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well thats a lot of spam, i guess the timezone difference could end up being an issue
i almost want to vote norwegianboyee for the annoying one line spam but given you are probably the only one in the same timezome as me ill ignore it for now
Anyway I don't really want to argue against the townreads on me because I think that is awkward, however what I will say is that I would probably not townread someone for doing it because I am of the opinion that as scum it is very easy to push policy lynches as it is easy to justify and a good way of participating in the game.
In other words if Jester is town then it would be very easy for scum to justify a vote on him because due to his play he is pretty much just a policy lynch at this point.
I actually agree with what Jester said regarding meta and I am sure he understands that that is why I am voting on him. Do I believe Jester is scum? I am of the opinion that it would be dumb and a bit shitty towards your teammates to vote on yourself as scum as it is an easy way to put yourself out as a policy lynch - but I absolutely refuse to townread for him. I am also of the opinion that town should absolutely never vote on themselves because the only one they know for certain is town is themselves. I believe giving someone a pass for self voting is a big mistake as it essentially opens up for scum doing it for easy town credit in the long run.
I also think it is an easy way for Jester to try to make it part of his meta and I think that is awful so no matter what his alignment is I will push for it out of principle. So yes if Jester continues voting on himself I will also vote on him- duppin
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Could you elaborate on this?In post 362, Redados wrote:I'm scumreading Saudade.
he never explained why he scumread him though.In post 366, shellyc wrote:
saude plays like this as town; very distinct tbhIn post 362, Redados wrote:I'm scumreading Saudade.
but now that you brought it up could you explain this? I dont think ive ever played with him before in fact im not sure ive played with anyone here before unless there are alts around, so its hard for me to follow all the meta reads being thrown around.- duppin
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i have to admit that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.In post 364, Redados wrote:I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious- duppin
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why would i? I am not the one using meta to defend or push him, if you want to push meta then it's you are free to explain it to me if you want me to take it into considerationIn post 596, shellyc wrote:eh just read saude's games
indeed, but that is exactly what it was. I am trying to tell jester that if he is town he needs to stop it because he seems to believe i am town and all it is going to accomplish if me tunneling on him594 was pretty weird, seems like you trying to make a wall but your huge paragraph is mainly about how you will vote jester. seems tacky and overexplain-y- duppin
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yes but just complaining about the state and not attempting to move it in a direction is suspicious to me. he seems to be complaining about the game state and being very careful with his reads (he essentially ended up only giving town reads) which to me indicate is trying to avoid confrontation while still appearing active. I am perfectly aware it might be too early to tell but that is the impression I am left withIn post 598, shellyc wrote:duppin what other reads do you have
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Yes but that is actually what I said. It is also why I said that while I would not argue against the townreads on me I would not have townread someone else for doing it because if Jester is town then what I did is the easiest thing in the world to justifyIn post 599, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I believe voting Jester for voting himself is a big mistake as it essentially opens up for scum to wagon an slot that if flips town they can justify themselves by saying they were voting for a policy elimination.In post 594, duppin wrote:I believe giving someone a pass for self voting is a big mistake as it essentially opens up for scum doing it for easy town credit in the long run.- duppin
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But do you believe self voting should be normal?In post 605, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Also Jester is just joking most of the time, i can tell he's going to seriously play the game. And he even has been, posting reads and posting some votes for people other than him.
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I have already exlained why I think he should not do it and I think accepting letting someone incorporate into their meta is a mistake and it's one I can see causing a lot of WIFOM if it continues especially if other players start accepting it as jokes as well. But again yes this is nothing but a policy vote and I am well aware that I am pretty stubborn regarding this but yeaIn post 607, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Define normal?In post 606, duppin wrote:
But do you believe self voting should be normal?In post 605, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Also Jester is just joking most of the time, i can tell he's going to seriously play the game. And he even has been, posting reads and posting some votes for people other than him.
I don't think he's been an slot worthy of exile just because of his comedic tendencies.
As in do i think it's something people should seriously do as an AtE tactic? No. And it's easy for scum to copy that behaviour.
