Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[Remilia Scarlet]

Morph the cat: Still gone premium.

the superior pick for the situation

VOTE: Secret Tunnels

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[Remilia Scarlet]

the psychedelic cat with the nifty hat knows my name

were...were we friends in another life?

Its fferyllt!

this is a neat post already

[Remilia Scarlet]

fuck i'm not signing correctly

anyway GIF is moon on discord atm so this isn't him

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[Remilia Scarlet]

VOTE: ZMUFFINMAN

WHERE IS YOUR GOOD OL' AVATAR

[Remilia Scarlet]

yeah, and I forgot the next couple of lines, but then it goes-

SECRET TUNNEL

SECRET TUNNEL

THROUGH THE MOUNTAIN

SECRET SECRET SECRET SECRET TUNNEEEEEEEL

Also I’m town that’s all

VOTE: cabdffery

What happened to our agreement about bussing?

I thought the agreement was that we can't bus when the game begins. Game didn't begin soooo

[Remilia Scarlet]

Wait shit did I just out the whole scumteam

Also pagetop

[Remilia Scarlet]

fuck i'm not signing correctly

anyway GIF is moon on discord atm so this isn't him

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imagine signing in this game

[Remilia Scarlet]

o well. i shall perservere

because even when a mafia game deals you the shittiest hands imaginable and shits in your mouth you need to spit it out and turn it to gold or some shit because not doing so means that you aren't even playing mafia, you're just suffering through it

-confucius

imagine playing mafia amirite

[Remilia Scarlet]

NS does not tunnel.

ahhahahahhaha

[Remilia Scarlet]

We actually have third secret person in our hydra but y'all will never figure them out

[Remilia Scarlet]

Aren't hydras supposed to sign their names

imagine signing name

[Remilia Scarlet]

noddy hydra

I don't find them ok.
But then it's not really alignment indicative.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Wow my wiki says I'm 20 years old
I now feel old af

[Remilia Scarlet]

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Good ol' time

[Remilia Scarlet]

HARDCLAIM: I AM MASON WITH BORK

[Remilia Scarlet]

GiF! Shame on you!

It's page 5 and I can't townbin you.

Grease up your rusty gears then cos I'm already town

[Remilia Scarlet]

Although tbh I feel like I forgot how to play this game
My last few games have scarred me deep

[Remilia Scarlet]

ns opening sounds a bit like a caricature of his normal 'i have arrived and am town' presence

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[Remilia Scarlet]

But what I'm not feeling is the GiFTown laser trained on my every little twitch.

gif is not how to town this slot

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Also this is my first game with a hydra, how does someone being piloted by 2 people affect reading them?

it's not rocket surgery lol

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[Remilia Scarlet]

But what I'm not feeling is the GiFTown laser trained on my every little twitch.

gif is not how to town this slot

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nononono
I'm totally how to town this slot wym fam

[Remilia Scarlet]

I went to sleep with dread in my heart.

this is the most metal thing anyone has ever said about me(?)

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[Remilia Scarlet]

and I slay dragons

VOTE: April Ludgate

[Remilia Scarlet]

I think we chase dragons in this thread

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Wait no, it's three pagetops. Two more to go.

ez cheevies clap

[Remilia Scarlet]

I went to sleep with dread in my heart.

this is the most metal thing anyone has ever said about me(?)

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Is that a good thing?

metal things said sounds like a good thing.

metal in like the ronnie james dio kinda way. def good

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[Remilia Scarlet]

the psychedelic cat with the nifty hat knows my name

were...were we friends in another life?

Its fferyllt!

this is a neat post already

Like, what did you mean by this last night?

looked like a potential negative association for later

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[Remilia Scarlet]

like i wouldn't have expected that particular interaction to happen between scumpartners in the main thread

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[Remilia Scarlet]

i like bell's lead up into making 132 and i can't really articulate why

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Ok. That's a little less dreadful. Because if you were calling that AI for me there was never going to be a borktown read from me this game.

yeah uh, lol

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Ok nevermind...
Hydras can be confusing

what was all this about earlier? or rather what conclusion did you come to in that what my slot (assuming i didn't misparse something) did could be disregarded?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I found ns's opening a little stilted but i don't know what happened on this page for you

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[Remilia Scarlet]

thanks good talk

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[Remilia Scarlet]

i love touhou so im TRing remilla until further notice

this? i don't see anything else in the iso worth talking about

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[Remilia Scarlet]

i don't see anything else in the iso

That's the problem!

i have a really hard time making gut reads like this early game based on signal/noise.

