Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[Starbuck]

Sup y'all.

VOTE: Papa Zito

[Starbuck]

Also, since this is music themed, REST IN POWER.

Anyone disagrees, that's a straight policylynch.

/tips hat

VOTE: I Keep Siteflaking

I appreciate your commitment to Sparkle Motion.


I'm all "huh?" at Leia's 76.

And Leia, i don't think you are bussing. I am just super confused by why your proof point for scum, is a post that also indicts yourself?

It's a weird distraction for sure.

[Starbuck]

Explain the 4 second time difference to me?

If you're going to ride the time stamp train, then I'm not going to be able to take you seriously.

[Starbuck]

I thought we would get a game start pm.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

[Starbuck]

That's um, that's actually a really good point right there starbuck.

I appreciate your support there. I was sitting here like "ummmmmmmm.........slip? lack of attention to detail? just looked up from the Scum PT?"

UNVOTE:

[Starbuck]

Btw I’m pretty sure if Pooky starts to make a lot of sense that means he is scum

is there a historical basis for this?

Given my last game with him, I think there's truth in that statement. I'm not sure to which other game folks are referring, but I have a recent one.


So the wagon that popped on NPOM after I unvoted him, do y'all care to share reasons or was it all a sheep of Iec in 148?


I don't like rudeboy's blatant rolefish in 169 and appreciate Gamma and Tiphaine calling it right out.


Holy hell, why do people post like 5-8+ times in a row nowadays? Consolidation, people!

[Starbuck]

Princess Leia is trying to forcefully take over leadership with brazenly fake scumhunting.

DGB- what do you think of almost?

He's your buddy.

I am here for these spicy reads!

trying to "take over leadership" isn't necessarily scummy.

Any decent player should be able to do their own scumhunting regardless of what Leia does.

Is this really the hill you want to die on? Feeling kinda white-knighty here.

I don't think anything they have done is alignment indicative.

This is where I'm at on her, too, but I can see DGB's points at the same time.

Because it’s actually a warning that him playing protown probably means he is scum

I am actually much better at catching scum when I am scum.

It's true! At least in the one prior game that I had with you.

[Starbuck]

What's your role, Starbuck?

The Harbinger of Death

[Starbuck]

You have obviously never watched Battlestar Galactica.

[Starbuck]

I see what you mean but there's several possibilites besides scum. Moderator communications should not be used like this IMO.

Just adding in my 2 cents here.... While I agree about Mod communications, there has been no quoting of private communication. Just the verification that Game Start PMs exist. People mention that they PM mods about stuff all the time. We never know if they are telling the truth or not, so I liken this situation to that.

I'm not sure why NPOM opened with saying that he didn't get one. I voted because I knew I got a Game Start PM. Others voted because they also got it. If you say you didn't get one, and you let that slip in the Game Thread, I'm not going to ignore that because I know it to be a lie. So it means one of two things, (1) his attention to detail in his PM box is shit or (2) he never got a Game Start PM because he was already in a PT (scum or otherwise).

Regardless, NPOM pulled the spotlight onto himself and should answer to it, rather than continue to be scummy, avoid questions, etc. It could be very well town indicative to make this mistake, but his reaction overall leaves a lot to be desired. Your defense of here is kinda tying you and him together for me, so I'm interested to see what unfolds.

I messed up once on my role pm. I don't think my play has been that bad.

Depends on your definition of "play."


I really hope Pooky's 271 is true because that would be awesome, but the skeptical side of me thinks gambit or reaction test.


@Doctor Drew - I like your thoughts in 288. I need to think on those a bit more.

[Starbuck]

Rude isn't just guessing he has an actual reason for protecting me.

Hmm....why would you out this?

Baker has been very clear this is a game about metal guitarists

He really hasn't been clear about it being "just metal" but musicians that have made an impact on his life one way or another. The description in the Sign Up Thread doesn't denote anything about just focusing on metal.

I'm down to information lynch this, or just kill it because it aggravates me.

Why?

I've been waiting all my life for someone like you

Should we name the band "The Masons"?

[Starbuck]

@Mod - Can we get a prod on Papa Zito?

[Starbuck]

I already said that I thought I didn't get a role PM but when I checked my PM's again I saw that I got it. I overlooked it I don't see how that is at all scummy.

Because

I thought we would get a game start pm.

[Starbuck]

VOTE: Starbuck

I already explained myself and she keeps on going back to irrelevant stuff.

[Starbuck]

Hm, I wouldn't mind having a magical bear on my side, especially since it feels like there's 10 or 11 scum in this game. I can be your soul mason.

Wouldn't that just be an Ewok?


I'm concerned about this push and subsequent wagon on TD, just because they're annoyed or aggravated? I mean, I asked her why at one point. Why aren't y'all trying to communicate and figure out the issue? Definitely not a town push by any means.

Why would I be doing it if it was complete shit?

To distract or spam. You have a lot of posts, but not a lot of viable content from what I can see.

I don't like seeing people pushed out of games because of toxicity.

+1

It's towns job to scumhunt he should realize that.

Why are you just continually Captain Obvious and not adding anything that we don't already know?

I don't see where Death is being anti-town here at all.

Same.

He's either scum or taking away from scumhunting.

No he's not. He's being vilified for nothing. His response is natural for that and NAI.

Fucking ditto.

[Starbuck]

Cappuccino you're not explaining yourself at all.

I don't have to because it's already out there. I also haven't been "going back to things." I returned to the thread and responded as I normally would. How you can't see that is beyond me.

Notice how everyone ignored your vote? They did so because it's dumb and OMGUS; i.e. not scumhunting. You're adding basic one-liners here and there and not adding any substance. You know the type of people who do that? Scum.

I removed my vote because you amended yourself a bit back, but I wanted to add some further thoughts, as to why I voted in the first place, when I saw Titus' response. Why are you trying to police what I can and cannot say?

On top of that, do you see an "S" at the end of username? Thought not.

[Starbuck]

Titus calling me important looks like pocketing to me. It's also weird that she votes me at the same time of saying that.

VOTE: Titus

Ridiculous or scummy? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

A bit of Column A, A bit of Column B?

[Starbuck]

And it is connected to why I'm saying don't vote NPOM, and why I asked looker the same question.

I think you and Titus need to come up with some reasons quick as to why NPOM shouldn't be voted because he's scumtastic AF.

Who do you think on your wagon is scum?

Also @Bear, I'm not talking to you.

TD, I really wish you would answer this question because I had the same one.

I understand you're frustrated. I've dealt with similar situations and I know how you feel. I've stopped talking to folks and have walked away from game threads for a day or so at times. However, it isn't helpful to the rest of us when you're asked a question (without any sass or BS behind it, that I can tell) and you refuse to answer it because you're "not talking" to Pooky.

So I'll ask you: Who do you think is the scum on your wagon?

[Starbuck]

I think NPOM (and to an extent TPhaine) are both playing emotionally reactive games after being prodded by Leia/Pooky.

My own suspicions for not thinking NPOM is scum, relate to the flavour of my role, and his desire to pretty much be killed regardless. Also, look at #292.
I have a hunch about the game mechanics, based on my role and flavor. The question I have asked of NPOM, T, and Looker are directly related to trying to figure if my assumption is correct or not.

I think I have been following your train of thought and am interested in the answers to your questions. Hence, why I haven't moved my vote back to him.

[Starbuck]

I really could use some Iecerint insight.

[Starbuck]

Busy last day or so. Catching up in a bit.

[Starbuck]

So I'm all the way back on Page 21, forgive me if this gets long.

I'm glad to see that TD responded to Pooky's/my question in 522. I need to go back and read through that push again to refresh my memory (this is my reminder to myself).

The going back and pulling up an old game that went badly to troll me pissed me off

I can empathize with this. I had a similar situation where someone took my words, from a private PT that no one would have thought to even look at, and twisted them to mean what he wanted (and not what I actually meant). Even worse, it was the guy who modded that completed game.

I might recall how I remember someone acting, but I don't know how anyone has the time to sit and scroll through old game threads. Just effing play.

Of the 3 top wagons; I don't see why Tiph is a thing. I am not sure about NOPM myself, but I will trust rudeboy on that one until further notice. I don't find Leia scummy per se, but the lack of anything resembling scumhunting is starting to give me pause.

Mindmeld with me more.


I like Gamma's questions towards the bottom of Page 23 and hoping there's some answers to them.

A bit of Column A, A bit of Column B?

Im more worried about Titus' attempt to look like she's doing something when she really isnt.

You ain't wrong.

[Starbuck]

I appreciate the list of IKS posts from pisskop in 605. I haven't been completely sold on him and it looks like I'm not the only one.

Who's Iecerint?

An old school MS player on our player list. He's been real quiet so far, but I'd like to know what he's thinking.

IKS' push for a modkill is weird. I mean, typically, you don't talk about ongoing games at all, but I thought I remembered the example mentioned. In any case, a push for that (and not letting it alone for the mod to deal with) is scummy.

Cause the reasoning is weak.

Just like your play. Ba dum dish.

I don't have confident SR to pursue.

Other than NPOM, I'm having the same issue.

I do not understand all the TiphaineDeath votes on page 16.

Welcome to the club.

And appreciate all of your catch up that I've read thus far. I'm just a little "huh?" about how you have a fully laid out reads list already.

[Starbuck]

How could he expect that to result in a modkill? i feel like its a NAI non-sequitur.

I mean, the mod's response was clear enough. NPOM's join date saved him.

[Starbuck]

Does a modkill end the day?
Does it reset the VC if not?
Does it benefit scum more than town? What about any 3P?

Do you feel like he played it in a way that avoids suspicion if it did go through?

I don't have answers to the first two, but I feel like it would benefit scum more than town, as well as any 3P.

I don't feel he played it in a way that avoids suspicion.

I want to be careful of discussion because the mod addressed it, but also I didn't like how IKS came off there as I read through it.

[Starbuck]

The mod made his decision. I don't even know why it's being discussed.

Because I'm catching up. I'm not talking about what you said (in all honesty, I thought you were fine), but IKS' reaction to what you said which is fair game.

[Starbuck]

@NPOM I'm not really liking how when I come back to the thread each time and respond, or add to the conversation, you automatically jump to the "I don't know why this is coming back up" stance.

[Starbuck]

Cappucinno.

And I've already asked you not to call me this.

[Starbuck]

VOTE: starbuck

Talking about mod communications, asking mod for prods, the ongoing game thing talk take up a relatively good amount of Starbuck's content.