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you are free to find me suspicious or vote on me for doing so I have no problem with that whatsoeverIn post 608, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I don't mind anyone voting Jester if they genuinely scumread him. But voting purely with the explained reason that they fundamentally disagree with self-voting is where i draw the line.- duppin
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Okay that's fair, anyway I've explained my position regarding this but it doesn't mean I'm going to tunnelvision, keep my vote parked on him or anything of the sort, all it means is that as long as we are both alive it is rather likely I will vote on him if he selfvotesIn post 614, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I don't really find it suspicious or scum indicative that you stand behind the position you've taken. I just fundamentally disagree with it.In post 610, duppin wrote:
you are free to find me suspicious or vote on me for doing so I have no problem with that whatsoeverIn post 608, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I don't mind anyone voting Jester if they genuinely scumread him. But voting purely with the explained reason that they fundamentally disagree with self-voting is where i draw the line.- duppin
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I decided to go ISO Jester one more time.
I do actually believe he is town. I absolutely hate his self voting and I hope he stops doing it, but I am not interested in creating unnecessary distractions by pushing a policy lynch apparently no one else agrees with when I believe the player is most likely town.
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I would also like to quote this:
I do not think you ever followed up on this but I understand that you might be waiting for someting, I just wanted to quote it to make sure it is not forgottenIn post 330, shellyc wrote:
I'll come back to this later. but I have a reason for my confidenceIn post 327, Odd Day Jester wrote:?- duppin
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I believe bugs is town because he initially attempted to push a policy lynch on Jester as well but then revaluated his read and pushed elsewhere which to me seems to indicate he was actively trying to solve the game when he could have easily just camped his vote. I was briefly considering that it could have been an attempt at distancing but I think that is unlikelyIn post 620, shellyc wrote:
sell me on bugs town when all they did was push on noraaIn post 604, duppin wrote:Bugspray is my toptown by far at the moment.- duppin
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I never said it's useless, I said I think it's bad. Also as for trying to sort anyone, how am I not? I'm trying to engage red at the moment and I was also waiting for you to elaborate on the Saudade meta read since you claimed his town play was very distinct but I assume you do not want to elaborate on it. I actually checked one of his towns game just to see the day 1 and I do not understand what you picked up on but it's definitely possible I missed it especially seeing as I have no experience playing with himIn post 619, shellyc wrote:BS about jester's self voting is useless. you're not trying to sort anyone and I don't like it.- duppin
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But he did absolutely nothing with it. He did not try to engage anyone or push which lead to me thinking he is trying to avoid confrontation.In post 622, shellyc wrote:
redados SR'd saude, didnt he?In post 601, duppin wrote:yes but just complaining about the state and not attempting to move it in a direction is suspicious to me. he seems to be complaining about the game state and being very careful with his reads (he essentially ended up only giving town reads) which to me indicate is trying to avoid confrontation while still appearing active. I am perfectly aware it might be too early to tell but that is the impression I am left with
but you've made your point, I'll sort redados later as I have experience with them, for now I want to sort you + Grendel first- duppin
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So Saudade I have my own take on this but would like to hear yours first actually. Do you think this is a scumtell?In post 553, Saudade wrote:I may be wrong but did he just shade every single active slot in one way or another- duppin
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I was hoping for something a little more elaborative. I am not saying I disagree with you but I would like to hear your logicIn post 632, Saudade wrote:What? Casting doubts at every slot you come across? Yeah it is- duppin
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No I do not want you to teach me anything. I'd just like you to explain your thinkingIn post 635, Saudade wrote:Like... Do you want me to teach you how to scumhunt?- duppin
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Sure but this was not about universally townread slots but about a player finding a lot of players suspicious.
As I said I do not disagree that finding every slot suspicious is questionable but on the other hand and this might not be the best read actually, but something I've noticed in a lot of less experienced players is overthinking things making them I don't know scared I suppose for the lack of a better word to commit to a townread on someone because they keep thinking of ways the slot could be scum. It doesn't only happen to less experienced players, some players are also to proud etc. Overall I agree with the sentiment that being non committal is scummy, but my impression of that slot that this is his first game in a long time and his reads comes more from being paranoid which I associate with town rather than to throw shade at players. I could be wrong because I am a bit torn on him- duppin
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I will also gladly admit that my read is probably influenced by the fact that you called him out and I find you slightly suspicious because to me you came across as just wanting to be heard rather than actually trying to solve. The different meta reads being thrown at you does mean I might not be totally fair when evaluating your slot though and you did admit you don't really have much to go on early on which I obviously understand but yea- duppin
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oh thats tempting actually
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hm I could probably buy that. When you've caught up please let me know who you find suspiciousIn post 745, Redados wrote:
trying to do more of a stream of consciousness for this game just because of the sheer number of pages, I am not being very careful especiallyIn post 597, duppin wrote:
i have to admit that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.In post 364, Redados wrote:I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.