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[Remilia Scarlet]

esp w/ tthat sample size

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[Remilia Scarlet]

i suspect that is ST's other head

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I have my reasons to believe plus joyed had read the thread in its entirety before making those two posts.

in thread reasons? yes/no is fine

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I usually see this sort of "I can't find anything to comment on" manifest itself as "This meta circle stuff is so anoooooooying blah blah blah I can't get any reads woe is me" (I've certainly done that as scum) and that didn't happen here

I'm just not hugely swayed by "I can't find anything to comment on therefore I must fluff instead" that doesn't seem like something scum is more or less likely to do to me

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[Remilia Scarlet]

a bit off from the previous jokey tone

I don't want to belabor this but off as in just tonally different or off in that it looked like a push was being made?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

/r/lostscummers?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I guess then my Q is what would a tonal shift by a single person right then and there mean in any kind of alignment indicative sense?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I must admit, this game is not doing a good job of making hydras look easy to play with.

pinged a little but don't want to say anything more on it right yet

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[Remilia Scarlet]

And for the record, I did want to draw scum here. I didn’t though.

yeah?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

feigned apathy as a defense to one naked pressure vote isn't a good look

Don't like this post; don't know how you discern feigned apathy from disconcern; also am curious as to what you expect town to do here

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I'm going to pull a Nacho and try to let you go about the day without dogging your every post. Maybe you'll change my mind.

other than your general control of the game this is the first post from you that i can really say i "love"

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I think we chase dragons in this thread

this was a heroin reference, lol

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[Remilia Scarlet]

And for the record, I did want to draw scum here. I didn’t though.

yeah?

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I had a talk with bob3141 in another game scum mentality. He introduced me to the concept of give the town something to solve and it actually has worked on one game of mine so far.

I wanted the chance to show up big here.

Huh.
I on the other hand had fever dreams about rolling scum in a game where half the playerlist knew me after not having played for five years

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Yes, but since we are speaking in the hypotheticals, I'd prefer not to elaborate on potential things that could be divined from a tone shift. Hopefully this comes into play for real sometime this game

eh i'm done here but i didn't get as much as i wanted to from it. gun to my head this comes from town

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I think Bulge is town.

off what post(s)?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

VOTE: Bell

I don't like the flip on Midwaybear for not playing ball
I don't like the engagement on muffin wrt morph/muffin comvo. I feel like if muffin weren't attacking morph that vote wouldn't be there

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[Remilia Scarlet]

If Bell is scum that probably makes morph/muffin town-town

i think

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[Remilia Scarlet]

VOTE: Bell

I don't like the flip on Midwaybear for not playing ball
I don't like the engagement on muffin wrt morph/muffin comvo. I feel like if muffin weren't attacking morph that vote wouldn't be there

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Okay. You don’t like it.
Walk me through why you don’t like it.

Why does muffin need to be scum to come in attack morph?
And your progression on midway flipped from someone in town bucket to a scum read in a way that doesn't seem genuine to me. why is midway refusing to answer your Q even remotely alignment indicative (and moreover, to the point that you needed to whiplash the hell out of that read)

p-edit: that doesn't make any sense.

[Remilia Scarlet]

If i’m Scum or town morph is still town because I would be town reading him/her either way.

Like this discounts so many obvious other possibilities that i don't even know what you're trying to say

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Jesus. I go off to work on comprehensible reads list and look at this shit.

what shit

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[Remilia Scarlet]

If I know he’s town I would be town reading him to get out of their way and nk them.
If I think he’s town I would town reading them because they’re probably town.

yeah if you're town then you read them to your best ability i'm not disputing that; and again this is really more about someone being scum for attacking the person you're townreading
Although you've completely like not even mentioned the possibility of you being S-S with them which i already thought was unlikely and now even moreso

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[Remilia Scarlet]

and i don't know how you still don't have a town read on noddy lol, and i completely disagree with bork thinking you taking a 'nacho' approach to them now is a good sign

wanted to come back to this quick - I want to qualify this with that if this is Morph/Secret team then that's out the window. But I definitely see town morph (ffery) in particular wanting to give someone room to play normally and make their alignment apparent more than i do scum backing off a very ME-able secret tunnels

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Outside of those reasons. I don’t see the reason he would refuse a basic repackaging of scum/town reads as town.

He should be fairly interested in what other people have to say if he’s town yeah

? So why refuse?

I don't think midway was not being the bolded by refusing and I don't really want to get into every reason why someone in game might not want to do exactly what you want to say when you say it.

Most everyone else ignored that post entirely - what then?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

i disagree that noddy is all that easily wagoned as town? especially in a game where a lot of people know how he plays?

I'm categorizing the interaction between the two of them as noddy being on the ropes as far as pressure goes is what I mean, and I haven't seen what I would describe as vintage noddy yet, so I view ffery's approach as changing tack more than anything

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[Remilia Scarlet]

^ i wasn't paying attention to this, is bell's sr on midwaybear serious and for those reasons?

I was reacting to 492

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I kind of assumed that was at least partially directed to me, hence the question.

I assume you think I am off base?

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p-edit: are both your heads posting atm because i am getting some mixed signals

[Remilia Scarlet]

As to off base, it's more just wanting to argue this out with zmuffin without players taking sides midway through.

