Silent Star 2: Menagerie

[drusilla]

glub

chirp

fshhh??

tweet



warble?
chirp tweet

[drusilla]

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

ROOOOAR

chirp

[drusilla]

grr?

warble?

squeak!

chirp!

[drusilla]

clickity click!

tweet

warble?
chirp tweet

[drusilla]

roar

Spoiler:

growl

Spoiler:

grumble

Spoiler:

chirp

tweet

warble?

[drusilla]

roar!!

chirp!

VOTE: drusilla

tweet. pipe. pipe pipe pipe.

warble?

[drusilla]

UNVOTE:

[drusilla]

ROAR... ROAR, grumble.

VOTE: ydrasse
VOTE: drusilla

pipe
pipe

VOTE: plusjoyed

sing?


warble?

[drusilla]

UNVOTE:

[drusilla]

VOTE: Kanna

The sole mafia

warble?

recruit their partner

warble?

[drusilla]

purrrrrr

pipe!

Purrrrrrrrrrr

pipe!

squeak?

pipe.

purrrrrrrrrr

pipe?

Moo

warble?

warble?

gurgle gurgle spert fshhhh bub hub bub

sing?

[5] Not Voting: Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

88 89 tweet tweet. sing! sing! sing!
VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

[drusilla]

88 89 tweet tweet. sing! sing! sing!
VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

scree?

39 53 56 68 71 76 85 94 97 117 134

88 89

sing! sing!

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

tweet.

VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

chirp chirp chirp.

[drusilla]

recruit their partner

scree click click,

scree VOTE: isis VOTE: pooky

squeak

s-queak: squeakity...

sniff?

Condemn one more animal

PlusJOYED, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia

[drusilla]

purr

hiss

meow

hee-haw

eee-aaah

sniff?

[drusilla]

VOTE: Kanna

sniff?

rumble rumble

sniff?

[drusilla]

recruit their partner

scree click click,

scree VOTE: isis VOTE: pooky

squeak

s-queak: squeakity...

sniff?

[drusilla]

click click click

Condemn one more animal

sniff?

[drusilla]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

Roar!!!

hee-haw!

recruit their partner

scree click click,

scree VOTE: isis VOTE: pooky

sniff? sniff?

[drusilla]

growl?

VOTE: isis

recruit their partner

VOTE: pooky

sniff?

VOTE: pooky

recruit their partner

VOTE: isis

sniff?

[drusilla]

The sole mafia then proceeded to recruit their partner

VOTE: isisVOTE: pooky

grumble!

VOTE: isis

recruit their partner

VOTE: pooky

hee-haw?

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

Roar!!!

sniff?

[drusilla]

click click click!

click click click

Condemn one more animal

sniff?

Isis
PookyTheMagicalBear
Kanna
Ydrasse
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Not_Mafia
Lokie Dokie
drusilla

sniff?

[drusilla]

The sole mafia

Isis
PookyTheMagicalBear
Kanna
Ydrasse
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Not_Mafia
Lokie Dokie
drusilla

proceeded to recruit their partner

VOTE: isisVOTE: pooky

eee-aaah hee-haw. hee-haw eee-aaah.

[drusilla]

The sole mafia

Isis
PookyTheMagicalBear
Kanna
Ydrasse
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Not_Mafia
Lokie Dokie
drusilla

proceeded to recruit their partner

VOTE: isisVOTE: pooky

eee-ahhhhhhhhh!!

VOTE: isisVOTE: pooky

hee-haw eee-aaah. eee-aaah hee-haw.

[drusilla]

UNVOTE:

[drusilla]

Roar!
VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear VOTE: Kanna?

eee-aaah?

Condemn one more animal

PlusJOYED, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia

¶

Votecount 1.6

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

drusilla, Isis, Kanna, Loki Dokie

[2] PlusJOYED:

Ydrasse, Not_Mafia

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

PlusJOYED

[1] Isis:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Loki Dokie:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0] Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-14 21:09:12).

VOTE: taylor

VOTE: plusjoyed

VOTE: ydrasse

VOTE: taylor

Ydrasse, PlusJOYED,

[drusilla]

VOTE: plusjoyed

[drusilla]

click click click

Condemn one more animal

sniff?

click click click!

click click click

Condemn one more animal

sniff?

Isis
PookyTheMagicalBear
Kanna
Ydrasse
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Not_Mafia
Lokie Dokie
drusilla

sniff?

VOTE: plusjoyed

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VOTE: pookythemagicalbear VOTE: plusjoyed

[drusilla]

VOTE: drusilla

sniff?

VOTE: drusilla

sniff? sniff?

VOTE: drusilla

sniifffffffffffffffffff.

[drusilla]

ANNOUNCEMENT:
Condemn one more animal, and it can't be PookyTheMagicalBear again. Good luck.

Click !!

it can't be PookyTheMagicalBear again. Good luck.

Click Click Click!!!

again

again

again

CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK!!!

Condemn one more animal

PlusJOYED, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia

Ydrasse, PlusJOYED,

VOTE: plusjoyed

VOTE: plusjoyed

[drusilla]

Not_Mafia HAMMER
[1] PlusJOYED: Ydrasse
[1] Tayl0r Swift: PlusJOYED
[1] Isis: Tayl0r Swift

[drusilla]

PookyTheMagicalBear

the mafia

[drusilla]

click click click

Condemn one more animal

sniff?

click click click!

click click click

Condemn one more animal

sniff?

Isis
PookyTheMagicalBear
Kanna
Ydrasse
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Not_Mafia
Lokie Dokie
drusilla

sniff?

VOTE: plusjoyed

CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK !!
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VOTE: pookythemagicalbear VOTE: plusjoyed

[drusilla]

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to condemn someone. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to condemn.
The condemning deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-16 07:18:42).

[drusilla]

which I didn't really get.

i can walk you through whatever it is you didn't get, if you'd like.

[drusilla]

i really liked the post restriction - put us all at drusilla level of communication instead of just me.

[drusilla]

i doubt anyone figured that out

this is why i was trying to express to you that i thought kanna was town, after she cleared up what she meant by the recruiting.

[drusilla]

pookythemagicalbear made a bunch of like buddying posts with no content and didn't try to communicate about the game despite my efforts and the efforts of others, and then quoted hectic about who wasn't voting and that the mafia would get to choose if we didn't. and it felt super mafia indicative. like extremely so.

the code for the nightingale posts was:

chirp - yes
tweet - no
pipe - town
sing - mafia
warble - universal question word

[drusilla]

i *think* i understood some of drusilla's posts but i found them quite scummy

@drusilla; if you understood me, then did you agree with me?

i agreed that isis and pooky would be high picks across the board, yes. i disagreed that i chose isis, obviously.

[drusilla]

is drusilla an alt

drusilla is a shiki alt, which kanna (and possibly others) is aware of.

