Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[Gamma Emerald]

It is fine now. Why? Because I am here!

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

For being late.

Who says I am late? I say I am right on time!

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sheeping Galron because he looks like Sans.

Then vote me. I can weather any storm.

[Gamma Emerald]

a2rudeboy is chainsawing me. I think I've actually caught 2 scum on page 4 and the frog is trying to salvage the situation.

Titus + a2rudeboy + poster of 9

Fucking end me if this is how you normally behave

[Gamma Emerald]

Here I am! The tragic clown...

[Gamma Emerald]

I need a reset. I think I'm confbiasing.

UNVOTE:

I’m a bit surprised to see a post like this as early as this is

I guess I’ll just try to not get too bothered by Leia’s behavior, it’s erratic but seems to come from a good place

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: NPOM

Sheeping Leia

[Gamma Emerald]

Aren’t you suspecting me though? No questioning my motives?

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I’m pretty sure if Pooky starts to make a lot of sense that means he is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

is there a historical basis for this?

Only one game rn

[Gamma Emerald]

NPOM- you don't care about being voted.

Are there other people in the game who are aware of your role flavour?

Why jump straight to this question???

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would knowing his flavor matter? I would expect flavors to not mean much in this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Imo survivor is a pro-scum third party
Unjester is one I’d probably consider neutral

[Gamma Emerald]

FoS means Finger of Suspicion, so maybe Toe of Trust?

[Gamma Emerald]

Princess Leia is trying to forcefully take over leadership with brazenly fake scumhunting.

It might be fake but why do you think that’s Leia’s MO?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I’m pretty sure if Pooky starts to make a lot of sense that means he is scum

And you're outing the tell you have on him so early because.. ??

Because it’s actually a warning that him playing protown probably means he is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Because if he tries to make that a non scumtell, he’s now trying to be protown as Town. Obviously he could just play his town game as scum but that’s not as much of a break of character as playing his scumgame as Town would be.

[Gamma Emerald]

5 points to Gryffindor!

[Gamma Emerald]

Refusal to answer a direct question noted.

MisCharacterizing your own questions +1 Scum Point

The capatalised C here makes this scum-indicative. Increased likelihood Pooky originally had 'mis' and 'characterizing' as separate words, but then joined them together after reading his post through. Scum are much more likely to reread and edit their posts.

I'll be back on the sheep Goofball train in a bit, but I want to take this steam mobile for a spin.

There was supposed to be a vote there. FFS (For Force's Sake).

VOTE: Pooky

I am already sheeping, but I also think logic is rather legit
VOTE: Pooky

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone fancy a good ol' fashioned massclaim?

I’ll go last >:)

[Gamma Emerald]

Not that one, his first post, and I admit that I'm probably wrong about that, but his play since has been crap-tastic. Not that one would really notice with all the raving ridiculousness that is going on this game.....

NPOM’s first post is not a scumslip. I’ve been pushed as Town for that same erroneous logic before.

[Gamma Emerald]

SORRY, reading

Sorry for what?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who are your lockTOWN picks?

I am not revealing this as they can easily be kicked out if I find them to be bad guys

you'll post them when you submit it though right

[Gamma Emerald]

Who are your lockTOWN picks?

I am not revealing this as they can easily be kicked out if I find them to be bad guys

Kind of think this is a personal wincon, and not town wincon.

if he shares his picks and the role is true, it's protown for sure.

[Gamma Emerald]

so worth it

did you get reads out of it or are you just like "haha funni rxn test"

[Gamma Emerald]

So we auto win?

You weren't even in it? Wdym by this

[Gamma Emerald]

I volunteer as first wagon
VOTE: Looker

a) you can't be first wagon, that was NPOM
b) you're an alt right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Looker- Are there other people in the game who are aware of your role flavour?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm SRing TD but how'd he scumslip?
VOTE: tiphainedeath

[Gamma Emerald]

315 is a slip - not a town reaction.

I am inclined to agree but I don't think I really understand why
Like I think we might have different reasons to think that

[Gamma Emerald]

So we auto win?

You weren't even in it? Wdym by this

I thought he said if no scum in band town wins the game.

he wins, not town wins

[Gamma Emerald]

315 is a slip - not a town reaction.

I am inclined to agree but I don't think I really understand why
Like I think we might have different reasons to think that

I don't even get why this is a slip? I definitely can get why you would want to kill Pooky, he can be aggravating(all love bae, I do believe you are town)

I also believe Leia's push on TD to be complete shit.

Also, I love sheeping Titus.

VOTE: Leia

Pre Edit: Seems more fuck you rather than caught scum.

except there was nothing really aggravating, especially given he figured out it was a reaction test. It was fairly benign imo. As such I kinda feel like he's scum upset at the idea that a role that can screw them over on that level was teased

[Gamma Emerald]

From my experience, people who get emotional are usually town.

I think ate is a very neutral action, only really AI by person

[Gamma Emerald]

I already said that I thought I didn't get a role PM but when I checked my PM's again I saw that I got it. I overlooked it I don't see how that is at all scummy.

Because

I thought we would get a game start pm.

Again, that's not AI, take it from someone who's posted that exact thing as town

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, not actual 12 hours, but enough to take a breather.

I deal with trolls veeery badly, and we have a serious infestation. Trying to look past all that, I am going to just completely ignore the existence of at least the bear and leia, and maybe a few more, and I am still convinced leia is scum.

The wagon on me is absolutely horrid and anyone who isn't scum should feel bad about themselves and their scum hunting abilities.

@mod, can I get a vote count? I would like to take note of my current wagon.

I’m prime trolling bait (thanks to a bit of a genius complex) but I think you’re overreacting
Like, what’s so wrong about what Pooky did? Leia is a complete mess, yes, but apparently that’s just Hectic being Hectic, so it’s likely not scummy at all

[Gamma Emerald]

Tiphane is not helping his cause.

It's towns job to scumhunt he should realize that.

If he stopped ate ing I'll consider townreading him tho.

Scum-indicative set of posts.
You have no power over me.

VOTE: nopower

Yeah, not exactly constructive, sorta just backseat driving the conversation
That's the vibe I get from that

[Gamma Emerald]

315 is a slip - not a town reaction.

I am inclined to agree but I don't think I really understand why
Like I think we might have different reasons to think that

How dies one agree to something they don't understand? Riddle me this

I've done it a bunch, but this time I'm cognizant it may be the case
The "differing reasons" is important to it because I have had troubles before with agreeing with things for reasons I thought I understood but didn't (really only one key case but I'm sure I've done it mindlessly elsewhere too)
So I was basically probing to determine if our thoughts were parallel or on top of each other, to try to put it into perspective

[Gamma Emerald]

except there was nothing really aggravating, especially given he figured out it was a reaction test. It was fairly benign imo. As such I kinda feel like he's scum upset at the idea that a role that can screw them over on that level was teased

Let see if I am reading this correct: You still believe Pooky's claim is true, but list he provided was a reaction test??

No I believe the claim was false, but there's no good reason to be upset that it was, unless you're scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I think my own first Real-ish read of this game points to Town!A50.

I think this is a good read

[Gamma Emerald]

Pooky: I REALLY dislike the interactions I have had with this bear, but that said I really do not think it is scum. The going back and pulling up an old game that went badly to troll me pissed me off, as well as many other things it did, but going looking right there, in that moment at the beginning of a wagon, isn't a scum thing to do unless they are hard-committing to a push, and the bear was CLEARLY not hard-committed. I actually slightly, unhappily, town read this at this point.

what

how is that trolling you. I'm looking up your meta to see what your reaction is to being push on D1 as a town-player to examine and compare your reactions now to your reactions then.