I get that and am largely staying out of it for the moment

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Looks like it's done for now. I don't want to lose sight of the whole game, especially today. And I do want to get my thoughts into a concise form for Maria, because Gent 6 is fond of Lady 1.

having trouble picking out what your read on muffin is after all that, esp considering 668

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Because it was a personal read on you specifically.

that was not even remotely apparent from anything you said prior to this page

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I was in my bed all day yesterday due to sick and I prob should stay in bed resting more but I'm sure y'all missed my pretty self.
So what's up fellas

[Remilia Scarlet]

Oh I haven't read yet I think I need to read like 25 pages which is orz

[Remilia Scarlet]

innocentvillager

That's the name I haven't seen in a long long time

[Remilia Scarlet]

If I go MIA that means I crashed btw
I really shouldn't have closed the window before I go to sleep 2 days ago
But it was such a cool weather outside and I just couldn't resist

[Remilia Scarlet]

I need easy reads so my amount of work done looks inflated.

You see, I have this secret tell that has pretty decent amount of accuracy even without me reading all those pages.
I'm going to use this secret tell and call morph and Bell town for until at least Day 3.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Boo.

[Remilia Scarlet]

I'll give you 10 points if you figure out my secret tell though.

[Remilia Scarlet]

I'll give you 10 points if you figure out my secret tell though.

is post count too easy

You earned it fair and square brother

[Remilia Scarlet]

In a world where I know your secret tell, to NOT save it and then have you mis-apply it when I draw scum against you next would be silly!

It took me full 30 seconds to decipher this post. I really should go back to sleep but I'm in this weird state where inner rebel rebelled against going to sleep.

[Remilia Scarlet]

[Remilia Scarlet]

Maybe I should ask bork for his reads, copy it, and pretend that those are my reads.

[Remilia Scarlet]

I'll give you 10 points if you figure out my secret tell though.

That stopped being a good tell for me the first time I scum-hydra'd with nacho. I think you know that.

There's town all over my iso, but number of posts isn't it.

Oh I wasn't serious. I literally didn't read the game yet still except for like 1~2 pages. And then I saw you complaining about there being no content. So I became lazy mode again.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Ok I should actually just go back to sleep without derailing the game more.
I'll be back when I feel better.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Have this adorable rabbit pic though

[Remilia Scarlet]

Bork you want to talk about how terrible our read of you and GiF is?

I'm not sure what I expected but you've been clearly hinting in some of your interactions with others that we're in a group you're not townreading and I was waiting to see how that would manifest itself.

I expected you to make some sort of burden of proficiency argument about how I'm not obvtown enough or something (which might very well be true here but I don't particularly care right now)
I don't really think I've been shutting down any lines of questioning and made a huge effort to stay out of your interaction w/ muffin until Cabd said you were done.

It kinda seems like you want to call me town but you're not and the angle you've chosen to take on why squicks me a little

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[Remilia Scarlet]

but scum-reading noddy because he didn't include some line about being paranoid when he was giving town reads ? ? ?

I can see ffery doing this

but on one hand you're upset that they went after noddy for something so flimsy
and on the other you're upset that they backed off the pressure at a certain point

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Don't care, just want clarity behind the read

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[Remilia Scarlet]

re Alisae's catchup:

Curious about a few things:
1) Why are you skipping morph's posts in particular? post count?
2) If it's post count, why are you reading bell to the point where you're just utterly shutting down any suspicion pointed that way? I assume you read that slot?

This catchup feels like someone who's been reading the game vs someone who's been catching up in the moment in that it seems to have already decided to handle specific slots in specific ways

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I think a big missing box of stuff is the gif half of your hydra. His content was pretty much ??? at that point in time, and we want to have reads on both heads before moving forward on trusting an overall read on you both, if that makes sense?

GIF has basically not read anything and slept through yesterday. You're going to have to make do w/ me.

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[Remilia Scarlet]

You, on the other hand are doing stuff I think looks like town-bork, and I know you feel like your town game is impossible for me to miss. But, I have confidence I can read both heads, and that's what I want. A townread on both of you. That's the game I want this to be.

I feel like generally I'm the easier to read player of the two and some nagging part of me feels like this is a smokescreeen of convenience in that GIF hasn't been super involved yet. I'm not trying to be combative or alienating here I'm just trying to give this its due diligence. I don't want this to become Forest Fire where we were fighting half the game, and I don't have a backdrop of how scum-you would even respond to such a situation so I'm treading fairly lightly in either case.

I'm somewhat repressing memory of things like Tales of you because fuck that game but I don't recall you feeling you had to do a similar thing w/ Nacho there (and yes I realize that GIF isn't Nacho). I also realize I was scum in that game but I don't think that's germaine to this convo

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fuck i'm late for a meeting

[Remilia Scarlet]

Given how my basing the read on you back then and not trying harder to read Nacho caused me to misread your slot, does it really surprise you that in this game I want to townread both heads?