[drusilla]

stop "what"ing me guys, y'all making me sad

i won't 'what' you. i guess could you just talk to me about why you thought my play was scummy? please.

[drusilla]

so mechanically, it would make no sense to play this out if one of those 2 wasn't scum, so one of them is probably scum and the other town.

if they're both mafia but the game is set up where we condemn two but only eliminate one they could both be mafia and the game would continue, i believe.

[drusilla]

i'm not well known at all and i think only you/shiki would consider picking me

i checked on players familiarity with eachother but i'm not sure how helpful it is. i don't think there is anyone in the game who would choose me, and i would have chosen loki dokie, which i thought about at length after it was revealed that the mafia chose their partner.

this is likely the climax

i would say this is quite unlikely to be the climax. looking at last silent star might give some indication that this is not THE END.

[drusilla]

272 is like reachy analysis i think is scum indicative for drusilla
271 was a bit confbiasy for my isis/drusilla theory, but i was very confused by the plusjoy votes especially if drusilla understood/agreed(?) with me earlier about pooky/isis
273 is me asking drusilla if she understood me etc etc, where did the plusjoy thing come from??

i was trying to show that they were familiar with eachother and their votes were odd. i wasn't hard casing them i was trying to get opinions from other people i townread at the time, which isis was one of. isis went with plusjoyed, who was one of the four options i was comfortable voting, so i also voted there. plusjoyed posted not super infrequently but almost none of them are attempting to communicate something game related, as far as i could tell. taylor swift and not mafia are null to me. plusjoyed slight mafia leaning and ydrasse's votes were weird and after i townread them for attempting to establish basic communication they kinda faded from the game in a way, which coincided with the votes on pooky, so this was also strange to me.

[drusilla]

can you please explain why you wanted to put PlusJOYED as the 2nd condemnation?

plusjoyed made sense in various worlds to me and their play individually seemed the scummiest out of the non-you players to me, and isis who i was townreading voted there. would you have chosen plusjoyed? somewhat unlikely. would plusjoyed have chosen you? quite possibly.

[drusilla]

Why would PlusJoyed choose me? He's literally never played with me before. and then we open up as the first 2 posters? I mean cmon really?

it is very easy to look at other players games i have done so for everyone in this game and i've never played with many of you. do you think a mafia who had to choose their partner would not do so? i don't understand this.

[drusilla]

I mean cmon really?

i mean by this logic you're saying isis and i are mafia together and just were the first two votes on two wagons we pushed? is that something you think mafia frequently do? i don't think being the first two posters makes much a difference, especially since both of you then declined to actually participate in the game for some time.

[drusilla]

no I didn't say you and isis were mafia together.

i guess this was lost in animal communication. because it sure felt like that is what you were pushing.

[drusilla]

ok and what in my play-history would suggest I am good as a scum-partner ? I'm usually outspoken, brash and draw tons of attention - in a post restricted game such as this one I would think the ideal partner would be someone who is more of a silent hide in the shadows type player.

for me what would suggest you're a good choice for me would be the drawing of attention, but i'm not sure i could evaluate why other players would make that decision. i disagree with the last sentence entirely but it feels particularly not useful to discuss.

[drusilla]

ill townbin this

eh. i really dislike this kind of thing because i've seen a lot of players as mafia use it to manipulate. it's null at best i think.

[drusilla]

eh. i really dislike this kind of thing because i've seen a lot of players as mafia use it to manipulate. it's null at best i think.

especially since it is something that can easily be checked instead of voiced.

[drusilla]

I was really excited to be a tiger and there were a large number of really cute tiger gifs and apparently thats scummy

it's scummy that you didn't try to communicate with other players beyond 'cute tiger gif' and then cared about the votes and what would happen if we didn't reach consensus. like that's pretty straightforward to me.

[drusilla]

it's scummy that you didn't try to communicate with other players beyond 'cute tiger gif' and then cared about the votes and what would happen if we didn't reach consensus. like that's pretty straightforward to me.

and then after the first condemnation the first thing i tried to do was ask your opinion on direction to go in, because you had already been condemned, so it's super useful information. and you didn't respond despite multiple attempts and just continued 'cute gif' 'random clicks' until we voted for plusjoyed, and then you cared about the game again.

[drusilla]

ok can you explain why that is? What was there to communicate about that I didn't do?

who to vote for? for instance. if you care about the lack of consensus votes helping to develop a consensus seems the correct course of action. do you not think anyone was trying to communicate about the game?

[drusilla]

who to vote for? for instance. if you care about the lack of consensus votes helping to develop a consensus seems the correct course of action. do you not think anyone was trying to communicate about the game?

like if you're town you'd help develop a consensus. i think mafia would be far more likely to say, hey look we need to do this. instead of doing it.

because I didn't know what to do. People literally just threw me in a cage and said hey this guy is probly scum, you really think first thing on my mind after that happens is "well time to get the town to listen to me now"?

i was listening to you. in fact i asked you, twice, which direction you thought we should go in.

[drusilla]

drusilla turning out to be a shiki alt that is also a dr. dolittle is such a curveball pitch

i do not know what this means.

I didn't know you were listening to me, you literally just led my lynch-wagon I thought I was dead

what did you think these posts were trying to communicate?

click click click

Condemn one more animal

sniff?

click click click!

click click click

Condemn one more animal

sniff?

Isis
PookyTheMagicalBear
Kanna
Ydrasse
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Not_Mafia
Lokie Dokie
drusilla

sniff?

[drusilla]

is drusilla's avatar april ludgate?

it is drusilla from buffy the vampire slayer. if my brain were 'on' the day i /inned i would have made a new account but i became afraid i would miss the signup, which i almost did anyway.

[drusilla]

it is a surprise
Dr. dolittle is an animal linguist who can understand animals in a movie, the comparison is how you understand more of the animal sounds postings than most people I think.

ah! i understand now. lifetime of struggling to effectively communicate is likely the reasoning for this, which is what i meant by my post earlier.

I thought you were saying we got Pooky let's go get one more

like I didn't even consider you would want my opinion on who to get next because you kind of drove me into a cage, threw me in and tried to lynch me(I had no idea that condemnation =/= lynch) when you did that to me.

oh. hm. i was trying to ask you because that is super useful information to have regardless of your alignment because you had already been condemned, and also seeing what course of action you would take as a player in that position seemed like something that could be evaluated.

i also thought you had been eliminated but it was a weird double day situation where there were no flips until there were two.

[drusilla]

Why would having 2 flips make sense? I thought it was obviously a nomination process after it was revealed that I wasn't dead.

there was a game i played in where there were back to back day phases so i thought it was most likely an adjusted version of that, to still include the eliminated player in more of the game, because of the post restriction and short deadline.

[drusilla]

i also know that our most excellent moderator is aware of that game.