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but surely you find some people more suspicious than others? I am not asking for detailed reads at least not yet, just some namesIn post 750, Redados wrote:
I've caught up, but I've read everything exactly once. I plan on keeping it that way, because of the sheer number of pages. When we get to something more consequential, like a lim, or if someone asks me to expand on a read, I will ISO dive or reread. But because we're 20 pages past less than 24 hours in, I can't do as much re-reading as I have done in my nine player games.In post 747, duppin wrote:
hm I could probably buy that. When you've caught up please let me know who you find suspiciousIn post 745, Redados wrote:
trying to do more of a stream of consciousness for this game just because of the sheer number of pages, I am not being very careful especiallyIn post 597, duppin wrote:
i have to admit that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.In post 364, Redados wrote:I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious- duppin
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I see, but could you explain what you are waiting for at the moment then? you don't seem to be pushing in any direction and you seem to be fine with everything that is going on which surprises me given the fact that you were very vocal about not liking the current game state earlierIn post 755, Redados wrote:
not sure yet beyond what I've already said.In post 751, duppin wrote:but surely you find some people more suspicious than others? I am not asking for detailed reads at least not yet, just some names- duppin
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But why don't you try to push a wagon then?In post 757, Redados wrote:
I'm waiting to see some real wagons and how people react to them as opposed to these reaction-test wagons.In post 756, duppin wrote:
I see, but could you explain what you are waiting for at the moment then? you don't seem to be pushing in any direction and you seem to be fine with everything that is going on which surprises me given the fact that you were very vocal about not liking the current game state earlierIn post 755, Redados wrote:
not sure yet beyond what I've already said.In post 751, duppin wrote:but surely you find some people more suspicious than others? I am not asking for detailed reads at least not yet, just some names- duppin
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@Redados you never responded to it but I am really curious as to why this is the case. I said my earlier read on you was that you were being very careful and non-confrontational which I find suspicious, so the fact that your plan now is to wait and see what everyone else does, doesn't really help my read on you. I will say one thing that kind of makes me hesitate on you is that it feels like a lot of people are scumreading (and you are only at 2 votes at the moment I believe) which I am not sure what to make of yetIn post 758, duppin wrote:
But why don't you try to push a wagon then?In post 757, Redados wrote:
I'm waiting to see some real wagons and how people react to them as opposed to these reaction-test wagons.In post 756, duppin wrote:
I see, but could you explain what you are waiting for at the moment then? you don't seem to be pushing in any direction and you seem to be fine with everything that is going on which surprises me given the fact that you were very vocal about not liking the current game state earlierIn post 755, Redados wrote:
not sure yet beyond what I've already said.In post 751, duppin wrote:but surely you find some people more suspicious than others? I am not asking for detailed reads at least not yet, just some names- duppin
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so why did you think it was shelly?
just to avoid confusion, does this mean you are still scumreading shelly or not?In post 863, Tayl0r Swift wrote:ok im all caught up.
yes, im caught up from the very beginning.
of page 30.
so far redados is scummy
not sure why shelly is pushing me, it seems no one else agrees? shelly has had some interesting takes.
im watching noraa.
does norwee roll only scum in normals?- duppin
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hm I am going to be honest Noraa, if you are town you are mislynch bait.
60% of your posts are fluff and the rest of your play is just reactionary which I'd normally consider to be a scumtell. You're not really doing anything proactive whatsoever, the readlist you just gave before gives the impression you're not really trying to figure out peoples alignment (like mixing me and bugspray up at this point is really weird to me). It doesnt really feel like youre putting in an effort to solve peoples alignment, however I am not convinced you are scum at all as this could indeed just come from a new player as well but yea if you are town then I sincerely hope you can be a bit more proactive- duppin
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once again quoting just to make sure this isn't lost (I also have not forgotten about the thing shelly promised to follow up on later)In post 875, bugspray wrote:i am slowly catching up and taking notes thank you for not making too much content- duppin
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I was okay with Tayl0r's predecessor but not sure what to think of the slot at the moment. I know Jester already asked you to explain why you find his read on Saudade opportunistic but I would also really like to hear your read on Saudade since you did throw slight shade towards him earlier saying him being silent is a scum tell, I am well aware you were being sarcstic about your vast experience with him but still you never mentioned him after that.
