Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: DGB

Guitarists, ahem....rock.

And hello Pooky, so happy to see you

[Doctor Drew]

I am locking my vote on the next person who posts a Meatloaf video.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: I Keep Siteflaking

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Titus This was a mistake; there are way too many people to keep up with.

Is this an attempt at an RVS vote? Or...?

[Doctor Drew]

Btw I’m pretty sure if Pooky starts to make a lot of sense that means he is scum

Well, I certainly know townPooky doesn't like to make a whole lot of sense.

Luv ya boo

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: I Keep Siteflaking

Listen, I know you're 3P, That's a given. Now are you pro-town, pro-scum, or a survivor?

Imo survivor is a pro-scum third party
Unjester is one I’d probably consider neutral

Than consider me an unjester.

I mean, claiming 3p in a Baker modded game is a pretty good way to make sure you don't get shredded, amirite DGB

Also DGB...why do Rude and A50 have to be buddies?

[Doctor Drew]

Going back to NPOM/Rude, I can't get the logic about why they would be scum buddies. Why would Rude so blatantly protect NPOM, wouldn't the potential shredding of NPOM just implicate Rude if NPOM is scum.

I really can't see them as scum/scum(unless they are trying some sort of crazy WIFOM gambit, or there is some weird role/modifier that NPOM has that requires him to make it through the Day).

I could see ScumRude protecting TownNPOM for town credibility, but I will give Rude the benefit of the doubt that he would be a more more subtle if he was going that route.

I just feel the most logical thing is that it is town/town and Rude has a bit of insider info, this also could be a little bit of BakerLevelBastard 3p thing...I know I have been cult in one of his games.

In conclusion, I basically just talked myself in a circle and am not sure now lol.

Thoughts?

[Doctor Drew]

Ledge

Hmm?

[Doctor Drew]

Rude isn't just guessing he has an actual reason for protecting me.

I think I basically said he has a reason, just not exactly sure on the reason.

But your response basically confirms that it can't be scum protecting town.

[Doctor Drew]

Leia, you are Hectic aren't you?

[Doctor Drew]

Who are your lockTOWN picks?

I am not revealing this as they can easily be kicked out if I find them to be bad guys

Kind of think this is a personal wincon, and not town wincon.

[Doctor Drew]

if locktown is a band. it is a ska band, and i have dibs on drummer/

once more, get those votes off NPOM

Also, Pooky said rock band...Baker has been very clear this is a game about metal guitarists, and would have said as much in a role PM to Pooky.

Probs not a real claim, but I don't hate it.

Also, get that ska shit out of here.

Pre Edit: If real, yes. Also, DGB lowkey wanting to help a potential 3p wincon?? Bastard game indeed.

[Doctor Drew]

315 is a slip - not a town reaction.

I am inclined to agree but I don't think I really understand why
Like I think we might have different reasons to think that

I don't even get why this is a slip? I definitely can get why you would want to kill Pooky, he can be aggravating(all love bae, I do believe you are town)

I also believe Leia's push on TD to be complete shit.

Also, I love sheeping Titus.

VOTE: Leia

Pre Edit: Seems more fuck you rather than caught scum.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: TiPhaine
pedit Alright. That is what I thought on the death thing

Plus. I should add that this game has barely begun. We have ten days.
Be the change you want to see is my take on things like this.

Weird progression here.

[Doctor Drew]

My second post is an addon to 393.
I was just pointing out to Tiphaine that it is still early D1
What D1 is not a crapshoot?

What do you find weird Drew?

You went from voting him, to saying 'hey let's pump the brakes a bit'.

Not saying it is something, just makes me raise an eyebrow.

Pre Edit: Well this definitely is townPooky lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Also, weird that you would vote for someone and seemingly give them an out.

[Doctor Drew]

Alright.
Is pooky usually this much of a banterer?
Tiph seems the type to aggravate easily.
Just pointing out that self-defeatism is not a healthy trait.
he thinks people are acting stupid and my point was that it is early D1 and posts tend not to be high-quality things yet.
He just sounds frustrated as fuck and I want to know to what extent it seems real.

This isn't the issue I have with your posts I quoted.

And yes, Pooky is a bit of an ass lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I also believe Leia's push on TD to be complete shit.

Why would I be doing it if it was complete shit?

Seems obvious.

[Doctor Drew]

Titus calling me important looks like pocketing to me. It's also weird that she votes me at the same time of saying that.

VOTE: Titus

Ridiculous or scummy? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Considering Leia has done some weird attempts at pocketing me...I will go with scummy.

[Doctor Drew]

339 is satire. Some of youse are scum reading Leia for having fun and some others of y'all are scum reading TD for something nai.

Elaborate on 339.

[Doctor Drew]

Tbh, seems to lack the intelligence of Hectic(no offense Leia).

[Doctor Drew]

I really don't see any scum hunting from NPOM, seems just to be defensive and more willing to 'prove' he isn't scum rather than trying to figure out who is scum.I do still think town, but my read is starting to waiver.

TD, on the other hand, got real angry and defensive, but at least he is trying now and giving some reads. And as stated, Leia's push on TD is just shit and I don't get town motivation-vibes from it.

Gamma and BEF. I can never get a good read on A50...what is it that makes you think he is probTown?

[Doctor Drew]

Im interested in some of the non-posters.

ice
lavander
siteflake

Im looking extra-foreward to the first two.

I do agree with you here, Lavender is normally pretty lurky but this is extreme even for her.

You did quote some siteflake posts, thought you would have had am opinion on them one way or another.

[Doctor Drew]

I dont feel like he's been here enough. I think he's just popping in to prodge.

Almost double the posts of Titus, who you seem to be very opinionated about.

[Doctor Drew]

Ive known titus for years, Long enough to know when she isnt fully engaged. I'll double back through siteflakes iso though

Fair enough, just seemed a bit odd.

Tbf, I have felt Titus hasn't fully committed to this game yet.

[Doctor Drew]

Dave, why is it you can't get a read on PK or myself when one has been decently active the whole game(me) and the other has provided content in a short time(PK).

Not a loaded question, generally curious.

And I hate how the wagon formed on SiteFlake, but I also kinda hate Siteflake. Gets wagoned and basically has done nothing to convince people that they are barking up the wrong tree, at least TD seemed to care and eventually posted reads.

[Doctor Drew]

NPOM I dunno, maybe you should actually do something townie?

Sounds crazy I know.

Pre Edit: So you are saying that your reads are 100% the opposite of Icerint's?

[Doctor Drew]

D1 scumhunting bores me, and is usually a 50/50 crapshoot anyways.

Sorry should have clarified that I was referring to NPOM with both points.

And I am with you, but NPOM has barely even put in an effort. The same can be said for Siteflake since he is here as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11344630

I have seen enough.

VOTE: Siteflake

[Doctor Drew]

• Who is Nono?

---

Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11344630

If I scrub that playerlist for who hasn't posted in a game in a while, will I figure out who you are?

VOTE: davesaz

What the fuck even is this post?

[Doctor Drew]

Ok. I claim 3p. I win if everyone laughs in thread or PMs the mod they had a Berry good time.

Lol.....does that help?

I will do what I normally do, sheep the ladies.

VOTE: Nono

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, I feel like I am the only person here who knows what djent is.

