Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[The Bulge]

It’s not a secret but I’ll let him introduce himself

fucking lol

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I do have to admit that NS town is just scummy to me though. I’ll just be careful.
hi Bulge, I look forward to playing with you this game!

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any of these votes counting btw?

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pre-game>rvs nacho knows whats good

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newer players are probably also not so used to the open pre-game lobby, but i do agree with morph's analysis

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I did meta-homework on players before the game started.

is this not-spay-head?

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first

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VOTE: prism

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VOTE: prism

Taking it this vote isn't random?

if i were voting at random, i would have picked a more interesting target

[The Bulge]

played the same

in what ways exactly, this early on?

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I guess my answer to that, PlusJoyed, is another question.

What is the goal of RVS?

imo
a brief phase of shit/fluff posting to get all of that silliness out followed by discussion of initial impressions to get the game started

Interesting.

You and I see RVS very differently, and as I was just telling spayhalf, I'm not sure that it's alignment indicative instead of play style indicative.

To me, RVS is a means to an end, and exiting it as quickly as possible is the primary goal. The best RVS is one that ends on the first page. You see it more as a way to "Get out the lulz" before srsposting begins.

this is the first morphpost that's pinging me huh

[The Bulge]

played the same

in what ways exactly, this early on?

towny energy shines through
you know, attempt to solve, general uncertainty, high activity, buzzwords, ect

buzzwords

[The Bulge]

I don't think it's very prudent to compare a handful of pre-game posts to an entire game's worth of content

[The Bulge]

feigned apathy as a defense to one naked pressure vote isn't a good look

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VOTE: prism

Taking it this vote isn't random?

if i were voting at random, i would have picked a more interesting target

a Prism vote doesn't look like an uninteresting target to us. We've discussed them en hydra a bit.

was meant as a [random/choice] joke. if i were meming i would have picked someone i know

[The Bulge]

I wonder.

framing this boredom as a reaction test doesn't make it any less scummy

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I don't think it's very prudent to compare a handful of pre-game posts to an entire game's worth of content

I somewhat disagree. You said yourself that bell was obvtown in my last game with you, and his posts seem pretty much the same here, though I do think the duration being less is a valid point.
peddit: that seems contradictory to 248, explain yourself please

I was scum that game with a pr result on bell so im not sure why you're using that as an example. and where's the contradiction?

[The Bulge]

Bulge is town

Vote on me is boring

youre gonna get me NKd

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Notsci, I wasn't trying to set up a role pm gotcha. I feel gross that one may have happened.

I'm sorry. I'm not getting much in the way of town notes from this encounter.

I'm going to pull a Nacho and try to let you go about the day without dogging your every post. Maybe you'll change my mind.

I don't like what this is framing. I don't know how genuine morph's back-off is (ftr I don't think that is at all what happened here) but the next two lines are kinda icky.

feigned apathy as a defense to one naked pressure vote isn't a good look

Don't like this post; don't know how you discern feigned apathy from disconcern; also am curious as to what you expect town to do here

-b

are you saying this reads to you as anything but theatre?

I can't in good faith say I have any thoughts so far. The votes on me are OK. I might as well throw some gas on the fire and see what happens.

Yep.

Same.

May I introduce myself to those who may not have their eyes able to see in such a sky, my name is Emperor Flavor Leaf, some may call me the Boonienator, aka Boonskiies, also known as I just made that up on the spot.

I am baiting scum to come at me right now, and I have a high force people to react style and a proven track record of catching scum.

Town will also likely come at me, but that’s the analysis part

IS THIS A BOONSKIIES CLAIM?????

I think Bulge is town.

off what post(s)?

-b

Prism vote doesn't feel like scum and liked some of his stuff surrounding Plus. What 274 means will also be helpful towards my read.

i'll get to that eventually but do feel free to remind me

So I've had thoughts since Page 13 but wanted to give more time to see if I could get some more votes on me for reaction. 6 more pages and more than half the playerlist, it looks like this won't happen unless I just want to AFK even now that I have things to say. Kind of disappointing but there's a limit to how self-indulgent I can be. My thinking was that if I'm not going to be useful any other way, I might as well just see what happens if I played openly dismissive. Of the playerlist, I've only played with FL and I barely noticed him either time, meaning I couldn't really open the way I like to. I was really disappointed Morph didn't tag onto the vote given their previous interest, then realized they apparently want to sync their vote, but then still didn't swing it even when the other came around so alas.

Both Bulge and Ffery misinterpreted those posts, by the way. I was never bored/apathetic of the game. I was extremely interested and eager to see what would result.

I don't think I misinterpreted anything I think I called you out pretty clearly?

I wonder.

framing this boredom as a reaction test doesn't make it any less scummy

[The Bulge]

These hydras are driving me crazy and we're only on 13 pages

I can't interpret 2 heads on one slot like at all so I have no confidence in any reads I can come up with on the hydras
I'm gonna focus on iso's and reading non hydras and I'll let other townies sort the hydras

I must admit, this game is not doing a good job of making hydras look easy to play with.

Re: the hydra comment, it wasn't dislike per se, just that there was a decent amount of confusion with regards to who said what (and with IV, who was even part of the hydra/playing in the game), and it was hard for me to follow (and probably even harder for +J to follow).

who wants to tell me the main difference between these two sets of posts

[The Bulge]

hint: it's not in 600 you have to click the quotes

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let's put it this way, i don't believe any answer that was given to that question was going to really tell them anything about something_smart and i don't think they actually thought it would so it just looks like they felt compelled to question something without even thinking about why it matters

I... don't follow this in the slightest. I would assume that they asked that question because my answer was vague and they wanted to know what I meant. Without knowing what the answer is, how can they know if it will tell them anything about me?

your problem is you're assuming morph!town in a scenario where muffin is clearly angling morph!scum

[The Bulge]

@bulge what do you think it is if it’s not a back off

i'm not questioning what it is, just how genuine it is.

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your problem is you're assuming morph!town in a scenario where muffin is clearly angling morph!scum

It doesn't even assume morph-town, it just assumes that there is a town motivation that morph is playing to-- either actually being town, or just trying to build a narrative that looks town. Muffin is arguing that their scum method for appearing town is "ask random questions without thinking about whether those questions actually relate to anything" but my argument is that even if they are scum, they were probably playing to a deeper reason than that, and thus his argument isn't compelling.

gotcha

[The Bulge]

These hydras are driving me crazy and we're only on 13 pages

I can't interpret 2 heads on one slot like at all so I have no confidence in any reads I can come up with on the hydras
I'm gonna focus on iso's and reading non hydras and I'll let other townies sort the hydras

I must admit, this game is not doing a good job of making hydras look easy to play with.

