Open 795 | Noir | Game Over

[bob3141]

VOTE: GeniusGamer

There is onyl room for one none voter

[bob3141]

interesting we have two large wagons so soon

[bob3141]

Two large wagons im leaning towards having proactive scum. So my usual rvs wagon read is prob worthless this game

[bob3141]

What happened yesterday. Who thought it was a good idea to lynch a player less than two days into the game. I make posts in rvs and come back next day to see the day already finished

[bob3141]

That wagon was so bad i doubt it was scum heavy.

[bob3141]

bob has the skill, experience, and meta to read anybody in this playerlist.

dont jinx me

When some says something like that i do the proverbial tripping over a log

[bob3141]

VOTE: Taylor swift

I feel liek scum is mostly a player that was neither on dong aswell as player pushing on some on it.

Also befoer battle voted dong. He was pushign taylor

[bob3141]

also i don't have a solid read on PP, but i'm inclined to think he's town just out of gut.

so you dont have any scumreads to try and start a wagon on? and your strongest townread is a "meh, gut"?

VOTE: lost

when did i ever say my strongest townread was PP?

well if you had a scumread presumably youd just go vote them. and if you're gonna sheep someone presumably its your top townread? its not like PP presented a great case for why norway is scum. i dunno, if im wrong walk me through whats going on in your head.

Looks like easrly positioning

[bob3141]

Lost, ManWithNoName, t, MURDERCAT, NorwegianBoyEE, t, Not_Mafia


I wouldnt expect more than one scum in that list. The wagon is so early and quick it reminds me of a similar wagon that was all town in another game. (didnt end in lynch as there was no self vote)

[bob3141]

ctachup later today

[bob3141]

running out of time to ctachup today. 10 mins

You better not all hammer before i get another look

[bob3141]

gut says PP is town.

[bob3141]

bambi can go in the provisionally town list

[bob3141]

Who do you trust?

Myself. And possibly also Bob.

Why do you trust me?

With the quick day one resulting in me having little input. I cant see how really my slot is more than null to anyone. How can you get a read on slot that day one came into teh thread, did rvs stuff. And the next day when he went to post foudn he couldnt as aload of people had itchy fingers. And felt the best course of action was to scratch them with rock while hitting dong. Dong to apparently.


Day two starting in the middle of my working week giving little time to explain my reads.

[bob3141]

I could understand if you were being free with your town reads. But you say yourself and me. I can only assume you mean that you trust the person because you think they town. As why would you trust some if you were not sure if they were scum or town.

[bob3141]

Bambi was not joking.

How do you know this?

Bambi’s backtracking upon me actually showing suspicion did not look like the response of someone who simply tried to crack a joke. It looked like someone becoming overly defensive after a slip was brought to light.

Ive played with scum bambi before. And this realy doesnt look the same. Unless he is taking a different style this game im prety sure he is town.

[bob3141]

Im realy not getting the scum vib from GG that others are getting. First impression just looks town fresh from the newbie games.

[bob3141]

GG is there anything in that list you think you wouldn't have done as scum? Is there anything in that list you think no one would have done as scum? If you are town I'd like to know, I'm not trying to trap you. To me, these are things that you could have feasibly done as scum.

Nope. I would behave in almost exactly the same way if I were scum. Though there’s stuff that’s not on the list that I wouldn’t have done as scum. In particular...

I obviously wouldn’t be on N_M for so long and so viciously if I were scum. I think my partners would have told me to stop. I did not because I’m town and I am almost certain that he’s scum.

NM is a hard player to read. But his hammer is actualy prety town indicative. He really likes his lolhammers as town. In his scum game i didnt see him lolhammer once

[bob3141]

Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

See, that’s not what I said. You people would make great sleazy politicians that are secretly working with the mafia to mislim people.

I did not say she is scum. I did not say I think she’s scum. I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

Really? I don’t think Isis was really playing that terribly. She talked a lot about what the hider should do and have a few reads as well. I, for one,

welcome our new insect overlords

think that Isis is probably town.

pretty sure this is simply a scum!gamer forgetting his own read manufactures and scumslipping. He was discussing day1 posts here, the same ones that were all he had to work with when he stated this read before.
can't really indulge NM's desire to be amused with something this clear and obvious. VOTE: GG

What about this bob

I see a rather questionable post by Isis. I see two stances by gamer 3 days apart. 15 september isis was in the top half of his reads. 18 september isis was in the bottom half of his reads. If there is progression I can see that as quite reasonable.

Reading through gamers Iso now.

