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Hi I just paid 40 bucks for games I might not be able to play for a while ama
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until he obvtowns I'm considering him likely scumWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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I bought the Epic Battle Fantasy bundle on Steam, and I didn’t realize my chromebook wouldn’t be able to install the games until after I made the purchaseIn post 23, CreativeMod1 wrote:Gamma, that sucks...what game and why can't you play it for a while?
It’s not a total wash, whenever I get a windows computer for myself then I can play the games I bought but idk when that will be
Plus there’s the chance I can get a custom download for chromebook or something
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Depends on whether you think it’s better for scum (the doctors) to not hear about itWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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In post 48, Bingle wrote:
Can they be worms? Asking for a friend.In post 39, PenguinPower wrote:Penguins can't be doctors.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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WhyIn post 64, Fun and Games wrote:I think everyone should claim what they chose to do last night, or at the very least if they chose to explore or not
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Honestly if we want to coordinate something like this I suggest, at least for today, we do 3 on one, 3 on the other, and 6 don’t try to destroy a lab tonight.In post 74, Fun and Games wrote:Wouldnt we want to try to coordinate that so we dont have 7 people trying to do that at the same time?
It's very very possible I missed something in the rules but i'm not sure why we'd want/need to hide that info?
Or like now there's 2 labs. What if 6 people pile on the first one and nobody goes to the second one?
Like I just dont fully understand what the benefit is to deliberately be secretive about everything
Also stats are public so wouldnt we just want to send the people with like the two highest knowledge scores to lab 1 and then the next two people to lab 2 (or some slight variation on this)?
(I'm saying like 2 people because if we just send one they can be scum and just not go and lie about it, but if two people are sent we'd need them both to be scum for that to happen)
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Also, I think I’m willing to interpret this motion by F&G as neutrally benign, so I’ll state I explored
And to Bingle, no I did not see what room I entered in my personal results.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Huh
Apparently I didn’t find a specifically new room...? If not that then something wacky is happening
PEdit: yes I did get feedback from what I didWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Actually is the wombat thing something from a mafia game, or like, a DnD session?We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Y aren’t u?In post 244, Fun and Games wrote:
y are you fos'ing gamma here?In post 216, Albert B. Rampage wrote:FOS: Gamma
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Last edited by lilith2013 on Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:54 am, edited 1 time in total.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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As opposed to lazy town why?In post 256, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
He is being lazy scum.In post 244, Fun and Games wrote:
y are you fos'ing gamma here?In post 216, Albert B. Rampage wrote:FOS: Gamma
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my level of focus on this game is abysmal tbhIn post 271, GeorgeBailey wrote:@Gamma why are you voting Fun and Games? They're probably the most townie slot right now. Besides their mech-talk, they're actually suggesting town strategies and are trying to scum hunt.
I just felt like counterwagoning, and F&G was someone I remembered being scummy earlier on when I was paying more attentionWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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The setup spec early on felt like trying to draw out info from the townWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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I'm gonna have to ask some questions about that one, namely "why?"We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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not why I should vote there, but why are you voting thereWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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actually, why are you telling me to vote there, rather than trying to get me on board the wagon you're actually onWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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No? Unless you just voted for wagoning's sake. And even then it makes little sense to push me to vote a wagon you're not on, honestly.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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So I read Bingle's ISO a bit and it turns out he SRs both Sc and Ydrasse, and out of those two I like the reasoning put forward against SC more, this seems like a sound mini-caseIn post 170, Bingle wrote:
Except... He didn't just miss the part about the doctors being able to reduce knowledge. He missed multiple different places where multitasking was confirmed.In post 156, Fun and Games wrote:I can definitely see someone missing the part about doctors being able to reduce knowledge by 1 each night or the part that if any stat is reduced to 0 it will result in death.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 1, under deadlines.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 5, 4 times under the actions heading, in every paragraph.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 6, once under Resolution/Interaction of Night Actions, once under attacks/steals, and once under Results.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 7, under General Setup Information and under the Doctor Faction.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 8, in the sample role PM. You know, the sample role PM that would mirror the role PM SirCakes would have gotten as town.