Wait THAT'S what you perceive as trolling? How?

[Gamma Emerald]

that was in response to 522, I just didn't catch what ti actually said until I saw it in 524

[Gamma Emerald]

I could sub in for one of the heavy lurker slots if needed, Baker.

Ok that's Hectic, this joke is pure Hectic
well Vedith too but he's not around these days

[Gamma Emerald]

Of the 3 top wagons; I don't see why Tiph is a thing. I am not sure about NOPM myself, but I will trust rudeboy on that one until further notice. I don't find Leia scummy per se, but the lack of anything resembling scumhunting is starting to give me pause.

In short, if I were to commit right now (i.e. if we didn't have 10 days still) I would have voted Leia, but -as it stands- we do have the time and I need to decide on more than 10 slots still. The only slot I explicitly TR is rudeboy, but I have a few town leans too that it would be good to strengthen them before I commit.

why do you want X amount of reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

For me it's kinda a soul read but I just like the way he's thinking rn, seems like town!A50 mind

[Gamma Emerald]

oh, btw, Im . . . . . . ummmm . . . . Papa Zito? yea, I think Im PZ slot

That

would explain why you're catching up
I think you just hadn't been on yet

[Gamma Emerald]

thought, not think

[Gamma Emerald]

I was supposed to do like a meetup with my manager for starting an OJT thing but it got pushed back to next Tuesday
I'm actually mildly upset

[Gamma Emerald]

This reminds me of Almost catch ups, ignoring reality and just giving commentary of the game so far.

That's also how I do it a lot of the time (or at least how I did, don't think I have any games where I've replaced in except for one, and I did a way different method there of getting caught up)

[Gamma Emerald]

Ahahaha my school shut down for a couple of days and online homework is a pain (especially when they don’t post until 1 pm Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
Ino, I’ll probably talk more in the weekend...orz

MOOD

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, pausing deadline when we’re nowhere close is a bit jank imo

[Gamma Emerald]

A50 is town based on ongoing games. IKS as well.

I appreciate your honesty but is it really okay to be so open about it?
I guess that’s up to the mod

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum points for trying to get someone modkilled though.

For whom
If IKS, he didn’t actually try to call a modkill on you, he just guessed it would happen

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I think Titus is town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Of the 3 top wagons; I don't see why Tiph is a thing. I am not sure about NOPM myself, but I will trust rudeboy on that one until further notice. I don't find Leia scummy per se, but the lack of anything resembling scumhunting is starting to give me pause.

In short, if I were to commit right now (i.e. if we didn't have 10 days still) I would have voted Leia, but -as it stands- we do have the time and I need to decide on more than 10 slots still. The only slot I explicitly TR is rudeboy, but I have a few town leans too that it would be good to strengthen them before I commit.

why do you want X amount of reads?

Let me rephrase that: There are more than 10 slots that I have no read on, so I'm not in a hurry to commit to a vote yet

Trying to have reads on every slot in a 20+ person game D1 is kinda madness imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Trying to have reads on every slot in a 20+ person game D1 is kinda madness imo

The irony on this cuts so many different ways. I'm often castigated for having few concrete reads. I don't interpret A50 as saying he's trying to get a read on every slot -- I interpret it as wanting to be at something other than zero idea on more slots than currently. And when I jump on people for having no reads at all I'm treated as shading everyone. So hard to decide how I want to see this comment.

I also get knocked for lack of reads, so I’m not being hypocritical or ironic. I can get reads on an entire large game D1, but I think deliberately seeking a full read list in a game this size D1 isn’t a good idea, as it results in several weaker reads as I force myself to put something out on slots I haven’t formed an impression on yet. And I’m speaking first person so much because this is my personal experience; maybe some people have an easier time. I don’t.

[Gamma Emerald]

TOWN

Iecerint
TiphaineDeath
A50
Titus
Doctor Drew
Pooky
a2rudeboy aka Hypnotoad
Galron
Pisskop
Gamma
BrightEyed
Starbuck
Princess Leia/REPLACEMENT

Lavender
Nono

Looker
DGB
IKS
Walter
Bambi
NPOM

SCUM

uhhhh

REASONS?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am not really liking galron.
AlsoVOTE: unvote
I should stop hopping and make an actual contribution.
I don't like Icerint's list because it has a lot of town reads I feel like for this early in the day. pedit Coincidentally, now that I am looking at that list, slot's looker npom are reads I have a hard time with are listed as scum.

VOTE: WaltertheDunce10

Hrm?

[Gamma Emerald]

TOWN

Iecerint
TiphaineDeath
A50
Titus
Doctor Drew
Pooky
a2rudeboy aka Hypnotoad
Galron
Pisskop
Gamma
BrightEyed
Starbuck
Princess Leia/REPLACEMENT

Lavender
Nono

Looker
DGB
IKS
Walter
Bambi
NPOM

SCUM

uhhhh

REASONS?

I'm happy to answer specific questions you have. You can see my thoughts from the posts I made as I caught up with the game.

You have less than 20 posts before that read list. There is zero possibility you sorted as many slots as did and covered them all in that limited span. YOU ARE A LIAR!
VOTE: Iecerint

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, Lavender showing up!

Let's switch this SpeedWagon!

UNVOTE: lavender

VOTE: Nono

All the kids are doing it.

I will likely not participate in this endeavor but I wish it the best of luck

[Gamma Emerald]

I've already said trying to get someone modkilled is scummy, Cappucinno.

Tbh I don’t agree with this
But scum should 100% never be pushing mod kills on their buddies and to propose that as valid is nonsense

[Gamma Emerald]

Because it means you don't trust your fellow players to catch scum.

Ok how is this scum motivated tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I remember one game where someone was pushing a modkill on another player just because they were upset at that player
So honestly NPOM is just spewing nonsense regarding that whole deal

[Gamma Emerald]

Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11344630

I have seen enough.

VOTE: Siteflake

VOTE: Siteflake

Huh...? I can sorta see why but walk me through it

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: starbuck

Talking about mod communications, asking mod for prods, the ongoing game thing talk take up a relatively good amount of Starbuck's content.

Feels right, feels good.

(This A50's to quote this part of my message and leave a song that it reminded him of)

It made me think of a song, don’t think it’s metal tho

[Gamma Emerald]

You have less than 20 posts before that read list. There is zero possibility you sorted as many slots as did and covered them all in that limited span. YOU ARE A LIAR!
VOTE: Iecerint

This is not really useful.

Which of his reads do you most disagree with? Would be more productive to ask him specifically about that one rather than hit him with a blanket statement like this.

I kinda just wanted the gotcha moment
My issue isn’t that his reads are disagreeable, but that I think they’ve been pulled out of his ass. His “process” kinda affirms my thoughts there, I’ve done that method myself when I did gaf about having sufficient reads D1 in larger games, it’s usually a crapshoot imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11344630

I have seen enough.

VOTE: Siteflake

VOTE: Siteflake

Huh...? I can sorta see why but walk me through it

Is this directed at me or NPOM?

Either, but preferably you

[Gamma Emerald]

Why not just ask him who his alt is?

I did

Town: Titus, Fish, A50, Drew, Decaf, rude, Leia
Scum: Emerald, Ice, IKS

Why is Almost50 there?