[drusilla]

ok I've never seen a game where an eliminated player doesn't flip and gets to keep voting, plus the throwing me in a cage instead of killing me made more sense as a nomination mechanic rather than a kill mechanic from the flavor.

ok I've never seen a game where an eliminated player doesn't flip and gets to keep voting, plus the throwing me in a cage instead of killing me made more sense as a nomination mechanic rather than a kill mechanic from the flavor.

i thought the cage was in order to do a ritual of some sort later on, and to explain why you got to continue voting for the time being.

[drusilla]

i think it's still right to consider pooky town for the second condemn phase because if he was, we would have a better chance pulling down scum if we went with what he wantedyet if he was scum, he would pull us town but we would already have one scum caught

a lot of this is why i attempted to ask him 'where do we go from here?' which was apparently lost in animal sounds.

and it certainly doesnt make sense to lynch 2 people on d1 with full post restrictions in place imo. I find it very susp that both you and drusilla are now saying that you thought the game mechanics are that way.

i find it suspicious that you apparently knew the post restrictions would be fully lifted.

[drusilla]

because if the post restrictions weren't lifted it wouldn't even be a mafia game imo

bugspray animal sounds dethy is a mafia game. i feel like if everyone put the effort in we could play almost as well with full restrictions. i guess we just differ in opinion there.

[drusilla]

this is a huge scumtell if the mafia do know the format of the game

yes for you? you just said doesn't make sense to lynch with restrictions in place? like you knew there wouldn't always be restrictions.

[drusilla]

ok but do you really put bugspray and hectic in the same mold as a mod?

like imo bugspray and hectic are about as different as they could be and moderators run setups that they think are interesting for the players to play.

i think of both bugspray and hectic very very highly, as i think they both know. they both design the sorts of games i am most drawn to. i guess i don't understand the distinction you're making.

[drusilla]

they're two of the three mods i try to join all of the closed setups they run.

[drusilla]

You seem to believe it is because I am mafia and hectic told me this prior to revealing it to the town.

i am trying to understand what you are communicating. you seemed to indicate that you knew beforehand that they wouldn't last forever, which to me did seem mafia indicative, yes, as i did not have that information. i don't view hectic and bugspray as extremely different as moderators, as they are two of the mods whose games i am most drawn to, and i find them to be similar in a lot of ways, so i was not following.

[drusilla]

sad people ignored my idea for making codewords now

i don't know what my words would be if that situation arises. i believe with minimal effort you'll be able to understand which is 'yay!' and which is 'nay!' however if it does. i guess i still don't fully get why you didn't think people were trying to communicate earlier. like if not that would else could ydrasse's post with the three words and pictures have been indicating?

that setup for me is very interesting and cool, I can definitely see it being a Hectic setup because it has a clever twist like Silent Star 1 where the everyone thought they were mafia but instead they were actually neighbors.

well yes i also quite expect this, as you know from silent star 1 since you seem to be familiar with it, i just expected it to occur in a different way. which i still do since i don't think 'no more post restrictions' changes the game in a comparable way.

[drusilla]

I didn't know you were townreading me, why did you??

drusilla,

i thought our interactions about kanna felt like something that would be unlikely to come from mafia. but now i don't know if i was mentally assigning more meaning to your posts than was there.

btw i chose all my animals based on ms users i liked with animal avatars!

snow leopard was snowblaze, fruit bat was morning tweet, and my third one is going to be DRAGON for iconeum

i hope morning tweet enjoyed those bat gifs!

i chose the firebird from the little humpbacked horse as my first choice but i also rambled about nightingales because almost always nightingales would have been my first choice but i had just watched the animated movie as research for my third choice on the list (and then of course the ballet which i always return to and would highly recommend) so i became 'firebird the nightingale'.

my second choice was behemoth from master and margarita. my third choice was balthazar from au hasard balthazar, who was then assigned to me in the second condemnation phase.

[drusilla]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[drusilla]

ill townbin this

eh. i really dislike this kind of thing because i've seen a lot of players as mafia use it to manipulate. it's null at best i think.

I dislike that drusilla didn't just issue you a townread the way Pooky and I did.

It's a little of BoPish of me to do so though.

i just don't see how this makes plusjoyed town. here's eve doing more or less the same thing as mafia:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11751833

like 'oh i didn't read the mod posts so i'm town' seems super easy to do to me.

[drusilla]

Talk to me dru. What r u thinking?

i am thinking that you say you now think i am mafia and isis is not but.... no reasoning given? anywhere really, as to why you think i'm mafia?

[drusilla]

i am thinking that you say you now think i am mafia and isis is not but.... no reasoning given? anywhere really, as to why you think i'm mafia?

well among 150,000 other things but this is something i am thinking!

[drusilla]

so in day 1.1 we selected pooky but then we also selected me (there was one vote on me and then the phase ended). afaik nothing happened to me. does anyone have an explanation for what happened there?

taylor swift was helpful to town in a recent marathon game.

[drusilla]

kanna thought i was playing in a mafia indicative way during the post restriction despite also voting for pookythemagicalbear and now thinks i am playing in a town indicative way but isis thought i was locktown during the post restriction but now has rethought this due to me being me and i don't really know what to make of either of these. is something else i am thinking.

[drusilla]

i blindsheeped drusilla twice because i thought the post restriction would last all game and I thought I would never develop another read of remotely similar quality for the rest of the whole game, and I would pick that strategy over again if I could it makes sense to me.

why was your townread so strong especially considering you said you couldn't understand her?

everything is relative, maybe it was like 10% as good a townread as an average one in a post unrestricted game and it would still be the biggest read I'd expect to develop all game.

but the weird series of linked posts seemed to be saying

something

Also the way I was interpreting her WIM was based on having seen her join like 1 or 2 mechanically complex games here or there or somewhere and assuming this was her only account. For someone who isn't multitabling it seemed like it made the least sense for someone with that kind of play profile to stay engaged since the setup was all vanilla and the dayplay is simplified. It's less townindicative thinking of this person as shiki but there's separate reasons now

drusilla, what did you think of this?

i don't really buy this

it's very hard for me to evaluate this because to me i thought i was communicating clearly there and that's why people were sheeping it because it made (and still does 88 89 super mafia indicative to me so now finding out people were just sheeping it because i posted something that appeared game relevant seems....... disappointing? i guess. unless the part you aren't buying is the not knowing it was me and then now with that knowledge saying it's less town indicative, in which case, seems strange to me but i don't know what it means in terms of alignment.

[drusilla]

ill townbin this

eh. i really dislike this kind of thing because i've seen a lot of players as mafia use it to manipulate. it's null at best i think.

I dislike that drusilla didn't just issue you a townread the way Pooky and I did.

It's a little of BoPish of me to do so though.

i just don't see how this makes plusjoyed town. here's eve doing more or less the same thing as mafia:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11751833

like 'oh i didn't read the mod posts so i'm town' seems super easy to do to me.