If there is progression by gamer then I would think it's quite selective quoting by isis. If gamer was talking in 18 september about his read on 15 september then thats a different story.

[bob3141]

GG is there anything in that list you think you wouldn't have done as scum? Is there anything in that list you think no one would have done as scum? If you are town I'd like to know, I'm not trying to trap you. To me, these are things that you could have feasibly done as scum.

Nope. I would behave in almost exactly the same way if I were scum. Though there’s stuff that’s not on the list that I wouldn’t have done as scum. In particular...

I obviously wouldn’t be on N_M for so long and so viciously if I were scum. I think my partners would have told me to stop. I did not because I’m town and I am almost certain that he’s scum.

NM is a hard player to read. But his hammer is actualy prety town indicative. He really likes his lolhammers as town. In his scum game i didnt see him lolhammer once

Interesting. Very weird though, considering it would help him much more as scum. Well, if that piece of meta is generally accurate, he’s probably town. Which means I wasted about a quarter of my game advancing content for nothing. Though I’d make that sacrifice any time.

In my experience 80% of lol hammers are done by town. half the time its due to teh player not checking the vote count. In one game 3 different town players lol hammered. Two townies killed and one scum killed.

[bob3141]

And early wagons tend to be scum light. As in the few days there inst much to go off. So scum are less likely to make any big pushes.

NorwegianBoyEE, , Not_Mafia

What do scum gain by becoming high profile so early. Both players if they were scum would be more likely to push a vanity wagon. As at that stage it would just look like a player pushing his reads. Wouldnt be suprised if that wagon infact caught scum off guard

[bob3141]

Read GG iso. I cant realy see much progression on Isis. Its mostly ?????

The only thing i could see that could explain a flip from town isis to scum isis. Is a bad read relating to him claiming bambi and isis could be bussing. And that was rather weak reasoning

[bob3141]

He actually accepted meta. But it was from Bob.

Bob is truly the Avatar.

What is it with every one this game trying to jinx me.

[bob3141]

For clarification, the “sacrifice” is me wasting about a quarter of my game advancing content in return for a presumably confirmed townie.

Spoiler: Non-Game-Related Stuff — Because Having Fun is Fun

Add “rapping” to my list of Zuckerburgian skills.

How is it sacrifice. The way you said that leaves me feeling like your trying to claw townie points.

Why did you only accept nm lolhammering forte until i mentioned it. When your isis scum read seems to have come from her pushing that nm lolhammering isnt ai

[bob3141]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Looking over some of the posts again, nobody really comes close to the kind of scuminess Not_Mafia is radiating. And no, I’m not voting for him because of Bob, just to clear that up.

why is it not scummy for NM to lolhammer? is this not the sort of thing that results in policy lynches around here?

5 Years of meta?

Don’t even try that meta excuse, Penguin. Meta should not remove Not_Mafia from immediate suspicion at the beginning of a game with posts like his. One should judge players based on their actions during the particular game they’re playing in, not any others.

When it was given here by pp as well.


Did you think the scum team was isis, pp and NM

As if you though one of pp and isis was town. Then why wouldnt you listen to that meta and do quick skim of nm vote count meta.

And later you pushed that bambi and isis could be bussing. As later you still talk to nm as if he was scum.

Mines the lolhammering did you have any other reason that you suspected NM?

[bob3141]

I'd like to hear from lost and anyone else who hasn't posted about GG

probably scum

also gotta leave this here while i catch up.

How... unsubstantial. I feel insulted by the fact that your read on me is not a 10-page psychological analysis.

it's more substantial than your bambi case that's for sure

let me read posts i'm 10 pages behind

Pro Tip: I don’t really find it helpful to post

before

you’ve caught up. Also, I don’t think you’re in a position to call my posting unsubstantial when you have under 100 — actually, I’ll be generous — 75 posts at this point in the game.

Why do you think post number matters. And i would say most of your posts are unsubstantial. What reasoning there is in your posts is weak.

An example is how you try and push isis and bambi in one posts as partners. But never actualy come up with any reasoning as to why each one is scum. You say oh they must be buddies. Not even goign into why you think their exchnage that you quoted is AI. And how it lead you to that thought.

[bob3141]

By golly Ms. Molly, this guy really doesn't have a sense of humor at all.

Humor is not a sense. Humor is for losers.

Then you have fluff posts like this

[bob3141]

i think someone needs to lynch Genius guys, his lack of contribution is unacceptable

*Cough* Hypocrite! *Cough*

Post count in itself doesn’t matter (though my post count has, in fact, reached the double digits). I have a particularly busy life to live. Also, I have called you out for not only your posting style, but also your hammer of Dong before he could defend himself. I see you as scum, so I will vote for you until you’re eliminated.

