Open 795 | Noir | Game Over

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It's 7:30 am on a Friday in September. Rain poured throughout the night, but a glance out the window showed the sun starting to fight through the clouds. I had barely started to drink my morning joe when a commotion outside caught my attention. Gathered in the town square, a number of residents seemed to be arguing. I couldn't make it out.

Upon approaching the crowd, I realized this was no simple disagreement. The townspeople were at each other's throats. I guess it's up to me settle this. I had barely begun to listen to the conversation when I was roped in. An old friend, penguinpower, started pointing at me. But for what?

Before I could respond, the crowd's attention turned elsewhere. A young girl named isis who I had recently become acquainted with said something questionable, but I didn't think much of it.

Recognizing my own excitement, I took a moment to collect myself. I realized that whatever this disagreement was about could only be solved one way: by semirandomly killing other citizens until it ended. I picked my first target.

VOTE: Taylor Swift

As I organized my thoughts I couldn't help but notice one of the voices rise above the rest, disrupting my deduction. Ah, of course. Not_Mafia, the town idiot, was yelling as well, though it seemed to be unrelated to whatever the others were going on about. I'd do well to ignore him if possible. I started to drown out the useless noise and focus on the task before me. It was time to begin.

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If you wanna write it like a novel the least you could do is put your words in italics Murdercat.

looks more authentic and shit.

Just like that, I had made another enemy.

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UNVOTE: Swift

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it is really easy to get townreads from me when i'm not sober you should be telling me sweet things rn murderkitty

Not really concerned with being town read at the moment, just trying find scum

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mudrecat gets a townlock

You misspelled

I did the same thing just worded differently. Sigh.

Not really concerned with being town read at the moment, just trying find scum

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Oops I messed that up but you get the idea

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Geniusgamer Townlocked for seeing how bad Not_Mafia's play truly is.

Good read. Townlock

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How's this Not_Mafia?

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How's this Not_Mafia?

Borked

That's the joke

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(Yay, pagetop)

So anyway, this sort of thing is exactly why I’m voting for Not_Mafia. It’s going to take a lot to change my opinion at this point.

(Okay, that wasn’t a pagetop. Pages are 25 posts long and not 15. Just ignore that.)

Which post is more newbie?

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(Yay, pagetop)

So anyway, this sort of thing is exactly why I’m voting for Not_Mafia. It’s going to take a lot to change my opinion at this point.

What did I do now?

So far, this is one of my more serious games, god help you if you played in some of my other games.

This is true

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Let's not waste any more text on NM's unique style of gameplay

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Any other contributions bob?

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If the following people could please start doing town things that would be great:

GeniusGamer
Tayl0r Swift
bob3141
Not_Mafia
ManWithNoName
Dongempire
Bambi Jay
NorwegianboyEE
Battle Mage
PenguinPower
Isis
Lost

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11 pages but it feels like nothing has happened all game

There's enough for a real wagon on TSwift so come vote

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Hypoclaiming allows the real hider to target someone they scumread, or someone who, if that person is scum, it's not good for the hider to be alive anyway, or whatever. Targeting the name above in the playerlist forces the hider to pick that arbitrary target

ehhhhh does that mean that as a weak hider you should be trying to kill yourself?

I don't think Battle Mage or Bambi has been alignment indicative in how they've addressed the question but I think Tayl0r might be slightly scummier for seeming to not put lots of thought in (I only don't feel the same way about Bambi because of knowing her meta, really)

cool wna wagon tayl0r instead?

VOTE: tayl0r

sure VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

Weak Hiders usually should be trying to kill themselves.

The morning sun pierced my eyes as I slowly lurched out of bed, "24 shifts in 27 days, thank god that's over" I thought to myself as I went down stairs to prepare my breakfast, I was greeted with a ruckus in the public square. "Just what I need" I grumbled, I went outside to investigate, it turned out three traitors lurked amongst us. I surveyed my surroundings, some familiar faces stood out, for better or worse. There was a lot of discussion happening already, "Hypoclaiming? This is the worst thing Isis has ever done. Get that MU shit out of here." I piped up. I was still none the wiser as to what the fuck Taylor Swift was talking about when she said "you dont have to rely on scum being next to each other and next to the tracker in the player list, you can simply target scummy people", would we ever get an explanation? "Fine" I declared, "if you won't tell us, we'll make you tell us". I raised my udders and aimed them at Taylor.

