Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

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just fyi, Ive got 4 hours of free time -at night- a day, and it most certainly will not be spent all here.

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lets do it

Best Logic Ive seen all game. All six posts of it.

@mod

Has mafia/ other PTs daytalk?
Can there be neutral party?
Can this be multiball (2 mafias)?
Can you lie in role PMs/ flips?
Is it possible, that a person has a modifier/ role (s)he wasn't told about nor hinted about? (saying you have a modifier you don't know about is OK, having a miller who recieves VT PM not)

Get a load of this guy! So newb or scum playing a game?

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P.S. I may or may not have done that already.

If you did Ill call you town with like 4/5 odds.

He was boring and sloppy!
I do appreciate it's a good reason to vote for me.
Titus is town.

Not entirely sure I can faithfully read this post, but I do want to note that it exists. dbg is doing a thing.

Just cuz you and Titus agreed to be town last game together doesn't mean it's true.

hmmmmm. town? Id be willing to say yes at this stage.

Aight Pooky. Here's mine.

Spoiler:

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Never, ever saw this. Thanks, I feel like a piece of internet culture was witnessed.

VOTE: I Keep Siteflaking

Ill try to stop

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oh, btw, Im . . . . . . ummmm . . . . Papa Zito? yea, I think Im PZ slot

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SORRY *Toad

My bad for misreppping

Its too early in the game for this shit.

VOTE: Leia

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o/ I got a new job! The pay is koolbeans, but the hours suck, the workplace is cramped, the clientele all poorer than I am.


Its been a real experience though. Gonna at least do 8-12 months so I can at least slap that I left voluntarily on my resume.

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Sounds like a true Jester.

Nah, hes not a jester. But I think I can approve of you based on what Ive seen so far.

This is a scumslip because the cognitive load of rolling scum made Flakes bad at maths.
VOTE: Flakes
1 down, 4 to go.

This alt is hyperaggressive, to the point where I wonder if they think theyre applying pressure. There is a such thing as watering down the power of your vote.

Refusal to answer a direct question noted.

dude. This could be town? Im not entirely sold as of yet.

I mean, I'm cool with lynching NPOM, pretty in favor even, but @DGB I would also point out that Princess Leia should be looked at as a raving lunatic, not as town or scum. I don't think anything they have done is alignment indicative.

This guy though is sending out soft pings. not for this post specifically, just a general vibe.

Anyone fancy a good ol' fashioned massclaim?

No, and youre terrible for suggesting anything but a flavor claim, which I dont see the logic to but at least could entertain.

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Can someone please make some scummy move (for real) so that I can get started? Unless you all want me to roll the dice (I guess scum would, so I think I've just killed my own plan)

I claim 3p doctor.

Yea but youve been 3p enough for me to half believe you!

I also believe Leia's push on TD to be complete shit.

I think Id join a TD wagon if it still exists. Leia's been kind of shitposty and all, but I actively feel like TD is scum. its still kinda weak tho.
But, jus sayin, its a bad look to defend a light red scum to try to force a weak wagon likke leia's.

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This reminds me of Almost catch ups, ignoring reality and just giving commentary of the game so far.

maybe. Its taken some time to improve my catchups enough to where I dont get insta-wagoned tbh.

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A bit of Column A, A bit of Column B?

Im more worried about Titus' attempt to look like she's doing something when she really isnt.

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From my experience, people who get emotional are usually town.

I do not endorse this. its highly situational.

Am I in your town block as well?

you can be a temporary honorary member in mine if you want.

From my experience, people who get emotional are usually town.

From my experience people who say emotional people are town are scum.
#somecoolhasttagthatburns

This was pretty legit tho.

I really wanted a votecount to make sure I didn't miss anyone before they all unvoted, (and also cause I am lazy,) but here goes

Not that I read it, but I skimmed the readlist for the tone of it, and it does seem earnest. If I assume you take trolling poorly than you do look less bad.

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I find being named

Titus
Drew
Leia

to be a bad look.


TD
Bambi
Walter
NoNo
and to a lesser extent Pooks

Are people I remember wanting to watch for whatever reason

Gams
2rude
and kinda 50

felt town

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Im interested in some of the non-posters.

ice
lavander
siteflake

Im looking extra-foreward to the first two.