I can hold my own. I just have a hard time making up content when there's not much to go on.

That's what this game is, though. We stand around, poking each other, pretending to be smart, until deadline. Then we randomly choose someone, scum watches our panic, and we throw the lurkiest, least vocal, or least likeable person into a fire. Then the next day we blame everyone who threw someone into the fire. Rinse and repeat.

My updated town block:

Rudeboy
A50
Npom
gamma
starbuck

No SRs to report right now. But the closest thing I have to one and since there has been some more pushing on this slot recently

VOTE: TP

Why is Almost50 there?

VOTE: Almost50 Everyone's saying you're town.

Uhhh what
Why is that a scumtell for a50

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Almost50 Everyone's saying you're town.

I think if A50 does flip scum this game, we found a buddy of his.

I kinda think this observation is valid

[Gamma Emerald]

You have less than 20 posts before that read list. There is zero possibility you sorted as many slots as did and covered them all in that limited span. YOU ARE A LIAR!
VOTE: Iecerint

I feel like you missed his posts where he explained how he did it. If he has less than 20 posts, look up his ISO and then come back.


Also, answer Pooky's questions.

As I said, the method he explained is one I’ve done to very little benefit. So even if he is Town I don’t exactly value him rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Something happened one game so that makes what I said nonsense?

You’re being axiomatic about it, so yes

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh hey Titus dropped a weak scumtell.

Tell me more

[Gamma Emerald]

Something happened one game so that makes what I said nonsense?

You’re being axiomatic about it, so yes

is it because of your experience of the previous game or because of how I am supposedly acting.

You’re stating an absolute. I contradicted your absolute. I then said your absolute was rubbish, in less words.

[Gamma Emerald]

Only scum push for mod kills

[Gamma Emerald]

It wasn't an absolute I said it was scummy. So why twist my words?

That’s what it sounded like

[Gamma Emerald]

Only scum push for mod kills

Thats bad and you should be modkilled for saying so.

You do realize I was explaining what someone else was saying right? Or am I getting wooooshed?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, Don't know about Gamma's push for modkills.
Among us is free on mobile.
Though 1050 does seem honest from gamma.

I ain’t been pushing for shit wth
Btw to give my 2 cents about Among Us, I picked up the mobile version as sorta just practice for getting it on desktop, and ended up getting mildly hooked. Haven’t done anything beyond public rooms though. My only real issue with the mobile version is sometimes if I’m walking with the map up I get stuck on a walk for a few seconds

[Gamma Emerald]

Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11344630

I have seen enough.

VOTE: Siteflake

VOTE: Siteflake

Huh...? I can sorta see why but walk me through it

Is this directed at me or NPOM?

Either, but preferably you

Siteflake's reaction to the snap wagon on him seemed odd in that he seemed to not care and/or knew it would just pass over, I feel town would get more defensive rather than play it cool. Calling out PK for the modkill thing reaked of 'let me find something in his meta to make him look bad', didn't seem genuine.

Ice, but he seems to know something we do not, and since I think Rude is town I would prefer to stay away from NPOM(though as said, I am not deadset against it).

I’m pretty sure what you said about the PK call out is what I originally saw so that’s good
VOTE: IKS

[Gamma Emerald]

Gottem

[Gamma Emerald]

Only scum push for mod kills

I don't think it's as black and white as that.

You do realize I was referencing NPOM's statements there RIGHT???????

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, everyone has acted like I was aying that as my own opinion when I legitimately fucking said something to the opposite effect already
Are you guys capable of reading beyond a fourth grade level?

[Gamma Emerald]

i think id do a drew

Mountain Drew?

lul that's one of the names for the dev of a certain Terraria mod

[Gamma Emerald]

Would you say the same thing about Titus? She did a 20 person reads list, too. I don't see you going as hard at her as you are at Iec.

Obviously my original statement about how valuable those lists are still stands, but Titus at least has been somewhat active in the thread, Iecerint popped in with a sparse bit of catch up and then posted that list.

[Gamma Emerald]

Starbuck at least seems to have gotten the point

[Gamma Emerald]

You and a few others responded to 1064 like it was my own idea, rather than one I was regurgitating back that someone else (seemingly) expressed

[Gamma Emerald]

And him calling out PK just reeked of 'let me find anything in his meta that can make him look bad'. How am I the only one that sees it that way?

I already mentioned agreeing on this

[Gamma Emerald]

Nope, it's too much, I can't deal. VOTE: SiteFlake

Nobody forces you to read my posts.

But you're a player in this game, if you're town it shouldn't be a hassle to read your posts

[Gamma Emerald]

Most of the wagons have been abs shite.
Seriously pooky, I really want chk to explain.

Then why are you voting so many

[Gamma Emerald]

Would you say the same thing about Titus? She did a 20 person reads list, too. I don't see you going as hard at her as you are at Iec.

Obviously my original statement about how valuable those lists are still stands, but Titus at least has been somewhat active in the thread, Iecerint popped in with a sparse bit of catch up and then posted that list.

I can't remember if I commented that my reading of Iecerint's catch up was that he seemed to spend a lot more time on reading than others were giving credit for.
I watched that catchup in real time and noticed that he was head down on the catchup and failing to notice my replies on material later than the catchup point. That implies a much higher degree of attention being spent than a quick read.

That’s an interesting point

[Gamma Emerald]

On the chk defense of IKS, it does look like trying to discount the entire wagon as a “troll wagon” when that’s not the truth.

[Gamma Emerald]

On the chk defense of IKS, it does look like trying to discount the entire wagon as a “troll wagon” when that’s not the truth.

I interpret it more of a wake up call to do something better with the time we have, not so much a defense.

Why is IKS not a good use of our time? When pressured they opted to start posting non-content rather than offer a defense, I think that’s more scum than town indicative.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm really sorry guys, my laptop just hard-crashed last night and I am posting from a back-up computer that I have very intermittent access to. There is no way I can have sufficient computer access to be able to play and I'm not going to have my new computer for at least a week. I think I need to request replacement. Hope ya'll have a good game.

I am almost prepared to lynch the spot than have someone come in, catch up, and get a read on them in a short period of time.

Wasn’t TD one of the ones you asked about their flavor?

[Gamma Emerald]

“Lack of content” is a bullshit point

[Gamma Emerald]

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I asked ya to ask I questions, and I guess you took that the wrong way hah~

Produce a reads list.

Sorry. Form of a question.

Produce a reads list?

Why is this so funny

[Gamma Emerald]

Looks like Lavender is at least self aware that her reads are kinda pulled from the aether...?

[Gamma Emerald]

my push on Iecerint, which was just as much a push on IKS as it was on Iecerint

It's day 1. I'm more concerned about the people that know who is what.

You are so scummy to bastardize that quote.

Hi this is silly

[Gamma Emerald]

1. This has been explained in like half my iso.
2. My reads are mostly unchanged since page ~30. My #2 is probably Walter right now, based on his facile approach to the IKS wagon, and NPOM's attitude toward IKS. IKS meta could have a big effect on this.

Idk how you could've missed it, but yeah I didn't read any of that. You can quote it, reiterate your case, or tell my why your vanity wagon is more important than majority.

Thaaaaanks.

post 720

...

Do you need to be so abrasive?

Yes.

Also, flip might be scum but I am definitely not facing a rage bot right now.

Remember that time you got super upset with Nero Cain?

Yeah, that time.

Mhm.

Do I, uh, need to call the kettle black here, or...?