Re: the hydra comment, it wasn't dislike per se, just that there was a decent amount of confusion with regards to who said what (and with IV, who was even part of the hydra/playing in the game), and it was hard for me to follow (and probably even harder for +J to follow).

who wants to tell me the main difference between these two sets of posts

(it's the joindate, complaining about hydrae is more distracting to a game than over-active hydrae themselves)

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MFW every single muffin post he dislikes is from my half.

Oh well!~

too lazy to read for context, whodis?

Bulge are you gonna do that thing where you express a scumread on me in the 11th hour because that would be a drag

Pedit
See the worst part is I could see town muffin doing this and town ffery doing this but I also agree that it’s weird they don’t have a townread on me but it could just be scum muffin appealing to my vanity wrt my obvtownity

idk! i have found success in keeping my read of you private before

[The Bulge]

(it's the joindate, complaining about hydrae is more distracting to a game than over-active hydrae themselves)

Nobody is complaining about hydras being over-active

not what I said

[The Bulge]

It definitely seems to be the implication. What was the point of that line, then?

the second part was a general statement supporting the first part. the line as a whole means I think it is somewhat scummy to lament about hydrae in-thread instead of just playing the game and sorting them, but perhaps not so scummy coming from someone who has never played with a hydra before.

[The Bulge]

all the meta talk bores me

i'll be in morph's iso

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^ i wasn't paying attention to this, is bell's sr on midwaybear serious and for those reasons?

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still tho

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^ i wasn't paying attention to this, is bell's sr on midwaybear serious and for those reasons?

I was reacting to 492

-b

yes that's what i assumed

[The Bulge]

the second part was a general statement supporting the first part. the line as a whole means I think it is somewhat scummy to lament about hydrae in-thread instead of just playing the game and sorting them, but perhaps not so scummy coming from someone who has never played with a hydra before.

You think it's scummy because it's distracting? Or, why did it matter that it was distracting?

I'll preface by saying that this could very well be a posting-style thing. i'm also having a hard time putting this to words so apologies if this is not well-explained

I must admit

, this game is not

doing a good job of

making hydras look

easy to play with

.

italicized are the bits, lets call them euphemisms for demonstrative purposes, that I read as fluff dressing this post up as something other than a simple "hydra bad" post, like +j's 309.

Re: the hydra comment, it wasn't dislike per se, just that there was a decent amount of confusion with regards to who said what (and with IV, who was even part of the hydra/playing in the game), and it was hard for me to follow (and probably even harder for +J to follow).

and some downplaying of the previous post. maybe a +j buddying attempt?

[The Bulge]

These hydras are driving me crazy and we're only on 13 pages

I can't interpret 2 heads on one slot like at all so I have no confidence in any reads I can come up with on the hydras
I'm gonna focus on iso's and reading non hydras and I'll let other townies sort the hydras

I must admit, this game is not doing a good job of making hydras look easy to play with.

Re: the hydra comment, it wasn't dislike per se, just that there was a decent amount of confusion with regards to who said what (and with IV, who was even part of the hydra/playing in the game), and it was hard for me to follow (and probably even harder for +J to follow).

who wants to tell me the main difference between these two sets of posts

also
this is a literal nothingburger and a distraction attempt/lamist garbage, my SR on you just deepened

context. the post before this was originally separated into 5 or 6 different tabs. i decided to not make 5 or 6 different posts in catchup. this didn't feel like it fit lumped in with my other points so i kept it separate.

lamist how?

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italicized are the bits, lets call them euphemisms for demonstrative purposes, that I read as fluff dressing this post up as something other than a simple "hydra bad" post, like +j's 309.

I see. It was a little more nuanced than "hydra bad"-- "look" was the key word there, because I was referring to the confusion that the hydras had caused thus far (as I referenced later). In my opinion, it's a legitimate grievance, and it's still causing confusion. So what makes it scummy?

I don't know how much of my opinion here hinges on the buddying theory tbh. it's a backburner read for now but

in general

, complaints like that are an easy way for scum to appear to be producing game-related content, when in reality they are actively stalling useful discussion.

[The Bulge]

appearing to scumhunt, but going after fluff posts isn't really solving at all, all it does is make it look like your trying to solve

i don't solve day 1. i solve by reading over and over and over and making sure in advance that those re-reads have real content and reactions for me to look into.

[The Bulge]

ie, by following up on scumpings, questioning slots indiscriminately, asking off-kilter direct questions, participating in discussion, etc etc, all very rudimentary day 1 townplay.

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I’m assuming this is your actual opinion since NS is here and statistically you’re prolly not both scum.

are you a gambler bell

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im cool leaving it there for now

[The Bulge]

Strongest town read

Town pings and why.

Any scum reads? Why?

Go.

1. Morph.
2. Maybe S_S he’s different. He’s coming off as honest in his last biggish post. midwaybear initial post. After that back slide.
3. Nope.

Sorry, I don’t really see the point.

Update:
Scum read: midwaybear.

Bell, is this the basis for your read change on midway?

From town to null, yup.

that only really makes sense to me if your reasons for townreading him are contradicted by his refusal to play along. why are you so sure of your expectations?

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I’m not. Which is why it’s a null and not a scumbbq.

see first sentence then.

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You do have a logical point tho bulge.

anything else?

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You do have a logical point tho bulge.

anything else?

Thanks for helping me realize that just because a player does a thing doesn’t necessarily mean what he was gunna do is alignment indicative even if disinterest is scum indicative for him.

i hope you don't think i was fishing for a 'thank you' lol but ok

[The Bulge]

Bulge was focusing on fluff and stuff that means nothing, hiding reads, contradicted himself very early, and also the fact that he didn't respond really to notsci's TR bugs me

have you pointed that contradiction out to me yet?

[The Bulge]

ali any reason you skipped my posts on first read? none are particularly long

[The Bulge]

VOTE: prism

Taking it this vote isn't random?

if i were voting at random, i would have picked a more interesting target

a Prism vote doesn't look like an uninteresting target to us. We've discussed them en hydra a bit.

was meant as a [random/choice] joke. if i were meming i would have picked someone i know

this contradiction bulge
You say if your vote was random you would have picked a more interesting target, but then you brush it off as a random joke and your prism vote was random?

ah. you misunderstood. my vote was not at all random, my response to morph asking if it was random was a joke.

