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Leia is town. I am weirded out at people complaining about RVS when RVS ended on page 4. In particular, NPOM's "RVS is evil" comment is dissonant with his having already posted reads. Additionally, I think the post is defensive about being voted + trying to blend in as a response to that, which I think are scummy reactions to scrutiny.
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I saw their early posts as evidence of scumhunting. It seemed like they were making saliently bad but superficially well-reasoned cases. My guess is that town would be more likely to notice that the cases were bad, because town are more motivated to actually evaluate if someone is scumhunting. This pattern kinda faded away as we got farther from their first posts, though.In post 225, TiphaineDeath wrote:I don't think anything they [Leia] have done is alignment indicative.- Iecerint
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Kinda surprised by this because IIRC IKS softly endorsed one of Leia's such posts ala above.In post 226, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:i cc raving lunatic- Iecerint
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Goes along with Leia voting in favor of the NAI view of Leia's slot.In post 245, Princess Leia wrote:Dripping Goofball makes a lot of sense to me, I think that's worth a sheep.
VOTE: Princess Leia
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I am curious about what was going through Titus's mind at the time of this vote.
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I do not understand all the TiphaineDeath votes on page 16.- Iecerint
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I think Leia is scummy as of this point in my readthrough because I think she switched from legitimate (albeit unconventional) scumhunting early on to zany, distracting behavior after people starting saying "she's so zany it is NAI." In other words, rather than being a "random" change, it seemed like people making that interpretation led to a change in her behavior. I interpret the change as based on self-preservation at the cost of scumhunting => scummy.In post 442, Galron wrote:339 is satire. Some of youse are scum reading Leia for having fun and some others of y'all are scum reading TD for something nai.
But, I think I am maybe alone in thinking her behavior ever changed, or at least I don't see that anyone else commented on it. It occurred to me at the same time that Titus voted Leia, but Titus said the vote was for other reasons (e.g., a response to the zaniness itself) and has repeated this a few times, so. I had wondered if she had picked up on the change from before a few posts ago, but I think she's already attended to it enough times in-thread.- Iecerint
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I think Leia is scummy as of this point in my readthrough because I think she switched from legitimate (albeit unconventional) scumhunting early on to zany, distracting behavior after people starting saying "she's so zany it is NAI." In other words, rather than being a "random" change, it seemed like people making that interpretation led to a change in her behavior. I interpret the change as based on self-preservation at the cost of scumhunting => scummy.In post 442, Galron wrote:339 is satire. Some of youse are scum reading Leia for having fun and some others of y'all are scum reading TD for something nai.
But, I think I am maybe alone in thinking her behavior ever changed, or at least I don't see that anyone else commented on it. It occurred to me at the same time that Titus voted Leia, but Titus said the vote was for other reasons (e.g., a response to the zaniness itself) and has repeated this a few times, so. I had wondered if she had picked up on the change from before a few posts ago, but I think she's already attended to it enough times in-thread.- Iecerint
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1. His #292 doesn't match "I'm outguessing the mod."In post 508, a2rudeboy wrote:I think NPOM (and to an extent TPhaine) are both playing emotionally reactive games after being prodded by Leia/Pooky.
My own suspicions for not thinking NPOM is scum, relate to the flavour of my role, and his desire to pretty much be killed regardless. Also, look at #292.
I have a hunch about the game mechanics, based on my role and flavor. The question I have asked of NPOM, T, and Looker are directly related to trying to figure if my assumption is correct or not.
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In post 544, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:I think there is not prerequisite for entering this game.- Iecerint
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Lavender, this post shows that you are reading the game.In post 552, Lavender wrote:I have hacked the system °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°
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@Pisskop, what made you change your mind about Leia/TD?- Iecerint
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Specifically, I remember thinking that Leia's post 76 was scumhunting disguised as "joke" scumhunting.In post 689, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:Iecerint, can you show me where you think that Leila were scum hunting.- Iecerint
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I would be interested to hear your perspective at this point. She ended up saying more about it multiple times later in the thread, so it's not as useful for her to explain it herself (i.e., I have a lower suspicion that she would give new information because she has already said a lot about it).In post 691, davesaz wrote:
During my speed reading of Titus I didn't have any trouble figuring out what it meant.In post 688, Iecerint wrote:I am curious about what was going through Titus's mind at the time of this vote.
