Mini Theme 2165: MafiaSunny (Complete!)

[Noraa]

Hello!!!! I caught up when I replaced in but then forgot everything sooo bear with me while I go reread for the second time now:)

[Noraa]

I gotta big booty so they call me big booty.

VOTE: VP Baltar

You know what you did.

Looking back on this knowing that they were butt sunny makes me laugh. Then again he died so I should offer my condolences

Spoiler:

the story of sunny, as told by me, from july 1st, when i first discovered them

that morning, nc's tourism department unveiled their big marketing campaign plan to help the state recover.
at first im like... okay, this is fine.


"not bad", i thought, "except i dont know what FLONK IF YOU'RE WEARING A MASK means, because they chose the worst font imaginable for BILLBOARDS while people are DRIVING THEIR CAR"

certainly, it can't get weirder or worse right?
wrong.

enter: soundcloud ads.


now... who the FUCK is that, you might ask?

that, my friends, is SUNNY. the mascot of this campaign.
here is his official introduction photo.



now, you might be thinking that sunny isn't very sunny, and you'd be right.

so they hit us with some more ad concepts.



that's right -- dress like the locals.
naked.
but wearing a mask.

now, i can already here you:
"reck, this is genius. but... what does the campaign sound like? you know, sonically?"

well, i am so glad you asked. because there's a jingle.
i rushed to OBS at the time to record it live, but luckily, there's an OFFICIAL track now


it includes such provocative lines like
"traveling, shopping, ordering a pa-ni-ni
you can count on me NC"

and

"we're all in this together like a potpourri"

maybe you're thinking... surely, this is it, right?
no. because i started sharing this around to various groups and boy did it meme out of control very quickly.








that last one is courtesy of our very own haschel cedricson

anyway, since then, more ads have come out. there's one where sunny is taking a shit (i am 500% not fucking with you) and then they released a FULLY ANIMATED MUSIC VIDEO for the jingle



and i think that's when we all realized:
sunny is all of us
sunny is love
sunny is life
sunny is everything

Not sure if this is considered IIoa since it was so early in the game day but eh I'll put this thought out there

[Noraa]

Is there a reason for anyone voting anything or are y'all so caught up in the glory that is Sunny that you are just voting randomly

(pls this is my 0.5th game of mafia, if this is a tradition i aint familiar)

Most mafia games start with joke votes until something more real builds.

I'm actually increasingly happy with this Gamma Emerald vote though. You should hop on this wagon

Are you encouraging

sheeping

?
Suspicious...

....a lot of people do this shit during rvs

UNVOTE: Untrod Tripod Beautiful Sunny Edit

VOTE: VP Baltar For encouraging sheeping..

alright then. newbscum or newbtown I cannot tell.

[Noraa]

last game I was in with him I got a real scummy vibe off his early posts, then he talked me into not voting him by being one of the only not-absolutely-obnoxious people posting

then he flipped scum

so I should probably just trust my gut here

...meta can go fuck itself

VOTE: Gamma

notsci

I might be stupid but is Annie a hydra?

last game I was in with him I got a real scummy vibe off his early posts, then he talked me into not voting him by being one of the only not-absolutely-obnoxious people posting

then he flipped scum

so I should probably just trust my gut here

ALERT ALERT ALERT



IS THAT UT... USING META?

BUT WE ALL KNOW META IS GARBAGE

Ah yes

that is single handedly the largest tonal overreaction ive ever seen in a mafia game and i feel like chkflip vastly overestimated the read he had on the room

VOTE: chkflip

I agree with this but ig turns out it was just playstyle

That's a bit harsh (；・∀・)
I mean I think he might be scum but only in the mafia game sense not in the personality sense

hmmmmm maybe its just me but like normally when im scum I cling onto someone thats SRed a lot but is town.....

[Noraa]

Yep VOTE: chkflip

Never played with you before but your votes never come with reasons and you don't seem to be trying to solve. It's either a scumtell or your playstyle. I'll assume it's play style for now

Sure. Let's both do it.

Spoiler: Here is why it is bad. No peeking until you've also answered the question.

I'll post the actual answer in my next post; no fair copying off of me!

I peeked .. but then I was very disappointed -________-

In summary: I don't like that people dogpiled chkdsk for shit that VP also did and got excused for.

I kinda low-key agree here

Alrighty now imma go thru and read chkflip's ISO bc since they flipped green, their opinions r 100% valid

[Noraa]

Hmmmmmmmmmm you aren't also noraaa with three a's are you?

nope this is my first and only account on this website

[Noraa]

Welcome Noraa!
Well I didn't think that chkflip was scum and I'm not that pleased to be right. (I love these flavour role names though)
Gonna look at the wagon on chkflip, it's very possible most/all of the people that voted them are town but could be a scum player who hopped on an easy kill there somewhere.

Hello hello!

[Noraa]

mmmm to be completely honest the ISO had close to zero content. All I got out of it was kinda, "I DONT LIKE VP SO LIM HIM"
whateves I might try to get more out of it later but for now thats it for my catch up
peace out

[Noraa]

Hmmmmmmmmmm you aren't also noraaa with three a's are you?

nope this is my first and only account on this website

oh nm.

Have you played mafia on other sites? Trying to gauge your experience level here.

I haven't played any. I have one finished scumgame and am carrying 4 games currently. My experience you can think of as nonexistent

[Noraa]

VP ur a meta person?

[Noraa]

if you wanna waste a hot 5 hours, you can read my only finished scumgame, Doggos.

[Noraa]

My catch up posts had them all

[Noraa]

alright I'll clarify them in a bit

[Noraa]

Well ... basically my read rn is I have a slight SR on reck and brighteningskies

[Noraa]

everyone else is a bit null

[Noraa]

I have a slight SR on reck

SPICY

let's get into that

I don't follow...
was there more scumtells that I missed?

[Noraa]

As far as I'm concerned she's not too scummy

[Noraa]

basically yes. You said "let's get into that" which made it sound like there was lots of content. But I either missed all the content or am very stupid. can't think of another alternative...

[Noraa]

would. you. care. to. elaborate. on. your. scumread. on. reck?

IIoa and their tone seems ... idk the best I can describe it is fake. just some gut scum pings that are getting me a SR

[Noraa]

There wasn't any other IIoa. That reason was thrown in. The main reason is just the tone is off. It doesn't particularly matter tbh. If ur scum, I'm sure I'll see more problems soon enough. If ur not, then my gut's wrong. I think I haven't heard even close to as much as I would like to hear from just about everyone here to really put some good reads together so I will be waiting a bit before voting and putting a full on read together.

[Noraa]

would. you. care. to. elaborate. on. your. scumread. on. reck?

IIoa and their tone seems ... idk the best I can describe it is fake. just some gut scum pings that are getting me a SR

it took me asking three times to get this weak shit?

correct

[Noraa]

that sums it up nice

[Noraa]

the absolute audacity on this newbie

that above post of mine wasn't meant to come after urs. It was supposed to be before. idk mafiascum sometimes is glitchy af and doesn't show that new posts have been made when I post. dunno why

[Noraa]

the absolute audacity on this newbie

that above post of mine wasn't meant to come after urs. It was supposed to be before. idk mafiascum sometimes is glitchy af and doesn't show that new posts have been made when I post. dunno why

i was referring to your 'correct' post

ah well then continue and pretend I didn't rudely interrupt ^^

[Noraa]

agreed
these are wise words <.<

[Noraa]

Hey Reck how's it going.

i'm good thanks hbu

I'm good too thanks.

such an interesting convo .-.

[Noraa]

wasn't here for that
what's shitposting?

[Noraa]

I'm a god at fluffposting tho

[Noraa]

Shit went down while I was eating dinner eh? I have some other stuff to do and might post some stuff on this later today. AGar nice limpool. Newbies are always good lynchbait as far as I'm concerned ^^

[Noraa]

(I'm talking about myself in case someone out there didn't understand)

[Noraa]

We should yeet from {DrPepper/Noraa/Tn}

Why noraa over someone like Ythan?

I'll always prioritize active behavior that I find scummy over passive behavior. Noraa's entrance wrt IIoA reeks of "Oh hey, I found something I can whip together a stance on that's bound to be bulletproof! Let's roll!" because absent context, Reck's post *was* a waste and IIoA. But it's obv not because of context of the game. Ythan is being what I remember Ythan being and while it's not particularly *helpful*, I'm also generally loathe to just go "Well he's posting minimally and not doing super town things, yeet him" when there's other players who are actively doing things that I find to be advancing a scum wincon.

Aaand since I've talked more about the other two players than the one I'm voting:
DrPepper I find a bit more dangerous because he's trying to turn powerlurking D1 into "I now have a stance that the wagon on Day 1 was

bad

." Like we all can use our goddamned eyes and see the chk wagon was bad with the hindsight of a flip. Posturing your D2 play around broadly taking down the wagon because the D1 flip was town is an easy way to blend in and look town while not having to actively really do any heavy lifting. The takes are prefabricated for you, you can't be wrong on them.

I don't agree with this read on me. I read thru the thread and the only two players that had even the slightest scummy vibes, I pointed out. I agree my use of the term IIoa on Reck's post wasn't the hottest but I also said in one of my first posts that I wasn't sure if it was considered IIoa since it was so early in the game. The second person that I sussed was Ythan. I think my slight SR on him is reasonable. His playstyle is a little bit scummy and although my posts often aren't too helpful, I feel his contain more or less the same amount of content as mine. I do not recognize anyone from this list of players so I can't tell what is a scum tell and what is just pure play style. Besides my catch up is there anything else that makes for a scumread?

I think BS is the one I suspected not Nora. But newbies so w/e them both for now.