The Lab win condition, by comparison, was confirmed only in post 4.
So, in order for SirCakez to be telling the truth about the multitasking being forgotten, he had to have read how actions work in order to make his N0 actions and his own role PM in order to confirm. He also provably is scum or read at least enough of the rules to understand the secondary wincondition is {Scum activate Labs}.
I find it way more likely that SirCakez was trying to townslip as scum by "not being aware" of that aspect of the game than that he forgot something that came up in literally every rules post and his own role PM after reading the rules. I find it way way more likely that he's scum trying to fake a townslip than that he didn't look at any of the rules posts after having not remembered them but had read them in the first place WHILE ATTEMPTING TO ENGAGE IN SETUP SPEC.
I find it way more likely that SC is scum than that SC is town who came into the thread to do setup spec, then shifted directly to complaining about how he's not good at setup spec without doing anything else.
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I think soIn post 344, SirCakez wrote:Does penguin always play like this?We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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No...? Like, scum already have a hidden attack, this ON TOP of that makes 0 senseIn post 361, SirCakez wrote:
This sounds like it could be a scum role...In post 359, Ydrasse wrote:I AM ASSASSIN.
my role allows me to attack someone as many times as my speed allows per night, rather than once; however, this does not allow me to do another specific action during the night.
i'm claiming because my other post didn't deter things but i would actually like to be useful and get multiple attacks off on scum, ty.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Vote him then.In post 364, PenguinPower wrote:
I prefer cakeman.In post 362, Fun and Games wrote:zzzzzzz this ydrasse wagon is boring can we vote like georgebailey or something?
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Yeah bee boy hasn’t powertowned yet which probably makes him scum : )
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Did this game shift over to my homesite, because the focus on night play is absurd rnWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Can I just sayHow It’s MadeI’d honestly a really engrossing showWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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See I have a role that iirc prioritizes knowledge so I went to the library instead of the gym
Just figured I’d put that out there before stats showed up and everyone started pointing fingers at me for a bad reasonWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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No, fuck anyone trying to mandate night actionsWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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IKS, it looked like he was saying if you are Town you should go to the gym. Given what we now know that’s a shitty plan to push.In post 499, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 485, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:I mean. We can win only by eliminating doctors. Gym or no gym.
Who are you talking to Gamma?In post 486, Gamma Emerald wrote:No, fuck anyone trying to mandate night actionsWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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or you can read the last line of the post, PPWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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that's fair, my thing doesn't really counter what you're sayingWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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I don’t distrust you yet, but I feel like scum may have ways around certain action limits, such that they may have been able to freely activate a labIn post 530, CreativeMod1 wrote:
Very good question, tbh I was thinking of the actual Betrayal game and thinking about how you gotta be in the same room as someone to attack them or do actions against themIn post 507, PenguinPower wrote:
Why did you assume that scum would have an ability to target an entire room?In post 493, CreativeMod1 wrote:Also this is why I didn't go into the gym, felt it would've been a prime target for scum
Either way as it's been mentioned by other people, both labs got activated and we know a roleblock happened in the Gym, given that I did something else, there's a good chance I didn't do any of the doctor sided actions (unless you think I'm a 4th doctor here)We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Btw just to make things a little spicier:
I think one of the consensus scumreads is correct.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”. Now, why would my role say activate when I’m Town? My guess is scum has the same power on one of them. Since this action still requires a knowledge roll, I’m inclined to suspect anyone with elevated knowledge during N1, as they would have probably done so in order to be able to activate labs easier. The only person alive during N1 with increased knowledge was Pine. So I am going to
VOTE: Pine
And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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I think on a preponderance of evidence from my own role information and the events of N1 shows Pine has a good chance to be scum. I could also see him being scum by play, but mechanics was the driving element here.In post 547, Bingle wrote:
Interesting. That’s +equity for small town. Also Pine is a scumread?In post 545, Gamma Emerald wrote:And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.