[Doctor Drew]

Chk, first off welcome, but what is your opinion on Dave?

Personally he has seemed townie since replacing in, but I believed his original form(Leia) to be very scummy.

I feel like a fresh set of eyes on Leia could offer some new insight.

Also, as superficially scummy that NPOM has been, I feel like we should stay away from that lynch.

[Doctor Drew]

Chk, first off welcome, but what is your opinion on Dave?

Personally he has seemed townie since replacing in, but I believed his original form(Leia) to be very scummy.

I feel like a fresh set of eyes on Leia could offer some new insight.

Thanks. I hyper-skimmed the two pages up to this, so I don't have a read on the slot. What pinged you about Leia? I recall reading the Leia slot briefly when I messaged Bake about replacing in there, but I couldn't tell you I remember a single thing about what I'd read.

Also, as superficially scummy that NPOM has been, I feel like we should stay away from that lynch.

Elaborate.

Leia's case on TD was complete shit, thought she was an alt of an established player, but think she just was noobScum.

I feel like I have been in NPOM's shoes, strung up for superficial reasons when not actually scum. Maybe I am appealing to my own emotions here though lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Chk, Icerint basically quoted a bunch of posts from Leia that made me scum read her, was a shit case on TD. Thought she was kind of trolling, but she seemed to to really commit to it, so made me believe they were really trying to make a case.

As far as NPOM, he is saying things that I have said as town and got scum read for it. He is basically appealing to my emotions without even knowing it lol...which tbh, does make me take pause and wouldn't hate his lunch. But, I feel like rudeboy has some insider info that we should trust since I don't believe scum would stick their neck out for a buddy so directly.

[Doctor Drew]

Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11344630

I have seen enough.

VOTE: Siteflake

VOTE: Siteflake

Huh...? I can sorta see why but walk me through it

Is this directed at me or NPOM?

[Doctor Drew]

Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11344630

I have seen enough.

VOTE: Siteflake

VOTE: Siteflake

Huh...? I can sorta see why but walk me through it

Is this directed at me or NPOM?

Either, but preferably you

Siteflake's reaction to the snap wagon on him seemed odd in that he seemed to not care and/or knew it would just pass over, I feel town would get more defensive rather than play it cool. Calling out PK for the modkill thing reaked of 'let me find something in his meta to make him look bad', didn't seem genuine.

Ice, but he seems to know something we do not, and since I think Rude is town I would prefer to stay away from NPOM(though as said, I am not deadset against it).

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Siteflake

I am just going to stick to my guns.

Siteflake's reaction to being wagoned was so non-chalant that it is like he new it would pass(and if he is scum, good idea to look and see who was pushing alternate wagons). Imo, town would get at least somewhat defensive or do something to get votes off of them. The way Siteflake acted was almost like he had people to coach him and assure him that this wagon wasn't going anywhere.

And him calling out PK just reeked of 'let me find anything in his meta that can make him look bad'. How am I the only one that sees it that way?

I know I am kind of repeating a recent post of mine, but the timing of my wagon seems weird and I wanted to expand on a few of my thoughts. I just don't get the pushback on me.

[Doctor Drew]

I thought Gamma switched to me?

[Doctor Drew]

drew- unless i misread #1099

Oh I totally had a Mandela affect thing going on.

Why is that Chk?

[Doctor Drew]

I am not voting them because of the trolling, I am voting then because I think they are scum.

[Doctor Drew]

I want chk to explain rn.
VOTE: chkflip

I feel like chk doesn't think it is possible for scum to troll.

[Doctor Drew]

You guys have been riding his ass all day by the looks of the vote counts. That's gonna push people and make them feel a certain type of way. It's pretty simple shit, dude.

I feel like chk doesn't think it is possible for scum to troll.

Fascinating. Why aren't you voting dave with that mentality? Leia did nothing but troll.

Umm, I was voting Leia for awhile.

And as with Siteflake, I wasn't voting them for trolling...I was voting them because I thought Leia was scum.

Why are you protecting Siteflake by missrepping me? Remember when I asked you to take a look at Leia? Did you forget that already?

Pre Edit: Yes, I am not opposed to Dave.

[Doctor Drew]

Chk, Icerint basically quoted a bunch of posts from Leia that made me scum read her, was a shit case on TD. Thought she was kind of trolling, but she seemed to to really commit to it, so made me believe they were really trying to make a case.

As far as NPOM, he is saying things that I have said as town and got scum read for it. He is basically appealing to my emotions without even knowing it lol...which tbh, does make me take pause and wouldn't hate his lunch. But, I feel like rudeboy has some insider info that we should trust since I don't believe scum would stick their neck out for a buddy so directly.

Addressed the TD thing...maybe you need new glasses.

Again, the trolling thing is irrelevant to me. How they acted when appearing to be playing the game is the relevant thing.

[Doctor Drew]

My last post was @starbuck galrond.

This looks like you spelled Galron's name wrong intentionally which would in theory make us think you and Galron are less likely to be scum together, but in this case I don't see how you honestly make that spelling error.

This is very possibly failed distancing and a Tiphaine + Galron team.

Yeah, I am 1000% done with this. VOTE: Leia

this is a solid point

VOTE: TDeath

i can smell the fear from TDeath

he hasn't replied yet

VOTE: Tiphaine

I had a feeling he would omgus. I'm finally onto something solid!!

I am actually also 100% ok with me dying so I don't have to listen to either of those two anymore xD.

Re: Icerent's post I referenced.

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Apples and oranges much, BJ? You voted me because I still thought you were scummy. How that's relevant in this moment is beyond me, especially considering I was just as hostile in the early game there as I'm being here. Or any other game. Which is why the WK shade from Titus is borderline fucking laughable. She knows better. So do you.

Knock it off.

Addressed the TD thing...maybe you need new glasses.

"Oh what he said" is not admissible to me.

I asked because I looked and Leia didn't post a fucking case on Tiph.

This is also the third time I'll have asked to show where it was Leia appeared to be new. I'll double down now and ask why that was ever relevant to begin with.

Again, the trolling thing is irrelevant to me.

I feel like chk doesn't think it is possible for scum to troll.

Excuse me if I continue to press X to fucking DOUBT.

Well then, continue to vote me or kindly move to scum because I really hate this continued game of you just discounting me even before I even respond. Or more accurately, just discounting what I do say. And I thought she was a hectic alt, but then realized she probably wasn't...unless you can tell me she isn't, I feel she was noobscum.

Tell me why Siteflake isn't scummy and explain why you aren't protecting them.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, another missrep.

1197 was saying how independent of trolling, I find them to be scummy.

1179 I don't get how you don't think that scum can troll...especially when they have the guidance of their buddies.

[Doctor Drew]

And him calling out PK just reeked of 'let me find anything in his meta that can make him look bad'. How am I the only one that sees it that way?

I already mentioned agreeing on this

Ya, like I said, I had a Mandela affect about you and forgot you were agreeing with me lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion man.

unless you can tell me she isn't, I feel she was noobscum.

There's a post in there where she talks about changing the settings to see posts in hours:minutes:seconds. That's not something a non-alt typically knows. She also spoke about a few people alluding to having meta.

As much as I loathe secret alts, it didn't appear she was anything but that. A secret character alt at that. The worst of the form.

Tell me why Siteflake isn't scummy and explain why you aren't protecting them.

