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hi everyone

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awww jeez the replacement post said there was 37 pages i count 55
at work now ill read through it tho soon

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i kinda had to join with this playerlist tho

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Noraa is generally more stiff as scum because she's new, she's more loose here and she's probably Town.

i qlso get that impression

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JV sheeping is -3 townpoints

Yeah fuck off

agreed that annoys the fuck out of me
i like this jackson guy he's probs town
im also gonna challenge odd day jesters first 10 pages of wifom and say he's probably scum so far. I get wanting to do a gambit like that to look for an early elim hungry fellow but in reality he's being way too overt so I don't think that's his real goal here, he just wants to look like a crazy towny

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So far you're all doing great

we are not.

please tell me i havent played mafia wrong for my whole MS tenure

you havent played mafia wrong for your whole MS tenure *crosses fingers*

disagree that doggo game was questionable af

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Yeah fuck off you meant that. Lmfao
VOTE: shellyc

leaning town shelly so far imo

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i think saude is a solid townlean too

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Yeah fuck off you meant that. Lmfao
VOTE: shellyc

leaning town shelly so far imo

You think she really did mean that? (Talking about the topic of the post you replied to)

yeah shelly sucks at town sorry not sorry
im not that great either

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Town:
JV

Null:
Jester

Scum due to playstyle:
ShellyC
Noraa

Scum:
Saudade (but I have been told this is his town meta)

this feels weirdly fabricated to me

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I'm clownreading shelly. This super aggressive behavior seems detrimental to her no matter her alignment.

And I think you all know what I think about clowns.

VOTE: shellyc

man i wish jackson was here he seems cool
this is a mundipost, i think they qre just natrually elimhungry
right now im looking for who derails the shelly wagon

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Actully, i think that Jackson's world view just makes more sense to me as town then mafia.

Since everybody is digging into Shelly's meta i feel obligated to read some of her past games, but i'll have to do it tomarrow.

VOTE: Shelly

gut sus read here on the wagon

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Hmmmmmmm i dont like grendel

agree

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gut read Norwegian town ez
i think scum would wanna take advantage of the noisy townies and lay low day 1

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page 42, ironic that shelly attacks me before i even arrive
at least most of this topic is fluff

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I’mhappy with UNOwen’s response, I feel like we can have a good discussion.

Nora, I don’t feel like your last few posts have been helpful.

the response where they called you insincere lol?

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all caught up
first impressions from quick reading and no iso diving (unordered)

townish: shelly, jackson, suade, noraa, odd day (i take it back vca leads to him being townier), NE, mundi (meta), duppin, bug, un

reddish: reddados, grendel (taylor was better), mini,

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VOTE: reddados

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I'm fine with Redados's answer regarding why he's less emotive this game btw. It's what I figured and at times I get this "this is really irritating but I'm going to stay cool" vibe from him when replying to scumreads line Noraa's and I find that kind of tone really town-indicative.

Still need to catchup on page 49 to 54(?). I'll probably skim some stuff but will still be on the lookout for anything particularly towny or scummy.

I wasn't the one accusing back on like page 10 about straight up playstyle. I got a bit heated bc all his dang accusations r like "Noraas sheepy, fluffy, unhelpful, spammy, immature, etc" Literally I get tunneled by him for the stupidest reasons and I feel like tho I tunneled back harder, he happened to be the one randomly SRing based off of nothing very early in the dang game.

all caught up
first impressions from quick reading and no iso diving (unordered)

townish: shelly, jackson, suade, noraa, odd day (i take it back vca leads to him being townier), NE, mundi (meta), duppin, bug, un

reddish: reddados, grendel (taylor was better), mini,

How is Taylor better? I think the opposite ngl.

oh as for my own read on Saudade I said early on why I thought he was slightly suspicious earlier, generally it comes to me getting the impression that he was just trying to be heard and make sure he had a presence without actually attempting to game solve. My initial plan was to just give him some time and wait for him to do something. he and a couple of other players talked about him having good reads and I have to admit I thought it was a bit odd how he kept talking about his own good reads while also saying he had no real reads yet since it is early on in the game. Don't get me wrong it obviously makes sense for him to not have good reads yet and it is definitely not fair for me to call him out for that, but i think you will agree that it is harder to fake good reads as scum which was why I wanted to give him some more time to see if he would come with these so called "god reads", but then a little later norwee decided to vote on him which I did not expect, but I decided to join the wagon since I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen. Unfortunately he had to deal with some real life stuff which made the push rather lackluster in my opinion

duppin can u try to solve anyone outside of the {saudade} pool?