Ik their name is brighteningskies but dude u really couldn't think of anything better than BS? Like Bright, Brightening, Skies, Sky, idk whatever is better than BS -______-

[Noraa]

Shit went down while I was eating dinner eh? I have some other stuff to do and might post some stuff on this later today. AGar nice limpool. Newbies are always good lynchbait as far as I'm concerned ^^

(I'm talking about myself in case someone out there didn't understand)

SIGH

I don’t see this as particularly suspicious but I know someone will and I can’t exactly fault them for that

"I know someone will"
but then ur the only one that talks about it.
Alright inform me of why scum!Noraa would choose to say this
oh btw that theory is really a stretch and proposing theories like that isn't that helpful in moving the game forward bc generally they're wrong

[Noraa]

Theres literally 78 possible scum teams
(13 choose 2)
The probability of finding the right two scum day 1/2 is very very low imo

[Noraa]

I would like to hear a fellow newbie's opinion as well. My reads are still nowhere near solid and I need some outside influence to solidify more

[Noraa]

I agree with Ythan here. People tend to cut newbies some slack which is the only reason I made it to day 3 in my first scumgame. But at the same time newbies are really difficult to read and understand. What goes thru their minds can be very difficult to understand even for us.

[Noraa]

LAMIST isn't my thing but whateves

[Noraa]

So far all I got is:
Slight townread: Ythan, VP
Slight scumread: Haschel, Noraa

mmm I'm getting OMGUS vibes since I sussed her earlier

[Noraa]

Just because I don't want to assume there are definitely mafia players on the wagon but I suspect there might be one.

Who would that potential scum be and why?

Skies, you never answered this. Hit me with it. Who is scum on the chkflip wagon and why?

there's no way she didn't see this tho.....
am I overthinking or no?

[Noraa]

So far all I got is:
Slight townread: Ythan, VP
Slight scumread: Haschel, Noraa

mmm I'm getting OMGUS vibes since I sussed her earlier

You didn’t really give any reasons why you sussed me earlier and it didn’t seem as if you wanted much of a reply. Also *They.
But no I scumread you because of your post being all “hello look how town I am a scum player wouldn’t do this”

apologies I didn't double check
hm fair enough
I don't think its scummy tbh but eh if u want to, I can't stop u

[Noraa]

LMAO LMAO LMAO
I'm wondering how anyones gonna even be able to make some water in the ocean look like a sunny
ig that's a bonus challenge for anyone that has hella spare time

[Noraa]

thanks Sky! "image editing is my weakness" dude u haven't seen my garbage edits so u can't talk

[Noraa]

But you can't even see sunny the sun in my avatar ;(

[Noraa]

good point

[Noraa]

Theres literally 78 possible scum teams
(13 choose 2)
The probability of finding the right two scum day 1/2 is very very low imo

This math doesn’t check out at all, even with the super-wrong idea that there are 2 scum, normally there’s 3 in a game this size

meh all ive done are newbie games and those always have 2. I did two marathon but I didn't know wtf was going on most the time so eh I always assume there's 2

[Noraa]

Let's talk about how Nora said there's two scum for a second.

sure thing

[Noraa]

I know it's probably wrong of me but i townread brighteningskies for making people sunny avatars

I'm a baby in game age compared to you and I think that's a bad reason for a TR. It does mean she's nice tho:D

[Noraa]

I know it's probably wrong of me but i townread brighteningskies for making people sunny avatars

I'm a baby in game age compared to you and I think that's a bad reason for a TR. It does mean she's nice tho:D

Skies' pronoun is they, not she.

Agree it is NAI though

AHHHH GOD DAMNIT
apologies again sky.

[Noraa]

Im trying sorry I'm dumbbbbbbbbbb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Noraa]

And also about the 2 scum on wagon and 1 scum off or 1 scum on and 2 scum off, I think on and off wagon doesn't really mean much tbh. Like yes obviously the scums want as many mislims as possible, but I think whether or not they r on has a lot of different factors play in so it isn't a good deciding factor. Now generally I would say it definitely has at least one scum on it but I think we should be choosing todays lim based on SRs and not let the wagon change our reads a ton.

[Noraa]

And also about the 2 scum on wagon and 1 scum off or 1 scum on and 2 scum off, I think on and off wagon doesn't really mean much tbh. Like yes obviously the scums want as many mislims as possible, but I think whether or not they r on has a lot of different factors play in so it isn't a good deciding factor. Now generally I would say it definitely has at least one scum on it but I think we should be choosing todays lim based on SRs and not let the wagon change our reads a ton.

k but u rong doe

okee den...
but why? can I hear an explanation?

[Noraa]

Didn't someone call gamma "easy lynchbait" or something a while ago?

[Noraa]

Wow I feel like that's a really suspect post let me look a little closer.

my post or whoever said it's post?

[Noraa]

Are you saying that you recall one player refering to Gamma as easy pickings and that's your response when someone says they suspect Gamma? This seems really fake.

my point was that if gamma is known to normally be easy lynch bait, then someone on the chkflip wagon starting a wagon on gamma doesn't read too hot

[Noraa]

Do YOU think Gamma is easy pickings, Nora?

not particularly, no. I've only played one game with gamma in it and I'm pretty sure I got limmed earlier...

[Noraa]

hmmm I don't see anything scummy from either you or gamma in this interaction. I could see gamma thinking I'm easy lynchbait and trying to set me up but besides that, I don't see anything insane.

[Noraa]

That's what I think he was doing yes.

That's what I think he was doing yes.

if he was purposefully doing that, imma SR him to hell and back. lol I'm still salty about being lynchbait in the only two marathon games I did <.<

[Noraa]

I didn’t realize that was something that warranted a reply? It just seems like you don’t and won’t agree with me at that point. Previous interactions with you haven’t really given me any faith in how willing you are to listen to me either. And I don’t think it’s fair to say I’m going after “easy yeetbait” when Reck’s like, the only other person I recall suspecting her like I have, and I’m the only one voting her. Seems a bit like she’s playing the victim here.
Also, I don’t think marathon games are a good barometer for forum mafia skill. I know someone who was actually very strong in the marathon format but not as much when trying out forum mafia.

Side note, why is everyone suspecting Ythan? I don’t exactly see it, and it seems like it could be regarding playstyle but maybe I am missing something. Because the way he’s constantly asking about what I’m saying with no sign of actually attempt to process it is getting old, and is something I could see as a scum move.

I'm not playing victim. All I said was that its possible you were setting me up as limbait which duh it's possible. It seems to me more like we have an overly defensive scum!gamma here but I don't have a strong SR quite yet. The uh next part doesn't make sense unless you typoed and meant to say "Why isn't everyone suspecting ...."

[Noraa]

I suspect he wants to hop on now that Haschel's voted me but doesn't want to give us whiplash so he's playing it down.

Basically you think he's gonna give ur wagon a push and then blame Haschel since Haschel started the wagon right?

[Noraa]

I see a point here. He wants to make sure no one traces it back to him. Doesn't want to take responsibility for a mislim that he saw hope in. Smart scum move.

[Noraa]

I'm off to bed for the night. Gamma you've caught my full attention. Congrats now u definitely won't be left out of the day 2 limpool on my end

[Noraa]

Shit went down while I was eating dinner eh? I have some other stuff to do and might post some stuff on this later today. AGar nice limpool. Newbies are always good lynchbait as far as I'm concerned ^^

(I'm talking about myself in case someone out there didn't understand)

SIGH

I don’t see this as particularly suspicious but I know someone will and I can’t exactly fault them for that

"I know someone will"
but then ur the only one that talks about it.
Alright inform me of why scum!Noraa would choose to say this
oh btw that theory is really a stretch and proposing theories like that isn't that helpful in moving the game forward bc generally they're wrong

I’m sorry I thought at least one of these fogies would jump at that upon seeing it
In the past I’ve seen people utter the idea that calling yourself yeetbait is scummy. It’s not, and that mindset also probably is closely related to the idea that yeetbait cannot be scum, which is also false. Yeetbait just means you’re an easy target, essentially the same as LHF. Sometimes scum is just obviously suspicious.

I don't understand why you thought it necessary to reply to this post twice...
I'm not exactly "easy to sway" but my opinions and reads do change if I think it's a reasonable change. For example Reck, my slight SR there wasn't particularly strong in the first place and it was so early in the game that I felt it was reasonable to drop it.

[Noraa]

As I said, even if it was IIoa, it was too early in the game to be a SR anyways so I dropped it. I've had to explain my SR on reck many times now and don't see the point in explaining why I had it and why I dropped it anymore.
If I remember correctly, Agar and Reck are the ones with votes on me.
Agar never replied to one of my posts directed at him I'm pretty sure
Reck, as I've already explained multiple times, I dropped my SR of so Reck is basically a null read right now

[Noraa]

I replied to your post 293 with post 310. I never heard anything about it again from your side....

[Noraa]

YO THIS IS MY EXACT WORRY EXCEPT ABOUT YOU AND IT BUGS ME OUT.

sorry to break it to you but the image doesn't show up.

[Noraa]

but then isn't everyone gonna get prodded 3 times and replaced if we're all staying quiet til Dr. P's back?

[Noraa]

We are?

[Noraa]

Dayum okee welp then someones supposed to declare intent now

[Noraa]

It would've been kinda funny if mod went thru all the trouble to get page top and someone posted a hot second before him and he ended up not getting page top.
this is a bit random but eh im bored and bored times call for random thoughts

[Noraa]

It would've been kinda funny if mod went thru all the trouble to get page top and someone posted a hot second before him and he ended up not getting page top.
this is a bit random but eh im bored and bored times call for random thoughts

I can delete posts in this thread so I would just have deleted one of the Sunnys!

oh nu fun! <.<

[Noraa]

Besides agreeabilty and some random shit on the literal second post I posted after replacing in, does anyone have any actual reasons for a SR on me?
I'd like to question how sure anyone is on my alignment bc it just seems to me like no one has a single satisfactory reason besides Ythan and kinda Agar. The funny thing is that they are the only ones that have sussed me that seem like they r trying to solve for town and they are both not on my wagon.

