Open 795 | Noir | Game Over

[GeniusGamer]

Alright, I’ve finally managed to read through the game so far. First of all, what

is

hypoclaiming exactly?

mudrecat gets a townlock

Woah there. Just because Murder Cat says they only care about finding scum, you’re convinced that they’re town? That’s pretty odd if you ask me.

Also,

what is Not_Mafia doing

? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen. First claiming Jester, which isn’t even in the setup, then claiming mafia in a serious manner (well, serious relative to the rest of their posts)? VOTE: Not_Mafia

[GeniusGamer]

(Yay, pagetop)

So anyway, this sort of thing is exactly why I’m voting for Not_Mafia. It’s going to take a lot to change my opinion at this point.

[GeniusGamer]

(Okay, that wasn’t a pagetop. Pages are 25 posts long and not 15. Just ignore that.)

[GeniusGamer]

Yikes, lots to catch up on.

So... I still think N_M should be eliminated. If this is the best he can do, we should just vote him out. He didn’t even give Dong a chance to claim or defend themself before hammering.

If Not_Mafia can’t contribute enough, I’m going to vote for him every day until he either convinces me that he isn’t the scummiest person in the game or is voted out.

Just because Not_Mafia apparently plays like this every game doesn’t mean it’s any less scummy. If anybody else acted like this, I bet they’d be eliminated way faster than this

[GeniusGamer]

If town can't win through a bad town player getting eliminated on day 1 we don't deserve it

Did you call me... bad?

You're trash. Yup confirmed, really why am I even wasting my time talking to people who are on the bottom of the social ladder, I feel disgusting and like I need to take a shower. Icky.

Like I am so stupid, I don't go into parts of the city where trash like you live, knock on your door and talk to you and waste my time, but on the internet its like whoops yep you just talked to literal trash in human form, why did you do that tollundwut, wasted your time. Idk I really have to get better at using the internet and avoiding talking to worthless shit. But sometimes it is so hard to tell who is just an ignorant, and who is literal trash like you. So sorry for wasting both our time.

I also doubt you have even enough money to travel at all, you probably only live in your internet fantasy world, going to bed every day daydreaming about some other life that you're not living because well you're fucking trash lol

Yeesh

...Yeah, that’s the only response I can really give to that...

[GeniusGamer]

Yikes, lots to catch up on.

So... I still think N_M should be eliminated. If this is the best he can do, we should just vote him out. He didn’t even give Dong a chance to claim or defend themself before hammering.

If Not_Mafia can’t contribute enough, I’m going to vote for him every day until he either convinces me that he isn’t the scummiest person in the game or is voted out.

Just because Not_Mafia apparently plays like this every game doesn’t mean it’s any less scummy. If anybody else acted like this, I bet they’d be eliminated way faster than this

It does mean that though. Otherwise, he would be scum in every game. He's not scum in every game.

He may or may not be scum, that much is true. But whatever he’s doing, it’s certainly not playing Mafia in a pro-town way. There is no point in allowing him to remain in the game. He is the scummiest person here right now. If you can convince me that someone is scummier than him, I’ll be happy to vote for them.

[GeniusGamer]

Isis, are you suggesting that we just allow Not_Mafia to stay here, not contribute, and generally be distracting? I could be wrong, but that sounds like what you’re saying.

[GeniusGamer]

The players with scum role PMs are scummier than me

First of all, you’re likely one of the players with a scum role PM. Second of all, there’s no way to figure out whether someone got a scum role PM other than voting them out or viewing their PMs, the latter of which is against the rules.

[GeniusGamer]

I disagree.

[GeniusGamer]

i think someone needs to lynch Genius guys, his lack of contribution is unacceptable

*Cough* Hypocrite! *Cough*

Post count in itself doesn’t matter (though my post count has, in fact, reached the double digits). I have a particularly busy life to live. Also, I have called you out for not only your posting style, but also your hammer of Dong before he could defend himself. I see you as scum, so I will vote for you until you’re eliminated.

On a tangentially related note, we’re not really supposed to use the word “lynch” anymore.

[GeniusGamer]

Votes no longer count because the day is over. Also, you’re “voting” for me for the exact same reasons I voted for Not_Mafia, even though they don’t apply to me.

[GeniusGamer]

Why are y'all voting if that was the hammer.

To protest.

Protest against what?

[GeniusGamer]

Votes no longer count because the day is over. Also, you’re “voting” for me for the exact same reasons I voted for Not_Mafia, even though they don’t apply to me.

Votes no longer count because the day is over.

Thanks Sherlock.

Thank you very much! Though “Sherlock” isn’t very appropriate, as Sherlock Holmes was a detective and no deduction skills were needed to point out the rules. And you can call me “Captain Obvious,” but you completely disregarded this “Obvious” rule.

[GeniusGamer]

I suppose PenguinPower’s posts don’t really contribute

that much

to the game.

[GeniusGamer]

Mafia... is no joke... people are dying every day that the scum lives. Do you want to be responsible for these deaths via inaction?

[GeniusGamer]

I suppose PenguinPower’s posts don’t really contribute

that much

to the game.

Genius posted about something other than me

Most of my content filled posts are about you, sure. But a lot of the same posts that are about you also include information about other players.

[GeniusGamer]

Guys i asked worst and he said we were allowed to lynch one more guy

It's only fair, the first shouldn't count

Wait, what? That’s odd. Why exactly are we allowed to eliminate another player?

[GeniusGamer]

So... we get to eliminate someone else every time we eliminate town? You know what, I’m not going to keep questioning it.

[GeniusGamer]

So who’s your suggested target for second elimination Geniusgamer?

Either Not_Mafia or Tayl0r Swift, preferably Not_Mafia. They’re the scummiest players so far.

[GeniusGamer]

Are you just going to try and top every page with that post? It doesn’t really help.

[GeniusGamer]

Mafia... is no joke... people are dying every day that the scum lives. Do you want to be responsible for these deaths via inaction?

You are boring

If I’m boring, I guess Mafia is too, as I’m simply playing the game.

[GeniusGamer]

Mafia... is no joke... people are dying every day that the scum lives. Do you want to be responsible for these deaths via inaction?

You are boring

If I’m boring, I guess Mafia is too, as I’m simply playing the game.

Have you ever tried having fun?

Having fun is boring. The boring stuff is fun.

[GeniusGamer]

Are you just going to try and top every page with that post? It doesn’t really help.

It doesn't help you

It doesn’t help me, and I’m helping the town. Therefore, PenguinPower is not helping the town.

[GeniusGamer]

Genius will continue to be a huge distraction as long as he is in the game

I believe this applies more to you than me.

Someone shoot him, he's a not fun haver

Agree tbh.

Aha! You want to kill a town member. You must either be mafia or claiming Vig!

and I’m helping the town

Are you sure about that?

Yes.

Are you just going to try and top every page with that post? It doesn’t really help.

It doesn't help you

Imagine never having done a % pagetop analysis to win a game on the last day

Ah, I forgot about those! They

are

quite helpful.

[GeniusGamer]

By golly Ms. Molly, this guy really doesn't have a sense of humor at all.

Humor is not a sense. Humor is for losers.

[GeniusGamer]

Oh this guy is fun at parties

Parties are for losers too.

You are truly living up to the "gamer" part of your name

I only picked it for the alliteration anyway.

[GeniusGamer]

This guy's the one who's upset during comedies because he doesn't get the jokes.

I don’t go to comedies in the first place.

[GeniusGamer]

GG tell us your best joke

*Looks at Wikipedia*

Two hunters are out in the woods when one of them collapses. He doesn't seem to be breathing and his eyes are glazed. The other guy whips out his phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps, "My friend is dead! What can I do?" The operator says, "Calm down. I can help. First, let's make sure he's dead." There is a silence; then a gun shot is heard. Back on the phone, the guy says, "OK, now what?"

[GeniusGamer]

genius i can't tell if you're serious in all your posts right now

I am a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

[GeniusGamer]

Does Gif have a hard or soft g?

Soft.

Real

soft.

[GeniusGamer]

Wasn’t this supposed to be a Mafia game? What on Earth happened?

[GeniusGamer]

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

Really? I don’t think Isis was really playing that terribly. She talked a lot about what the hider should do and have a few reads as well. I, for one,

welcome our new insect overlords

think that Isis is probably town.

[GeniusGamer]

no one is scumreading NM for lolhammering.

Right, just ignore my persistent scumreading and my vote for Not_Mafia. Because apparently my scumreading somehow isn’t worth acknowledging.

[GeniusGamer]

no one is scumreading NM for lolhammering.

Right, just ignore my persistent scumreading and my vote for Not_Mafia. Because apparently my scumreading somehow isn’t worth acknowledging.

You aren't voting him

I voted for him yesterday.

