@Pooky, do you understand why Drusilla scumread you on D1? I suppose I should also ask Isis about why she thinks she was condemned on D2,

Basically, both of you were condemned for a reason. You both were preceived to have played the scummiest from most of the playerlist on the different respective days, irrespective of your actual alignments. So understanding of how and why you both found yourselves that situation, and thoughts about how you might handle things differently should we have another post-restrictive phase would be extremely helpful. Simply assuming whosever pushing or doubting you to be scum isn’t helping either of you but clearly understanding how your posting contributed to you getting condemned and how you would proceed differently are probably the most helpful things either of you can do, to help us sort you your play here, either as possible alignment or potential misexecutebait. Because if neither of you do that, I’m afraid who ever survives the gladiate might be re-condemned for pretty much the same reasons.

[Loki Dokie]

@Pooky, do you understand why Drusilla scumread you on D1?

yes she scum-read me for posting some cute tiger gifs on the first day the thread opened and for posting something about the deadline/people not voting sometime later that day.

I clearly should've just done what most other people did and post no comments at all. That's clearly the best way to play this game

Do you not perceive the disparity in that? Posting cute gifs and not trying to make reads yet being extremely concerned about the voting? If all you’re doing is posting cute gifs it doesn’t help anyone trying to figure out who to vote for. So it’s it’s the combination of those two things combined, not either one separately. For me, why did you vote me for first changing my vote from Tayl0r to you? And then when I asked you about two posts that I rightly or wrongly perceived as contradictory, you just roared at me and wouldn’t answer me. Couldn’t you tell I was trying to sort you?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

VC on this page.

[4] Not Voting: Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla

[5] Not Voting: Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

[4] Not Voting: Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

[4] Not Voting: Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

[2] Not Voting: Lokie Dokie, Kanna

VOTE: tayl0r Swift

VOTE: Pooky the magical bear

GRRR! RAWWWR!

I thought this post was pretty clear - I was trying to communicate that I thought you were mafia jumping on lowhanging fruit because you vote-switched from Taylor to me within 9 posts.

And my subsequent “why” posts which I repeated about three times didn’t cause you to rethink that at all?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

I think there are two ways to approach the gladiate. Try to determine as best we can which of either is more likely to be scum or if we think they both could possibly be town, attempt to then determine, which one is more likely to become potential misexecute bait later on and possibly cost us the game with their misexecute.

I’m not currently scumreading either but I disagree with Kanna in that I find Isis to be a little townier but this could also be based on playstyle. I think if Pooky plays similarly in the next post-restricted phase, should there be one, he might be in this situation again, so I’d like to see some more awareness on his part about how he was perceived and why.

@Pooky, do you understand why Drusilla scumread you on D1? I suppose I should also ask Isis about why she thinks she was condemned on D2,

Basically, both of you were condemned for a reason. You both were preceived to have played the scummiest from most of the playerlist on the different respective days, irrespective of your actual alignments. So understanding of how and why you both found yourselves that situation, and thoughts about how you might handle things differently should we have another post-restrictive phase would be extremely helpful. Simply assuming whosever pushing or doubting you to be scum isn’t helping either of you but clearly understanding how your posting contributed to you getting condemned and how you would proceed differently are probably the most helpful things either of you can do, to help us sort you your play here, either as possible alignment or potential misexecutebait. Because if neither of you do that, I’m afraid who ever survives the gladiate might be re-condemned for pretty much the same reasons.

This is a good post


I think when making reads is difficult, proxy voting with a townread is a strong strategy that just so happens to mimic a powerful scum strategy (with one errant townie you create this pseudoscumteam of 3 players instead of 2 that votes way better). So it makes sense that I got scumread. I was accepting that risk.

If I'm actually selected and people will townlock drusilla after, I'm similarly content. I think drusilla is town here. Her mindset for phase two was similar to mine and she's not using any means of simplifying her argument with Pooky to make it easier for her, she's kind of taking the argument the hard way because she cares so much about the core points.

I would be sad to be wrong on this read. Trying to read shiki is fun

I agree, it looks likes she’s sincerely trying to solve Pooky. Ydrasse is also a strong townread. What about your Kanna read, you don’t think she’s honestly trying to sort you? While I didn’t agree with her, I didn’t find what she was doing is scummy. I like how she’s engaging with Drusilla.

[Loki Dokie]

I feel worried Pooky cares about winning an argument more than being town in the argument if that makes sense, its somewhat mafia indicative

Some of his earlier play has seemed town indicative though.

It feels wonky trying to decide how I'm grading with the context of the gladiator, maybe it's better to try to always think with the assumption I lost and "play from there"

I'm not trying to win an argument versus Dru - it's not like she get get elim'd today. I'm planning how the game will go on from here assuming I get Elim'd today. I think her push on me was terrible and I need people to see that so she doesn't just do it again to someone else and I need to sort her slot so I know whether to recommend her elim on the following day.

Why is it “terrible”? And even if you disagree with it, why does that make her scum as opposed to just wrong? I think she’s waiting for the same thing I am, for you to acknowledge that it’s not illogical for her to question the disparity between posting cute gifs and being more concerned about the votes than anyone else. It’s kind of frustrating to me that you can’t even see her point. If you did but maintain she’s wrong to scumread you, I’d feel better but you’re responding as if her reasoning makes no sense, when it clearly does. It obviously doesn’t mean she’s necessarily right but her reasoning is valid and reads town indicative to me.

[Loki Dokie]

I like Kanna

What made you change your read on her?

[Loki Dokie]

I did rethink that. that's why I didn't vote for you in the second Condemn phase...

When did you change your opinion because it might have possibly changed my vote had you responded to my “why” question on D1.

[Loki Dokie]

i think it's still right to consider pooky town for the second condemn phase because if he was, we would have a better chance pulling down scum if we went with what he wantedyet if he was scum, he would pull us town but we would already have one scum caught

a lot of this is why i attempted to ask him 'where do we go from here?' which was apparently lost in animal sounds.

and it certainly doesnt make sense to lynch 2 people on d1 with full post restrictions in place imo. I find it very susp that both you and drusilla are now saying that you thought the game mechanics are that way.

i find it suspicious that you apparently knew the post restrictions would be fully lifted.

also the first part of this^ and then saying she didn't consider pooky town. it's unrealistic she thought of this theory, went halfwayish and then didn't come to the same conclusion

@Hectic - Do the Mafia know the format of the game and whether post restrictions would be lifted?

The mafia knows as much about the setup as the town does.

Doesn’t this point to her likely being town though? because this post clearly shows that when it comes to the setup, scum are as much in the dark as town.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

i think it's still right to consider pooky town for the second condemn phase because if he was, we would have a better chance pulling down scum if we went with what he wantedyet if he was scum, he would pull us town but we would already have one scum caught

a lot of this is why i attempted to ask him 'where do we go from here?' which was apparently lost in animal sounds.

and it certainly doesnt make sense to lynch 2 people on d1 with full post restrictions in place imo. I find it very susp that both you and drusilla are now saying that you thought the game mechanics are that way.

i find it suspicious that you apparently knew the post restrictions would be fully lifted.

also the first part of this^ and then saying she didn't consider pooky town. it's unrealistic she thought of this theory, went halfwayish and then didn't come to the same conclusion

@Hectic - Do the Mafia know the format of the game and whether post restrictions would be lifted?

The mafia knows as much about the setup as the town does.

Doesn’t this point to her likely being town though? because this post clearly shows that when it comes to the setup, scum are as much in the dark as town.

Iow, she accused Pooky of having a TMI on the setup but 633 proves that scum actually don’t have such a TMI. Iow, this looks like a possible anti-TMI slip to me.

Wrt to her confidence Pooky scum, I’d probably be preferring to look at other slots that are either pinging me more, plusJOYED or slots that aren’t really doing anything to help decide on this gladiate, Tayl0r Swift. But we don’t have that option and I lean to them more likely being T/T than anything else right now, so unless I get convinced otherwise, I will probably be basing my vote on potential misexecutebait equity, because a no execute isn’t a possibility right?

[Loki Dokie]

I don't understand what 857 is saying for what's it's worth

I’m not sure but I find it odd that scum!Dru would make 484. Accusing anyone of having a TMI on the setup is likely more town indicative than not because scum!Dru would obviously know that Pooky couldn’t possibly have TMI’d with that, so why accuse him of something that the mod can verify to be false?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

i think it's still right to consider pooky town for the second condemn phase because if he was, we would have a better chance pulling down scum if we went with what he wantedyet if he was scum, he would pull us town but we would already have one scum caught

a lot of this is why i attempted to ask him 'where do we go from here?' which was apparently lost in animal sounds.

and it certainly doesnt make sense to lynch 2 people on d1 with full post restrictions in place imo. I find it very susp that both you and drusilla are now saying that you thought the game mechanics are that way.

i find it suspicious that you apparently knew the post restrictions would be fully lifted.

also the first part of this^ and then saying she didn't consider pooky town. it's unrealistic she thought of this theory, went halfwayish and then didn't come to the same conclusion

@Hectic - Do the Mafia know the format of the game and whether post restrictions would be lifted?