[The Bulge]

I'll give you 10 points if you figure out my secret tell though.

is post count too easy

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yay i have the most points now?

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yay i have the most points now?

Not even close buddy.


Subject: Micro 217: MORPH THE CAT GOES PLATINUM

LEADERBOARDS:

Achievement Number

1) morph the cat - 39 Achievements Total!
2) Baezu - 35 Achievements Total!
3) Bulbazak - 28 Achievements Total!
3) Who - 27 Achievements Total!
5) Amrun - 18 Achievements Total!
6) VoidedMafia - 13 Achievements Total!
7) JasonWazza - 9 Achievements Total!
8) goodmorning - 7 Achievements Total!
9) DoctorPepper - 6 Achievements Total!

Gamerscore:

1) Who - 2736 G Total!
2) Morph the Cat - 2701 G Total!
3) Bulbazak - 2086 G Total!
4) Baezu - 1081 G Total!
5) Amrun - 746 G Total!
6) JasonWazza - 336 G Total!
7) VoidedMafia - 251 G Total!
8) DoctorPepper - 186 G Total!
9) goodmorning - 121 G Total!

why the fuck is this my first nacho game

[The Bulge]

You see, I have this secret tell that has pretty decent amount of accuracy even without me reading all those pages.
I'm going to use this secret tell and call morph and Bell town for until at least Day 3.

SECRET TELL
SECRET TELL
FOR THE TOWNREADS
SECRET, SECRET, SECRET, SECRET TELL!

lmao

[The Bulge]

gameplay question for you +j, would you ever shift a scumread right across the board to a townread or vice versa simply based off of a single post or interaction? or would there always be a 'null' buffer zone in between?

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hypothetically speaking

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hey kitty did you ever reconsolidate your bulge read after that longish post

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UNVOTE:

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and as a general question to anyone who cares to answer: what is the major problem with 955?

i see what youre getting at, but ali really was not included in the gamestart pm if you check the To: line

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that wasn't the issue anyway

eh, no points for me

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nvm i do get points that's what i thought you were getting at

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sup clodpoles

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notty how confident does ffery seem about them and zmuff being opp alignments

i mean how do they seem to you not based on how confident they say they are

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oh cool haha let me read it

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i was lazily keeping up on mobile for a bit but skipped over most of the interaction cuz i knew i'd be reading it tonight

i have some time now soooo

[The Bulge]

shotgun read tho i don't like that playhistory AtE from ffery, and zmuff is being oddly defensive but not odd like scummy odd like shut in

[The Bulge]

all you meta cabal players do weird stuff like that as town tho so idk

[The Bulge]

re:the AtE and the defensiveness

[The Bulge]

sakura flashbacks

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changed my mind about reading right now btw not in the headspace for it

but i'm still here!

[The Bulge]

bell +j ali
midwaybear
I've still got my eye on ss but we're thinking along the same lines a lot and they're showing me a lot of mutual understanding so i like that
----"TOWN" sorted----

???

[The Bulge]

I should use that notes pt eh

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wait how did bell get up that high

[The Bulge]

bell is under the town sort line but above "???"

[The Bulge]

I haven't looked at alisae much closely yet but tonally reads as town and the catchup was fine

[The Bulge]

I'm a miller and he's an insane day cop

[The Bulge]

Why can’t I vote 5 people at once.

there are some hydrae you may or may not like to meet

[The Bulge]

Bell if its any consolation I'm pretty confident hes town this game

Why?

How much of his play do you remember? You remember his early D1 where I kept having to get him to do things?

to be fair! I think my level of engagement with a game thread is affected by 1)my mood any given day and 2)how much fun I am having in that game, far far above any other factor. incidentally I'm only having fun if I feel like I'm onto something. so if i'm scum having a hard time making content yea it's cuz i can't find any opportunity to snag, but you'll see the same behaviour as town if I'm not keeping up with a game properly and have no leads.

[The Bulge]

Lmk how i can assist you joyed. If you have any problems.

@bulge, NS,IAI, hello?

hi

[The Bulge]

had to do kitten stuff and mod stuff

[The Bulge]

my kitten not the one in the hat

[The Bulge]

That reasoning is very flawed.

this is true

[The Bulge]

AtE in a vacuum is not a scum indicator

-innocentvillager

this is true

[The Bulge]

Other than NS town reading the bulge for incomprehensible very unlikely to be right, but I mean it’s a coin flip anyway so okay reasons, do you have any thoughts on the game IAI?

I can't decipher the first half but are you saying one of me/tunnelbois is scum?

[The Bulge]

I've liked bulges recent posts a lot, but I really disliked muffins posts in april vs muffin.

my posting today is very casual compared to yesterday, are you reading for my alignment or my intensity?

[The Bulge]

I’m saying I don’t think their reasoning is much better or worse than rolling the dice when it comes to your alignment.

you don't trust notty's ability to read me? or you don't like the reasons given right here rn?

[The Bulge]

I've liked bulges recent posts a lot, but I really disliked muffins posts in april vs muffin.

my posting today is very casual compared to yesterday, are you reading for my alignment or my intensity?

casual or not, you've come across to me as a lot less filtered and more open, with more town motives shining through than before. So yeah

hmmm maybe i need to dial it back....

[The Bulge]

I don’t think it’s something likely to sort you correctly.
As for that, just based on my last experience with NS, IAI and you and you playing that lovers game as scum (if i’m Remembering correctly NS was scum and you were town)
Absolutely I don’ trust you to be able to read each other lol.

lmao ok yea that question was a little unfair to notty

[The Bulge]

I know that hehe

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morph do you have plusjoy meta knowledge?

[The Bulge]

420 Blaze It replaces Prism. I'll get a new vote count together when not trying to complete tasks and sabotage doors!

Brand new account. Join date of today.

Ye gods I hope this is not some obnoxious shitposting style alt but instead a themeatically appropriate username for a hydra of good players.

this is cabd, yes?

[The Bulge]

I'm not really here yet but later tonight

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Bulge? Balls

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(im reading)

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Bell I'm hoping to get in your mind a little bit

[The Bulge]

what would you say was your motivation behind 483/489? was it more for the sake of the whole thread's pacing, or specifically because

you

were getting bogged down?