[GeniusGamer]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Looking over some of the posts again, nobody really comes close to the kind of scuminess Not_Mafia is radiating. And no, I’m not voting for him because of Bob, just to clear that up.

why is it not scummy for NM to lolhammer? is this not the sort of thing that results in policy lynches around here?

5 Years of meta?

Don’t even try that meta excuse, Penguin. Meta should not remove Not_Mafia from immediate suspicion at the beginning of a game with posts like his. One should judge players based on their actions during the particular game they’re playing in, not any others.

[GeniusGamer]

I signed up because this was the closest to an open normal game I could find!

[GeniusGamer]

N_M is probably town. I don't think he'd feel as amused by GeniusGamer as scum. He wouldn't feel threatened I don't think but like.. I think it'd be some kind of different tack

Remember Show, Don’t Tell? I don’t think someone simply claiming they’re amused would make someone look town.

[GeniusGamer]

both alignments of NM take every available hammer on players of any alignment

That’s a really terrible thing to do.

[GeniusGamer]

I'd figure scum!NM would be more careful about blatantly lolhammering

disagree

People give him a free pass.

Exactly. If we just let him do stuff like that, he’ll keep doing it. And it doesn’t help. Nobody with 5 years of experience should be playing like that if they want to be seen as town.

[GeniusGamer]

NM could be eliminated every single time he lolhammered and he would still take every lolhammer available in all his games

Well... too bad, I guess. I mean, if someone refuses to play the game, they get the consequences.

GG who do you think is scum with NM?

I’m not sure. Though I do think it could be Tayl0r or NorwegianBoyEE. For now, my vote remains on the person I am the most convinced is scum.

[GeniusGamer]

Are you going to deliberately underperform to prove a point of independence?

Yes. Whatcha gonna do about it?

I’ll be back for you, Not_Mafia. But I’m afraid I’ve just found a scummier person.

VOTE: Bambi Jay

You just admitted that you’re

intentionally

underperforming without a good reason, and it doesn’t sound like you’re joking.. That’s the kind of thing scum does, though why you would admit it is a mystery to me... actually, maybe you’re partners with N_M, and you guys think you’ll cruise through the game with a lack of contribution due to bias towards you from other players!

Actually, that last part is really unlikely. I doubt that you’re partners.

You start contributing

or else

.

[GeniusGamer]

Are you going to deliberately underperform to prove a point of independence?

Yes. Whatcha gonna do about it?

I’ll be back for you, Not_Mafia. But I’m afraid I’ve just found a scummier person.

VOTE: Bambi Jay

You just admitted that you’re

intentionally

underperforming without a good reason, and it doesn’t sound like you’re joking.. That’s the kind of thing scum does, though why you would admit it is a mystery to me... actually, maybe you’re partners with N_M, and you guys think you’ll cruise through the game with a lack of contribution due to bias towards you from other players!

Actually, that last part is really unlikely. I doubt that you’re partners.

You start contributing

or else

.

Or else? Jeez. For a newbie you really are trying to sound intimidating.

Have you ever read a trope at all? Teenager rebelling against society to be noticed? I even specified I was rebelling against the COUNTRY of Norway. God, learn to see a joke in text or not at all. This isn't even mentioning the fact in the previous post I made I said my piece and contributed.

This is why you go to the Normal Queue so you meet people and make friends first. Not jump into a game where like 5 people play completely the opposite of the way you want.

Oh boy, this is absolute gold!

So let’s start with jokes. First of all, Mafia isn’t the right place to share your jokes. But I can look past that. That’s really not how you make a joke anyway. It was just really lame, and not even recognizable as a joke. You need to improve.

If you must know, yes, I do in fact read TV Tropes. But again, that was just a really lame joke, if you can even call it that. And if you want to be noticed, this site is not the right place for that.

And no, you have no say about which type of game I join. I prefer Open games to Normal games. Also, what bearing does having friends on the site have on actually playing mafia? I’m here for a reason, which is, as I just said, playing Mafia.

Your arguments are both invalid and stupid. Oh, and I’m no Mafia newbie. I’ve played for a

long

time. There’s a difference between “MafiaScum newbie” and “Mafia newbie”.

[GeniusGamer]

Can you go back to insulting NM Geniusgamer.
I don't want to listen to an argument between you two.

I wasn’t insulting N_M. I was insulting his “play”style.

Also, arguments about scum knees are the heart and soul of Mafia. Bambi was the one who tried to move the conversation away from it anyway.

[GeniusGamer]

“Scum knees” was because of an autocorrect of “scumminess,” for the record.

[GeniusGamer]

You sound like the manager I hate. I recommended Normal because that's normally where new people go after newbie games. The other queues are sometimes considered extra queues but not the main one.

If you aren't here to make friends I guess I'll just sitck with playing with the other people in the game. My only hope is if your a town PR you use it right. But otherwise I guess I'll ignore you too.

Edit: frankly if he doesn't like me, NotMaf, Pooky, or Tayl0r I dunno what to do when he clashes with most of us. Sorry I look for friends in a social interaction game I guess?

Going

ad hominem

, hmm? How interesting. Is this supposed to make me feel bad?

You can ignore me, but it’s not strategically advisable. Not that you’ve done many strategically advisable things so far.

So not only are you attacking me instead of my actions in the game, you’re trying to posit that I’m doing the same to you? If you decided to actually focus on the game and read even a few of my posts, you’d realize that all my attacks have been directed towards people’s actions in the game and not the people themselves.

You’re twisting around my words and trying to attack me as a person simply because I’m targeting certain people for scumminess. I think someone could be scum; you act like I’m screaming insults about their lives. But hey, if you all ignored me, then you wouldn’t be able to mislim me. So I’m not complaining; I’m just stating the facts.

[GeniusGamer]

You start contributing or else.

OMG watch out Bumbi, or you'll have GeniusGamer on your case

I’m not on her case, as that phrase indicates harassment, but I

did

warm her about refusing to contribute.

[GeniusGamer]

You warmed her.
How cozy.

Darn it. My phone really isn’t being helpful today.

CURSE YOU, LACK OF AN EDIT FUNCTION COMBINED WITH TERRIBLE PHONE KEYBOOOOOOARDS!!!

[GeniusGamer]

So let’s start with jokes. First of all, Mafia isn’t the right place to share your jokes. But I can look past that. That’s really not how you make a joke anyway. It was just really lame, and not even recognizable as a joke. You need to improve.

If you must know, yes, I do in fact read TV Tropes. But again, that was just a really lame joke, if you can even call it that. And if you want to be noticed, this site is not the right place for that.

WARNING!
WARNING!
THIS IS NOT A DRILL!
I REPEAT!
THIS IS NOT A DRILL!

CALLING ALL USERS OF FORUM.MAFIASCUM.NET IN OPEN 795, THIS IS THE JOKE POLICE, WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE REPORTS OF FIRST DEGREE HIJINX OCCURING IN THIS THREAD. WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DECLARE A FULL FUN LOCKDOWN.

THIS THREAD IS NOW FOR BIG BRAIN 2000 IQ PLAYS ONLY, ALL USERS CAUGHT ENGAGING IN ALL FORMS OF FUN, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO; TOMFOOLERY, FROLICKING OR WHIMSY, WILL HAVE ALL POSTING PRIVILEGES REVOKED FOR A MINIMUM OF 25 YEARS TO LIFE, THIS IS NOT A DRILL AND COMES IN TO LAW WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT.

ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GENIUSGAMER IS NOW OFFICIALLY IN CHARGE OF THIS THREAD AND THE CONDUCT OF ITS INHABITANTS.



NO FUN LOCKDOWN STARTS NOW!!!!1! IGNORE AT YOUR PERIL

Hey, I said I could look past it! It was just that that joke was particularly lame. Oh well.

I might as well start to police the fun levels around here.

[GeniusGamer]

Are you happy? You’re not supposed to be happy whilst playing mafia. I think I’ll have to ban you. I take my job as fun-squasher seriously, you know.

[GeniusGamer]

- I heard reports of fun happening. please cease & desist immediately or I may be required to consider disciplinary action.

See, our moderator agrees with me!

[GeniusGamer]

I’d like you to know that I’m too good for meta.

[GeniusGamer]

Hasn’t your previous meta told you about my stance on reads?

Not_Mafia, Bambi, and Tayl0r Swift are at the top of the scumminess list, I’ll tell you that.

[GeniusGamer]

Dang it, I meant precious. Phones are so inaccurate.

[GeniusGamer]

Who do you trust?

Myself. And possibly also Bob.

[GeniusGamer]

He has had generally good reads and hasn’t done anything scummy. Which, for the record, is more than I can say about you despite your many posts. You haven’t really given many reads, but you pushed me about them....

[GeniusGamer]

*knock knock*

Anybody home gamer?

Geez, do I have to announce whenever I take a break? Silence on this site for such periods of time says nothing about a player’s alignment or skill.

He has had generally good reads

Can you give a couple of examples?

Yes.

[GeniusGamer]

And those examples are?