IKS has no completed games. That was fast. <_<

Is IKS an alt then.

there is no way an account called "i keep siteflaking" is an alt

This one's funny, but for srs. If Lavender can post a read's list then so can you.

However, the quickness in how the wagons have been building is a concern.

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

Why is IKS not a good use of our time? When pressured they opted to start posting non-content rather than offer a defense, I think that’s more scum than town indicative.

What information do you gather from an IKS flip?

VOTE: IKS

VOTE: Lavender

What was the point of this?

I think an IKS flip should tell an awful lot about you, at the very least

[Gamma Emerald]

Dang Iec, that 1354 is pure awesome.

And yes, I'd much prefer NPOM over anyone else today.


VOTE: NPOM

1354 just leaves me lost

[Gamma Emerald]

screw it... Let's rip the band aid and hope its scum.

Dayvig: I Keep Siteflaking

I almost forgot about this

DAYDOC: IKS

WHY

[Gamma Emerald]

Claim up or ill vote you.

SpOoKy

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't know how many more chances I would get to use my day-doc ability

What about the dayvig you just blue balled? How do you think he feels?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: pisskop
lol okay

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like the NPOM wagon. Dude's just stubborn.

VC please

These votes are scrambling too much to see what wagons are changing to get a stronger feel for who is scum.

it's currently NPOM, IKS, and pisskop

[Gamma Emerald]

NPOM is top posting and I can't think of anything townie, let alone even a pretense of a defense other than "everyone voting me sucks."

Gamma's up there too and I can't think of much either way there.

a2rudeboy is in the top 3. He's probably town I guess, but I've essentially lost faith in this hunch he started the game with wrt NPOM and TD. I'm not afraid to admit that maybe I'm just not following it. I thought I was, but not now. If keeping NPOM around was helpful to town you'd think at the very least NPOM would put a little effort into not making everyone want to rip his face off.

I'm pretty much treating this game as a meme somewhat at least d1, that's why my signal to noise ratio is so low rn
I honestly expected to not be able to read even half of the game because of post volume, but I've actually managed to read the whole thing so far

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I hate people who spell it that way bcuz that's how the tiktokers would do it
it's sEduce

[Gamma Emerald]

that's for actual mafia gameplay
that's just side stuff

[Gamma Emerald]

-roll to reinstate BEF's DayVig-

d20

[Gamma Emerald]

d20
Let's try that again!

[Gamma Emerald]

Original Roll String: 1d20

1 20-Sided Dice: (13) = 13

[Gamma Emerald]

Rude and I have the same role flavor I can say that much.

How...?

[Gamma Emerald]

i dont think developer is normal role. its custom.

developer isn't normal but it's on the wiki

[Gamma Emerald]

My role is a sylized version of the wiki role.

Mine is too but that doesn't preclude more simplistic naming
what would you call a developer if you were to try and make it fit the flavor?

[Gamma Emerald]

You know that point that Titus was making, earlier in the game, in regards to using mod communications? I think your pushing that boundary and you need to stop immediately.

How?

[Gamma Emerald]

a50 town for his posts on page 66
(btw Lavender and anyone else who doesn't feel confident in their ability to read a50, you should generally trust my read on him as I at least have some idea of what I'm doing)

[Gamma Emerald]

then I think it's rather presumptive to think him not having a stylized role name is scum indicative? It's possible Baker couldn't think of anything on-brand and had to rock 'n' roll with the wiki name.

[Gamma Emerald]

I get my last abilities night 8 and night 10. This basically means, that there is no serial killer nor town killing role (perhaps one 1-shot vigi or one vengeful, but that is all). A really good idea to fake claim such role as scum, because I can get easily CCed by the amount of night kills.

there could be several kill stopping roles too

[Gamma Emerald]

what is the current votecount

outside IKS and NPOM pisskop is the only person with any votes

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like how pisskop has interacted with the other active weagons

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like how pisskop has interacted with the other active weagons

Why him over NPOM/Siteflake?

just because I thought it was a funny thing to do when expressed disinterest in both of the active wagons
I said this game was meme for me today.

[Gamma Emerald]

lolno

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: IKS
I think the points for NPOM staying outweigh the points for IKS staying

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would scum bus before a claim, especially when there was a seemingly valid counter to work with?
Possibly more importantly, what do you think about people who switched from NPOM vs. people who hadn't voted NPOM?

My thoughts: any new bussing (if any) is after claim, and probably not the first 1-2 after claim. Pre-claim bussing (if any) should be much earlier in the wagon before it got real, and people who had laid a foundation to not vote NPOM.

Anyone who switched off at the claim should probably be looked at
I expect scum thought the claim would work to dissuade voting a PR, especially one with such potential

[Gamma Emerald]

Decaf is probably good. If I'm scum and we're close to deadline I put more faith in nobody waking up early enough to hammer. She was the only one who posted in those last hours.

No point killing your buddy if you can do a no shred day and literally nobody can call you out for not hammering.

Very valid, probably managed to win a scumgame off site by missing deadline a fair few times (not intentionally, but had I been around I would have been put in a spot where I had to bus)

[Gamma Emerald]

That does it.

VOTE: I Keep Siteflaking

I am not really liking galron.
AlsoVOTE: unvote
I should stop hopping and make an actual contribution.
I don't like Icerint's list because it has a lot of town reads I feel like for this early in the day. pedit Coincidentally, now that I am looking at that list, slot's looker npom are reads I have a hard time with are listed as scum.

VOTE: WaltertheDunce10

Just vote Siteflake. You'll immediately feel better.

NB: If NPOM flips scum, I would be REALLY suspicious of DGB. It's VERY UNUSUAL for her to ignore someone who protects someone for outguessing flavor on D1. Her avoidance of NPOM all day is out of character for her.

Way to make me feel real self-conscious about this, Iecerint!

VOTE: NPOM

VOTE: iks

There's a counter. I am ok with him dying.

IKS is scum too.

VOTE: iks

There's a counter. I am ok with him dying.

IKS is scum too.

If both are scum reads to you, why join the smaller wagon? Asking for a friend.

Iecerint's case was convincing.

I will switch if necessary.

I don't intend to claim at all at least not today.

CLAIM STALL DETECTED

VOTE: NPOM

I believe AKS' claim. I don't know if it's scum or town, though. But I am willing to wait and see.

Starbuck is town.

Town mislynching my top townread is simply not happening. Any other questions?

I might have to switch my vote to you for this post.

Here is a list of people that aren't voting for scum NPOM:

BrightEyedFish
TiphaineDeath
Bambi Jay
Titus
Looker
pisskop
davesaz
I Keep Siteflaking
PookyTheMagicalBear
Gamma Emerald
a2rudeboy
Almost50

aka my vig list

Why are you defending him?

I just threatened to swing my vote back on him, if I'm defending him I'm not doing a good job.

Goofball seems to vote without a clear thought process. Also lack of quotes makes it hard to tell. Interesting to note while voting for Walter thae reply to someone was vote for iks. The claim stall is a bit weird. Other than that believes npom is scum. Considers to vote iks for that post on refusing to vote for npom. Neutral feeling
I am curious goofball if you believed both were scum why did you believe people who voted for other than npom deserve to be vigged?
pedit Do you mind pointing to where chkflip says that?

Yah this ain’t great
Also wanna look at chkflip for incessantly opposing the IKS wagon for rather questionable reasons

[Gamma Emerald]

yup

we got a lot of useful information out of the lynch

I believe in Democracy and the American way. Vigilantism is dangerous.

