Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

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VOTE: Nono

Hi.

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Guitarists are wankers.

I think guitarists are berry good.

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VOTE: BambiJay

I want out of RVS.

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Post# 149, 154, and 156 are pretty scum indicative for me, and my paranoia still wants me to believe he slipped earlier xD.

Slipped how?

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I don't feel 149 is a scumslip.

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Not that one, his first post, and I admit that I'm probably wrong about that, but his play since has been crap-tastic. Not that one would really notice with all the raving ridiculousness that is going on this game.....

I see what you mean but there's several possibilites besides scum. Moderator communications should not be used like this IMO.

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VOTE: Leia

I am done with the self importance.

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I'm not sure why NPOM opened with saying that he didn't get one. I voted because I knew I got a Game Start PM. Others voted because they also got it. If you say you didn't get one, and you let that slip in the Game Thread, I'm not going to ignore that because I know it to be a lie. So it means one of two things, (1) his attention to detail in his PM box is shit or (2) he never got a Game Start PM because he was already in a PT (scum or otherwise).

While the above is correct, there's also (3) the mod left NPOM out of the PM accidentally, and (4) he's in a special category of town that didn't get it.

I'm not ignoring NPOM possibly being scum, but we need it by play.

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VOTE: Leia

I am done with the self importance.

Titus calling me important looks like pocketing to me. It's also weird that she votes me at the same time of saying that.

VOTE: Titus

I didn't call you important. I called you arrogant. Self importance is another way of saying bragging.

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Drew and Pookie are town. Pretty obvious but I wanted it said anyway.

I don't see where Death is being anti-town here at all.

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He's either scum or taking away from scumhunting.

No he's not. He's being vilified for nothing. His response is natural for that and NAI.

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Of the 3 top wagons; I don't see why Tiph is a thing. I am not sure about NOPM myself, but I will trust rudeboy on that one until further notice. I don't find Leia scummy per se, but the lack of anything resembling scumhunting is starting to give me pause.

In short, if I were to commit right now (i.e. if we didn't have 10 days still) I would have voted Leia, but -as it stands- we do have the time and I need to decide on more than 10 slots still. The only slot I explicitly TR is rudeboy, but I have a few town leans too that it would be good to strengthen them before I commit.

If you are so apathetic towards the major wagons, why not start one of your own? We have ten days on D1. We aren't wedded to these options.

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UNVOTE: unvote dr.

just because it is still a RvS / joke vote.

i still don't have scum reads on any of the three wagons, although i suppose i'd have to NPOM if choosing one of the three, just for the flip.

still think scum is in the lurkers more than any of the fully active. but again, i think that may be an active scumsplit ploy. be looking forward to scumthread when this is all said and done.

This feels like scum who doesn't want to piss off active towns. There very well could be active scums in the game. There's no real reason to advocate scum in the lurkers yet.

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Wagons give me shiny wagons. Thou must bow before the Gods of VCA.

*bows to the last VC*

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A50 is town based on ongoing games. IKS as well.

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Ok, like, Flake has def not been super-towny this game, but maaaan am I not loving how quickly all these wagons keep forming.

This post makes you def not super-towny regardless of Flake's flip.

Why? I can see fast wagons being protown or proscum. TD just seems to be stating an opinion.

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Let's not discuss this any further.

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Let's talk about how bad the IKS wagon is.

Why is it bad?

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Cause the reasoning is weak.

It's day one. Potatoes have more reasoning than wagons do.

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So we should just randomly wagon?

That's what Day 1 is. People dress it up but yeah. Day 1 at best is more about finding a town core.

Mathmatically, random is better but deliberately being random is not fun.

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For example we have the band and the rude coalition so far. Not random.

True, but that data isn't useful until day 3 or so. Now it's just cliques randomly lynching.

When subs were more rare, I would sub in on day 2 plus just to have data to work with.

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Pgo is not normal btw.

This is theme park and bastard.

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Pgo is not normal btw.

This is theme park and bastard.

Hmm, did I miss a warning about bastard? It's harder to see that when replacing in but suppose I'll do some background to be sure.

Signups. Baker level bastard.

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I'll be back Sunday. I may pop in tomorrow but don't expect it.

X post all games.

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VOTE: NPOM Yeah, sorry rudeboi, I'm no longer sufficiently impressed by your "information," to continue to allow this to live.

VOTE: TD

This vote is garbage.

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VC please

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Because the conversation can be had in jest.

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Ok. I claim 3p. I win if everyone laughs in thread or PMs the mod they had a Berry good time.

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Needs to be an actual laugh because of something funny. We all have a good time. That's my wincondition.

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Starbuck, are you scum? You feel funny. You're sheeping a patently bad argument by Pookie. You should know this.

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I think the question should be posed to you, though. Are you scum, Titus?

No. I am 3p with a goal for everyone to have fun remember?

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This game feels static. I might have to do something.