Do you want the outsider's view or wait for her to explain it herself? Or perhaps you can read some context clues.
Tbh I'm less interested in this bit atm. I think I might have had an idiosyncratic experience of Leia's early posts that I overvalued and projected. But, that's what my mind was doing at the time.- Iecerint
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To the best of my understanding, Lavender isn't an alt, but rather is actually a newer player. My hypothesis is that she might be personal friends with Baker outside the site.In post 703, davesaz wrote:Drawing a blank on who it is I've seen use those elaborate ascii art / extended emoji / whatever you call 'em.- Iecerint
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TOWN
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Doctor Drew
Pooky
a2rudeboy aka Hypnotoad
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Gamma
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Starbuck
Princess Leia/REPLACEMENT
Lavender
Nono
Looker
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Bambi
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Oh, he's Leia.
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Is that addressed to me? I don't think he's scummy. I think he's townie. When I realized he was Leia's slot, I moved the slot up 6 levels.
I think he's townie because I think he is approaching the game like someone who wants to solve it.- Iecerint
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I'm happy to answer specific questions you have. You can see my thoughts from the posts I made as I caught up with the game.In post 723, Gamma Emerald wrote:
uhhhhIn post 709, Iecerint wrote:TOWN
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1. I copy-pasted the list from page 1In post 725, Galron wrote: I don't get the Looker read with so little content. Actually, without some explanations, this entire list looks fishy. Someone made a point of saying how can you have reads on 20 players. I subscribe to that. I'll ask what's your process here?
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2. I went through each player and divided them into TOWN NULL SCUM WHO? lists
3. I read the iso of everyone in WHO and tried to put them into TOWN or SCUM.
4. I read the iso of everyone in NULL and tried to put them in TOWN or SCUM.
5. I re-ordered all players within each category from town to scum. So, after this, the entire list is ordinal.
6. I posted the result.
Looker was NULL and then placed into SCUM in step 4. I placed him there because he posts and does not scumhunt. IIRC he's close to the null side of the SCUM section. He does have a post where he says something like "people are bored I think" (one of his last ones) which felt vaguely town, which accounts for the weaker read (not to mention that there's not much content, as you say).
I think most of the rationale for my reads should be pretty clear from reading my catch-up posts (with exceptions for a few players like Looker).- Iecerint
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Uh. So he CAN be shredded, even via your /outguess?In post 864, a2rudeboy wrote:At this point- the only way i can see NPOM getting taken out is lynch or Vig.- Iecerint
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This is really distracting. You're being really vague, but I do not understand why you are being vague. Then it makes me want to be really roundabout about it, because I infer you're being vague for a reason. But if I read into your posts correctly, it seems like there's no reason to be vague about this.- Iecerint
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Let me just put it this way.
ASSUMPTION: Even in bastard games, the fundamental structure of mafia is present (e.g., uninformed majority vs informed minority, and the day-execution is the main tool to manage the informed minority).
1A. I really really don't think a mod would put a jester into a large theme. It has too high a risk of ending the game before N1, which is contrary to the mod's goal when making a large game (which is to have a longer game with more players).
1B. If there IS a jester in a large game, let's shred the jester so that the mod can learn their lesson.
2A. Phantom Saul/Judas /outguess should not preclude shredding scummy players
2B. If players (like Rudeboy, in my psychic reality -- though maybe it was not his intent) DO propose phantom Saul/Judas set-up /outguess, it's probably because they infer they are in a Saul/Judas dyad. In that case, either they are town (and then they SHOULD want us to shred the other one, so they're hedging their bets and shouldn't be taken seriously), or they are scum (and shouldn't be taken seriously).
3. Scum are not unlimited-shot shredproof (cf., Assumption above). So, if NPOM is shredproof, it's worth shredding him if he's scum, because he's N-shot shredproof.
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Galron: I townread him for his 339. This was his "people are attacking Leia and TD for NAI" post. He was the only one saying that kind of thing at the time.In post 927, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:@they may have thrown
why are following players in your list on positions they are in?