...coming tomorrow, after I’ll have actually had sleep.

[GeniusGamer]

Look at how much more game talk there is in the newbie iso: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11984311

Again, what did I say about meta?

[GeniusGamer]

Alright, I’ve finally managed to read through the game so far. First of all, what

is

hypoclaiming exactly?

mudrecat gets a townlock

Woah there. Just because Murder Cat says they only care about finding scum, you’re convinced that they’re town? That’s pretty odd if you ask me.

Also,

what is Not_Mafia doing

? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen. First claiming Jester, which isn’t even in the setup, then claiming mafia in a serious manner (well, serious relative to the rest of their posts)? VOTE: Not_Mafia

In here is a lot of stuff talking about NM meta

(Yay, pagetop)

So anyway, this sort of thing is exactly why I’m voting for Not_Mafia. It’s going to take a lot to change my opinion at this point.

Rather than engaging with it, GG is just tunneling NM.

Yikes, lots to catch up on.

So... I still think N_M should be eliminated. If this is the best he can do, we should just vote him out. He didn’t even give Dong a chance to claim or defend themself before hammering.

If Not_Mafia can’t contribute enough, I’m going to vote for him every day until he either convinces me that he isn’t the scummiest person in the game or is voted out.

Just because Not_Mafia apparently plays like this every game doesn’t mean it’s any less scummy. If anybody else acted like this, I bet they’d be eliminated way faster than this

It does mean that though. Otherwise, he would be scum in every game. He's not scum in every game.

He may or may not be scum, that much is true.

But whatever he’s doing, it’s certainly not playing Mafia in a pro-town way. There is no point in allowing him to remain in the game. He is the scummiest person here right now. If you can convince me that someone is scummier than him, I’ll be happy to vote for them.

This is weird backpedalling to me, does noob town say this while tunneling? You are so convinced NM is scum now all of a sudden you are voting for them for policy reasons? Is he scum or not? To me, noob town here concludes that Isis is scum protecting NM.

So who’s your suggested target for second elimination Geniusgamer?

Either Not_Mafia or Tayl0r Swift, preferably Not_Mafia. They’re the scummiest players so far.

This taylor read never had and still hasn't had a justification

NM could be eliminated every single time he lolhammered and he would still take every lolhammer available in all his games

Well... too bad, I guess. I mean, if someone refuses to play the game, they get the consequences.

GG who do you think is scum with NM?

I’m not sure. Though I do think it could be Tayl0r or NorwegianBoyEE. For now, my vote remains on the person I am the most convinced is scum.

In here I pressure GG for tunneling and not contributing.

Are you going to deliberately underperform to prove a point of independence?

Yes. Whatcha gonna do about it?

I’ll be back for you, Not_Mafia. But I’m afraid I’ve just found a scummier person.

VOTE: Bambi Jay

You just admitted that you’re

intentionally

underperforming without a good reason, and it doesn’t sound like you’re joking.. That’s the kind of thing scum does, though why you would admit it is a mystery to me... actually, maybe you’re partners with N_M, and you guys think you’ll cruise through the game with a lack of contribution due to bias towards you from other players!

Actually, that last part is really unlikely. I doubt that you’re partners.

You start contributing

or else

.

Literally this bambi claim is from nowhere. Also, this is the thing that is worse than the lolhammer? To me this was a reaction to my pressure.

GG who is your biggest town read?

Multiple places like this where GG has a chance to interact and instead chooses to tunnel or get into arguments.

What do you mean, “NM meta”. I don’t use meta and certainly didn’t use or allude to using it here. Also, it’s impossible to be certain that someone is scum in this setup. I don’t

know

that N_M is scum, I

think

he’s scum, as he is likely to be scum. It’s basic semantics.

So how is my scumread on Bambi out of nowhere? She’s already been scummy (my exact sources will be specified right after I finish this post), and that post made it especially clear that she’s likely to be scum.

Did you not read my earlier posts? Most of what it in this post has already been stated. Take, for example, when I said that arguments about alignment are the heart and soul of mafia. X trying to convince everyone that Y is scum, while Y defends themself or tries to prove that Z is scum.

Oh, and your claim that I’m tunneling N_M? You think it’s tunneling because I use every other post of his as evidence towards his scumminess. This usually looks like tunneling. Except that every other post of Not_Mafia’s is scummy! Therefore, my targeting of him is entirely justified. Not to mention that I’ve expressed a couple of other scumreads.

I love (yes, I’m using the right word here; this is very enjoyable) how nobody here likes me. It’s like you know you’re wrong and hold a grudge against me for it. I’ve backed up all my arguments, and all of them have been game-related (except for that one with Bambi, which she started). So what exactly is wrong with what I’m doing? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[GeniusGamer]

What’s with the “noob town” thing anyway? You’re acting like MafiaScum.net is the only way to play Mafia, and if you haven’t played there often, you’re a Mafia newbie.

[GeniusGamer]

yeah why is your vote on bambi if youre pushing NM?

I’m pushing both of them. I

did

say I would give reasons today, and I will. Today. And if I don’t.... well, you’re welcome to vote me?

[GeniusGamer]

OH NO THE PENGUIN SAID META

Genius screams internally

No... I definitely... don’t have an urge... to scream at Penguin...

[GeniusGamer]

...you didn’t say anything else.

[GeniusGamer]

So you’re trying to say that nobody’s going to vote for N_M because of meta. Riiiiiight. Well there’s no point in voting for him if nobody else will.

I guess my vote stays on Bambi.

A Summary Indicating the Scumminess of Bambi Jay

Let’s start with something small. Something bad, but not scummy in itself: post 190

mudrecat gets a townlock

I did the same thing just worded differently. Sigh.

I don’t know what you think, but this seems a lot like hunting for town points. Bambi pointed out something she said that was supposed to be towny (for the record, it’s really not Alignment Indicative to simply claim that you only care about finding scum). She presumably did this to make Isis (and other readers of that post) think Bambi was town. This was entirely unwarranted, as the top priority is to find scum, which should be done instead of proving your towniness, barring special circumstances such as being at E-[Insert small number here] or just under scrutiny due to scumminess. If Bambi is town, this could just be a “newbie town” action. If she’s scum, which is more likely, it’s to try and look towny so as not to be scrutinized and revealed as scum.

I thought we already agreed drunk Isis is a different person. Don't take too much stock in her vote there.

it is really easy to get townreads from me when i'm not sober you should be telling me sweet things rn murderkitty

Who would want easy town reads for free? Sounds boring.

I scumread u bambi

Then at least I earned that scumread.

that doesnt make sense aren't my drunk scumreads also free?

VOTE: Bambi

See for yourself.

I never did and still don’t quite buy the whole “Drunk Isis” thing. These two posts only make it worse. Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much. This could be bussing...

In other news, we’re going to continue completely ignoring Bambi’s attacks in post 799.

Bambi doesn’t like Gamer, so it’s totally okay for her to personally attack him! We’ll just avert our eyes and act like Gamer’s doing something wrong!

Are you going to deliberately underperform to prove a point of independence?

Yes. Whatcha gonna do about it?

Yeaaaah, that’s totally not scummy at all. It’s definitely fine to actively refuse to deliberately underperform. This, of course, was the point where a mixture of Bambi’s increasing scumminess combined with everyone else’s refusal to vote for Not_Mafia caused me to switch votes to her.

That was an overview of her scummiest actions. There are a few miscellaneous other odd actions and my gut read, but whatever.

[GeniusGamer]

Who do you trust?

Myself. And possibly also Bob.

Why do you trust me?

With the quick day one resulting in me having little input. I cant see how really my slot is more than null to anyone. How can you get a read on slot that day one came into teh thread, did rvs stuff. And the next day when he went to post foudn he couldnt as aload of people had itchy fingers. And felt the best course of action was to scratch them with rock while hitting dong. Dong to apparently.


Day two starting in the middle of my working week giving little time to explain my reads.

Innocent until proven guilty. Since you haven’t done anything scummy, I default to tentative trusting. Said tentative trusting remains until you either do something scummy (in which case the tentative trust turns into suspicion) or do something that strikes me as especially towny (in which case the tentative trust becomes actual trust).

In other words, what you call a “null slot”, I call “a tentatively trusted player.”

As you can see, I enjoy alliteration.

[GeniusGamer]

Being unhelpful isn’t scummy.

First of all, Bambi admitted to being intentionally unhelpful. No townie who actually cares about the game does that. Just scum. Well, scum and townies who don’t care about the game. If I give Bambi the benefit of the doubt and assume she cares about the game, she’s almost definitely scum.

Now let’s imagine she didn’t do that at all. Why would she be so unhelpful? If she’s town, it could be because she doesn’t understand mafia. If she’s mafia, it’s obviously so that town doesn’t get help scumhunting and won’t be as efficient.

Do you disagree with me? If so, please explain in detail exactly what you disagree with.