VOTE: Taylor Swift

if we go down the playerlist sequentially for tracking/hiding then unless the mafia are near the tracker/hider itll take forever to get results. thats basically like random targeting, and i think we can do better.

UNVOTE: Swift

UNVOTE: Swift

Isis scum found an excuse to hop off her buddy?

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VOTE: Bambi

To do this?

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Even in context I think the bambi vote / read makes no sense

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I thought we already agreed drunk Isis is a different person. Don't take too much stock in her vote there.

I don't really buy that to be honest

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if I see something interesting before I sleep I'll comment

Come vote Tswift, if not say why

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Based on this response I feel like I don't understand your BM vote. Why are you voting BM?

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Deadline: (expired on 2020-09-19 07:30:00)

also

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Boo what's the point of pressure if you are convinced someone can get out of it?

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This is the worst poking us with a stick and saying come on do something

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everyone is ok with a taylor wagon but no one has given strong reasons for a taylor wagon. what does that tell you?

You have bad posts

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hello murder! do u have reads on any1

Couple lean town reads, isis taylor scum

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hello murder! do u have reads on any1

Couple lean town reads, isis taylor scum

pls share the town reads

can you share your tayl0r read?

and also is isis scum only if tayl0r is scum? or is there something other than "hopping off her buddy" that makes her scum

vig gives town more power and more control over the game. especially if we know theres a vig we can all help to direct the shot.

i suppose i should put my money where my mouth is and VOTE: battle mage

These are actually bad, the other bad ones just sound newbie

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I liked the PP engaged with me, not going to try to read NM seriously but feels town tbh, Bambi seems good too. But too early for strong town reads.

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WERE SUPPOSED TO RP DETECTIVES

i think the first step we have to take to achieve that is lynch not mafia and then we can focus

Low effort

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hello murder! do u have reads on any1

Couple lean town reads, isis taylor scum

pls share the town reads

can you share your tayl0r read?

and also is isis scum only if tayl0r is scum? or is there something other than "hopping off her buddy" that makes her scum

Oh I forgot about Isis, yes that read is legitimate regardless, since page 1 even

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are good and bad that only way you explain your reads? because i am very unintelligent and my brain is smoking

Usually on day 1

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pls share isis read in more detail, cuz im not seeing what ure seeing. without using the words "good" or "bad" thanku

Awkward entrance imo, not buying that drunk posts should just be totally ignored

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Geniusgamer Townlocked for seeing how bad Not_Mafia's play truly is.

Good read. Townlock

Worse.

How about instead of analyzing obvious jokes you try to find scum

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Wagons are good but I do like to know why people are on the wagon to determine if I like the particular wagon enough to paint it.

zzz

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Do we have consensus agreement to this?

Pros and cons either way, if like to revisit this end of day 1

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VOTE: Dongempire

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It's E-2 I believe

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Whole lotta nothing in your iso dong

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NM is trying harder than you

Please give one read

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At least we will having some to talk about tomorrow, I'm hoping that the fact dong hasn't reacted is telling

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Skip ahead isis

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Because we didn't hypo let's go with bm plan for hider

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That would be standard operating procedure yes

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If town can't win through a bad town player getting eliminated on day 1 we don't deserve it

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Did you call me... bad?

I think letting yourself get lol hammered because you self voted as town is antitown, you might be a good player or scum, I was speaking generally

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Your post count has yet to reach even double digits

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VOTE: genius

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If we hurry we might be able to get 2 today

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If we hurry we might be able to get 2 today

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Guys i asked worst and he said we were allowed to lynch one more guy

It's only fair, the first shouldn't count

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jokes

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Being on wagons is fun though

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Being on wagons is fun though

well now that there's been a hammer

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Are you just going to try and top every page with that post? It doesn’t really help.

It doesn't help you

Imagine never having done a % pagetop analysis to win a game on the last day

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Genius gamer isn't phonetically alliterative, only in how it's written. I prefer auditory alliteration

It's pronounced jeniusjamer

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Votes no longer count because the day is over.