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I dont feel like he's been here enough. I think he's just popping in to prodge.

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Ive known titus for years, Long enough to know when she isnt fully engaged. I'll double back through siteflakes iso though

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Can you all ignore the fact that I though that 5+2 is 5 and carry on? Please.

I liked this.

i cc raving lunatic

and this kinda.

How about

I ignored this the first time, but I remember the context offhand. it was an attempt to meme. Kind of like it.

VOTE: tiphainedeath

Neither Siteflake nor NPOMs vote on TFD thrilled me, tbh

VOTE: NPOM

And then he naked vote NPOM right after leia attacks NPOM

Death,
why is Leia trolling scummy, but my naked voting playstyle?

Its not 'newb' but it does feel weak and unconfident. idk what to make of that yet . . .

It is called "reflexive vigilante".

This is the second time he's CCed a role that is 'wacky'. Guess who has a wacky role?

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meh sure

VOTE: siteflakes

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@Pisskop, what made you change your mind about Leia/TD?

TD I want to reevaluate, since he can just be bad under pressure. Leia I didnt really change on, I just saw a chance to add pressure and, well, look at the reaction it caused? Ive never been shy about voting around.

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VOTE: flakes

Vote is fine.

hell yea lets go
VOTE: flakey flake

Nobody asked for clarification on this?

Pisskop, why did you not feel the need to vote until after Goofballl on Flakes.

I already answered this, coincidentally.

VOTE: flaking
Bleh.

So why did you join in if its a flkashwagon and its bleh? jc

UNVOTE: flakes

If leia is getting a replacement, I want to hear from them first.

hmm?

Not enough to snap read drew or pisskop from their ISOs.
Pedit: not sure what baker level is, probably have to read it for myself. Thanks.
Pedit2: Hopefully I'll fix that fairly quick. Was relieved to get town pm...

Im roughly 60/40 on dave being town based on his intro. So better than average.

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I think that yes rudedude does come out looking somewhat worse for wear from the last 24 hours.

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E) Tells another player who is lurking to basically "jump on the wagon", which they do

is it scummy, and if so does it mean theyre working together?

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Im here

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IKS' push for a modkill is weird

I dont really feel like it was a 'real' push.

How could he expect that to result in a modkill? i feel like its a NAI non-sequitur.

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Does a modkill end the day?
Does it reset the VC if not?
Does it benefit scum more than town? What about any 3P?

Do you feel like he played it in a way that avoids suspicion if it did go through?

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I guess im asking for evidence that this was an intentionally malign act that would come from not-town or as an act of petty spite. Lack of evidence to the contrary isnt really sufficient.

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otherwise its just hearsay and speculation, imo.

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it feels good to hear you take that stance.

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from a gameplay perspective.

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Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK:

why is this your impression?

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VOTE: TD

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What is 'shredding'? is it just another word for lynch or is it a mechanic here?

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meh.

nono is good vigbait, a less good day1 lynch. id pick galron over nono

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but does it djent?

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You're learning

quote of the game Right here

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i like 931 enough to not want it dead.

that's some decent efforting right there

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I am present'

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• Sorry for being so distant, but work and this game called Among Us has taken up most of my time. Among Us is basically this but with graphics, so yeah. Also faster paced.

VOTE: WalterTheDunce10 Team Galron I guess

What if Space Station 13, but smaller and it cost money?

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VOTE: Galron

Bambi you seem so distant this game. Where's the sassy little 3p who townsided? Wheres the town side?

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Other than being cranky, what is the case on Galron?

I dont have a case on him, but Ill iso him out in a few.

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Only scum push for mod kills

Thats bad and you should be modkilled for saying so.

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Guys I fired my first person today! Im feeling cheeky

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Multiball or an errant sk/vig?

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I had cake, and now Im sleepy

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i think id do a drew

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
For being late.

Its never a science analysing rvs, but you can at least say that it doesnt look scummy.

I'm sheeping Galron because he looks like Sans.

This is a sign of a high level of intelligence and instinct.

No, this shit is a sign of memy-ness and several people played into it. Do you know why? is it a previous game or something?

For sirring dgb

'sir' is a gender neutral term, even preferred by some senior women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir#Military_and_police

I'll sheep this.
VOTE: IKS

First content.