[Noraa]

would. you. care. to. elaborate. on. your. scumread. on. reck?

IIoa and their tone seems ... idk the best I can describe it is fake. just some gut scum pings that are getting me a SR

There wasn't any other IIoa. That reason was thrown in. The main reason is just the tone is off. It doesn't particularly matter tbh. If ur scum, I'm sure I'll see more problems soon enough. If ur not, then my gut's wrong. I think I haven't heard even close to as much as I would like to hear from just about everyone here to really put some good reads together so I will be waiting a bit before voting and putting a full on read together.

We should yeet from {DrPepper/Noraa/Tn}

Why noraa over someone like Ythan?

I'll always prioritize active behavior that I find scummy over passive behavior. Noraa's entrance wrt IIoA reeks of "Oh hey, I found something I can whip together a stance on that's bound to be bulletproof! Let's roll!" because absent context, Reck's post *was* a waste and IIoA. But it's obv not because of context of the game. Ythan is being what I remember Ythan being and while it's not particularly *helpful*, I'm also generally loathe to just go "Well he's posting minimally and not doing super town things, yeet him" when there's other players who are actively doing things that I find to be advancing a scum wincon.

Aaand since I've talked more about the other two players than the one I'm voting:
DrPepper I find a bit more dangerous because he's trying to turn powerlurking D1 into "I now have a stance that the wagon on Day 1 was

bad

." Like we all can use our goddamned eyes and see the chk wagon was bad with the hindsight of a flip. Posturing your D2 play around broadly taking down the wagon because the D1 flip was town is an easy way to blend in and look town while not having to actively really do any heavy lifting. The takes are prefabricated for you, you can't be wrong on them.

I don't agree with this read on me. I read thru the thread and the only two players that had even the slightest scummy vibes, I pointed out. I agree my use of the term IIoa on Reck's post wasn't the hottest but I also said in one of my first posts that I wasn't sure if it was considered IIoa since it was so early in the game. The second person that I sussed was Ythan. I think my slight SR on him is reasonable. His playstyle is a little bit scummy and although my posts often aren't too helpful, I feel his contain more or less the same amount of content as mine. I do not recognize anyone from this list of players so I can't tell what is a scum tell and what is just pure play style. Besides my catch up is there anything else that makes for a scumread?

I think BS is the one I suspected not Nora. But newbies so w/e them both for now.

Ik their name is brighteningskies but dude u really couldn't think of anything better than BS? Like Bright, Brightening, Skies, Sky, idk whatever is better than BS -______-

As I said, even if it was IIoa, it was too early in the game to be a SR anyways so I dropped it. I've had to explain my SR on reck many times now and don't see the point in explaining why I had it and why I dropped it anymore.
If I remember correctly, Agar and Reck are the ones with votes on me.
Agar never replied to one of my posts directed at him I'm pretty sure
Reck, as I've already explained multiple times, I dropped my SR of so Reck is basically a null read right now

Everyone that is sussing me for this reason has absolutely nothing on me. I have replied to this 4 separate times. This proves to show that im just getting tunneled for one of my first posts in this thread and if anyone thinks that a persons first few posts are enough evidence to be limming them, then they aren't trying to solve for town. They are just trying to get the day over with. All I see rn is a wagon on me that is based off of absolute garbage reasoning and evidence. If ur on my wagon and ur town, please make an effort to solve for town instead of just sheeping votes. If ur scum, I can't control what you do and you've probably already decided that I will be the sacrificial lamb for today and that's that.

[Noraa]

@Skies ur reasoning is the same as the rest of them

@Haschel I already said they had decent ones but they are the only ones with good reasons imo and they aren't on my wagon

@UT In my catch up posts, where I first had a slight sr on Reck, I stated that I thought it might be IIoa. Yes im not too sure what is considered IIoa and what isn't but I have stuck by my argument that it might be/kinda is IIoa. The reason why I dropped my SR was bc I felt it was too early in the game so it's reasonable to drop it since they haven't really done anything particularly scummy since. If anything im more experienced at being scum than I am town. My first two, and only finished games are all scum games. I still think first posts aren't a great way to judge just bc its a small portion of a players posts. If there was something that was noticeable in lots of posts, I would say that's reliable but one or two I still think isn't the right way to go. Perhaps this is biased tho since it has been noted in almost every single one of my games that my play is very inconsistent.

[Noraa]

Tell me about those reasons!

Why are they good? Why are they wrong? How do you reconcile those?

Ythan doesn't have too much content in most his posts but the ones that he has content in aren't bad ngl. His reasoning against me sounds like it comes from a town perspective. He thinks that I'm scum for being too agreeable. Being agreeable is a slight scumtell at times. The fact that he picked up on something that small makes me think he is a townie that has been paying attention. Ik its a scumtell but I do tend to be more agreeable when I can't form too many opinions on my own. It's a struggle being town after rolling two scumgames and now not knowing the alignment of everyone.

Agar had decent reasons. I didn't agree with them and replied to them in one of my posts but he at least seems like he put some thought and time in. I have a pretty null read here as well since he doesn't really talk much anyways.

[Noraa]

We should yeet from {DrPepper/Noraa/Tn}

Why noraa over someone like Ythan?

I'll always prioritize active behavior that I find scummy

bolded for emphasis. I like this point

[Noraa]

im game

VOTE: Noraa

u jump onto a rival wagon so fast with no reason either. makes me really question ur alignment uk?

[Noraa]

I think tn5421 might just be a townie in hot water that would much rather I die than them which I suppose I can understand. My vote will still be going on them unless they explain their vote on me(after I make sure this isn't the hammer and stuff)

[Noraa]

Tn also put me at E-1 without announcing I just realized

[Noraa]

VOTE: tn5421

That return was very conveniently right after the prod which gives me slight lurker vibes. First thing u do upon return is drop a vote on the biggest wagon, mine and you put me at E-1 and didn't announce it. I might've just found a scum.

[Noraa]

VOTE: tn5421

NOPE

Your return + Noraa vote just looked way too convenient pal

Gamma is town. If gamma was scum, easiest thing to do here is vote Noraa and blame it all on tn for not announcing E-1. This reason itself is enough to get gamma a TR imo.

[Noraa]

I was already voting you though...
I think your attempt to read into that was towny tho

I didn't see that. Either way, as scum, u would just push my wagon a shit ton and just like chkflips, no ones gonna have to take responsibility cuz it was a large group of people all sussing.

[Noraa]

i have absolutely no incentive to go to any sort of effort to solve the game

ill just rely on the old boys squad to do it, as expected

See, this is just a shitty excuse to go "I won't scumhunt" and you're scum for it.

(Note to self: Make an alt of the "Mad Money" guy and only talk about other scummers as stock options to be bought or sold.)

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Tn also put me at E-1 without announcing I just realized

tn put you at Y-2 but why would scum count? You can just countervote instead even though the wagon on you dissipated!

594 is scum clearing who they know to be town, yes?

Anyways, DrP comes back tomorrow but in the interest of seeing shit.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Noraa

No it was E-1 because Gamma unvoiced afterwards

[Noraa]

*unvoted

[Noraa]

I was E-3
and then skies voted me
E-2
and then tn voted me
E-1
and then gamma unvoted
E-2
and then skies unvoted
E-3
and now you voted
E-2

[Noraa]

Folks should always put their votes at a new line break.

But the little indirect cross-shit action between you and tn is cute. Y'all can both get yeeted.

I'm starting to think ur reasons for limming people suck. You said it was cuz I "lied" about E-1 which I can tell you, I went back one damn page and was able to get the correct amount of votes down. It seems to me like ur making up some nonexistent shit reason to lim me just cuz u see some LHF. Scum!Agar should be rethinking. I'm not that easy limbait anymore now that ik what to look for to find scum.

[Noraa]

Folks should always put their votes at a new line break.

But the little indirect cross-shit action between you and tn is cute. Y'all can both get yeeted.

actually curious

do you think the back and forth about putting noraa at Y-1 is scum theater?

i don't see the value in tn!scum putting noraa!scum at Y-1 like that. to me it would point to them not being scum together

I interpreted Agar's post differently but if this is what he meant, then that's even more stupid. He really thinks that scum!me, tn, and some other random ass person that would literally have a damn pt to talk things thru would be like oh yes this is an awesome idea. Tn you just go lurk for a while and come back and put me at E-1 without announcing.

If anything, I believe that lurking is antitown no matter alignment so I wouldn't encourage that or putting anyone at E-1 without announcing. If it really was scum! me, tn, and some other random person, I would likely be suggesting that Tn and I jump on the Dr. Pepper wagon and give it a nice fat push. Someone earlier suggested a speed wagon on Dr. Pepper. scum!us could just roll with that and then blame the person that suggested the speed wagon later.

Literally this theory is stupid. I dont think Agar is even trying to scumhunt at this moment in time. Instead I just think he's trying to set up the next two day's eliminations.

[Noraa]

I didn't connect the dots well first time reading that but yes ur right ur explanation definitely makes more sense than mine

[Noraa]

Half of Saturday has passed and Dr. Pepper still isn't back from his extremely long vla....

I've found tn more suspicious than Dr. Pepper so far but I'm down for either as long as town doesn't have a no lim

[Noraa]

Half of Saturday has passed and Dr. Pepper still isn't back from his extremely long vla....

I've found tn more suspicious than Dr. Pepper so far but I'm down for either as long as town doesn't have a no lim

Deadline is like a week from now, you think a no lim is a serious possibility?

Who do you prefer and why: tn or drP?