@IKS acknowledged, however there’s still the fact 2 labs were activated, I suspect Pine may have used his elevated knowledge to do so, since while the exact details aren’t disclosed I know scum still need to do a knowledge roll to activate labs, seeing as it’s required in the role portion I described.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge checkWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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In post 560, Bingle wrote:
Explicitly though you can activate labs? Can you ask what number you would need?In post 558, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge check
I just checked and it’s a doctors only thingIn post 561, Gamma Emerald wrote:I never thought to try that actuallyWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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509 feels more like scum over explaining than a genuine town explanation to me, as in “that’s the more likely scenario for a post like that”In post 577, Fun and Games wrote:On the flip side if Pine is innocent and was framed we're going to lose one of the people with extra knowledge who could've disarmed a lab.
Also the idea of mafia deciding to pump up their own knowledge and then go flip open some labs feels kind of too straightforward to me - I'd feel they'd at least try to be sneaky about it.
I also find his explanation
to be convincing - it feels like a real thought process that somebody blocked from getting the speed up would think of and not something a mafia would make up after the fact or pre-planned out.In post 509, Pine wrote:No.
I also visited the gym. The prospect of bumping to 4 speed and having my action essentially refunded was too tempting
My better half is currently VLA for the weekend so I have not had a chance to discuss this with her yet but I feel the speed with which this wagon has moved based on fairly flimsy evidence is concerning.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Yeah, there’s no way to “be sneaky” about it, stats are public knowledgeIn post 578, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:In post 577, Fun and Games wrote: Also the idea of mafia deciding to pump up their own knowledge and then go flip open some labs feels kind of too straightforward to me - I'd feel they'd at least try to be sneaky about it.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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The fact two labs ended up being activated is why I had the thought now. Before then it would have merely been conjecture, as stats likely have several uses. With that evidence of the labs, it becomes a situation of “what enabled them to activate 2 in one night?”, which is where my thoughts come in.In post 592, Ydrasse wrote:gamma, i have to ask: was this not on your mind d1...? there were a few people who had increased knowledge (pine/gb) and yet you didn't end up voting either of them and instead ended on sircakez. is this theory something that occured to you like, after d1?
I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Real convenient hearing that from you. But to clarify, my ability allows activation/destruction without losing a speed stat action. I haven’t explicitly confirmed this, but there’s nothing indicating one couldn’t do this as well as using the speed stat actions to activate one.In post 598, Pine wrote:
Gamma's "revelation" was public knowledge, you knobs.In post 4, lilith2013 wrote:WINCONDITIONS
TEST SUBJECTS(town) win when allDOCTORSare dead.
DOCTORS(mafia) win when any of the following conditions are satisfied:
1) Their number is equal to or greater than the number of remainingTEST SUBJECTSat any point during the Day phase, or
2) The number of activatedLABSis equal to or greater than the number of remainingTEST SUBJECTS, and the Voice (leader of theDOCTORS) is still alive, or
3) The number of activatedLABSis strictly greater than the number of remainingTEST SUBJECTS.
HOW TO ACHIEVE WIN CONDITIONS:
Some combination of the following can be used to achieve win conditions:- Eliminate players with your vote.
- Kill players by attacking them until any stat is reduced to 0.
- Activate or Destroy LABSusing Knowledge rolls.
I don't know where the +1 knowledge came from.
The thing that implicates you isn’t having elevated knowledge by itself. It’s having it when 2 Labs got activated. That tells me scum managed to meet the number to activate not once, but twice, which makes me think they had raised knowledge. In addition it’s quite possible that the same scum activated both through a speed stat action and the role I have.
In addition, you just generally haven’t done much to solve the game. I understand you’re very commonly not an active player these days, but you’re not contributing even still from what’s been seen so far.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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How would having a +1 knowledge implicate anyone in itself?In post 606, Albert B. Rampage wrote:How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Hydra = F&G right? ABR does seem a bit sus but in a towny way rn. I might be a bit slow here but how does setup make Cmod town again? Agreed about Ydrasse prolly being townIn post 625, JohnnyFarrar wrote:All this mechanic talk is why I used to only play open games I still haven't read this setup.