339 is satire. Some of youse are scum reading Leia for having fun and some others of y'all are scum reading TD for something nai.

What i think i like about galron is how succinct he is. He could provide more content, but he seems to be voting and active enough to read.

what's happening

IKS is scum and you should be voting there.

Eww... Why even go there?

I think it shows where his mind is, and it isnt on proper defense of himself.

- - - - -

hmmmmm I think hes townier than not.

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i think id do a drew

Mountain Drew?

VOTE: drew

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it was the point of mine though

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dave is princess Leia?

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im confused about why I'm confused.

why do people think I am confused about ganmas post? eli5?

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somebody asked me about my galron post.

i mentioned going to do so last night, and I was also forming my opinion of him. he's been a short poster that I've mostly ignored hereto.

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Get

THE FUCK

off the Siteflake wagon.

yea im not into troll wagons. Are we PLing it?

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VOTE: Walter

theatre?

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VOTE: Walter

theatre?

I mean between the two of them, not you.

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I want it to not be a quickhammer opportunity myself. Are we agreed to PL IKS?

If yes, then we need to discuss more anyway.
If no, then we need not to stack on him like Jenga pieces,

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If I have to claim I will

VOTE: walter

ffs dude.

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Dont wear a 'kick me' sign in a game with trolls.

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VOTE: unvote

lol

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I would do a dave

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I feel like all Im doing is restating my reads tho.

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yea but Im too lazy to find 720

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Can you do that in the future?

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oh, I handtype out mu bbcode

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Mechanically its more scum indicative, but emotionally its a sign of [meta] in all its various shapes.

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Sometimes you get mad and troll. Maybe we need the Mafia Police to come by and look at his sordid behavior. Put him in mafia-jail.

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I think his behavior should be PLed, and I feel like its an intentional play. But im not convinced its a scum gambit

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oof

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Whats the vc anyway?

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L-2 iirc

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You guys should claim up.

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I mean, do you see this going better in the near future?

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VOTE: pisskop

oh, maybe a flash wagon will materialize upon me.

Thatll save you.

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Claim up or ill vote you.

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VOTE: npom

I mean, Im a man of my word, but I can respect it

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Ah, so we aren't shredding today, then?

vote for nopower.

we can get a claim and move on. its become a challenge for me now.

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Also willing to vote pisskop, asking for two fucking claims when neither is shred-1 is super disgusting.

You should claim too0

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Becausse Chky's been playing a bit of a hardass all game and this is a much softer take.

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for real tho, these two wagons are kind of garbo.

id kill iks as a pl, but i expect a greenflip. npom isn't scum either

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Lavender is lhf probably.

Slanderer is intentionally not playing. No lower than any lurker.

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VOTE: pisskop LETS GO

You wanton vote hopping will look very bad late game. you should consider that its setting you up to be pushed.

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Claim up or ill vote you.

SpOoKy

Doot

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CAUGHT FOR THE WRONG REASONS

I mean, it would make sense.

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Asking for a claim at level 3 for two people is still bad.

And yet

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It always comes off as an overreaction when people say silly crap like 'we should lynch him for hardclaiming scum on D1' or 'he asked for a claim but we didnt accuse him of rolefishing' or 'he suggested a modkill, lets kill him'.

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but I don't wanna accidentally hammer so no more votes.

cmon, you can at least look over a vc and give a read.

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The thing is that's exactly how she plays as TOWN. (I haven't even seen her scum game yet, but I witnessed her town game 2 or 3 times already)

scum lavander can be bullied?

People like that, and A50, can burn later on if they start slipping away. I believe in giving people _some_ space.

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gams is playing somethign resembling his town game, but I havent seen a scum gams in a while, so . . . ?

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Who cares if it is close to deadline

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At least this game will be spicier later on, ones the dead slots die or get replaced...

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I cant believe I only have one game rn, and Im tempted to try another. But I only have time on my days off.

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I TR the npom wagon more, but think npom himself is townier than iks

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yea, Id rather switch myself than ask others to do so.
VOTE: iks

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And thats why youre not a mafia vetreran.

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Claim request at l3 is pretty hot to me.

Id like, at some point, to have a discussion on why you think its so scummy to ask for claims as i did. There is certainly a case to be made; there is some popular support for a wagon on me.