The mafia knows as much about the setup as the town does.

Doesn’t this point to her likely being town though? because this post clearly shows that when it comes to the setup, scum are as much in the dark as town.

Iow, she accused Pooky of having a TMI on the setup but 633 proves that scum actually don’t have such a TMI. Iow, this looks like a possible anti-TMI slip to me.

Wrt to her confidence Pooky scum, I’d probably be preferring to look at other slots that are either pinging me more, plusJOYED or slots that aren’t really doing anything to help decide on this gladiate, Tayl0r Swift. But we don’t have that option and I lean to them more likely being T/T than anything else right now, so unless I get convinced otherwise, I will probably be basing my vote on potential misexecutebait equity, because a no execute isn’t a possibility right?

I mean you/Pooky.

[Loki Dokie]

There's no no-execute.

Are you saying Kanna is scummy for not realizing that dru is townier because dru mistakenly thought scum knew extra about the setup, and if dru was scum she would know that extra information doesn't exist?

That is such a complicated sentence to write.

Pedit: seems to be what you're saying

No, where are you getting that I think Kanna is being scummy? I’m pointing out that she probably hasn’t taken the mod’s post into account before she wrote that, is my take on it.

[Loki Dokie]

the tmi thing is also relatively nai, just saying. dru/isis are all good players and i think the best way to catch them out is finding what their motivation is

i think drusilla's motivation today has clearly been to advocate for a pooky elim and looking at the reasons, i find them p shaky. she's better than this. which means it's possible she's covering for isis so we should GO ISIS

Well I know that I definitely did not say anything in my post to suggest you were being scummy, so it’s kind of concerning to me how Isis arrived at that conclusion. It could be NAI. I just think it sounded like scum!Dru wouldn’t accuse Pooky of something that the mod could literally verify wasn’t a thing, so it just really didn’t make sense to me why scum!Dru accuses Pooky of having a TMI on the setup if she knew that wasn’t possible but I suppose it’s possible? But I lean towards it being an anti-TMI slip.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

i think it's still right to consider pooky town for the second condemn phase because if he was, we would have a better chance pulling down scum if we went with what he wantedyet if he was scum, he would pull us town but we would already have one scum caught

a lot of this is why i attempted to ask him 'where do we go from here?' which was apparently lost in animal sounds.

and it certainly doesnt make sense to lynch 2 people on d1 with full post restrictions in place imo. I find it very susp that both you and drusilla are now saying that you thought the game mechanics are that way.

i find it suspicious that you apparently knew the post restrictions would be fully lifted.

also the first part of this^ and then saying she didn't consider pooky town. it's unrealistic she thought of this theory, went halfwayish and then didn't come to the same conclusion

@Hectic - Do the Mafia know the format of the game and whether post restrictions would be lifted?

The mafia knows as much about the setup as the town does.

Doesn’t this point to her likely being town though? because this post clearly shows that when it comes to the setup, scum are as much in the dark as town.

Iow, she accused Pooky of having a TMI on the setup but 633 proves that scum actually don’t have such a TMI. Iow, this looks like a possible anti-TMI slip to me.

Wrt to her confidence Pooky scum, I’d probably be preferring to look at other slots that are either pinging me more, plusJOYED or slots that aren’t really doing anything to help decide on this gladiate, Tayl0r Swift. But we don’t have that option and I lean to them more likely being T/T than anything else right now, so unless I get convinced otherwise, I will probably be basing my vote on potential misexecutebait equity, because a no execute isn’t a possibility right?

I mean you/Pooky.

@Isis, where do I even mention Kanna here?

[Loki Dokie]

drusilla is dropping for me because (soulread) i don't think she would be this confident in something based on this shaky evidence. shiki is so smart, she should be highly bopped. if things she's saying doesn't add up to us, she's probably just scum

i don't have any sort of experience playing w drusilla so i can't speak to the bop thing but the confidence that she's shown thus far has been offputting to me. i don't have a great amount of confidence in anyone anymore and seeing someone exhibit it feels weird because i can't make myself believe in anything that hard this game.

i'm struggling to figure out how to phrase it but it feels like drusilla has already made up her mind, to some degree, and is instead going through the motions of acting out a way to reach the conclusion she already has? which feels worse than the confidence part because that is maybe just game experience?

Yes, she ought to be considering the possibility that Pooky could also be town doing what he did. Nothing she’s arguing confiscums Pooky but if she’s that confident, wouldn’t she have already voted him? I’m more concerned with plusJOYED’s vote on Isis and his reasons for that. It didn’t even make any sense to me, because at least I can understand Dru’s reasoning even if I don’t necessarily agree with her conclusions.

[Loki Dokie]

oh, huh.

i guess i'll keep that in mind. honestly i think a lot of people just wanna be right regardless b/c of pride but it makes sense that it's probably... easier to be right?

with a lot of tells you have to modify the confidence level based on personality. Individual users that project Survivor tell as VT are a pain where you have to rely on associative reads instead, or lack of content.

if someone had a track record for always wanting to be right you would have to dampen the tell as applied to that person but like if you base it on the average person in average conditions it works
I don't know of Pooky being excessively preoccupied with being right

I still lean T/T, so that’s really frustrating for me. Which slot I’m townleaning should we kill off? :/

[Loki Dokie]

oh, huh.

i guess i'll keep that in mind. honestly i think a lot of people just wanna be right regardless b/c of pride but it makes sense that it's probably... easier to be right?

with a lot of tells you have to modify the confidence level based on personality. Individual users that project Survivor tell as VT are a pain where you have to rely on associative reads instead, or lack of content.

if someone had a track record for always wanting to be right you would have to dampen the tell as applied to that person but like if you base it on the average person in average conditions it works
I don't know of Pooky being excessively preoccupied with being right

I still lean T/T, so that’s really frustrating for me. Which slot I’m townleaning should we kill off? :/

This situation would be far less likely in a more traditional game, because I kind of doubt we’d be voting either Pooky or Isis today in that case, so this is kind of whack.

[Loki Dokie]

Loki Doki are you saying you think drusilla/Pooky is T/T or Isis/Pooky is T/T

I was referring to you and Pooky. Based on the methods we had to arrive at those conclusions, it would surprise me if we actually got a scumflip out of this gladiate. Wrt to Dru, I lean tunnelled over scum but we’ll see if she reconsiders her case more. I’m not convinced she’s being scummy here.

I also not sure if I completely agree with your town/scum need to be right thing but I might be biased because I am sometimes prone to deathtunnel as town.

I think you both sound tonally townie to me. I’m strongly town tonereading Ydrasse and especially Kanna right now.

I think I’ve made it pretty clear who I’m currently most suspicious of. Idk, I don’t think Dru sounds scummy but less confident on that now.

[Loki Dokie]

it is fascinating that the two players everyone agrees are the most recruitable are precisely the ones that got gladiated. I guess everyone agrees recruiting would mostly be conducted in an unwise fashion

Well the recruiting theory is based off of the initial mafia being very familiar with the playerlist. Is that true for everyone in this game, because if not, then it may be misleading?

[Loki Dokie]

Basically, I’m currently leaning on Dru being wrong on Pooky but not scum and thinking scum is probably pushing Isis. Tayl0r claims she was being random but it really looked to me on D1 like she was growling at anyone who liked Isis and plusJOYED’s push on Isis makes absolutely no sense to me. Neither of his reads on either Pooky or Isis seem to be beyond surface level.

[Loki Dokie]

It's just a funny coincidence. Taylor Swift doesn't know anybody. I don't know how much you know anybody. Not_Mafia has enough site presence that he ought to know everybody, I think. PlusJOYED I presumed hadn't played much since his recentish joined date since I haven't noticed much of him but Kanna snapped at me that Ydrasse knows more people this game than she does so I figured PlusJOYED must have played with Ydrasse so that comment can make sense?

When I say "knows everybody" I'm kind of exempting Tayl0r who just joined the site and you who I think was fully inactive before this game started.

The general notion that if it feels like the Pooky/Isis gladiate is TvT then it's doubled probability to be one of the players unfamiliar with other players seems like, not an illogical tilt.


I idly wonder whether Not_Mafia never recruits me here because I don't prefer his playstyle or always recruits me here because I don't prefer his playstyle. He was a pretty cooperative scumpartner the time I rolled scum with him but on the other hand I've been on record saying I think playing the way he does makes mafia less fun for me, so I wish he wouldn't.

Not_Mafia who would you recruit if you rolled scum this game?