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i see, well then my question would be why are you not trying to push harder on redados?In post 1025, UNOwen wrote:
Ask specific questions and you shall receive specific answers.In post 1022, duppin wrote:@UNOwen I'm going to need to hear some more from you. Some reads or thoughts on the game please
In general though I think Redados is most suspicious and am surprised there's not more interest in the wagon against him. Shellyc's earlier behaviour with Jackson was also suspicious but it remains to be seen if she has a more compelling explanation for that read. Outside of that I get the impression that despite the high quantity of posts this game is spinning wheels. Jester's read list that was unable to identify scum felt like a fair and honest assessment. Perhaps once saudade is no longer vla, the replacements are made, and the catch-up players have caught up there will be more notable developments. For now I am satisfied with what I am pursuing.- duppin
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why do you like saudade for town?In post 1032, Mundivore wrote:Hrm. I'm tired of all the fluff.
It feels like there hasn't been any really consequential scumhunting at all in these entire forty-two pages. Nobody has made behavior with actualstakes. I don't know if I can confidently eliminate even a single pair of scumbuddies with any degree of confidence.
Things won't happen unless town starts voting for people. I've been part of the problem, but it's easy enough to fix.
VOTE: Saudade to E-2.
I actually don't like this wagon. I like Saudade for town. However, either this entices scum out to put more votes on people, or I get shown a more compelling wagon, right? But somebody really needs to start taking risks for us to actuallylearnthings.- duppin
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sure that's fair, but i would still like to hear your read on SaudadeIn post 1053, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
thats basically how i operate. youre gonna see me throwing some random shit at random walls for a while until i get settledIn post 1023, duppin wrote:I was okay with Tayl0r's predecessor but not sure what to think of the slot at the moment. I know Jester already asked you to explain why you find his read on Saudade opportunistic but I would also really like to hear your read on Saudade since you did throw slight shade towards him earlier saying him being silent is a scum tell, I am well aware you were being sarcstic about your vast experience with him but still you never mentioned him after that.
actually i'd also like to hear your read on Mundivore since you said one of their posts concerned you but then you never mentioned them after that either
hm okay i can maybe buy this, my initial concern was that Saudade had done absolutely nothing to warrant a town read in my opinion (unless it's a meta read of course). Don't get me wrong I don't think Saudade has been super scummy either but i find it slightly suspicious if someone has a townread on him because it gives me the impression they know something i do not. It actually makes me lean slightly more towards Saudade possibly being town simply due to the fact that I have a hard time understanding how a town player would have a townread on him at this point especially since several of the players in this thread seem to suggest that Saudade is a really good player. I have personally never played with him before but if he is a strong player then it does not really make sense to me that people are townread him when he hasn't really done anything so far since he has some real life stuff going on at the moment. so yeah when you call a townread on him to me it comes across as you trying to gain some towncred in case he is town and is mislynched, and the fact that you voted on him even though you thought he was town is just.. weird. It gave me the impression you wanted to vote on him but wanted to avoid the lashback at all cost in case he is mislynched (if we assume he is town in this scenario), but on the other hand I just think it's such a weird way for you to do that if you are scumIn post 1101, Mundivore wrote:
If I'm going to be honest? It's simply because I don't understand the cases against them, and because nothing they've said pinged my scum radar. I've not gotten a gut 'ping' against them, and with the amount of output this thread is creating, keeping up with it is all I can do. Rereads are prohibitive with how long this thread is. If you still feel like your case is strong, and can succinctly summarize it or easily reach a link back to the primary context, I'd appreciate it.In post 1052, duppin wrote:
why do you like saudade for town?In post 1032, Mundivore wrote:Hrm. I'm tired of all the fluff.
It feels like there hasn't been any really consequential scumhunting at all in these entire forty-two pages. Nobody has made behavior with actualstakes. I don't know if I can confidently eliminate even a single pair of scumbuddies with any degree of confidence.
Things won't happen unless town starts voting for people. I've been part of the problem, but it's easy enough to fix.
VOTE: Saudade to E-2.