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Well if they were in last game I'm guessing they're waiting until Goofball bites the dust. Or they aren't gonna pull an Alch and make their wincon unwinnable by revealing too early.

Wait, are you an alt, or did you just watch/read the last game?

Bambi Jay and Elsa Jay are the same person.

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Galron - Weak town, worried by his Iec push.
2. Gamma Emerald - Town
3. DrippingGoofball - Town
4. PookyTheMagicalBear - Town
5. Titus - Fun Spreader
6. Lavender - Who? Scum by PoE
7. Bambi Jay - weak town
8. TiphaineDeath - weak scum
9. WaltertheDunce10 - scum by lack of action
10. BrightEyedFish - Town
11. NoPowerOverMe - Moderate town
12. Almost50 - Where is he? NAI for him. Null
13. pisskop Papa Zito - Null, giving a chance to redeem
14. Looker - Would lynch
15. Iecerint - Town
16. Doctor Drew - Town
17. Starbuck - Lean scum
18. a2rudeboy - Town
19. Princess Leia - Would lynch
20. I Keep Siteflaking - Survivalistic but likely floated as a viable mislynch bc no wagon on him
21. Nono - Let's see what chkflip does

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I like that Titus did post a list,
Titus was this in response to 962 or 967?
Genuine posting from Ice on a meta dive.

967 tbh.

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17. Starbuck - Lean scum

Why?

You don't remind me of the Weakest Link. That is meta which is garbage. Different style of game. Also garbage.

Your pushes feel hollow. Less garbage.

This is why you're a weak scumread. Nothing strong but your posting feels empty.

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12. Almost50 - Where is he? NAI for him. Null

I accept the Null read and will be first to admit my play so far is NAI. What I don't understand is the question! I am the 4th top poster of the game so far, so I am clearly present. No?

Volume =/= presence. A gibberish message can be blast on a loud speaker. It still has no presence in a debate.

Nothing you have said is memorable.

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Titus, what do you mean by chance to redeem?

It's null by lack of activity which is quite fixable given Zito appears to have siteflaked.

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Oh hey Titus dropped a weak scumtell.

Oh rly?

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They've played more than once with me in the playerlist, why?

I think A50 is very different here relative to in Redneck Mafia, where he was a traitor. It's related to my townread on A50. Since Titus alluded to coming back to the site recently, I thought she might not have experience with A50. But, it sounds like she has more experience than I do.

I never left. Sorry if that's confusing. My divorce changed me and thus how I play. MS was a great help during tgat period.

Happy birthday!

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Oh hey Titus dropped a weak scumtell.

Oh rly?

You didn't ask what it was -- I think someone pointed this out already but in case you didn't notice that...
I think as scum you might have historically been a bit more aggressive in your reactions. I'm not sure if the reactive one was old you or new you.

Since you've posted again since then I guess I can move along to asking. Why didn't you notice I had replaced Leia? I could have sworn you posted around the same timeframe that I burst posted a bunch of snap impressions, but then you came back later with a "reads list" that still had Leia in it. The "scumtell" I was referring to was related to a theme game a few years ago where you feigned ignorance of what was going on as a way to appear non-threatening. I didn't pick up on it until after being eliminated but I did nail it in the dead thread before getting spoiled in.

Honestly, meta is shit. My mafia personality changed after my divorce so ancient meta is double shit.

I just supposed the first post was accurate and forgot about you.

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I think, but not sure, that Titus towntold. This offsets the previous thing I noted. It deserves some discussion between us.

Oh cool.

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I think, but not sure, that Titus towntold. This offsets the previous thing I noted. It deserves some discussion between us.

Wait. Who is us?

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I feel flip is wking iks.

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VOTE: Walter

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wking?

Whiteknighting

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VOTE: Walter

theatre?

I mean between the two of them, not you.

I am voting Walter because he's the largest wagon I actually like. Sure flip and iks could be theatre but I doubt it. It feels more like a towncred save.

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I think chkflip is town off 1196.

I don't care for it.

Then again, I don't care for angry men at all.

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I think chkflip is town off 1196.

I don't care for it.

Then again, I don't care for angry men at all.

Liking it doesn't have any bearing on the read.
Fairly recent experience on how chkflip plays.

I don't see how being angry = townread.

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Starbuck, so let me get this straight, your objection is that I am paying attention? Rather than look at my reads wall for details and interact, you object to content even existing?

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My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

Yes, this is what I noticed. It's kinda hard to know whether to use it as AI, it seems to me that her availability and attention level seem to fluctuate.

Yes. That's NAI.

I admit I have mental health issues that limit my ability to focus, a varied work schedule, and a general hatred of Day 1.

If this IKS wagon goes through without a counter, I am worried Day 2 will be Day 1.5, yet I don't have the energy to actually full on sort players like Starbuck who are in my weak scum category.

Also, flip might be scum but I am definitely not facing a rage bot right now.

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My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

Yes, this is what I noticed. It's kinda hard to know whether to use it as AI, it seems to me that her availability and attention level seem to fluctuate.