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Claim request at l3 is pretty hot to me.

Id like, at some point, to have a discussion on why you think its so scummy to ask for claims as i did. There is certainly a case to be made; there is some popular support for a wagon on me.

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youre talking this so serious.

joker_movie.gif

Yeah because being voted makes you scummy/scum. This is day 1 you think the consensus is auto truth?

Nobody thinks the game is resolved yet. What its coming down to is prior play today. the case on me isnt strong. Ive been playing, contributing, and my play doesnt really match my meta. There are very clear reasons, up to and including the time left in the dayphase, why Im not being wagoned by anyone who isnt trying to derail the current wagons. Its not even healthy to try to hotswap so late, what with you guys so wagoned up.


Why would you want us to throw away two very solid wagons and all the information it will tell us to attack another player who asked for a claim? Have you considered what your character or role claim would do to change the game? Or why I asked when I did instead of earlier?

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So you know this game is full of shit and you're still surprised...?

Do you have content to provide?

Do you think I did a scummy?
is IKS scum or towntrolling?
What about npom?

Who would you vote right now if you werent so busy poopooing the game/site?

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My claim would change nothing except probably lead to a town elimination.

This is potentially a hot take.

wdym? Like your own death, or another person?

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why didn't you ask all this shit forever ago instead of half a day before deadline. are you just trying to look town right now?

Did the opportunity come up then? Do i need to look town? Maybe Im irritated that your talking shit from one side of your mouth and sense from the other?

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so if you claim, people will jump off iks and lynch you lol

Yea thats kind of spicy tbh.

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If you rolled something funzies, like miller or compulsive, princess, or townsiding 3p, claiming it today is the right move.

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lol

i feel like we've made progess here.,

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I dont remember what or if either of you claimed.

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well Ive already flavor claimed and I dont think were related...

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Its a sneakret, but its a few crumbs in a few posts.

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I hard claim John Browne (Monumets) the Developer. I progressively unlock new modifiers/ abilities. I don't what I will get before I unlock it. The fact, that I unlock progressively made me think, that if I survive long enough, I might get a very good abilities in later game. One of my alts is BS. That account's meta is centralized about trolling - which usually makes me wagoned day 1, but the wagon usually disappears and I am likely to survive till late game. Lo, survive till late game. So I decided to use that account's meta.
This explains why I was so calm about my wagon building on me - I expected it to go away, like it usually does. It also explains, how I "dig out dirt on pisskop from his meta" - I actually just picked Baker game in which I jokingly suggested a modkill, and took a look whether people in that and this game had different reactions on suggesting modkills. I would also like to point out, that saying "guess who is getting modkilled" is much far from suggesting a modkill than screaming MODKILL, yet pisskop ignored me in BFM (he was town) and pushed me here.

Where it comes to NPOM wagon, I still think that wagon is bad and should be dismissed.
Where it comes to pisskop wagon, I don't find asking for claims in L-3 that scummy. Nonetheless, I scumread him and Drew for their push on me and Pisskop's wagon is more popular. So I voted him.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monuments ... al_band%29

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i dont think developer is normal role. its custom.

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i dont think developer is normal role. its custom.

You have some experience right? Or am I thinking of someone else?

I tend to stick to normals ftmp.

Ive seen roles like it once or twice, but I dont remember them as significant. Mostly its because they start out as chocolate townies and end up dead as soon as people realize theyre getting stronger.

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Developer doesn't have anything to do with music right?

I guess its just a x-shot joat.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Developer

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Yes, my role is stylized. it is a mafia role that is renamed to make it guitar-y.

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He is implying youre faking your role, not that mafia isnt getting a stylized role name.

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P.S. Now that I did it, I somehow sense IKS is going to flip scum and I would look awful. Murphy's Law sure out to get me.

The wagons been on and off all game. I dont think this will be why you get Scumread.

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I dont think iks is 'knowledge trolling', whatever that means. Id expect somebody in his shoes to be pushing for a different wagon and producing a finalized readslist in order to at least get a last will out and at most dismantle his wagon. If ever there was a task to spend your psychic energy on, itd be efforting on the sudden wagon shift.

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Im sceptical about the lack of activity now, not any trolling beforehand.