I actually don't like this wagon. I like Saudade for town. However, either this entices scum out to put more votes on people, or I get shown a more compelling wagon, right? But somebody really needs to start taking risks for us to actuallylearnthings.- duppin
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oh as for my own read on Saudade I said early on why I thought he was slightly suspicious earlier, generally it comes to me getting the impression that he was just trying to be heard and make sure he had a presence without actually attempting to game solve. My initial plan was to just give him some time and wait for him to do something. he and a couple of other players talked about him having good reads and I have to admit I thought it was a bit odd how he kept talking about his own good reads while also saying he had no real reads yet since it is early on in the game. Don't get me wrong it obviously makes sense for him to not have good reads yet and it is definitely not fair for me to call him out for that, but i think you will agree that it is harder to fake good reads as scum which was why I wanted to give him some more time to see if he would come with these so called "god reads", but then a little later norwee decided to vote on him which I did not expect, but I decided to join the wagon since I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen. Unfortunately he had to deal with some real life stuff which made the push rather lackluster in my opinion- duppin
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shelly I'm going to bring this up again simply because I want to know if this is something you are going to follow up on day 1 or not. (at least I do not believe you have followed up on it yet?)In post 618, duppin wrote:
I do not think you ever followed up on this but I understand that you might be waiting for someting, I just wanted to quote it to make sure it is not forgottenIn post 330, shellyc wrote:
I'll come back to this later. but I have a reason for my confidenceIn post 327, Odd Day Jester wrote:?- duppin
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could you please share reads then. you were my top town early on and I still believe you are more likely to be town, but I am not entirely sure where you are at at the moment.In post 1088, bugspray wrote:
caught up to here rn, taking notes in my personal pt so that i have actual damn readsIn post 725, Noraa wrote:OK IM OFFICIALLY CAUGHT UP
you said noora is your top scumread, could you try to elaborate on this? I understand your initial reason for voting on her but a lot has happened since so I am not entirely sure what your current read is- duppin
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sure I can follow up on my previous reads:In post 1402, Noraa wrote: duppin can u try to solve anyone outside of the {saudade} pool?
At the moment I am fairly confident bugspray (although they have dropped a bit), Jester, Norwee are town.
I believe shelly is town as well actually. I have not played with her and most of the scumreads on her seems to be a bit biased on meta but the reads themselves seem to be a bit lackluster to me.
I think someone said it was suspicious of her to do pre flip reads but I disagree with this a lot actually - it is bad if she starts playing around pre flips, but expressing her thoughts on a potential flip is something I find to be a bit more towny albeit easy to fake as scum as well as it helps you set up your read progression in case you get a mislynch through. But the counter argument to that in this case is in my opinion that shelly has been all over the playerlist. I am pretty sure she has called out everyone for something at this point and has engaged with everyone. I have no idea if this is out of her scumrange or not but to me her play jsut comes across as coming from a town perspective.
I still find redados suspicious for the exact same reasons I listed earlier. He hasn't really managed to change my mind, my only concern is still that it almost feels hm I guess too easy? There's not really much defense or counter pressure, it does not mean he isn't scum but it just makes me a bit concerned
As for Saudade I just mentioned it before.
I don't really know about the rest. In fact I am trying to avoid reading you at the moment noraa because every time I try to read you I keep thinking that this could simply be explained by you being a new player. I am kind of leaning of some of the meta reads being thrown at you- duppin
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also and this is such a garbage read but i just cant help myself and no one should try to pursue it but part of me can't help but wonder if jackson and mini replaced out because one of them accidently learned the others alignment in which case it would make sense if they already replaced out, but i just think it would be even more likely if the alignment was scum. but yeah this is just a non sense theory for post game- duppin
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i missed this, could you explain why you think so?In post 1376, PlusJOYED wrote:i think saude is a solid townlean too- duppin
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also there is an attempt to solve. my initial read was that Mundivore was likely to be scum since I do not believe they could have a genuine townread on Saudade but then they explained it had more to do with the push itself, but that still makes the push so weird. I think Mundivores vote is a bit suspicious no matter what though but I could buy his explanation
now that I learned PlusJOYEd had a townread on Saudade as well I am slightly susp of that slot though- duppin
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the interaction between me and Saudade started in 631In post 1415, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
can you point us to specific posts? this isnt helpful because i cant track any of your progressionsIn post 1403, duppin wrote:
sure I can follow up on my previous reads:In post 1402, Noraa wrote: duppin can u try to solve anyone outside of the {saudade} pool?
At the moment I am fairly confident bugspray (although they have dropped a bit), Jester, Norwee are town.
I believe shelly is town as well actually. I have not played with her and most of the scumreads on her seems to be a bit biased on meta but the reads themselves seem to be a bit lackluster to me.
I think someone said it was suspicious of her to do pre flip reads but I disagree with this a lot actually - it is bad if she starts playing around pre flips, but expressing her thoughts on a potential flip is something I find to be a bit more towny albeit easy to fake as scum as well as it helps you set up your read progression in case you get a mislynch through. But the counter argument to that in this case is in my opinion that shelly has been all over the playerlist. I am pretty sure she has called out everyone for something at this point and has engaged with everyone. I have no idea if this is out of her scumrange or not but to me her play jsut comes across as coming from a town perspective.