Definitely Tn in this point in time.
Getting prodded then returning right afterwards to put me at E-1 without announcing and then disappearing again.
that's all pretty scummy behavior

Dang we have a week?! I thought days were like ... only 7 days. ig its prolly the newbie setup is different and I didn't read stuff carefully

[Noraa]

*at this point in time

[Noraa]

Folks should always put their votes at a new line break.

But the little indirect cross-shit action between you and tn is cute. Y'all can both get yeeted.

actually curious

do you think the back and forth about putting noraa at Y-1 is scum theater?

i don't see the value in tn!scum putting noraa!scum at Y-1 like that. to me it would point to them not being scum together

Felt contrived on both sides. Wouldn't shock me. I've got scumreads on both of them, and I'm not at the point of eliminating one or both because of low value plays - players do bad things as scum all the time. But I've also made a very similar play in a game with a scumbuddy before, so I'm not even convinced it's a low value play - how you follow up determines so much of that.

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621 is just another post in the long list of "Posts Noraa has made that are practically claiming scum, please yeet this slot." 638 too.

Where the fuck is DrPepper.

Honestly I'm fine with you having a SR on me but at least explain why. You just say oh these two posts are scummy. How tf is that helpful in any way? If ur gonna SR me, put some effort in and case me otherwise ur not helping anyone here.

[Noraa]

VOTE: DoctorPepper

screw it we turbo

I dont think tn is even attempting to look town at this point which is a little scary bc normally we can count on scums to not randomly hammer and do other shit out of fear that town will just lim them the next day. But dude looks like he's given up and doesn't give two shits about whether or not he dies. I'm feeling like a tn lim is more appropriate than a dr. pepper lim aorn especially since Dr Pepper literally has posted like 5 things.

[Noraa]

I dont think tn is even attempting to look town at this point which is a little scary bc normally we can count on scums to not randomly hammer and do other shit out of fear that town will just lim them the next day. But dude looks like he's given up and doesn't give two shits about whether or not he dies. I'm feeling like a tn lim is more appropriate than a dr. pepper lim aorn especially since Dr Pepper literally has posted like 5 things.

So:

someone acting scummy < just not posting

The opposite actually. My votes on tn not dr. pepper

[Noraa]

I think we should be limming not based on things like how lurky they are. Cuz its always better to have an antitown townie than a protown scum. And generally lurkers lurk no matter alignment so that's not a really useful piece of info imo.

[Noraa]

I'm officially opening applications for the VP town block. Anyone admitted will survive until the end as CONFIRMED TOWN.

TO APPLY:

1) Do stuff VP finds obvtown.
2) Laugh as scum flail from being PoE'd into oblivion.

Who is submitting applications?

This is actually pretty terrifyingly not-town and I'm not sure how I brushed it off the first time through. I'm sure I don't need to explain how a forced town bloc can ruin games. Props to UT for not accepting these shenanigans.

*snip*

You still have zero reasons for why I'm scum as far as I'm concerned. All I saw in that big wall was you accusing me of OMGUSing when you fucking put me at E-1 without announcing. That's literally such scummy behavior that me voting u afterwards is def not considered OMGUSing. Then you just stand up for me in the whole Reck thing. If you think everything I've done is "understandable" why am I probscum and why am I not ur vote here? Also that whole wall was just a space filler imo. There was zero actual useful content...

[Noraa]

You went from "tn is a townie in hot water" to "lol he's scum" real quick there noraaa. Over me voting you and putting you at yeet-1 in a town that should know better and have already experienced the negative consequences of speed-yeeting.

The wagon on u isn't a speedwagon in the first place anyways so ur argument there doesnt apply.

No I said you could be a townie in hot water or a scum. Dont twist my words. Thanks

[Noraa]

I am currently voting noraaa.

You're voting Dr. Pepper. There just hasn't been a votecount since then.

Unless I'm missing something, how am I supposed to take you seriously?

I didn't catch this. He's seriously gonna pretend he didn't know he switched it to a null town lean?

[Noraa]

I feel like tn flipping red doesnt say anything tho...
cuz like dude was so sus that I'm fairly certain even his partners would bus him at this point

[Noraa]

I thought about this game while the thread was locked and this is my analysis on the end of day 2:

On wagon we have Ythan who was the most eager for a tn lim. I think this is kinda questionable on Ythan's part since tn flipped green. But, in the end I feel like Ythan was pretty convinced tn was scum. Like genuinely convinced which would be a town tell since scums would know exactly who the scums are and wouldn't ever be truly convinced a townie was scum.

Next three people that voted tn were me, gamma, and skies. We were all on the same boat thinking that tn was being scummy as hell putting me at E-1 without announcing and prodging. Ngl I'm a little surprised tn wasn't a scum still bc his actions were very much scummy. Doing an ISO on him just reconfirmed that for me and idk what to get out of that.

Something fishy I found here was that gamma unvoted and went to the dr. pepper wagon. I originally kinda thought this was bc gamma didnt want to bus scum partner Tn but then tn flipped green which makes me think that Gamma knew this was gonna happen and wanted to be off wagon. I may be overthinking here but idk.

The next two were vpb and reck who put him at E-2 and E-1, respectively without announcing. I kinda hate that bc it makes me feel like neither cared enough to make sure another speedwagon would go thru without good discussion beforehand. It's not too AI tho.

Then was UT dropping the hammer without declaring intent first. Except he "counted wrong" and thought Reck's was the hammer. no idea if he actually did. still pretty null on this slot tho.

[Noraa]

Off wagon Agar was voting me for ???? reasons.

I find it interesting that the only person that was on my wagon is dead. It honestly kinda makes me think scum tried really hard to see me up but I don't particularly understand why that would be prioritized over pr hunting unless they though they did a big brain move with getting a pr and setting me up. idk

Gamma and tn are voting Dr Pepper which is kinda meh. I agree with Agar here that limming an active scummy slot is better than limming a lurker.

On Ythan's wagon we have Haschel. I never really understood this too much since Ythan is pretty universally TRed and pretty towny in general.

And then ofc our lurker wasn't voting. I'm not sure how to read into that so I'm leaving that alone for now.

[Noraa]

cool so can we do this now

VOTE: noraa

I think reck isn't trying to solve much at this point. We just got a mislim and u come back and vote someone with zero hesitation or thought put in. If ur town, untunnel and try to solve everyone not just me.

[Noraa]

cool so can we do this now

VOTE: noraa

can we first have a very brief talk about why you visited AGar last night?

me or reck? If me, ur scum, ur lying, and I'm fine with dying to get u killed tmrw. If reck, then this would mean you've caught scum or u just outed two prs and town is now fucked.

[Noraa]

Isn't agar dead tho?

[Noraa]

i'd really prefer not to full claim

p.edit: i 100% absolutely did not visit ythan last night so that's wild

yes i blocked n1. VPB.

well, this isn't a bastard game to my knowledge so you *did* visit Ythan last night. whether that is because of wacky hijinks or because you're a mafia roleblocker is what is up for discussion here.

also: I also tracked you N1 and my role was blocked. you can obviously see why your claim of roleblocker here is... concerning.... to me.

PEdit: you not fullclaiming is obviously fine with me because I explicitly asked you not to do it unless it explains why I tracked you to two different players last night. you claim that it doesn't so.... no worries.

Is it possible to have two role blockers in a mini theme game? Also are there any roles that can target more than one person besides mafia ofc cuz those can always multitask?

[Noraa]

I see what UT is saying here but I'm not too sure about the setup and how roles work around here so I'm not sure if UT is right or not

[Noraa]

Hm this is my first game outside of the newbie queue(besides my two marathon). I kinda replaced in on accident lmao when I stumbled on the replacement thread thingie for mods. I'll have to go look at the wiki again.

Anyways if there are that many possibilities .... why would u out urself? I mean I don't see u as scum since u have no reason to just out like since there is zero pressure on u rn. But as town, nothing is really certain and in case you just outed two prs, isn't town kinda doomed now?

[Noraa]

in case you just outed two prs, isn't town kinda doomed now?

your impulse to have caution with revealing information is a good one, but no. this is a situation that calls for outing.

the gamestate right now:
very likely 6:3
Possibly 5:3:1
Very unlikely but still possible 6:2:1
Very very very very very unlikely 7:2.

misyeeting again will leave us at 5:3 going into the night and then 4:3 YOLO tomorrow.

I have mod-confirmed information that someone visited the player who died last night. This is the time when you out info. Leaving it secret puts town at a disadvantage. If there's a mechanical puzzle to solve that is caused by non-obvious roles, this is how you solve it.

I don't understand the whole number thingie. Is it like pr:vt:scum or something? Idk they aren't making sense to me tho.
I've always been paranoid about landing town power roles. I saw some really bad outs and kinda just think that prs should never out until like day 4 or something.
ignore that and its too late anyways since u already outed.

[Noraa]

We just outed like anywhere from 1-3 prs here. All the other prs shouldn't out unless they can guarantee a scum kill with their out.

[Noraa]

Reck tell me my role or you're scum.

I don't understand the logic here but u prolly have some strange role so I'll just wait patiently for reck's reply

[Noraa]

alright hello everyone, i kind of read up on this game initially when the first replacement request went up but i need to catch up fully so i need like 30 minutes or so.
however id really appreciate if people would ask me questions as it helps me get into the game

Hi duppin! A few questions to get u started:
What do u think of UT's hammer and now claim to be tracker?
What do you think about the tn wagon?
What do you think about the chkflip wagon?
What do you think about ur predecessor?
Bonus question:
What do you think about my slot?

[Noraa]

Where did u out urself as not vanilla in day 1?

[Noraa]

Im either blind or stupid if u did cuz I could've sworn no one had outed til today

[Noraa]

Someone prevented my action from resolving on Reck n1. If it had he would know my role. I think the most likely explanation is that Reck is lying scum and blocked me n1 right after I outed myself as not vanilla.

Thoughts?