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The claim was used as bait to get people to switch; its the least effort to get the results he wants (not get roped)

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If the trolling is indicative of mentality and playstyle, the lack of effort should be indicative of a least common denominator play. i.e. effort tends to be but is not directly tied to alignment in situations like this.

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scumhunting

This. but also some defending of oneself. Self preservation and active pushing.

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lol did he? I dont always read thoroughly.

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My role is a sylized version of the wiki role.

Mine is too but that doesn't preclude more simplistic naming
what would you call a developer if you were to try and make it fit the flavor?

technician
producer
songwriter

developer is the worst choice by far though. its just blase

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"I dont think its scummy but it could also be scummy"

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My salsa

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That redflip feels good. So much info now.

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I'm pretty sure there was some late-wagon bussing on IKS. Lets start there.

Looker, pisskop, davesaz, NoPowerOverMe, Gamma Emerald, WaltertheDunce10, Starbuck

That's where I'm starting my POE today.

Care to elaborate on this?

[pisskop]

Bobby Flay protected me last night as I predicted. Praise Bobby Flay.

Youre running out of time

[pisskop]

Timestamp of IKS's claim Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:00:09 pm

what are you implying?

[pisskop]

Now is not the time to make vague insinuations or provide publicly available information. Its time to make a case instead of float ideas.

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Why would scum bus before a claim, especially when there was a seemingly valid counter to work with?
Possibly more importantly, what do you think about people who switched from NPOM vs. people who hadn't voted NPOM?

My thoughts: any new bussing (if any) is after claim, and probably not the first 1-2 after claim. Pre-claim bussing (if any) should be much earlier in the wagon before it got real, and people who had laid a foundation to not vote NPOM.

I disagree. Titus, for instance, was known to power-lynch partners and then ride the towncred. Ive done the same, tbh.

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2nd person (from my PoE) to toss shade on my scum hunting.

I approve of you increased activity. I just wish it was more substantive.

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Quick question, Npom was also a policy elim, yes?

not that I know. There were actual reasons people had for voting him.

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Also why the fuck was Titus shot? They weren't being super-leader or anything.

Titus is one of the more competent players on the playerlist here. And them not being active doesnt mean they wont be more active. Presuming that it was a scum bullet that did her in I'd say it tells me that scum knows who to target and probably has some apprehension about late-game titus. She has cost me a game or three.

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Her outdated reads list means little though. It probably had something to do with her death, but I doubt she pegged the whole team or whatever.

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Chkflp voted NPOM based on my case -- it wasn't policy. Walter should know this, because he also voted NPOM based on my case. At minimum, I would expect him to remember that it wasn't policy.

I too suspect walter. At least, him over you.

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I'm the towniest player now and you know it.

Lol, youre in a baker-bastard game designed by boonitoons.

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Vigilantism is dangerous.

Not true. You give me a gun, Ill be able to find and shoot another guy with a gun.

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he challenged the flashwagon gods

You wanton vote hopping will look very bad late game..

I mean . . .

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Ok ya, IKS had his vote on PK.

in fact, a lot of what iks did is probably very useful. not who he spoke to but what he voted and when.

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heeeey, can you just make a readslist lookin thing? youre just attacking people who spread a little shade around.

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y

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like youre coming off as grumpy and defensive.

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nobody voted for you. a case on you would be a weak case. itd help us scumhunt.

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Surely if I'm to do it, you could as well, hm?

piss, rude
npom, gamma, chk
ereone else

---null---

dave, td, walter


something like this

[pisskop]

1. Galron
2. Gamma Emerald
3. DrippingGoofball
4. PookyTheMagicalBear
6. Lavender
7. Bambi Jay
8. TiphaineDeath
9. WaltertheDunce10
10. BrightEyedFish
11. NoPowerOverMe
12. Almost50
13. pisskop Papa Zito
14. Looker
15. Iecerint
16. Doctor Drew
17. Starbuck
18. a2rudeboy
19. davesaz Princess Leia
21. chkflip Nono

dave is nullscum
bright is null-nullscum
almost is null
looker looking like annoyingly nulltown
drips is playing a meta i dont instantly recognize but looks town by association.

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Furthermore, why NOT Drew, Looker, or Starbuck?

oh no drew is scummy
looker 'feels' town
starbuck im null on. I feel like we can sink scum starbuck later.