Memeing/trolling in and of itself isn't scummy. I've seen most of you do it. As town. It's an easy mis-shred. I'm stopping us from wasting a phase on an easy mis-elim. Explain how that's scummy. Also, cite somewhere where I give a fuck about my partners as scum so much to stick my Goddamn neck out for them when nobody had a read on me. That's stupid. Don't be stupid.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Forget about the trolling and look at his content.

[Doctor Drew]

In addition, short posts don't equate to a lack of content. Sometimes people need to take a look at what's not being said.

I agree that short vs. long isn't an intrinsic dividing line on content. Content or not is substantially about whether a post advances the game state in some way or not. A short post that shows your read or seeks information to form a read is content. A long post that offers no insight or information on how to read people in this game isn't.

I'm not sure how to interpret "what's not being said" in an online and asynchronous context like a forum. When in-person and you can see someone is present (not just physically but mentally) then silence can be interpreted, perhaps as agreement or no opinion. But in this format, silence can just as easily be interpreted as absence or not paying attention.

Linking back to the other parts of this post that I didn't quote, I saw what seemed to be a high ratio of short posts which didn't seem to advance the game state. You are correct to say that this is a generic statement. I started writing this post and took an interrupt so I'll have to come back to that. At this point it's likely been an hour so who knows how many new posts there might be.

Slow night apparently.

I just looked at my own ISO. I counted 5 posts that I would characterize as shitposts, not including a couple flubbed up typo posts, out of about 40 or 50. Every other post I made was made with a purpose. Point being, my process in advancing the town win condition exists even if you can't discern it. That's not a slight on you -- that's partially by design. I could be more transparent, but that's not the way I want to play. There's no need for me to post every thought that goes through my head.

Tbf, only scum should be worried about what they post.

[Doctor Drew]

wow, you guys have been posting. i'll catch up after the next votecount

Well look who showed up

I mean, you could just catch up now.

[Doctor Drew]

Because Lavender has not made one, single, god-damned contribution. And i'd rather lynch than play the rest of the game with them

Instead of the person that has actually been scummy?

[Doctor Drew]

@chk. Lavender or me?

@drew, which person in particular? I support Galron and Lavwnder wagons equally.

Siteflake.

[Doctor Drew]

Did you mean to say something.....or?

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Oh, I don't think you can edit a mod post.

[Doctor Drew]

Also willing to vote pisskop, asking for two fucking claims when neither is shred-1 is super disgusting.

It doesn't necessarily look very good to spend my whole day railing against not voting NPOM, and then either hammer or put him at l-1.

Why are you concerned about how you look?

Doesn't usually happen, but I agree with chk here.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, Fish, Bambi, A50: I feel like we're feeling each other but your vote is better served on piss rather than IKS.

ngl, this post does make me want to oblige. I feel like IKS should have been shredded multiple times already.

Doesn't that want to make you keep your vote on him?

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: PK was asking for the two wagons to claim, both were close to being shredded pretty close to deadline. What he asked for is not crazy, I see no reason to vote him.

[Doctor Drew]

There's a shit ton of WIFOM coming from NPOM's direction. Can some of you on that IKS train unvote so there's not an accidental hammer, please?

VOTE: NPOM

Do you one better.

[Doctor Drew]

About 10 hour to deadline, we should reach a consensus.

Siteflake's claim could be town or scum as stated, not sure the proper protocol on that...gut says still shred him, but....

NPOM has been really trying to poke holes in his claim in a grasping at straws sort of way, brain says to shred him.

And I don't get why anyone wants to shred Pisskop.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't like how pisskop has interacted with the other active weagons

Why him over NPOM/Siteflake?

[Doctor Drew]

I believe AKS' claim. I don't know if it's scum or town, though. But I am willing to wait and see.

Starbuck is town.

Good. Then vote outside {me, NPOM}, because NPOM is not happening today, and if we get close to DL with me/ him being the only big wagons, I get lynched.

Why isn't NPOM happening?

Town mislynching my top townread is simply not happening. Any other questions?

So you know NPOM is a mislynch?

[Doctor Drew]

I really like Starbuck's post right here, seems very transparent. What I don't like, however, is she immediately attacking BEF for how they are analyzing the IKS wagon. Instead of poo-pooing it before they give any reads why not wait until said reads are given and then voice any issues you have.

I really dislike Chk defending IKS, but it seemed like the typical 'Chk says his piece and just yells at you when you bring other points up'. I also totally won't rub it in his face that he was completely wrong(luv ya ).

I forget who mentioned it, but Titus dying can implicate DGB...but there is so much wifom surrounding it you could make a million arguments for why she is and isn't scum because of the NK(and when I am scum many times I choose someone who others wouldn't just for the wifom and distraction).

I still think NPOM looks bad, and why IKS as scum wouldn't vote to save himself(I believe, will have to double check the final VC) and instead really try to get a wagon going on PK and to a lesser extent myself makes me think he may have taken one for the team to protect NPOM. But maybe I am veering into tinfoil hat territory there.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok ya, IKS had his vote on PK.

Pooky, why were you on PK as well.

[Doctor Drew]

I really like Starbuck's post right here, seems very transparent. What I don't like, however, is she immediately attacking BEF for how they are analyzing the IKS wagon. Instead of poo-pooing it before they give any reads why not wait until said reads are given and then voice any issues you have.

I already pointed out the discrepancy of analyzing the wagon and leaving off the 2 people before Looker. This isn't new news.

I'm not poo-pooing the analysis. I look forward to reading it. I'm poo-pooing purposefully ignoring TD and Bambi which is problematic in my eyes.

But they said it was a good place to start analyzing the wagon minus TD and Bambi, you made the leap that they were purposely ignoring them, which I don't get.

[Doctor Drew]

774 - 777 doesn't look like an S/S interaction though - can you explain how you are reading it as S/S?

It was a naked vote, this is a weird defense of Lavender.

[Doctor Drew]

Then IKS immediately switching to NoNo when Rudebwoy voted them.

Fair enough, you just only mentioned to 774...going a few posts later I see what you mean.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: NOPE, I is idiot.

Totally misread your first post haha.

[Doctor Drew]

I hope to get a more detailed catch up of the days action tonight, but I am very tired, so no guarantees.

I will say that I feel more and more drawn to a NPOM wagon, still has no demonstrated any pro-town actions.

I also have a hard time believing chk is scum, maybe his finally appeasing me by deep diving on dave is affecting my viewpoint lol.

Looker, please explain the 'connection' between PK and I a littler further.

Star, I am not WK'ing or anything like that in regards to BeF. My issues are with your reaction to their plan to analyze the wagon.

Just cracked a beer, hopefully this gives me some motivation.

[Doctor Drew]

I think its unlikely that both were scum.

I think this is a logical fallacy as it does not account for our knowledge that IKS is scum.

The probability of any 2 people being scum together is lower than the probability of any 1 person being scum.

However the probability of NPOM being scum given that IKS is scum is not equivalent to the probability of IKS/NPOM both being scum independently.

In pure probability terms - we are talking about what the probability of NPOM as scum is independently of IKS alignment.

However given that IKS flipped red and refused to vote NPOM despite NPOM being pretty scummy and within the range of being lynched while IKS was under threat of being lynched increases the probability that NPOM is also a scum.