Galron, Pisskop, Walter, DGB, NPOM, iecerint, starbucks.
Pisskop: I actually scumread him on his initial replace-in, but I didn't trust my scumread because I townread him (when he was scum) in our last game we played together (Baker's last game, now completed). His play in this game IS different from that game, so I wondered if I needed to turn my readhead upside-down. Then, I realized that the difference was mostly caused by his having replaced in, and I wondered if I needed to have my readhead put back. When I read his replace-in posts a couple more times (during my initial readthrough I paused and read his catch-up a couple of times), I eventually decided he was town. IIRC at first I was puzzled by a dissonant read he listed, which led to a scumread, but I was able to figure it out when I read it a second or third time. So, this one had a lot of back-and-forth mostly based on his replace-in posts. Overall, he has seemed like he wants to solve the game.
Walter: Went into my NULL pile originally and then re-sorted to scum when I read his iso and realized that (at that time) he had posted no content whatsoever while also having a fair number of posts. This differentiated him from someone like Lavender. He went lower on the list than Looker because Looker had a handful of townie-seeming posts in his iso.
DGB: I usually have a really strong townread on DGB when she is town. I don't have a really strong townread on DGB. I put her directly into scum without having to sort her from NULL. Also, I am surprised that she has totally ignored NPOM, because I would expect her to really focus on the whole "set-up outguessing" premise that Rudeboy mentioned, since she usually crusades against this kind of thing (e.g., the same Baker game that was just completed -- in that game, it was about "oh maybe this 3p will be townie" that she crusaded against, but it's a similar overprivileging of /outguess over scumhunting). But, it's more the former than the latter, because I think that associative tells are usually not helpful D1.
NPOM: This should be obvious; most of my iso is about NPOM. He made multiple early scumtells and his posts since then have been either brazenly without scumhunting, or fake scumhunting (e.g., posting a readslist that lists Leia when at that point Dave had replaced in and been active for awhile). [INB4 He posts pointing out that I did the same thing in my reads post but.] The main case for not shredding him is that Rudeboy says he's *possibly* a phantom jester (or some other shred-shenanigans role).
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Starbuck: I just think she's town. Prolly because she saw the thread the same way as me for a lot of the game I think. Townread has gotten stronger from content since I posted my readslist.- Iecerint
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I kinda had a weak town gutread on you while reading the thread, but nothing worth commenting on. Then people started calling you scum around the time of the end of my readthrough. So I put you in NULL because I wanted to read your iso before I made a decision. When I read your iso, it did seem like you were active but not scumhunting (similar to what some people were alluding to). I think I had been weakly townreading you because your style is pretty light/breezy. So then I put you in scum. Your noise/signal ratio was unusually high, so I put you lower on the list. I've never played with you haven't meta'd you yet.In post 938, Bambi Jay wrote:I want lecerint to psycho analysis me too.- Iecerint
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What do you mean by "odd"? How is "extended commentary," either in general or as reflected in my post, related to "oddness"?In post 940, Galron wrote:I think [Iecerint's] answer in 931 was odd in that [Iecerint] had extended commentary for each one of [IKS's] selected players.- Iecerint
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1. That's not the intuitive meaning of "odd."In post 950, Galron wrote:
Having deep reads on 19 players just a few days into a 20-player large is extraordinary. For IKS to seemingly pick seven random players, and you able to come up with extended reads a little more than an hour later on all seven is, well, unusual. Now, one of the players was yourself, so it wasn't really extended reads on seven players, and IKS has since, coincidentally, also addressed my question (in 927 -- explaining how he came up with the list of players), but you have come up with an extended read of Bambi since. I find the whole effort commendable. I'm curious as to why you didn't just put those reads into your list to begin with?In post 948, Iecerint wrote:
What do you mean by "odd"? How is "extended commentary," either in general or as reflected in my post, related to "oddness"?In post 940, Galron wrote:I think [Iecerint's] answer in 931 was odd in that [Iecerint] had extended commentary for each one of [IKS's] selected players.
2. Thanks I guess.
3A. Way too many words (especially in a post where the intention is to summarize the effect of my catch-up). No one would read that shit.