[pisskop]

oh. bambi is running out of time too. bobby flay not continue protecting him,

[pisskop]

look I just wanted some concrete reads from you, not to hsve to make a reads list at 3:30 from my bedside laptop when Ive been pretty transparent about it.

[pisskop]

youre spazzing boo

[pisskop]

lol fair

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I disagree. Titus, for instance, was known to power-lynch partners and then ride the towncred. Ive done the same, tbh.

If true; this must be her new meta. The traditional Titus meta is to never bus. When did that change?

Nah, she brags about it occasionally. But it doesnt matter if she does cuz she ded.

My salsa

vs. MY salsa

Spoiler:

That was better than it had any right to be.

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Spoiler: titus and I have a history of this conversation

Subject: Blitz 6: Normal! [Game Over]

TITUS, WHY AM I BUTTHURT? OVER WHAT? WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NONSENSE
AND BETS WHEN YOU FLAT OUT IGNORE HONEST QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR CHOICE OF WORDS?

Cuz you won't vote scum when I'm proven right/smart. By your logic when I bus, I bus hard, which means scum are in my pool anyway.

You aren't putting honest questions but raving like a lunatic.

Subject: Ny 192 Dead thread

:'( My shiny bus....

This is why I do not bus.

theres more, but Im not shifting through the several dozen pages of content we share for it. Theres precedent for a hard titus bus precisely because she decries it.

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In ny192 she explicitly bussed and it got her, lynched. By me.

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But, again, it doesnt matter. cuz she ded.

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Are pisskop and Doctor Drew partners? What's with this overuse of the word "poopoo"?

whoa

serious question time.


What makes you think this?

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VOTE: NPOM

This vote is based on my case D1, plus similar behavior from him today (e.g., not scumhunting, making irrelevant comments, trying to get others off-track). I think his behavior is best explained by a scum wincon. He does not behave this way in his games in general. Pisskop's wagon having been an anternawagon on such flimsy grounds supports this.

I think its unlikely that both were scum. Where does that leave scum before the wagon on me?

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Everytime I check this thread I see someone voting someone new. In other words, I get the feeling we have at least 6 different wagons going and none has more than ... two votes??

nah, its walter at like 3 votes and npom at 3.

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VOTE: walter

nah, its walter at 4.

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Any Starbucks vote is crapola.
Any TP vote is . . . better but I dont feel like his early wagon would have been so persistent if he were scum?


P: Lav is premature.

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Lurkerscum who tried to chime in like he had content but really just pushed cheap wagons and easy opportunities.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go


From on shitposter to another, its scummy scumson

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Why is it premature? Nothing to gain from their flip, or low-hanging fruit?

For meta reasons. Not meta on lav, game meta.

If lav is scum, he'll continue doing fuck and all.
If lav is town, presumably he'll continue doing fuck and all.

The difference is what we do once we narrow down the suspect pool. We can afford to set him aside for now as a low content lurker and push other people. No way he makes it to endgame. And as a plus, any shenanigans he tries or roles he claims will be studied with more knowledge later on. The game is large enough and the body count is as of yet small enough to afford to ignore it as null.

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beep

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VOTE: NPOM

jesus dude

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yea, but did he self vote?

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lol He was a jester

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That is a really good point.

I think both of them being scum ACCOUNTS FOR the wagon on you (e.g., IKS and NPOM voted for you and tried to get others to vote for you).

So the pro-strat move is to . . . get run up to L-3 and then suddenly decide to push for someone else?

Looker, please explain the 'connection' between PK and I a littler further.

Well, did you know that ronnie raygun's three names add up to '666' if you count the letters Or that 9/11 was an inside job? or that the government knew about pearl harbor before it happened?

I think its unlikely that both were scum.

I think this is a logical fallacy as it does not account for our knowledge that IKS is scum.

The probability of any 2 people being scum together is lower than the probability of any 1 person being scum.

However the probability of NPOM being scum given that IKS is scum is not equivalent to the probability of IKS/NPOM both being scum independently.

In pure probability terms - we are talking about what the probability of NPOM as scum is independently of IKS alignment.

However given that IKS flipped red and refused to vote NPOM despite NPOM being pretty scummy and within the range of being lynched while IKS was under threat of being lynched increases the probability that NPOM is also a scum.