While the conventional wisdom is that scum would pick what would seem like more obvious choices, why couldn’t the opposite also be possible, if not probable? So we’re essentially focusing on who is the most logical recruits based on whom would be most likely to recruit whom but what if whosever’s scum here either isn’t that familiar with the playerlist or maybe is but deliberately selected a partner that no one would expect? Because my reads seem to be pointing that way.

[Loki Dokie]

can you explain why?

PoE
Loki: townslip
drusilla: assumed in the question as stated
Pooky: assumed in the question as stated
Ydrasse: would've recruited me or you as scum, could still be a recruit but that's -50%
Isis: that's me
plus: townslipz
Tayl0r: I still think being annoying during post restriction and her flippant attitude now is townish
Kanna: PoE'd

didn't you say your TR'd taylor more than me regarding anime avatar and SR'd me?

It looks a lot like you're just scum trying to AtE from my pov

I’m still waiting for plusJOYED to explain where in this post this AtE occurred?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

my vote was essentially random

. i did not have a good grasp on the game but didnt think there would be significant implications for the post-restriction stage of the game. i did assume there would be some mechanic for letting at least some players post, and wanted to get to that stage as quickly as possible. dunno why everyone sheeped me, but i had no real reason to unvote.

[Loki Dokie]

It's just a funny coincidence. Taylor Swift doesn't know anybody. I don't know how much you know anybody. Not_Mafia has enough site presence that he ought to know everybody, I think. PlusJOYED I presumed hadn't played much since his recentish joined date since I haven't noticed much of him but Kanna snapped at me that Ydrasse knows more people this game than she does so I figured PlusJOYED must have played with Ydrasse so that comment can make sense?

When I say "knows everybody" I'm kind of exempting Tayl0r who just joined the site and you who I think was fully inactive before this game started.

The general notion that if it feels like the Pooky/Isis gladiate is TvT then it's doubled probability to be one of the players unfamiliar with other players seems like, not an illogical tilt.


I idly wonder whether Not_Mafia never recruits me here because I don't prefer his playstyle or always recruits me here because I don't prefer his playstyle. He was a pretty cooperative scumpartner the time I rolled scum with him but on the other hand I've been on record saying I think playing the way he does makes mafia less fun for me, so I wish he wouldn't.

Not_Mafia who would you recruit if you rolled scum this game?

While the conventional wisdom is that scum would pick what would seem like more obvious choices, why couldn’t the opposite also be possible, if not probable? So we’re essentially focusing on who is the most logical recruits based on whom would be most likely to recruit whom but what if whosever’s scum here either isn’t that familiar with the playerlist or maybe is but deliberately selected a partner that no one would expect? Because my reads seem to be pointing that way.

When you say your reads are pointing that way, who are your top scumreads?

I think everyone could be scum so it could maybe be harmful to stay on the recruitment guessing topic too long.

I think I’ve made that pretty clear. I mean that based on my reads, the whole recruitment theory doesn’t really seem to fit.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

my vote was essentially random

. i did not have a good grasp on the game but didnt think there would be significant implications for the post-restriction stage of the game. i did assume there would be some mechanic for letting at least some players post, and wanted to get to that stage as quickly as possible. dunno why everyone sheeped me, but i had no real reason to unvote.

102
purr

Purrrrr

Why would Tayl0r want us to think Isis is scum and bark at me for liking his post to me and now say it was completely “random”?

[Loki Dokie]

As the tiger and cheetah stare each other down, a faint growl emanates through and pierces the tense silence. The tiger frowns and after giving the cheetah one more look of disapproval, turns away to investigate the sound. He soon finds the source of it. Spoiler: [/spoiler] This Milktank looks like he means business. He uses a Defence Curl , seemingly readying himself for the tiger's attack. The Tiger ROARS , hoping to lower Miltank's defence. Little does he know, the Milktank has plans of his own. The Milktank uses what looks like the start of a Tackle , and the tiger begins to roll his eyes, but midway through, it quickly transitions into a Meteor Assault . Spoiler: [/spoiler] The tiger is launched far into the air and is sent straight down into a large cage lying in the centre of the Menagerie. The tiger is trapped, and has been condemned.

¶

Votecount 1.7

[5] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla, Isis, Kanna, Loki Dokie, Not_Mafia

HAMMER

[1] PlusJOYED:

Ydrasse

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

PlusJOYED

[1] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Loki Dokie:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0] Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

Spoiler: [/spoiler] The dragon swishes through the air, showing off her fantastic wings. She is completely unaware of what is to come. The elephant, dolphin, rat, snow leopard, and cat all look at each other solemnly and nod. Without warning, the elephant TOOTS his horn, giving the signal to the snow leopard to leap gracefully into the sky. The cat riding the snow leopard's back launches herself off as the leopard reaches the peak of her jump, closing the gap further between herself and the dragon. As the cat hits even greater heights, finally, the rat springs off her back, and makes a perfect landing onto the dragon's back. The dragon RUMBLES in rage, but it is too late. The rat scampers straight into her ear, and sends her into a panic. The dolphin clicks and she plummets towards the sound in confusion and crashes straight into the pool of water inside the cage. The cage locks shut, sealing her in, as the rat quickly and stealthily makes his escape, easily fitting inbetween the bars. Operation Dunk the Dragon was successful, and Miso the Dragon has been condemned. Spoiler: [/spoiler]

¶

Votecount 1.12

[5] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift, PookyTheMagicalBear, PlusJOYED, Kanna, Ydrasse

HAMMER

[2] PlusJOYED:

Isis, drusilla

[2] Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-16 07:18:42).

[Loki Dokie]

i was barking because there was a cat. that is all.

ive told you not to read into my messages.

Is that why you also barked at me for liking Isis’ post?

[Loki Dokie]

also i realize i havent been very active in this game. im sorry. ill try to step it up over the weekend

That would be very helpful, because everyone could say that, no? About not reading into one’s posts but seeing some actual attempts to sort would give me something else to parse you by.

[Loki Dokie]

so mechanically, it would make no sense to play this out if one of those 2 wasn't scum,

so one of them is probably scum and the other town.

We don’t have a choice and I don’t know why you think there’s a connection? Pooky and Isis are the two condemned slots is all and I agree it makes no sense to do this if both are town but there’s zero connection between the condemned and the gladiate mechanic.

[Loki Dokie]

¶

Votecount 1.15

[1] Isis:

PlusJOYED

[0] PookyTheMagicalBear:

[8] Not Voting:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, Kanna, Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to execute. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to execute.
The deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-20 19:59:58).

Joint Mod ISO.

Hey guys, what are we going to do if I’m right - which I think I am - on both Pooky/Isis being town? Like how do we even decide this?

Few things less fun then deciding which probable townie to whack. If there was ever a good time for a no execurz, this would obviously be it but unfortunately that isn’t an option.:/

[Loki Dokie]

i think 899 is interesting though and it reminded me of CoC where i remember there being a specific comment i thought "wow shiki is so savage" but she was trying to distance from her scumbuddy

so i'm wondering if this is +drusilla/pooky instead because i still think dru is scum

Kanna’s definitely town, so we learned something useful from this phase.

[Loki Dokie]

i also feel like plus/taylor have possibly dumbtold and there's a lot of dumbtelling that i don't believe all of it is legit. but that's something else

Because she voted Isis for posting cat pix? I dunno. I still think Pooky/Isis are T/T but I think Isis towntold with her never execute posts. So, while I still think both are very likely flipping town, Isis’ posts about never executing me/Dru sound really weird if she’s scum. Otoh, Pooky willing to sacrifice himself by volunteering to be executed is also highly town indicative.

So, I disagree with your scumteam theory because I really do think they’re both town.

[Loki Dokie]

¶

Votecount 1.15

[1] Isis:

PlusJOYED

[0] PookyTheMagicalBear:

[8] Not Voting:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, Kanna, Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to execute. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to execute.
The deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-20 19:59:58).

Joint Mod ISO.

Hey guys, what are we going to do if I’m right - which I think I am - on both Pooky/Isis being town? Like how do we even decide this?

Few things less fun then deciding which probable townie to whack. If there was ever a good time for a no execurz, this would obviously be it but unfortunately that isn’t an option.:/

if it's t/t it's kind of tempting to see who the mafia would choose to execute; i don't know if it would be telling, who they chose to kill? that is also a very dumb idea though in the event that it's t/s and we just get an axed townie.

while we have to elim inside of these two, would it be for the best to look outside of those two for a bit and see who is both scummy and could be paired together with isis/pooky? i don't know if this is the right way to use this term but looking for the highest scum equity with non-nommed people would give us the best odds, yeah?

Yeah but the deadline is soon approaching, so we still need to be cognizant of that. I feel a little more confidence on Isis town because she is doing more sorting. So, while I will be very surprised if Pooky flips scum, I will even be more shocked if Isis does.