It doesn't necessarily surprise me but it's certainly not the only reason you might do that and my initial impression wasn't "bork seems town but I'm still paranoid" (which, fine) and more "here's a bunch of town bork stuff but gif is a non-factor therefore imma stick them in my null pile with heavy qualification on my 4th tier"

I have a bit more to say about this but I don't have time right now. I'm trying to reconcile my own perspective with the one you are presenting here.

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I'll come back later I have a killer headache atm. I still wanna look at remilla's iso before the day ends, it's struck me as kind of fluffy

=/

gif has been maybe a 1/6 of our total posts and I haven't fluffed since sunday. Are you still null on my slot?

Be careful, I got scolded hard when I tried to say Rem was scummy, then I flipped on them, and they disappeared.

??? when did this happen? GIF's vote on you was obviously bullshit and I was making a heroin joke w/ "chase the dragon" which I thought I sufficiently clarified.

otherwise i think april's thoughts are internally consistent; their low volume post scum pool

zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

seems like it's derived from poe after townreads rather than a desire to just go after easy targets

p-editx50 I'm around for a bit finally, catching up

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[Remilia Scarlet]

GiF mentioned that you have reads.

Want to discuss them?

gif hasn't said shit to me this game other than he's been sick and wanted to know what I thought about noddy who at this point i think is probably town (although 338 pinged me when it happened initially) but otherwise I think he's been pretty transparent

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I townlean Bell but I don't know how you're interpretting my catch up as shutting down scumreads

I got this from the "Why aren't you?" In the catchup post, as in "Of course he's town, how are you not seeing that?" If that's not what you were saying then I misinterpeted

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[Remilia Scarlet]

He said something in the game thread about trying to decide whether to steal your reads and post them as his.

This was a "I'm not reading the thread" joke

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Bell is the obvious place to start - I feel like his progression on the reads seemed mechanical/fabricated to me
+Joyed is being really weird about my slot in particular and I'm wondering what exactly they're waiitng on from me instead of, you know, just reading my posts
Bulge is posting but I am getting basically nothing off his posts; what's your impression?

April I think is town
SS gutwise seems town
Midway is town
I want to say muffin is town
I think Tunnels is town

Alisae I'll get to in a bit I want to clear some stuff up w/ that slot

Others aren't in the forefront for me atm

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I did see that earlier. That's a blast from the past although I feel like I interacted w/ him more as a mod than I did a player

how does that affect things?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Sell me on April and muffin Bork

More confident about April and I think I explained that to the best of my ability in the last post I made

I think the crux of muffin's push is 1192 which I think he's been pretty clear and transparent about and I dunno I just thought the exchange w/ April looked town

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Why do you want muffin to be town?

That's very clearly not what I said

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I'm not going to get dragged into a semantic argument about how "I want to say muffin is town" is not the same thing as "I want muffin to be town".

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[Remilia Scarlet]

VOTE: plusjoyed

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I literally just did that

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I mean, christ; I'm not going to say I'm taking this read to the bank or anything, it's a read based on what appears to be a good faith engagement on morph and honestly he looks more transparent than morph does

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[Remilia Scarlet]

that they did

I fucking hate this post in case it wasn't clear

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I townlean Bell but I don't know how you're interpretting my catch up as shutting down scumreads

I got this from the "Why aren't you?" In the catchup post, as in "Of course he's town, how are you not seeing that?" If that's not what you were saying then I misinterpeted

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Yeah I was just asking why he wasn't townreading Bell so you misinterpretted

k fair enough

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I feel bad when I was trying to drip a little water on rem but the faucet handle was dinky and it broke I guess.

don't understand what you're trying to say

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Learning it's Remembrance, it all fell into place. Especially him townreading us so quickly, and the insane, unprecedented amount of thinking what I'm thinking that was happening. It's never happened with an unknown player to that degree.

How much was remembrance really around back in the glory days? I kinda remember him (sorry not trying to talk about you like you're not here) kinda on the periphery

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[Remilia Scarlet]

it pissed you off.

it's been known to happen but that's not really where I'm at. +J piling on your comment like that is stretching the bounds of credulity from a third party to the convo between me and you

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[Remilia Scarlet]

oh, icebox, i remember now.

specially him townreading us so quickly

I just literally can't empathize with this kind of shit and sometimes I feel like the only player in the world who just can't meta

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[Remilia Scarlet]

It's just not something I think of doing at this point in a game, it's usually my last resort when I want to confirm a read I already have and that's clearly not the path to victory so I just stopped doing it entirely

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I don't want to derail this into a meta discussion about meta so anyway

I'm still conflicted about Bell. His engagement w/ me on this page isn't really at all what I expected from scum though

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I think I'm being obvtown to players who do know my play

I think one of the things I like most about you is that you realize I'm just not very good at that, at least not w/ you

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[Remilia Scarlet]

What;s your read on +J?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

btw mechanically earlier was me trying to articulate kind of the disregard for nuance, mostly re: Bell vs Midway earlier "Oh you don't want to do what I say therefore scum"

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[Remilia Scarlet]

btw mechanically earlier was me trying to articulate kind of the disregard for nuance

what does this mean and are you referring to someone?