grendel showed up and hopped on a wagon then never came back. Taylor seems townier I guess
and no i don't care if calling my predecessor town is wack its the truth

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JV sheeping is -3 townpoints

Yeah fuck off

agreed that annoys the fuck out of me
i like this jackson guy he's probs town
im also gonna challenge odd day jesters first 10 pages of wifom and say he's probably scum so far. I get wanting to do a gambit like that to look for an early elim hungry fellow but in reality he's being way too overt so I don't think that's his real goal here, he just wants to look like a crazy towny

Townreading ur own slot like its not urs is a really bad look.

Town:
JV

Null:
Jester

Scum due to playstyle:
ShellyC
Noraa

Scum:
Saudade (but I have been told this is his town meta)

this feels weirdly fabricated to me

oooo why?

my gut says so

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VOTE: reddados

what do you make of redados' recent posts?

they seem scummy

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this is mainly gut i read pretty fast. I'll do iso dives and explanation later.
saudade is because of meta tho

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i think saude is a solid townlean too

elaborate

welcome!

meta
cmon u know

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yeah shelly sucks at town sorry not sorry
im not that great either

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pls don’t fracture my ego thanks
to be fair im terrible at obvtowning and bad at logical consistency

i've noticed a trend where you tend to get wagoned early as town usually

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they seem scummy

joyed you are an enigma can you actually explain things for one time

no

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oh as for my own read on Saudade I said early on why I thought he was slightly suspicious earlier, generally it comes to me getting the impression that he was just trying to be heard and make sure he had a presence without actually attempting to game solve. My initial plan was to just give him some time and wait for him to do something. he and a couple of other players talked about him having good reads and I have to admit I thought it was a bit odd how he kept talking about his own good reads while also saying he had no real reads yet since it is early on in the game. Don't get me wrong it obviously makes sense for him to not have good reads yet and it is definitely not fair for me to call him out for that, but i think you will agree that it is harder to fake good reads as scum which was why I wanted to give him some more time to see if he would come with these so called "god reads", but then a little later norwee decided to vote on him which I did not expect, but I decided to join the wagon since I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen. Unfortunately he had to deal with some real life stuff which made the push rather lackluster in my opinion

Why is this post so weird? It sounds defensive and unnatural explaining his own logic/thought process at the time. Maybe it's just the wording that's pinging me.

minor scumping here too yeah, a lil too defensive
also a wagon on a vla target is kinda pointless

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reddados is weird cause he made super questionable decisions in doggos too as town

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Plus, what VCA made you think I was town?

From what I saw you didn't vote a ton and were pretty consistent. I think if you were LAMIST TSTBS you'd be swapping wagons a lot cause you wanna be seen as "scum" but you've mainly stayed still

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I still remember my case on Jackson and I stand by it

I want to interact with joyed but joyed’s play is super LHF and weird which may colour my read. they were lynchbait in both my scumgames with them

your case on jackson seemed to be omgus from what I remember. why do you think my slot is scum?

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I still remember my case on Jackson and I stand by it

I want to interact with joyed but joyed’s play is super LHF and weird which may colour my read. they were lynchbait in both my scumgames with them

iS tHiS tMi sHeLlY?

No i mean it's an unpopular opinion to wagon someone that's inactive/VLA.

Yeah no we are NOT limming Saudade today. I do not stan.

My lim order goes like this now
Taylor
Jackson
Saudade
Duppin
Redados=Noraa

I don’t really know what to make of duppin’s TR on me which is pretty controversial
idrt duppinVtaylor is town vs town and I think it’s likely TvS aorn

p-edit: give me some time to Quote Things and make a big ugly quote wall

How'd scum!Noraa get a free town pass so fast? Shelly my SR on u has been wavering since I didn't see u tunnel or flip flop as much as you normally do in a scumgame. but this specifically is actually starting to make me raise some eyebrows.

it's also why my townread on shelly is not as strong as the others because i dont really follow most of her logic, but her tone and aggressivenes to me just resemble more of a townplay. to me it does not come across as her having an agenda. You seem to suggest it is part of her scum meta, but could you explain what you think is different compared to her townmeta then?