[Loki Dokie]

As the tiger and cheetah stare each other down, a faint growl emanates through and pierces the tense silence. The tiger frowns and after giving the cheetah one more look of disapproval, turns away to investigate the sound. He soon finds the source of it. Spoiler: [/spoiler] This Milktank looks like he means business. He uses a Defence Curl , seemingly readying himself for the tiger's attack. The Tiger ROARS , hoping to lower Miltank's defence. Little does he know, the Milktank has plans of his own. The Milktank uses what looks like the start of a Tackle , and the tiger begins to roll his eyes, but midway through, it quickly transitions into a Meteor Assault . Spoiler: [/spoiler] The tiger is launched far into the air and is sent straight down into a large cage lying in the centre of the Menagerie. The tiger is trapped, and has been condemned.

¶

Votecount 1.7

[5] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla, Isis

, Kanna, Loki Dokie, Not_Mafia

HAMMER

[1] PlusJOYED:

Ydrasse

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

PlusJOYED

[1] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Loki Dokie:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0] Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

Spoiler: [/spoiler] The dragon swishes through the air, showing off her fantastic wings. She is completely unaware of what is to come. The elephant, dolphin, rat, snow leopard, and cat all look at each other solemnly and nod. Without warning, the elephant TOOTS his horn, giving the signal to the snow leopard to leap gracefully into the sky. The cat riding the snow leopard's back launches herself off as the leopard reaches the peak of her jump, closing the gap further between herself and the dragon. As the cat hits even greater heights, finally, the rat springs off her back, and makes a perfect landing onto the dragon's back. The dragon RUMBLES in rage, but it is too late. The rat scampers straight into her ear, and sends her into a panic. The dolphin clicks and she plummets towards the sound in confusion and crashes straight into the pool of water inside the cage. The cage locks shut, sealing her in, as the rat quickly and stealthily makes his escape, easily fitting inbetween the bars. Operation Dunk the Dragon was successful, and Miso the Dragon has been condemned. Spoiler: [/spoiler]

¶

Votecount 1.12

[5] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift, PookyTheMagicalBear, PlusJOYED, Kanna, Ydrasse

HAMMER

[2] PlusJOYED:

Isis, drusilla

[2] Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-16 07:18:42).

I have a spicy theory that possibly scum set it up that we have to choose between two townies and are trying to position around that.

@Kanna, if you think Dru might be scum here, the VCAs clearly show, she is extremely unlikely to ever be scum with Isis, because they voted together not once but

twice

and scum is extremely unlikely to do that.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

- i think you're giving too much credit to ydrasse for her communications post and linking it to solving the game when it wasn't really that

ah yes so what i said here more or less?:

because ydrasse was trying to communicate about the game or at least to develop a framework for us to communicate about the game within

- the gif shade when communication method is relatively nai. do you really think town are less likely to use gifs? imo, what matters is someone's efforts in getting everyone to understand their specific point

show me pooky making a game relevant point with one of those gifs. saying that my point was town wouldn't use gifs and mafia would is extremely disingenuous at best.

In post 737, drusilla wrote:
make friends make no effort to solve the game make it seem like you care about the game being solved.

- the buddying thing i have mixed feelings about but this goes too hard

okay, so show me pooky doing something other than that before posts 88/89.

- and for this i'm pretty sure he was voting both days, and this is misrep if it was c2 because everyone could see he wanted isis + going unnecessarily hard

this was talking about the first half of the first condemnation.

i think 899 is interesting though and it reminded me of CoC where i remember there being a specific comment i thought "wow shiki is so savage" but she was trying to distance from her scumbuddy

i assume this is referring to my being uncomfortable, but sure i can see how you'd view it that way in retrospect.

I still lean to T/T but if you’re actually right and Pooky does flip scum, then you’re pretty much a townlock, I think.

[Loki Dokie]

this entire line is pure dejavu

kanna says drusilla is mafia because drusilla isn't as good as the fictional version inside kanna's mind take 3

OR

kanna is mafia emulating past behaviours

find out next time on

But she was initially hardpushing Isis and now switched to Pooky, so you’re saying she’s bussing? I actually don’t understand why Isis was the hammer on D2. She wasn’t doing anything remotely scummy.

[Loki Dokie]

OR

drusilla is right and everyone should VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

Well we have to vote for one of them and I feel pretty confident on Isis!town, so I will very likely be voting there.

[Loki Dokie]

But she was initially hardpushing Isis and now switched to Pooky, so you’re saying she’s bussing? I actually don’t understand why Isis was the hammer on D2. She wasn’t doing anything remotely scummy.

i think kanna is more likely wrong about my slot rather than mafia, but those are the only two choices, so. i also didn't think isis should have been condemned, but alas.

kanna switched to pooky because.... she thinks i'm mafia? and partnered with pooky. does this make sense?

Yeah, I agree with this take.

[Loki Dokie]

would you recruit Pooky if you drew mafia, dru?

no, i would have recruited loki dokie because i was upset with myself during signups because i wanted skitter to play so i felt sad when loki got un-wotm-ed and that was like really really unfair of me because i don't know loki dokie.

I’m sorry Skitter didn’t get to play but I don’t think I deserved to be WOTM’d. Hectic made incorrect assumptions about what he said in that post, so that would have been unfair to me since I signed up first.

[Loki Dokie]

I should've asked her to hydra with me but then we'd be even more recruit-bait

Were hydras allowed in this game because yeah it would have been nice if everyone who wanted got to play.

[Loki Dokie]

but if you outed I wouldn't get to play with you

hectic once explained to me that i was depriving people of this by /outing and it is still hard for me to fully understand that some people /do/ want to play with me, especially when i then let those few people down et cetera et cetera but i appreciate the sentiment really truly i just sometimes my brain questions it anyway

I’m sorry Skitter didn’t get to play but I don’t think I deserved to be WOTM’d. Hectic made incorrect assumptions about what he said in that post, so that would have been unfair to me since I signed up first.

nono i was the one being unfair in my feelings and i realized that almost immediately.

Oh okay, np then. I definitely would have preferred Skitter to have played over slots that aren’t pretty much doing anything. I really wish they had some kind of system for that. There are certain players that consistently sign up for games and lurk their way through them and wind up being prodged three times and eventually get replaced.

[Loki Dokie]

would you recruit Pooky if you drew mafia, dru?

no, i would have recruited loki dokie because i was upset with myself during signups because i wanted skitter to play so i felt sad when loki got un-wotm-ed and that was like really really unfair of me because i don't know loki dokie.

I’m sorry Skitter didn’t get to play but I don’t think I deserved to be WOTM’d. Hectic made incorrect assumptions about what he said in that post, so that would have been unfair to me since I signed up first.

Loki Doki that made me look at your iso. Are you an alt?

This post? I had signed up for a couple of games. One was already filled, so I never got added to the playerlist and the other one, I didn’t pick up my role PM in time. It was a misunderstanding that obviously got cleared up.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: ISIS

Are you going to offer up any reasons?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

I'm now on the same page with you on Drusilla.

I believe she is town with an earnest and real belief that I am scum - she did not have to hold her conviction and if anything turning on you in the 1v1 would've actually been better for her position rather than leading the lynch of me instead and insisting that I must be scum.

She could easily have changed her mind when faced with pressure but instead stuck to her beliefs and defended them with a conviction that I do not believe would come from a scum player as it's much easier for them back off.

Following up with a 2nd insistence and casting the first vote on me reinforces that she wants to take responsibility for my elimination despite the distance - she is fine with my blood on her hands because she has courage of belief that she is right and that is something I don't think is easy for scum to fake or a good strategy for her as scum for when I flip town she will be in the POE and in my seat tomorrow.



Of the two townslips on Loki and PlusJoy, which one do you have more confidence in and why? Are they both equally as valid in your opinion given their play so far today?

In my mind PlusJoy seems to be more new than Loki at the game and his town-slip came earlier - but Loki's thoughts are quite transparent - I can follow his thought process and I don't see any agenda there.

Since they both have little history with the rest of the players as far as I can tell - they would not make for likely recruit targets and I would put them at a very unlikely spot to be town.

If we remove these three slots from the POE we are down to:


Ydrasse - Kanna - Not Mafia - Tayl0r Swift

What are your feelings about each of these? Which of them are the two who rank below me in your Readslist and what are the reasons?

Ydrasse, Not Mafia, and Tayl0r Swift rank below you.

Ydrasse - it's more likely to have trouble getting footing in a game as scum compared to town. It feels mean when you have to scumread someone who is struggling if they are actually town, but that's how it is.
N_M - I felt like he didn't meme in any phase of the game as much as he would if town.
Tayl0r - being irritating in condemn phase is very weakly town indicative, I'm underwhelmed now. People have pointed out some possible inconsistency in her condemn phase mind set

I’m sad because I can’t see either of you flipping scum here. :/. And agree with both you on Dru and you on Kanna, so, yeah probably between those three, I lean to Tayl0r over both since she has done nothing town indicative in the non-post-restrictive phase + her doubling and tripling down on the vote you because you’re a cat is anything but random, that and I disagree with you about her sickly dog gifs. Anything that can be seen as remotely weird is more often than not a scum tell.