Dammit Pooky, why are you making me agree with you?

[Doctor Drew]

Goofball seems to vote without a clear thought process. Also lack of quotes makes it hard to tell. Interesting to note while voting for Walter thae reply to someone was vote for iks. The claim stall is a bit weird. Other than that believes npom is scum. Considers to vote iks for that post on refusing to vote for npom. Neutral feeling
I am curious goofball if you believed both were scum why did you believe people who voted for other than npom deserve to be vigged?
pedit Do you mind pointing to where chkflip says that?

I got excited because NPOM was claim stalling. Everyone knows how I feel about that; claim stalls are 100% scum all the time, no exception.

At the same time, I good good feels from IKS because he claimed quickly, and his role description has some parallels with mine.

But then someone pointed out that the Developper bit was not very guitaristy, and I started to think IKS had outed the scum flavor, but I couldn't be sure.

This sounds like town DGB, at least from the little I know of her.

[Doctor Drew]

Ice goof and drew don't look great.

Elaborate please.

[Doctor Drew]

Because I am generating a lot of content which is obviously protown but they are insisting that I am scummy and not considering town me. Plus they were on my wagon.

You know I am Drew right?

So OMGUS is the reason that Goof, Ice, and I are scum?

[Doctor Drew]

You aren't saying anything besides how townie you think you are.

[Doctor Drew]

No it's because your play style, at least so far, at least seems tangentially scummy, doesn't offer up much, AND frustrates people. You are a safe wagon for scum, because they can hop on at almost any point. You will always be wagoned nearly-every day.

which is why it's pretty confusing why IKS didn't just hard push this NPOM dude yesterday and instead just deer in headlights'd his way out the building

Could have been calculated, IKS wasn't acting alone.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Not saying this does/doesn't implicate NPOM, but I would be shocked if scum didn't go in this situation without a plan.

[Doctor Drew]

Looker, I see that you are saying that PK 'must be together' for some reason'. But why would we use code words in the game when we could, ya know, coordinate things in our 'PT'?

I can't even understand why a sane person would think the most logical explanation is that they are clearly together, I honestly am baffled by your thought train. You are doing some crazy mental gymnastics here.

And even if we are 'something' why would you potentially out 'something' that could be town based(mason, friendly neighbor, other roles that could be town based that use a PT....or even just knowledge of each others role/alignment).

It is like you are trying to make us look bad without the risk of calling us scum/cult for fear that one or both of us flip town, you can say 'well I never said they were scum, just together in some way', and possibly rolefishing.

[Doctor Drew]

Yesterday I was scum reading IKS, Walter and NPOM. NPOM is annoying as hell but I have a feeling he's not scum. May be 3P -- that didn't enter my mind until rudeboy mentioned the possibility in his rant on NPOM (a good rant btw). And that large of a counter wagon, I'm really doubting it was SvS. I mean, if the entire scum team split their bus votes and then how many of the 4 off the main two wagons were scum? I just don't know how that math works. Also, who said that NPOM wasn't voting IKS? He clearly was.

NPOM: Do us a favor and take rude's advice, NPOM. Also please start using the quote function like chk asked. Your posts are hard to follow. Make your case on Drew and DGB. I don't get either one of them.

Walter: You are so passive and seemingly agreeable with every criticism levied at you. I don't get it. Do you have any fight in you at all?

To my point I made yesterDay about IKS, I feel scum are going to be more level headed when the wagon is a growing on them vs town.

NPOM as 3p is something I have thought of, but the 'defense'(I know you said you aren't defending him, but just for sake of argument I am using that term) of him by Rude just doesn't make sense if they are 3p together(ie cult).

[Doctor Drew]

Can I just refer to Drew goof and ice as the axis of evil?

DGB?? You really think DGB is Scum here?

By association, yes.

Again...explain.

[Doctor Drew]

NPOM as 3p is something I have thought of, but the 'defense'(I know you said you aren't defending him, but just for sake of argument I am using that term) of him by Rude just doesn't make sense if they are 3p together(ie cult).

I will 100 percent hardclaim not to be in a third party with NPOM. That is as much as I am willing to say on this point till at least D3.[/quote]
Do you hardclaim not to be 3p?

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: I blame Rude for that format mishap lol.

[Doctor Drew]

PK, it isn't so much that he is saying there is a connection between us, it is that he is saying there is a connection and it doesn't necessarily mean we are scum. Why risk outing a town role/roles like that?

Why not say 'I think they may be scum together because this connection' or 'if one of them flips scum than there is a high probability the other flips scum as well'? And if you don't think they are scum(or cult), then why say anything?

I just feel like he is trying to role fish and hope we confirm or deny our 'connection', I don't see a town mentality behind this, but I fear I am alone in my thinking here.

Anywho.

I normally don't like a LAL, but Lavendar is basically purposely doing nothing at this point, until they do something VOTE: Lavendar

[Doctor Drew]

However, the quickness in how the wagons have been building is a concern.

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

I mean, tbf.

Still think this is town chk though, someone who has played with scumChk tell me if he has his blinders on as scum as well.

[Doctor Drew]

My wagon is still scum driven...town would focus on more than one player.

Why do you assume town isn't?

Pre Edit: Also state a case finally

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: Also state a case finally

[Doctor Drew]

I do think Looker is town, but I have no read on Lavender.

Why is he town?

His posts seem earnest, I am not seeing lack of effort, vagueness, scummy phrasing, etc.

I am gonna go ahead and disagree with my fellow 'Axis of Evil' member. There is some effort, lots of vagueness(ie the connection with our fellow Axis member, Pisskop)....also stupid question that I should probably know, but what do you mean by scummy phrasing?

I am leaning towards voting Looker, but it pains me to agree with Chk(I kid, I act like I hate....but I really love you).

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think you're as important as you think you are.

Or as smart lol

Though Looker is endearing himself to me haha.

[Doctor Drew]

I didn't say all town were focusing on me, I said scum were focusing on me to avoid scumhunting.

Yet you steadfastly refuse to say who you think those scum are.
Names or it means nothing.

Tbf, he did mention the 'Axis of Evil" with DGB, PK, and myself....albeit with no explanation

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Maybe not PK? Need to double check.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh shit, sorry PK you ain't evil.

Ice is the third member of the

NWO

, I mean Axis of Evil.

[Doctor Drew]

LAMIST

Shit like this ignites my hatred for Chk's playstyle.

Why do you go all Trump when people call you on your shit?

[Doctor Drew]

Ftr: Not even saying you aren't on to something, but when someone criticizes your read you go nuclear and get kind of petty and make them seem like they are the idiot(you have made me feel that way).

I made the reference earlier(which Pooky misunderstood lol), but take your rage blinders off man. This is the is the same chk town I have seen a few times, and it hasn't been helpful. If you are town be a little more left and a little less right(politics ftw).

Pre edit: Ok If nothing worth to be found in the IKS wagon, why make this post:

Doctor Drew voted IKS twice, pushed for the shred, then found himself off of it before shred before it went through.

Things that make you go hmm.

.....And then do nothing with it.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Looker

I wold rather have my vote on someone who I think may be scum rather than a LAL policy(yes NPOM, LAL meant lynch all lurkers.....though I guess in this game it is SAL).