Valid response
Though I still think cockblocking someone’s dayvig when they were right is just not nice, if it went off as planned that would’ve been a shining moment for them
(I know it’s probably not real but still)

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would scum bus before a claim, especially when there was a seemingly valid counter to work with?
Possibly more importantly, what do you think about people who switched from NPOM vs. people who hadn't voted NPOM?

My thoughts: any new bussing (if any) is after claim, and probably not the first 1-2 after claim. Pre-claim bussing (if any) should be much earlier in the wagon before it got real, and people who had laid a foundation to not vote NPOM.

I disagree. Titus, for instance, was known to power-lynch partners and then ride the towncred. Ive done the same, tbh.

Actually Titus is on the record as being very anti-bus

[Gamma Emerald]

I see that point has been covered

[Gamma Emerald]

I know, right?

Would you say as scum Chk you are capable of emulating this attitude or is this more your town meta?

I wouldn't say "as scum" or "as town" I'm anything because everything that proceeds after sentences like those are complete WIFOM bullshit.

I will say that I'm always angry.

It looks like scum anger tho : )
VOTE: chkflip

[Gamma Emerald]

Goofball seems to vote without a clear thought process. Also lack of quotes makes it hard to tell. Interesting to note while voting for Walter thae reply to someone was vote for iks. The claim stall is a bit weird. Other than that believes npom is scum. Considers to vote iks for that post on refusing to vote for npom. Neutral feeling
I am curious goofball if you believed both were scum why did you believe people who voted for other than npom deserve to be vigged?
pedit Do you mind pointing to where chkflip says that?

I got excited because NPOM was claim stalling. Everyone knows how I feel about that; claim stalls are 100% scum all the time, no exception.

At the same time, I good good feels from IKS because he claimed quickly, and his role description has some parallels with mine.

But then someone pointed out that the Developper bit was not very guitaristy, and I started to think IKS had outed the scum flavor, but I couldn't be sure.

I think the flavor thing was pointed out well before that point
other than that, this makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

How does everyone know your position on claim stalls?

It's in his signature

[Gamma Emerald]

Starting from mod posted VC's only, as I certainly don't have time to generate a complete flow. Timestamps are again UTC-7 my local time, you will see different times for the same posts according to your timezone.

Note: the commentary on changes between VC's is between them, so commentary precedes the VC it's about.

Starting point for this analysis:

Spoiler: vc

Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:04:06 pm
I Keep Siteflaking (7): NoPowerOverMe, Gamma Emerald, Doctor Drew, BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Almost50, WaltertheDunce10
Galron (4): Starbuck, davesaz, a2rudeboy, Bambi Jay
Doctor Drew (4): I Keep Siteflaking, chkflip, PookyTheMagicalBear, pisskop
WalterTheDunce10 (2): Galron, Looker
chkflip (1): DrippingGoofball
TiphaineDeath (1): Titus
NoPowerOverMe (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (1): Lavender

A big wagon on NPOM comes up over the next two days. IKS remains in the lead. WalterTheDunce10 leaves and Bambi Jay enters. It makes sense to look at reasons for all the people going onto NPOM. I know that Iecerint made a case, and that a lot of people said that case was their reason, but I have not paid much attention to exactly who. IKS importantly is not on NPOM.

Spoiler: VC

Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:18:32 pm
I Keep Siteflaking (7): NoPowerOverMe, Gamma Emerald, Doctor Drew, BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Almost50, Bambi Jay
NoPowerOverMe (6): Iecerint, Lavender, Starbuck, WaltertheDunce10, PookyTheMagicalBear, Galron
Doctor Drew (2): I Keep Siteflaking, chkflip
Lavender (2): a2rudeboy, Titus
Galron (1): davesaz
WalterTheDunce10 (1): Looker
chkflip (1): DrippingGoofball

Not Voting (1): pisskop

This gap is 1 day 7 hours or so, and personal note I was basically unavailable during this time on a fishing trip. I skimmed this gap and part of the next one up to my vote on Sunday.

NPOM wagon changes: PookyTheMagicalBear leaves, DGB joins, chkflip joins, pisskop joins
IKS wagon changes: NPOM leaves, Gamma leaves, Titus joins, looker joins.
Wagon leavers: PookyTheMagicalBear goes to pisskop, NPOM goes to pisskop. Interesting how both of the people being wagoned go to pisskop here.

Spoiler: VC

Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:38:24 pm
NoPowerOverMe (8): Iecerint, Lavender, Starbuck, WaltertheDunce10, Galron, DrippingGoofball, chkflip, pisskop
I Keep Siteflaking (7): Doctor Drew, BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Almost50, Bambi Jay, Titus, Looker
pisskop (4): NoPowerOverMe, I Keep Siteflaking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): davesaz, a2rudeboy

Time gap here is a little under a day. I was still gone over half of it.

IKS wagon changese: Drew leaves, A50 leaves, pisskop joins, I join after returning from fishing (

note: NPOM is in the lead at that point

), NPOM joins
NPOM wagon changes: Drew joins

Spoiler: VC

Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:57:58 pm
NoPowerOverMe (8): Iecerint, Lavender, Starbuck, WaltertheDunce10, Galron, DrippingGoofball, chkflip, Doctor Drew
I Keep Siteflaking (8): BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Bambi Jay, Titus, Looker, pisskop, davesaz, NoPowerOverMe
pisskop (3): I Keep Siteflaking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): a2rudeboy, Almost50

Changes: Gamma (from pisskop), Walter (from NPOM), and Starbuck (from NPOM) go on IKS.

Spoiler: VC

Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:49:03 am
SHREDDED I Keep Siteflaking (11): BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Bambi Jay, Titus, Looker, pisskop, davesaz, NoPowerOverMe, Gamma Emerald, WaltertheDunce10, Starbuck
NoPowerOverMe (6): Iecerint, Lavender, Galron, DrippingGoofball, chkflip, Doctor Drew
pisskop (2): I Keep Siteflaking, PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting (2): a2rudeboy, Almost50

Things I see in this data:

The last 3 voters on IKS moved over less than 12 hours from the end and 2/3 of them came from NPOM wagon. Deadline was early in the day for US timezones. I don't know where everyone lives so it's hard to draw any conclusion from timing.

Gamma apparently had an 8 vs 8 choice and could have chosen NPOM. I doubt Gamma is bussing from the time flow, but would need to examine the posts to go deeper on that.

Walter was on IKS much earlier, left and came back near the end. This is a potential scum pattern, in particular leaving the CW at the tipping point, which needs a deeper look at the reasons given for the votes.

The reason to look at Starbuck would be to investigate the idea of a hammer for town cred. Someone made a reference to getting up early being unlikely for scum who could let it go for a no-shred. It's 6am from my timezone but that's 9am for Eastern US and late in the day for Europe. I think it's a big conclusion jump to think getting up early has anything to do with it unless you know a particular player's timezone. At E-1 at deadline, writing is on the wall and it's a tradeoff between the pain of hammering vs. not being sure if anyone knows or will figure out you ran out the clock. I don't think we can rule out a bus here. On the flip side, it's a pretty towny move.

For the last 3, I think Gamma is unlikely to be bussing, Walter's pattern could be bussing based on having been on IKS early and coming back very late, and Starbuck's vote is actually NAI because either alignment would probably do the same in that situation.