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Should hider do two up tonight?

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Omgus

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VOTE: bob3141

Need to hear from bob

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MURDERCAT, what do you think about mwnn's play this phase?

Like the 2 posts before this? I have none?

I thought the iso was scummy while I was waiting for the day to start but I don't know now.

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PP what do you want to see from Norwegian? Willing to put a vote there, but don't want to put a 4th atm (for obvi reasons).

Town needs to start making progress now that we have info, still seems like a lotta nothin going on

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until i figure out where i want my vote, i'll just choochoo

VOTE: norway

so if penguin thinks someone is scummy thats good enough for you? why is PP town?

I feel like stuff like this is just noise

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bob

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PP what do you want to see from Norwegian? Willing to put a vote there, but don't want to put a 4th atm (for obvi reasons).

Town needs to start making progress now that we have info, still seems like a lotta nothin going on

I guess penguin is gone so here's my suggestion, a read for everyone in the player list to give us something to talk about

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PP what do you want to see from Norwegian? Willing to put a vote there, but don't want to put a 4th atm (for obvi reasons).

Town needs to start making progress now that we have info, still seems like a lotta nothin going on

I guess penguin is gone so here's my suggestion, a read for everyone in the player list to give us something to talk about

who is this for

The ether I guess

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FOS murdercat for voting bob. trying to silence bob before he can give his thoughts on the game?

We all have regrets

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he was most threatening to Bambi Jay..

That probably wasn't what they were thinking about

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What happened yesterday. Who thought it was a good idea to lynch a player less than two days into the game. I make posts in rvs and come back next day to see the day already finished

Who do you think

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Lost, ManWithNoName, t, MURDERCAT, NorwegianBoyEE, t, Not_Mafia


I wouldnt expect more than one scum in that list. The wagon is so early and quick it reminds me of a similar wagon that was all town in another game. (didnt end in lynch as there was no self vote)

If NM is scum I think there could be 2, but I agree it probably wasn't pushed by scum

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To me PP seems like they are trying to seem towny and I wasn't sure if I should read it as scummy or not

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GeniusGamer ??
Tayl0r Swift -
bob3141 +++ town savior (?/+)
Not_Mafia ??
ManWithNoName ?
Dongempire x
Bambi Jay +
NorwegianboyEE +
MURDERCAT <3
Battle Mage x
PenguinPower ?
Isis +
Lost +

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VOTE: PP

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I'm confused about PP but feeling good about norwegian and isis and the bob vote is obviously going nowhere

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I'm confused about PP but feeling good about norwegian and isis and the bob vote is obviously going nowhere

Do you have sufficient history with norwegian and isis to show either of them as particularly prolific scum hunters?

Not sure why this would matter, I already said I want clarity on PP too

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Don’t see MURDERCAT going along with a BM kill actaully

I'm curious as to why but not really for game reasons

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I am trying to figure out why voting to PP rather than what is presumably a scum read in your list is superior play to get "clarity" we have lost two town members, I would think one would be more likely to pursue a scum read if there is no basis that two town reads are better at scum hunting than an average player.

it's early

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I'm not sure i want a NM elimination today. Yes, what he did was really lame. But it's not inherently scummy for him because he does things like that all the time.
I like to have an open mind when it comes to players doing hyper scummy things for the heck of it. It doesn't mean they can't be town.

If NM is town and we eliminate there we end up in a really bad spot. I don't think just the hammer is enough evidence to vote there

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I'd figure scum!NM would be more careful about blatantly lolhammering

disagree

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If two players i townread were voting an ambiguous slot i don't see the issue in voting there. Not just because theyt might have better reads, but going purely by probability it is a higher chance that a wagon pushed by mostly town would be on scum.

bingo

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Although, if Murdercat prefers voting Taylor then that wagon would have just as much traction if they switched right now.

not really because that wagon happened already day 1

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People give him a free pass.

I do agree with this, I think we need to look beyond the lolhammer

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And what do you want to do on day 3 if he flips town, GG? We would be screwed.

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GG who do you think is scum with NM?

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I’m not sure. Though I do think it could be Tayl0r or NorwegianBoyEE. For now, my vote remains on the person I am the most convinced is scum.