Several people asked me what I meant, I'm answering them

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[Remilia Scarlet]

What;s your read on +J?

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Can both of us answer this? Because it was scum. Then it was townier. But that predates the dustup with muffin and now it's in a weird super position of emotional I don't know.


I need to will myself to read that phase of this game day again.

ofc

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[Remilia Scarlet]

You can think what you want tho.

uytreszdxfgchvjbkl

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[Remilia Scarlet]

And nobody would trust their townreads of me.

It's an arms race that I don't play enough to really experience

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[Remilia Scarlet]

happy scumday!

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[Remilia Scarlet]

It’s okay you got the true obvtown right :p

I don’t know where I want to wagon still.

wrt to my answers on April and Muffin:

Didn't seem like you had an issue w/ April: do you?
Is your muffin read just covered in mud due to vs Morph or something else?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

that he's not crazy and I saw it too

I mean, no shit? I obviously said what was written on the page and I don't think I at all said the other thing and I think that should've been self evident.

I was really just expecting that to bloom into something it didn't.

I've explained muffin to the best of my ability; now what?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

you seem really frantic for a simple inquiry and I don't like it

Don't really think you should presume to know what my emotional state (nervous/frantic is way off the mark) atm nor should have any bearing on my alignment here. At least not in the way you're implying

I think the crux of muffin's push is 1192 which I think he's been pretty clear and transparent about and I dunno I just thought the exchange w/ April looked town

is the entirety of my muffin read

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Think relationship between Bulge-420 is either T-? or S-S

I see literally no motivation for S bulge on T 420 to sort in this particular way; that slot is pushable as hell
and as S-S that seems like a pretty high risk play vs just...not doing that and ignoring and careening into the scum pt at night trying to come up with a plan to deal with the slot long term, which is not really under much pressure atm; so i'm thinking it's just more likely for Bulge to be town here

@fery - GIF sighting in discord. Says he'll be back tonight or early tomorrow. Was bedridden.
told him {+j, bell, alisae, 420, maria} as potential places i have no semblance of townread on (i might just start from scratch on bell i don't know)
I'll be back later too

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Think relationship between Bulge-420 is either T-? or S-S

I see literally no motivation for S bulge on T 420 to sort in this particular way; that slot is pushable as hell
and as S-S that seems like a pretty high risk play vs just...not doing that and ignoring and careening into the scum pt at night trying to come up with a plan to deal with the slot long term, which is not really under much pressure atm; so i'm thinking it's just more likely for Bulge to be town here

@fery - GIF sighting in discord. Says he'll be back tonight or early tomorrow. Was bedridden.
told him {+j, bell, alisae, 420, maria} as potential places i have no semblance of townread on (i might just start from scratch on bell i don't know)
I'll be back later too

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you don't sound like you believe it could be SvS at all, why leave that part in?

1) I don't feel like that's what I said. do you really think that's what I said?

There is definite potential scum motivation here to clear a buddy; I was asserting that I didn't think it was likely to have happened in that way; I think it's incredibly more likely than the first alternative I mentioned.

2) Even if I said I was dismissing both of those possibilities, why would I

not

include my thought process about it?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out.

Also is worth nothing that over half the people in the game are not voting and instead voicing reads; curious to know what you expect to be happening

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[Remilia Scarlet]

i don’t know why you’re separating that.

I'm trying to figure out what you mean and I think I have your answer - people just expressing a willingness to vote
I think on some level you

have

to separate it - having x in a list of scumreads is a lot different than commiting to voting x

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[Remilia Scarlet]

while i scum read the style naturally

jesus I think this is the first time in my life I've heard this from multiple people in the same game (Alisae said something similar) and I don't think my style has changed much in the 5 years I've been gone

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Remelia, Bell, Plus Joyed, and I

Walk me through how you got to where you are on plusjoyed
I'm willing to concede I might've just taken a major wrong turn at Albuquerque on bell
What happened to Morph?

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[Remilia Scarlet]

I stole the walk me through thing from Bork ngl.

reading my old games too? (don't i'm terrible)

-b

[Remilia Scarlet]

I liked the walk me through post you made from majiffy’s gonzo mafia game. It’s a good lead in for requesting clarity from another player or answering a question and puts me into the right mind set to see if the narrative they’re spinning makes sense.

ah yes the game I had to get force replaced out of cause bacde couldn't not talk about ongoing games

anyway gotta debug some shit back in a bit

-b

[Remilia Scarlet]

i'm here, just playing some hades, gonna ping GIF too

-b

[Remilia Scarlet]