I probably better wrap this up and come back with more in another post. It's 77 lines in notepad and that's with the paragraphs counting as one.

Where was the claim in this sequence
I agree that Walter's movement does match expected scum movement though

[Gamma Emerald]

Dave vs CHK is DEFINITELY not scum v scum, unless one of them is 3P, and I am inclined to townread Dave for this.

I don't particularly agree, it could be distancing, and I do think chk has a point about what would have counted as analysis
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm interested in hearing more on this if you can provide

[Gamma Emerald]

@Pooky Eeeeeeh? When he is also a strong scum power roll himself? Logic does not really hold up.

why can't npom be an even stronger scum PR?

Doesn't really make sense imo for IKS-scum to not vote/push the only other fairly viable wagon at that point in time to keep himself alive.

this is very true, if NPOM had a role that is useful NOW it would be worth more than IKS' role that would be useful LATER

[Gamma Emerald]

Or my role could be totally worthless.

why does it matter, the talk only matters for the scenario of you being scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Scumslips are often weak, and yes this one is weak too, but it feels soooooo much like it's written straight from a scum perspecetive. So, so much.

"Or MY role could be totally worthless."

yeah it's a sort of smug that I think is scum lording their extra knowledge over us, I did call out that fhpov that response wasn't needed

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: NPOM

[Gamma Emerald]

based on what's been going on so far that is at least very tenuous

[Gamma Emerald]

That's because scum is focusing on me for distraction.

No it's because your play style, at least so far, at least seems tangentially scummy, doesn't offer up much, AND frustrates people. You are a safe wagon for scum, because they can hop on at almost any point. You will always be wagoned nearly-every day.

My suggestion, is if you are ACTUALLY town, to dramatically alter your style and interactions.

Otherwise, like i said, it's going to be wash, rinse, repeat, of this every day. If you are scum, you are making this actively difficult for yourself. If you are 3P, than good riddance anyways. If you are town, you are actively hurting the town.

Now, I'm going to the bar.

I find it interesting YOU are posting this. What happened to your flavor speculation?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma and Tiph don't give a FUCK where their vote goes, eh?

Fascinating.

I’ve voted TWICE this day phase
Fuck off with your half-baked shading attempts.

[Gamma Emerald]

The reason to look at Starbuck would be to investigate the idea of a hammer for town cred. Someone made a reference to getting up early being unlikely for scum who could let it go for a no-shred. It's 6am from my timezone but that's 9am for Eastern US and late in the day for Europe. I think it's a big conclusion jump to think getting up early has anything to do with it unless you know a particular player's timezone. At E-1 at deadline, writing is on the wall and it's a tradeoff between the pain of hammering vs. not being sure if anyone knows or will figure out you ran out the clock. I don't think we can rule out a bus here. On the flip side, it's a pretty towny move.

Just noticed this when Starbuck responded to it, I already referenced an offsite scumgame where I was conveniently not around at times where my vote would have likely or definitely put my buddy over the edge, the best cover for not hammering is having random interferences in your schedule
tbh I'm not sure that helps, I just really felt like speaking up.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm actually SUPER ok with the idea of NPOM and CHK both being scum here. Like, legendarily ok with it.

What does your being okay with it mean for anything?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lavender needs to shit or get off the pot.

Dunno what this means


I was going to post yesterday and fell asleep...
Still tired, so going back to sleep now

VOTE: Lavender
The beetlejuicing is strong with this one.

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 2.03

I'm back! Put the juice in the box!

NoPowerOverMe (4): Iecerint, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald, Starbuck
WalterTheDunce10 (3): BrightEyedFish, pisskop, davesaz
Looker (2): NoPowerOverMe, chkflip
TiphaineDeath (1): Looker
Lavender (1): a2rudeboy
chkflip (1): TiphaineDeath

Not Voting (7): Galron, DrippingGoofball, Lavender, Bambi Jay, WaltertheDunce10, Almost50, Doctor Drew

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to shred someone.
Day Two ends on Wednesday, October 14th 2020 at 12:00pm EST in (expired on 2020-10-14 12:00:00)

I quite like this meme actually
I’m saving it to my phone. It’s mine now.

[Gamma Emerald]

I would recommend a vig on this instance of gamma.

Why???

[Gamma Emerald]

Wagon's too fast.

You said the same about IKS, IKS flipped scum. Wanna go for seconds?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yep! I'd be delighted to be wrong twice.

Keep me on my toes.

Good answer tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

• I went skydiving today and passed my AFF Lvl 1 jump!
  
• In other news, chkflip is "angry"

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VOTE: Looker

Fuck busywork posting.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Oh hey we agree on something. Plus, who puts "line" tags in their posts? Someone who cares more about post formats than having actual positions.

He does this in all of his games.

It's the lack of scumhunting and actual analysis within the formatting that I have a problem with. He's just prodding, sometimes aimlessly, to look busy. Very little followthrough on questions which shows he doesn't actually give a shit about the answer. He just wants the air of doing something productive without actually being as much.

I think that's giving me a little too much credit.

---

• Arrogant victim
  
• Headfirst into a shallow pool
  
• Ineffective opportunist
  
• Literally anything that's actually content
  
• pisskop gets my jokes!

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

Rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric, but things get moving when we actually have some votes. Make your own decisions over these hapless idiots.

Is it cool to be a jackass? Because you seem to think so.

[Gamma Emerald]

IKS who is scum?

Drew
Pisskop



Gamma
others
chkflip

rude



NPOM
me

Rule of three points to a likelihood of there being scum in this readslist, actually. I've reason to believe it ain't rude or NPOM, so one of Drew/piss/Gamma might flip red homies.

Lav doesn't make it to endgame.

Walter is town by meta.

Unsure on any of Drew/piss/Gamma. Anyone got townreads there they wanna share?

Ro3 doesn’t exactly make sense, there’s no explicit set of three there

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you being so awkward about it?

Rule of three only requires three names grouped together to work.

Yes and the only thing even approaching a “group of three” is the name block “Gamma, others, chkflip” which isn’t a group of 3 because “others” isn’t a specific person
And “Drew, pisskop, Gamma” doesn’t count because there’s a break in it

[Gamma Emerald]

I had always thought rule of three applied only to a group of "same read type", i.e. "I TR x, y & z" or "I SR a, b & c". But you do you.

Correct. Though it isn't out of the realm of possibility that "these two are scum and this one is null scum" can fall under the same umbrella rule.

It’s bending the rule though, it looks like you’re reaching for content

[Gamma Emerald]

Once again being a fucking dickhead instead of actually, y'know, remotely attempting to refute anything I have to say.

This, again, isn't about the way you post.

It's about the way you don't fucking followup.

You know who else lacks any sort of follow-up?
Lavender. She posts a few times, and then vanishes until the next time someone summons her. That’s a straight-up scum posting method.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lavender is engaged.

No. I generally find your content towny, but this just isn’t true.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lavender is playing a textbook Creature!scum game and some people don’t see the problem with it
Looker is more likely just tactless town than scum imo
chkflip is filibustering the main wagons. Why did it take him so long to start looking at IKS for info? It’s a farce.
NPOM says the same things over and over again and expects people to fill in the blanks for him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Five days. I looked into it five days into the phase when it became obvious y'all are super content with terrible lhf wagons. What's the farce is when people said there was info there and then proceeded to not fucking use it.

You do understand what filibuster actually means, right? Because IKS was filibustering. I'm posting actual reads, engaging as many people as I can, and making sure we don't throw the phase on bad play by shredding, here it comes again, lhf.