On a tangentially related note, we’re not really supposed to use the word “lynch” anymore.

Here you go on about post count. Yet claim lost cant criticize your posts due to lower post count

[bob3141]

Im so tempted to try and make some lolhammer town meta. But in all seriousness Gamer its time to claim

[bob3141]

Of course when we want a claim Genius goes to charge his batteries.

Considering how fast he was to reply before he got to l-1. This is starting to feel like stalling. I cant see him not noticing he was at l-1.

[bob3141]

And to be clear i did give intent yesterday gamer.

[bob3141]

ill be hammering between lunch and dinner 4 hours ish


So gamer its time to claim

[bob3141]

Everyone fine with me hammering now. or do you want me to wait alittle longer

[bob3141]

Bambi Jay, Isis, Lost, Not_Mafia. You're all members of the townblock.
Bob3141, Penguinpower can be honorary members.

Tayl0r and ManWithNoName. I don't townread you two at all right now, so if you are town. Feel free to start convincing me who else would be scum ASAP.

Those two names are top of my list for scum too.

[bob3141]

bambi who can we check off as confirmed town in addition to nord

[bob3141]

Just a reminder that Norwegian is not actually mechanically cleared since GG was jail keeper. I also don't like the turnaround from Norway on PP slot, weren't you pushing him Day 2?

Why would nord not be mech clear if bambi is in fact town?

[bob3141]

If bambi claimed to hide behind and nord and as we know bambi is alive. So if bambi is infact a hider why do you think nord coudl still be scum

[bob3141]

Just a reminder that Norwegian is not actually mechanically cleared since GG was jail keeper. I also don't like the turnaround from Norway on PP slot, weren't you pushing him Day 2?

Why would nord not be mech clear if bambi is in fact town?

Bambi could have been the JK target

What makes you think gamer jailed bambi?

[bob3141]

Bob there seems to be an somewhat abrupt switch where you go from thinking GG is noobtown straight from the newbie queue to scummy. Is there any particular reason you changed your mind when you did?

I always feel bad lynching newbies if they are town. And any one who think me and gg could be partners is taking a rather simplistic view.


If i was gamer buddy to be frank i would of thrown him under the bus straight away. And i doubt you would of have had easy time getting him lynched with me as his partner. as i would of been doing the leg work in the private to help him.


The fact he said i trust your read should be taken as sure sign im town. As a scum me would tell him not to do such rubbish. Only reason for scum to do such thing is either to create associations or to try to win slots over that could be the decider on your lynch.

[bob3141]

Oh and if you read my posts I only say first impressions. Thats before I actualy read through his ISO while also cross checking prior posts. Rather than the initial quick skim. If you dont think the first thing i do as scum is read my partners iso then your sorely mistaken

[bob3141]

If i was gamer buddy to be frank i would of thrown him under the bus straight away. And i doubt you would of have had easy time getting him lynched with me as his partner. as i would of been doing the leg work in the private to help him.

dat consecutive sentence dissonance

see exhibit A i only went to vote for him when it was hammer time. I held of at the request of other players.

If i was scum i would of been at the 3-4 vote mark on that wagon. Gamers reads would look allot better as i would be giving im full posts suggestions in the private. All the while i would sabotage the wagon from the inside. Scum me on wagon would look no different to town me on the wagon. But the result is a wagon that seems to get restistance even though the scum are voting it.


Exhibit B a vt was killed. If i was scum i would of made the kill choices and i have good track record day one for town pr kills

[bob3141]

read my 2148 day one and the scum pt

[bob3141]

take a meta dive and just see what im like as scum.

See how i bus my partner with the intent of saving them. Where is bus them but keep giving them hints and tips how to get out of it. All the while making others balk at joining the wagon.

[bob3141]

vote count 1.05

Tayl0r Swift (6): Battle Mage, MURDERCAT, PenguinPower, Lost, Isis, Not_Mafia
Battle Mage (4): ManWithNoName, Tayl0r Swift, Bambi Jay, NorwegianboyEE
Isis (1): Dongempire

Not voting: GeniusGamer, bob3141

Deadline: (expired on 2020-09-19 07:30:00)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate.


mod notes:
- format altered because someone who shall remain nameless is a fancy pants
- quack

do you realy think two wagons like that are possible with 2 scum off the wagons. I know I can leave a false trail to follow with wagon gamestate but no way i could ever get 2 large wagons going with only one scum. That sort of wagoning needs 2 scum. Either all one one or split

[bob3141]

You already have one confirmed scum off and teh second is dead townie.