[Doctor Drew]

Looker, I see that you are saying that PK 'must be together' for some reason'. But why would we use code words in the game when we could, ya know, coordinate things in our 'PT'?

I can't even understand why a sane person would think the most logical explanation is that they are clearly together, I honestly am baffled by your thought train. You are doing some crazy mental gymnastics here.

And even if we are 'something' why would you potentially out 'something' that could be town based(mason, friendly neighbor, other roles that could be town based that use a PT....or even just knowledge of each others role/alignment).

It is like you are trying to make us look bad without the risk of calling us scum/cult for fear that one or both of us flip town, you can say 'well I never said they were scum, just together in some way', and possibly rolefishing.

PK, it isn't so much that he is saying there is a connection between us, it is that he is saying there is a connection and it doesn't necessarily mean we are scum. Why risk outing a town role/roles like that?

Why not say 'I think they may be scum together because this connection' or 'if one of them flips scum than there is a high probability the other flips scum as well'? And if you don't think they are scum(or cult), then why say anything?

I just feel like he is trying to role fish and hope we confirm or deny our 'connection', I don't see a town mentality behind this, but I fear I am alone in my thinking here

Have been thinking you may be scum for awhile, now I am not alone in my thinking.

[Doctor Drew]

also I see what was meant by band
were they all in that one game though?

Which game? Big 4?

[Doctor Drew]

You want me to claim?

I want you to explain what "role name flavor" means to you.

Are you still thinking he shouldn't be shredded?

Also this is a bit of a prodge, been in a weird place the last few day(nothing big, just some doldrums). Gonna try to contribute more tonight, and if not tonight than tomorrow.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok back, and in better spirits. Been somewhat following but will read up the last few pages again.

[Doctor Drew]

Honestly I don't think it matters that much if we decapitate Looker 1st and TD 2nd or vice versa. I'm willing to do either.

Wait what, are you just trying to save yourself?

[Doctor Drew]

Oh yeah because I'm only entitled to want to decapitate one person.

Is here a reason you keep saying decapitate?

[Doctor Drew]

Great time to be AWOL lol.

I still would have stuck to my guns and stayed on Looker even after the claim, Ilike I should have yesterDay. Also, A50's post about not caring about losing a VT is a it concerning(to borrow a term from Starbuck).

NPOM seemed to be more towny the last few pages, he is an issue for endgame because I keep waffling on how I read him.

I also am having a hard time fully understanding TD or Chk as scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Why did IKS have a counterwagon but I don't

You do have people(Starbuck for one) really pushing for another's(TD) shredd.

This either means something, or less than something, depending on your potential flip.

[Doctor Drew]

I also think we could shred the VT claim rather than out a PR. We are not guaranteed to actually wagon scum if we chose not to go through with this wagon, so "we lose a town vote" isn't really a good argument. (Also, if VTs are meant to eat NKs, this one isn't because they've already claimed)

This is a very good post for a50 to make js

What do you mean by very good?

[Doctor Drew]

Why Walter over NPOM though?

[Doctor Drew]

I guess no one should ever claim VT

I mean, if you are VT you claim VT(someone correct me if I am wrong).

[Doctor Drew]

I kinda feel like Gamma's the type to know the VC and that was on purpose.
Makes me think if Looker is town then Walter slot could be scum. The momentum was definitely going to go that direction if it dragged on.
Unfortunately we're probably looking at an interminable night.

Tbh, this didn't even cross my mind. Also don't like NPOM just setting the lynch pool before a flip(and as mentioned leaving some people out), seems like he knows the flip already.

I do kind of lean that Gamma didn't know it was a hammer, votes were kind of changing as of late...I know I have LOLhammered before on accident.

If town I still feel A50 looks a little sus as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Geez! I already said I lean towards it being a TOWN flip, and I get suspected for it?! I did not push for this elimination based on a SR. I did it to protect the PRs. Is anybody -aside from Gamma- reading my posts?

You seemed to be ok with an assumed 'VT' shred.....remember we had lots of time until deadline.

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah, bored now VOTE: looker

*Simpsons Gif where Homer dressed up as Krusty beats up a 'hamburglar' within an inch of his life*

[Doctor Drew]

Here we are

[Doctor Drew]

Why are people lock towning A50? And why did you claim Bambi?

[Doctor Drew]

also a strong

FoS chkflip

Fucking come at me, dude.

You couldn't get it done yesterday.

All I'm saying is you replaced in, quickly saw there was no way anyone would believe you backing IKS, bussed him the fuck outta here.

Then, you took out Titus at night, for the reasons I previously mentioned.

And you hard-rode a mislynch D2.

It's not enough for a vote, but it's enough for suspicion.

Don't be a chicken, just vote. Join me.[/quote]
Maybe it's the broken quote tags, but wasn't Chk hard against the IKS wagon? That's a weird way to buss.

[Doctor Drew]

All I'm saying is you replaced in, quickly saw there was no way anyone would believe you backing IKS, bussed him the fuck outta here.

Wait what? I definitely recall chk defending IKS quite strongly, at least starting off.

Literally just said the same thing.

And Gamma, help me with A50...why exactly are you so certain of his towniness?

[Doctor Drew]

I also think we could shred the VT claim rather than out a PR. We are not guaranteed to actually wagon scum if we chose not to go through with this wagon, so "we lose a town vote" isn't really a good argument. (Also, if VTs are meant to eat NKs, this one isn't because they've already claimed)

I'm surprised more people haven't chimed in on whether or not they believe my claim.

Personally, I do. I just think it's best if we eliminated a VT than force a PR to claim. Playing it safe, I guess.

In my experience, many a player act weird/scummy when they get a PR role. That doesn't mean everyone acting scummy is a PR, but it used to be a problem for me when I started playing Mafia and stayed that way for a while that whenever I received a PR role I'd be MUCH more suspected than when I was a VT. Even after I've learnt to adjust my play, I still couldn't help but suspect OTHER players acting weird, and then finding out the reason was they were PRs not scum.

So, let's put this all together: You were scummy to me (or I wouldn't have voted you in the first place). Them you claimed VT (which doesn't really explain why you were acting scummy to begin with). So the way I see it is if you are a VT 9and I have reason to think you might be) it's no big loss. If you are NOT (minor chance of that) then you are still SCUM who is faking to try and survive.

The alternative is to push/wagon someone else who appears to be acting scummy, force them to claim and go "Oh, SHIT! They're <Insert your favourite PR here> and THAT explains why they appeared to be acting scummy. Oh, well.. let's move on). Do you like this last scenario better??

I dunno, I just think these two posts show him too willing to go through with a shred on someone who he is relatively certain is town. Seems somewhat impersonal(if that makes sense) and calculated.

Doesn't scream town to me.

[Doctor Drew]

All I'm saying is you replaced in, quickly saw there was no way anyone would believe you backing IKS, bussed him the fuck outta here.

Wait what? I definitely recall chk defending IKS quite strongly, at least starting off.

honestly, we are 120 pages in, so my recall may be shitty.

but, even then. chk defending the IKS developer role plays even more into a theory of why he would be scum.

Have you ever played with Chk?

[Doctor Drew]

All I'm saying is you replaced in, quickly saw there was no way anyone would believe you backing IKS, bussed him the fuck outta here.