[The Bulge]

ie, was it an exercise for the town or an exercise for bell

[The Bulge]

no implications of selfishness or anything

[The Bulge]

Both, silly.

intentionally? as in, before you posted, thought "this will be good for everybody?" or more of an honest "whoa whoa whoa im falling behind"

[The Bulge]

i think that's all i was wondering for now

[The Bulge]

yea that's enough to make 974 add up. thank you

[The Bulge]

the issue is why would scum-alisae be here at game start if alisae had no knowledge of the game starting

I assume because e'd be active in the scum PT and eir partners would point it out?

depends on who alisae is scum with but also i just dont think it's very common for people to say "hey the game has started" in a scum PT

it might take a while for that to even become a thing that scum knows about unless someone immediately mentions "X posted Y"

Something about these posts felt like scum taking some sort of action to help herd the gamestate and create another mindset. It could be defending partner Alisae, or defending townieAlisae.

April can be town for completely ignoring context and jumping the gun on a ping from a misreading in a way that doesn't look fabricated

[The Bulge]

who's all here right now

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but scum-reading noddy because he didn't include some line about being paranoid when he was giving town reads ? ? ?

I can see ffery doing this

but on one hand you're upset that they went after noddy for something so flimsy
and on the other you're upset that they backed off the pressure at a certain point

-b

this is pretty weak

[The Bulge]

not even with their muffin interaction
just their reads in general
I don't see how I went from a scumread to a townread like how April presented it
maybe its because its FL I'm being cautious and I just don't trust him, but the push doesn't feel like its being made to be right

the agenda thing i think is more playstyle than alignment, April was pretty open about this being his MO

[The Bulge]

have you read the game prism?

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are you gonna play tho

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not what i asked

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ok whew

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blaze's iso up to this point had done nothing to demand sincere engagement. I am relieved that they are actually interacting with the game

[The Bulge]

i don't care how much blaze is actively solving or whatever, i am only interested in being able to sort the slot.

[The Bulge]

you don't think full sentences are easier to read and discern alignment from than img tags?

[The Bulge]

timing of those posts is important. I was waiting for anything similar to 1437 before deciding to ignore and write the slot off as a vig shot.

[The Bulge]

I'm not saying I have high hopes for their contributions. my interactions with prism were cut short and i want to complete a read of the slot.

[The Bulge]

that's it

[The Bulge]

that's it

I've been expecting that your squinty-eyes in our direction were going to lead to an attempt to engage and sort us. It's starting to bug me a little that you haven't.

i wouldn't say im putting it off, just not ready yet

[The Bulge]

im not trying to catch you off-guard or anything

[The Bulge]

Think relationship between Bulge-420 is either T-? or S-S

I see literally no motivation for S bulge on T 420 to sort in this particular way; that slot is pushable as hell
and as S-S that seems like a pretty high risk play vs just...not doing that and ignoring and careening into the scum pt at night trying to come up with a plan to deal with the slot long term, which is not really under much pressure atm; so i'm thinking it's just more likely for Bulge to be town here

@fery - GIF sighting in discord. Says he'll be back tonight or early tomorrow. Was bedridden.
told him {+j, bell, alisae, 420, maria} as potential places i have no semblance of townread on (i might just start from scratch on bell i don't know)
I'll be back later too

-b

you don't sound like you believe it could be SvS at all, why leave that part in?

[The Bulge]

Did an impromptu day-trip, mb should have posted v/la.

[The Bulge]

I am not going to lie I’m very concerned about my varying degrees of townreads of the meta block/the bulge

I feel like it isn’t likely we all Drew town.

are you a gambler notty

[The Bulge]

Think relationship between Bulge-420 is either T-? or S-S

I see literally no motivation for S bulge on T 420 to sort in this particular way; that slot is pushable as hell
and as S-S that seems like a pretty high risk play vs just...not doing that and ignoring and careening into the scum pt at night trying to come up with a plan to deal with the slot long term, which is not really under much pressure atm; so i'm thinking it's just more likely for Bulge to be town here

@fery - GIF sighting in discord. Says he'll be back tonight or early tomorrow. Was bedridden.
told him {+j, bell, alisae, 420, maria} as potential places i have no semblance of townread on (i might just start from scratch on bell i don't know)
I'll be back later too

-b

you don't sound like you believe it could be SvS at all, why leave that part in?

1) I don't feel like that's what I said. do you really think that's what I said?

There is definite potential scum motivation here to clear a buddy; I was asserting that I didn't think it was likely to have happened in that way; I think it's incredibly more likely than the first alternative I mentioned.

2) Even if I said I was dismissing both of those possibilities, why would I

not

include my thought process about it?

-b

Are you guys not townreading bulge? Why?

I'm leaning town on bulge; i want to know what was going on w/ 1501 because 'why leave the reasoning as to why you decided this was town and not scum elevating a buddy' seems like a stupid thing to say and i'm dichotomous as to what he was going for when he said it

I was talking about your conclusion in the first line. it's fine to leave in your thought process. but the wording and tone you use to explain the possibility of SvS mirrors the previous line about SvT, leading me to believe you find the two roughly equivalent in terms of likeliness. so I'll ask again

your reasoning tells me you rank the possibilities something like Tv?>>>SvS>SvT, so why is it being presented in the first line of 1469 as Tv?=SvS>>>SvT


if your dichotomy does not include "he is concerned I am setting up for a readflip on his slot" as an option then it is not accurate

[The Bulge]

much as I dont miss the memes, 420's fade is not a good look.

agreed

VOTE: 420

[The Bulge]

looking forward to it! hope she is doing well.

morph I'm assuming one or both of you will be active at some point this evening?

[The Bulge]

Here’s the difference between why Zmuffin is town and Morph is scum.

When Zmuffin got targeted as scum, they flipped out, and kept pushing the same thing, without agenda, really.

Morph, as the highest town read, can’t comprehend why anyone could scum read them, and “literally laughed out loud”. That is a discredit play.

Someone who is that universally town read Day 1 should never question being an idea tinfoil paranoia scum read, even if it isn’t true.

If anything, me scum reading Morph if they are town would help them survive Night kills.

This is why Morph is scum, short reason, anyways.

is any of this proof of morph scum?

[The Bulge]

April says a lot of words that mean nothing

[The Bulge]

The morph push is interesting and while I don’t agree with it, I don’t think it’s a bad thing for this gamestate. The worst thing it can do is cause more noise if we are actually doing an almost good enough job at forming the requisite town blocks (I say almost because, again, someone is wrong). I don’t think it is being done in bad faith, but I will be watching that very closely. I’m also very curious in Maria’s adamance about April/us being SvT.

-innocentvillager

I think we’re TvT or you’re scum who played me yesterday. Either way, I think it makes sense for where your stance on Morph is.

this is the guy complaining about morph's "fluff" right?