How about you try to advance the game state instead?

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I was going to wait for a response but it feels like GG was coached to tunnel NM today

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The longer this sits there more confident I feel in it

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GG had done nothing else

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UNVOTE:

hmmmm

can someone sell the pp scumcase to me

PP has done a lot of town adjacent questioning without really hard pushing anywhere. I'd like to see some more solid reads now that we have more info

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I like bob, MWNN, and nm for town.

VOTE: Taylor

what about me

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Hmm, ok i think GeniusGamer might be town, he should be voting elsewhere though.
Bambi Jay might be playing bad, but they don't have a scum agenda. Mafia is elsewhere imo.

Ha I had the exact opposite reaction

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sigh.

fine then. Guess the vote is all that really matters.

VOTE: Pengu

Penguin is NM-1

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Hmm, ok i think GeniusGamer might be town, he should be voting elsewhere though.
Bambi Jay might be playing bad, but they don't have a scum agenda. Mafia is elsewhere imo.

Ha I had the exact opposite reaction

On my read of both?

No just to GG, though I don't have a strong bambi read. I felt like we put a tiny amount of pressure on GG and all of a sudden "oh wait here is someone else who is scum I'm scum hunting for real"

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This is the main reason I didn't want to vote. Bleh.

Well anyone other than NM who votes for PP now is obv scum if PP flips town so I think it's fine

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I thought it was a pun on people phasing out the L word so instead of L it went MN like the alphabet.

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GG who is your biggest town read?

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You are a murderkitty and hurt my feelings.

I understand, if you are town it will become clear soon I think

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Don’t even try that meta excuse, Penguin. Meta should not remove Not_Mafia from immediate suspicion at the beginning of a game with posts like his. One should judge players based on their actions during the particular game they’re playing in, not any others.

Oh, so you're one of those "meta is trash" people.

It's not.

PP could you take a look at https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11984311?

And based on that / whatever else, do you think GG is noob town or scum?

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Honestly take a look through GG's iso for this game, there is basically no actual game talk. I'm not sure if GG is purposefully playing up the noob angle or the I don't get the jokes thing, but regardless of all that there is no actual solving happening

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Probably scum.

In this game?

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Does anyone actually think GG is town? Odds of NM and GG being scum together?

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GG why don't you list all your reads? I asked you before for a town read and you ignored it

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Who do you trust?

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Also I don't think you've explained your tayl0r read

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Not_Mafia, Bambi, and Tayl0r Swift are at the top of the scumminess list, I’ll tell you that.

This is the noobtowniest list ever

I don't like this post

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Come on GG, stop posting in the scum thread and come talk to me

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Who do you trust?

Myself. And possibly also Bob.

Why bob?

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He has had generally good reads

Can you give a couple of examples?

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<3

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*knock knock*

Anybody home gamer?

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Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

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Talk to me

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You want to know the story behind the frequency with which I hear those two lines?

Yes actually

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VOTE: gamer

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I've heard those 2 lines in memes for years. Never knew that there was a full song honestly.

You aren't familiar with the musical stylings of simon and garfunkel? You are missing out

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My daughter, for the last two years, has sung those two lines to me whenever something sad or something she didn’t like happens.

That's nice, hopefully not too many occasions to sing it

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Geez, do I have to announce whenever I take a break? Silence on this site for such periods of time says nothing about a player’s alignment or skill.

I agree, as long as you answer them eventually

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I can imagine

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*bobman

Y tho

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Isis I thought we were town together but now you are sketching me out with your bob read

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I want this to be the universe where we are town together, I don't like the other two.

The other two being? Are you concerned about the universe where you are scum?

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It was inception the whole time.

While you are here taylor vote gamer

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Sure I can make a full case in the morning

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Alright, I’ve finally managed to read through the game so far. First of all, what

is

hypoclaiming exactly?

mudrecat gets a townlock

Woah there. Just because Murder Cat says they only care about finding scum, you’re convinced that they’re town? That’s pretty odd if you ask me.

Also,

what is Not_Mafia doing

? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen. First claiming Jester, which isn’t even in the setup, then claiming mafia in a serious manner (well, serious relative to the rest of their posts)? VOTE: Not_Mafia

In here is a lot of stuff talking about NM meta

(Yay, pagetop)

So anyway, this sort of thing is exactly why I’m voting for Not_Mafia. It’s going to take a lot to change my opinion at this point.