That wagon gamestate always requires more than one scum. Otherwise you would have had two smaller wagon going against each other. 4/4 or 6/3 sort of area

[bob3141]

now with flips

Tayl0r Swift (6): t, t, PenguinPower, Lost, Isis, Not_Mafia
Battle Mage (4): ManWithNoName, Tayl0r Swift, Bambi Jay, NorwegianboyEE

[bob3141]

Tayl0r Swift (6): t, t, PenguinPower, t, t, t
Battle Mage (4): ManWithNoName, Tayl0r Swift, t, t


Now with those i think are town blocked out

[bob3141]

2148 Its not hard to find after it was my last complete game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83299

[bob3141]

@Bob3141
What’s your preferred elimination/vote today?

I think the best bet is man with no name

[bob3141]

gamer had near no interactiosn with that slot. There was a bit of fluff posting from him to no name. But very interaction was driven my manwithnoname

Cant eithen realy see any comments on his alignment from him.

[bob3141]

Except for when he tried to claim I was his partner at the end of the day. I didn't interact with him during my VLA because I was VLA and as far as I remember he didn't say much during the first day until after the hammer.

The vote counts point to atleast one of you and taylor being scum

[bob3141]

Unless the wagon comp is right i wouldnt vote for taylor. someone has inside information but we dont want them outed

[bob3141]

i think its to do with taylor swifts cover. Any way thats what a google search came up with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAL55b6O-sU

[bob3141]

not liking taylors push on bambi.

VOTE: taylor

[bob3141]

if im alive tommorrow nm prob town

[bob3141]

Im never scum this game. If i was scum i would of just hammered gammer there and then. Rather than waiting a little longer after i had given intent.

[bob3141]

did scum fall for that. Or was nm just to obvous town with 2 scum hammers.

[bob3141]

give me moment. I want this game to be hatrick. Lost you stole my place on the gamer wagon So it still counts if i get the last scum right as i did give intent

[bob3141]

i wonder if im right about all the night actions.

[bob3141]

how about this: give me this gameday to prove my towniness. If we cant settle on a good lunch, eat me. but my playstyle comes across as pretty scummy even when im town. ill effort and do my best to townspew here. im not surprised theres pressure on me, although im a bit surprised at how quickly that wagon formed on me with naked votes. anyway, gimme time and ill give you town.

Guys I’m a Day 4 Innocent Child I swear

in a way you were

[bob3141]

we should have a hider with 3 inno. So i think the game is solved. Plus a tracker who should also have inno

[bob3141]

NorwegianboyEE, ManWithNoName, Isis, bob3141, Not_Mafia

is prob all town. As i cant see scum wanting to bus their buddy with hider and tracker in play. At that point the way to win is to hope to hit the tracker and hope the hider is there too

[bob3141]

remaining names

PP, bambi, lost

[bob3141]

The guy that is dead is prob town?

well before day 4 started he was obvous town. but no pr

[bob3141]

are you trying to say im a robot

[bob3141]

can we just kill pp now. I want my hatrick

VOTE: pp

[bob3141]

Why would i wait for mr lolhammer to come on before voting taylor. One thing bussing early as a player that does that is hoping it doesnt go through.

like im hurt that anyoen would think i would vote my buddy at that point

[bob3141]

if you are town I am sad you didn't directly sheep my GG case bob
why couldn't you vibe with me

with newbies i tend to play devil advocate. Why both times when i look closer being obvous scum

[bob3141]

im vt

[bob3141]

not much to remember really.

yep no more mr be nice on newbies.

[bob3141]

I'd like to give an opportunity to Penguin to at least come in and make a claim and I also can't count so no vote yet, but this game is pretty much solved. I figured out Day 3 that Norwee was Hider so, I do kind of feel like Bob could have and found a better shot than NM. I would think he would have shot in Norwee's early day town reads

i actualy hadnt figured out for sure who the hider was. just the two town pr. wasnt sure which way round it was

i rpob have just gone for broke and shot isis

[bob3141]

PP have we won, were you the last scum

[bob3141]

Was town. Don’t care. Seems to be auto win anyway.

like when you were a town neap

you want a wake party

[bob3141]

when we quick hammered him as scum in another game he trolled us that he was town neap. we got 25 pages of twlight

[bob3141]

thank you for modding worst

Was a fun game