Wait what? I definitely recall chk defending IKS quite strongly, at least starting off.

honestly, we are 120 pages in, so my recall may be shitty.

but, even then. chk defending the IKS developer role plays even more into a theory of why he would be scum.

Have you ever played with Chk?

I have not. This is my first game on site in 10 years.

He tends to get, how do I say nicely, passionate about his initial read and won't back down. His refusal to view IKS as scummy was terrible, but somewhat NAI for him.

I am not saying don't push him, but just my experience with him(and for the record I am leaning town on him).

[Doctor Drew]

I'm more willing to believe than Gamma standing up for A50 is townish than scum!Drew shading them is correct. Sorry.

Chk knows how I am when being misrepped.

Elaborate on how I 'shaded' Gamma. I asked a general question about why people were hard town reading A50, and than directly asked Gamma since he seemed to be the most certain of it, Gamma explained his reasoning.

Specifically why I asked is the posts I quoted didn't seem to me from a town mindset and I don't read A50 very well(tbh, not sure if I have played a game with TownA50 lol).

I will stop throwing some viscious shade towards you Gamma going forward, my bad.

[Doctor Drew]

Ya he is the day doc, duh.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm more willing to believe than Gamma standing up for A50 is townish than scum!Drew shading them is correct. Sorry.

Chk knows how I am when being misrepped.

Elaborate on how I 'shaded' Gamma. I asked a general question about why people were hard town reading A50, and than directly asked Gamma since he seemed to be the most certain of it, Gamma explained his reasoning.

Specifically why I asked is the posts I quoted didn't seem to me from a town mindset and I don't read A50 very well(tbh, not sure if I have played a game with TownA50 lol).

I will stop throwing some viscious shade towards you Gamma going forward, my bad.

NPOM.

I don't know why I was thinking you would respond.

[Doctor Drew]

Than why bring it up in the first place?

[Doctor Drew]

Iecrint doesn't sound drunk at all o.O
NPOM are you voting TDeath because you think they're scum or just sheeping Galron?

A majority of the posts I make on this site are under the influence, including now.

Just saying.

[Doctor Drew]

I think the Chk/DGB slap fight is more likely leaning town v town...with chk leaning more town and DGB leaning more scum. But I wouldn't support a DGB wagon.

But they are stubborn assholes who will continue to yell at each other, I would actually laugh and say well played if it is scum v scum tbh.

But anywho, I have had enough with NPOM. Somehow has survived being wagoned two days in a row, and if rude is down than I am down.

VOTE: NPOM

[Doctor Drew]

For one, the fact that I was the counter to the IKS wagon. For two, my voting my record. For three the people on my wagon.

Voting record? Very easy for scum to make sure they are off town wagons.

Plus you were the counter wagon on D1, and I didn't check but I assume you weren't on the Looker wagon...what does that prove?

[Doctor Drew]

I guess having a piss poor vote record like you makes you town then.

There is a term for what this post is, someone smarter than me help me with it.

[Doctor Drew]

Lab, can you clarify on what you mean about me?

[Doctor Drew]

There are so many good scum candidates(TD, Drew, Rude, Pisskop, DGB)

Why pisskop?

Probably NPOM sensed a wagon growing on PK and wants it to grow to save themselves.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew's done nothing to contribute to scumhunting other than make negative comments about me every fifth page or so.

Because you keep throwing shade(borrowing your word) at me and when I ask direct questions, you ignore it or deflect it.

You just want people off your wagon and are being opportunistic.

I mean, if you so sure I am scum then why do you keep taking your vote off of me?

[Doctor Drew]

Lol no, I am not going to do your work for you.

[Doctor Drew]

Hey, remember when Death scum slipped on D1 and then y'all forgot about it?

Yeah I just revisited that. That's cool.

He did? Care to share with the rest of the class?

NPOM, not going to quote that quote tree that I don't quite understand you posted a majority of it.

I did not attack either of them. I was questioning Gamma's hardcore town read on A50, Gamma explained, I still don't fully agree(I appear to be in the minority here) but I think I understand his reasoning.

Viscious personal attack I know.

[Doctor Drew]

I was looking through Siteflakes ISO and saw a Death vote. Lead me to the slip. Not sure I agree with it, just bringing it up. Seems noteworthy.

See also: "I'm NoT dOiNg ThE wOrK fOr YoU lOl"

I see what you did there, well played sir.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm reading TDeath's last game and apparently he has a habit of getting himself run up on D1 by being lolscummyaf

but his emotional response in this game is not as violently town-ragey as that one

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I'm legit laughing so hard reading his posts in this game.

Pfahahahah, you want to accuse ME of not making content? Look around at the entire rest of the fucking game and realize exactly how hypocritically moronic that particular statement is. I'm one of the few people who is actually trying to do anything useful instead of spouting pure garbage into the air. Like, the only reason I can't call scum right now is because there are two many of you acting stupid for it to actually be a tell.

Was this it chk?

Does seem a weird tonal shift, originally thought the rage was clearly townie...but after a second look of how it happened seems sus as fuck.

If it wasn't it, well I guess my read on TD is changing a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: ohhh read 315 again.

Ya I got you.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: TD

[Doctor Drew]

Alright PK, you drunk?

[Doctor Drew]

I am no longer reading NPOM as scum. I will not vote there.

Why not?

[Doctor Drew]

I am no longer reading NPOM as scum. I will not vote there.

Why not?

He is spontaneous, sincere and persistent in his scumhunting.

Here are TD's last 5 games. He was town in all 5 and he has been endgamed, so he's obviously not dumb. He seems like caught scum to me.

Mini Theme 2112 Eliminated Day 1 - Town Weaponsmith
Mini Theme 2097 Eliminated Night 2 - Town Copscetic
Mini Theme 2091 - Endgamed - Town Citizen
Guns and Roses II - Endgamed - Town Gun
Mini Normal 1904 - Endgamed, Town 2 Shot Bulletproof

What informed minority scum wastes time on trash meta?

What?

[Doctor Drew]

I am no longer reading NPOM as scum. I will not vote there.

Why not?

He is spontaneous, sincere and persistent in his scumhunting.

Here are TD's last 5 games. He was town in all 5 and he has been endgamed, so he's obviously not dumb. He seems like caught scum to me.

Mini Theme 2112 Eliminated Day 1 - Town Weaponsmith
Mini Theme 2097 Eliminated Night 2 - Town Copscetic
Mini Theme 2091 - Endgamed - Town Citizen
Guns and Roses II - Endgamed - Town Gun
Mini Normal 1904 - Endgamed, Town 2 Shot Bulletproof

What informed minority scum wastes time on trash meta?

What?

I think they meant that scum wouldn’t waste time doing meta?
And that’s a plus for NPOM?

That's actually a good point, I read it as DGB contradicting herself initially.

It was the 'trash meta' thing that threw me off.

[Doctor Drew]

Yes, this is a policy lynch on D3.

It's absolutely necessary.

Not for nothing, but weren't you against the 'policy lynch' of IKS on D1? And now on D3 you are for a policy lynch?

Not saying I disagree with taking the Dunce-spot out...but just is an interesting dissonance.

Especially when the leading wagon, who is at S-1, has basically admitted to giving up. If town, TD is basically worthless as well. And the Dunce spot can still be saved by a replacement who actually plays the game. You are acting like it will be a vacant spot for ever and ever.