But the final scum is probably between Ydrasse and NM. So Tayl0r + one of Ydrasse/NM, is my best guess right now.

[Loki Dokie]

I forgot to comment to Pooky about Loki and PLUS, I think Loki is much more townlock than PLUS because he's been consistent and showed his mindset. For example it wigged me out when PLUS said he wants to simplify the gladiator phase but didn't volunteer what is making him feel that way

It would be really ironic if my initial solve was right and it actually was a Tayl0r/plus scumteam and he has stayed voteparked on you so, yeah, definitely be remiss to completely rule that out.

Dru said that town!Tayl0r usually does more than what we’re seeing here and his quick townread of Pooky kind of looked like a possible pocket to me and I don’t know in what world anyone thinks it’s Elo here before we’ve even had a single flip.

[Loki Dokie]

I forgot to comment to Pooky about Loki and PLUS, I think Loki is much more townlock than PLUS because he's been consistent and showed his mindset. For example it wigged me out when PLUS said he wants to simplify the gladiator phase but didn't volunteer what is making him feel that way

It would be really ironic if my initial solve was right and it actually was a Tayl0r/plus scumteam and he has stayed voteparked on you so, yeah, definitely be remiss to completely rule that out.

Dru said that town!Tayl0r usually does more than what we’re seeing here and

plus’

quick townread of Pooky kind of looked like a possible pocket to me and I don’t know in what world anyone thinks it’s Elo here before we’ve even had a single flip.

[Loki Dokie]

If i was the scum here I would have recruited ydrasse and pushed a taylor elim I think

If Plus is scum here, it probably is Tayl0r over Ydrasse.

[Loki Dokie]

If it weren’t for the “town slip”, I would think it was plus/Tayl0r because I’m kind of picking up odd vibes between them but idk. Ever since plus voted you, he hasn’t made any more effort to re-evaluate like say Kanna. I am also really suspicious of that slip being real because of his belief that one of you/Pooky has to be mech scum here. It’s one thing to buy he didn’t know about the recruitment because I missed that too but also thinking one of you/Pooky has to be mech scum, seems really over the top. Like is it possible someone can dumbtell to such an extent sure but it takes quite a leap that it extends as far as it has. I’d still probably go for Tayl0r first if she continues not to do anything. I also don’t see either Ydrasse or NM as having been particularly agenda-y, so make of that what you will.

[Loki Dokie]

She couldn't AtE or she couldn't trick you? I'm a bit confused about what you are saying she couldn't do ?

i think 899 is interesting though and it reminded me of CoC where i remember there being a specific comment i thought "wow shiki is so savage" but she was trying to distance from her scumbuddy

so i'm wondering if this is +drusilla/pooky instead because i still think dru is scum

This is why I don’t think it’s Kanna, plus she really seems to be genuinely trying to solve and Dru also seems to think she’s town.

[Loki Dokie]

so in day 1.1 we selected pooky but then we also selected me (there was one vote on me and then the phase ended). afaik nothing happened to me. does anyone have an explanation for what happened there?

this is what i mean by dumbtelling from taylor btw. it seems v unlikely she thought something would happen to her when she got one vote

Well, I don’t like that she initially said her vote was “random” and later when it was pointed out thatshe never voted for anyone but Isis, it’s because she’s a cat, so NOT random plus she hasn’t made a single read or done any solving since we’ve been allowed to use words.

I like Ydrasse’s tone as well but NM doesn’t really look agenda-y, so I still lean to those two Tayl0r/plus). Another thing, maybe she was really excited to post adorable dog gifs but was unhappy about her alignment so she posted grotesque images instead? The fact is that she has done less solving than anyone else on the playerlist and why would she even think anything would happen to her with one vote? Also that’s not even a dumbtell, at best it’s NAI because of what Hectic posted about scum not knowing the setup. So. I’m not giving anyone any townreads unless they actually do something townie and until/unless she makes some reads, she hasn’t done anything to warrant a townread.

[Loki Dokie]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12098736

Tayl0r Swift towngame. Look at how extremely engaged and solvey she’s being in that game, where she has done absolutely nothing in this one.

[Loki Dokie]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12098736

Tayl0r Swift towngame. Look at how extremely engaged and solvey she’s being in that game, where she has done absolutely nothing in this one.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=34760

Tayl0r Swift super obvtown in this one. Town!Tayl0r does things, she is extremely engaged and blatantly townie as town. I think I’m not wrong here that she got a red role PM in this game. People can make excuses for the post-restrictive stage but here we have a slot, who is playing 100% differently than in her towngames, so I think we’ve caught at least one scum in TS.

[Loki Dokie]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12098736

Tayl0r Swift towngame. Look at how extremely engaged and solvey she’s being in that game, where she has done absolutely nothing in this one.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=34760

Tayl0r Swift super obvtown in this one. Town!Tayl0r does things, she is extremely engaged and blatantly townie as town. I think I’m not wrong here that she got a red role PM in this game. People can make excuses for the post-restrictive stage but here we have a slot, who is playing 100% differently than in her towngames, so I think we’ve caught at least one scum in TS.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12106425

Yet another game with obvtown Tayl0r, she played the exact same way in all of these game but so far, completely different here.

[Loki Dokie]

But these aren't even mafia games. These are Secret Hitler games run in real time during Marathon day. You're not really comparing apples to apples here.

But she’s doing stuff in all of them, so what’s your point? She’s made zero attempt to make reads or anything yet and we’re almost at deadline. I don’t understand why you’re making this distinction?

[Loki Dokie]

her lack of commitment and detachment is very scum-indicative. Mafia usually do feel detached in these nomination scenarios when they do not have anything at stake.

she doesn't have any completed longform mafia games as far as I can tell from looking at her history.

the ones you've listed are real-time ones.

If you believe she is mafia who do you think she recruits or would recruit her?

I think plus seems most likely based on ISOing a few of his games but a lot less sure on that. I’d feel a lot safer executing Tayl0r first just in case I’m wrong on plus but he’s currently my best guess based on my reads of the rest of the playerlist but I think Tayl0r!scum is super obvious. She blatantly contradicted herself which is usually a common scum tell. Her vote was “random”, then it was because Isis was a cat. Those two statements totally contradict each other, because she’s never voted anyone other than Isis and she has not given a single read since the execution phase started.

[Loki Dokie]

her lack of commitment and detachment is very scum-indicative. Mafia usually do feel detached in these nomination scenarios when they do not have anything at stake.

Especially when in those towngames I referenced, she played 180 degrees differently. And think about this, we all choose our respective animals because we actually LIKE those animals and therefore try to find the images we like the most but what does Tayl0r post? diseased sickly dogs. Do you think when she signed up for this game, she was enthusiastic to post those types of grotesque pictures? But she would very likely be upset if she got a red role PM and that very possibly could have affected the images she selected. Kanna managed to find cute bat picks but Tayl0r couldn’t even find one cute doggie?

And her growling and barking at Isis and me for liking one of her posts was strange and then she topped it off by voting for her both days, so hiding behind the Isis is a cat thing, how isn’t that antitown? But had she then not claimed it was “random”, at least it would be consistent but then she claims it wasn’t random, it’s because Isis was a cat. Now, if she was actually doing some solving here, making reads etc., I’d ignore all of the above but we have an important decision to make and Tayl0r apparently has no opinion on it and isn’t even putting a good faith effort in actually trying and when I contrast that with those three games of hers - marathon or not - the difference is clearly striking.

[Loki Dokie]

Plus’ entire progression on Pooky/Isis was really surfacey and I could very possibly see him and Tayl0r as partners but I feel a lot less confident on him than Tayl0r but I townread everyone else more than those two but the difference between this games and other games of plus I ISO’d are far less clear than with Tayl0r. So plus has greater misexecute equity than Tayl0r based off of that.

[Loki Dokie]

I find plus tough, there is a little bit of threads of what feels like possibly genuine paranoia that makes me think maybe town. Aside from the slip or notslip

Yeah, that’s why I’m a lot less sure on him especially after ISOing a few of his games but Tayl0r’s otoh is dramatically different and the so-called “dumbtell” Kanna mentioned was totally NAI because of what Hectic said about scum being as much in the dark as town is. So plus’ could possibly be town indicative if true, where that is clearly not the case for Tayl0r’s. No reason at all, scum couldn’t have made that post, so definitely not a dumbtell in any case.