All probability is 50/50. It is or isn't, happens or doesn't happen.

Both of these are both equally invalid logics.

Or my role could be totally worthless.

Is that a.... a.................................

scumslip?

This is a shitty push.

VOTE: NPOM

I would recommend a vig on this instance of gamma.

Wait are we actually saying we wagoned 2 scum day 1? I don't believe it much.

town? are you town-siding?

Gamma and Tiph don't give a FUCK where their vote goes, eh?

Fascinating.

The former is a true statment, but that doesnt mean the latter is.

Pisskop and Doctor Drew agreed in their PT to use the word "poopoo" as much as possible.

This guy ^^

This guy knows how to troll but still contribute. He's dangerous

Looker, I see that you are saying that PK 'must be together' for some reason'. But why would we use code words in the game when we could, ya know, coordinate things in our 'PT'?

Doth thou protest to much?
The very notion is hyperbole, and I take some suspicion to your focus on it,

Lavender needs to shit or get off the pot.

What do you mean?

I was going to post yesterday and fell asleep...

Id kill you just for this....

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if we are gonna wagon NPOM, let's fucking do it.
if we are gonna wagon Lav, let's fucking do it.

IKS flip gave us some stuff to analyze, but i don't think it's moved the game state forward, as we are basically having the same arguments as D1, now with one less scum and one less town.

Im okay with killing lav now. Fuck him.

Im not saying iks wasnt worth looking at, I will say he didnt say much of note, and I wouldnt trust what he did say.

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VOTE: lavander

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I townread me. Drew's been making more sense today, too. Like, an uncanny amount of 'more sense'.

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But, seeing as how that readslist was maybe a third of the playerbase, I wouldnt put more than a casual stock into it. Thats a deceptive way to approach the game when his literal job is to lie.

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Why are you so focused on what a noncontentful poster posted? Youre smarter than that

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You lot are the ones that promised IKS was an informative lynch. I'm merely attempting to use the information.

Also today's wagons are literal dogshit.

the wagons are what is informative to me.

what people did is more truthful and informative than what anyone said.

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I went skydiving today and passed my AFF Lvl 1 jump!

How expensive was it? Skydiving is definitely on my todo list, and with the new income I get from my new job, Im totes thinking about thinking about looking into it.

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Whats nice about the iks wagon and all the wagons today is that, no matter who we lynch there will be a great comparison value for all of the wagons once we get more flips.

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I actually think looker is town. just a really bored town. I wish he'd take the game more cereal.

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@starbuck, he was not a sinking ship, NPOM wagon was very real alternative.

And that doesnt make you stop and ask 'why were scum willing to push it'?

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Youve got a picture of a chode of a galaxy emitting whole stars worth of radiation per second and you think its sane?

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You guys think this is any good? I rather like the band for the few years Ive been hip them...

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That is super rad.

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The Baker really knows how to pick'em.

I do really enjoy Baker and Boons.

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hmmmmm, I know ya'll dont like spec, but I do.

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Bring Kuribo in here!

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????


If people can WotC in sign-ups, why cant we group-think a replacement?

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This is a weird tangent, NPOM.

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Although if he has dead thread access he might be ineligible.

yea. I specifically asked to be removed from it when it was offered. I wanted in the game, not the spectator thread.

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van helen be ded

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Im back from the gym.

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I got nothing out of the last 5 pages.

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I'll be very sad if the whole scumteam is just butthurt trollers roflskating around the game.

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that doesnt sound so far out there. what if he is caught 3p?

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Baker is infamous for it; but he has put in ones that can win and cant win with town.

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Can confirm: If NPOM's flavor claim is correct, we do NOT have the same flavor.

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VOTE: n[pm

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We shred!

I

lynch. I kill, vote, lynch, murderate, and murderhobo

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VOTE: Looker
S-1

Baby Jesus

Baby jesus dude

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I do not consent to a looker lynch.

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I see. So this is my first time hearing this 'WAP' song's lyrics. More offended that they woman thinks I'd bankroll a Hoe for a chance to get laid. But kudos to her for calling something that quacks a duck. Whatever floats the boat.

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its actually pretty edgy. Be careful not to cut yourself.

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VOTE: Looker

We'll go ahead with this now.