Subject: Micro 934 | Hungarian Music 2 | Over

oh it's an open setup lol

i was wondering why shiki was crumbing bodyguard while i was one too

Like maybe this post?

well it started with post 24 when eve says she's not claiming any alternate win conditions when it's clearly in the mod posts that there aren't any alternate win conditions which i picked up on and was the basis for my early game scumread there.

[drusilla]

Also the way I was interpreting her WIM was based on having seen her join like 1 or 2 mechanically complex games here or there or somewhere and assuming this was her only account. For someone who isn't multitabling it seemed like it made the least sense for someone with that kind of play profile to stay engaged since the setup was all vanilla and the dayplay is simplified. It's less townindicative thinking of this person as shiki but there's separate reasons now

@drusilla; i moreso meant this part. what do you think of this? ^

the only other game i've played on this account was the first silent star. i don't see why it's town indicative for 'drusilla' but not town indicative for 'shiki' but that's what i've been saying i don't know what to make of, so.

[drusilla]

kanna thought i was playing in a mafia indicative way during the post restriction despite also voting for pookythemagicalbear

your pooky post was probably the only post i understood. i took it as you thought he was being pockety/rushing an elim which i Somewhat Agreed with, but otherwise, i thought you were questioning things/posting for the sake of it which i found scummy + the plusjoyed vote over isis when i thought you agreed with me

i think i read you townread isis in the animal phase, why?

well it was the being pockety/buddying and then suddenly caring about the elimination. i was trying to communicate about the game, but i guess that was mostly in my head outside of ydrasse. i did agree that isis was a likely choice for mafia to make but i didn't think isis was playing in a mafia indicative way, as to me we had just discussed why she thought you were mafia and i disagreed, so it seemed like she was trying to solve when she didn't have to, because so few people in the game were, so why put herself in danger in that way?

[drusilla]

why do people think im a girl my pronoun is right there and im cis
not that its a big deal

i think the she's are referring to me.

leaning town pooky

why though?

[drusilla]

not that its a big deal

it is a big deal though and something i should fight for more because i always downplay it but it does bother me and then i see bugspray fighting for it and i feel so thankful for their existence. so i appreciate your doing so even if in this case it didn't apply. would rather that than not certainly.

[drusilla]

Talk to me dru. What r u thinking?

is this something that generally proceeds a period of absence?

[drusilla]

is this something that generally proceeds a period of absence?

*precedes

[drusilla]

btw what do you think of Isis today now that post restrictions are off?

i have moved isis from slight town to i see reasons both ways.

Also can you explain why me buddying up to Ydrasse is scum-indicative?

because ydrasse was trying to communicate about the game or at least to develop a framework for us to communicate about the game within and you were just gif posting. and then you were like 'look we need to reach a consensus!' when you could have been working toward that goal. that's like what scum do.

[drusilla]

that's like what scum do.

make friends make no effort to solve the game make it seem like you care about the game being solved.

[drusilla]

I've never really played in a full post restricted game and have no experience in developing a framework or a code - so it seems quite wierd you would try to lynch me over that.

the person you were interacting with was already developing the framework. you didn't need to wholly invent it it was already being done by someone else and instead of participating in that you random gifs. however, i was unaware of the lovers game so i will take that into consideration.

[drusilla]

Btw I think gifs work much better for expressing suspicion/townreads.

i decided pre-game not to use the gifs because when i saw the pm about them i immediately began scrawling the internet and found it far far too easy to break the spirit of the game using them.

[drusilla]

i decided pre-game not to use the gifs because when i saw the pm about them i immediately began scrawling the internet and found it far far too easy to break the spirit of the game using them.

i used no gifs and only the provided words and punctuation.

[drusilla]

the person you were interacting with was already developing the framework. you didn't need to wholly invent it it was already being done by someone else and instead of participating in that you random gifs.

I really am confused about this part of your case against me.

Did you think Scum!Pooky looked at Ydra's post and decided hmm, there's someone developing a framework, let me smother her with random <3 gifs or

I'm just really dumb and missed the framework development thing completely and was excited to smother my lover with random <3 gifs?

it seemed to me like scum!pooky saw someone working towards solving the game and attempted to befriend them without participating in the solving of the game.

[drusilla]

Yea but I've never played an animal sounds game before and I was excited for my first game of animal sounds.

i have also never played an animal sounds game before and i was excited for a game where the players had to find a way to communicate. i was disappointed that a lot of players did not seem to share my excitement. those who weren't really playing felt different from you however, as you were making your presence known but it never felt like you were working towards finding mafia.

[drusilla]

did i disappoint you drusilla
i wanted to try to play but I struggled

nah i just i don't know this is too hypocritical of me to even say anything

[drusilla]

@drusilla; if you agreed we should consider pooky town for c2, then why did you go for plusjoyed instead of isis which was clearly what pooky wanted?

i didn't agree that we should consider pooky town, i thought that pooky had been eliminated and therefore either way any further information we could get from him would be super helpful. i went for plusjoyed because he seemed the most likely outside of pooky to be mafia to me.

[drusilla]

I don't see why you would put all your eggs in one basket even if your base assumption was that I had already been eliminated when it was clear that I had not been eliminated - my alignment had not been flipped at that point in the game.


Even if the actual mechanic at play was double-elimination instead of a nomination system - I think you still operate on the basis of Pooky-Town in order to get at least one elimination right rather than trying to hit both mafia on the same move. I think it's un-natural to make the 2nd elimination assuming Pooky!Scum when more likely than not just on a probability basis you are wrong about me.

It felt like you were more trying to hold together a voting bloc and target the disenfranchised scattered voters outside of it rather than taking a look at who could be scum slipping on the wagon if you were wrong about Pooky and I don't think that's a natural state of mind.

my eggs weren't all in one basket, plusjoyed made sense to me outside of scum!pooky as well, which i've already stated. either way information you'd provide at that point would be helpful. i tried to talk to you and you didn't try to talk to me after you were condemned, so. why should i sheep someone i think is the most likely mafia in the game? assuming you're town simply does not make sense to me.

[drusilla]

I think if we get to another post restricted phase we should have a universal code. that will be fairly easy for everyone.

Every player will post their "key" in their first post:

1st Sound:

Yes - Agree

2nd Sound:

No - Disagree

3rd Sound

SR: Quoted Person for Quote

4th Sound

TR: Quoted Person for Quote

5th Sound:

Why? Explain? Elaborate?


Anything else we can add to this list that needs to be added?

i've suggested this and I've already posted mine

this is simply what people were already doing but many of you chose not to participate. you said earlier that you thought pooky was town. why?

[drusilla]

I'm not saying to sheep me, I'm saying to try to find scum assuming I am town. they are two different things.

i was finding scum assuming that you were more likely than not to be mafia, because i felt you were more likely than not to be mafia.