What's weirding me out is that she has misinterpreted me multiple times now. I'm not sure if she's going out of her way to do it or if her goal is to spin me up, maybe?

I've played with Titus a fair amount over the last few months and I haven't gotten this feeling off her before.

That and her immediate jump to sort me as scum, when I am most definitely town this game, is throwing me for a loop.

I haven't misinterpreted you at all. You are different than the Weakest Link. I want to know why but I can't articulate just how you're different.

For instance, you asking me for a readslist then objecting to the very fact I created it, doesn't make much sense. Why not engage with the substance unless looking for something to attack?

What are your thoughts on chkflip and IKS?

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My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

Yes, this is what I noticed. It's kinda hard to know whether to use it as AI, it seems to me that her availability and attention level seem to fluctuate.

What's weirding me out is that she has misinterpreted me multiple times now. I'm not sure if she's going out of her way to do it or if her goal is to spin me up, maybe?

I've played with Titus a fair amount over the last few months and I haven't gotten this feeling off her before.

That and her immediate jump to sort me as scum, when I am most definitely town this game, is throwing me for a loop.

I haven't misinterpreted you at all. You are different than the Weakest Link. I want to know why but I can't articulate just how you're different.

For instance, you asking me for a readslist then objecting to the very fact I created it, doesn't make much sense. Why not engage with the substance unless looking for something to attack?

What are your thoughts on chkflip and IKS?

1. Yes, you have and you've done it repeatedly.

2. I'm not sure why you can't articulate why I'm different. Maybe because I've settled back into playing again and I'm not feeling so rusty anymore?

2. Of course, I'm different from Weakest Link. It was my first game back on site after like 3 years (I think) and I was dealing with the absolute toxic waste dump that was springlullaby as my welcome back to the site. I've already explained this. I'm not sure why that's the game that you're going back to (when there's Mafia of Revelations), but you're obviously not going to be satisfied with my answer and keep pushing this ridiculous idea, as you've shown already.

3. I actually didn't ask you for a reads "list." I just asked if you had any reads and if you cared to share - 967 (thanks for that bbcode help, Galron). I don't expect anyone to have a full list of reads in a large game, let alone in 8 minutes from my original ask, because that's an unrealistic expectation. I would have been happy if you threw out like a top 3 scum and top 3 town. I was trying to interact with you and see where your head was at because your ISO, to that point, left a lot to be desired and still kinda does.

4. I have been engaging with the substance, but there were other things to focus on, as well. It's not all about you and your slot.

5. While chkflip is being way overaggressive and could stand to back down a bit, I'm feeling town on him. As for IKS, I'm rather null, to be fair. I can see chkflip's point on folks just railing on IKS all game and him feeling downtrodden, I can also see Drew's (I think?) point that he's being purposeful in his trolling. However, the quickness in how the wagons have been building is a concern.

6. Wasn't it you who wanted to do some VCA? That could be helpful in the current game state.

1. Let's not rehash and get into circles here.

2. I am not satisfied because it's my gut that says something's off and different. I also don't recall spring being that toxic.

3-4. Well if you're trying to see where my head is at...ask about a specific read?

6. I can look at the wagons and guess. That's not VCA though. I hate when players ask for a Day 1 VCA. That's not how it works.

I might just need to sig that.

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VOTE: IKS

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(I'd be fine with TD's slot being V/LA for a week (so he doesn't have to replace out) given that night is coming up.)

Plot hole, what if TD is a PR?

#sideeye

*resist urge to call this a partner slip*

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VOTE: Lavender

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@Flip,

I waffle between ending the day and getting a counterwagon to IKS.

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VOTE: iks

There's a counter. I am ok with him dying.

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Drew is not happening.

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L minus 3 on iks
L minus 3 on NPOM

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I don't like the NPOM wagon. Dude's just stubborn.

VC please

These votes are scrambling too much to see what wagons are changing to get a stronger feel for who is scum.

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I won't really be available at deadline. Let's try and make a choice before the US goes to sleep tonight.

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This was back before you and Starbuck spent a good while in a circular argument. What was it you were thinking of doing? Would it be useful to do that now?

I didn't have anything particular in mind. I was just frustrated and thought we had one static wagon. I hate those types of days as it stalls my development of long term stable reads.

Now that we have two contentious wagons and an attempt to divert, I am not as worried.

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I'd do npom to avoid nl but it feels transparently obvious that npom is a counter to save iks.

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@IKS, Who is your gutiarist?

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I have a Wiki role.

Your point doesn't stand.

Mine is a wiki role but stylized.

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IKS who is scum?

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IKS who is scum?

Unless IKS is scum, his opinion is not worth more than yours or mine.

It helps me determine if I should just go to bed or if iks is scumhunting.

Why are you defending him?

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@Gamma Last chance to explain Menalque scum.

@NorwegianboyEE Please tell me when your wagon happened

@Menalque Sorry

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Wrong game. Sorry