Rather than engaging with it, GG is just tunneling NM.

Yikes, lots to catch up on.

So... I still think N_M should be eliminated. If this is the best he can do, we should just vote him out. He didn’t even give Dong a chance to claim or defend themself before hammering.

If Not_Mafia can’t contribute enough, I’m going to vote for him every day until he either convinces me that he isn’t the scummiest person in the game or is voted out.

Just because Not_Mafia apparently plays like this every game doesn’t mean it’s any less scummy. If anybody else acted like this, I bet they’d be eliminated way faster than this

It does mean that though. Otherwise, he would be scum in every game. He's not scum in every game.

He may or may not be scum, that much is true.

But whatever he’s doing, it’s certainly not playing Mafia in a pro-town way. There is no point in allowing him to remain in the game. He is the scummiest person here right now. If you can convince me that someone is scummier than him, I’ll be happy to vote for them.

This is weird backpedalling to me, does noob town say this while tunneling? You are so convinced NM is scum now all of a sudden you are voting for them for policy reasons? Is he scum or not? To me, noob town here concludes that Isis is scum protecting NM.

So who’s your suggested target for second elimination Geniusgamer?

Either Not_Mafia or Tayl0r Swift, preferably Not_Mafia. They’re the scummiest players so far.

This taylor read never had and still hasn't had a justification

NM could be eliminated every single time he lolhammered and he would still take every lolhammer available in all his games

Well... too bad, I guess. I mean, if someone refuses to play the game, they get the consequences.

GG who do you think is scum with NM?

I’m not sure. Though I do think it could be Tayl0r or NorwegianBoyEE. For now, my vote remains on the person I am the most convinced is scum.

In here I pressure GG for tunneling and not contributing.

Are you going to deliberately underperform to prove a point of independence?

Yes. Whatcha gonna do about it?

I’ll be back for you, Not_Mafia. But I’m afraid I’ve just found a scummier person.

VOTE: Bambi Jay

You just admitted that you’re

intentionally

underperforming without a good reason, and it doesn’t sound like you’re joking.. That’s the kind of thing scum does, though why you would admit it is a mystery to me... actually, maybe you’re partners with N_M, and you guys think you’ll cruise through the game with a lack of contribution due to bias towards you from other players!

Actually, that last part is really unlikely. I doubt that you’re partners.

You start contributing

or else

.

Literally this bambi claim is from nowhere. Also, this is the thing that is worse than the lolhammer? To me this was a reaction to my pressure.

GG who is your biggest town read?

Multiple places like this where GG has a chance to interact and instead chooses to tunnel or get into arguments.

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*deep breath*

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Look at how much more game talk there is in the newbie iso: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11984311

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MURDERCAT if you were scum it would break my heart

<3

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Again, what did I say about meta?

What about everything else I said?

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> What do you mean, “NM meta”. I don’t use meta and certainly didn’t use or allude to using it here. Also, it’s impossible to be certain that someone is scum in this setup. I don’t know that N_M is scum, I think he’s scum, as he is likely to be scum. It’s basic semantics.

I'm saying other players are trying to interact with you and instead of doing that you tunneled.

> So how is my scumread on Bambi out of nowhere? She’s already been scummy (my exact sources will be specified right after I finish this post), and that post made it especially clear that she’s likely to be scum.

Literally your last post before your bambi read came out of nowhere

> Did you not read my earlier posts? Most of what it in this post has already been stated. Take, for example, when I said that arguments about alignment are the heart and soul of mafia. X trying to convince everyone that Y is scum, while Y defends themself or tries to prove that Z is scum.

> Oh, and your claim that I’m tunneling N_M? You think it’s tunneling because I use every other post of his as evidence towards his scumminess. This usually looks like tunneling. Except that every other post of Not_Mafia’s is scummy! Therefore, my targeting of him is entirely justified. Not to mention that I’ve expressed a couple of other scumreads.