[drusilla]

We didn't participate because we don't have experience playing post restricted games and didn't know this was even an option.

i also have no experience playing a post restricted game. yet somehow i knew it was an option to attempt to communicate. hectic even said in the mod posts good luck communicating. i don't understand your lack of engagement then, and now you and plusjoyed are pitching what others were already doing as something to do going forward and it is frustrating.

[drusilla]

but my alignment had not been flipped at that point and according to your mindset I was already as good as dead, so why keep going along the Pooky is scum angle?

If I do indeed flip scum as you believe I would - then town is already very ahead for nailing scum on its first elim.

However if I flip town - and you also miss on the 2nd elim because I flipped town instead of scum, you are looking at a 6 player game(after mafia elim) which is close to lylo and you are in the hot-seat having driven 2 straight mis-elims and you could very easily get mis-elim'd for the loss at that point.

I can't understand how town!dru doesn't hedge her bets at all and even consider the pretty decent chance actually that she's wrong about Pooky.

are you just ignoring everytime i say plusjoyed made sense to me outside of scum!pooky as well?

[drusilla]

I didn't think of setting up a code. You keep misconstruing this as somehow scum-indicative.

no i don't, i think coupled with your other behaviours it is scum indicative for you. i don't think it is scum indicative for taylor swift necessarily, seems null there.

[drusilla]

I'm not ignoring that. However it is clear that the main reason you were pushing him as Condemn2 was because you thought he was my scum-buddy - I asked you this originally and you said it would make sense for him to pick me I believe.

i said he made sense with you and also made sense outside of you. i was not pushing him clearly as your scum buddy, that isn't true. i thought he also made sense with ydrasse at the time.

[drusilla]

no i don't, i think coupled with your other behaviours it is scum indicative for you

Can you be specific here?

it seemed to me like scum!pooky saw someone working towards solving the game and attempted to befriend them without participating in the solving of the game.

the person you were interacting with was already developing the framework. you didn't need to wholly invent it it was already being done by someone else and instead of participating in that you random gifs.

make friends make no effort to solve the game make it seem like you care about the game being solved.

because ydrasse was trying to communicate about the game or at least to develop a framework for us to communicate about the game within and you were just gif posting. and then you were like 'look we need to reach a consensus!' when you could have been working toward that goal. that's like what scum do.

well it was the being pockety/buddying and then suddenly caring about the elimination.

like if you're town you'd help develop a consensus. i think mafia would be far more likely to say, hey look we need to do this. instead of doing it.

ok can you explain why that is? What was there to communicate about that I didn't do?

who to vote for? for instance. if you care about the lack of consensus votes helping to develop a consensus seems the correct course of action. do you not think anyone was trying to communicate about the game?

[drusilla]

It seems to me specifically you were thinking about him in the frame of reference as my mafia friend - since you are talking about him picking me.

yes and also outside of that, hence "plusjoyed made sense in various worlds to me and their play individually seemed the scummiest out of the non-you players to me"

My point is that the people not voting should vote and get involved in the game.

and my point is that some of those not voting, myself included, were involved in the game and it seemed like you were not but trying to make it look like you were.

[drusilla]

the whole point of posting gifs was to try to communicate...

you've already stated the thing that you were trying to communicate was 'hey we were lovers in a different game'. it's going to be pretty hard to try to backtrack that to 'i was trying to communicate about the game'.

[drusilla]

I don't think you took a Pooky!town perspective to your second elimination in your mind and I think you more or less admit you do not.

i took a pooky!probably-not-town perspective to it as i've said plenty of times.

[drusilla]

why should i sheep someone i think is the most likely mafia in the game? assuming you're town simply does not make sense to me.

[drusilla]

what? I posted gifs to more than just Ydrasse. The love-gifs were different from the other gifs.

yes what appear to be other buddying gifs to isis and taylor swift.

[drusilla]

yes what appear to be other buddying gifs to isis and taylor swift.

are those ones somehow game related?

[drusilla]

Dru is a very good player who has a lot of pull - she writes excellent posts that are very persuasive - as she demonstrated during the post restricted phase.

You've had different experiences with shiki than I have, generally she makes brilliant posts and then we all ignore her

shiki is so smart,

none of these feel particularly accurate, but thankyou all for the kind words.

shiki is so smart, she should be highly bopped. if things she's saying doesn't add up to us, she's probably just scum

whereas i don't think she would think those points were especially good right now if she was town

why though? why don't the things i'm saying add up? why aren't those points good? you want me to be this like disaster ball of unsuredness that i sometimes become but the disaster ball needs a champion to make sense of all of the loose threads or she's completely useless. if you think i can be useful to town, then help me be useful if you don't think i am. or don't. i get that i am an impossibly high maintenance member of town.

the tmi thing is also relatively nai, just saying. dru/isis are all good players and i think the best way to catch them out is finding what their motivation is

i think drusilla's motivation today has clearly been to advocate for a pooky elim and looking at the reasons, i find them p shaky. she's better than this. which means it's possible she's covering for isis so we should GO ISIS

could just say this exactly with regards to your push on isis > you covering for pooky. like sure abstractly it could be but i don't know why you find them shaky and this entire line is pure dejavu so.

[drusilla]

drusilla should I townread you for being sarcastic?

i don't know. i saw that post but i didn't comb through my past games to see how well it held up over a large enough sample size. i think it's a mood dependent thing for me, and perhaps it's a mood more likely to occur when i'm town, but i didn't gather any data.

[drusilla]

- i think you're giving too much credit to ydrasse for her communications post and linking it to solving the game when it wasn't really that

ah yes so what i said here more or less?:

because ydrasse was trying to communicate about the game or at least to develop a framework for us to communicate about the game within

- the gif shade when communication method is relatively nai. do you really think town are less likely to use gifs? imo, what matters is someone's efforts in getting everyone to understand their specific point

show me pooky making a game relevant point with one of those gifs. saying that my point was town wouldn't use gifs and mafia would is extremely disingenuous at best.

In post 737, drusilla wrote:
make friends make no effort to solve the game make it seem like you care about the game being solved.

- the buddying thing i have mixed feelings about but this goes too hard

okay, so show me pooky doing something other than that before posts 88/89.

- and for this i'm pretty sure he was voting both days, and this is misrep if it was c2 because everyone could see he wanted isis + going unnecessarily hard

this was talking about the first half of the first condemnation.

i think 899 is interesting though and it reminded me of CoC where i remember there being a specific comment i thought "wow shiki is so savage" but she was trying to distance from her scumbuddy

i assume this is referring to my being uncomfortable, but sure i can see how you'd view it that way in retrospect.

[drusilla]

this entire line is pure dejavu

kanna says drusilla is mafia because drusilla isn't as good as the fictional version inside kanna's mind take 3

OR

kanna is mafia emulating past behaviours

find out next time on

[drusilla]

OR

drusilla is right and everyone should VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

[drusilla]

if you’re actually right and Pooky does flip scum, then you’re pretty much a townlock,

well yes you'd see my flip in the morning in this case i assume.