Feels right, feels good.

(This A50's to quote this part of my message and leave a song that it reminded him of)

This is laughable. Besides NPOM getting all bent out of shape when I contribute, I can't comment on what's going on when I come back to the thread. I'm "leading people astray" apparently. Explain why does this push back exists when I contribute. Do you actually have any questions for me? Or are you just going to look like a fool and assume my motivations?

I joined this game because (1) The Baker, (2) I saw some old-school MS folks that I wanted to play with (Papa Zito, Iec, DGB), (3) some new school (to me) folks who I like (Titus, Pooky), and (4) some folks who I hadn't had the pleasure of playing with yet. I was disappointed, to say the least, when there was such a significant absence of PZ and Iec over the first few days. Hence, asking for a prod and mentioning that I'd like some Iec insight.

I mentioned one part of my post where I didn't like IKS' reaction to what could have been a mod kill. It didn't come off as a joke to me. Hence, I wanted to mention it as I was catching up.

My vote would be on NPOM but I'm holding back because I believe in rudeboy. IKS is up there for me in the scum bracket, but I believe there's already some pressure there. TD is town and are a few others. So I'm working through trying to get some better reads. Other than that, though, this is some weak AF shit and you should work on actually interacting with me rather than making assumptions.

[Starbuck]

VOTE: NPOM Yeah, sorry rudeboi, I'm no longer sufficiently impressed by your "information," to continue to allow this to live.

VOTE: TD

This vote is garbage.

To be fair, no better than the one you just dropped.

[Starbuck]

If we want to talk about someone who is trying to be here, but kinda just gliding by:

VOTE: Galron

[Starbuck]

weird hand-wavey information

[Starbuck]

I'm satisfied with you being town even though I hate the tone.
But I feel your use of "laughable" and "weak AF shit" are mean.

It was a direct response to your tone and attempt to discredit.

So we're even.

[Starbuck]

Dude, my handle is after Starbuck from Battlestar Galactica. Seriously, why do you think continuing to do that (when I asked you not to) is cool?

You can use SB, Star, Buck, whatever, but my handle isn't after the coffee company.

[Starbuck]

Since you couldn't even recognize Kara Thrace in my profile pic, the lie detector test determined that was a lie.

[Starbuck]

Misogyny, great.


Anyways, @rudeboy, I took what you said to be as though you had knowledge of NPOM being town due to information. Is that not correct?

[Starbuck]

Just vote Nono with me, Nono is insecure scum. It's a low hanging fruit but hey, it's day 1, it'll do.

I like Galronapple better.

[Starbuck]

You have less than 20 posts before that read list. There is zero possibility you sorted as many slots as did and covered them all in that limited span. YOU ARE A LIAR!
VOTE: Iecerint

I feel like you missed his posts where he explained how he did it. If he has less than 20 posts, look up his ISO and then come back.


Also, answer Pooky's questions.

[Starbuck]

I can hold my own. I just have a hard time making up content when there's not much to go on.

lol making up content

bro only mafia make shit up - townies just type what they're thinking

Can we kill that with fire yet?

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, are you scum? You feel funny. You're sheeping a patently bad argument by Pookie. You should know this.

I'm not sheeping his argument. I'm interested in the answer to his question.

[Starbuck]

Also, not scum. I had 2 back to back scum games. It's a breather to get a town role PM.

[Starbuck]

I think the question should be posed to you, though. Are you scum, Titus?

[Starbuck]

This game feels static. I might have to do something.

Your ISO leaves a lot to be desired, like you say I'm acting weird, but I don't know this side of you.

Do you have any reads? Care to share?

[Starbuck]

17. Starbuck - Lean scum

Why?

[Starbuck]

12. Almost50 - Where is he? NAI for him. Null

I accept the Null read and will be first to admit my play so far is NAI. What I don't understand is the question! I am the 4th top poster of the game so far, so I am clearly present. No?

I was confused by that assessment, too. There's plenty who that could be applied to and you weren't any of the names off the top of my head.

[Starbuck]

17. Starbuck - Lean scum

Why?

You don't remind me of the Weakest Link. That is meta which is garbage. Different style of game. Also garbage.

Your pushes feel hollow. Less garbage.

This is why you're a weak scumread. Nothing strong but your posting feels empty.

Weakest Link isn't my only town game since I've been back and frankly, I'm not sure why my first game back on site (after like 3 or 4 years) is the one you're going to anyways if you're going to meta. I was getting back used to things, so of course, now that I've been back about 4 months, it's not going to be similar. That's just how it goes.

I don't understand how my pushes are "hollow" or how my posting "feels empty." I don't know how to change that, but I'm town this game and the fact that you're so hellbent on discrediting me (on top of your clear pushes on TD and defending of the ultra scummy NPOM) makes me feel like you aren't.

[Starbuck]

12. Almost50 - Where is he? NAI for him. Null

I accept the Null read and will be first to admit my play so far is NAI. What I don't understand is the question! I am the 4th top poster of the game so far, so I am clearly present. No?

Volume =/= presence. A gibberish message can be blast on a loud speaker. It still has no presence in a debate.

Nothing you have said is memorable.

Until you provided your reads list, the same could be said about you.

I think A50 has been present (yes, with some fluff) but present and contributing nonetheless.

[Starbuck]

They've played more than once with me in the playerlist, why?

I think A50 is very different here relative to in Redneck Mafia, where he was a traitor. It's related to my townread on A50. Since Titus alluded to coming back to the site recently, I thought she might not have experience with A50. But, it sounds like she has more experience than I do.

Are you thinking about me coming back?

I've been back for about 4 months, but I don't have any experience with A50.

[Starbuck]

Weakest Link isn't my only town game since I've been back and frankly, I'm not sure why my first game back on site (after like 3 or 4 years) is the one you're going to anyways if you're going to meta. I was getting back used to things, so of course, now that I've been back about 4 months, it's not going to be similar. That's just how it goes.

Yeah, I was thinking of your post. Oop.

I know why you got confused. That someone who meta'd me was Titus.

[Starbuck]

You have less than 20 posts before that read list. There is zero possibility you sorted as many slots as did and covered them all in that limited span. YOU ARE A LIAR!
VOTE: Iecerint

I feel like you missed his posts where he explained how he did it. If he has less than 20 posts, look up his ISO and then come back.


Also, answer Pooky's questions.

As I said, the method he explained is one I’ve done to very little benefit. So even if he is Town I don’t exactly value him rn

Would you say the same thing about Titus? She did a 20 person reads list, too. I don't see you going as hard at her as you are at Iec.

Other than being cranky, what is the case on Galron?

I voted him because he's doing that "here but not really contributing" thing. The same can be said for a few others (IKS, Titus, Looker), but Galron stuck out to me. So I figured a pressure vote was worthwhile, but he hasn't really impressed me since either.

I didn't actually expect the wagon to take off as it has and gain so much traction, though.

I feel like rudeboy has some insider info that we should trust since I don't believe scum would stick their neck out for a buddy so directly.

RudeboyTown does not entail RudeboyCorrect.

+1

I don't particularly want someone with no incentive to help around.

The same could be said in regards to yourself. So you got some reads? What are your thoughts?

[Starbuck]

Reading Gamma's 1097 and 1098, are pisskop and Walter confused? The discussion was of NPOM pushing for the mod kill, not Gamma.


I didn't think Doctor Drew's read of IKS was all that bad. I've had him as probtown in my mind for awhile. Am I missing something?

It is concerning to see sheeping of an OMGUS, too.

[Starbuck]

Like, everyone has acted like I was aying that as my own opinion when I legitimately fucking said something to the opposite effect already
Are you guys capable of reading beyond a fourth grade level?

Nope, not everyone. I called this out in 1124.

[Starbuck]

I see you caught it. NVM THEN, GAMMA.

[Starbuck]

Most of the wagons have been abs shite.

Which have been? Which haven't been?

Explain. I like powerpoint presentations.

[Starbuck]

This is also the third time I'll have asked to show where it was Leia appeared to be new.

I didn't get the feeling that Leia was new at all.

[Starbuck]

Am I allowed to get annoyed that people are continuing to care about Leia?

Yeah, but at the same time, you've got to let folks sort things out.

[Starbuck]

Would you say the same thing about Titus? She did a 20 person reads list, too. I don't see you going as hard at her as you are at Iec.

Obviously my original statement about how valuable those lists are still stands, but Titus at least has been somewhat active in the thread, Iecerint popped in with a sparse bit of catch up and then posted that list.

I can't remember if I commented that my reading of Iecerint's catch up was that he seemed to spend a lot more time on reading than others were giving credit for.
I watched that catchup in real time and noticed that he was head down on the catchup and failing to notice my replies on material later than the catchup point. That implies a much higher degree of attention being spent than a quick read.

@Gamma - I don't think you're being very fair to Iec here and discrediting him in favor of boosting Titus. If you read Iec's ISO, he has 16 posts of catch up before he drops his list. That's not as sparse as you are misrepping it to be. Titus hastily threw together a list only when prodded, as she said, by my 967. Iec did his on his own list (without being asked) and even explained his mindset going when queried in 744. It's interesting that you're focusing/discrediting Iec, but not giving any attention to Titus on this.

In all actuality, I didn't expect Titus to drop a full list and to have a read on every person in the game (save for one or two replacements). I'm not quite sure how anyone has that put together, but Iec's explanation in 744 lets me know that he put thought and time into his catch up and his reads list, where Titus seemingly didn't.


@dave - I noticed the same thing, which is why the attacks on Iec, without any look towards Titus, bother me.

[Starbuck]

yea but Im too lazy to find 720

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post 720
Can you do that in the future?

Wait, I don't need to use the url link? I feel like an idiot.

[Starbuck]

yea but Im too lazy to find 720

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Can you do that in the future?

Wait, I don't need to use the url link? I feel like an idiot.

Assuming sincerity:

Spoiler:

Appreciate that. I know about the highlight a few sentences to quote thing, but totally missed this.

Thank you.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, so let me get this straight, your objection is that I am paying attention? Rather than look at my reads wall for details and interact, you object to content even existing?

My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

It's also concerning to me that you keep flip flopping my thoughts nearly each time you address me in this game. It's happened too many times in a row now to be considered a genuine mistake.

[Starbuck]

My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

Yes, this is what I noticed. It's kinda hard to know whether to use it as AI, it seems to me that her availability and attention level seem to fluctuate.