[GeniusGamer]

Who do you trust?

Myself. And possibly also Bob.

Why do you trust me?

With the quick day one resulting in me having little input. I cant see how really my slot is more than null to anyone. How can you get a read on slot that day one came into teh thread, did rvs stuff. And the next day when he went to post foudn he couldnt as aload of people had itchy fingers. And felt the best course of action was to scratch them with rock while hitting dong. Dong to apparently.


Day two starting in the middle of my working week giving little time to explain my reads.

exactly

You didn’t read my very detailed post explaining my statement.

[GeniusGamer]

Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

See, that’s not what I said. You people would make great sleazy politicians that are secretly working with the mafia to mislim people.

I did not say she is scum. I did not say I think she’s scum. I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

[GeniusGamer]

Innocent until proven guilty. Since you haven’t done anything scummy, I default to tentative trusting.

So everyone is scum to you but the nonposter?

My gosh, can you not be pleased with a simple explanation? Does it take a novel for you to believe the reasoning behind my actions?

Again, that’s not what I said. The people who

haven’t done anything scummy

are the people I trust.

[GeniusGamer]

Do you disagree with me? If so, please explain in detail exactly what you disagree with.

You take one off jokes too seriously

So I have to write an entire essay before you even consider moving along the conversation, and get you think a single sentence is enough to rebuff my arguments.

Okay. So that’s what’ll happen then.

Bambi was not joking.

[GeniusGamer]

Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

See, that’s not what I said. You people would make great sleazy politicians that are secretly working with the mafia to mislim people.

I did not say she is scum. I did not say I think she’s scum. I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

Really? I don’t think Isis was really playing that terribly. She talked a lot about what the hider should do and have a few reads as well. I, for one,

welcome our new insect overlords

think that Isis is probably town.

pretty sure this is simply a scum!gamer forgetting his own read manufactures and scumslipping. He was discussing day1 posts here, the same ones that were all he had to work with when he stated this read before.
can't really indulge NM's desire to be amused with something this clear and obvious. VOTE: GG

Fun fact: opinions can change upon reanalyzing data. Are you trying to gaslight me by twisting around everything I say or something?

[GeniusGamer]

Bambi was not joking.

How do you know this?

Bambi’s backtracking upon me actually showing suspicion did not look like the response of someone who simply tried to crack a joke. It looked like someone becoming overly defensive after a slip was brought to light.

[GeniusGamer]

Again, that’s not what I said. The people who haven’t done anything scummy are the people I trust.

But, if I understand correctly, this is only you and bob?

No. That list was a list of the people I trust most.

[GeniusGamer]

No. That list was a list of the people I trust most.

So where is Isis on that list from trusts a lot to no trust? 4th? 8th? ballpark

Somewhere near the divide between scumminess and towniness, on the scummy side.

[GeniusGamer]

Guys I have solved it. GG is a disguised operative from an alien race who are readying to invade and colonise Earth. They are trying to use social deduction games to gather intel about humans, he is trying to fit in but not

quite

managing it.

I could buy it.

So you and N_M agree that I’m supposedly scummy because I don’t

quite

fit in to your inflexible, predesigned mood of “town”.

[GeniusGamer]

*mold

[GeniusGamer]

If I were scum, my partners would discreetly bus me just to get me out of their PT.

Ergo, either I’m town, or everyone else is scum. Choose one.

[GeniusGamer]

Guys I have solved it. GG is a disguised operative from an alien race who are readying to invade and colonise Earth. They are trying to use social deduction games to gather intel about humans, he is trying to fit in but not

quite

managing it.

I could buy it.

So you and N_M agree that I’m supposedly scummy because I don’t

quite

fit in to your inflexible, predesigned mood of “town”.

The irony

What irony?

[GeniusGamer]

If I were scum, my partners would discreetly bus me just to get me out of their PT.

Ergo, either I’m town, or everyone else is scum. Choose one.

What kind of moon logic is this?

This is called sarcasm, which is much different from joking, I might add. I’m using it to mock the irrational and non-game-related dislike towards me by exaggerating it.

[GeniusGamer]

So you and N_M agree that I’m supposedly scummy because I don’t quite fit in to your inflexible, predesigned mood of “town”.

GG I feel like I've laid out a good case for why I think you are scummy, if you want to engage about it I'd be happy to hear it

Could you please make clear your case? Collect it into an essay, link to the relevant posts, whatever. I don’t see any solid evidence towards me being scum.

[GeniusGamer]

If I were scum, my partners would discreetly bus me just to get me out of their PT.

This actually happens to me, mostly because I constantly spam the scumchat with knock knock jokes

That... is actually quite disappointing if it’s true. Would your partners really value their sanity over winning the game?

[GeniusGamer]

Could you please make clear your case? Collect it into an essay, link to the relevant posts, whatever. I don’t see any solid evidence towards me being scum.

To sum up, I don't feel like your reads make sense, e.g. the flip flop on Isis. I didn't feel like you explained that in your posts. Also, when I try to engage with you it seems like you'd rather not, but you haven't said why. Maybe you think I'm scum? But you do have to find other townies as town to win. How many times have I asked for clarification on Taylor?

I

said

it was coming today. It is. It’s just that I know that post will be very long and take forever to type (like the analysis of Bambi). So while I work on it, I’m still interacting with the game by typing these shorter posts.

[GeniusGamer]

Also, GG at this point the tides are against you. If you are town, I'd like to see some evidence of the town things you think you've been doing.

Wow, what an absolutely difficult* thing to do!

*Not really. That was also sarcasm

Let’s see...

• I’ve pointed out Bambi’s suspicious actions.
  
• I am currently writing an essay about Tayl0r Swift’s scumminess
  
• I expressed a slight scumlean towards Isis, expressing my capacity as a human being to reevaluate data and change my opinion.
  
• I pointed out how odd your lack of reads is.
  
• I haven’t done anything that jumps out as scummy (innocent until proven guilty).
  
• ...and many,
  many
  other actions that I will omit, so as to save myself time, sanity, and time.

[GeniusGamer]

I'm disappointed N_M didn't give me any knock knock jokes when I rolled scum with him

Knock knock

who's there?

who's there?

Suspense

It seems like you mistook the main thread for your scum PT.

[GeniusGamer]

This is really funny.

I think Geniusgamer is like oil trying to mix into water.

Like a disappointed mother who doesn't understand what her son is doing and telling him to get a job already even though he explains what he does online IS his job.

It's like this except with jokes and actually taking one off jokes seriously. Again, I said this before, with Isis I was just incredulous I got scumread for saying what amounted to the same words. I wasn't begging for town points.

NotMaf plz help me. I appear not to speak Zuckerberg like Genius can. Can you translate for me?

It’s not that you said a joke I don’t understand, it’s that you said something scummy and tried to pass it off as a joke.

Bambi, can you give some reads?

[GeniusGamer]

GG is there anything in that list you think you wouldn't have done as scum? Is there anything in that list you think no one would have done as scum? If you are town I'd like to know, I'm not trying to trap you. To me, these are things that you could have feasibly done as scum.

Nope. I would behave in almost exactly the same way if I were scum. Though there’s stuff that’s not on the list that I wouldn’t have done as scum. In particular...

I obviously wouldn’t be on N_M for so long and so viciously if I were scum. I think my partners would have told me to stop. I did not because I’m town and I am almost certain that he’s scum.

[GeniusGamer]

Nope. I would behave in almost exactly the same way if I were scum.

You understand then that I don't find any of those things particularly relevant for determining if you are town

You could say that, sure. Except that the example I gave fits in the “things I won’t list here” section. So you could say it, but you’d be wrong.

[GeniusGamer]

Honestly if you had partners they would've realized to just let you do your thing. You seem more solo scum strength based if your no friends motto means anything.

I see several problems with those two statements. You seem to think that...

A) I’m unable to make friends here because I don’t come here with that specific intent

B) I don’t

already

have friends, and

C) I don’t have a coworker-like relationship with my fellow townies and hypothetical mafia partners.

[GeniusGamer]

Who's in favour of just pulling the life support on this unpleasant memory from 2008-2012.

Before you erase your memories, what exactly are you talking about? I’m afraid my brain is addled by my continued attempts at removing the communication barrier separating me from the other players.

[GeniusGamer]

I'm talking about you.

...I’m so confused. Can you please elaborate?

[GeniusGamer]

"addled" is a cool word, I like GeniusGamer

...thank you?

[GeniusGamer]

Other good words include

Mendacious
Stromboli
Mellifluous

Also supercalifragilisticexpialidocious and pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

[GeniusGamer]

I'm talking about you.

...I’m so confused. Can you please elaborate?

Ok let me translate from norweeish.
"Who is in favour of eliminating GeniusGamer from the game"

Yeah... I still don’t get the metaphor... but I am

not

in favor of removing myself from the game.