And Galron does have a point, you put a spark in the TD wagon and didn't follow through.

[Doctor Drew]

I stated many time that my read on IKS was based purely on scummy behavior, not any trolling or policy reasons. You were adamant against the wagon because you assumed it was a policy lynch, you refused to listen to reasons beyond the trolling to why they were scum. This seemed like typical Chk behavior which is why I have had a town read on you, but this dissonance about policy lynches is a bit weird.

Also you didn't address why you brought up the TD 'scum slip', which led me down the path to vote TD, yet don't vote him.

Pre Edit: I dunno, only have played with townChk(I believe), and he seems a bit off here.

[Doctor Drew]

Also you didn't address why you brought up the TD 'scum slip', which led me down the path to vote TD, yet don't vote him.

I was voting him at the time?

But you moved off of it.

but this dissonance about policy lynches is a bit weird.

Again you're calling to something that doesn't exist.

Stop doing that.

There is dissonance, don't want policy on D1, do want on D3.

Seems pretty clear.

[Doctor Drew]

TD and DGB are both scumtastic.

You still think I am scum right?

[Doctor Drew]

TD and DGB are both scumtastic.

You still think I am scum right?

Yep.

What do you make of my transition to voting TD?

[Doctor Drew]

You saw that my elim wasn't going to happen so you went for the top wagon.

The top wagon who would be my scum buddy?

Why wouldn't I switch to DGB who seems to be the flavor of the month now?

[Doctor Drew]

Also, was TD the competing wagon at the time?

[Doctor Drew]

You saw that my elim wasn't going to happen so you went for the top wagon.

Briefly went through the votes, I left when momentum was still strong on you to vote TD who Chk and Pooky made compelling arguments for, and I was still early on that wagon.

So much time left in the day, so how would I know if your shred was actually going to happen or not?

Nut up or shut up NPOM. You keep talking about me throwing shade, but all you have done is scream to the heavens that I am scum without leading a case on me. You just throw a vote on me until you see there is a wagon available to make sure you stay alive.

Don't be saying that I am not scum hunting when you are just trying to coast buy with this lack of integrity.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm still not all that convinced that the guy who did a universal roleblock that didn't stop the faction NK is town.

Wait, wasn't there no NK?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: DGB

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think she's scum.

"Anything is possible in a bastard" doesn't apply here. It's "Baker bastsrd" which is at-worst bastard-lite. They don't have two ascending roles.

They don't have two ascending roles.

I specified that I'm not ascending, but probabilistic.

UNVOTE:

I am with Chk, the probability of scum having such similar roles is sim at best, even for a Baker game.

[Doctor Drew]

Meh, I have been warming up to the idea of voting that slot...at this point would prefer NPOM or even TD still.

I will give it until tomorrow.

[Doctor Drew]

DD if you solidly define that as 24 hours I will match you on that

Yes then, 10PM EST tomorrow I will vote the assemble slot unless some drastic shit happens.

Also,

@Baker

tbh, wasn't really feeling the new Signs of The Swarm song.

[Doctor Drew]

@Doctor Drew

k shame.

I think drewboi is scum.

Wut.

[Doctor Drew]

Death and dripping are Town reading each other there's a surprise. Rolls eyes.

Scum hates a TOWNBLOK™

It did make me say hmmm when they all of a sudden town read each other.

But, DGB does make a great point about TD's vote coupled with NPOM making another superficial read I feel ok they probably are town.

VOTE: NPOM really sticking to my guns this time, not moving off unless something crazy happens.

[Doctor Drew]

Super late Post Edit: By they I mean DGB and TD if it wasn't obvious.

[Doctor Drew]

NPOM- Explain to me how having a lurker remain in the game is beneficial to town. Maybe a town PR would lurk for a while to try and avoid the NK. But other than that, I can't really see much benefit.

Explain how having scum in the game is beneficial to town?

Deflection without answering, noted.

Why would he start answering direct questions now?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

I forgot Baker literally just had a probability-based scum role. I'm dumb. Township rescinded.

This is a stretch. Baker varies things up wildly from game to game. Big doubt he would give scum very similar roles in back to back games.

[Doctor Drew]

Miranda was a rapist who wasn't told he had a right to remain silent etc. He was retried and later convicted.

I love how NPOM eagerly answers non game related questions lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I look down for a second and Gamma takes over as town leader? o.o

That wasn’t what I did at all? I just asked to cut the non-game talk as it was messing with my head.

Remember, you willfully joined a game with myself, A50, and Pooky...you knew what you were in for.

PK, care to address my question to you?

[Doctor Drew]

DONT DO IT!:)

Ok, you did make me lol a bit I will admit.

[Doctor Drew]

I could do Lav, but highly prefer NPOM. I don't think I would be ok shredding anyone else.

[Doctor Drew]

Pooky has either pocketed me or is town.

My only meta experience with them, however, was them posting fucking gifs all game.

Can confirm we are not connected via role.

Goof, please case Iecerint.

I had experience with TownPook before that game and he was way more aggressive and definitive. I have had no real reason to suspect Pook in this game, but that game has been in been in the back of my mind all game(I think it was Gamma who said a similar thing about his town game).

Also, why did you only say via role?

[Doctor Drew]

would really prefer npom, td, lav, dave, or drew to ice, but I mean, sure.

PK, I still don't get what a quote from the mod has to do with any read of me, town/scum/3p or even 4p lol.

I also do think DGB has made some salient points in regards to Icerint, and Icerint's(does anyone else just want to type Iceprint everytime? No? Just me? Ok...) responses seem like a calm flail.

I can't believe we are going to let NPOM walk yet another day, and to a lesser extent Lav...can a potential vig deal with them please?

VOTE: Icerint

[Doctor Drew]

are we really flipping people for lurking now

I am disappointed in you, thought you were ride or die with me to shred NPOM.

Obviously if any shred is going to happen besides Ice(leaning this way now tbh) I would highly prefer NPOM, and maybe Lav.

Pre Edit: Not clear Pook, do I need to apply pressure or just ask nicely?

[Doctor Drew]

nice fucking troll Drew

you actually made me look up my own ISO to make sure my vote was on NPOM

Could have sworn you switched to Ice? Maybe you switched it back when I was drunk.

[Doctor Drew]

I only play while drunk.

[Doctor Drew]

I have been playing drunk before any of you even played a game of mafia.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm guessing that's entertaining but not very productive.

This is a game played for enjoyment.

[Doctor Drew]

I am going to be LA for the next 24 hours, will make sure to be back before deadline.

[Doctor Drew]

Kind of back, but how did this turbo wagon happen on Rude? And Icerint is getting a pass?

I will have to catch up later.

[Doctor Drew]

Can anyone who got one of Starbuck's gifts, confirm it, and what action they did?

Also, I'm thinking maybe the compressor effect shortened the night?

Ya I was confused as I logged in.

Also since we are here, got nothing from Star.

[Doctor Drew]

Having so much screaming on the videos that I can't hear the guitar is a drag.

@Baker

Seriously, this is deserving of a modkill.

Not everyone can win the race!

[Doctor Drew]

rudeboi is obv scum now right

Why Pook why?

[Doctor Drew]

tell me rudeboi doesnt make sense with ice ice on the same team

The last minute wagon to save Ice?