What's weirding me out is that she has misinterpreted me multiple times now. I'm not sure if she's going out of her way to do it or if her goal is to spin me up, maybe?

I've played with Titus a fair amount over the last few months and I haven't gotten this feeling off her before.

That and her immediate jump to sort me as scum, when I am most definitely town this game, is throwing me for a loop.

[Starbuck]

My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

Yes, this is what I noticed. It's kinda hard to know whether to use it as AI, it seems to me that her availability and attention level seem to fluctuate.

What's weirding me out is that she has misinterpreted me multiple times now. I'm not sure if she's going out of her way to do it or if her goal is to spin me up, maybe?

I've played with Titus a fair amount over the last few months and I haven't gotten this feeling off her before.

That and her immediate jump to sort me as scum, when I am most definitely town this game, is throwing me for a loop.

I haven't misinterpreted you at all. You are different than the Weakest Link. I want to know why but I can't articulate just how you're different.

For instance, you asking me for a readslist then objecting to the very fact I created it, doesn't make much sense. Why not engage with the substance unless looking for something to attack?

What are your thoughts on chkflip and IKS?

1. Yes, you have and you've done it repeatedly.

2. I'm not sure why you can't articulate why I'm different. Maybe because I've settled back into playing again and I'm not feeling so rusty anymore?

2. Of course, I'm different from Weakest Link. It was my first game back on site after like 3 years (I think) and I was dealing with the absolute toxic waste dump that was springlullaby as my welcome back to the site. I've already explained this. I'm not sure why that's the game that you're going back to (when there's Mafia of Revelations), but you're obviously not going to be satisfied with my answer and keep pushing this ridiculous idea, as you've shown already.

3. I actually didn't ask you for a reads "list." I just asked if you had any reads and if you cared to share - 967 (thanks for that bbcode help, Galron). I don't expect anyone to have a full list of reads in a large game, let alone in 8 minutes from my original ask, because that's an unrealistic expectation. I would have been happy if you threw out like a top 3 scum and top 3 town. I was trying to interact with you and see where your head was at because your ISO, to that point, left a lot to be desired and still kinda does.

4. I have been engaging with the substance, but there were other things to focus on, as well. It's not all about you and your slot.

5. While chkflip is being way overaggressive and could stand to back down a bit, I'm feeling town on him. As for IKS, I'm rather null, to be fair. I can see chkflip's point on folks just railing on IKS all game and him feeling downtrodden, I can also see Drew's (I think?) point that he's being purposeful in his trolling. However, the quickness in how the wagons have been building is a concern.

6. Wasn't it you who wanted to do some VCA? That could be helpful in the current game state.

[Starbuck]

Of folks who should be shredded today, I'm down to shred Galron or NPOM. If it comes down to it, I don't think IKS is a bad choice either, but I think he needs to speak for himself with a quickness.

I need to do a deeper dive on Looker, Lavender, Bambi, Walter, A50, Gamma, and Bright so I can get rid of all the null in my field of vision.

[Starbuck]

I'm really sorry guys, my laptop just hard-crashed last night and I am posting from a back-up computer that I have very intermittent access to. There is no way I can have sufficient computer access to be able to play and I'm not going to have my new computer for at least a week. I think I need to request replacement. Hope ya'll have a good game.

I am almost prepared to lynch the spot than have someone come in, catch up, and get a read on them in a short period of time.

That's not a very pro-town position, especially on Day 1.

[Starbuck]

I need to do a deeper dive on Looker, Lavender, Bambi, Walter, A50, Gamma, and Bright so I can get rid of all the null in my field of vision.

Reading Looker, he seems like he's somewhat paying attention and his questions/interactions (how little they may be) feel genuine. He's still null to me because I need more information, but I wouldn't want to shred him today.


Reading Lavender, it's a ton of fluff. Maybe an interaction here or there, but more avoiding interaction or posting to give an excuse. Almost opposite of Looker, I'd say. I'd add Lavender to my shredpool, though I don't think we're looking that direction today. I'm hoping, in the mean time, they come back and to redeem their lackluster performance thus far.


Reading Bambi, she has more content than the previous 2. There's a good mix of fluff/non-scumhunting with actual game talk, as well as a crumb. All in all, Bambi is coming off as genuine to me, thus far. However, I'll be holding her to this promise. So I'll stick Bambi in a null-ish town kinda spot.


Reading Walter, he's contributed a lot more than I originally thought to include driving conversation, asking questions, and interacting. I don't really have many concerns here, but I'm interested in the fact that he's calling himself out for stuff that he's doing, such as 726 and 742. I'm not sure if this is a way to try and gain town cred as scum or genuine self-evaluation given his join date. I'm going with the latter and am sorting Walter to my town reads.


Reading A50, there's a lot of fluff/spam throughout his ISO. So far, I'm up to ISO 27 and there's maybe been 2 actual game-related ones. His 492 sticks out to me because of the shade that he's throwing. I think it was already confirmed that scum have daytalk, so why, if both are scum, would Walter need to coach in thread? In any case, this post didn't give me the greatest of feelings. More spammy/fluff posts before he admits in 983 that he not only accepts Titus' null read but readily admits his spamming as being "clearly present." You can be clearly present and be doing absolutely nothing. This might actually be worse than Galron and IKS put together and has moved A50 clearly into my shredpool.


Reading Bright, he is here and scumhunting which is a positive. He says, almost out of the gate, that he town reads A50. Having read A50's ISO before doing Bright's just now, I'm not sure how he got that right off the bat. Then we get to his vote and lame case on me in 830, I already responded to this in 840 but I haven't forgotten about it. I do appreciate his insight on IKS in 1224, as I've been a bit lost on that wagon and I think I'm sold on that shred today.


As for Gamma, they have 90 something posts and I need a break for a little.

[Starbuck]

I need to do a deeper dive on Looker, Lavender, Bambi, Walter, A50, Gamma, and Bright so I can get rid of all the null in my field of vision.

Have fun. Won't take long.

It took longer than I thought actually and I still need to deep dive Gamma and maybe Pooky, too.

More likely Galron is your scum buddy. I'm not buying your story.

Why do you think this about Iec? I'd like a case to back this accusation up, please.

I've been working on two things all of D1:
1. Trying to suss out the assumption i had earlier
2. Getting rid of lurkers

At this point, I just want to get out of D1. All the discussions and arguments feel like circular logic, nothing much seems to be changing. Let's just get a few flips and go from there.

Where are you at with your assumption? If you care to share?

On your second point, I'd disagree. There are a handful of arguments feeling circular (me and Titus for one of them), but I feel like there has been some engaging discussion. With all that on the table, we just need to decide on our most worthwhile shred.


Big +1 to the entirety of Dave's 1298 and I appreciate Galron's rebuttal in 1299. Please, Galron, more of that and your preceding posts thereafter!

UNVOTE: Galron

[Starbuck]

1. Let's not rehash and get into circles here.

2. I am not satisfied because it's my gut that says something's off and different. I also don't recall spring being that toxic.

3-4. Well if you're trying to see where my head is at...ask about a specific read?

6. I can look at the wagons and guess. That's not VCA though. I hate when players ask for a Day 1 VCA. That's not how it works.

I might just need to sig that.

1. Fine

2. This feels borderline gaslighty. I know you replaced ABR, who actually PM'd me to ask if I'd join and play that game, who just as toxic as spring. So it's boggling me as to why you can't remember how toxic spring was to me, Pink Ball, farside, etc. She was banned shortly thereafter. The whole situation (ABR PMing me to join + his toxicity and spring's toxicity) had me questioning why I even came back to the site in the first place. I spent that entire game on the defensive and really didn't find much enjoyment, but didn't want to replace out because I was so stoked to play with farside. So, again, I'm not sure why you keep bringing this game up when I've already told you multiple times why I would have a different feel there, even as the same alignment. I'd really like this subject to cease.

3-4. As of right now, the fact that this is the push you keep riding on, rather than giving actually insight to this game, has me not having much else nice to say to you at the moment. You're still in my null pile because I don't know where to put you, but so much of your content seems forced and then you keep riding this whole thing to do with Weakest Link doesn't have me feeling good. You came out swinging about how I don't feel the same to you, but dang, where is the Titus that I've seen in past games because you're not the on-the-ball Titus that I've grown to know.

6. I was being facetious.

[Starbuck]

Well I asked ya to ask I questions, and I guess you took that the wrong way hah~

The Beetlejuice is real around here, which means you're reading and keeping up, but not contributing on purpose.

Redeem yourself with some contributions, some reads, and your general feel about the game. Who do you think is scum? Who should be our shred #1 today?


FYI, I'm not liking the policy push coming from rudeboy.

[Starbuck]

Dang Iec, that 1354 is pure awesome.

And yes, I'd much prefer NPOM over anyone else today.


VOTE: NPOM

[Starbuck]

so, nothing from 1342 ?

The mod hasn't been here, so nothing until he arrives, I guess?

[Starbuck]

Lavender for me doesn't have any pure scum tells, other than lurking and not providing a single damn relevant post, even after promising to do so.

Huh, i guess those ARE scumtells in a way.

I'd just rather lynch a lurker who is prodge'ing and not contributing, than someone who we may actually get something out of at some point.

why dont you ask her direct questions you want her thoughts on instead of going KILL THIS LURKER.

+1. I mentioned it before, but I'm not liking this policy push from rudeboy.

There are plenty of folks who lurk and not provide relevant posts as town and scum. It's NAI.

This feels like distracting from the two perfectly good wagons that we have right now because rudeboy wants to save NPOM. But the question that remains is why?

[Starbuck]

I'm not impressed by Lavender's reads list. There's no actual talk of the current game state or anything that's happened at all. She seems busy and from what I'm seeing, you all say that she did the same in the last game. I appreciate the effort, but I'm still just as null on her as I was before 1432. If all she's going to do is prodge, that's pretty unfair to those who are here and contributing. It's not a shreddable offense, more irritating than anything.


This post is @chkflip

I think an IKS flip should tell an awful lot about you, at the very least

But I agree.

I'm not claiming cause the wagon is crap.

CAUGHT FOR THE WRONG REASONS

Yep. More votes on NPOM so we can end this day, please.