{ST, Morph, Midway, April, SS}
{Muffin, Bell, Bulge}
{+j, alisae, 420, Maria}

I'm satisfied w/ how you resolved the GIF thing. I don't think I'd expect you to have made 1741 if you were scum. I just overall don't think you're pantsing me here. Please don't feed those words to me forever.
Not sure what to do w/ Bulge right now but that is in progress. Could go anywhere.
April maybe the one I'm least sure about from this group - 'trajectory' is kind of not followable and is hyper aware about how they are perceived which I am writing off to personality but I think I can see a consistent attempt to sort in head w/ mostly poe, even if it's inconsistent. Meh.
Bell mostly here because everyone is telling me I'm wrong.
Mostly don't see anything wrong w/ Muffin but he's just kinda digging his heels in at this point.
I'm higher on ST than you are but I literally haven't seen a single real post that is making me "hmmmm" at them like you seemed to be

Bottom group is where I'm at; +j just seems slimy to me, the others need sorting.

just my stream of consciousness

-b

[Remilia Scarlet]

GIF has yet to respond and i don't even know what time zone he's in these days so may as well write him off again unless you hear otherwise from me

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[Remilia Scarlet]

eep

1471

[Remilia Scarlet]

bated breath

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[Remilia Scarlet]

almost free-association posting at the start of the game felt really town to both of us.

this is what i had at first as well, fwiw

-b

also cute formatting

[Remilia Scarlet]

Calling us an IC is one helluva pocket-attempt if this is a mafia-bell world.

is this a Bellmembrance specific thing or do you never see anyone doing this to you?
Cause I

definitely

don't agree w/ the latter


Fuck it i'm not signing anymore, gif if you wanna fucking play i'll sign again

[Remilia Scarlet]

Have you been playing w/ bell before this game?

Otherwise I'm kind of astonished at kind of the extent to which you're claiming to know him. six years is a long time.

-b

[Remilia Scarlet]

his soul is trapped and dying a little with every post.

this is Tales of You me like to a T
ask nacho sometime

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Can't discuss this other than blanket yes.

Ok, then don't have much else to say about it. Cool.

[Remilia Scarlet]

I don’t care enough to check whether there are 2-3 or 4 scum in this game. But don’t have a stroke because I might be going for cheap town points.

this fucking guy
didn't this happen in Gonzo? or was that a diff game

[Remilia Scarlet]

Ok maybe i'm hopping on the bell town train

[Remilia Scarlet]

well we know fakegod would make one w/ 2

[Remilia Scarlet]

"Bork, in person and on forum, has one of the most natural scumgames I've seen because of how well his personality meshes with mafia as a game. He approaches the game in the way where it feels like he's taking it apart, but he can and does fake it very effortlessly as scum."

that does not sound like me at all lol. Which game? Don't like I've ever been scum vs sangres

[Remilia Scarlet]

Bicycle

?

fuck i am having to actively stop myself from signing

[Remilia Scarlet]

You were town. It was the Forest Fire Micro. viewtopic.php?f=84&t=62186

that one got a little






heated

[Remilia Scarlet]

good times though would gold saucer again

p-edit: gottem

[Remilia Scarlet]

probably gonna pack in it here soon; wouldn't mind if you'd give me a general impression on my own reads

p-edit: yeah, cool.

[Remilia Scarlet]

very much on the same wavelength as ffery here.

I'm probably not gonna read any of those.

[Remilia Scarlet]

You are my least of the 3, but I’ve already explained in detail what I think of your slot from both a town perspective and a scum perspective, I’m just half willing to sacrifice town you, but also willing to defend you if it’s the better scenario. In the future, I may very well even want you in the town block if you are town. I can see myself correctly reading you later on, and I’m almost at a lean town right now.

what makes muffin in particular such a game changing flip

[Remilia Scarlet]

It could just be the timing of your posts, alongside what actions and momentum you’ve had on the game (which I don’t feel is high, but could be a style thing) but could also be a going with the flow scum, which I already mentioned earlier, I believe we have right now. If that makes sense. So I don’t think you are scum, I think you have scum equity alongside not loving your posts.

=/

[Remilia Scarlet]

VOTE: Secret Tunnels

why is st scum?

[Remilia Scarlet]

Where's your ST read these days?

what's yours?

[Remilia Scarlet]

Improved.

improved to "not my first vote" or improved to town?

[Remilia Scarlet]

I love Rem's lonely hydra tell. He used it to read you as town in the hunterxhunterx game. It was a thought that had never occurred to me before. Hadn't personally had a lonely hydra experience up to that point.

at this point I can't tell if "Rem" is me or bell

[Remilia Scarlet]

contextually you must mean the latter

and guess who i was hydraing w/ in that game hmmmmm

[Remilia Scarlet]

Hi giffy! Feeling better?

feels bad when guy i haven't played w/ in 7 years can pick me out w/o signing and my eternal o/ buddy can't

[Remilia Scarlet]

In my defense I’ve had a long day

apparently

[Remilia Scarlet]

I think best chance of clarity on the 420 slot is replacement #2, which has a nonzero chance of happening

[Remilia Scarlet]

Are you guys not townreading bulge? Why?