[Loki Dokie]

my vote was essentially random. i did not have a good grasp on the game but didnt think there would be significant implications for the post-restriction stage of the game. i did assume there would be some mechanic for letting at least some players post, and wanted to get to that stage as quickly as possible. dunno why everyone sheeped me, but i had no real reason to unvote.

so in day 1.1 we selected pooky but then we also selected me (there was one vote on me and then the phase ended). afaik nothing happened to me. does anyone have an explanation for what happened there?

i was barking because there was a cat. that is all.

uh that was some awful formatting on my part
was the largest wagon on a cat?

If she starts actually doing something I’ll reconsider but we are no longer in the post-restriction stage, so I don’t buy her not having any thoughts on either Pooky/Isis or anything else about this game.

[Loki Dokie]

Taylor do you think Loki is scummy?

still catching up but at this point yes very much so.

I can definitely see why you’d think it scummy when I said I’d ignore everything if I actually saw you do something town indicative. Wanting players to actually try to make reads is clearly antitown. Are you trolling?

[Loki Dokie]

okay, i get that. i've not skimmed the marathon ones linked because i don't think i personally could glean anything from something that condensed but i will make do w them

You couldn’t “glean” anything from three ISO links, seriously?

[Loki Dokie]

town: ydrasse, kanna, morning.
scum: loki (isis, drusilla)

Omgus reads, duly noted.

[Loki Dokie]

town: ydrasse, kanna,

morning

.
scum: loki (isis, drusilla)

Omgus reads, duly noted.

Wait, what? You’ve got the back up mod in your readslist? You seriously must think we’re all idiots here.

[Loki Dokie]

Loki doesn't seem as towny when he's being reactive rather than proactive but that's probably situational and I will probably stick with my early read

Tayl0r is scumreading anyone who either isn’t defending her or townreading her, which proves she hasn’t been fully reading my posts or is intentionally misrepping them.

If she was town here, she’d tell me why I’m wrong instead of auto jumping to me scum. She has given me 0 reasons to townread her and she damn well knows it, so this is an extremely poor take on her part regardless of her actual alignment.

[Loki Dokie]

I don't think Ydrasse is town

Reasons? I didn’t interpret her post as her scumreading me but as her trying to nail Tayl0r down on her reads. Did you interpret that differently?

I could see Tayl0r thinking that though because her readslist was based entirely on people read her and not on anything independent of that.

[Loki Dokie]

town: ydrasse, kanna,

morning

.
scum: loki (isis, drusilla)

Aren’t you forgetting a couple of players?

Where is NM, Pooky and plusJOYED on this list but maybe you should add Hectic, he’s 100% lockscum.

[Loki Dokie]

town: ydrasse, kanna,

morning

.
scum: loki (isis, drusilla)

Aren’t you forgetting a FEW players?

Where is NM, Pooky and plusJOYED on this list? but maybe you should add Hectic, he’s 100% lockscum.

[Loki Dokie]

it was just a feel, I see where you're coming from.
she's not playing in a way that's particularly townreadable

Yes and plus didn’t jump on me like that, so that’s a point in his favour. But more importantly, Tayl0r also jumped on you and Dru as well and all Dru did was point out how solvey she was in a previous game and you had even previously been defending her, so it’s pretty damned obvious that she wasn’t being transparent about her real reasons for voting you. Her reaction to my read on her is highly scum indicative.

And Dru is pretty obvtown when you compare her reaction to Kanna scumreading her and Drusilla had actually been doing townie things.

Also Tayl0r claims to love playing scum but where is the evidence that’s she’s ever even been scum? certainly not on this site from what I could tell or I would have also posted some scumgames to contrast with the three towngames I referenced.

[Loki Dokie]

1112 felt like assimilating to a consensus viewpoint without sharing independent reasons for getting there and 1123 without much a preliminary view of Tayl0r struck me like a feigned interest.

Not sure either of those are her most recent post or the one you're referencing

is loki scum independantly of isis/drusilla or if, like, one of them was confirmed scum to you would you still think loki was scum?

I meant this one. Ydrasse is kind of a tough read I think. It’s somewhat hard to tell with her because she asks pretty good questions but I can also see your point if I contrast her posts with Kanna or Dru but it could also possibly be a playstyle thing.

[Loki Dokie]

I agree that dru is obvtown, she's my second highest read

the gladiate situation seemed to have a more townie effect on her play compared to tayl0r I think? And compared to Ydrasse, something about Ydrasse's complain felt off to me, even though there's a pretty wide view that the gladiate is likely TvT

Can you link some Ydrasse town and scum games? “Complaint”? I’m assuming you’re referring to one of those two links you posted, right? I’ll need to re-read.

[Loki Dokie]

hi, uh, haven't felt great so sorry for my absence here.

it's also shitty when i want to vote outside of the current people nommed and i don't have a choice and other than how i suggested some time ago i don't have a good metric to choose which one to vote. and that metric is more subjective to wifom than other ones. so there's that.

i have a hard time reconciling the idea of 'random voting'/gimmick voting when there was some thought put into the game from taylor — they made an assumption about how the game would play out, had an idea of where they wanted the game to progress to, and then did something that went against that. a repetition of 'i'm not sure/i didn't put thought in' etc is shitty too, but moreso because taylor hasn't tried to do anything today, too, and we're running out of time. like, we have 1107 toying around with the idea of no-elim but that is something to bring up way before now to talk about.

p-edit: okay well apparently we are getting down to the wire today with our content.

taylor, why did you do this to me.

@Isis, I’m assuming you’re referring to this post. I guess I’m not seeing what you are?

[Loki Dokie]

¶

Votecount 1.16

[2] Isis:

PlusJOYED, Not_Mafia

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla

[6] Not Voting:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, Kanna, Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift, Lokie Dokie

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to execute.

If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to execute.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-20 19:59:58).

Joint Mod ISO.

I wish I didn’t have to decide between Isis and Pooky but I think Isis is obvtown from Tayl0r’s readslist, so I guess it will probably come down to who I want to save more than who I scumread, which sucks but I honestly don’t know what else to go by. My scumread on Tayl0r has actually strengthened since she reacted to my read on her and it’s abundantly clear she wants Isis flipped over Pooky but that probably says a lot more about Isis’ alignment than Pooky’s but I think if scum decides this, based off of my Tayl0r read, it seems pretty obvious they prefer to flip Isis.

[Loki Dokie]

¶

Votecount 1.16

[2] Isis:

PlusJOYED, Not_Mafia

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla

[6] Not Voting:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, Kanna, Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift, Lokie Dokie

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to execute.

If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to execute.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-20 19:59:58).

Joint Mod ISO.

I wish I didn’t have to decide between Isis and Pooky but I think Isis is obvtown from Tayl0r’s readslist, so I guess it will probably come down to who I want to save more than who I scumread, which sucks but I honestly don’t know what else to go by. My scumread on Tayl0r has actually strengthened since she reacted to my read on her and it’s abundantly clear she wants Isis flipped over Pooky but that probably says a lot more about Isis’ alignment than Pooky’s but I think if scum decides this, based off of my Tayl0r read, it seems pretty obvious they prefer to flip Isis.

Possible paranoia alert that Tayl0r might possibly be angling to chainsaw both of them but I can’t see a world with a Tayl0r/Isis scumteam here.

[Loki Dokie]

yeah by complaint I mean I think she's overstating the extent to which it is frustrating to need to choose to vote me or Pooky today. Pooky and I don't find it so so frustrating. I think it's an emulated feeling. I'm not slamdunk on that.

I've only played with Ydrasse when she was scum, here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=3200

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=34307

Here’s a Ydrasse towngame for contrast. The major difference seems to be she makes longer posts as town and her tone is more sincere but Idk how truly helpful that is here. Meta isn’t necessarily helpful with all players.

[Loki Dokie]

God, this sucks because I still think Pooky/Isis are both town but I think Tayl0r is very likely scum and Idk if she’s trying to frame Pooky by leaving him out of her readslist or not but she clearly wants to flip Isis.

[Loki Dokie]

God, this sucks because I still think Pooky/Isis are both town but I think Tayl0r is very likely scum and Idk if she’s trying to frame Pooky by leaving him out of her readslist or not but she clearly wants to flip Isis.

town: ydrasse, kanna, morning.
scum: loki (isis, drusilla)

[Loki Dokie]

¶

Votecount 1.16

[2] Isis:

PlusJOYED, Not_Mafia

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla

[6] Not Voting:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, Kanna, Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift, Lokie Dokie

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to execute.

If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to execute.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-20 19:59:58).

Joint Mod ISO.

I wish I didn’t have to decide between Isis and Pooky but I think Isis is obvtown from Tayl0r’s readslist, so I guess it will probably come down to who I want to save more than who I scumread, which sucks but I honestly don’t know what else to go by. My scumread on Tayl0r has actually strengthened since she reacted to my read on her and it’s abundantly clear she wants Isis flipped over Pooky but that probably says a lot more about Isis’ alignment than Pooky’s but I think if scum decides this, based off of my Tayl0r read, it seems pretty obvious they prefer to flip Isis.