[GeniusGamer]

I don't think you're making friends here less because you can't ever make friends and more cuz (let's use religion I guess because screw it) you're a Christian amongst athiest, or vice versa. You just... Don't click with most of the player base in my humble stupid opinion.

But this is just me avoiding your other question in my scummy attempt to redirect the subject. Only you see this part of the message though, Genius. Because you're hallucinating me posting this part right now.

I agree with your opinion. Not the second paragraph that only I can supposedly see though. I really don’t think that’s what’s going on, because my clashing with the other players is one of the subjects being discussed.

[GeniusGamer]

I like the word mendacious as well. I like it so much, in fact, that it’s the word I’ll use whenever I’m describing Not_Mafia’s town claims!

[GeniusGamer]

I don't think you're making friends here less because you can't ever make friends and more cuz (let's use religion I guess because screw it) you're a Christian amongst athiest, or vice versa. You just... Don't click with most of the player base in my humble stupid opinion.

I agree with your opinion. Not the second paragraph that only I can supposedly see though. I really don’t think that’s what’s going on, because my clashing with the other players is one of the subjects being discussed.

Second paragraph?

I agree with your opinion. Not the second paragraph that only I can supposedly see though. I really don’t think that’s what’s going on, because my clashing with the other players is one of the subjects being discussed.

What second paragraph?

THERE’S A SECOND PARAGRAPH IN POST 1079 GUYS, YEH’VE GOTTA BELIEVE ME, YEH’VE GOTTA! I—IT’S THERE, I TELL YA! IT’S REAL!

[GeniusGamer]

Heh heh... what... it was just... a mistake! Right, right, it was a mistake... ’cause we all know there wasn’t a second paragraph, right guys! Heh... heh

[GeniusGamer]

Guys we bamboozled the alien vessel

[GeniusGamer]

Bambi was not joking.

How do you know this?

Bambi’s backtracking upon me actually showing suspicion did not look like the response of someone who simply tried to crack a joke. It looked like someone becoming overly defensive after a slip was brought to light.

Ive played with scum bambi before. And this realy doesnt look the same. Unless he is taking a different style this game im prety sure he is town.

Hmm. I don’t like meta... but at the same time, Bob has been a generally trustworthy person so far compared to everyone else... except me. Me, I townread

[GeniusGamer]

Guys we bamboozled the alien vessel

I thought we were going for Lizard People. That's why I made the Zuckerberg joke.

Joke = human expression of joy.

Yes, that

was

a good joke. Especially because the comparison highlights my incredible money making skills, intelligence, and ability to gain your personal information.

[GeniusGamer]

GG is there anything in that list you think you wouldn't have done as scum? Is there anything in that list you think no one would have done as scum? If you are town I'd like to know, I'm not trying to trap you. To me, these are things that you could have feasibly done as scum.

Nope. I would behave in almost exactly the same way if I were scum. Though there’s stuff that’s not on the list that I wouldn’t have done as scum. In particular...

I obviously wouldn’t be on N_M for so long and so viciously if I were scum. I think my partners would have told me to stop. I did not because I’m town and I am almost certain that he’s scum.

NM is a hard player to read. But his hammer is actualy prety town indicative. He really likes his lolhammers as town. In his scum game i didnt see him lolhammer once

Interesting. Very weird though, considering it would help him much more as scum. Well, if that piece of meta is generally accurate, he’s probably town. Which means I wasted about a quarter of my game advancing content for nothing. Though I’d make that sacrifice any time.

[GeniusGamer]

For clarification, the “sacrifice” is me wasting about a quarter of my game advancing content in return for a presumably confirmed townie.

Spoiler: Non-Game-Related Stuff — Because Having Fun is Fun

Add “rapping” to my list of Zuckerburgian skills.

[GeniusGamer]

GG is there anything in that list you think you wouldn't have done as scum? Is there anything in that list you think no one would have done as scum? If you are town I'd like to know, I'm not trying to trap you. To me, these are things that you could have feasibly done as scum.

Nope. I would behave in almost exactly the same way if I were scum. Though there’s stuff that’s not on the list that I wouldn’t have done as scum. In particular...

I obviously wouldn’t be on N_M for so long and so viciously if I were scum. I think my partners would have told me to stop. I did not because I’m town and I am almost certain that he’s scum.

NM is a hard player to read. But his hammer is actualy prety town indicative. He really likes his lolhammers as town. In his scum game i didnt see him lolhammer once

Interesting. Very weird though, considering it would help him much more as scum. Well, if that piece of meta is generally accurate, he’s probably town. Which means I wasted about a quarter of my game advancing content for nothing. Though I’d make that sacrifice any time.

GG i thought you hated and didn’t trust meta.

I do, but if we’re dealing with a player with the 2-dimensional “gameplay” of someone like Not_Mafia and the meta is a step away from an accidental trust tell, I’ll definitely consider it.

[GeniusGamer]

Oh boy, less than an hour and a quarter for me to testify against Tayl0r. This is going to be close.

For clarification, the “sacrifice” is me wasting about a quarter of my game advancing content in return for a presumably confirmed townie.

Spoiler: Non-Game-Related Stuff — Because Having Fun is Fun

Add “rapping” to my list of Zuckerburgian skills.

How is it sacrifice. The way you said that leaves me feeling like your trying to claw townie points.

Why did you only accept nm lolhammering forte until i mentioned it. When your isis scum read seems to have come from her pushing that nm lolhammering isnt ai

Ah, it looks like I’ve chosen my words improperly. That’s not very common. I

meant

that a lot of my evidence against him was practically a waste (not a sacrifice, which implies that I did this intentionally) if Not_Mafia almost always lolhammers when town and almost never does when scum. You really should have mentioned this earlier if you knew the whole time. But it’s my fault, not yours.

Lolhammering, if you ask me, is one of the scummiest things you could possibly do. The best meta can’t completely convince me of one’s innocence after doing said act. Then again, I hold a high standard of my fellow players and rarely attribute to stupidity what could be attributed to malice. Isis

was

pretty scummy by defending N_M like that.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Looking over some of the posts again, nobody really comes close to the kind of scuminess Not_Mafia is radiating. And no, I’m not voting for him because of Bob, just to clear that up.

why is it not scummy for NM to lolhammer? is this not the sort of thing that results in policy lynches around here?

5 Years of meta?

Don’t even try that meta excuse, Penguin. Meta should not remove Not_Mafia from immediate suspicion at the beginning of a game with posts like his. One should judge players based on their actions during the particular game they’re playing in, not any others.

When it was given here by pp as well.


Did you think the scum team was isis, pp and NM

As if you though one of pp and isis was town. Then why wouldnt you listen to that meta and do quick skim of nm vote count meta.

And later you pushed that bambi and isis could be bussing. As later you still talk to nm as if he was scum.

Mines the lolhammering did you have any other reason that you suspected NM?

I don’t generally trust meta. But if, for example, a player always claims their alignment honestly (and is somehow not aware of this, as intentionally doing it is a trust tell, which is banned), they’ve played in 300 games, and every one of their games reflects that... I’m going to trust that meta. Obviously, that is a gross exaggeration, but when stuff like that is specifically brought up, I’m going to at least consider it.

Penguin was vague, not someone I particularly trusted, and vague. So I brushed off the outlandish claim. Even with your specific, credible, and specific meta, I still don’t think Not_Mafia should be let off the hook so easily solely based on it, but it does lend more credibility to the idea of him being town. But there’s still a lot that I scumread him for...

N_M, in his 100 posts so far, has...

A) Claimed jester in an admittedly nice-looking post with large and colorful text, voting for himself in that same post.

B) Written a block of text for role playing in post 135

B) Claimed Mafia Jailkeeper

C) A general lack of helpful content, which I consider to be scummy.

I hope I didn’t miss or mess up anything, but I need to make good on my promise to provide a Tayl0r analysis. My time zone is EDT, by the way. It’s still the eighteenth or September, for all of you people in Europe/Asia/Africa/Oceania.

[GeniusGamer]

I'd like to hear from lost and anyone else who hasn't posted about GG

probably scum

also gotta leave this here while i catch up.

How... unsubstantial. I feel insulted by the fact that your read on me is not a 10-page psychological analysis.

[GeniusGamer]

A Summary of the Scummy and Anti-Town Actions of Tayl0r Swift

3) you dont have to rely on scum being next to each other and next to the tracker in the player list, you can simply target scummy people

Do I just not understand human logic, or is this really weird and nonsensical for everyone else as well? I don’t even know where to start, but I think we can all recognize that it’s weird.

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

please elaborate or this is just weird shade

lol bad shot

VOTE: ManWithNoName

why? and why does the bad shot make you wanna vote MWNN?