[Starbuck]

@chkflip To be fair, I didn't expect for her to dive into a reads list. I'm more interested in her thoughts on what's going on. I just was hoping for some commentary on the game, which usually involves stating some reads along the way anyways. I'm not sure where the pressure for a full 20+ reads list is coming from on Day 1 (for anyone, let alone Lavender) or why folks are feeling the need to do them. No one expects you to have everyone read and sorted into piles right now.

[Starbuck]

Learn to stop being afraid and just love the NaPOM (wagon).

I'm DM'ing tonight. Will respond to things more tomorrow.

Roll to suduce the bar maid.

Nat 1.

[Starbuck]

Learn to stop being afraid and just love the NaPOM (wagon).

I'm DM'ing tonight. Will respond to things more tomorrow.

Roll to suduce the bar maid.

Nat 1.

Bet. Roll the dice legit and post it here. We got a tag for it. Just roll it and post.

- Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.

[Starbuck]

i am and have been providing content.

The Activity Overview determined that was a lie.

[Starbuck]

Developer doesn't have anything to do with music right?

Not buying the claim

VOTE: IKS

It's a large theme game, which means that most mods come up with their own roles and different abilities for things. Your rationale here is flawed.

Anyone else have a flavor that's not music-ized?

I think you're mixing up flavor and actual role abilities.

Why name the game guitarists then?

John Browne is a guitarist. You know, if you'd actually open another tab and Google him.

LMGTFY: https://www.google.com/search?q=john+browne+guitarist

Point stands about flavor.

It doesn't because you're blatantly wrong and being purposefully obtuse.

[Starbuck]

There's a shit ton of WIFOM coming from NPOM's direction. Can some of you on that IKS train unvote so there's not an accidental hammer, please?

[Starbuck]

I have a Wiki role.

Your point doesn't stand.

[Starbuck]

You know that point that Titus was making, earlier in the game, in regards to using mod communications? I think your pushing that boundary and you need to stop immediately.

[Starbuck]

I think NPOM is purposefully trying to sow confusion and doubt.

[Starbuck]

then I think it's rather presumptive to think him not having a stylized role name is scum indicative? It's possible Baker couldn't think of anything on-brand and had to rock 'n' roll with the wiki name.

My thought exactly.

[Starbuck]

It's more of that combined with him saying he didn't check the wiki but I think he did

I think that's a presumption and WIFOM.

It's not provable, so you should find a different angle.

[Starbuck]

Alright, we're 3 hours from deadline.. I'm still not liking the way that NPOM reacted or anything about him really, but after re-reading some, there are some inconsistencies that can't be ignored from IKS.

VOTE: IKS

[Starbuck]

@BEF - if you're going to POE the wagon, you shouldn't leave off TD and Bambi. If you're going to analyze the wagon, analyze all of it.

[Starbuck]

@BEF - if you're going to POE the wagon, you shouldn't leave off TD and Bambi. If you're going to analyze the wagon, analyze all of it.

Considering I already stated I random voted anyway and just forget to unvote, what do you think you'll get by analysing my vote pattern?

I was hoping he'd bring that up himself instead of you feeding it to him.

Regardless, if he's going to analyze, he shouldn't ignore you and TD. That's my point.

[Starbuck]

Oh and for the record, Titus sent me delicious berries.

[Starbuck]

Why not just do the whole thing in one shot? Why such a quick defense?

[Starbuck]

Are you nervous because you are in that lot? You were on my TRs for D1 but you coming at me like this with the "quick defense" comment makes that read shaky.

Not at all. I just don't see the point of analyzing part of the wagon but not the rest of it. Like why are you purposefully leaving out TD and Bambi?

[Starbuck]

I'm a little more curious about the DayVig making it through the night.
And the DayDoc saving scum.

I took these as jokes. Were they not as joking as I thought?

[Starbuck]

I'm kind of tempted to vote Starbuck here, given the weird beginning of day interaction that just happened with the fishy, and how hard I was town reading them and how easy I am to pocket, but that is prolly just my paranoia talking.

What about it and why? I could give a crap less if BEF needs to use a magnifying glass on me. I'm not scum. Let him do his worst. I'll debunk everything that's thrown at me.

What bothered me was leaving you and Bambi off that analysis. If you're clean, you should have no problem being analyzed. This response makes me feel like you may not be as clean as I thought.

Quick question, Npom was also a policy elim, yes?

Not for me. I already wanted NPOM gone ages before Iec's case, but stayed off the wagon due to what I thought was legit info from rudeboy that ended up being a gut feeling.

However, I thought some others were voting due to policy. I need to go back and look at the wagon to name names.

I don't think scum would shoot just for Wifom this early

Yeah, I don't like the way you discount this.

Starbuck shouldn't determine contribution from the Activity Overview; it doesn't account for spam posters.

I will until posts aren't less than, equal to, or just above the mod in quantity. That's my threshold. You can post less than those of us in the midrange or even a bit below, but if your contribution is near the same as the mod's, you're not helpful. You're a hindrance.

[Starbuck]

I really like Starbuck's post right here, seems very transparent. What I don't like, however, is she immediately attacking BEF for how they are analyzing the IKS wagon. Instead of poo-pooing it before they give any reads why not wait until said reads are given and then voice any issues you have.

I already pointed out the discrepancy of analyzing the wagon and leaving off the 2 people before Looker. This isn't new news.

I'm not poo-pooing the analysis. I look forward to reading it. I'm poo-pooing purposefully ignoring TD and Bambi which is problematic in my eyes.

[Starbuck]

you made the leap that they were purposely ignoring them,

I did. To gauge their reaction (which wasn't very favorable). They got defensive quick for literally no reason and then tried to turn my questioning around to if I was "nervous." That was quite the quick jump from just answering that they plan to look at the other two later, which they still haven't actually committed to.

On top of that, the reactions from you saying that I'm "attacking" BEF (which is not what is happening) and TD saying that my line of questioning is weird/making them doubt their townread on me, without asking me the why behind it is a concern to me, as well. I feel the shade both of you are throwing, and more of Whiteknighty type feel from you.

Why can't I call someone out for a discrepancy that I see without it being deemed as an attack? Why is okay for TD to talk about me and not to me?

[Starbuck]

I'm not particularly liking the Beetlejuice moments that have been happening with Lavender. There's nothing, nothing, and more nothing and then their name pops up and they post something like what happened on Page 74. And of course, it's still NOTHING that adds to the game. For those of you who said that Lavender is this type of poster (more on the lower end of the post quantity spectrum), was there this much Beetlejuicing in the last Baker game? To me, it feels like they are paying attention to the game, but not contributing which, for me, is scum indicative.

Because this:

Guess I’ll wait for things again I guess

Is absolutely ridiculous.

Anyone who switched off at the claim should probably be looked at

+1

Just Gamma and Walter? Fuckin come at me, bro.

Meh, I've defended folks for the exact same reasons. I don't think you'd have gone to the extent you did for a buddy.

I feel like we can sink scum starbuck later.

But I'll float because I'm not scum. Good try anyways, though.

I will say that I'm always angry.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck is wavering and losing that TR but for now SB leans town.

Either I have it or I lost it, but don't lose it because I asked you a question/challenged you. I'm still trying to figure out your slot because your lack of participation yesterday didn't help me very much.


DGB needs to stop mindmelding with me.

How does everyone know your position on claim stalls?

Because we've been around long enough.

I'm pretty sure I'm spewing green.

You're still spewing pretty red to me.

You strategy was to obfuscate your role and make it difficult for us to know who to smash on time.

Agreed. NPOM, you caused so much all over the place confusion at the end of the day for seemingly no reason other than to purposefully spam and cause distractions. I'm firmly with DGB on this.

I do ride that Activity Overview train, but there's no goddamn reason for you to have 209 posts already.

[Starbuck]

It is that black and white.

But you do you, boo.

[Starbuck]

Nope. I'm town all game.

I have been told that I give false positives, though.

[Starbuck]

It's just interesting how, based on our only direct interaction (I think), that you're suddenly changing your tune.

[Starbuck]

The reason to look at Starbuck would be to investigate the idea of a hammer for town cred. Someone made a reference to getting up early being unlikely for scum who could let it go for a no-shred. It's 6am from my timezone but that's 9am for Eastern US and late in the day for Europe. I think it's a big conclusion jump to think getting up early has anything to do with it unless you know a particular player's timezone. At E-1 at deadline, writing is on the wall and it's a tradeoff between the pain of hammering vs. not being sure if anyone knows or will figure out you ran out the clock. I don't think we can rule out a bus here. On the flip side, it's a pretty towny move.

Just to comment on this, I hammered IKS around 6 am Eastern (my forum time is set at UTC-5 if you need that info) about 3 hours before deadline. Typically, I'm up closer to 9 because I don't have to be to work until 10, but I have a senior 15 y/o dog who goes out at all hours. It happened to work out, when I laid back down after taking him out, that I remembered to check the thread before I fell back asleep. All of the previous will probably be taken as TMI or WIFOM, but I felt it was important to point out that I actually voted around 6 am and not 9 am.

Unless you're referencing the deadline time?

[Starbuck]

I voted scum way before Starbuck, but I'm the hindrance

To be fair, it's still not proven if NPOM is scum or not. So you might be eating these words.

The hindrance comment comes from not being here and doing more IIoA and snarky comments (like above and the whole post where the above came from) than actually adding to the game. So why don't you actually comment on the game state and not make excuses as to why you aren't?



I agree with pisskop's 1972, even if the idea of it is extremely aggravating.

VOTE: NPOM

This vote is based on my case D1, plus similar behavior from him today (e.g., not scumhunting, making irrelevant comments, trying to get others off-track). I think his behavior is best explained by a scum wincon. He does not behave this way in his games in general. Pisskop's wagon having been an anternawagon on such flimsy grounds supports this.

I think its unlikely that both were scum. Where does that leave scum before the wagon on me?

I think both of them being scum ACCOUNTS FOR the wagon on you (e.g., IKS and NPOM voted for you and tried to get others to vote for you).

That was really odd. Typically, one or the other would have been pushing the opposite one. Not both of them pushing for someone else entirely.


Big +1 to Pooky's 1982

Because I am generating a lot of content which is obviously protown but they are insisting that I am scummy and not considering town me. Plus they were on my wagon.

Generating a lot of content doesn't automatically mean that you're pro-town. Just as generating little content doesn't automatically mean that you're scum. It's what you do with that content. If Looker and Lavender were actually adding authentic thought to the thread, I wouldn't consider them hindrances. On the opposite, flooding the thread is something that can be considered scum indicative (take a look at Auro in Mafia of Revelations).