[The Bulge]

no, convenient is sitting in my smoking chair with the thread open on my phone in one hand and a Papa burger in the other. I've got a few posts for you in tabs on my laptop

[The Bulge]

kinda?

[The Bulge]

Sorry April.
It’s just really important to me that you use the word equity right.

Based on the fact that Morph is fully capable of being town leader as scum, alongside the fact that the overall gamestate feels like scum is going with the flow, which a town leader very much can, and they end up being like the decider vote, on top of knowing that Cabd is definitely the type of player that can excel in a spot like that as scum, and seeing it from the perspective, I feel it’s like blatantly obvious to me that Morph is scum. Their scum equity is crazy high compared to that of like Zmuffin, who oh my wow, is prob town.

I’m still figuring out how to show you guys they are scum, and there lies the issue.

It’s one of those situations where I know they’re scum, and because there literally isn’t enough info, I can’t prove it, and they know it, and they know I know it, and can’t do anything about it.

So this is all me trying to do something about it. Even if I fail, they’ll know I was coming. Ya feel me, dudes?

Thanks for this. Now I know where to put my time.

I recommend you just try to push me as scum.

But wait, I’ll counter. I’m playing with such confidence because I shall claim the cliché, I will be able to be Conf town come Day 3.

Boom. Mic dropped!

4 is very possible, but not in the plans, if that makes sense.

no offense april but I don't believe you

Doesn’t matter if you believe me yet, i already said earlier I will be confirmable as town this game.

I know

Then I can move to Morph? But I’m not really feeling like a full on war right now. I’d rather just get my conf town status then deal with it later

Might as well just get it out.

I’m playing with the confidence of a confirmed townie for a reason: i will be confirmed town this game.

If I’m ever alive late game, and not confirmed, kill me instantly. It just isn’t a possibility this game.

Unlucky for scum this game.

lmao please stop this

[The Bulge]

If you start calling me scum and aren’t super vague about it like alisae, I’ll start chopping you down too.

I only seemed vague if people thought I came out of nowhere.

Morph definitely did not. They saw the path building up, and mentioned it as soon as it passed a line.

Look at the difference. I did the same thing to Plus and Prism, plus eventually questioned me in an extremely confused way.

Prism didn’t acknowledge then replaced out, which happened after I threw a vote down, might I add. They didn’t come back after my vote was on them with Plus.

I don’t believe I make assumptions about how scum act, I just have researched and deep analyzed about how scum DO act.

I am seriously doubting the efficacy of your skills of "reading the gamestate" if you are so completely unable to remove yourself from the centre of it?

[The Bulge]

You’re trying so hard to be town read and you’re trying to be transparent while somehow also trying to be mercurial.
You’re all over the place. But you’ve said already that you’re more consistent as scum and you’re trying to work on that.

Is this the game you’re working on it, or did you just roll town?

Let me get one thing clear,

I don’t give 2 damns about any of y’all town reading me. I am town, and I am sharing my unfiltered thoughts, no matter what, post game, that is a fact.

Oh, i don’t really try to work on anything in regards to scum anymore, it’s just how I wanna play things.

I am town here, and I have been putting on blast that townies need to take more overall action too.

Like I said, I will find a way to confirm myself this game

, so there is no worry about me endgaming as scum here. I’ll make that a certainty for you, sweet Bell.

forgot to include this in 2264. see bolded.

[The Bulge]

I was merely playing devil’s advocate because I don’t agree with the universal town read on you, and I believe there’s a good chance you are scum.

devil's advocate hahahahahhahahahahhahaha

idk if I had anything to say here really

[The Bulge]

lmao please stop this

Do you believe this claim?

Like I said, I will find a way to confirm myself this game

[The Bulge]

Here’s the difference between why Zmuffin is town and Morph is scum.

When Zmuffin got targeted as scum, they flipped out, and kept pushing the same thing, without agenda, really.

Morph, as the highest town read, can’t comprehend why anyone could scum read them, and “literally laughed out loud”. That is a discredit play.

Someone who is that universally town read Day 1 should never question being an idea tinfoil paranoia scum read, even if it isn’t true.

If anything, me scum reading Morph if they are town would help them survive Night kills.

This is why Morph is scum, short reason, anyways.

is any of this proof of morph scum?

Okay, guys, you saw what I did with Prism and Plus, then you saw what I did with Zmuffin...

I feel at least some sort of trust should be established in regards to this kinda thing by now.

You ignored my question and I really have no idea what you are saying here

[The Bulge]

The morph push is interesting and while I don’t agree with it, I don’t think it’s a bad thing for this gamestate. The worst thing it can do is cause more noise if we are actually doing an almost good enough job at forming the requisite town blocks (I say almost because, again, someone is wrong). I don’t think it is being done in bad faith, but I will be watching that very closely. I’m also very curious in Maria’s adamance about April/us being SvT.

-innocentvillager

I think we’re TvT or you’re scum who played me yesterday. Either way, I think it makes sense for where your stance on Morph is.

this is the guy complaining about morph's "fluff" right?

"i think you're either town or scum, everything adds up!"

[The Bulge]

so why is it being presented in the first line of 1469 as Tv?=SvS>>>SvT

I see what you're trying to say now.

The [Tv? or SvS] thing was the first thing that occurred to me and then I tried to dig into the branching paths of what such a thing meant. [TvX ~= SvS] was not a conclusion I feel I ever tried to present.

leading me to believe you find the two roughly equivalent in terms of likeliness.

I am explicitly stating here that that isn't what I was trying to convey.

(I still also feel like that was pretty clear based on the conclusion of the post and I kind of feel like you're trying to subtly accuse me of being disingenuous)

I interpreted your post as having the conclusion in the first line, followed by an explanation.

[The Bulge]

I think he realizes that he might get elimmed soon, so is claiming something like this in fear.

I think he is using "confirm" to mean "it will obvious to you all" in a blatantly slimey way.

[The Bulge]

I think he realizes that he might get elimmed soon, so is claiming something like this in fear.

I think he is using "confirm" to mean "it will obvious to you all" in a blatantly slimey way.

Nah, i will be confirmed.

explain 2082 then?

[The Bulge]

The morph push is interesting and while I don’t agree with it, I don’t think it’s a bad thing for this gamestate. The worst thing it can do is cause more noise if we are actually doing an almost good enough job at forming the requisite town blocks (I say almost because, again, someone is wrong). I don’t think it is being done in bad faith, but I will be watching that very closely. I’m also very curious in Maria’s adamance about April/us being SvT.