3B. I actually did briefly work on a post that had explanations within a spoiler'd button, but decided against it after I'd done 1-2 people in an extended way like that, because I realized that no one was going to read that shit.
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I dunno what "deep reads" means, though. Like, my list is ordinal. The top is most town, the bottom is least town. The town folks near the NULL section are progressively weaker townreads.- Iecerint
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I mean, it seems like he's claiming that it wasn't a push at all? I'm waiting for him to say more.- Iecerint
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Wait, are you an alt, or did you just watch/read the last game?In post 881, Bambi Jay wrote:Well if they were in last game I'm guessing they're waiting until Goofball bites the dust. Or they aren't gonna pull an Alch and make their wincon unwinnable by revealing too early.- Iecerint
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Do they always play in these respective ways? Have you played with them under both accounts?- Iecerint
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Bambi Jay identity is mostly scum in completed large games from what I can tell, so it's hard to do a decent meta dive. Play as Near (looks like Town, the one example I found) in DeathNote shows high engagement and lots of participation in set-up speculation, but that's probably caused by being Near in DeathNote. As scum they tend to start kinda like this (though they're a little breezier than is typical in this game I think) and shift more into Elsa-posting/split object relations near endgame.
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@Mod, please update OP with replacements when you're set.- Iecerint
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It makes sense in hindsight, but did not occur to me until it was pointed out to me. I had read the thread assuming you were not related to Elsa in any way.
I think you did allude to a non-alt account during the last Baker game (as Elsa, in the context of my asking if it was an alt account with a deliberately abrasive style), but I don't remember what you said that account was named, and I still can't remember specifically whether Bambi was that account, or if it was a third account.- Iecerint
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What is the meaning of your inaction?In post 978, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:It is accurate on the lack of action. Not the scum part though.- Iecerint
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Titus, have you played with A50 previously?- Iecerint
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I think A50 is very different here relative to in Redneck Mafia, where he was a traitor. It's related to my townread on A50. Since Titus alluded to coming back to the site recently, I thought she might not have experience with A50. But, it sounds like she has more experience than I do.In post 1002, chkflip wrote:They've played more than once with me in the playerlist, why?- Iecerint
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Rudeboy has vaguely implied that we "don't want to," while also it's not because NPOM is town. He's said this is based on inference from the flavor.In post 1008, chkflip wrote:Elaborate [on DD's idea that NPOM is scummy but should not be lynched].- Iecerint
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IIRC it was more like "Your [sic] annoying vote: TD" than like a case and happened right when people started to call Leia a troll (so it looked to me like Leia was playing into what people were saying about her at that point), but for some reason it led half the active players to vote TD. Part of it was that TD was like "I will try to scumhunt in this game" and then everyone was like "lol vote: TD." This was in the mid-teens.In post 1017, chkflip wrote:Also, can you quote the Death case for me? I didn't catch it when I skimmed through and it's too late for me to try to find it again. I need to crash.- Iecerint
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In post 358, Princess Leia wrote:
This looks like you spelled Galron's name wrong intentionally which would in theory make us think you and Galron are less likely to be scum together, but in this case I don't see how you honestly make that spelling error.In post 349, TiphaineDeath wrote:My last post was @starbuck galrond.
This is very possibly failed distancing and a Tiphaine + Galron team.In post 362, Princess Leia wrote:VOTE: Tiphaine
I had a feeling he would omgus. I'm finally onto something solid!!In post 363, TiphaineDeath wrote:I am actually also 100% ok with me dying so I don't have to listen to either of those two anymore xD.- Iecerint
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More case than I remembered I guess. But, in context it is not intended to be taken seriously, and in context TD is annoyed because he has been trying to actually scumhunt.- Iecerint
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IIRC Titus made a post where she was upset that someone meta'd her "just after I came back, so of course it was different, that's just the way it goes" or something like that. That's what led me to think that.- Iecerint
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Yeah, I was thinking of your post. Oop.In post 997, Starbuck wrote:Weakest Link isn't my only town game since I've been back and frankly, I'm not sure why my first game back on site (after like 3 or 4 years) is the one you're going to anyways if you're going to meta. I was getting back used to things, so of course, now that I've been back about 4 months, it's not going to be similar. That's just how it goes.- Iecerint
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RudeboyTown does not entail RudeboyCorrect.In post 1040, Doctor Drew wrote:I feel like rudeboy has some insider info that we should trust since I don't believe scum would stick their neck out for a buddy so directly.- Iecerint
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In post 1213, davesaz wrote:I watched that catchup in real time and noticed that he was head down on the catchup and failing to notice my replies on material later than the catchup point. That implies a much higher degree of attention being spent than a quick read.