This is Lavender's town game. Sorry you're unfamiliar and I'm well aware that the slot is difficult to deal with and not exactly helpful. They will not be making it to endgame but another zero-info flip doesn't help us rn.

This is Walter's town game. Sorry you're unfamiliar and, while not as much teeth pulling is required, it's pretty sunshine clear that he also steadily falls under the lhf category. Sorry not sorry.

I have reason to believe someone here said a thing about NPOM and am not willing to shred there just yet either.

tbf if today hadn't started out as it did I might have looked at it
Also, you say "IKS was filibustering" but back when that was actively happening you were standing with him. Don't try to revise your actions to put yourself on the right side of history.
I don't care what Lavender's towngame is as I'm not acquainted enough with it to know it. What I do know is she's only doing the bare minimum to not have everyone want her head, then dipping without any attempts to continue the thought processes she has expressed beforehand. That's commonly recognized as Creature's scumgame, but it's also just a scumgame generally. Walter I haven't pushed myself so I can't speak on it. The only person who "said a thing" on NPOM in the way you're indicating is rudeboy, and he's walked that back by now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lavender is engaged.

No. I generally find your content towny, but this just isn’t true.

It was more a comment of recent activity. I was surprised enough to make a note of it.

It's paper-thin though. I will bet you dollars-to-donuts Lavender won't continue any of the engagement shown there, and just post whatever is called of her the next time she is summoned into the thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

why wouldnt scum just choose to push NPOM instead? why even get rid of IKS?

NPOM was a stronger PR than IKS?

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum dbg for sure if they think looker is town and lav is scum

"You're evil if you disagree" is the core of mafia.

is it bad I want to keep him around just to watch you insult him?

Awful
Looker, what did you make of my reply, then?

That you don't know? I don't think Starbuck or chkflip will find that answer acceptable.

Spoiler:

• Racially, this should be reversed.
  
• If anything, this should be me watching "Mad chkflip" self-destruct.
  • I also feel his phony distress is manufactured.

Ah you're right NPOM, I read that incorrectly, well who's the scum on your wagon?

And uh, before chkflip explodes once more, just gonna VOTE: Looker ( ⚆ _ ⚆ )

Are they screaming at you in the scum PT? "I'm going to vote Looker sO ChKfLiP IsN't aNgRy" lmao Don't make it too easy

Galron
*Was one of the first to vote IKS. "Out of the gate scummy"
*Criticized Lookers read list early day 1.
*Said he wasn't on NPOM due to rude. Then voted NPOM.
TR: a2, Ice, piss, npom, chk
Votes: IKS, Walter, NPOM, Walter
My Read: Solid Town. Not making rash judgements.

I don't make D1 read lists - are you sure he criticized me and not someone else? Also, I'm excited for Part 2.

Spoiler:

I actually think looker is town. just a really bored town. I wish he'd take the game more cereal.

I don't understand how you can be "bored town" when you haven't even been here other than to sling insults.

Just the formatting alone in the post SB mentioned doesn't give me the "bored" vibe.

Formatting is fun.

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• chkflip doesn't like my responses, so he calls them handwaving. (If I spoke Spanish and he spoke English, would the fact that I'm not speaking English mean I'm not speaking?) Either way, I'm not handwaving.
  
• More fake outrage and profanity from chkflip. He feigns he knows how every townie plays; clearly he does not. Interestingly votes me because he feels others haven't answered my questions.
  
• It would also be easier to take chkflip seriously if he were actually on IKS's wagon. As it stands, I feel he's bringing up things now he didn't before (as in all of D1), as a distraction. I'm still capable of enjoying the game, though.
  
• I have no idea what Gamma's talking about. Him calling me a jackass is weird - I don't get it. Maybe it's a 'fight fire with fire' type deal, but I never insulted anyone to being with, so I really don't get his angle. Weak.
  
• More chkflip "irritation"
  • "Anger gets shit done" Not really believable
• "Tactless" jab from Gamma

3 more

I feel like the quips at the bottom of your posts only serve to be inflammatory
They're not adding anything, they're purely just reactive commentary, and it's not nice stuff

[Gamma Emerald]

Read List part 2



Lavender
*Uses lots of emojis
*Says contributing is "hard".
TR: Galron, TD, Gamma, Walter SR: Looker
Vote: NPOM, Looker
My Read: Not the best grammar, but they seem to be cognitavally transparent. Mild Town.

Bambi Jay
*Asks A50 to tell him his role.
*Doesn't like lurkers
*Saves energy for day 2.
*Worried about naked voting.
*Posts infrequently.
TR: Starbuck
Vote: Leia, IKS, Galron, IKS, NPOM
My Read: Probably town by POE.

TiphaneDeath
*Against quick wagons
*Says a lot without actually taking firm positions.
*Dave vs. Chk is not svs
SR: NPOM, Leia, Dave, TR: Pooky, Gamma, Pooky
Vote: Titus, Bambi, NPOM, Bambi, NPOM, Pooky, Leia, NPOM, IKS, Chk, NPOM, chk
My read: Seems to be fence sitting except with regards to me. Would like more fluffless content. Null.

WaltertheDunce
*Accuses TD of not contributing but not a great contributer himself.
*Has role known by others(role flavor)
*Doesn't like ice's read list.
*Think most wagons have been "shit."
TR: Gamma, TD SR: Galron, Bambi
Vote: DGB, IKS, Galron, Bambi, IKS, chk, NPOM, IKS
My read: Pretty towny overall

BrightEyedFish
*Agrees with rude on NPOM flavor.
*Confirmed band invite.
TR: Rude, A50, NPOM, Gamma, Looker, pisskop, Starbuck SR: dave, Walter
Vote: TD, Starbuck, TD, IKS, Walter
My read: not a lot of posts but those posts he does make are heavy content. Like his reads. Strong town.

can you post all of these in spoiler= tags alongside a full readlist when you're done?

[Gamma Emerald]

so why wouldnt we elim NPOM?

what are even trying to argue here?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like the quips at the bottom of your posts only serve to be inflammatory
They're not adding anything, they're purely just reactive commentary, and it's not nice stuff

Yet, it is those very quips that are at the basis of my game crush on Looker.

why? does it mean anything for his alignment, if so, why?

@CHK at this point I feel like you're being contrarian/confrontational. You and IKS are/were filibustering in different ways, IKS mucked up the game with nonsense, you're hard-redirecting the energy of the game. And again, don't like you trying to imply you had any part in the push against IKS, at least at any of the key points. You yourself admitted you didn't have an idea of what lavender's scumgame looks like, so I think you can't really blast me for disregarding your points about her towngame. And if you don't mean rudeboy who DO you mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

@CHK at this point I feel like you're being contrarian/confrontational.

That's not necessarily scum, but with chkflip, it feels like Tasmanian Devil levels of unproductive confrontation.

I'm the same way wrt it being a scum thing generally, but it feels like he's trying to redirect from something, which makes him probable scum.
idk what you mean by Tazmanian Devil though

[Gamma Emerald]

is that regarding spec or suggesting people to rep in?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's totally okay to try to bring in people you think would want to play. It's been done plenty in the past.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't want scum to gain an advantage based on suggesting replace one.

In

How do you suggest they would go about that, in theory?

[Gamma Emerald]

Should players have a say in mod level decisions? No. Does really matter that much in this case? No.