What I am pointing out is that you aren't interacting with other players in a pro town way. You have your NM read and your other reads, but you aren't actually fighting for your supposedly strong reads and you aren't trying to interact with anyone. You say "this looks scummy" and argue with people. We are telling you that the lolhammer isn't good enough for us to think NM is scum, so if you are so sure of that read why aren't you trying to convince us using other things NM has done?

> I love (yes, I’m using the right word here; this is very enjoyable) how nobody here likes me. It’s like you know you’re wrong and hold a grudge against me for it. I’ve backed up all my arguments, and all of them have been game-related (except for that one with Bambi, which she started). So what exactly is wrong with what I’m doing? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I like you GG, I just think you are scummy

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oops I forgot to keep bolding my reponses

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What’s with the “noob town” thing anyway? You’re acting like MafiaScum.net is the only way to play Mafia, and if you haven’t played there often, you’re a Mafia newbie.

"Noob town" refers also to how much you know that players on this particular site, which does actually matter despite your insisting that it doesn't.

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ManWithNoName (1): Not_Mafia

Why this NM if he is VLA?

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yeah why is your vote on bambi if youre pushing NM?

I’m pushing both of them. I

did

say I would give reasons today, and I will. Today. And if I don’t.... well, you’re welcome to vote me?

I still want to understand your taylor read as well

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I don’t think GG would be an bad wagon, i’m just comfortable where i am right now.

Pretty sure you are town so I'm with you, but I'm not really getting scummy vibes from PP. My main worry was that PP felt kind of towny but when I looked through the iso there wasn't a ton there to actually feel confident in that, which made me feel nervous.

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Who do you trust?

Myself. And possibly also Bob.

Why do you trust me?

With the quick day one resulting in me having little input. I cant see how really my slot is more than null to anyone. How can you get a read on slot that day one came into teh thread, did rvs stuff. And the next day when he went to post foudn he couldnt as aload of people had itchy fingers. And felt the best course of action was to scratch them with rock while hitting dong. Dong to apparently.


Day two starting in the middle of my working week giving little time to explain my reads.

exactly

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Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

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That was an overview of her scummiest actions. There are a few miscellaneous other odd actions and my gut read, but whatever.

To be honest I don't really see anything there. I'd like to understand your bob and taylor reads if you haven't posted about them already

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Innocent until proven guilty. Since you haven’t done anything scummy, I default to tentative trusting.

So everyone is scum to you but the nonposter?

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Do you disagree with me? If so, please explain in detail exactly what you disagree with.

You take one off jokes too seriously

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I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

But probabilistically this is just not true, and with bob you thought innocent until proven guilty. So what has isis done that you think is scummy?

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My gosh, can you not be pleased with a simple explanation? Does it take a novel for you to believe the reasoning behind my actions?

No, I genuinely trying to understand your reasoning in case you are actually town

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Again, that’s not what I said. The people who haven’t done anything scummy are the people I trust.

But, if I understand correctly, this is only you and bob?

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Spoiler:

Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

See, that’s not what I said. You people would make great sleazy politicians that are secretly working with the mafia to mislim people.

I did not say she is scum. I did not say I think she’s scum. I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

Really? I don’t think Isis was really playing that terribly. She talked a lot about what the hider should do and have a few reads as well. I, for one,

welcome our new insect overlords

think that Isis is probably town.

pretty sure this is simply a scum!gamer forgetting his own read manufactures and scumslipping. He was discussing day1 posts here, the same ones that were all he had to work with when he stated this read before.
can't really indulge NM's desire to be amused with something this clear and obvious. VOTE: GG

general acknowledgment that this seems bad

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let's not let NM hammer, we are effectively at E-1

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No. That list was a list of the people I trust most.

So where is Isis on that list from trusts a lot to no trust? 4th? 8th? ballpark

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I am particularly interested in PP's thoughts about the current game state

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I was going to post this regardless of that last post, but I think if GG flips scum I would lean towards NM scum as well.

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Somewhere near the divide between scumminess and towniness, on the scummy side.

I'd be interested in a general grouping along the lines of but with more separation if you think it warrants it:

{bob}
{everyone else?}
{bambi, taylor, NM}

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Why so mudrecat?