[drusilla]

But she was initially hardpushing Isis and now switched to Pooky, so you’re saying she’s bussing? I actually don’t understand why Isis was the hammer on D2. She wasn’t doing anything remotely scummy.

i think kanna is more likely wrong about my slot rather than mafia, but those are the only two choices, so. i also didn't think isis should have been condemned, but alas.

kanna switched to pooky because.... she thinks i'm mafia? and partnered with pooky. does this make sense?

[drusilla]

drusilla why do you seem different this game?

i don't think i can judge why i seem different this game to you. like i could theorize if you want. or walk you through my thought process and how it may differ this game from other games, but why i seem different to you feels like something you'd have to answer.

[drusilla]

would you recruit Pooky if you drew mafia, dru?

no, i would have recruited loki dokie because i was upset with myself during signups because i wanted skitter to play so i felt sad when loki got un-wotm-ed and that was like really really unfair of me because i don't know loki dokie.

[drusilla]

no, i would have recruited loki dokie because i was upset with myself during signups because i wanted skitter to play so i felt sad when loki got un-wotm-ed and that was like really really unfair of me because i don't know loki dokie.

10,000,000,000 times unfair because i could have /outed so skitter could have played, and had it been pretty much any other game i probably would have.

[drusilla]

but if you outed I wouldn't get to play with you

hectic once explained to me that i was depriving people of this by /outing and it is still hard for me to fully understand that some people /do/ want to play with me, especially when i then let those few people down et cetera et cetera but i appreciate the sentiment really truly i just sometimes my brain questions it anyway

I’m sorry Skitter didn’t get to play but I don’t think I deserved to be WOTM’d. Hectic made incorrect assumptions about what he said in that post, so that would have been unfair to me since I signed up first.

nono i was the one being unfair in my feelings and i realized that almost immediately.

[drusilla]

shiki you know if I did the Reservoir dogs playerlist over again I'd still want you as a teammate even though we lost, right?!?!? you have fun posts you're fun to play with. You're on my favorites list.

you are very kind to me.

[drusilla]

song

a.



b.

[drusilla]

im happy to hammer here if needed.

please do.

[drusilla]

drusilla! Do you think I should selfvote?

no.

[drusilla]

If she was town here, she’d have paired me with her.

mmm, could this be explained to me please?

[drusilla]

If she was town here, she’d have paired me with her.

mmm, could this be explained to me please?

@mod, does this work similarly to how lovers’ roles usually work? If one lover is executed, does the other automatically suicide?

Yes.

I’d happily execute Tayl0r if I had been paired with her, which is of course why I wasn’t.

@Dru

This is what I mean. Scum!Tayl0r knows I wouldn’t hesitate to vote her no matter who she was paired with, so I think that’s why I wasn’t paired with her.

but uh, if taylor was town here, how would she have chosen the pairs?

[drusilla]

i think it's better for the unconfirmeds to be tethered to the treestumps rather than the confirmed towns?

[drusilla]

But drusilla what if I'm trying to abdicate responsibility and stress-shakes and not actually trying to develop a winning strategy X_X

uneasy lies the head that wears a crown

[drusilla]

Am I a queen now

now and always

[drusilla]

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[9] Not Voting:

Isis

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

Kanna

, Ydrasse,

PlusJOYED

, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie,

drusilla

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[1]

drusilla

:

PlusJOYED

[1]

PlusJOYED

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Isis

:

Ydrasse

[1] Ydrasse:

Kanna

[1]

Kanna

:

Isis

[4] Not Voting:

Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie,

drusilla

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[2]

PlusJOYED

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

, Ydrasse

[1]

drusilla

:

PlusJOYED

[1]

Kanna

:

Isis

[5] Not Voting:

Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie,

drusilla

,

Kanna

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[2] Tayl0r Swift:

Isis

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

PlusJOYED

:

Ydrasse

[1]

drusilla

:

PlusJOYED

[1]

Isis

:

Tayl0r Swift

[4] Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie,

drusilla

,

Kanna

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[3] Tayl0r Swift:

Isis

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

PlusJOYED

[1]

PlusJOYED

:

Ydrasse

[1]

Isis

:

Tayl0r Swift

[4] Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie,

drusilla

,

Kanna

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[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

PlusJOYED

[2]

PlusJOYED

:

Ydrasse, Not_Mafia

[2]

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

drusilla

,

Isis

[1]

Isis

:

Tayl0r Swift

[2] Not Voting:

Lokie Dokie,

Kanna

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[4]

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

drusilla

,

Isis

,

Kanna

, Loki Dokie

[2]

PlusJOYED

:

Ydrasse, Not_Mafia

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

PlusJOYED

[1]

Isis

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Loki Dokie:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0] Not Voting:

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[5]

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

drusilla

,

Isis

,

Kanna

, Loki Dokie, Not_Mafia

HAMMER

[1]

PlusJOYED

:

Ydrasse

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

PlusJOYED

[1]

Isis

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Loki Dokie:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0] Not Voting:

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[9] Not Voting:

Isis

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

Kanna

, Ydrasse,

PlusJOYED

, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie,

drusilla

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[2]

PlusJOYED

:

Isis

,

drusilla

[1]

Isis

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

Ydrasse

[1] Ydrasse:

PlusJOYED

[1]

drusilla

:

Kanna

[3] Not Voting:

Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie

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[3]

PlusJOYED

:

Isis

,

drusilla

, Ydrasse

[2]

drusilla

:

Kanna

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Isis

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Ydrasse:

PlusJOYED

[2] Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie

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[4]

Isis

:

Tayl0r Swift,

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

PlusJOYED

,

Kanna

[3]

PlusJOYED

:

Isis

,

drusilla

, Ydrasse

[2] Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie

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[5]

Isis

:

Tayl0r Swift,

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

PlusJOYED

,

Kanna

, Ydrasse

HAMMER

[2]

PlusJOYED

:

Isis

,

drusilla

[2] Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie

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[0]

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

[0]

Isis

:

[9] Not Voting:

Isis

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

Kanna

, Ydrasse,

PlusJOYED

, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie,

drusilla

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[1]

Isis

:

PlusJOYED

[0]

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

[8] Not Voting:

Isis

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

Kanna

, Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie,

drusilla

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[1]

Isis

:

PlusJOYED

[0]

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

[8] Not Voting:

Isis

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

Kanna

, Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift, Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie,

drusilla

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[2]

Isis

:

PlusJOYED

, Not_Mafia

[1]

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

drusilla

[6] Not Voting:

Isis

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

Kanna

, Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift, Lokie Dokie

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[4]

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

drusilla

,

Isis

, Loki Dokie,

Kanna

[3]

Isis

:

PlusJOYED

, Not_Mafia,

PookyTheMagicalBear

[2] Not Voting:

Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift

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[5]

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

drusilla

,

Isis

, Loki Dokie,

Kanna

, Tayl0r Swift

HAMMER

[3]

Isis

:

PlusJOYED

, Not_Mafia,

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1] Not Voting:

Ydrasse

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The deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-20 19:59:58).