Possible paranoia alert that Tayl0r might possibly be angling to chainsaw both of them but I can’t see a world with a Tayl0r/Isis scumteam here.

VOTE: Pooky :/

Sorry :/. If I could vote for a no execute or Tayl0r instead here, I 100% would. Can we execute Hectic instead for making us have to choose between two extremely likely town slots?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

grrrr

VOTE: tayl0r Swift

88 89 tweet tweet. sing! sing! sing!
VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

scree?

39 53 56 68 71 76 85 94 97 117 134

88 89

sing! sing!

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

tweet.

VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

chirp chirp chirp.

VOTE: Pooky the magical bear

Grrr!

Kicking myself for unvoting Tayl0r now because maybe she could have been one of the options today and I would actually be voting a slot I actually do scumread.

@mod, if you ever run this again, please include a no execute option or in any game for that matter. Absolutely nothing worse than having to choose between two townreads.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

VOTE: Isis

I'm literally shivering. I don't think I've made a more painful vote in all my years of playing this.

Hectic really is evil for designing his game like this

E-2 btw, I believe.

+1 to the bolded. Yeah, you’re both so obviously town here. You’re both E-2 I think. I should have gone with my gut. Isis thought that it was town indicative for Tayl0r to post sickly dog pix but not likely if this is literally her first scum game. I of course also believed att that she might genuinely be scumreading Isis and not voting her because she was a cat and on D2, she also votes Isis but then somehow it’s “random”.

[Loki Dokie]

Kicking myself for unvoting Tayl0r now because maybe she could have been one of the options today and I would actually be voting a slot I actually do scumread.

messed up quotes there

if only we stuck to our all cat alliance

cats are awesome >.>

Yeah, sorry.

[Loki Dokie]

Was fun playing with you, pooky! Let’s play again some other time <3

That’s E-1

Goodnight

Sweet dreams

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler: [/spoiler] Isis and Not_Mafia are lovers. Ydrasse and Loki Dokie are lovers. PlusJOYED and Tayl0r Swift are lovers. Kanna and drusilla have been treestumped. They may continue to post. Isis and PlusJOYED have been confirmed as town. The rest of the game will be nightless. During the night, the remaining sole mafia was given a task! They were told to do the following: Treestump 2 players, this will remove their votes and effect for parity purposes. Confirm two OTHER players in the remaining 6 as town. Form lover pairings of the 6 living players (everyone but the 2 players they treestumped) The rest of the game after you make these decisions will be nightless.

So, does this work like a typical lovers’ game then? Not surprised about Kanna and Dru. Very glad they still get to post. Kind of surprised by plus (being IC’d) although not extremely. I almost had a near heart attack when Isis asked Dru if she should self-vote. Tayl0r’s hammer looked really scummy and that helped confirm my decision. Pooky’s weird post about Tayl0r’s marathon blitz games somehow being a bad comparison with this one. Well, while I was definitely shocked he flipped scum, that post pinged me a bit and obviously a lot more now considering the flip.

[Loki Dokie]

Kanna and dru you are both town! <3

You’re actually shocked by that? The only flip that actually shocked me was Pooky’s.

[Loki Dokie]

i gotta say, me and taylor were probably on the scummier side this game, I don't get why

we

would have been chosen to be confirmed

Not “we”, you.

[Loki Dokie]

at a macro level, we can win the game by deciding that either {Not_Mafia}, {Tayl0r Swift}, or {YDrasse AND Loki Dokie} is town.

Not Tayl0r. Tayl0r doing nothing at all until near deadline and hammering Pooky despite having you in her PoE was suspicious af. I think Ydrasse not voting would be too obvious. I showed evidence of how town!Tayl0r usually posts. She slipped with the MT townread because she isn’t bothering to read the damn game. Do you seriously believe a townie wouldn’t be carefully reading the game and know who’s on the actual playerlist?

[Loki Dokie]

Loki Doki why did you choose to be lovers with Ydrasse?

I didn’t. Didn’t you read that post?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler: [/spoiler] Isis and Not_Mafia are lovers. Ydrasse and Loki Dokie are lovers. PlusJOYED and Tayl0r Swift are lovers. Kanna and drusilla have been treestumped. They may continue to post. Isis and PlusJOYED have been confirmed as town. The rest of the game will be nightless. During the night, the remaining sole mafia was given a task! They were told to do the following: Treestump 2 players, this will remove their votes and effect for parity purposes. Confirm two OTHER players in the remaining 6 as town. Form lover pairings of the 6 living players (everyone but the 2 players they treestumped) The rest of the game after you make these decisions will be nightless.

@Isis

[Loki Dokie]

During the night,

the remaining sole mafia was given a task! They were told to do the following

:
Treestump 2 players, this will remove their votes and effect for parity purposes.
Confirm two OTHER players in the remaining 6 as town.

Form lover pairings of the 6 living players

(everyone but the 2 players they treestumped)
The rest of the game after you make these decisions will be nightless.

[Loki Dokie]

During the night,

the remaining sole mafia was given a task! They were told to do the following

:
Treestump 2 players, this will remove their votes and effect for parity purposes.
Confirm two OTHER players in the remaining 6 as town.

Form lover pairings of the 6 living players

(everyone but the 2 players they treestumped)
The rest of the game after you make these decisions will be nightless.

@mod, does this work similarly to how lovers’ roles usually work? If one lover is executed, does the other automatically suicide?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler: [/spoiler] The nightingale flies up to a high branch and settles down near a beehive. Spying the tiger down below at the base of the trunk, she pecks at the twig holding the beehive in place, causing it to plummet down below onto the unsuspecting wildcat. At first, the tiger roars in anger and surprise, but this quickly transitions to fear and pain as the bees mercilessly prey upon him.

¶

Votecount 1.5

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, PlusJOYED

[2] PlusJOYED:

Ydrasse, Not_Mafia

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla, Isis

[1] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift

[2] Not Voting:

Lokie Dokie, Kanna

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

Spoiler: [/spoiler] As the cloud of bees envelop the tiger, he is sent into a fury and escapes with only a few minor stings. The cheetah lets out yelp which could be interpreted as a snicker, and the tiger is not impressed. He strides over to the cheetah and locks him in a death stare, daring him to yelp again.

¶

Votecount 1.6

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla, Isis, Kanna, Loki Dokie

[2] PlusJOYED:

Ydrasse, Not_Mafia

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

PlusJOYED

[1] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Loki Dokie:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0] Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

Pooky was voting Tayl0r until he decided to jump on me.

[Loki Dokie]

@mod, does this work similarly to how lovers’ roles usually work? If one lover is executed, does the other automatically suicide?

Yes.

I’d happily execute Tayl0r if I had been paired with her, which is of course why I wasn’t.

[Loki Dokie]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12098736

Tayl0r Swift towngame. Look at how extremely engaged and solvey she’s being in that game, where she has done absolutely nothing in this one.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=34760

Tayl0r Swift super obvtown in this one. Town!Tayl0r does things, she is extremely engaged and blatantly townie as town. I think I’m not wrong here that she got a red role PM in this game. People can make excuses for the post-restrictive stage but here we have a slot, who is playing 100% differently than in her towngames, so I think we’ve caught at least one scum in TS.

But these aren't even mafia games. These are Secret Hitler games run in real time during Marathon day. You're not really comparing apples to apples here.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12098736

Tayl0r Swift towngame. Look at how extremely engaged and solvey she’s being in that game, where she has done absolutely nothing in this one.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=34760

Tayl0r Swift super obvtown in this one. Town!Tayl0r does things, she is extremely engaged and blatantly townie as town. I think I’m not wrong here that she got a red role PM in this game. People can make excuses for the post-restrictive stage but here we have a slot, who is playing 100% differently than in her towngames, so I think we’ve caught at least one scum in TS.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12106425

Yet another game with obvtown Tayl0r, she played the exact same way in all of these game but so far, completely different here.

But these aren't even mafia games. These are Secret Hitler games run in real time during Marathon day. You're not really comparing apples to apples here.

But she’s doing stuff in all of them, so what’s your point? She’s made zero attempt to make reads or anything yet and we’re almost at deadline. I don’t understand why you’re making this distinction?

her lack of commitment and detachment is very scum-indicative. Mafia usually do feel detached in these nomination scenarios when they do not have anything at stake.

[Loki Dokie]

But these aren't even mafia games. These are Secret Hitler games run in real time during Marathon day. You're not really comparing apples to apples here.

This post is total bs btw and I’d bet money Pooky doesn’t believe a word of this.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Tayl0r

If this flips town, you can kill me next.