Reck said he blocked UT n1. That was a bit ~fishy~ cuz it was after UT said he got blocked n1. However I think we just gotta wait and see if a jailkeeper cc's.
But then also ... UT told me there could be two jailkeepers bc the formats fucked up or something

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

apologise for potential wall of text,
Before I start talking about votes I will say that my top towns are UT (for his claim) and VP. I thought the way VP evaluated tn near the end was extremely townie.
I also have a slight townread on Gamma Emerald actually, although it's not super strong.

Anyway, to get back to the VCA the most interesting things to me were these:

Day 1 lynch:

chkflip

[OUT] xRECKONERx,

VP Baltar

, Untrod Tripod, Ythan, Gamma Emerald,

Annie Edison

, Haschel Cedricson

Day 2 tie

Noraa [X-2]

xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod,

tn5421

,

AGar

tn5421

[X-2] Ythan, Gamma Emerald, Noraa, brighteningskies

Then a wagon formed at my slot which resulted in this:

Noraa [X-5]

tn

,

AGar

tn5421 [X-3]

Ythan, Noraa, brighteningskies

Dr. pepper [X-1]

xRECKONERx, VP, Untrod Tripod, Gamma Emerald,

tn5421

And well then it resulted in a tn lynch:

tn5421

[OUT] Ythan, Noraa, brighteningskies, VP Baltar, xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod

So I find it extremely unlikely there is no scum on chkflips wagon, sure it is possible but I sincerely doubt it.
Which means at least 1 scum between Reck, VP, UT, Ythan, Gamma and Haschel.

I also believe there is at least 1 scum on tn's wagon.
Which means at least 1 scum between Ythan, Noora, brighteningskies, VP, Reck, UT.

As I said I have strong townreads on VP and UT. I also have a slight TR on Gamma. So from my point of view there is at least one scum between Reck/Ythan/Haschel and at least one between Ythan/Noraa/brighteningskies/Reck.

I believe Reck is (unless UT is reaction testing) scum. I also find brighteningskies suspicious, play is a bit too passive and seems to have no issue jumping from wagon to wagon. I think noora could be scum based on votes but for that to be the case I believe she was bussed.

This is not very helpful no offense. Ur telling me two big pools of people probably contain scum. like ... yeah ... duh
I agree with the UT is town thing cuz he had no reason to do this as scum.
The Noraa was bussed by her scum partners theory isn't sitting well with me. Ur trying to tell me my scum partners were in {xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod, tn5421, AGar}
Two of those are town. UT is conftown. Reck idk yet. I think its possible Reck is scum but tunneling is a pretty townie thing to do since it really sticks out and scums r generally afraid of the attention and shit.

[Noraa]

Noraa [X-2]

xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod,

tn5421

,

AGar

The Noraa was bussed by her scum partners theory isn't sitting well with me. Ur trying to tell me my scum partners were in {xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod, tn5421, AGar}

Actually no that is not what I said. tn and agar are both confirmed town and I believe UT is town as well. Which means Reck could have bussed if he is scum. brighteningskies also voted on you yesterday but swapped their vote to tn shortly after.

ohh ok I misunderstood. I thought u meant just in that little pool and I was like ... uhh no. But like ... honestly tho the reasons on me were low-key garbage imo. So I wouldn't be able to see why scum!Noraa's scum partners would bus her over literally nothing.

The mask did not say who sent it.

I know I was bussed because my action, which was supposed to be performed on Reck, was performed on myself instead.

ok wait I'm confused. So "bussed" I'm assuming would be describing the Annie person that died day 1's ability. What's that ability even do and why does something that happens to someone else change people or something? UT said the bus driver could target two people or something ..... how's that work?

[Noraa]

i'm about to log out for ~date night~ with the hubs so ill be back on later to digest

Have fun! Don't let a game ruin the fun in ur life cuz ik being under pressure always feels bad regardless of alignment(at least imo it does )

[Noraa]

No one asked but all my games asked for it except this one so:

My first town game finished. Go get meta if u want it. Newbie something ANCIENT ARTHROPODS

[Noraa]

Starting to think Reck-noraa is scum on scum as well.

expand and explain you're reasoning. I'm not following

[Noraa]

Starting to think Reck-noraa is scum on scum as well.

expand and explain you're reasoning. I'm not following

What do you think of reck's story here?

I'm not particularly sure the if likelihood of what Reck's claiming being true is high or low. With closed setup and all these random roles and shit, I'm not doing too hot determining what's very possible and what's not very possible. I agree with ur thing that UT is likely telling the truth bc UT was under zero pressure prior to this outing so I don't see why he would do any of this as scum. But UT doesn't even seem that convinced Reck is scum which is kinda throwing me off that he is the one that is Fosing Reck rn.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Reck because of his slight tunneling on me. So, I agree I sounded sus as hell when I sussed Reck but I mean I felt the reason was good at the time and I still find really long posts like that to be slightly IIoa. I dropped the read later bc I felt it wasn't strong and it happened too early in the game. However, Reck clung onto this reason which I have a hard time reading. So ik that generally tunneling is considered a scumtell but at the same time I find that townies also tunnel a shit ton at times. This is why reck is still a really big question mark for me rn. I'm willing to lean either way with a little convincing bc I think he's pretty close to both sides and while I could see a scum!reck, I could definitely also see a town!reck.

Didn't we already establish Reck and Haschel were bussed n1 because I can't tell if you guys remember that or not.

I mean I personally don't remember. remind me which post?

[Noraa]

I didn't read the pedits rip

[Noraa]

theres a typo in 861 but whateves

[Noraa]

Scum can have bus drivers....?
but also I dont get why they would swap their buddy and a townie?
Annie was a hydra of notsci and someone else can't remember. I just finished a game with notsci but seeing that everyone targeted reck, it wouldn't surprise me if Annie was the one that swapped reck and haschel if I understood correctly?

[Noraa]

I feel like mass claiming isn't a terribly hot idea rn but if we decide on it, I'm fine with claiming today. Which player duppin?

[Noraa]

Have fun!

[Noraa]

yeah I'm pretty ready to yeet Reck into the sun for trying to talk us into massclaiming

Reck has absolutely no leverage here to demand something like that
________________________________


to anyone who is a bit on the fence as to whether or not you should massclaim:

Reck has been caught in two lies, consecutively, when pressed on his actions.

I cannot see any possible reason why a scum role would frame him for visiting a live player. in case this isn't clear, Reck has already claimed roleblocker, scum have the ability to multitask, and Reck was a near-total-consenus town read. sure, there could maybe be some kind of wacky hijinks that explain why he was at two players last night, but it's more likely that he just roleblocked Ythan and killed AGar.

sure, it's possible that he legitimately forgot who he targeted on N1. but it's far more likely that, when caught in the lie, just said "i made an oopsie ".

I've been searching for potential explanations why my night results didn't just straight up catch scum because I don't want to misyeet for a third day in a row. that doesn't mean that I don't understand that the far and away likelier explanation is just that I caught scum.

So I personally believe that was a big brain moment. I mean unless skies claims to have roleblocked u night 1, it kinda confirms that reck really didn't remember. The whole targeting two people thingie is confusing and no ones able to explain it and everyone's talked so far except skies. The likelihood of it being explained seem pretty slim at this point and its taken multiple turns at this point. Like first it was UT claiming. Then reck claimed something and then changed the claim. Then we discussed some night action shit. Then Ythan Fosed Reck for not knowing his role. Then the dead bus driver came into the picture by switching Reck and Haschel. Then Hashel gets all this weird stuff and now I'm just p lost.

too bad that Ythan has claimed to also have targeted AGar. that sure would make it easier.

oh well.

just on the off chance: Ythan there isn't by any miracle a chance that you'd be informed that you were blocked would you?

So here Reck says he only targeted Agar. UT says he saw Reck target Agar and Ythan but then Ythan says he targeted Agar and nothing can now be confirmed. I'm not sure who's lying here but I agree that we must lim in the pool of people who haven't claimed yet. The reason is that Reck is a pretty big question mark/SR rn but he claimed town roleblocker. If he isn't lying, I'm willing to bet a lot that he'll be the nightkill tonight so that'll be confirmed by tomorrow imo. So todays limpool is {Noraa, skies, gamma, duppin}

pedit: I didn't read the pedits U-U

[Noraa]

if it was reck/Nora, then my partner would most certainly be killed soon. I would be silent asf so that no one can sus me.

I agree with reck that town needs to try to consider a town!reck possibility bc it's precisely cuz no one considered different possibilities that we have a whole two mislims in a row. Idc if it makes me look scummy and I'm willing to flip to prove these thoughts came from a town mindset. No one can prove me to be town except myself since I'm the only one who can see my pm and I'm not a confirmable role.

[Noraa]

noora are you saying that we should not lynch reck today but instead lynch within a limpool with yourself in it?

me being town cannot be confirmed so yes the limpool would have to have me in it from everyone else's perspective

[Noraa]

I think unless Skies can prove Reck is scum, we should definitely try to lim someone that hasn't claimed a pr role

[Noraa]

If skies has some other funky role that can prove it, I'm 100% down for a reck lim.

[Noraa]

We're that close to Ylo? damn alright ok. ISO time. Im going scumhunting. Be back with results sometime this afternoon.
Ur right. I shouldn't encourage a Noraa lim just to prove I'm town. I normally am willing to but since we're close to ylo, disregard that. Im not fine with a noraa lim today

[Noraa]

I've never lived til lylo or ylo before lmao but I think I get the gist of it. It's basically high pressure and if u lim wrong, u lose.
I'm reading the thread UT. I'm just not paying that much attention but I'll start paying attention since its day 3.

[Noraa]

Can we ask the mod or are we not allowed to ask since its closed setup?