You're currently sitting at 227 posts as per the Activity Overview. The next person underneath you is rudeboy with 165. You have 62 more posts than the second highest active player and have spent 2 days dancing about with WIFOM and trying to tell us how "pro-town" you are while giving every scum tell in the book.

No, I definitely think we had two scum wagons going yesterday and I'm glad to bubble in your name for the 2nd day in a row.


VOTE: NPOM

[Starbuck]

caught for the wrong reason scum?

Bit of deja vu?


Ahh, good to see some NPOM votes. Thank goodness.

I'm pretty sure I'm trusted by the majority

I'll take Famous Quotes by 45 for $200, Alex.

orrr.... do you want to take some attention off of your scumpartner.

As the guy who spent time trying to take focus off NPOM from the start of Day 1, I wouldn't put it past you to be continuing with that with this weird Lavender policy push.

I'm not sold on you as scum, but if NPOM flips red. You'll have questions to answer.

And as I get further down the page, though, I do wholeheartedly appreciate your 2008



FYI, the more that NPOM refers to himself as a policy push, and ignore the concerns about his scummy behavior, the more votes he should have on him.

[Starbuck]

Where was the claim in this sequence

Timestamp of IKS's claim Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:00:09 pm
After my vote, about 20-30 minutes before NPOM's vote.

Why not call yourselves the Axis of Good?

The Axis of Awesome exists.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck's words don't really help me. I don't attack her play because I'm an adult, but yeah, I don't see what use she is. Maybe she thinks she's actually finding patterns in this place - whatever makes her happy in this game people play to kill time.

Wait, what? Where did personal shots come into this? Take that energy and put it toward generating content and contributing.

I can't criticize your play when there isn't any to criticize.

[Starbuck]

I can't even understand why a sane person would think the most logical explanation is that they are clearly together, I honestly am baffled by your thought train. You are doing some crazy mental gymnastics here.

It's not just the stuff to do with you and PK either. He's all over the place on just about everything else, too.

It's the lack of scumhunting and actual analysis within the formatting that I have a problem with. He's just prodding, sometimes aimlessly, to look busy. Very little followthrough on questions which shows he doesn't actually give a shit about the answer. He just wants the air of doing something productive without actually being as much.

Don't forget the air of pretentiousness to accompany it.


I totally empathize with chk's 2082.

This is a better wagon than NPOM today because they should not be the same alignment.

I don't like your chk case at all.

One reason is your quick snippet about his Titus vote. People vote for all sorts of reasons on Day 1, but mostly for pressure/figuring out reads. You can be town while pressure voting another townie to get them to respond. It's not like there was a wagon on Titus, but pressure was deserved on her slot. Also, she wasn't as ridiculously town as you are pushing in 2091, which is rich given that you're saying as such after her flip.

On his defense of IKS, I have defended the wrong person before and I could see where IKS could be taken as frustrated town. Unfortunately, for chk, IKS flipped scum, but his action of defending IKS is null as he could have done it as scum, but he also could have done it as town. I believe the latter because I don't think chk would have stuck his neck out for a buddy like that.

Chk has pretty well taken care of himself on this back and forth (I wasn't surprised by that) and dismantled every point. I do think you're barking up the wrong tree, and I'm hoping you're just misguided town in this situation.

[Starbuck]

@chk the defense of you haven't read doesn't really hold water. He may have a bad argument, but using that defense is a non-starter.

False. He stated from the beginning that he wasn't going to catch up. So yes, I think it's fair for him to make that point now.

The possibility that you are scum with siteflake and NPOM is miraculously town is what I am looking at right now CHK.

That was Day 1. Why would anyone who was aligned with IKS stick their neck out for that sinking ship that early in the game? I know that's WIFOM, but come on. In my opinion, Chkflip (no offense, bud) would leave the women and children and take the boat.

@Bear I mean, there is more information to be gathered between here and there, but yeah, prolly.

It just seems to me that if you are insisting that Chk/Npom is T/S that the better choice would be to flip Npom

+1


However, I will like to withdraw my vote of NPOM because I think there are bigger fish to fry in the Looker/Lavender pool. I prefer Looker, but Lavender may be the better choice here.

UNVOTE: NPOM

[Starbuck]

2157 seals that deal.

VOTE: Looker

[Starbuck]

I don't understand how you can be "bored town" when you haven't even been here other than to sling insults.

[Starbuck]

@starbuck, he was not a sinking ship, NPOM wagon was very real alternative.

Please tell me something that I don't know.

Just because there was another alternative, doesn't mean he wasn't a sinking ship.

[Starbuck]

My wagon is still scum driven...town would focus on more than one player.

So you kept saying this yesterday and now today. NAME NAMES.

[Starbuck]

I do think Looker is town, but I have no read on Lavender.

Why is he town?

[Starbuck]

Why do you go all Drumpf when people call you on your shit?

[Starbuck]

So...is Lavender a "hindrance" yet...?

She has been. I appreciate her post just above, but you and her have some work to do (in my eyes) before you're out of that category.

For the record, I used hindrance in regards to your gameplay and usefulness to the rest of us trying to eliminate scum. On top of that, you've done nothing in response to anything I've said other than insult me and be dickish in general with your "honest assessments." If you're a dick, just own it (like chk), but don't hide it behind by saying you're just "being honest." There is a difference.

Your response to my "seals the deal" comment in this post is gross and just proves more to me that you're being toxic on purpose. I remember replacing into a game that you were in and you didn't seem this awful. You want to toss around phrases like "acting like an adult," but you're obviously the one that needs to take a look in the mirror.

You've had ample opportunity to read the thread, make a case, and be useful, but yet you still refuse.

[Starbuck]

I do think Looker is town, but I have no read on Lavender.

Why is he town?

His posts seem earnest, I am not seeing lack of effort, vagueness, scummy phrasing, etc.

Subjectively I enjoy his posts but that NAI.

I'd have to disagree. I'm not seeing any attempt to solve, make a case, or contribute more than being generally insulting. He is spending more time stirring folks up than being of use or putting a case together.

I replaced into Grand Idea GPick, where Looker had already been playing. He replaced into that game a bit before me and has way more contributions as a replacement there than he does starting the game here.

[Starbuck]

I think I mixed that up. I replaced in before him. My point is that he attempts the solve there. He's not doing that here.

[Starbuck]

If you're a dick, just own it (like chk)

Rude.

I wasn't trying to be. It seemed like a badge you were proud of.

[Starbuck]

I was hoping 2308 would give some insight. Alas, no.


On the other hand and bright side, I'm glad to see the reads list coming from NPOM. This is what I've been waiting for, dude.

[Starbuck]

LoL, I'm not even voting you for being dickish. I have reasons for my vote that you clearly ignored.

Carry on, though.

[Starbuck]

This is a weird tangent, NPOM.

[Starbuck]

Should players have a say in mod level decisions? No. Does really matter that much in this case? No.

Why are you freaking out so much about it? It's not like we have any say anyways.

[Starbuck]

Busy day. I'm just going to aim to catch up in the morning, but from just reading this page, I don't think I missed much.

[Starbuck]

Hey Chk, if Looker is scum, you almost assuredly aren't, and vice-versa really. You cool with being tomorrow's lynch if looker flips red? Cause like, I still think you/pooky is more likely, but that is incompatible with looker, and if they flip red that would hardclear both of you to me, which would be very worth, so I am thinking of voting looker here. Whatcha' think?

Aside from the WIFOM and the fact that you completely contradict yourself here, trying to set up the next day's elimination doesn't usually come from a town perspective.

As for the contradiction that I see, you want Chk to be the elim tomorrow if Looker flips red, but then you say that if Looker flips red that would hardclear Pooky and him. So what is it? If Looker flipping red clears both of them, why are you mentioning a Chk push for tomorrow?

I've read down to your 2429 and 2430 for your further explanation, but the above makes me uneasy in regards to you. This last bit of input (all 3 posts together) from you is very convoluted and doesn't feel as though you put much thought into it, other than trying to find a way to implicate Chk and Pooky.

If I didn't think the Looker wagon was a worthwhile place to be, my vote would be moving right now. As I'm starting to feel that if Looker flips red, it's more likely that you are, too.

Also @Pook, I don't need a case, your soft-defend on chk was enough for me <3.

You do need a case. It's scummy to be poking this suspicion and not provide the case. Town would take the time to show the rest of town what you're seeing that we aren't.

No, no you don't get to slide on that with EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'VE FUCKING DONE. That last NPOM sequence with A50 screams scum so fucking hard, I am done with ALL of this nonsense. VOTE: npom

What is with this overreaction? I mean, NPOM has moved more towards null for me for the time being but he was answering a question posed by A50.

NPOM is pretty new still, right? Because the more I read his posts and the more he goes off on ridiculous tangentss (like the whole thing about replacements and this Pooky band thing), the more he reads as null or just real noobtown to me. No experienced players would be focused on these things.

[Starbuck]

@Starbuck, All I'm going to say in regards to your last post on me is that I have gotten into MANY arguments about the effectiveness and town-ness of my playstyle before, when I am both town and scum, and at this point in my life I don't find it to be interesting, engaging, or conducive to basically anything useful, and therefore will basically always decline to engage when challenged on it. Sorry friend.

I'm asking you to further explain your thoughts on what's going on in the game, not the effectiveness/townness of your playstyle. So I don't understand this response. You're going to purposefully not engage with me when I'm asking you to explain your thought process.

"Sorry friend" that's a shitty response.

[Starbuck]

NPOM is pretty new still, right? Because the more I read his posts and the more he goes off on ridiculous tangentss (like the whole thing about replacements and this Pooky band thing), the more he reads as null or just real noobtown to me. No experienced players would be focused on these things.

I agree with that, but still I keep swinging on my read of the slot.

Same. Unfortunately.

WOW do I hate the timing on that pook post.

Ok, DGB or dave, cause you two are like the only people I really trust right now, tell me I'm crazy here if you think I'm crazy. Does Pooky's #2524 not feel like cheeky as fuck scum, who does not have Chk as a buddy?

Not directed at me, but you could just as easily be running into confbias the way it's been in your head that they're partners the last couple of days. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but to explore your premise a bit, you are wiling to accept the possibility chk/NPOM could be TvT (2091), but not chk/pooky.