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[drusilla]

why are we willing to vote already please don't

[drusilla]

loki dokie votes pookythemagicalbear in 1.6 putting to E-1; why if mafia?

[drusilla]

loki dokie votes pookythemagicalbear in 1.6 putting to E-1; why if mafia?

I already had him as locktown but I guess there can always be more chains and padlocks

at the same time pookythemagicalbear moved to loki dokie instead of the second largest wagon though. need to reread thread with the big magnifying glass tomorrow.

[drusilla]

I would love if I could figure out that Ydrasse was set up to be first execution due to Ydrasse coming to the thread and townspewing

does this:

@Ydrasse

I told myself I was going to write you beautiful poems when I saw you in the list of players for this game.

Some crazy things happened that kind of derailed these plans.

You see I was turned into a Tiger, and then a Dolphin and neither are very conducive to writing poetry - our moderator has a wicked sense of humor.

By the time I could speak again, I had been condemned and had to deal with a trial of sorts and I think I'm going to die now.

It's almost surreal this feeling - how death gives you a sharp focus on what's important in life - I love you and will miss you dearly - I wish we did not have to say goodbye so here's a song for you;





Maybe next time we play together things will turn out a little bit less tragic - you have my heart always <3 - now and forever..

read more like 'hey come to the thread and vote for isis' or 'you are my mafia partner'?

[drusilla]

I mean it’s obviously wifom but why does scum!Ydrasse align herself with an unconfirmed slot? She’s supposedly not terrible at playing scum, is she?

hm. why would this be terrible scumplay? you were largely townread yesterday, yes?

[drusilla]

I mean it’s obviously wifom but why does scum!Ydrasse align herself with an unconfirmed slot? She’s supposedly not terrible at playing scum, is she?

hm. why would this be terrible scumplay? you were largely townread yesterday, yes?

basically, from your point of view, you are town, but plusjoyed was chosen to be enlightened instead of you. meaning that the mafia did not want to pair two of the more scummy people together because then they'd be eliminated at the same time and they'd have less chance of winning the final battle, and that they did not want to pair themselves with plusjoyed. it seems to me is the case if you are town. making it more likely ydrasse because paired with you rather than less, which makes you stressing the unconfirmed thing strange to me.

[drusilla]

i think not mafia would have always chosen isis if mafia in this situation end of thought.

[drusilla]

what do you mean by that?

i think not mafia would have chosen isis if mafia here based on her speculation at the end of day yesterday about his not being present to hammer.

[drusilla]

it feels like word salad trying to think and read that rn so ii'm going to bed and going to read that again tomorrow.

sorry i think that's probably my communicating ineffectively rather than your being tired. i will try to rephrase. so end of day isis says 'hm, weird not mafia isn't around to hammer' assumedly because not mafia seems to take great pleasure in the hammer. so if mafia, not mafia would likely want to pair himself with her. unfortunately for us, i think the other scum options would also want to pair not mafia with isis, so.

[drusilla]

Well Ydrasse has to answer this obviously. I can only tell you that I think it would be hella stupid for scum!Ydrasse to have done that, because her chances of being executed are much higher because I am literally the only one who’s seeing how suboptimal it would be for scum to do this. I really don’t understand why you think it’s strange in the slightest? Tell me why you think it makes more sense for scum!Ydrasse to pair herself with an unconfirmed slot? Because it makes absolutely no sense to me.

because mafia need to survive two eliminations to win in this situation. so if one is the unconfirmeds, then mafia still need to win the one v one, in which case, why would plusjoyed have been enlightened instead of you? and the most apparent reason for this outside of you being mafia is to pair oneself with you.

[drusilla]

i tend to just blame myself for all losses. like i've never had a game where i was playing at highend limitation and even if i was then simply my limitation wasn't high enough. shrug.

[drusilla]

But I am seriously frustrated with Drusilla because she knows how super obvtown Tayl0r is when she’s town, so this is more disappointing coming from her than anyone especially when she was so brilliant wrt to Pooky. I think I found a Pooky post that may show that he was the one who was actually recruited and he and Tayl0r do know each other, so she definitely could have recruited him.

why do you think i don't think taylor is mafia here?

[drusilla]

why do you think i don't think taylor is mafia here?

like what led you to that conclusion about what i am thinking and your frustration with it.

[drusilla]

drusilla, do you think NM recruits Pooky? Because I don't think Pooky recruits NM

possibly? i don't really think i have enough information to say beyond i think not mafia would select non-randomly, and thus pooky would be more likely than me, for instance.

[drusilla]

THIS Is WHY PLUSJOYED Was CONFIRMED.

because i thought plusjoyed was possibly mafia with pooky and pooky disagreed?

[drusilla]

[drusilla]

shiki, let's be pseudo-lovers as apology for the bad reads <3

<3 see above post

I guess I shouldn’t assume, I just don’t see why scum!Ydrasse aligns herself with an unconfirmed slot. Yes, I keep harping on that because has anyone besides me even pointed out that argument? If I hadn’t, would anyone else even considered it? My point is that it’s in scum’s best interest to pair themselves with a confirmed slot. Why? Because confirmed town!me is obviously going to be taken a lot more seriously than unconfirmed me. Because confitown!me can only be defending scum!Ydrasse because I wrongly townread her but unconfirmed me, could presumably also be doing it for self-preservation, so from scum!Ydrass’ pov, why not make her lover a confirmed slot? That’s why I don’t think it’s Ydrasse.

because the pairs as you've just layed out would be town!isis+not mafia, town!loki+ydrasse, plusjoyed+taylor swift. so plusjoyed+taylor swift get eliminated, and ydrasse has to win a one v one on more or less even footing. as they are now ydrasse/you have an advantage over both not mafia and taylor swift built into the pairings.

[drusilla]

But why wouldn’t scum!Ydrasse have confirmed me? Even Kanna just mentioned she was concerned I wasn’t. And Idk, I have no clue how anyone else thinks, probably least of all NM but I don’t know why he’d pick me not to confirm and it makes even less sense from Ydrasse, since she’s paired with me, so I guess I’m not understanding your argument?

to pair herself with you, to have an advantage in the pairings.

[drusilla]

I still don’t get Drusilla’s argument on why scum!Ydrasse wouldn’t have aligned herself with a confirmed slot, whether it was me or not.

if town!loki's argument is to repeatedly say 'mafia would never be lovers with an unconfirmed', why would scum!ydrasse not want to be paired with town!loki?