[Noraa]

Reck voted for Dr Pepper/duppin and me yesterday yet his scum team doesn't have either of us. That's a slight red flag right there

[Noraa]

Ah shit I didn't check this game. I think I missed a few pages or something. I'll catch up tmrw and I'll think about this game a bit tmrw morning and we'll see what I come up with

[Noraa]

Alright, Noraa, thoughts on Brightskies's last few posts?

Question coming for Brightskies after Noraa answers.

I never liked the SR from that slot on me. It felt pretty sheepy and like they just tried to re-word everyone else's responses to justify jumping on the biggest wagon. Then jumping onto the tn wagon which was getting attention pretty quickly was also very sheepy and not justified well or at all imo. Idk sheepy and flip floppy are generally pretty big scum tells but I understand that since bright is a newbie, a lot of stuff doesn't really apply too hot...

[Noraa]

Ok the current game state is making sense to me now. Basically we have too many pr claims rn and reck's is by far the worst one bc of all the "not remembering" and UT's tracking result, etc. Reck is our lim for today bc looking at the current game state he's most likely the scum that is hiding in the group of pr claims. Now we are looking for the other scums and towns main suspects are in the unclaimed group bc currently the most popular theory is that we have 1 scum in the claimed group(reck) and 2 scum in the not determined group of unclaimed peoples which is currently {Noraa, Skies, Dr Pepper/Duppin, Gamma}

[Noraa]

So the current plist is

Skies, Duppin, Gamma, Herschel, Noraa, UT, VP, Reck, Ythan (9 people)

Tomorrow we will have 7 people after one lim and one nk

The day after 5 after one lim and one nk

The day after 3 after one lim and one nk

And then 1 after one lim and one nk

In other words, we have 4 lims where we must hit 3 scum.

damn that's stressful. two mislims and we lose.

that was some quick Noraa math to help understand the game state more

[Noraa]

There's a mafia discord? This place is full anarchy since I left

There is?! someones got to add me T^T

[Noraa]

My name on discord isn't my name here and it says I need to be "recognizable" ;(

[Noraa]

In all of my finished games that I was scum, we were allowed to have one person submit all night actions even the other persons. Ig its in case one of the scums is vla or something and they r the rolecop, the scum team doesn't just not get a rolecop bc their partners out.

[Noraa]

Dont assume things Haschel. I didn't read closely but my thoughts were that its quite a coincidence if they were seriously inactive when shit like this went down. The first sentence of the first catch up post reads a bit scummy and fake. The rest is meh. The whole situation was confusing so Skies explaining it strangely isn't crazy considering they are a newbie. I personally didn't really think they were rolefishing but idk.

[Noraa]

Alright then I'll solidify it into a Fos. I think Skies is scum. Two of the scums are bright and reck imo. Not sure about the third scum slot.

[Noraa]

Im down to vote reck. I want to ask real quickly tho if we should talk and use up all of the time we have or just be like fuck it, lets get this day over with.

I personally think there's not too big a difference but if anyone thinks one is noticeably better, I'm fine with going with that

[Noraa]

Consider my vote there but I'll wait since I've definitely met people that were like NONONONONONONO how DARE you suggest we end the day early

[Noraa]

Let BSkies answer VPB’s question first.

got it. I will do that

[Noraa]

Oh noraa and skiessssssss

yes?

[Noraa]

I'm not agreeing that today's limpool is skies and me.

That aside, here's my take on the game aorn:

Skies is a lil sus for reasons I stated yesterday.

Ythan seems towny but technically TECHNICALLY he's not cleared yet.... Not sure what I missed for duppin to say he's cleared bc as far as I'm concerned, no he is not. Yeah UT said Reck visited him but still no one can confirm him ... right?

Duppin why is gamma town? Wait nvm u said ur night actions. Not sure if I should ask for u to clarify so I'll just leave that there for now.

Idk Haschel. I'm having a hard time determining who the partners are rn.

Ik a lot of people claimed prs but as far as I'm concerned most of them aren't technically confirmed yet ... right? I might be missing something but rn all the "conftowns" don't seem that confirmed to me. Day 2 was a mess tho so that might be why I'm not getting it. But anyways anyone care to explain which conftowns are confirmed and why please?

[Noraa]

This is a less than satisfactory answer.

Well, I don't know know what to tell you.

Noraa, in addition to my last question I also want to know why you think a post reading "yes?" in its entirety is in any way acceptable under the circumstances.

Vp's post literally said "Oh Noraa and Skies"
what else am I supposed to reply?

[Noraa]

The implication was that Skies and I are scum but I didn't see the point in being like "no that's not true" cuz no one cares about what someone that is sus says. So, instead I waited until he asked me questions.

[Noraa]

Well if they aren't cleared, unless I misunderstood something, I would have to change my scum hunting stuff to accommodate the possibility of them being scum. I'm just trying to understand why some people are considered conftown when I personally didn't particularly think they were confirmed.

It was more like Reck just being unreasonable and tunneling probably in hopes of getting a mislim on me later which I mean, I must say he did a good job. It does look like its working if that was his plan and I mean it'd be a big brain move on his part.

I mean ig Ythan is kinda cleared then since it does seem roleblocking ur buddy is a strange move.

I'm not greatly convinced skies is scum or town atm bc they just seem busy but idk. It does seem they are the most likely candidate besides me so I will join that wagon if we need to get a lim thru otherwise I personally will actually be trying to find scum elsewhere prolly in {Ythan, Herschel, Dr. Pepper/Duppin}

[Noraa]

Duppin didn't clarify anything and I think that's pretty obviously scummy to soft claim a mysterious pr which kinda makes sure ur off the limpool for the day. I think after the scum team lost Reck, they would probably be more careful with their words and shit which leads me to believe that Duppin is in fact a pr that likely tracked or did something to gamma two nights in a row. Yesterday Duppin said he wanted to claim after gamma and I found that weird at the time but it makes much more sense now that he soft claimed pr. Duppin is either a pr or a scum being really smart. I'm not too sure which aorn but I think I'm leaning pr for now so that "clears" gamma. I can add gamma to todays limpool tho since now that I think about it, they do deserve some love and attention in my limpool which is now {Ythan, Haschel, Dr. Pepper/Duppin, Gamma}

[Noraa]

Im not sure what my scum team guess is quite yet but I'll have one by Tuesday/Wednesday. Tomorrow I'm going to be very very very busy so I'll drop by and reply to some stuff and I'm 100000% sure that's all I can do tmrw. But also I think town needs to be warned that my scum team guesses so far have all been shit. My first town game as jailkeeper, my scum team guess was two vanilla townies. The two people I jailed were vanilla townies. The only scum I "found" claimed my role hence I found them. The second I "found" thru poe which wasn't even correct bc I was roleblocked one night so that result wasn't correct.

[Noraa]

Could you say concisely who you're explicitly excluding from that list?

@Nora

Skies and VP

[Noraa]

Im not sure what my scum team guess is quite yet but I'll have one by Tuesday/Wednesday. Tomorrow I'm going to be very very very busy so I'll drop by and reply to some stuff and I'm 100000% sure that's all I can do tmrw. But also I think town needs to be warned that my scum team guesses so far have all been shit. My first town game as jailkeeper, my scum team guess was two vanilla townies. The two people I jailed were vanilla townies. The only scum I "found" claimed my role hence I found them. The second I "found" thru poe which wasn't even correct bc I was roleblocked one night so that result wasn't correct.

this was four whole different vanilla townies. we must note this was in a newbie game where there are only 9 people total and I sussed 4 vanilla before the actual two scums and even the night kills didn't help my guesses. Anyways I figured town needed that bg info. Town waited like a week for dr. peppers vla. I would hope town would be fine with waiting 1-2 days for me to explain stuff but I can't really control that ig. If I get limmed while I'm semi vla, please take a good look at whoever hammered and unless they r conftown, I would say they are likely scum.

[Noraa]

No one asked me but I mean ngl everyone besides the ones that have claimed and duppin are outed prs if their claims r true. Whoever the scums are 100% already know who the prs are at this point cuz I'm sure they can piece things together more easily given they get the advantage of having extra setup info from the beginning. At this point in time, Duppin should out if they think them outing can confirm gamma's alignment 100% but otherwise, I think duppin is the last pr that scums don't know the role of so he should leave them hanging.

@Ythan to answer why am I excluding skies, I think skies is just busy and that's why they are not present in this thread much. Besides not being present in the thread much, skies hasn't done anything else that really screams scum to me cuz the timing of their inactiveness was what really threw me off. I still think they r a lil sus ngl but I don't think putting pressure there is gonna get us anywhere especially considering they aren't *here* most of the time.

Ythan you held off on trying to solve me a while back saying that I was scummy but u didn't know if I was just being a noob. You were, if I remember correctly, never on my wagon but on both the other wagons that went thru. Even when my wagon was the biggest wagon, you never hopped on. Now that I think about that, scum!ythan could've made his life so much easier by just elimming me day 2. I think I might take you out of my limpool because a scum roleblocking their partner is a very strange thing to do ... like VERY strange and you had multiple chances to use ur jestery play style(no offense) to get easy mislims but you never did. You're not confirmed ... technically but I think now that I think about it, ur probably the strongest town lean that I have rn. The possibility of u being scum seem really damn slim now that I think of it.

This is gonna sound pockety I realize and maybe backtracky as well but I think I do need to adjust some of my reads bc my reads from day 1/2 aren't that greatly valid now that it's day 4.

Ok I need to reevaluate stuff. Can we just disregard my reads from earlier today? I dont like them anymore and want to reread the thread and change some things up bc I'm not liking my read rn.

[Noraa]

I think I'll try to get it done by tmrw cuz the faster I get it done, the easier it is for town to evaluate me and I am also not fond of the idea of getting limmed before I drop some reads that I *still* currently believe in.

[Noraa]

Nora three

what?