VOTE: NM seriously, he hasn't claimed town that's his tell

omgus

VOTE: Norwee
That's a very bizarre initial take for today on top of my existing gutread

omgus

can people please provide some reasoning for stuff? im already having enough trouble trying to puzzle out what the hell yesterday was... no one is scumreading NM for lolhammering. why? even noname cites another reason for scumreading in the vote. i feel very lost. i dont really understand the reasoning for the nightkill and i dont really understand the reasoning for yesterdays wagon

Curiouser and curiouser. Here, Swift just questions a couple of votes and labels another couple as OMGUSes. But that’s it. No vote. No follow-up. Nothing. This is another action that I think is a major indicator of scuminess. Just saying that someone is scummy but making no effort to actually eliminate them without good reason. In fact, in my previous game, Micc expresses strong scumreads towards Porkens and T-Bone, but instead went after a newbie. T-Bone was after him until he was eliminated, and what do you know? Micc was scum. To paraphrase T-Bone, people tend to reveal themselves in particular moments.

Is this it? Why did it take so long?

is probably what you’re asking now. The answer to that question comes in three parts:

A) I think Tayl0r revealed herself in post 552, which is why I think she’s scum. So most of my focus (if you can even argue that my sleep-deprived brain can focus on the first place) is on that reveal.

B) It’s almost midnight, so I’m both tired and running out of time for my testimony. So... yeah.

C) When I tried to start writing, life piled down on top of me. So I couldn’t get as much done as I’d hoped.

I bet I’ll wake up tomorrow and realize that I wrote all of this down in Pig Latin or something. That would be disturbing.

[GeniusGamer]

I'd like to hear from lost and anyone else who hasn't posted about GG

probably scum

also gotta leave this here while i catch up.

How... unsubstantial. I feel insulted by the fact that your read on me is not a 10-page psychological analysis.

it's more substantial than your bambi case that's for sure

let me read posts i'm 10 pages behind

Pro Tip: I don’t really find it helpful to post

before

you’ve caught up. Also, I don’t think you’re in a position to call my posting unsubstantial when you have under 100 — actually, I’ll be generous — 75 posts at this point in the game.

[GeniusGamer]

GG would you like more time over the weekend to clarify more?

Yeah, sure. I usually have very limited access on weekdays now that summer’s over.

[GeniusGamer]

my gg read is somewhat influenced by his playstyle and some premature associative tells, before you finish reading and mention these to me. i am aware.

i'm going to gloss over d1 content, but playstyle wise already felt weird. the relatively new join date does indicate he's new to the site, though he states himself he's not new to mafia. if anything he claims he has lots of experience playing, so it always bothers me why he approaches the game so rigidly. if he's new i would expect confusion, if he has had experience i'd expect him to adapt. his unwillingness to, i'm going to use this liberally, "play along" strikes me as scum trying to stick to a formula that he's used to, which includes the usual scumhunting emulation, trying to subtly towntell, always being on topic etcetc.

of course, this extends beyond his d1 play.

d2 wise he starts off with the nm push that he had since d1, backing it up with the lolhammer and lack of participation(195, 405, leading to 683) when there was basically little to no content end d1, therefore nm's lack of participation isn't that horrible, and the lolhammer is too lazy of a scumtell. people lolhammer as scum and as town. rejecting meta to continue pushing his reads. it's all too textbooky for this game, and as town there isn't any reason to be this way if you genuinely want to figure stuff out.

initial bambi vote is just horrible. some intentionally not playing well stuff because bambi was fooling around, which escalated into some argument, and somehow from that he concluded, and still thinks, bambi is scum. literally none of the bambi's posts that he had issues with related to the gamestate(jokes and some site meta).

the additional points subsequent bambi case wasn't that good either. his reference to 190 is NAI. the flipflop on the isis read, as pointed out before, just seems convenient for him to put his bambi case together. something about bambi bussing isis too which doesn't even make sense, because the bambi's psots about isis drunk posting have no relation to bambi bussing isis...bambi wasn't even voting isis? throwing out buzzwords trying to make something legit. this ties back in with my thoughts on his rigid playstyle. adding in 1014 to the case, anybody can flip from cracking jokes to providing a legitimate response. he says this as though if bambi started joking around that she should continue joking around. if someone responded properly to a joke i made calling it alignment indicative somehow, why wouldn't i respond seriously?

now i will state for the record that i do think tayl0r could be scum also, and gg's scumread on tayl0r does have me second guessing my gg scumread a bit. on one hand he has no reason to bus tayl0r unless it's a distancing thing that he decided when the game started. on the other hand, he never really explains the tayl0r read until late into the game(late being like a few posts back). and even when he does promise the tayl0r scumread, he pushes it off and doesn't deliver much. seems like he wants to create the distance between himself and tayl0r but doesn't really bother because, if somehow tayl0r does get eliminated, scum gets weaker.

i recognize that this tayl0r section is incredibly associative, but it iz what it iz

but speaking of tayl0r let's look at his tayl0r case:
talks about 32, not alignment indicative
talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

the issues with this is that, despite him having mentioned the tayl0r scumread multiple times, these 2 posts are all he comes up with. not to mention that the only thing he brought up from d1 was 32, and he's had the tayl0r read since he started. on top of that, it was a pretty lazy case despite him having work on it for quite a while. tayl0r read is probably fake, be it bussing or just picking a player to scumread for scumhunting's sake.

moving on from his scumreads to his town(?)reads. they're not really townreads but whatever his terminology is weird.

his bob read makes no sense. looks like a scum buddying up to a somewhat universally townread player. listens to nm-meta justifications from bob but not bambi and pp(if i rmb these names correctly) despite him previously throwing a tantrum over meta. i'm not sure if think is white-knighting or buddying, i think it's buddying.

there's also the townread on himself which is kind of lol. i think this is more of a him/playstyle thing and not super alignment indicative, but:
1056 his own towncase on himself has 0 towntells. him acknowledging that he does these as scum help his case less. claiming he has even townier things that he wouldn't do as scum under his "many other actions i will omit" and then never stating them. pretty bad, not really scummy, but doesn't help him look good. nor is it something he would do as town to engage and convince people.


tl;dr:
reads are poorly supported, lazy. typical scum emulating scumhunting kind of reads. never really bothers to look beyond textbook tells, which imo are important with this playerlist.
rigid playstyle makes me think scum sticking to his format, as opposed to if he were town and being able to adapt and not worry about getting caught.

I am new to this site. That’s true. So why don’t I express confusion often? I don’t know, maybe because there are places like the wiki to read! In fact, I

did

ask what hypoclaiming is in my very first post in this game, as that term wasn’t used in any of the places I’ve played mafia or the wiki.

I think there are two parts to my play style that make you think it’s “rigid”. One part of my play style that’s bothering you isn’t “rigid,” per se. It’s more like, “There are certain, very special things that will let you as scum to me with near certainty.” Some of them include (in order of most scummy to least): Lolhammering, outright refusing to cooperate, and not going after your strongest reads. I find those to be serious offenses.

You’re trying to convince me that a lolhammer is a lazy scumtell? So if [insert your strongest row read here] hammered someone as soon as that person was at E-1, you wouldn’t express suspicion towards the former? I don’t believe that.

Again, I brushed off a vague claim of “5 years of meta” that tried to excuse everything Not_Mafia did. If someone had actually decided to be specific and bring up an example, which Bob eventually did, I would have considered the meta. Not that anything can

fully

excuse someone from doing all that stuff.

Let me make this joke thing really clear from my point of view.

If you want to joke, you should do it in a way that makes very clear the fact that you’re joking

. I still don’t think Bambi was joking. No, I don’t think you have to put large red text stating “this is a joke”. No, I don’t think you even have to put it in a spoiler. But Bambi’s post just didn’t look at all like a joke. It did not look at all like someone defending a joke they made. It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

I’d have been voted out before Dong was if I played the way people on some sites do.. I’m trying to get used to the particular way Mafia is played here, so

of course

my gameplay is “textbooky”. “Textbooks” give you all the relevant information you need to play the game, and I’d rather be informed but “rigid” than uninformed and flexible. I’m eschewing flexibility, social bonding, and learning along the way in favor of more efficient scumhunting and having a general understanding of the way mafia is played here.

You did

not

just accuse me of using buzzwords. You have got to be kidding me. Bussing does not

have

to be one partner voting the other. Bussing is

scum distancing themselves from one another

. This includes general claims of suspicion. I feel personally insulted that you would even consider accusing me of using buzzwords without even understanding the word you claim I’m using as a buzzword. I also feel insulted that you would stoop so low as to accuse me of throwing a tantrum about meta, both claiming that I had an outburst of anger and implying that my emotional control is at the level of a small child. This was clearly not the case.

Again, you’ve cherry-picked words and phrases to make me look bad. I did, in fact, include my going after N_M in the “things I will omit” section. How coincidental that you somehow missed that.

Are you implying that I’m unable to create good reads without a mountain of evidence? Unless you also missed that by complete chance, I cited an instance from my previous game in which a single slip from a scum player caused a town player to go after them, culminating in a scum elimination. I also believe that people are more likely to reveal themselves in a particular moment rather than over time. You conveniently forgot to address that point of mine.