Is his assessment of your catch-up accurate?In post 1216, chkflip wrote:Titus is town. Unsure of davesaz.- Iecerint
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Then why do you join them?In post 1188, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:Most of the wagons have been abs shite.- Iecerint
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1. This has been explained in like half my iso.In post 1163, chkflip wrote: NoPowerOverMe (1): Iecerint
These all need explaining or movement as well.
2. My reads are mostly unchanged since page ~30. My #2 is probably Walter right now, based on his facile approach to the IKS wagon, and NPOM's attitude toward IKS. IKS meta could have a big effect on this.- Iecerint
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Oh. OK, nvm, that makes more sense.In post 1232, davesaz wrote:
I'm talking about your catchup.In post 1229, Iecerint wrote:In post 1213, davesaz wrote:I watched that catchup in real time and noticed that he was head down on the catchup and failing to notice my replies on material later than the catchup point. That implies a much higher degree of attention being spent than a quick read.
Is his assessment of your catch-up accurate?In post 1216, chkflip wrote:Titus is town. Unsure of davesaz.- Iecerint
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TRing?In post 1240, NoPowerOverMe wrote:And iceprint is TRing him?- Iecerint
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Is this you signaling that you are trying to evaluate his meta?In post 1234, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Does IKS just roll scum every game?
If so, what did you find when you did so?- Iecerint
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IKS has no completed games. That was fast. <_<- Iecerint
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Eh. I'm conflicted about him. I think his pattern of engaging with the game has included testing motivations, which I think is a towntell. He has also made posts that (I perceive as) being motivated to reduce noise, which is another towntell. On the other hand, when he does the former, my sense is that he's mainly focused on whether he gets buy-in from everyone, rather than whether the finding affects his reads. For example, when he cast vague suspicion on me, but then people pointed out that his premise was bogus, he simply dropped it, but he did not engage with people who pointed out that his premise was bogus or revisit this. I think the pattern of thinking about motivations feels town, but how it ends up playing out feels kinda scummy.
This kind of pattern is one that can usually allow alignment to be discerned later in the game, because the pattern of engagement and following-up is modified by associative information if the player is scum. So, between being conflicted about Galron and feeling confident his playstyle will betray him if he's scum, I don't think he's the best shred today.
By contrast, your playstyle and IKS's playstyle doesn't lend itself to "self-correction" in this way. Of the two of you, I think you are more likely to be scum, based on meta+scumtells+how players have responded to both of you.
Right now I think I want to shred in NPOM/IKS/Walter. Players who I think might be scum but I don't particularly want to shred include Galron/DGB/Lavender/Bambi. This is based on the above for Galron, and based on affection for the others.- Iecerint
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[Him in the quoted NPOM post above = Galron]- Iecerint
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Read the paragraph that starts "I'm conflicted about him" to get the answer to your question. Or, ask a more specific question if part of it isn't clear to you.In post 1265, NoPowerOverMe wrote:How did you go from townreading him to being conflicted?
Rudeboy doesn't figure into it. I'm aware that Rudeboy has said that his only votes for today will be Galron or one other player (I forgot who), but I didn't otherwise have a sense of his thoughts. I looked at it in response to your question. I think it's facile. Someone else posted something else that I think is also kinda facile, can't remember who.In post 1266, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Or is it just because rude posted a case?
Starbuck has posted some stuff about Galron that jives with my POV.- Iecerint
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Huh? I'm reading this as about your posts about finding my reads "interesting"/"incredible." Are you talking about that, or something else?In post 1289, Galron wrote:my push on Iecerint, which was just as much a push on IKS as it was on Iecerint - Iecerint
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