[Noraa]

Oh rip

[Noraa]

Ok I really hate how Skies just jumps on me like that and puts me at E-1 without announcing. They sheeped all the arguments on me day 2 and 3 and now want to say they were sus of me all along so its fine to just vote me now. they dont seem to put any consideration in.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa


Good call on Reck y'all, I had my doubts because of how he sounded kinda genuine about things being a mistake but it was probably genuine regret about a mistake for the maf team not town lol

Sorry I didn't vote last phase irl is a bitch.


Scum is running out of places to hide and it seems like most people are roughly confirmed other than myself and Noraa and well I know it's not me so

I'm sorry but this "catch up" post here is a very bleh post. All I'm seeing from this slot rn is a quick 2 minute maybe 3 catch up and a vote on the largest wagon putting me at E-1 without announcing and with basically zero reason. I can't see scum being this sloppy at this point in time but these posts are very low quality and almost feel like ~TSTBS~

[Noraa]

Also, wouldn't it have made sense to not claim now and get a guaranteed result on Gamma after we yeet noraa into the sun?

I dont understand why you are so convinced I'm scum. I can tell you believe it and thats pretty obvious but I am not and I think even if u believe it, you need to consider what will happen tomorrow when(this would be "if" for u since you can't see my role pm) you only have two lims left and two scums to kill. Also putting me at E-1 gives scum opportunity to quickhammer and waste today for town and then self hammer to waste tomorrow for town as well. Then a confused town will be left in the end phase and what will everyone do?

[Noraa]

I think 1)we need to not only be considering limming inside of {Noraa, skies}
and 2)we need to use up all(or almost all) of our time today

[Noraa]

and then self hammer to waste tomorrow for town as well.

???

If scum hammers me today without any explanation, town will most likely be limming them tomorrow and once they get to E-1 which will be quick since there won't be many people left, they will self hammer to waste the day I bet.

[Noraa]

Thats how I predict the day will go

[Noraa]

Also putting me at E-1 gives scum opportunity to quickhammer

And yet...

I don't think scum'll quickhammer anymore cuz that just sounds like suicide but at the same time after this whole convo, I doubt scum would be scared of quick hammering anymore since I just said scum wouldn't. Idk I'm overthinking but I feel like if scum quickhammers, my death will be a huge waste but anyways, I dont think I have enough time to read 40+ pages today. Tomorrow is what I'll try for.

[Noraa]

I am Panicking Sunny, VT

[Noraa]

alright so VP and ythan are confirmed town, i am pretty confident that Gamma is town.
For some reason I thought haschel would be mechanically cleared if reck flipped red but i realised that wasnt.

pretty sure its just noora and skies at this point though

Pretty sure it’s just between Noraa skies and Haschel anyway
Reck was seriously angling for a speedy end to the day

I'm confused why you said it was between noraa and haschel and then voted skies 3 mins later

read it again. slowly this time

[Noraa]

skies was being directly questioned when Reck started going for a fast end. I think noraa's Reck push D2 was still bad but I also think the MO there is a bit questionable if they're both scum. What do they hope to gain with that?

Eh I mean that's valid reasoning I get u.

I do think it would have been too obvious for reck to have been pushing for day end during my questioning if I were actually scum though and he was clearly going with the confused and "oh no I would vote for myself too" townie approach.

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Also Noraa I've told you why I think you're sus and it may be bleh to you but I've stood by the fact that I don't trust you and low quality does not equal scum

It is interesting you haven't been hammered yet..

Also you claimed a sunny role which doesn't give much actual info arguably it's just a flavour title if you want to claim you should consider including what the role actually does.

"It is interesting you haven't been hammered yet"
??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Why is it weird a vanilla hasn't been hammered? I seriously read that sentence like ten times and was like hold tf up. Wtf did they just say. Idk but that could've been a scum slip. And also .... what? vt's cant do anything so I'm not sure what the "including what ur role does" part is about.

Also you claimed a sunny role which doesn't give much actual info arguably it's just a flavour title if you want to claim you should consider including what the role actually does.

I mean, I did this too

Ok I didnt catch this earlier but like 1)the logic is flawed on skies' end bc vt dont have abilities and 2)even if the logic wasn't flawed, why did skies only point out that I "didnt claim" when gamma, under their logic also "didnt claim"

Wait so two suspected scum players just claimed vanilla townie..
Idk about y'all but that seems kinda sus.

I'm inclined to damn well claim although I've been really reluctant to I'm not sure if I can be of much use at this point in the game.
I'm Injury Sunny, town doctor.

N1: tn (the player I've spoken to the most out of game lol without much info starting the game I just protected him)
N2: Ythan (seemed pretty town at this point)
N3: VPB (I thought he would be the obvious kill attempt for scum but apparently not)

Oh I guess they aren't all in there. Town points if you can point your Sunny out though.

wtf why would anyone kill a fn over a tracker? this is just really weirding me out and if ur scum, u best go scream for help in ur pt right about now.

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:

Skies...why the hell would you not protect UT last night? He was clearly the most likely to die, not my useless ass.

rip I didnt see this first time round but anyways I agree the choice to protect u instead of ut is really weird if the claim is real.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

skies was being directly questioned when Reck started going for a fast end. I think noraa's Reck push D2 was still bad but I also think the MO there is a bit questionable if they're both scum. What do they hope to gain with that?

Eh I mean that's valid reasoning I get u.

I do think it would have been too obvious for reck to have been pushing for day end during my questioning if I were actually scum though and he was clearly going with the confused and "oh no I would vote for myself too" townie approach.

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Also Noraa I've told you why I think you're sus and it may be bleh to you but I've stood by the fact that I don't trust you and low quality does not equal scum

It is interesting you haven't been hammered yet..

Also you claimed a sunny role which doesn't give much actual info arguably it's just a flavour title if you want to claim you should consider including what the role actually does.

"It is interesting you haven't been hammered yet"
??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Why is it weird a vanilla hasn't been hammered? I seriously read that sentence like ten times and was like hold tf up. Wtf did they just say. Idk but that could've been a scum slip. And also .... what? vt's cant do anything so I'm not sure what the "including what ur role does" part is about.

Also you claimed a sunny role which doesn't give much actual info arguably it's just a flavour title if you want to claim you should consider including what the role actually does.

I mean, I did this too

Ok I didnt catch this earlier but like 1)the logic is flawed on skies' end bc vt dont have abilities and 2)even if the logic wasn't flawed, why did skies only point out that I "didnt claim" when gamma, under their logic also "didnt claim"

Wait so two suspected scum players just claimed vanilla townie..
Idk about y'all but that seems kinda sus.

I'm inclined to damn well claim although I've been really reluctant to I'm not sure if I can be of much use at this point in the game.
I'm Injury Sunny, town doctor.

N1: tn (the player I've spoken to the most out of game lol without much info starting the game I just protected him)
N2: Ythan (seemed pretty town at this point)
N3: VPB (I thought he would be the obvious kill attempt for scum but apparently not)

Oh I guess they aren't all in there. Town points if you can point your Sunny out though.

wtf why would anyone kill a fn over a tracker? this is just really weirding me out and if ur scum, u best go scream for help in ur pt right about now.

I forgot I had quoted Ythan's thing. I was gonna go find my sunny in the vid but then forgot. I'll do that on a break in a bit

[Noraa]

Why are you quoting your post that is just above, noraa?

In the post above I forgot to reply to one of the posts that I quoted in my chain and just remembered so I quoted it with that thing

[Noraa]

0:07

[Noraa]

When the mouth is completely open

hence we have Panicking sunny, Noraa

[Noraa]

This game I've kinda put on the back burner for a bit cuz its .... a lil dead ngl but if anyone has questions for me, I have a bit of time rn to answer

[Noraa]

This game I've kinda put on the back burner for a bit cuz its .... a lil dead ngl but if anyone has questions for me, I have a bit of time rn to answer

What do you think of all the claimed power in this game?

Should we yeet skies today?

I'm not too knowledgeable on what roles are allowed and stuff since I deal mainly in the newbie queue. I'm not sure which roles are likely to coexist and shit so I'm not particularly understanding why a doctor claim is unlikely to be true here. However the number of power roles .... I must say is a bit big. I understand that the people that have died so far have all been vanilla townies besides UT and Reck but still the # of prs is still a bit overwhelmingly large. Either the mod is obsessed with power roles for some weird ass reason or we have some scums fake claiming or even honestly ig they could just claim their own role since lots of roles can exist in either alignment.

[Noraa]

As for should we yeet skies, I'm not sure.
Again I just feel like they haven't been paying attention to the thread because they are busy.
The saving vp thing is weird bc I feel like even my stupid ass would save UT if I was doctor. Like fuck scums if they have a role blocker or shit but I'm saving UT no matter what cuz he's very clearly the nk.

[Noraa]

but since I'm not doctor, I suppose I haven't really been thinking about any of the game from doctor perspective so maybe if I was doctor, I would say vp. idk and since skies is playing the newb card, I'm just taking it even if its hard to believe since noobs can be very stupid at times

[Noraa]

*save

[Noraa]

As for should we yeet skies, I'm not sure.
Again I just feel like they haven't been paying attention to the thread because they are busy.
The saving vp thing is weird bc I feel like even my stupid ass would save UT if I was doctor. Like fuck scums if they have a role blocker or shit but I'm saving UT no matter what cuz he's very clearly the nk.

Let's say you have to make a choice. Yeet skies or no?

I would want to hear more from the slot cuz I'm not comfortable yeeting skies aorn. This may just be me being biased tho since I tend to be biased towards noobs. Until I hear more, the answer is definitely no.

[Noraa]

I just need more interaction with the slot. I feel like the slot's very inactive and bored of the game and that's giving me scummy vibes but I still feel like they might just be noobtown here. idk vp what do you think about this slot?

[Noraa]

btw im floating between like 7 different games rn so dont expect really fast replies

[Noraa]

Cant scums have more than one of one role? I heard town could have two of one role so I assumed that scums could also have two of one role?