-innocentvillager

I think we’re TvT or you’re scum who played me yesterday. Either way, I think it makes sense for where your stance on Morph is.

this is the guy complaining about morph's "fluff" right?

"i think you're either town or scum, everything adds up!"

You have a surface level way of thinking about it all.

But your discrediting hatcheting attempts are noted.

weird post to respond to?? I was elaborating on what i was saying earlier to bell.

[The Bulge]

I hope it’s obvious to everyone that The Bulge is obv scum discrediting me because I’m pushing Morph.

that theory is interesting

[The Bulge]

{meaning I don't think you believe it for a second)

[The Bulge]

so Cabd and fferylt's scumplan here is for me (bulge) to swoop in the next day and rescue them from the big scary conftown leader?

[The Bulge]

and this is how they thought I should do that????

[The Bulge]

yea
VOTE: April

[The Bulge]

if you're not scum then youre just saying shit man idgi

[The Bulge]

I am asking you who your target audience is here

[The Bulge]

I can talk some s_s

[The Bulge]

if you're not scum then youre just saying shit man idgi

I have a proven track record of town success, just because you can’t understand it, doesn’t mean that it doesnt bring success.

Your surface level of thinking, if you are town here, is a weak spot of your game. I laid down the path of dealing with me this game and laid limitations for myself so that everyone could trust me more. Scum see that later in the game you won’t be able to deal with me, so they have to act now.

This is one reason I’m leaning Alisae over you. I can see you having that surface level town thinking in this situation.

obviously i see you're doing "something" I'm calling it dumb and antitown at best, and your reaction and wherever your theatre is now going are making me reconsider. and who is claiming to understand your method? what does discrediting my town play even do for you here? i mean if that's how you win your arguments cool

[The Bulge]

I can talk some s_s

Does he like to play in the moment as scum?

How relaxed vs serious is he as scum vs town?

oh sorry you meant meta. no can do there sadly

my favourite townread tho

[The Bulge]

if you're not scum then youre just saying shit man idgi

I have a proven track record of town success, just because you can’t understand it, doesn’t mean that it doesnt bring success.

Your surface level of thinking, if you are town here, is a weak spot of your game. I laid down the path of dealing with me this game and laid limitations for myself so that everyone could trust me more. Scum see that later in the game you won’t be able to deal with me, so they have to act now.

This is one reason I’m leaning Alisae over you. I can see you having that surface level town thinking in this situation.

obviously i see you're doing "something" I'm calling it dumb and antitown at best, and your reaction and wherever your theatre is now going are making me reconsider. and who is claiming to understand your method? what does discrediting my town play even do for you here? i mean if that's how you win your arguments cool

Just cuz you can’t comprehend it, doesn’t make it anti town.

If you think for any moment that I won’t try my hardest to catch scum and do whatever I feel necessary to figure out and counter manipulate the game state, you crazy.

I do believe that. but it's like how I could win at volleyball if i started kicking sand around everywhere

[The Bulge]

I can talk some s_s

Does he like to play in the moment as scum?

How relaxed vs serious is he as scum vs town?

oh sorry you meant meta. no can do there sadly

my favourite townread tho

When you have time, I'm interested in what you have about him in this game.

i have a few reads i wanna solidify later so ill prioritize this for then.

[The Bulge]

I have interacted with everyone now, at least a little bit. Maria and Alisae would probably be the least interaction, but that’s fine, I’m more familiar with them.

PlusJoyed
Zmuffin
Remelia
420
Midwaybear
SS
Bell
Secret Tunnel
Morph
The Bulge
MariaR
Alisae

is your read on me actually changing as frequently as you're saying?

[The Bulge]

What's the scum motivation for saying "I'll be comfirmable DX otherwise elim me"

again, just words. I can say "day vig me if I'm not rocking a full frontal of Danny Trejo as my avatar by Night 2", but who the fuck is gonna listen? if April were actually a PR I am sure he is an experienced enough player to avoid the first couple elims/NKs in some way besides claiming out of the blue. If anything, this should obviously make it more likely for him to be NKd, no matter how much he says that scum will keep him alive no matter what until day 3. because again. what makes scum think we are going to all play along with April's game? if he's an invest obviously they want to deal with that

before

he gets results? regardless of any dumb ultimatum? nobody is buying it, so nothing he is saying is based in reality.

April should be self-aware enough to know that just because he said we'll elim him day 3 doesn't mean thats what will go down, and if not out of self-awareness, from the fact that literally nobody is buying it as of right now. so beyond that I'm lost as to his motives. but if I see a bunch of bullshit that doesn't make sense from a player whose head is clearly in the game, I tend to want to string it up.

[The Bulge]

He also ignored basically all of my posts and just shifted his agenda to me and then ali and then back to me maybe for a second there I think ???

[The Bulge]

sorry I'm not ignoring you

was there something other than asking for my opinion on morph v april?

[The Bulge]

I'm weirded out by the mirrored meta blocs all townreading each other but given I am immersed in one (even if I'm not as townread as I should be but I digress) I dont have a clear viewpoint.

It feels like both sides of them are saying "yup this person is playing like they play as town." And the degrees of certainty are mirrored. I think its incredibly unlikely scum is all in one meta bloc or is all in the outliers.

I noted this yea, watching within the blocs closely is probably a good way of keeping tabs on the gamestate for now

[The Bulge]

No, the scum motivation is that he was in a bad spot and way overextended in the confidence of his "reads", so then he decides to claim this role that staves off his elimination for a couple of days while also ensuring that he remains in the middle of the conversations.

The only pressure he was under was self-imposed, and I wouldnt call it pressure of Elimination. It was nothing more than the pressure of mass scrutiny, something to which I'm sure boonskiies is well-tempered

[The Bulge]

I'm weirded out by the mirrored meta blocs all townreading each other but given I am immersed in one (even if I'm not as townread as I should be but I digress) I dont have a clear viewpoint.

It feels like both sides of them are saying "yup this person is playing like they play as town." And the degrees of certainty are mirrored. I think its incredibly unlikely scum is all in one meta bloc or is all in the outliers.

Would you say this is






giving town a puzzle to solve?

I would probably be playing this way more aggressively if I were scum.

yea this is where im at with you if im finally being honest lol

[The Bulge]

It was nothing more than the pressure of mass scrutiny

but this switches to pressure of elimination very quickly

that's what I'm hoping for

[The Bulge]

UNVOTE:

[The Bulge]

Hi bulge. How’s the zoo?

fucked tbh

Where's your head at Bulge?