I'd have to reread to really claim this, but I thought GG was being coached and NM was distancing. But that's neither here nor there, just wanted to get it out there

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So you and N_M agree that I’m supposedly scummy because I don’t quite fit in to your inflexible, predesigned mood of “town”.

GG I feel like I've laid out a good case for why I think you are scummy, if you want to engage about it I'd be happy to hear it

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If I were scum, my partners would discreetly bus me just to get me out of their PT.

You have 4 votes on you, no?

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Could you please make clear your case? Collect it into an essay, link to the relevant posts, whatever. I don’t see any solid evidence towards me being scum.

To sum up, I don't feel like your reads make sense, e.g. the flip flop on Isis. I didn't feel like you explained that in your posts. Also, when I try to engage with you it seems like you'd rather not, but you haven't said why. Maybe you think I'm scum? But you do have to find other townies as town to win. How many times have I asked for clarification on Taylor?

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Also, GG at this point the tides are against you. If you are town, I'd like to see some evidence of the town things you think you've been doing.

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Fair enough

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quack who

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GG is there anything in that list you think you wouldn't have done as scum? Is there anything in that list you think no one would have done as scum? If you are town I'd like to know, I'm not trying to trap you. To me, these are things that you could have feasibly done as scum.

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Nope. I would behave in almost exactly the same way if I were scum.

You understand then that I don't find any of those things particularly relevant for determining if you are town

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Except that the example I gave fits in the “things I won’t list here” section.

Right, I'm saying I want more things from that section please.

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Who's in favour of just pulling the life support on this unpleasant memory from 2008-2012.

No not yet

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I am sad you feel this way GG, I'm happy to have you in the game. I think you have put in effort which I like. I just happen to think you are scum.

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Bambi was not joking.

How do you know this?

Bambi’s backtracking upon me actually showing suspicion did not look like the response of someone who simply tried to crack a joke. It looked like someone becoming overly defensive after a slip was brought to light.

Ive played with scum bambi before. And this realy doesnt look the same. Unless he is taking a different style this game im prety sure he is town.

Hello Bob, can I interest you in an FOS on gamer?

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Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

See, that’s not what I said. You people would make great sleazy politicians that are secretly working with the mafia to mislim people.

I did not say she is scum. I did not say I think she’s scum. I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

Really? I don’t think Isis was really playing that terribly. She talked a lot about what the hider should do and have a few reads as well. I, for one,

welcome our new insect overlords

think that Isis is probably town.

pretty sure this is simply a scum!gamer forgetting his own read manufactures and scumslipping. He was discussing day1 posts here, the same ones that were all he had to work with when he stated this read before.
can't really indulge NM's desire to be amused with something this clear and obvious. VOTE: GG

What about this bob

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Well, if that piece of meta is generally accurate, he’s probably town.

What

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He actually accepted meta. But it was from Bob.

Bob is truly the Avatar.

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GG I'm confused about why you seem to trust bob so much. Don't you agree he hasn't really posted enough for you to be confident? Bob himself said that I think

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NM, bob, GG scum team is too easy right?

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Does scum bob really jump in here to try to save scum GG? Probably not, right? I'm really looking for any evidence you are town GG, looking forward to that post later.

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FYI again because you seem to be going that way bob, no more votes on GG at the moment

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I'd like to hear from lost and anyone else who hasn't posted about GG

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GG would you like more time over the weekend to clarify more?

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No worries. In the meantime I'm curious as to who from your scum list is most likely to be eliminated today and who overall you think is most likely?

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The dynamics around the wagon make me feel weird but I don't know I feel like I haven't seen anything that makes me doubt me read. Hence why I am desperate for GG to give me something if they are truly town. I do not want to flip a town GG today, same as NM I think it would not be very informative.

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GG what is your read on me?

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I could see NM scum with GG. Or anyone who just hasn't commented or gave a probably scum and left it at that

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I feel like no one is really pushing GG which makes me feel more confident, but no one is really defending him, which makes me wonder if scum is just waiting to see if we commit on it. This is all separate from the actual play of GG which looks very scummy to me.