In fact, you go from having chk scum in 2087 and 2091 to Pooky pushing you a bit on it because he was questioning chk & IKS being of the same alignment and then Pooky's scum. You go from 2302 being a light defense of chk by pooky (2307) to chk/pooky making more sense than NPOM (2349) to it being most likely that chk and pooky are scum (2429 and 2430) and then you don't need a case, you just sit back on the "soft defense" of chk by pooky (2434). It's weird because you have a progression there, but it's not a progression based on substance, and you admit that it's not based on anything.

Then big double-take, NPOM slinks by and all of a sudden he's scum claimed and down goes your vote (2463 and 2470).

And this is what I was trying to explore with my post on the last page but he can't fucking talk to me about it and would rather make excuses about "not wanting to defend his playstyle" than explain his thoughts.

Hoping you get a "but I don't argue my playstyle" response, too.

[Starbuck]

Also, THANK YOU! can we vote him now?

Nah, I'm more interested in the link between you and Looker, who's elimination that you're working to distract from.

[Starbuck]

.....cause if I was a scum buddy trying to distract from looker I would TOTALLY go to chk and say "hey mate, what do you think of voting looker today and if he flips scum I'll hardclear you and pooky." That makes total sense right starbuck? Right?

Jesus, I thought you were one of the smart ones.

WHICH IS WHY I ASKED YOU TO CLARIFY IN MY 2517 AND YOU REFUSED. You discredited what I had to say as attacking your playstyle when all I wanted was some god damn clarification on your thoughts. Why are you condescending to me when you refused to clarify in the first place? Even Galron came in on 2529 asking for similar clarification, so you can't lean back on the "I sufficiently explained myself" train when you clearly didn't.

Looking at it this morning, I think I took the "you/Pooky" as the hardclear part in 2418, rather than the hardclear of you and Chk. I misread that, but it all could have been figured out if you didn't sit back and refuse to talk to me. So the fact that you didn't want to try and clear up the misunderstanding and just sit back and be a jerk to me, still makes me question your allegiance to town because town would want to clear up confusion. Not contribute to it and cause chaos.

Regardless of the above, that still doesn't help clarify and of what you said in that post, including your opening line below, which was another clarification that I was asking about. You said one thing and then went and contradicted yourself in the next. But again, you still refused to fucking communicate. Don't get mad when I don't get what you're trying to say when you are making more of an effort to obfuscate than clarify.

Hey Chk,

if Looker is scum

, you almost assuredly aren't, and vice-versa really.

You cool with being tomorrow's lynch if looker flips red?

[Starbuck]

Anyone else notice Looker has disappeared when his wagon got real?

Not a coincidence.

Agreed.

What are your thoughts on a link between Looker and TD? Am I dreaming it or could it be a possibility?

That's an open-ended question for everyone. Not just Chk.

Also, THANK YOU! can we vote him now?

Nah, I'm more interested in the link between you and Looker, who's elimination that you're working to distract from.

Except the Looker lim itself felt like it was chk’s attempt to distract from lav/NPOM

To be fair, I was having scumreads of Looker and NPOM independent of anything Chk put forth. NPOM is back towards null/town for me now, but it was true at that time.

If TiphaineDeath thinks chkflip and I are on opposite teams, why would he want to lynch chkflip if I flipped red? chk kinda glazed over that.

OMG. You see the question that Looker asks here. Same clarification that I wanted.

What constitutes "distracting" from an elimination? And whose wincon does it have to be working against to be considered scummy? Was the pull from Lavender's elimination scummy?

I think I meant "derail" rather than "distract." Although, they have similar meanings. Regardless, I don't think the pull from Lavender's elimination to be scummy because I believe she's LHF and there's more scumminess in pushing her elimination (as there's the likelihood for more of a policy push which benefits scum) than to pull from it.

In regards to 2539, it was a response to TD who was clearly trying to gain traction on a Chk wagon while making absolutely no sense and contradicting himself throughout. It feels like a blatant try to obfuscate, rather than solve. Additionally, you pointed out the same contradiction that I saw just a few sentences up in this post in regards to TD wanting to shred Chk if you flipped red. I was asking for clarification on that and TD refused citing not wanting to defend his playstyle, to which I wasn't even asking about his playstyle. It was a completely off the wall response when speaking of actual gameplay.

I'm not quite clear on your wincon question, could you clarify that further?

[Starbuck]

Is the chkflip wagon developing to try and save scum!Looker?

This is the feeling that I've been having. Given Looker's last post and the fact that he seems to be on the same page with me on a few things, I'm wondering if I jumped to quick to a link between he and TD or if it's just TD who may be the scum. I don't want to disregard either possibility yet.

Once again Looker completely glosses over the facts that he can't refute, ignores the case against him, lays down even more IIoA, and now we're seeing how much he truly is just floating along in the game by completely forgetting what he said to begin with.

I don't think you're being very fair here. His last post was probably the first that wasn't full of insults and actually put forth effort to solve.

Do you have anything to say on this?

If TiphaineDeath thinks chkflip and I are on opposite teams, why would he want to lynch chkflip if I flipped red? chk kinda glazed over that.

[Starbuck]

Wow, yeah, I feel real dumb right now. That must have just literally been a mis-type. red=green in that post starbuck Q_Q.

I was feeling really harassed and wondering why no one was understanding a word I was saying and mis-repping me all over the place when it all made perfect sense to me, and it's because I am apparently incapable of typing. Bleargh.

Still think Npom is scum tho.

To re-iterate, my line of thought was thus:

I believed CHK/NPOM to be very likely to be = in alignment. I believed Looker to very likely be the OTHER alignment. This made a lot more sense to me in the world where NPOM somehow=town. In the world where NPOM has gone back to being scum for being incapable of consistency in their posting I'm not sure WHAT I am doing with this, or really any of my other scum-reads any more, other than the fact that I don't like how we've completely ignored walter today.

It's good that no one is listening to me anyway right now because this is NOT my A game. I was late AF on IKS and have spent today flailing around pretty hard. Sorry fam, will try to step it up x_X.

Where did NPOM come into play when you were talking about Pooky in 2418?

[Starbuck]

Hey guys, Imma do this.

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

Y'all can join me or not, but there's too many whoopsies happening.

[Starbuck]

I would much rather Looker actually quote the stuff being commented on. Having to click the link to connect it to the point being made is not cool. I think it's a scum tactic to keep people from verifying whether the observation is even valid.

It's NAI. He does it all the time. It seems.

[Starbuck]

I'm not abandoning Looker for the first opportunity that comes by. I see your shade of me, but there is something going on with TD and I'd like to explore it since we have like 8 days left.

[Starbuck]

Spoiler:

Wow, yeah, I feel real dumb right now. That must have just literally been a mis-type. red=green in that post starbuck Q_Q.

I was feeling really harassed and wondering why no one was understanding a word I was saying and mis-repping me all over the place when it all made perfect sense to me, and it's because I am apparently incapable of typing. Bleargh.

Still think Npom is scum tho.

To re-iterate, my line of thought was thus:

I believed CHK/NPOM to be very likely to be = in alignment. I believed Looker to very likely be the OTHER alignment. This made a lot more sense to me in the world where NPOM somehow=town. In the world where NPOM has gone back to being scum for being incapable of consistency in their posting I'm not sure WHAT I am doing with this, or really any of my other scum-reads any more, other than the fact that I don't like how we've completely ignored walter today.

It's good that no one is listening to me anyway right now because this is NOT my A game. I was late AF on IKS and have spent today flailing around pretty hard. Sorry fam, will try to step it up x_X.

This post confuses me. I'm not sure what's going on. I guess I need a simpler explanation.

In 2418 where TD says "red," he's now saying here that he meant to say green. In regards to his reiteration, he is speaking of Chk and Pooky in 2418,

NOT

Chk and NPOM.

[Starbuck]

I'm not abandoning Looker for the first opportunity that comes by. I see your shade of me, but there is something going on with TD and I'd like to explore it since we have like 8 days left.

Could you detail it a bit?

Simply, he keeps contradicting himself all over the place and can't keep his story/thoughts straight. Take a look at the back and forth over the past few pages to start.

For example, in 2418, he references Chk and Pooky, but then in a recent post NPOM was subbed into the Pooky spot.

He jumped all over me for asking for clarification of hardclearing Chk/Pooky (when I had misread because he meant himself and Chk), but now as of the post right below, he's talking about hardclearing Chk and Pooky.

Now, with his latest talk regarding NPOM, NPOM all of a sudden is shading me for following this train of thought on TD, which is coming off as a sorta white knight/defense of TD to me.

So maybe it's not Looker/TD link but a TD/NPOM link.

I'm not sure on any of this and would really appreciate some of y'all's insight.

[Starbuck]

I didn't even mention you Starbuck.

But your timing was impeccable after I switched my vote to TD. You don't have to mention someone to shade them.

[Starbuck]

Not hypersensitive, but you should probably consider your words.

In any case, appreciate the clarification.

[Starbuck]

My push could definitely suck. Hence, why I asked for some other POVs.

I haven't been pushing random angles, though. I asked him more than once for clarification and he obfuscated, then when he comes back, he's all over the place and gets upset over my vote on him. The ONLY vote on him.

Now, he's chock full of AtE to top it all off. Yeah, not really thinking my push sucked here.

[Starbuck]

We're in a guitar game. We shred!

[Starbuck]

We're in a guitar game. We shred!

You didn't answer my question.

I'm not sure how I'm feeling there given that he has given up on being caustic and provided some content. I still have to go back and dismantle TD's last post because there's even more contradictions in that one, but I'm a team player, so:

VOTE: Looker

[Starbuck]

Ooooh, pre-night WIFOM.

Spicy.

[Starbuck]

davesaz is baffling. I don't see how I'm obfuscating when I'm providing links to everything, as opposed to wall-posting. Most of the bottom bullet points are the more irrelevant things to me anyway.

If they're irrelevant then why are you going to that much trouble to post them, with embedded links, instead of posting relevant stuff?

Huh, you know the game that I mentioned that I was in with Looker (where he was scum), he was doing these same style posts with the links. In his most recent (I think) town game, Mini Normal 2154, he did them here and there, but not every single post. Is this one of the previous encounters that Chk is going off of? Walter was in this game, too, and I wish he was around for his insight.

Is he just forever behind in our current game and it's NAI? That's what I'm leaning towards. I kinda get set in my ways when I feel like I'm forever in catch up mode.

I don't have a shot.

So how is Starbuck dying then?

Why do I need to die? Case, please.