I start the game with a townread on everybody. Once they do something scummy, their towniness is knocked down a certain amount based on their infraction. Since Bob has contributed, not done anything scummy, and given good reads that I generally agree with, I townread him. I guess you missed that as well when I explained it earlier.

Your case against me is full of cherry-picked information made with the intent of agreeing with the majority of players. This sticks out to me as confirmation bias at best, and scum trying to agree with the town at worst. Perhaps you should actually read my previous rebuttals before making such a poorly written case.

[GeniusGamer]

For when you finish reading my essay: Lost, who would you like to be eliminated today? Please give at least 2 or 3 people.

[GeniusGamer]

It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

GG people in this sir have player a lot of Mafia, they usually don't make mistakes like that. You have to look deeper

I get the general meaning of your post, but can you clear up that typo?

[GeniusGamer]

I'd like to hear from lost and anyone else who hasn't posted about GG

probably scum

also gotta leave this here while i catch up.

How... unsubstantial. I feel insulted by the fact that your read on me is not a 10-page psychological analysis.

it's more substantial than your bambi case that's for sure

let me read posts i'm 10 pages behind

Pro Tip: I don’t really find it helpful to post

before

you’ve caught up. Also, I don’t think you’re in a position to call my posting unsubstantial when you have under 100 — actually, I’ll be generous — 75 posts at this point in the game.

Why do you think post number matters. And i would say most of your posts are unsubstantial. What reasoning there is in your posts is weak.

An example is how you try and push isis and bambi in one posts as partners. But never actualy come up with any reasoning as to why each one is scum. You say oh they must be buddies. Not even goign into why you think their exchnage that you quoted is AI. And how it lead you to that thought.

I did not say they

must

be partners, I said they could be partners.

i think someone needs to lynch Genius guys, his lack of contribution is unacceptable

*Cough* Hypocrite! *Cough*

Post count in itself doesn’t matter (though my post count has, in fact, reached the double digits). I have a particularly busy life to live. Also, I have called you out for not only your posting style, but also your hammer of Dong before he could defend himself. I see you as scum, so I will vote for you until you’re eliminated.

On a tangentially related note, we’re not really supposed to use the word “lynch” anymore.

Here you go on about post count. Yet claim lost cant criticize your posts due to lower post count

I said post count in and of itself doesn’t matter. Not only has Lost not posted as much as an average player should at this point in the game, but many of those posts were fluff.

[GeniusGamer]

I also didn’t say he

can’t

criticize my posts. I said I don’t think he has the authority to call my posting unsubstantial considering

his

unsubstantial posts.

[GeniusGamer]

my gg read is somewhat influenced by his playstyle and some premature associative tells, before you finish reading and mention these to me. i am aware.

i'm going to gloss over d1 content, but playstyle wise already felt weird. the relatively new join date does indicate he's new to the site, though he states himself he's not new to mafia. if anything he claims he has lots of experience playing, so it always bothers me why he approaches the game so rigidly. if he's new i would expect confusion, if he has had experience i'd expect him to adapt. his unwillingness to, i'm going to use this liberally, "play along" strikes me as scum trying to stick to a formula that he's used to, which includes the usual scumhunting emulation, trying to subtly towntell, always being on topic etcetc.

of course, this extends beyond his d1 play.

d2 wise he starts off with the nm push that he had since d1, backing it up with the lolhammer and lack of participation(195, 405, leading to 683) when there was basically little to no content end d1, therefore nm's lack of participation isn't that horrible, and the lolhammer is too lazy of a scumtell. people lolhammer as scum and as town. rejecting meta to continue pushing his reads. it's all too textbooky for this game, and as town there isn't any reason to be this way if you genuinely want to figure stuff out.

initial bambi vote is just horrible. some intentionally not playing well stuff because bambi was fooling around, which escalated into some argument, and somehow from that he concluded, and still thinks, bambi is scum. literally none of the bambi's posts that he had issues with related to the gamestate(jokes and some site meta).

the additional points subsequent bambi case wasn't that good either. his reference to 190 is NAI. the flipflop on the isis read, as pointed out before, just seems convenient for him to put his bambi case together. something about bambi bussing isis too which doesn't even make sense, because the bambi's psots about isis drunk posting have no relation to bambi bussing isis...bambi wasn't even voting isis? throwing out buzzwords trying to make something legit. this ties back in with my thoughts on his rigid playstyle. adding in 1014 to the case, anybody can flip from cracking jokes to providing a legitimate response. he says this as though if bambi started joking around that she should continue joking around. if someone responded properly to a joke i made calling it alignment indicative somehow, why wouldn't i respond seriously?

now i will state for the record that i do think tayl0r could be scum also, and gg's scumread on tayl0r does have me second guessing my gg scumread a bit. on one hand he has no reason to bus tayl0r unless it's a distancing thing that he decided when the game started. on the other hand, he never really explains the tayl0r read until late into the game(late being like a few posts back). and even when he does promise the tayl0r scumread, he pushes it off and doesn't deliver much. seems like he wants to create the distance between himself and tayl0r but doesn't really bother because, if somehow tayl0r does get eliminated, scum gets weaker.

i recognize that this tayl0r section is incredibly associative, but it iz what it iz

but speaking of tayl0r let's look at his tayl0r case:
talks about 32, not alignment indicative
talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

the issues with this is that, despite him having mentioned the tayl0r scumread multiple times, these 2 posts are all he comes up with. not to mention that the only thing he brought up from d1 was 32, and he's had the tayl0r read since he started. on top of that, it was a pretty lazy case despite him having work on it for quite a while. tayl0r read is probably fake, be it bussing or just picking a player to scumread for scumhunting's sake.

moving on from his scumreads to his town(?)reads. they're not really townreads but whatever his terminology is weird.

his bob read makes no sense. looks like a scum buddying up to a somewhat universally townread player. listens to nm-meta justifications from bob but not bambi and pp(if i rmb these names correctly) despite him previously throwing a tantrum over meta. i'm not sure if think is white-knighting or buddying, i think it's buddying.

there's also the townread on himself which is kind of lol. i think this is more of a him/playstyle thing and not super alignment indicative, but:
1056 his own towncase on himself has 0 towntells. him acknowledging that he does these as scum help his case less. claiming he has even townier things that he wouldn't do as scum under his "many other actions i will omit" and then never stating them. pretty bad, not really scummy, but doesn't help him look good. nor is it something he would do as town to engage and convince people.


tl;dr:
reads are poorly supported, lazy. typical scum emulating scumhunting kind of reads. never really bothers to look beyond textbook tells, which imo are important with this playerlist.
rigid playstyle makes me think scum sticking to his format, as opposed to if he were town and being able to adapt and not worry about getting caught.

I am new to this site. That’s true. So why don’t I express confusion often? I don’t know, maybe because there are places like the wiki to read! In fact, I

did

ask what hypoclaiming is in my very first post in this game, as that term wasn’t used in any of the places I’ve played mafia or the wiki.

I think there are two parts to my play style that make you think it’s “rigid”. One part of my play style that’s bothering you isn’t “rigid,” per se. It’s more like, “There are certain, very special things that will let you as scum to me with near certainty.” Some of them include (in order of most scummy to least): Lolhammering, outright refusing to cooperate, and not going after your strongest reads. I find those to be serious offenses.

You’re trying to convince me that a lolhammer is a lazy scumtell? So if [insert your strongest row read here] hammered someone as soon as that person was at E-1, you wouldn’t express suspicion towards the former? I don’t believe that.

Again, I brushed off a vague claim of “5 years of meta” that tried to excuse everything Not_Mafia did. If someone had actually decided to be specific and bring up an example, which Bob eventually did, I would have considered the meta. Not that anything can

fully

excuse someone from doing all that stuff.

Let me make this joke thing really clear from my point of view.

If you want to joke, you should do it in a way that makes very clear the fact that you’re joking

. I still don’t think Bambi was joking. No, I don’t think you have to put large red text stating “this is a joke”. No, I don’t think you even have to put it in a spoiler. But Bambi’s post just didn’t look at all like a joke. It did not look at all like someone defending a joke they made. It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

I’d have been voted out before Dong was if I played the way people on some sites do.. I’m trying to get used to the particular way Mafia is played here, so

of course

my gameplay is “textbooky”. “Textbooks” give you all the relevant information you need to play the game, and I’d rather be informed but “rigid” than uninformed and flexible. I’m eschewing flexibility, social bonding, and learning along the way in favor of more efficient scumhunting and having a general understanding of the way mafia is played here.

You did

not

just accuse me of using buzzwords. You have got to be kidding me. Bussing does not

have

to be one partner voting the other. Bussing is

scum distancing themselves from one another

. This includes general claims of suspicion. I feel personally insulted that you would even consider accusing me of using buzzwords without even understanding the word you claim I’m using as a buzzword. I also feel insulted that you would stoop so low as to accuse me of throwing a tantrum about meta, both claiming that I had an outburst of anger and implying that my emotional control is at the level of a small child. This was clearly not the case.