[Noraa]

Sorry this is offtopic but DAMN and whole team of strongmen?
that's like undefeatable O_o

[Noraa]

*a
I can't fucking spell today

[Noraa]

Sorry this is offtopic but DAMN and whole team of strongmen?
that's like undefeatable O_o

There were no town protection roles, so we were essentially goons. We lost terribly.

oh rip sorry.

If we don't yeet skies, who should we eliminate today noraa?

well ik the limpool that everyone prefers today happens to be {skies, noraa} so if not skies, I will likely die. I dont want town to mislim again but I frankly dont know if I want to lim skies bc I just feel like there's lots wrong there but like ... the noob card is throwing me off. This is fence sitty, yes. But like I really just am not confident in a scum!skies. I think I need to interact more with that slot.

I have a hard time reading and judging noobs bc I mean ... when I was like two weeks into the site, in my first marathon or something I literally claimed 3p scum when I was a town RGB cop or something. like .... god knows wtf I was thinking but that's legit what I did. And after that, I was kinda just like yeah noob = does dumb things.

[Noraa]

Let's assume it's not you or skies, who then?

Currently my only locktowns are Ythan and you. Everyone else is possible imo. Duppin has gotten real inactive lately which is making me sus there. Gamma is just being gamma and while I'm not convinced gamma is town, I'm not convinced they're scum either. Besides these two, I dont really think there's any other people that we could or more importantly, should put into the limpool.

[Noraa]

Vp I dont think you will die tonight bc although ur the only confirmed, in the end there are a handful of claimed roles that I think scums would definitely find a bigger threat than fn.

[Noraa]

Hey, sorry; it's been a

time

lately.

Skies/Noraa scumteam? The doc claim doesn't fit with the game and their interactions with each other feel off.

dude if the scum team was skies, noraa, and reck, do u really think reck would do the kill? Skies has been literally one of the most low-key players so far. I feel like Skies or me would have done the kill not Reck. Reck doing the kill kind of tells me either the buddies were really inactive or the buddies were in a pretty hot spot at the end of the day. This is partly why Im a bit sus of duppin since dr. pepper had a lot of pressure on him and in that case I could see why Reck would do the kill. But if its duppin and reck, I have no actual idea who the third scum is. Gamma has been on my SR list before but I feel like Gamma would've done the kill over Reck as well. Idk if this is good logic to go by but like Reck doing the kill is just strange bc he got a shit ton of attention early on and I'm not sure what to think about it except that the scum team definitely didn't communicate well. This leads me to slightly sus duppin and ig by that logic, skies happens to be one of the most inactive as well but like T^T idk what's up with me and noobs. I just feel bad limming them :/

[Noraa]

I just feel bad limming them :/

Eh. Anyone can be scum. Look at how much UT fretted over Reck because of personal friendship.

You just have to look at facts. Skies suddenly becoming very inactive after Reck got under serious pressure is highly suspect. I believe them when they say RL is busy, but scum definitely can become withdrawn from a game when they start to lose.

As far as why Reck would do the kill...that feels like pointless speculating. There aren't many people in this game with as much experience as Reck, so your logic would pretty much apply to any scum team make up.

I feel like I stubbornly still want to hear more from that slot. See, I agree Skies is sus but I just feel like if we hammer before they get to defend themselves, I'll end up feeling a bit bad for them even if they flip scum honestly. I just think we need to give them time to stand up for themselves.

I suppose that's true. Reck is a good player and I frankly never really had a solid solid SR on him even tho he was in fact a mafia role blocker :/

[Noraa]

I dont feel like Skies has defended their slot. Yes they had a chance but I feel like they just aren't realizing that they need to defend themselves and that's slightly making me think its coming from a town pov.

[Noraa]

Well but from my experience, I never give up as scum because I always feel terrible leaving my scum buddies alone cuz I personally hate the feeling of being alone in a boring ass private thread with no one to discuss anything with. But idk. Not everyone's like me so I can't say much about what Skies is like since I dont have meta on them

[Noraa]

I feel like shit if I'm the last scum lmao.
my first two games on site I was the last scum and I hated it so much.
I lost them both and felt bad for my partners ;(

pedit: vp yeah I could see that

[Noraa]

vp's been a patient boi

yeah I'm sorry this game is so dead that I'm just not ~vibing~ here. Normally I'm the spammiest player ever and I generally have the highest post counts(like 400+ per game) but like this game is just like nopeeeeee. u might think spammy doesn't equal good. And I agree that's true but also I generally have a lot more content in games where I'm more spammy. Once things start making sense, I start having a lot of content.

I think imma just chill until skies talks. Im down with waiting for a reply tho I do realize waiting could be harmful. Anyways my plan is to wait and engage skies as much as I can when they're online.

[Noraa]

if it gets too extreme like a 3 day wait, I might get impatient and just vote skies

[Noraa]

We have time. No rush. Let's hear skies' reply to intent and gamma's reply to the whole mass claiming thing. Then it'll be a good somewhat productive day for town and hopefully skies is scum otherwise we'll have one hell of a time tmrw.

I'd also like to hear something - anything from duppin to show that he is in fact alive...

[Noraa]

if skies was not scum, someone would have hammered already.

I ... dont get how this logic works? Them not getting hammered = they are scum?

[Noraa]

Ohhhhhhhhh yeah that makes sense. I agree with that but still think we should wait for skies to say something, anything before we hammer.

[Noraa]

Ohhhhhhhhh yeah that makes sense. I agree with that but still think we should wait for skies to say something, anything before we hammer.

I'm guessing this will only happen after a prod and it won't be a fruitful comment. Let's just end this so we can move forward with the game. I feel pretty confident in this flip at this point.

are you certain? bc I'm having a hard time getting rid of the possibility that skies is just newbtown.

T^T why I gotta be so indecisive? literally my pms with mods when I'm a pr r like:

Noraa tracks blah

wait no

Noraa tracks other blah

waiiiiiit no

Noraa tracks other other blah

mod T^T final decision

Noraa tracks other blah

wait wait wait fr final decision

Noraa tracks blah

[Noraa]

Why is Haschel always the one hammering?

[Noraa]

Ok so I thought about the game Friday after thread closed and knowing that Skies was the town doctor basically confirms that one of Haschel and duppin must be scum. Too many prs. Ythan and Vp are confirmed at this point so that's good for town to narrow down setup using Poe.

Also I must say I'm surprised skies didn't flip scum. I was really hesitant bc of the newbie vibes from that slot but I was pretty convinced that they would flip scum by the end of the day and probably would've hammered if Haschel didn't. Though if the day had played out longer and skies had come on and said some stuff, I prolly would've backed off real quick cuz that's just how indecisive I can be. I don't think the mislim was anyones fault(for the most part) cuz people were sus for lots of valid reasons and I feel like that was really the only way that day could've ended bc of the doc claim even tho it was true :/

Anyways, I've broken the game down into two cases:

Case 1: one of duppin or haschel gets nightkilled. Im almost 100% convinced the other is scum and we should def lim there today(it'll be "today" once the day starts). I've thought about this multiple times and tho I'm not a god at setups, motion detector and voyeur existing together doesn't sound right even to me. And skies being doc just means there's way too much town power if both are town and both have true claims. If one of them dies, we lim the other cuz that one is very very likely to be scum. I think the probability of both power roles being town is just like somewhere terribly close to zero and I'm not willing to assume that so I say lim the other if one dies.

Case 2: someone besides duppin or haschel gets nightkilled. this means that the scum team kept the other(whichever of haschel/duppin is town) alive to confuse town. Then that means there is one scum in {duppin, Haschel} and the other has to be in {Noraa, Gamma} since vp and ythan r confirmed. I, knowing my role am convinced gamma is scum for this and I feel more comfortable voting gamma than haschel or duppin bc I cannot tell which of haschel and duppin is scum but logically, unless duppin/Haschel is the solve, gamma has to be scum. Realizing that gamma started the skies wagon and pushed so hard on it also makes me feel a bit ~unsettled~ I understand that skies seemed like confscum but I felt like no one was more confident than gamma and that level of confidence doesn't strike me as towny :/

Also I don't believe duppin/Haschel is the solve cuz there's so much wrong with that. Like why would they claim such similar roles? And like just ... no. It doesn't feel right and I just can't see a world where that is the solve. I agree its possible but I'm not really having a hot time buying it. Also like the scum team having a role blocker, voyeur, AND motion detector is kinda just like UH wtf no.

I currently am more comfortable voting gamma as I'm pretty sure the solve isnt duppin/haschel. But my guess for gammas partner is probably duppin bc I remember duppin claimed he targeted gamma two days in a row. And I'm sorry but like ... why tf? Like I could understand targeting Ythan(for his small amounts of sheeping early in the game) or targeting me(for my at the time, classified as "bad accusations" against Reck) or targeting Reck as he was quote, "a lightning rod" and attracted all the prs early on for his play or just about everyone else. But like ... Gamma. Why gamma? I just don't understand why you would target gamma and two nights in a row at that. It just doesn't make sense to me. I could see Haschel/Gamma but that would mean the scum team distanced really damn well this entire game and I mean kudos to them if that's the solve cuz I'm not seeing it.

My guess for the solve is {duppin, gamma}
My reasoning to back it up I thought about for a long time on Friday and reread parts of the thread. Im somewhat convinced in my solve but I'd definitely need confirmation that I'm not missing something crucial or just full on being stupid before I'll willingly start pushing this idea cuz I tend to overlook stuff at times. Hopefully I was not the nk bc I spent a pretty big chunk of time thinking bout the game and it'd be very saddening if I wrote all this for nothing. Dead thread will get this wall if I get nk'ed but I doubt I will since I'm still good limbait and the scum team knows it.

[Noraa]

And now I just realized there was no kill so I'll have to put another wall together.