I was hoping to get shit done today but I didn't end up having time so I figured I'd be present in thread for a while

[The Bulge]

Don’t let scum transition over to Maria. Stick with Alisae.

who is the scum leading a wagon shift?

[The Bulge]

Bell- looks town. Very similar play to when we were town together. Particularly in approach to me, being very hands off.
Morph- Tonally and reviewing our entrance into the thread and dance w/ each other
Borkgiffy- gut. Helps you guys agree.
Bear- liked his early play and trusting your meta read (would be 2nd but doesn’t make sense to outrank you when I’m partially sheeping lol)
Bulge- I think his approach to this game feels like town bulge trying to solve things. I don’t have the little inkling voice in the back of my head about him.
Muffin- I’m leaning town? I still liked his early explanation for the townread on me and I haven’t hated anything he’s posted
Prism- liked his early trajectory wrt us
S_S- I’m not hating anything they’ve posted but they’re kinda easy to forget
Joyed-.
Maria- PoE
Ali- PoE/not noticing my scumread on both of them despite my response to them saying anyone scumreading both of them is prob scum is weird and makes me feel like they weren’t interested in scumhunting

I don't get remilia town

[The Bulge]

Don’t let scum transition over to Maria. Stick with Alisae.

who is the scum leading a wagon shift?

[The Bulge]

I see it but I also really see the point about beeboy asking the thread for reads vs asking maria

[The Bulge]

I don't get remilia town

You've been taking potshots at me all game and I seriously don't fucking get what your beef is

what potshots have i taken this game except at april??

[The Bulge]

like i get im not exactly being transparent with my reads. are uou frustrated about that?

[The Bulge]

what is the problem with my asking for clarification when there is something I don't understand, especially from a slot I've been trying to place?

[The Bulge]

like i get im not exactly being transparent with my reads. are uou frustrated about that?

I'm frustrated that it sounds like you're trying to shoot down NS' read of me in particular

if ns has an incorrect read of you I would love to shoot it down yes

I hadn't gotten near that part yet so I don't know what is causing you to overreact this way

[The Bulge]

I mean his read doesnt seem strong to me based on his initial list and no more so based on his latest post regarding you @remilia

[The Bulge]

so yea im gonna challenge that

[The Bulge]

hmmm

[The Bulge]

let's not flashwagon anyone pls i agree d1 can end soon but can we give it another rl day or two pls thanks

[The Bulge]

Okay but like... I don't get the feeling that you've effortposted to try and DO that yet.

so therefore I'm scum? Because the best thing you can come up with is I'm not doing anything. How does not doing anything where if you're town you are trying to do things win me the game? Because I don't see how this playstyle as scum would win me the game

how is "you're not trying so you're scum" any weaker an argument than "I'm not trying so I'm town"?

[The Bulge]

I'm losing focus if that's it. or is it something i said?

[The Bulge]

I want to get a readslist out today. contrary to what you and april think, i think I might be the NK and I dont want to go out low-info

[The Bulge]

a lot of that is how much time I want to be spending on this game vs how much I actually am. I've been meaning to iso you and muffin for days now but the task only becomes more and more daunting as the posts rack up. April's push against you frustrated me in part because I felt it was mistimed and unfounded compared to what I was hoping to bring. even if I had been continuing to develop my suspicions of you up til now, today wouldn't be the time to press you further if I want to do so fruitfully. as for s_s, I started doing something up yesterday and then realized I may be wrong with my read there, so that will need some more attention as well. at the risk of making more empty promises, I am hoping to get some more substantive content out today and to recentre myself in this game.

[The Bulge]

a lot of that is how much time I want to be spending on this game vs how much I actually am. I've been meaning to iso you and muffin for days now but the task only becomes more and more daunting as the posts rack up. April's push against you frustrated me in part because I felt it was mistimed and unfounded compared to what I was hoping to bring. even if I had been continuing to develop my suspicions of you up til now, today wouldn't be the time to press you further if I want to do so fruitfully. as for s_s, I started doing something up yesterday and then realized I may be wrong with my read there, so that will need some more attention as well. at the risk of making more empty promises, I am hoping to get some more substantive content out today and to recentre myself in this game.

No you just wanted me to be wrong, difference.

Or You wouldn’t have went after confirmable townie.

wrong about what?

[The Bulge]

did you think I was defending morph?

[The Bulge]

@Tammy

mariar should be Maid Cafe in the vc

[The Bulge]

Probably Town

Secret Tunnel : notty knows what he has to do this game, and he knows he doesn't have to go far out of his way to do it. as scum we'd see a more active approach at immersing himself in the game with this playerlist, instead he's sinking right in without waiting for an invitation. intra-hydra discussion seems good as well.

zMuffinMan : the rigid stance he takes about where he thinks others' reads should be is the most interesting thing here, but this slot needs some more attention from me.

A few odd things

Bell : overall the easiest to get a town feel from but I'm stuck on the midwaybear thing and how easily it went away. otherwise only a small handful of eyebrow-raisers in an otherwise very lengthy and very townvibey iso, probably nothing I'll bother probing for now

Alisae : motives are usually transparent, although that could be a self-awareness thing and NAI. still tonally feels like town to me but the last few pages of lazy defenses under pressure haven't impressed me. don't know what to make of that. probably won't vote here today.

Boonskiies-tier

April Ludgate : intentionally playing hard-to-read or hiding in plain sight; at this point in time I can't really care about how confident my read of this slot is or is not.

Keeping my eye on

Remilia Scarlet : a lot of poking and prodding around, but always along very safe lines of questioning. avoids replicating the "lonely hydra tell" that got ns townpoints but keeps it at arm's length. I'm all for discrediting my own meta as a means of reading me but the way he goes about it in such a meta-heavy playerlist strikes me as odd. spent the better part of the game fence-sitting on my slot, which tbf so did like everyone, but he surveyed the room for some input several times. our latest interaction was especially weird to me because in all our previous exchanges, bork seemed to be happy actively meeting me halfway in terms of how he was communicating, so I didn't expect such an emotional outburst the moment I expressed any sort of doubt about his towniness.

Something_Smart : I found it strangely easy to shift to a townread on this slot just from how our main interaction concluded. I almost forgot about the suspicions I brought up at the start of that conversation. that got me thinking about how s_s has been focused this entire game, it seems, on appearing to be town without making any push that would cause too much disturbance in the greater gamestate.