Again, you’ve cherry-picked words and phrases to make me look bad. I did, in fact, include my going after N_M in the “things I will omit” section. How coincidental that you somehow missed that.

Are you implying that I’m unable to create good reads without a mountain of evidence? Unless you also missed that by complete chance, I cited an instance from my previous game in which a single slip from a scum player caused a town player to go after them, culminating in a scum elimination. I also believe that people are more likely to reveal themselves in a particular moment rather than over time. You conveniently forgot to address that point of mine.

I start the game with a townread on everybody. Once they do something scummy, their towniness is knocked down a certain amount based on their infraction. Since Bob has contributed, not done anything scummy, and given good reads that I generally agree with, I townread him. I guess you missed that as well when I explained it earlier.

Your case against me is full of cherry-picked information made with the intent of agreeing with the majority of players. This sticks out to me as confirmation bias at best, and scum trying to agree with the town at worst. Perhaps you should actually read my previous rebuttals before making such a poorly written case.

tl;dr

Pffft. It’s nothing. Just read it all.

[GeniusGamer]

You said a newbie would be confused. I provided an example of me being confused due to not having played on this site often. What is your point there?

[GeniusGamer]

N_M obviously has a lot to gain as scum by lolhammering. It is very possible that Dong could have talked things out and convinced the majority of players of his towniness. N_M prevented that from happening, both cutting off discussion (there was, in fact, discussion going on at the time) and removing any chance of not miseliminating Dong.

Also, the whole PR thing doesn’t really make sense. Not_Mafia would be unable to know whether Dong was a PR or not with this setup, at that point in the game. If he was scum, all he’d know was that Dong was town. Therefore, whether he was town or scum, he was willing to take the risk of lolhammering. Either way, if Dong had been a PR,

this would result in him being eliminated

I would vote for him and everyone else would give him a free pass, because that’s what’s been happening so far.

No, I don’t consider that part of my strategy to be rigid. If someone claimed scum relatively seriously, refused to give reads, and hammered at every opportunity, wouldn’t you vote for them? And if you would, do you consider it rigid? I don’t. Instead, I consider it to be the only sensible course of action. Then again, it really depends on the person. If there’s a single intelligent reaction and you always do that reaction, is it rigidity, intelligence, or both? I personally just think it’s intelligence.

“Textbooky,” a phrase I used, is obviously not an English word. If it were, however, it would be synonymous with the adjective “textbook”. If you claim that I’m using textbook tells, you’re heavily implying that you’re calling my play textbook by extension.

Also, if I did a single particular thing (viciously scumreading N_M), and I point out that single particular thing, how is it cherry-picking? That’s like me saying “I know what 1 + 1 is; it’s 2” followed by you saying “You’re cherry-picking information because you only gave one instance of what 1 + 1 is.”

Is there anything I missed? I’d be happy to shoot down more of your inaccuracies.

[GeniusGamer]

Still don't like Pengu, I can already tell I can't read Genius when he's my opposite and this is his first real game on site. You seem smart and slightly townie so I trust you.

Newbie games don’t count? Huh, that’s weird.

Also, are you really just going to go along with what Lost says?

[GeniusGamer]

Yeah newbie games are babies slap fighting each other. And I don't see much reason otherwise to trust you over Lost.

So... playing in a newbie game automatically makes you a baby? That’s what you’re implying, but experienced players often play newbie games.

Also, what has Lost done that makes you find him trustworthy?

[GeniusGamer]

Yeah newbie games are babies slap fighting each other. And I don't see much reason otherwise to trust you over Lost.

So... playing in a newbie game automatically makes you a baby? That’s what you’re implying, but experienced players often play newbie games.

Also, what has Lost done that makes you find him trustworthy?

GG you are doing too much stuff like this and not enough actual scum hunting if you are actually town

Prompting Bambi about Lost isn’t considered scumhunting?

[GeniusGamer]

Well not when you've mainly focused on me and NotMaf this round I guess.

I also expressed suspicion of Tayl0r. Anyway, you can never be too sure of your scumreads.

[GeniusGamer]

What's that supposed to mean. "You can never be too sure of your scumreads"?
It sounds like something an grandma would say.

Or a robot.

Or a robot grandma.

[GeniusGamer]

Stop right there, I had an impromptu birthday party to attend! I was unable to post.

Okay, that really doesn’t sound believable, but it really did happen. Give me five or ten minutes to type up my next post.

[GeniusGamer]

it's been 5 and 10 minutes. it do b taking a long time to claim

That was an approximation. An inaccurate one. Plus, I couldn’t possibly try to stall with several days left.

I am the

Town Tracker

. I tracked Not_Mafia last night, and he visited Battle Mage, which made it

very

likely that he was scum.

[GeniusGamer]

How do you do fellow earthlin- i mean fellow HU-MANS. I was gone to this event which we all know the name of and can all appreciate called birthdays, which as i am sure we are all aware is the common celebration of an 1 year human cycle. I would also like to claim that i am the friendly and good role going by the name of TOWEN TRA-CCKER. And suggest we eliminate this enemic being by the name of NOT_MAEF.

For the record, I really wasn’t stalling. I only had enough time to post single sentences at a time.

[GeniusGamer]

[quote="In post 1392
Evil:
GeniusGamer

Hey, I’m not

evil

, I’m just playing towards my win condition

[GeniusGamer]

That's a scum claim i take it then.

Most certainly not. I played towards my win condition of finding scum, but my play is just scummy apparently.

[GeniusGamer]

[GeniusGamer]

I’m dead anyway, am I not? So if my claim is so incorrect, who

is

tracker/vig? Can’t answer that, hmm?

[GeniusGamer]

Peace... is for losers

[GeniusGamer]

But what a weight lifted off of my back! Make sure they’re not on your trail, Bambi! Keep away from those Tracker investigations, Tayl0r! Be voted out painfully, Not_Mafia!

[GeniusGamer]

Oh, and MWNN is one of my partners.

[GeniusGamer]

GG everyone!

Someone called?

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You've caught me in the middle of thinking about how Waswas is the last scum, just look at these quotes

Oh wow you hammered dong already??

This probably flips town :/

Some nice easy townpoints here

GeniusGamer might be the most I've wanted to remove a slot independent of its scumminess. But I don't actually know how scummy he is. Is there any post that sticks out to you, MURDER?
I think I remember one I didn't like but I forgot which one

Looking for outs

Hammer anyway before the real tracker can out, this is such an obvious scum slot

More stating the obvious for townpoints after the fact again

Tayl0r I feel where you're coming from, it'd be scummy if literally anyone else did it.

How conveniiiiient

bambi are you for real or meming

i don't actually know if bambi's claim is real, she has a meta of faking a lot as town

Rolefishing despite all her talk before of Tracker not outing

VOTE: MWNN

actually is there any reason bob doesn't just flip scum here?

part of me wants to twtbw the way he initially didn't want to join in on my push of GeniusGamer but I think it could just be this cognitive thing where it is harder to speculate alongside me knowing the answers. Whereas if he had a green rolecard it would be easier. So like, I think he was being earnest, but the earnestness is the problem.
To be clear that's the 20%, the 80% is the bizarre way GG described bob's slot, it looks awful, if he tied a townie to himself good job Genius you got some of the scum skills down pat

UNVOTE:
Norwee is bumbi scum

Look at all these alternatives to Taylor Waswas is throwing out all of a sudden

real hider goes up 3 tonight!!!!

Who is 3 down from Waswas
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Original Playerlist:

1. GeniusGamer
   
2. Tayl0r Swift
   
3. bob3141
   
4. Not_Mafia
   
5. ManWithNoName
   
6. Dongempire
   
7. Bambi Jay
   
8. NorwegianboyEE
   
9. MURDERCAT
   
10. Battle Mage
    
11. PenguinPower
    
12. Isis
    
13. Lost

How conveeeeniiiiieeeennntt, Taylor is 3 down from Waswas, guarenteeing that she won't be targetted by the hider

VOTE: T Swizzle

This comes when the Taylor elim is an inevitability

There's also a lot of soft pushing Taylor as town without committing and then hedging on it as she gathered more suspicion, basically positioning herself to go either way on Taylor

In conclusion:

VOTE: ISIS

You put so much effort into this, hmm? Good thing PP killed you could make that case

[GeniusGamer]

Also, could someone edit the history section of the wiki page for this setup?

[GeniusGamer]

Also, could someone edit the history section of the wiki page for this setup?

Isn't there a team to do this?

I have no idea.

[GeniusGamer]

...you stole my pagetop, Duck.

[GeniusGamer]

Do my PMs get published?

don't worry, they're between you and me. :*

Oh good

Now I’m wondering what was in those PMs...