I still find redados suspicious for the exact same reasons I listed earlier. He hasn't really managed to change my mind, my only concern is still that it almost feels hm I guess too easy? There's not really much defense or counter pressure, it does not mean he isn't scum but it just makes me a bit concerned
As for Saudade I just mentioned it before.
I don't really know about the rest. In fact I am trying to avoid reading you at the moment noraa because every time I try to read you I keep thinking that this could simply be explained by you being a new player. I am kind of leaning of some of the meta reads being thrown at you- duppin
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no taylor called shelly out for doing it. i can see that you did it as well thoughIn post 1406, Noraa wrote:Eh the uh preflip shit was directed at me cuz I did a huge paragraph on what would happen if redados flipped red.
I think u should still try to solve me regardless of what's going on with the newbie thing. Even a wrong SR is better than nothing considering we are on page 57 and close to the end of day 1 ... maybe?
I actually just tried to read the games but don't feel I got that much from it. The only thing I will say is that I do think you came across as more scummy in those games but there is a possibility that my read is influenced by the fact that I already knew your alignment before reading them.
I think it's fine for me to lean on the meta reads for day 1 as long as I trust the people bringing them up- duppin
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I have no problem elaborating on my reads, but it's not really about specific posts.In post 1418, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
can you walk us through posts that made you scum/townread people other than saudade and explain what about the post made you scum/townread the person?In post 1417, duppin wrote:
the interaction between me and Saudade started in 631In post 1415, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
can you point us to specific posts? this isnt helpful because i cant track any of your progressionsIn post 1403, duppin wrote:
sure I can follow up on my previous reads:In post 1402, Noraa wrote: duppin can u try to solve anyone outside of the {saudade} pool?
At the moment I am fairly confident bugspray (although they have dropped a bit), Jester, Norwee are town.
I believe shelly is town as well actually. I have not played with her and most of the scumreads on her seems to be a bit biased on meta but the reads themselves seem to be a bit lackluster to me.
I think someone said it was suspicious of her to do pre flip reads but I disagree with this a lot actually - it is bad if she starts playing around pre flips, but expressing her thoughts on a potential flip is something I find to be a bit more towny albeit easy to fake as scum as well as it helps you set up your read progression in case you get a mislynch through. But the counter argument to that in this case is in my opinion that shelly has been all over the playerlist. I am pretty sure she has called out everyone for something at this point and has engaged with everyone. I have no idea if this is out of her scumrange or not but to me her play jsut comes across as coming from a town perspective.
I still find redados suspicious for the exact same reasons I listed earlier. He hasn't really managed to change my mind, my only concern is still that it almost feels hm I guess too easy? There's not really much defense or counter pressure, it does not mean he isn't scum but it just makes me a bit concerned
As for Saudade I just mentioned it before.
I don't really know about the rest. In fact I am trying to avoid reading you at the moment noraa because every time I try to read you I keep thinking that this could simply be explained by you being a new player. I am kind of leaning of some of the meta reads being thrown at you
However I have asked you to share your Saudade read several times now so I'd like you to do that as well- duppin
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as for my top town reads:
bugspray: I explained it in 621 as well(it's related to everything I talked about before that as well though regarding policy lynching etc). as I have said he is definitely dropped off a bit but I still believe he is town.
Jester: I made my stance very clear early on regarding selfvotes and policy lynching. There wasn't really any support for it, so I decided to ISO him and I thought he was pretty town. Main reason for this was him being a leading voice by trying to game solve but also just me finding his thoughts to be very logical and him catching on to some of the same things I did (like the shelly thing I asked her to follow up on; Jester initially questioned this and when shelly did not respond to him he brought it up again even though it seemed like she might have tried to change the subject. I really thought that was a town thing to do especially since I was bothered by the same thing)
Norwee: Early on I went a bit back and forth on him but I thought his interactions with Saudade was pretty town and I quite liked his response to Saudade calling him out. I think overall his play has been rather pro town - I don't really agree with all of his reads but to this is a bit like with Jester in the sense that we seem to notice the same things, best example would be both of us finding it very questionable how people could have a townread on Saudade.- duppin
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i see, well i would really appreciate if you could elaborate on this. i think players have called him town due to meta whereas 2-3 scum so im starting to question the meta readsIn post 1425, PlusJOYED wrote: saudade is because of meta tho - duppin
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