I'm leaning town on bulge; i want to know what was going on w/ 1501 because 'why leave the reasoning as to why you decided this was town and not scum elevating a buddy' seems like a stupid thing to say and i'm dichotomous as to what he was going for when he said it

[Remilia Scarlet]

as i posted earlier;
{+j, alisae, 420, Maria}
i should read +j's wall; i haven't at all yet

I am not going to lie I’m very concerned about my varying degrees of townreads of the meta block/the bulge

I posted this list and then went back to this post and i think it's another great reason to townread noddy because i feel like if this is wrong it's a rut that's gonna be pretty hard to rock out of

[Remilia Scarlet]

more like

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I seriously doubt we'll be interested in a +j elim today.

ok, then i really just don't know what the fuck to do at this point and game is losing energy

[Remilia Scarlet]

Remilia Scarlet = BorkJerfkin and GuyInFreezer

BorkJerfkin and more BorkJerfkin
pls change

[Remilia Scarlet]

so why is it being presented in the first line of 1469 as Tv?=SvS>>>SvT

I see what you're trying to say now.

The [Tv? or SvS] thing was the first thing that occurred to me and then I tried to dig into the branching paths of what such a thing meant. [TvX ~= SvS] was not a conclusion I feel I ever tried to present.

leading me to believe you find the two roughly equivalent in terms of likeliness.

I am explicitly stating here that that isn't what I was trying to convey.

(I still also feel like that was pretty clear based on the conclusion of the post and I kind of feel like you're trying to subtly accuse me of being disingenuous)

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Based on the fact that Morph is fully capable of being town leader as scum, alongside the fact that the overall gamestate feels like scum is going with the flow, which a town leader very much can, and they end up being like the decider vote, on top of knowing that Cabd is definitely the type of player that can excel in a spot like that as scum, and seeing it from the perspective, I feel it’s like blatantly obvious to me that Morph is scum. Their scum equity is crazy high compared to that of like Zmuffin, who oh my wow, is prob town.

I don't agree; "there is scum motivation to be a town leader in a go-with-the-flow gamestate" is fine only as a piece to an argument about why they wouldn't do the same as town which I think you're just not addressing

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Ffery you guys see he’s baiting you, right? He’s trying to drown the thread in yet another fight.

April? I don't really agree. I think this is a bout of paranoia.

I’d rather wait and see if I’m wrong rather than misfading them.

I think scum trying to do what you're saying they're doing either votes or at the very least doesn't say this

[Remilia Scarlet]

Kids are still awake and im typing ftom my sanctuary (the bathroom)

'Really dont like this actual push on morph now, it seems like its here as a distraction in that it seems self evidently not viable

[Remilia Scarlet]

I’m not saying we fade them, but there is already proven viability of the benefits of the wagon. Alisae made their strongest action in the game right afterwards.

I dont really follow but i need a bit before im settled in

[Remilia Scarlet]

Just because it's not viable doesn't mean that it's no more than a distraction.

Go on

(I'll accept that maybe I just don't see the world the same way April sees the world)

[Remilia Scarlet]

what the fuck

why that to this vote and not the one before?

[Remilia Scarlet]

eh i guess i transposed the two in my head

[Remilia Scarlet]

he's already mentioned multiple times that he doesn't want to try to execute morph today.

I get what you're saying.
I also think it's just as likely to cloud the gamestate, especially since I think 420 is just basically trolling.
I'm not voting morph.

[Remilia Scarlet]

i think it's kind of silly that you're applying this burden of familiarity

fuck if this isn't why you're town

i'm never going to use meta again but touhou 2 you were being so utterly obtuse about this exact thing

alas i could not convince anyone to vote you

[Remilia Scarlet]

I feel pretty good about all three of you/Morph/zMuffin right now

maybe they get to be the ones who are fucking wrong

[Remilia Scarlet]

Alisae made their strongest action in the game right afterwards.

what was Alisae's strongest action in game? Voicing immediate objection to it?

[Remilia Scarlet]

VOTE: Alisae

I'm seeing the claim and my first instinct is to not trust April because they come up with this bullshit all of the time

"April might be fakeclaiming and is therefore scum" seems like pretty obtuse observation considering where we are: pretty much unprompted and April just having a reputation for being generally out of his gourd. Why not be fakeclaiming looking to shake things up for the 6th time as either alignment

I realize Bulge did this too but I'm reading the back and forth between him and April as a potential attempt to understand and I feel like Bulge might be town for other reasons

p-edit: lol

[Remilia Scarlet]

That's one of the players we haven't done much with and at least I am not ready to attempt a shoot from the hip read. didn't much like their initial catch-up. but have liked the direction of some of their posts since then. Somewhat squinty about townreading us, but Alisae does have some experience playing with neuter-half. Only Cabd towngames, though afaik.

At this point who is legitimately in your pool?