VOTE: pine because he's scum but I have a few things I wanna discuss
Hydra seems quiet today, internal strife?
Albert B. makes me nervous. More of a feeling.
I would vote Cmod if setup didn't point to cmod town.
Tempted to stake my life on ydrasse town
Bit curious how you went from having synthesized very information to this. Not saying it's not possible but there's not much evidence you managed to get to this point.
@MOD personal PTs are transferred whenever a player is replaced right?We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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ok the timestamps between posts check out at least, there was an hour gapWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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I was told I was attacked by scum, it said a doctor attacked me and I took damageIn post 639, SirCakez wrote:
How do you know scum attacked you and not a townie?In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The fact two labs ended up being activated is why I had the thought now. Before then it would have merely been conjecture, as stats likely have several uses. With that evidence of the labs, it becomes a situation of “what enabled them to activate 2 in one night?”, which is where my thoughts come in.In post 592, Ydrasse wrote:gamma, i have to ask: was this not on your mind d1...? there were a few people who had increased knowledge (pine/gb) and yet you didn't end up voting either of them and instead ended on sircakez. is this theory something that occured to you like, after d1?
I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.
Did you not see that I lost speed? And I also don't like the loaded question aspect of this, lightly implying I'm not "a townie"We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Who the fuck said scum have a +1 knowledge modifier?In post 645, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
I want to examine this question more closely. Where did scum use their knowledge modifier N2? How do you know if Gamma really visited the library, rather than giving himself the +1 knowledge right before activating a lab?In post 631, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:
Based on the fact that he lost speed, visited library and 2 labs were activated - not very likely.In post 606, Albert B. Rampage wrote:How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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I was the one who first brought forth the mechanical argument against pine, and I also think he's not really made any effort that would be indicative of his towngame. He is actually quite strong as town sometimes, and I'm seeing none of it. This even accounts for not being active, as even in games where he's less active he still makes those effortsIn post 689, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Yeah fun and games. They were on the Bailey wagon but I liked their vote so
As cmod has so kindly pointed out, we can point to about 5 things scum did last night, and he can prove he didn't do any of those with these items
I do have a pt with beebs name crossed out
Thoughts on pine, gamma?
So yeah, I'm scumreading Pine if that wasn't clearWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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maybe because I wanted to raise my knowledge?In post 646, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Why didn't Gamma attempt to destroy the lab?In post 642, Bingle wrote:I have absolutely no intention to vote him, but his claimed role is supposedly worded pretty strangely. We also theoretically had a 60% chance of destroying the N0 lab if both he and I attacked it and did not.
Stop throwing weak ass shade, bro.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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can't you only hand your items out at night? That's what I got from the rules regarding thatIn post 658, CreativeMod1 wrote:Urm, I'm not the best at scum reads tbh but something doesn't sit right with me about bingle
I understand the mechanical scum read on pine but won't hammer until we've heard more from Pine
Also Pine, can you make sure you send out any items you have to your biggest town read before you die pleaseWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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and btw, dw about restoring my speed to 3, I still would just have 1 action a nightWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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I at least think nos can be softcleared based on his posting on the previous pageWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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roomblock was probably factional, but things are lining up to where it seems my theory about what they did to activate 2 labs is being supportedIn post 681, CreativeMod1 wrote:I'm so confused by a lot of things
Nos, you're saying you got operated on last night?
So if we count all the actions we believe Doctors did last night:
1) Roomblocked the gym
2) Activated Lab 1
3) Activated Lab 2
4) Operated on Nos
5) Factional attack on Gamma
btw I think upon a Pine scumflip we need to light a fire under ABR and Cakez for both shading me
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if you have anything that can disrupt some else's action's at night I'd prefer to be the one who gets itWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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