If the mod is struggling to find someone I think the players are well within their right to find/suggest people that they think would want to play
would you rather that or a slot remain unfilled for longer than it has to, potentially needing a modkill?

[Gamma Emerald]

If I was scum I'd request replacement of a player I had rapport with.

These are public requests, do you not think town could read into such things?

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda think this outburst is +town for you though

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda think this outburst is +town for you though

Is it??? I think it's the opposite. I may have to rescind my recantation.

Why? I think it's off the wall in a way that just doesn't seem to serve scum at all, and it's a weird thing for scum to fake concern about.

[Gamma Emerald]

would you allow players to privately bring on other players (they PM the player they want to join, and that player messages you with a replacement request)? That's the thing I see done commonly compared to what you're talking about.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's try something else chk, you cool with lynching pook tomorrow if looker's town? Or is that still not allowed?

@Pook, As said, I think there is a higher probability chance that you+chk are scum than looker is, but depending on what information I can create it may be reasonable for me to join the looker wagon.

Do you want my input on what the logical chain of action is here or no

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's try something else chk, you cool with lynching pook tomorrow if looker's town? Or is that still not allowed?

@Pook, As said, I think there is a higher probability chance that you+chk are scum than looker is, but depending on what information I can create it may be reasonable for me to join the looker wagon.

Do you want my input on what the logical chain of action is here or no

I wanna hear.

Sure, talk to me gamma.

My thought process would be yeet Looker, if scum move on else vote out lavender/someone else who chk pushed away from D2, if that selection flips scum we vote out chk not really for being more likely to be scum, but because he's pushed away from scum twice and as such is turning out to be a liability

[Gamma Emerald]

Now that I am looking at that band that band as a whole looks rather scummier than town.

Scum points for DGB, Lavender, Fish, Drew, and Dave.

huh???

[Gamma Emerald]

Is the term band just in reference to the fact that group was also in that game or are you hinting something else

[Gamma Emerald]

No, no you don't get to slide on that with EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'VE FUCKING DONE. That last NPOM sequence with A50 screams scum so fucking hard, I am done with ALL of this nonsense. VOTE: npom

uh how

[Gamma Emerald]

also I see what was meant by band
were they all in that one game though?

[Gamma Emerald]

also I see what was meant by band
were they all in that one game though?

Which game? Big 4?

the manatee game

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma, also really @all read the two posts I referenced, realize they are a scumclaim, then vote NPOM.

I can kinda see it as scummy, but I don't think it's at the level of scumclaim. I have seen mafia use bass ackwards meta to try to push their reads before, so I definitely know the tendency is there, but I'm not convinced it's 100% scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

Scum points for DGB, Lavender, Fish, Drew, and Dave.

So you're slaying it's fluff and not an actual faction?

The whole scenario seems very suspicious.

I'm not saying everyone in the band is scum or 3P. I'm saying it doesn't look like a pro town "faction" as a whole, and right now it looks scummier than town.

It wouldn't make sense to post your entire anti-town team in the main thread, after all.

I don't really get your point here?
I think it was just a joke as well with the Heal tags and all. 【・_・?】

It sounds to me like manufacturing paranoia, +1 scum point

Spoiler:

Scum points for DGB, Lavender, Fish, Drew, and Dave.

So you're slaying it's fluff and not an actual faction?

The whole scenario seems very suspicious.

I'm not saying everyone in the band is scum or 3P. I'm saying it doesn't look like a pro town "faction" as a whole, and right now it looks scummier than town.

It wouldn't make sense to post your entire anti-town team in the main thread, after all.

I don't really get your point here?
I think it was just a joke as well with the Heal tags and all. 【・_・?】

It sounds to me like manufacturing paranoia, +1 scum point

Sounds to me like scum looking at all the top wagons being in their team and needing to do something, anything, to change the game state.

@DGB + Dave, are you two saying the same thing or different things?

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda got that, but are the things you're saying mutually exclusive at all?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: NPOM
Yeah I’m good with this.
Can’t wait to see what BS reason chk finds to avoid this

[Gamma Emerald]

I can say for sure if I was scum, I would never defend or soft defend CHK-scumbuddy because CHK would tell me to fuck off

Huh???

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not certain what is meant by “CHK-scumbuddy”

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wow that does sound stupid, I’m gonna guess that was 2016 or close to then?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, THANK YOU! can we vote him now?

Nah, I'm more interested in the link between you and Looker, who's elimination that you're working to distract from.

Except the Looker lim itself felt like it was chk’s attempt to distract from lav/NPOM

[Gamma Emerald]

Doesn't go for the LHF.

Why do you say this about chkflip? Looker is kinda LHF, going after one LHF over another isn’t towny.

[Gamma Emerald]

I disagree that it explains my behavior. To some extent I feel that, due to my flavor, I am not playing for the end game like some other players might with other roles.

Curious, I kinda had that mindset myself when I first started in this game
Since you already have a player who knows all or part of your flavor, do you mind claim what band your flavor is a part of? Either that or the song included would be good.

[Gamma Emerald]

You know I just had a thought and can also kinda see NPOM as potentially Town myself. Chkflip, however, is still not good.

@NPOM I want to see if I can understand how your flavor impels you to play a certain way.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: chkflip
Meant to do this in the last post but getting PEdited distracted me

[Gamma Emerald]

Last VC just showed 1 person there, did you vote since then?

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant our role name flavor not the band name.

This is NOT what I expected the situation to be. I thought you had the same artist but counted as part of two different bands.
Is there a way you can disclose the role flavor without exposing your powers? I can see certain cases where the same/different role flavor can mean something, but as things are I don't think that's the case here. I won't get to deep into it rn but this is a point where my tendency to reference individual games for things (anecdotal meta is what I tend to call it) comes in handy.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like Gamma's idea of giving chkflip two free kills.

yeah this is why I voted chkflip over going back to lavender, I realized he's kinda playing in a way that suggests an agenda, specifically that thing I called out of opting to push specific LHF. It looks like that's his actual plan, idk exactly what his intent is though I have some ideas, but the key point is I want to vote him rather than potentially play into his hand.

[Gamma Emerald]

Politely asking to stop role discussion.

Is the chkflip wagon developing to try and save scum!Looker?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really mind the links, though I think he should strive to make the text more indicative of what the link is about, just posting a name as the link text doesn't really help

[Gamma Emerald]

I won't be voting Looker but I won't oppose it as long as it's the leading wagon like this.

[Gamma Emerald]

I won't be voting Looker but I won't oppose it as long as it's the leading wagon like this.

So hypothetically we fast forward 8 days plus time to replacement, we get a no-elim from you?

If Looker was still the leading wagon at

that

point with no changes at all to how things are now, I'd vote him then because the flip would at least tell me whether I've have my head in my ass today. But there's no realistic chance of that happening, if the day goes on that long it's because the topic will have changed.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not abandoning Looker for the first opportunity that comes by. I see your shade of me, but there is something going on with TD and I'd like to explore it since we have like 8 days left.

Could you detail it a bit?

[Gamma Emerald]

looking at what TD has said, honestly I think starbucks push there kinda sux
Like yeah he hasn't been consistent but it doesn't make him scum, and it seems starbuck is pushing random angles against TD and seeing what sticks

[Gamma Emerald]

why the fuck would they make you do that, that just seems like a shitty work environment

[Gamma Emerald]

Test test, a bit of a test, but I think I may have just confused myself.
Had something something did today, so I can’t focus focus right now ...

Can we shred this yet?