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I could see NM scum with GG. Or anyone who just hasn't commented or gave a probably scum and left it at that

you mentioned something about nm coaching gg but didn't quote/link it. can you share more on that

also who's the 3rd

PP is an example of someone who could be waiting and watching

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you mentioned something about nm coaching gg but didn't quote/link it. can you share more on that

I'm not sure I have a specific example, I could look. But my intuition was to just have NM and GG distance after the lolhammer and try to paint GG as noobtown as that's what I would do as scum

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nobody pushing gg makes you more confident?

I don't feel like scum jumped on in an attempt to get a bad miselim through

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also in reply to 1147: yes, some example would be nice

I will remember to do this tomorrow

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Also no guarantee my feels will be the same after looking closely

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PP is an example of someone who could be waiting and watching

are you naming pp as the third scum, or just naming pp as one of the potential 3rd scum because of the way he postures himself wrt gg

The later, man with no name is someone else who could be doing the same thing

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yeah but what people look for is not whether opinions changed. its whether they can see what the person saw that changed your mind. and i see you saying "x is town" or "x is more likely scum" but i havent seen reasoning why. i cant really follow your progression. like you say "this post is kinda scummy" but then youll say the poster is town. i dont see a logical thought progression.

Good post

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interesting that gg is absent from this list. why is it that the person you're voting and is currently discussed didnt make it into the scumpile... hmmm

I was asking GG from a list like that, those are not my reads

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unrelated, could someone remind me who my scumreads are please?

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mwnn has been on v/la, i think that plays a part in his activity and involvement, no?

Totally, mwnn could come back and react to it all, or maybe he just gives something non-committal, we have to wait and see.

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As of right now, Geniusgamer/Penguin/Taylor
In no particular order of preference.

Not convinced about Taylor

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do you see gg bussing tayl0r even though he doesn't have to?

Great point

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I think Swift is towny
1178 could be that super fancy cognitive load tell I've heard about since it's illogical shade when Taylor's earlier post was a joke. I have yet to try messing with that dark magic (the way it's been explained to me is scum are more likely to misinterpret a joke because they've got more stuff on their mind due to being scum)

If lost is scum they are doing a better job of being town than half the playerlist

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who is the scummiest person and why?

ooof that's tough

i'd say gg. give me a while to pull some concrete stuff together

spicy take. scummy player says the most widely scumread player is probably scum but has to go find reasons because he doesnt have any.

im kinda twisting words here, but... is that the best you can do?

who is the second scummiest player to you and why then? i dont really care how you read gg. everyone is skeptical of gg, so theres not a whole lot to be learned about your unique thoughts there.

Fire

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tl;dr:
reads are poorly supported, lazy. typical scum emulating scumhunting kind of reads. never really bothers to look beyond textbook tells, which imo are important with this playerlist.
rigid playstyle makes me think scum sticking to his format, as opposed to if he were town and being able to adapt and not worry about getting caught.

Good post

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Lol like I would ever strategise or co-operate with my partners

It's bob behind the scene organizing it all obviously, we are just puppets

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More from lost was very helpful. I feel like I want to see more from PP, more from bob, and obviously more from MWNN today. And I want anything from GG that's seems towny

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It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

GG people in this sir have player a lot of Mafia, they usually don't make mistakes like that. You have to look deeper

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It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

GG people in this sir have player a lot of Mafia, they usually don't make mistakes like that. You have to look deeper

GG people on this site have played*

I get the general meaning of your post, but can you clear up that typo?

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we? since this is a joke post im going to go ahead and assume that the "scumslip" was on purpose. but i still want to put this in my iso.

we all here refers to everyone in the game who is not bob

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I have seen nothing from GG that says he is town and yet it feels like this wagon is too easy if it's scum. Everyone is either on GG or is generally ok with the course of events so far. Definitely no hammer before we get MWNN input.

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Yeah newbie games are babies slap fighting each other. And I don't see much reason otherwise to trust you over Lost.

So... playing in a newbie game automatically makes you a baby? That’s what you’re implying, but experienced players often play newbie games.

Also, what has Lost done that makes you find him trustworthy?

GG you are doing too much stuff like this and not enough actual scum hunting if you are actually town

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Prompting Bambi about Lost isn’t considered scumhunting?

Asking questions is easy building cases is hard

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GeniusGamer (4): MURDERCAT, PenguinPower, Isis, NorwegianboyEE, Not_Mafia

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