[Loki Dokie]

I was trying to see if I could bait a townslip
I don't know why I bother, you're not the scummier part of your lovership right now

You can’t possibly play 180 degrees differently as town than you’re doing here and not be scum.

[Loki Dokie]

I was trying to see if I could bait a townslip
I don't know why I bother, you're not the scummier part of your lovership right now

You can’t possibly play 180 degrees differently as town than you’re doing here and not be scum.

I didn't follow this
does it mean you think I'm towny?

This was about Tayl0r. Every damn game she’s been town in, she does stuff, She makes nuanced reads and is super solvey. She has done none of that here but of course, she just waiting to be the hammer at deadline and no protest whatsoever or change in her reads. She had you in her PoE but has absolutely no qualms about hammering Pooky after Dru told her to do it.

I knew when I read that weird post he made about Tayl0r that you and her were never buddies. Yes, I thought you were very obviously townie, so townie in fact that you almost put us in jeopardy with asking Dru about that self-vote thing. Please tell me you weren’t actually serious about that, that you weren’t actually considering doing that after I posted that your death was what scum wanted?

[Loki Dokie]

I rly wanted to paranoia plusJOYED getting conftowned over Loki
but like geez look at this

I’m not shocked because Dru obviously wants me out of this game. If she was town here, she’d have paired me with her.

[Loki Dokie]

I rly wanted to paranoia plusJOYED getting conftowned over Loki
but like geez look at this

I’m not shocked because TAYL0R obviously wants me out of this game. If she was town here, she’d have paired me with her.

Sorry Dru.

[Loki Dokie]

I rly wanted to paranoia plusJOYED getting conftowned over Loki
but like geez look at this

I’m not shocked because TAYL0R obviously wants me out of this game. If she was town here, she’d have paired me with her.

Sorry Dru.

I mean, she knows I’d be voting her no matter what, which is probably why I’m paired with Ydrasse. I’m guessing that that NM was paired with you because he’s extremely inactive and isn’t seen as a threat?

[Loki Dokie]

if Tayl0r is scum why didn't she pretend to be akf and use the deadline to eliminate me?

“akf”?

Because I’d be coming after her after your flip. She does absolutely nothing until near deadline and was positioning herself to look townie by being the “neutral” hammer. Why did she vote Pooky over you when she had you in her PoE? Does that really make sense to you?

[Loki Dokie]

NM is paired with me because I was scumspecting him for not hammering Pooky. He's probably actually town.

Yeah, I don’t see anything particularly agenda-y about his play.

Kanna said she liked Ydrasse’s tone, so we can wait for her and Dru to weigh in but I’m like 78% sure it’s Tayl0r based on the extreme difference in her play here from the games I posted + Pooky’s weird defense of her. Also, look at the VCA. Who was he voting on D1? Plus, Tayl0r and me, only after I put him at E-1.

[Loki Dokie]

town: ydrasse, kanna,

morning

.
scum: loki (isis, drusilla)

How does anyone who’s actually reading the game make this kind of mistake?

[Loki Dokie]

*afk


she showed up to cast the vote we needed to reach e-0

Oh, well that’s why I lean Tayl0r > Ydrasse because not being around looks really suspicious, don’t you think? It’s possible it could be Ydrasse but I just think it’s really obviously Tayl0r.

[Loki Dokie]

I don't think that's AI

It means that they are disconnected and not reading the game and why wouldn’t town!Tayl0r be doing that?

[Loki Dokie]

Look at Pooky D1, he’s working overtime to tie himself to Ydrasse. Do you think he’d do that if she were his buddy? I mean it’s possible that he could be hiding behind them being past lovers but it’s a really strange play for scum to make.

[Loki Dokie]

there's like a really good chance of ydrasse and pooky recruiting eachother because they knew it would be fun

What if Tayl0r is the original mafia? I could definitely see her recruiting Pooky but I will admit, it is odd that Tayl0r would be paired with plus but her entire play + VCA + Pooky’s weird defence point to her. I have absolutely no idea who NM would recruit or who would recruit him, so that probably points in his favour, so I agree he’s the least likely betwen Tayl0r > Ydrasse > NM.

[Loki Dokie]

I would like to feel more confident betting the game on N_M town but I don't feel that confident on it.
seeing as how he has not done all that much

Well I am in the only unconfirmed pair, so what is your take on that? Do you think scum!Ydrasse pairs herself up with me but not confirm me town?

[Loki Dokie]

I don't know! This is like NK WIFOM and I hate it >_<
I prefer the kind of mafia where I find slips and stuff

Yeah it is wifom but I think scum would be more likely to pair themselves off with a confirmed slot, because town would be less reluctant to vote off a slot with one confirmed player. I’ve got to say, it still strongly points to Tayl0r. Why? Pairing up with you looks way too obvious (NM), pairing up with an unconfirmed slot (me) too risky imo, so the scum sweet spot imo is with confirmed town plus.

[Loki Dokie]

1279. I think I’ve made an extremely strong case why it’s likely Tayl0r. Pooky first tries to discredit my case due to them being marathon games and not in “real time” and then suddenly switches to oh she’s so disconnected because he knows arguing my case further would probably raise my suspicions of him and guarantee his death. He had absolutely no reaction to you pushing Ydrasse. He did mention NM but unlike Tayl0r, what he said about NM actually made sense.

[Loki Dokie]

I would like to feel more confident betting the game on N_M town but I don't feel that confident on it.
seeing as how he has not done all that much

Well I am in the only unconfirmed pair, so what is your take on that? Do you think scum!Ydrasse pairs herself up with me but not confirm me town?

I would argue that this again points to scum!Tayl0r, because it makes Ydrasse the most vulnerable and gets a huge threat - me - eliminated from the game. I really don’t see why scum!Ydrasse puts either her or me in this position. Bad for her because I’m unconfirmed, also bad for her because if I push Tayl0r and defend her, it puts her in a weakened position, precisely because I’m unconfirmed. I would argue that neither Ydrasse nor NM has a particularly good reason to put me in an unconfirmed position. But scum!Tayl0r has every reason to do this, to hope people suspect Ydrasse and get rid of her biggest threat in the game, did you guess me?

[Loki Dokie]

Why isn't your confidence shaken more when Pooky surprised you and flipped scum?

Why would it? I was hard scumreading Tayl0r independently over my read on Pooky but his post defending her, does make it likely that they could be buddies? What about Pooky’s flip do you think should make me suddenly think I’m wrong on Tayl0r when the whole lover thing seems to point to that making the most sense?

Again, do you think scum!anyone is more likely to pair themselves with confitown or an unconfirmed slot?

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Isis

???

Why? I honestly do think it’s Tayl0r. But if you’re looking to see who jumps on this, I guess you know what you’re doing?

[Loki Dokie]

@mod, does this work similarly to how lovers’ roles usually work? If one lover is executed, does the other automatically suicide?

Yes.

I’d happily execute Tayl0r if I had been paired with her, which is of course why I wasn’t.

@Dru

This is what I mean. Scum!Tayl0r knows I wouldn’t hesitate to vote her no matter who she was paired with, so I think that’s why I wasn’t paired with her.

[Loki Dokie]

Loki if you think it's taylor and you think Ydrasse is a less likely partner than N_M, why are you ok with flipping Taylor and eliminating you if that's wrong?

I obviously don’t want to be executed, I mean that I think it’s Tayl0r and I think the game will end with her flip. But after thinking more on how weird it was that I am in the only unconfirmed slot, that would probably be stupid, because I just think that it would be really dumb for scum!Ydrasse to do this, so it probably means she’s likely town.

[Loki Dokie]

If she was town here, she’d have paired me with her.

mmm, could this be explained to me please?

@mod, does this work similarly to how lovers’ roles usually work? If one lover is executed, does the other automatically suicide?

Yes.

I’d happily execute Tayl0r if I had been paired with her, which is of course why I wasn’t.

@Dru

This is what I mean. Scum!Tayl0r knows I wouldn’t hesitate to vote her no matter who she was paired with, so I think that’s why I wasn’t paired with her.

but uh, if taylor was town here, how would she have chosen the pairs?

She obviously wouldn’t have. I’m dyslexic, so there’s your explanation for that.

[Loki Dokie]

1279. I think I’ve made an extremely strong case why it’s likely Tayl0r. Pooky first tries to discredit my case due to them being marathon games and not in “real time” and then suddenly switches to oh she’s so disconnected because he knows arguing my case further would probably raise my suspicions of him and guarantee his death. He had absolutely no reaction to you pushing Ydrasse. He did mention NM but unlike Tayl0r, what he said about NM actually made sense.

Does no one have any comments about any of this? How likely do any of you think it is that a player consistently plays a certain way as town but very differently here?

If you honestly think I’m irrationally tunnelled here, I’d really like to understand why but I really don’t think so.