[Starbuck]

You've been such a distraction, I wouldn't shed any tears if you took a bullet.

So what's your read of NPOM?

Do you want him gone because he's a distraction or because you legitimately think he's scum?

[Starbuck]

I never said Starbuck is dying. I just posted the coffee image to be funny since she said the wifom was spicy and it's starbucks pumpin spice.

For the record, I understood the joke.

Galron's hypersensitivity to it is concerning, however.

I also think we could shred the VT claim rather than out a PR. We are not guaranteed to actually wagon scum if we chose not to go through with this wagon, so "we lose a town vote" isn't really a good argument. (Also, if VTs are meant to eat NKs, this one isn't because they've already claimed)

I'd much rather a TD death here.


Is Galron the hammer?

[Starbuck]

I really don't have the wherewithal to put together a TD case right now (just worked like 12 hours at my second job on a food truck). However, a great place to start is mine and TD's recent back and forth where he contradicts himself more and more with each post. I didn't even get to go through his last one because I've had IRL shit the past few days, but had hoped to try and lay out a good post all about it tomorrow (as in Sunday).

[Starbuck]

Oooooo. Spicy.

I take it you are going to join Drew on the people shouldn't be held accountable for their votes train.

I'm not sure where you're going with this whole shading someone over a joke, but it's not a good road to be traveling. Overreaction noted.

But hey neither the fuck can I.

Flushing all reads. Time to start again.

Opinion on TD, please?

[Starbuck]

I have a selection of names of abilities that I pick from that effect the game. Night one I did an ability called Reverb and night two was something called Compressor. If someone had something strange happen to them I'm probably the cause. I legit don't know the results, just the names.

To give my opinion here, I think Reverb may have been a reflection of some kind and that compressor was an all around role block.

[Starbuck]

@Bambi, I suspect what you actually did was stall the kill and it will be "Compressed" into tomorrow. We'll see if we wake up to two+dead tomorrow morning.

Ooooh, that would make sense.

[Starbuck]

Was just reading this article on Fender.com if anyone is interested.

[Starbuck]

Scratch titus for now; I can't remember what she's done.

[Starbuck]

Killswitch ENGAGE


Hahahaha. See what I did there?

[Starbuck]

[Starbuck]

I can bring back dead people from other games too. If you guys try to run me up I will summon 20 bad guys and outvote ya'all

I WANT THIS TO BE A THING

[Starbuck]

Tuner causes missed notes to land on pitch instead, or be shifted. Redirect maybe?

On the View Askew Board, we used to have a role known as a Fortifier that would make someone's action unable to be fucked with.

I'd think more on those lines than a redirect.

[Starbuck]

Busy few days, y'all, but doing some reading this morning.

[Starbuck]

@Titus - As someone who has done the same and reported my own damn self for posting in the wrong game, I hope you're not facepalming too hard.

I am disappointed that he got eliminated due to hate rather than alignment.

Agreed. Unfortunately, it didn't seem like any wanted to look at any other viable cases (i.e. TD), save for you and even Chk was like "no Starbuck, we'll do that tomorrow." The game wasn't going to move forward without removing that distraction and I own my vote on that wagon.

Starbuck (Probably town, attacked me for totally valid reasons. I was not being particularly coherent. Going to mark down the gut-scum I had on them earlier though so I don't forget.)

Oh look, right on time. I don't know if I should feel vindicated or if I'm being patronized to.

Bambi Jay (Who dis? Have you done stuff?

This comes after the posts from the beginning of this day where Bambi has, indeed, said that they've done stuff. Are you reading


This push onto NPOM is no bueno. TD is the better wagon for today. Imma get it started and write my case out when I'm done catching up.

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

[Starbuck]

I targeted lav last night. Got no result

Can you elaborate on the how you received that answer?

I'm conflicted on weather to stay on Death or switch to Assemble

Stay there. Don't go to Assemble when he hasn't caught up. Don't fall into this trap of policy wagons with everyone else.

i think its interesting that DGB getting wagoned is what finally got Rudeboi to vote NPOM. :3

This is a fantastic point.

My Night 2 target needs to speak up please.

Did you receive a result? If so, how?

But, right now, i want rid of NPOM, Rows, and Lav

All LHF and/or policy. Can you be any more scummilious? You make me want to switch from TD.

[Starbuck]

To Everyone who was on either or both of the NPOM wagons: I switched over. I was the main reason some people held back. What is holding you back now?

You switched on in a super scummy fucking way. On top of that, all of your pushes, aside from NPOM now, have been in realm of policy. Nah, bro. This sudden push onto NPOM is way too convenient.

or the replace-in for well not speaking.

This is rich coming from someone who has less posts than IKS, Titus, Looker, AND Princess Leia.

After this wagon is finished either by shred or organic dismantling, I would hope you would support an assemble push with me if nothing changes my read on that slot.

*bangs head against wall*

[Starbuck]

I got no result

No pm, and mod says it wasn’t an error

So I think you're lying because I also go no result, but received a picture of the compressor (which verifies Bambi for me).

[Starbuck]

VOTE: pisskop

[Starbuck]

Starbuck- Did I make you want to switch from TD to pisskop? You put up some good reasons for why you would want to vote me, and then switched to someone else.

No, I wanted to switch to you because I think your tactics (for someone who purports to be town) are really shitty. You've been riding on policy pushes and then after 3 days finally decide that NPOM is a worthwhile shred. Any credibility that you built went right down the hole for me.

I do think TD is shady as hell and trying to get on my good side with what he wrote in his reads list. As for yesterday, in short, he kept contradicting himself more and more with each and every response. I think he's a worthwhile shred.

Right now, though, pisskop is blatantly lying. If Bambi's actions are supposed to be a global effect and he didn't get compressed, he needs to be shredded immediately.

[Starbuck]

VOTE: pisskop

Starbuck confirmed for not reading

Pisskop confirmed for not be affected by a GLOBAL ACTION.

[Starbuck]

I am reading like, 65%. I started today fully expecting to be todays lynch so it's kinda hard to super-care *shrugs*

You aren't off the table for me and your AtE is terrible, FYI.

[Starbuck]

I got no result

No pm, and mod says it wasn’t an error

So I think you're lying because I also go no result, but received a picture of the compressor (which verifies Bambi for me).

So did Pisskop

I just went back through his ISO at my computer (I've been on my phone the past bit). You talking about 2943?

Even still, though, why wouldn't he say that he was compressed just now? Say that he got the compressed notification?

[Starbuck]

I have been reading but I'm not going to assume what you meant either. Don't be a jerk. Be clear about your intentions and what happened.

[Starbuck]

I've been active this whole game and I had to work Friday evening and yesterday on the food truck, dude. Sometimes IRL (and making sure my bills are paid) comes before checking in on a game that I've been consistently active in.

All you had to do was be transparent and you weren't. Don't turn your inadequacy around me.

[Starbuck]

Hmm. Sucks I used the global roleblock so early then. My bad.

how does starbuck know it was global, again?

BECAUSE I'M READING THE GAME

Bambi what does your role have to deal with wanting to not be active?

Well since I got atleast tonight having 3 things happen, I'll say stuff.

I'm making stuff happen the longer I'm alive. I'm appearantly Tosin Abasi, a guy good enough to Baker to literally get the role of Guitar God. Me praising Bobby Flay like a deity was me ironically going with the name.

I have a selection of names of abilities that I pick from that effect the game.

Night one I did an ability called

Reverb

and night two was something called

Compressor

. If someone had something strange happen to them I'm probably the cause. I legit don't know the results, just the names.

Basically the longer I'm alive the more stuff happens to the game. So therefore I wanted to be quiet 2 nights to get at least 3 effects off. I can go up to night 8 actually since I got 8 of these things. They're all named after guitar pedals/effects.

Well I have something called Killswitch that may either kill a predetermined player or myself on hand. But honestly if I had to guess it may be 6 of them are good for town and 2 are bad?

It's a Global thing

so I'm not sure of the ratio. It's probably bad for SOMEONE and good for someone else.

[Starbuck]

I didn't realize "huge" was that big. I just meant to emphasize, lol.

[Starbuck]

food truck

what kind of food?

German. Everything on the truck is her recipe, even down to the sausages.

My friend is from Berlin and owns it. I met her because I was stationed in Sicily and had gone a trip to Germany where I had Currywurst from a street vendor right around the corner from the Reichstag. When I saw her truck at one of our local breweries, I told her that story and was excited to have her Currywurst. To this day, she reminds me that her Currywurst is better and it was the first thing that I had off of her truck.

I had to pick up a 2nd job because my main gig (while paying me a liveable wage) cut my hours below 20.

Anyways, back to the game at hand.

[Starbuck]

CHK! Now that you're here, what are your thoughts regarding TD? Also, what about this new revelation that rudeboy is now conveniently voting NPOM while still pushing policy?

[Starbuck]

Rude, are you voting NPOM more out of annoyance or because you actually scumread him? Because if it's on par with annoyance, it's just equivalent to your policy pushes anyways and I implore you to take some real looks at people that don't annoy you who could actually be scum.

[Starbuck]

On a side note, there's much to be said for how much Tiphaine overreacted with my one vote on him yesterday and how much pisskop overreacted to my one vote on him just recently.

There's something there and I don't think either are bad options for today, neither is rudeboy (barring him coming from a logical standpoint of scumhunting rather than eliminating due to policy).

[Starbuck]

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

Can't remember if I swapped back, but if I have to pick a scummiest, I'm going here.

[Starbuck]

Rude, are you voting NPOM more out of annoyance or because you actually scumread him? Because if it's on par with annoyance, it's just equivalent to your policy pushes anyways and I implore you to take some real looks at people that don't annoy you who could actually be scum.

Mostly policy, partially annoyance, slightly non-town.

So continuing your MO.


TD or rude are best options for today then, friends. Pick your train and let's head to the station.

[Starbuck]

There are so many good scum candidates(TD, Drew, Rude, Pisskop, DGB)

Why pisskop?

Probably NPOM sensed a wagon growing on PK and wants it to grow to save themselves.

Sensed a wagon? Over my one vote?

[Starbuck]

We shouldn't be getting rid of NPOM. This wagon is awful.

[Starbuck]

I know he's been busy, but I'd like to know where dave's head is at.

[Starbuck]

Our deadline isn't for just under 9 days. Why are you giving up so easily? This lack of fight back is concerning.

Don't point folks to other directions when you can clearly lay out a case right now.