[Doctor Drew]

Also, drunk as well...this could be very productive.

[Doctor Drew]

Not a hot take in saying that DGB is most likely town, but she seems a bit too certain of her reads after leading a successful Ice wagon.

You really seem like you have your mind made up about Chk, DGB, and just won't listen to a reason why chk might not be scum(ironic, because that is a classic chk move). And even implicating others by association (Pooky).

Someone on the chk wagon needs to unvote right now, even if he is scum this isn't good.

Pre Edit: Wtf?

[Doctor Drew]

Dr Drew, Bambi Jay, Lavender... maybe scum, I can't be sure.

I am starting to believe that with your claim, IKS' role, and Bambi's claim....that Bambi might be 3p.

A role that may help/hurt both town and scum?

Also, why divulge that Galron info?

Pete Edit: Did you think I would move off Ice?

[Doctor Drew]

Ha who is 'Pete Edit?'

Pre Edit, obvs.

[Doctor Drew]

I am confused why Lav is locktown now. There is something more, is it just because they visited you and you didn't die, DGB?

[Doctor Drew]

Galron did say something about someone who makes a lot of noise visited them, Distortion adds extra noise to a guitar sound.

Maybe, I dunno.

[Doctor Drew]

so you're saying DGB is just lying.

I'm truly starting to think you tried to kill me.

Do you think you may have been targeted?

[Doctor Drew]

so you're saying DGB is just lying.

I'm truly starting to think you tried to kill me.

Do you think you may have been targeted?

Let me elaborate, why do you think BEF was the NK and not you.

[Doctor Drew]

If anything, I would put DGB as a 3p. I think it is entirely possible you have a town, scum, and 3P all with similar roles (meaning:Iec, DGB, Bambi). I think it's highly unlikely any one faction has two of that sort of role.

You mean IKS not Ice?

But ya, I definitely could see one of DGB/Bambi being 3P.

[Doctor Drew]

Especially since last Baker game she was batshit insane about killing the outed 3P, yet when I bring up that Bambi might be 3P she acknowledges it...but that's it.

I know not exactly the same situation, but she was VERY adamant in Redneck mafia that 3P should be eliminated ASAP.

[Doctor Drew]

3p how? we dont seem to have an sk or anything

There has been a 3p(at least one!) in every Baker modded game.

Bambi's role and DGB's play seem a bit 3Pish.

[Doctor Drew]

If anything, I would put DGB as a 3p. I think it is entirely possible you have a town, scum, and 3P all with similar roles (meaning:Iec, DGB, Bambi). I think it's highly unlikely any one faction has two of that sort of role.

You mean IKS not Ice?

But ya, I definitely could see one of DGB/Bambi being 3P.

Hold on, read this again...you know that it was Starbuck who had these powers not DGB, right?

[Doctor Drew]

If anything, I would put DGB as a 3p. I think it is entirely possible you have a town, scum, and 3P all with similar roles (meaning:Iec, DGB, Bambi). I think it's highly unlikely any one faction has two of that sort of role.

You mean IKS not Ice?

But ya, I definitely could see one of DGB/Bambi being 3P.

Hold on, read this again...you know that it was Starbuck who had these powers not DGB, right?

Have i gotten completely switched up? I thought Starbuck was VT, and DGB has the probability based

Star was the Inventor.

[Doctor Drew]

Starbuck was inventor

JINX

[Doctor Drew]

Not probed.

[Doctor Drew]

Not a wiki role apparently. Sounds alien-ish to me.
Care to explain why that's not just a scumclaim? Other than the obvious that nobody in their right mind would make such a claim as scum.

I just did a quick Google search, seems pretty clearly a town based role.

Unless you think scum are aliens?

[Doctor Drew]

Literally just searched 'mafia roles probe master'.

Let me to a different sites wiki, not sure if I can post external links.

[Doctor Drew]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/da ... ole=Prober

[Doctor Drew]

Vanilla Shredder
I was Herman Li but I'm now Leo Natale Carillion

This would be a very weird thing for a mafia to come out and fake. So I believe Gamma is being truthful here.

-/-/-/-

Im confused on Lavender... She is town cleared b/c she visited DBG last night, and dbg didn't die?

Just confirming b/c it seems like a lot of ppl ignored this point despite it potentially pointing to town lavender.

Fwiw I was wondering the same thing as well, she hasn't clarified as of yet.

[Doctor Drew]

The role from the other site that Drew(?) linked to would be a "vanillaizer cop" on MS, and the mechanically right way to play it as town would be to check people who had said they were vanilla to begin with. I'd probably holster a role like that early game expecting there to be abundant PRs and use it like a regular cop shot after some vanilla had claimed. The way Galron has handled it feels like scum vanillaizer wanting to know how many PRs have been neutralized.

VOTE: Galron

Want an explanation from the 'Prober'.

[Doctor Drew]

Galron, you are being way too vague for someone who is very close to being shredded, and I don't see anything in the cliff notes you provided to switch to Dave(or at least to vote him over you).

And this TD/NPOM back and forth has me wondering (will admit still can't shake NPOM as scum, my brain still might be tunneling him).

We have danced around the issue, but would shredding Bambi be the right play if not Galron? Seems to be their role has little Pro town about it, and likely to be 3p(if not scum)?

Basically what I am saying, Galron is probably the correct play, but Bambi's tires should be kicked a little bit...let's not power shredd anyone today k?

Pre Edit: NPOM, maybe we are coming full circle on each other lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Galron's case on dave is good.

Is it?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Galron

[Doctor Drew]

Dave, Killswitch as a universal roleblock makes sense.

I don't agree with you Bambi, scum dayvigging obvTown, especially when they had hardcore heat on them seems worth the risk.

Pre Edit: Doesn't it seem too blatant to be open wolfing?

[Doctor Drew]

The dayvig came from Starbuck
Try to keep up @Bambi

This. I took too long to write my post after I realized what had happened or might have gotten the unvote in before hammer. Partly my fault for not immediately realizing what had happened. Though in fairness to myself and others it did initially look like a spite dayvig from scum wanting to treat it like a vengeful.

Tbf, I glossed over that fact as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Bambi has stopped two kills. She's safely in the town camp.

Wait, what?

[Doctor Drew]

Huh? Why is rudeboi sheepishly naked voting whatever TD is doing?

And why such a quick change of heart on Pooky, TD? This is some real bullshit going on here, I do still have lingering suspicions of Dave because of leia, but what is going on here is sus as fuck. I kind of think Rude and TD should be gladiating, so to speak.

VOTE: Rude

[Doctor Drew]

I went and looked at his posting during Icerint and the votecounts in that area and used my brain, I suggest you do the same.

I realized it at the time, didn't need to be called out on it.

[Doctor Drew]

Hmm, Lav is a scum read? And really why Rude so high?

Here is mine, if we are posting reads list:

Lav
Pooky
Grendel
NPOM
Gamma
PK
Bambi(Definite 3p vibes though)
A50
Dave
TD
Rude

[Doctor Drew]

Sorry, I didn't adjust that after the second set of VCA I did I just left it there. Rude was there because he's been chill and agreeing with me and I think I was getting pocketed honestly :/. Lav is low because I don't know where to put the 100% shitposter. You'll note that I pretty much threw out the list and made a new theory at the bottom of that post xD.

Ok vote Rude then.