Cautious

morph the cat : there are still a few very specific things I would like to explore with this slot besides a blind iso-dive. the noting of the shifty eyes has been noted for a long time.

Popular Opinions

midwaybear
420 Blaze It : I didn't like Prism's pre-game or entrance at all, but I haven't looked back on them since others have cited those posts for townleans. joining the la-z-wagon of "Probably unsortable atm."

Maid Cafe : Maria was fairly neutral, but I liked her readlist naked as it was. Not a fan of the hydra entrance or anything beeboy has posted so far. I could vote here today.

Confidently Town

PlusJOYED : consistent, open, unabashed, anyone with a serious scumread here is not reading closely. playing more methodically than anyone would ever care to admit if scum.

[The Bulge]

ayup

[The Bulge]

squinty is the word i was looking for but yes that was my intent

[The Bulge]

I don’t think you wrote anything for midway

you'll find he is filed under "Popular Opinions"

[The Bulge]

now you're onto something

[The Bulge]

ScumMorph could also be trying to get TownAlisae faded here even with their actions, if that makes sense. I also think they're setting to kill me in the night based on the way they've been talking about my slot. "Revisit late. revist. revisit."

when I die, dont let them get town credit because they were "planning to revisit"

posts like these make me wonder if any of april's posts are genuine or just assortments of hypothetical statements

[The Bulge]

I wonder how many human players we even have, what with all these neural networks and newfangled quantum computers running around.

I like to think of the Bulge as more of an

experience

than a human player.

[The Bulge]

hmm idk if any of the catchup posts I have tabbed will cover this, so I should say my townread of alisae is strengthening

[The Bulge]

I wonder how many human players we even have, what with all these neural networks and newfangled quantum computers running around.

I like to think of the Bulge as more of an

experience

than a human player.

a collective experience, if I may add. there should be an edit button only for joke posts.

[The Bulge]

Townreading the aggro. We'll discuss tomorrow and see where we go.

It’s not aggro, Alisae knows I don’t care, they even said it.

was expecting more "called it" here tbh

Morph, possibly midwaybear, possibly The Bulge. Probably Maria.

I just really don't think we're in a town Alisae world. midwaybear actually makes more sense with Alisae, but even then, i would analyze before trying to full push.

why is your read of me so dependent of Alisae's flip? the way you framed the associative here certainly doesn't seem like it would work the other way around? especially with your explanation here a few posts later? even tho it's in response to a hypothetical scenario where alisae is town, the quoted post doesn't make sense between the two I linked.

[The Bulge]

I'm all for discrediting my own meta as a means of reading me but the way he goes about it in such a meta-heavy playerlist strikes me as odd.

I'm really having trouble grokking what you're trying to say here. That i'm deliberately subverting my meta?

Also can you reorganize that this into something that goes by likeliness to be scum? Some of the slots you comment on don't seem like they should be where they are (zmuffin in particular). Hard to tell in groups 4, 5, 6 where you're actually comfortable voting (and +j as a MUST TOWN at the bottom threw off my assumption that these were in order)

What's your beef w/ Maid Cafe in particular it seems like you're giving them a higher requirement to sort themselves into town ("would vote there today") than you are on 420 ("probably unsortable" - i am implying you wouldn't vote there today. feel free to correct that).

not subverting (if I understand your meaning), just downplaying its significance to this game. I'm too lazy to look and link but there are multiple instances of this in your iso.

an ordered list would probably look similar, but with my top 3 scumreads on the bottom instead of plusjoyed.

I don't think the two phrases you quoted are at all related. I have no beef with maid cafe, like I said they are mostly null, but I have much much higher hopes that they will make themselves more readable today or tomorrow than I do for 420.

[The Bulge]

@Bulge - It’s not. You’re actually the slot I feel I have the least complex read on

ok

pedit ok

[The Bulge]

those aren't meant to be dismissive 'ok's, just wanted to acknowledge your replies.

[The Bulge]

April who seems like town

THE MAGIC CONCH HAS DEEMED US WORTHY OF A FEW MORE READS IN THE THREAD


Your iso tells me...

Townreads: {April, PlusJoyed, Midway} {Muffin, maybe?}

Scumreads/Not Great Reads: {Maria, Bulge}

Is that an accurate summation of your major thoughts, at present?

saw this, and was impressed/agreed. doesnt seem like this style of quasi-readable posts is going to be coming in with any sort of consistency

[The Bulge]

only i would never use that colour because it looks atrocious on mafsilver

+1

[The Bulge]

Idk. I feel like it feels too easy.

Like he meshed the make me wait for my townread with his scumplay?

is it inaccurate?

Okay so in that micro game he sat on his read on me all day to get as many associatives out of me as possible and clowned my buddy primarily based off a case of my associatives.

I feel like he did that same waiting trick (which weve mentioned a few times in this thread) but idk. I dont get the warm fuzzies from it. It might just be me.

the difference being I had an early sr on you that game? I was truly null early here. and if you'll notice, you're far from the only slot I've been cryptic about this game.

[The Bulge]

@bulge I don’t like your plus read please show me the light because he does not seem at all interested in the reaction tests and other antics done by April in particular when I’ve seen it so far twice from him as town

consider that there is a lot going on this game and it is a playerlist unlike anything plusjoyed has played with before. but I do see the possibility of him cherry picking whatever is easiest to apply his robotic alignment-sorting practices. sorry if that doesnt make sense im off to bed

[The Bulge]

but I do see the possibility of him cherry picking whatever is easiest to apply his robotic alignment-sorting practices. sorry if that doesnt make sense im off to bed

I’m still confused, are you saying you’re acknowledging plus could be scum despite your early confident TR of him?

yes

Like does cherry-picking imply scum!cherrypicking?

-innocentvillager

no!

[The Bulge]

waiting on flavour claim as well

[The Bulge]

with the disclaimer that this is an obvious 'troll alt' so he

probably

planned to play like this regardless of alignment. maybe

I'm thinking what we're seeing is actually apathy towards the thread-length, with no shame or apologetics because it's a secret alt

[The Bulge]

while we're talking about how bad it is to kill players everyone agrees on, when was the last time we all had a serious discussion about wagonning someone who is not mariab/alisae/420?

[The Bulge]

while we're talking about how bad it is to kill players everyone agrees on, when was the last time we all had a serious discussion about wagonning someone who is not mariab/alisae/420?

like how much info are we

really

banking on if whichever of these we go with flips green? given that everyone for the most part seems pretty in-line with this limpool.

[The Bulge]

personally

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