[drusilla]

who saw that coming?

what about my case as to why pookythemagicalbear was mafia seemed completely dismissable to you?

[drusilla]

But yeah, that’s beyond seriously dumb.

do you think this is... helpful?

[drusilla]

[drusilla]

I would have (figuratively) smacked her if she had.

please NO on this.

[drusilla]

I like to place my vote where I am leaning at the time to show what I'm thinking

not mafia > ydrasse

[drusilla]

drusilla does that mean you want me to stop selfvoting?
it feels good.

no? it means i am currently thinking it is most likely not mafia, followed by ydrasse.

[drusilla]

It’s an expression,

it is not an expression i appreciate or would like to encounter.

[drusilla]

I think scum!NM would have made at least one vote on Pooky before the hammer.

would like to see the supporting evidence on this one.

[drusilla]

voting isis and voting not mafia are identical, yes?

[drusilla]

The remaining mafia may not confirm themselves as town.

i would like drusilla to weigh in on 1643

Spoiler:

grrrrrrr! bark bark bark!

RaWrR!

purrrrr!

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

[5] Not Voting: Not_Mafia, Lokie Dokie, drusilla, Kanna

the mafia will choose who to condemn

ROOOAARRR!

wrt to my earlier points, do you think pooky willingly wagons his partner in c1 like this^? and then urges everyone to hurry up with their voting while taylor is still the main wagon?

+ the deadline hammer = pretty solid towncase to me

i agree with the above.

[drusilla]

drusilla, where do you stand? do you think eliminating the unconfirmed pair first is a good idea? should we save taylor?

i am happy with eliminating the unconfirmed pair first. i think i too prefer it. then tomorrow, if necessary, taylor can make the towncase/scumcase we have been promised and we can go from there. the votes are better for town if we eliminate the unconfirmeds first anyway. also, this:

Ydrasse, Not Mafia, and Tayl0r Swift rank below you.

Ydrasse - it's more likely to have trouble getting footing in a game as scum compared to town. It feels mean when you have to scumread someone who is struggling if they are actually town, but that's how it is.
N_M - I felt like he didn't meme in any phase of the game as much as he would if town.
Tayl0r - being irritating in condemn phase is very weakly town indicative, I'm underwhelmed now. People have pointed out some possible inconsistency in her condemn phase mind set

feels like it could be helpful in trying to reverse engineer the mafia choices.

namely, loki is still moving his chess pieces in a way that makes me uneasy

Loki doesn't seem as towny when he's being reactive rather than proactive but that's probably situational and I will probably stick with my early read

and if i start to squint...

[drusilla]

What are you driving at, drusilla?

that the pairings don't feel random... and that i can find scum explanations for what is making kanna uneasy about loki's play today, even though i still think it is most likely not mafia at this time. maybe simply i spent too much time looking through the thread and coming to the previous conclusion that now i'm just connecting things that aren't there.

[drusilla]

This is right.

did you confirm plusjoyed because

plusjoyed townslip >> plusjoyed town
loki same townslip >> loki ???

you can tell me

[drusilla]

the votes are better for town if we eliminate the unconfirmeds first anyway.

[drusilla]

people still want to vote you over NM

i want to vote you over not mafia moreso than ydrasse but isis told me not to consider your alignment anymore so i am being secretive ssshhhhhhhhh

[drusilla]

On the other hand drusilla is one of the smartest people I've ever met.

this cannot be true but i am flattered. i think there are plenty of people in this game even who are smarter than me; yourself included as i find you have to explain things to me far more often than i explain to you.

Yes she is so she should realize - both her and Kanna - that scum!me can’t possibly win with Tayl0r clear, so from hers and Kanna’s pov, if I’m scum flipping town!NM what happens next? Either Ydrasee or me is flipped next right? So, as scum, I have absolutely nothing to gain by pushing NM execute. So earth-shattering-building-falling-on-head logic, I clearly have to be town.

right so if taylor is clear, do you think we will forget that between today and tomorrow if you and ydrasse are eliminated here?

[drusilla]

I think I'm a decently smart person though

i think i am also a decently smart person i guess, just in a very narrow way. like if intelligence is measuring the average elevation, i am a very flat plain with one very tall mountain.

[drusilla]

There are 4 unconfirmeds and NM is among them.

*pair of unconfirmeds, if you'd like, but i think you know that's what i meant.

[drusilla]

I think I'm a decently smart person though

i think i am also a decently smart person i guess, just in a very narrow way. like if intelligence is measuring the average elevation, i am a very flat plain with one very tall mountain.

phrasing

i use 'like' intentionally if that's what you mean. it's too hard to explain why, beyond it makes it clear that i am about to make a comparison or give an example, and i am trying to make myself easier to follow.

[drusilla]

Anyone who’s thinking logically, would reverse that but I realize no one gaf about logic, so have at it.

i am moonbrained this is true.

NM not even showing up for several days says a lot though.

it says, uh, not mafia was here.

[drusilla]

That’s fair and if I’m right, she should have no problem agreeing to this.

in which case, you would have both agreed to self-voting and should do so today.

[drusilla]

TOMORROW. I commit to doing it tomorrow because I firmly believe it’s NM, so this is terrible reasoning.

the order makes no difference. if it doesn't matter either way, why do you care so much about not mafia first?

[drusilla]

if ydrasse agrees to vote for herself tomorrow she should vote for herself today. have faith in the rest of town. we know we're town, we don't know you're town.

[drusilla]

you do know that there’s at least 1 if not 2 towns between me and Ydrasse right?

let's look at not mafia - isis. yup at least one town there too. how about plusjoyed - taylor swift? yup found a town there too.

[drusilla]

Why doesn’t one of Ydrasse/me not confirm the other, if either of us are scum?

i've answered this twenty times. is there any reason that to make the exact argument you are currently making? isn't the answer? like to say what you are saying, is a reason in and of itself.

[drusilla]

@Bugs if you feel demoralized because of a certain player, that player is scum.
Period.
End of discussion.

[drusilla]

@Bugs if you feel demoralized because of a certain player, that player is scum.
Period.
End of discussion.

[drusilla]

@Bugs if you feel demoralized because of a certain player, that player is scum.
Period.
End of discussion.

[drusilla]

I seriously want to [figurativatively in game] smack some heads

i cannot do with this

and i don't have words for it other than NO NO NO

and i asked please NO to this the first time

It’s pretty damn obvious that NM wants to execute Tayl0r

which of these posts:

VOTE: Ydrasse and Loki

Okay, someone give me a summary of what’s going on here

made this obvious to you?

[drusilla]

please vote ydrasse

[drusilla]

please vote ydrasse

I fully intend to lord this over you post-game.

i would strongly prefer if you simply did not interact with me after this game.

[drusilla]

thankyou to hectic and morning for moderating.

and thankyou to those who have been kind.

for the greater good

drusilla persisted

<3