[Remilia Scarlet]

What town role does what

[Remilia Scarlet]

What's the scum motivation for saying "I'll be comfirmable DX otherwise elim me"

[Remilia Scarlet]

Claims in the scenario April does

he literally said why he did it:

Nah, it’s fine.

I claimed the stuff, I have to expect confusion.

I won’t be full claiming, because that’s when it gives scum benefits. Atm, i bet scum is trying to figure out if I’m really an investigative or not, which is the point.

I say I will be able to be confirmed, because I will be able to prove that I am town to everyone here before you need to worry about tinfoil theories.

p-edit: where was the threat before this? from whom?

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Bork my bigger issue is how many times it’s changed

This isn't a "you're being inconsistent w/ your previously play" claim or a "I'm under so much duress right now that any gambit is better than dying now" claim

It could be a "I'm scum trying to throw everyone off claim", sure, but saying "he's probably lying therefore scum" is just a really weird stance to take on that right at this second

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Bork my bigger issue is how many times it’s changed

Honestly who cares

[Remilia Scarlet]

Oi man stealing my take about the entirety of the slot since the get go?

I mean that's a reasonable take at least

[Remilia Scarlet]

It’s adding unnecessary layers to parse to a game that already has a ton.

whenever April's not around I don't really think this

[Remilia Scarlet]

"great, noisy slot will be self-evident eventually, probably got some sort of provable night action, which better them than somebody I have the will to actually sort."

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Remilia Scarlet]

uh i hope you're not missing the very obvious reason that 742 happened at all

[Remilia Scarlet]

you know what sorry, i'll shut up

[Remilia Scarlet]

that's a low blow

Spoiler: bork cabd skype bitching about x-men mislynches

Why are you so high on +j

[Remilia Scarlet]

I don't think the vote is really scummy echoing what IV was thinking and potentially even what Alisae was thinking in that moment.

In your own words what were you thinking?

[Remilia Scarlet]

Mostly tonal, a few things that popped out to me. I actually really hoped we could get a scum case to compare and contrast with. Would you be interested in our very rough outline of our town case in exchange?

yeah

[Remilia Scarlet]

@Morph ok i'm done w/ spoilers"

mostly for me it was:

1) Really seemed like he was planning to jump on me after Bell did circa 1300 and that just never materialized
2) a couple awkward engages from the get-go (see: read on my slot in particular at the beginning of the game)
3) occurrences of hedgy behavior 1894, Maria read in catchup post.
4) things like 857 and even the end of 856 Strike me as a "i need to move somebody up or down a little bit and I'm going to try to find a vehicle for that" rather than the reverse

I'm ignoring the "frantic = scum" argument. It's stupid but I think it's something he might believe as town / feel ok purporting as scum.

There have been a couple posts I liked too 1546 in particular that do seem tonally pretty good so I get where that read is coming from. I stand by what I said earlier; he seems slimy to me

[Remilia Scarlet]

As for me, I am kind of reading it as moonlogic town. I'm effectively substituting the name titus in to all the posts and deciding it makes sense as moon logic town over moon logic scum.

How do you differentiate?

[Remilia Scarlet]

Bork what stands out to you about this?

I think it's what i said earlier: seems like the conclusions were the start point and the reasoning came later for some of them (Maria in particular)

[Remilia Scarlet]

I also have no window into why Maria catapauulted +j into the top of her reads

[Remilia Scarlet]

I'm not super following what you mean by "political" here

[Remilia Scarlet]

Designed to placate people in powerful positions?

[Remilia Scarlet]

Yeah, if he's scum that's essentially necessarily true

[Remilia Scarlet]

Alisae what caused your ST vote in 2419

[Remilia Scarlet]

It’s adding unnecessary layers to parse to a game that already has a ton.

Whatever. I’m fine clowning Ali today, I’m fine clowning Maria.

I don’t want to clown

Bulge
Bell
Bear
Bork
Morph

I’ll vote whoever else. Would rather not vote ss or muffin.

this

I don't see a huge issue w/ that post, either tonally or with the reads presented as they are

[Remilia Scarlet]

if April were actually a PR I am sure he is an experienced enough player to avoid the first couple elims/NKs in some way besides claiming out of the blue. If anything, this should obviously make it more likely for him to be NKd

I think he straight up said that's something he's considering.

but if I see a bunch of bullshit that doesn't make sense from a player whose head is clearly in the game

was under the impression that was kinda his MO.

Again I just don't see the scum motivation other than "it doesn't make sense" which I guess can be some people's way to play specifically when scum. It doesn't sound like it's his.

[Remilia Scarlet]

he was in a bad spot

I guess the crux of the matter is that i don't see this

[Remilia Scarlet]

I would probably be playing this way more aggressively if I were scum.

"this" being what in particular?

[Remilia Scarlet]

Cabd watched my last game

suppose you're going to tell me that water is wet next

[Remilia Scarlet]

VOTE: joyed