[Starbuck]

Y'all were a buncha chatty cathy's on the overnight! I dig it!

Placeholder with this and I'll be back.

[Starbuck]

DGB, I have a question. I'm still working through reading back the past few pages but this just popped in my head. I remember you being a lot more aggressive as town in the past (meaning like over the course of my time on the site). You seem quite laid back here. Is that just your evolution as a player from then to now? Or has your playstyle changed?

[Starbuck]

Real life stuff taking a front seat. Sorry for the prodge friends, but glad to see that there's no stall in conversation.

[Starbuck]

Super Mega Read/Catch Up Thing --- Go. Starting around Page 132 to bottom of 138.

Giving Walt!slot the axe brings stress off the moderator and shores up issues in regards to (If town) cohesion overall. This isn't a bad play.

Yes, this is a policy lynch on D3.

It's absolutely necessary.

I needed a reminder of where the push for the Assemble wagon started. I saw his vote, but wanted to quote the reasoning.

Drew, I appreciate all the push back that I'm seeing from you after this and through Page 134.

The wagon reeks of opportunism when I see votes from Bambi, Pooky, and then NPOM (really dude?).

And I am very much against the assembler elim atm

Walter also genuinely tried to solve things

Finally, someone reasonable.

He did! I'm glad that I'm not the only one who caught this.

The scum could have been drummers, roadies, fans...

Ahh, nope, this isn't true.

From the sign up thread:

This is the first of a five game series I am starting. They will all be based on a different part of the typical band: guitarists, bassists, drummers, vocalists, and producers/engineers.
Now, I'm not necessarily going to do them back to back, other games might come up in between, but I have planned a grand finale for this series of games. Although, it is going to stay open since we never know what may happen during them.
Guitarists are first up on the ballot! I have selected 21 guitarists that have made an impact in my life through one way or another. Could be from inspiration and/or enjoyment. Every role will have the flavor of one of these individuals.

I see A50 already hit this correction.

DGB is looking increasingly scummy. Looking at her iso it looks like she talks to the whole player base at large rather than specific people and is not game solving.

Can you give examples of the lack of game solving? Additionally, talking to the whole player base vice specific people is rather NAI. Can you show me how the two connect for you in your recently new read of scumDGB?

In addition, her response to me in 3433 feels genuine. I have been wrong in the past and I'm still tossing A50's 3441 observations around in my head, but I'm not sure if she's the tree that we should be barking at as the townDGB that I'm used to just came out in 3444.



Lastly, I appreciate Gamma's 3442 with the listing of Lavender games. Here's my reminder to myself to go back to it when I get a chance.

[Starbuck]

Page 139 to 142

@DGB When's the last time you were wagoned without a result?

1983

I just busted out laughing.



@Lavender - you only ever come in the game in regards to post about you and you're putting forth no effort to solve. Let alone effort to be here. That's my issue with your slot. You're still in the null pile for me because you aren't putting forth effort. This can come from town or scum, but it would be appreciated if you actually contributed rather than taking up space in the game. The Activity Overview has you with less posts that Looker, Princess Leia, Titus, IKS, and Walter. I'm firmly against policy, but I don't necessarily think a shred on you would be policy anymore given your beetlejuicing and active lurking.

Basically, I think Gamma has a point all through page 140.

Galron hasn't been active at all this phase and that post just means they're also not reading. I feel like people should care about that.

That's blatantly untrue.

I don't practice wifom.

I'm still not all that convinced that the guy who did a universal roleblock that didn't stop the faction NK is town.

Your attention to detail is normally better than this. From the thinking scum aren't guitarists and now, not noticing that there wasn't an NK? Are you faking this? Hrm.

[Starbuck]

Page 143 to 148

Even after all the previous conversations, rude and dave both vote the Assemble/Walter slot after the mod's vote count on 143. I'm not surprised by rude's vote, but dave's. Anyone on a ghost wagon is suspect.

^I really don't get how absolutely ANYONE can see this slot as town anymore^

That's funny. I don't get how anyone can see your slot as town either.

NPOM will board any wagon, even if it doesn't stop at his station.

Ain't that the god damn truth.


Oh look, Grendel just got here and he has more input than Lavender. And his 3697 about TD vibes with me a ton.

[Starbuck]

like im assuming when Gamma said "help"

he means like explain the rules and shit.

not like I got your back and will support you to win the game regardless of your alignment.

SAME.

ok there's like nothing fishy about inviting a friend to replace into a game that's dragging and needs a replacement...

+1


@Gamma - I don't think you did anything wrong and you've been more than forthcoming.

[Starbuck]

Anyone defending Walter slot is extremely suspicious to me.

Anyone voting a slot that can't (at the time) defend themselves is scummy to me. So maybe we're at an impasse.

[Starbuck]

The amount of discussion over Grendel's replacement in, makes me think one of BEF/NPOM is scum.

You're getting that feeling, too? Huh. There was a previous overall game-centered conversation that NPOM got a bit over the top about that this conversation reminded me of. I just can't recall the subject matter right now.

[Starbuck]

TD is just OMGUSing me at this point. It's laughable.

[Starbuck]

That's mean.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck (Probably town,

attacked me for totally valid reasons. I was not being particularly coherent.

Going to mark down the gut-scum I had on them earlier though so I don't forget.)

[Starbuck]

I hate to be this person, but I spent all day on the food truck and Imma read tomorrow morning when I get up.

[Starbuck]

Ha, welcome to my world.

[Starbuck]

JFC, these past few days. However, if the plus of me having IRL shit going on is that Lav is participating, I'm glad to have 5 bazillion pages to read.

[Starbuck]

I'm about a billion pages behind. I had an explosion of IRL stuff, but I'm here.....kinda.....I guess. I'm also glad to have some stuff to read because I hope my absence gave some space for others to speak.

Anyways, reading through starting way back around page 152 to the bottom of 160.

Really glad to see the engagement from Grendel.

Star- Was it back around 629, where NPOM had dropped a read about A50 based on a current game, and then we talked about modkilling, and he used us trying to get him modkilled as a way to SR? This discussion lasted all the way to post 810 or so by the way.

Yeah, I think it was the modkill discussion that was reminding me of it. Just let the mod do their job.

Well, that was very weird. I looked through TD's ISO and specifically tracked the Starbuck progression, and it's basically not a progression. It resembles a garden hose with a high pressure nozzle, on full blast, and not being held down. I honestly don't know what to think about that.

Pedit: He's quite honest about it too. Still don't know what to think about it.

hE cHaNgEs HiS mInD a LoT oR sOmEtHiNg. No, he's a freight train barreling through the tunnel.

Reading through Leia Im honestly having a hard time distinishing her real pushes from her jokes.

I thought her entire presence in the game was a joke, so you're in a better place than I was.

My vote for Lavender is a combination of her lurking, beetlejuicing, prodging, and promising content without delivering (with one notable exception). Are these scum-tells? Not in themselves

In my book, they are scum tells.

+1.

Not to mention DGB self voted and missed the NK. Seems like she's counting on help from her scummates.

I don’t think she really needs that sort of help, she’s a seasoned veteran of mafia

+1


This back and forth between BEF and dave on 158 feels very mountain out of a molehill from dave. I'm still feeling TvT after that, though.


Iec's 3976 is similar to how I've been feeling regarding DGB. He laid it out perfectly. I remember lots of antagonizing and engagement when she's town from games back in my heyday (my join date till like 2014 time frame). It's also interesting that Iec quoted her response (3978) to my question about her game play around this topic. I'm curious to see her retaliation to this dastardly attempt.

3. Chkflip and pooky are connected somehow. I haven't seen them try to solve each other.

I've been feeling something there, too, and have been meaning to bring it up. I appreciate Chk's quick response to it in 3997. Feels real.

[Starbuck]

Top of 161 to Bottom of 168

Digging DGB's Iec case all through this page. Looking at the analysis of Iec's read on me makes me feel like I've been buddy-ed and I'm a not as confident on a town!Iec as I thought. However, I think Iec has good points in regards to DGB, too. One of DGB/Iec might be scum or they are doing a helluva performance of distancing.

I think the easiest solution is if in everybody's next post we out a pool of up to three players we are willing to flip, and then place a vote on one of them.

At this point, I could do a TD or rude shred.

Lavender has been more coherent, but the active lurking is what's getting me now. She's paying attention, hence the Beetlejuicing, but choosing not to engage.

In B4 npom votes iecerint.

TD's OMGUS of Grendel in 4030 shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.


While I think the Iec wagon is worthwhile, the quick hops onto it, on page 162, by rude and BEF feel opportunistic and NPOM's 4048 with his inclination of DGB!scum is curious.

The only wagons I would join at this point are DGB, TD, and Drew. So stop being rediculous.

Why?

I actually like DGB's case more, and I don't disagree with "wanting to have time on a computer" by itself. The timing of when she had time is what's fishy.

Are you really questioning the convenience of when she could find IRL time on a computer? That's NAI and WIFOM AF.

@Galron, Starbuck, pisskop: thoughts on the Iecerint wagon?

I've commented on it during my read, but if you have a specific question, let me know.

I didn't like how dave came off the last three pages.

Yeah, I'm feeling similarly.

Wild concept, I'm aware, but like... how do most players have twice your post count? You, Iec, Galron, and ESPECIALLY Lavender... that's four too many lurkfucks in a game this size.

+ motherfucking 1


And then here comes Iec with 4136, which I think is a pretty solid defense. Not caring for dave's dismissive vote right after.

the amount of scare caps in that iec post is actually annoying

I use caps to emphasize, not scare. I'm not liking your dismissiveness here either.


OOOOOH, CHK'S UNVOTE IN 4144 IS SO TOWN IT FUCKING HURTS.

And suddenly HERE'S LAAAAAAAAAVENDER.

Do you think gender bias is in play here?

The fuck is this?

[Starbuck]

Top of 169 to Bottom of 171......gotta run about for a bit.

Why would you vig someone you are Town reading

I want people to love me.

SHe's basically saying I'm scum but I'll do what you want if you keep me alive

She's saying it will be a pain in the ass to have you around during SHLO.

Why are ya believing a JOAT claim that says they're doing the same action twice? I understand 1, but 2?

Also you forget that this is day 3. Goofball as a legit JOAT doesn't just out a second Vig shot attempt. What did she do N1?

Something something.....global action fucking things up.....something something

[Starbuck]

Nominating Galron for Game MVP