.......thats literally EXACTLY how I would describe shelly as scum.... As town she's a bit less aggressive...

not necessarily more agressive noraa, there was a game where scum!shelly hopped around on votes a lot and was agreeable too. I'd be very suprised if shelly played like they did in doggos again as scum

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funny thing is I have a gut feel on unOwen being scum but their posts seem towny

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okey. i haven't done a full analysis on taylor but grendel was sus af

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UNVOTE: red
VOTE: taylor

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few things noraa:
i'm sus of both reddados and taylor like stated
i replaced in very recently and my reads are not very strong at all yet, so it would be helpful to get this elim soonish for concrete data to form my reads
I could iso dive to get better grasp on the game but we are low on time and I don't think it's worth the effort yet when we are so close to solid data
given all that, I think I'll trust town mostly on wagons as long as I'm able to see the wagon target as scum
NE also told me to swap and I think NE is town

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well put it this way noraa
if taylor flips green then we probably flip reddados. And if reddados flips red NE is highly likely to be scum because he's trying to derail a red wagon

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I've been on the fence about it. But i think i'm ready to admit that i don't really agree with the Redados wagon. I'm thinking he's town.

NB (can i call you that?), I checked your recent iso, but you were thinking about wagonomics. You posted this and never gave any reasoning at all. In fact I must say not a big fan of your recent posts. And I'm not a big fan of you trying to break off from reddados here after mulling it over on the fence. Scumpartners are usually very careful on their read of their partner and from my experience are almost always read last after putting them on the fence. I can def see a reddados/NB team atm

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Town:
JV

Null:
Jester

Scum due to playstyle:
ShellyC
Noraa

Scum:
Saudade (but I have been told this is his town meta)

this list is awful and you are noticeably null on grendel

I'm caught up. I stand by wanting to do stream of consciousness posting for this game, so my notes are below.

Spoiler:

Post #34 - this is a fluff post by Noraa. Says nothing and takes up space, she’s just talking to talk.

Still goofing around on page three/four:
JacksonVirgo, ShellyC, MiniMegabyte, bugspray, Odd Day Jester

Post #104 - saying your RVS votes don’t last makes them have less effect.

Page 5, post #104 - bugspray declares us OUT of RVS. I will be taking notes on who keeps doing stupid things after this. It’s 8:23 PM CST.
-post 116 - redados - is stupid, god damnit me

Post 143 - Noraa’s post is unhelpful and anti-town.

Post 147 - “I think you’re scum end of convo” - I HATE this

Impression at #154 - my posts suck and I totally understand why I’m at E-2.

Post 167 - Noraa - unhelpful. You’re going to jump down someone’s throat for calling someone limbait? Unhelpful.

Post 185 - Odd Day Jester - I’m town-reading Odd Day Jester

Post 187 - ShellyC - “I don't think anyone's entrance is particularly bad except noraa's” - you missed mine, buddy

Post 195 - Odd Day Jester - that was funny lol

Post 231 - ShellyC voting Duppin - hard disagree, Duppin was right, also it was page two totally logical

Post 275 - Morning Tweet - excellent bat fact B)

P12 - I am scumreading ShellyC

Post 296 - ShellyC - OddDayJester voting for her concerns her - get over yourself Shelly!

Post 351 - Odd Day Jester - Meta is Garbage is Garbage - EXCELLENT post by Odd Day Jester

I like my posts on pages sixteen and seventeen. That was an honest peek into my game. I think my initial opening was unhelpful, I left for a couple of hours and came back and gave my thoughts. I’m happy with them.

JacksonVirgo not liking readslists in post #416 is pro-town imo.

Saudade leading the copypasta charge on page 19 is anti-town, it clogged up the thread and made Noraa feel bad. On the other hand, it was funny. I can let some anti-town stuff slide if it’s funny.

Why does Grendel always misspell usernames lol

Post 543 - Jackson vs Shelly could most definitely be scum theater. I would NOT put it past Shelly to do scum theater

Post 595- asked me to elaborate on scumread on Saudade. It was just an initial read buddy, although I think I explain this later

Shelly plays in an anti-town way as both town and scum, I want to lim her.

Post 622 - you say that you’ll sort me later because you have experience with me - is this really helpful? I have only town games, and I played them all pretty differently so I’m very excited to see how you sort me.

Post 620 - ShellyC - this quotewall on me is trash mostly because I was doing a stream-of-consciousness thing. If you look at stuff individually it might look odd because they are my organic thoughts, but as a whole you’re getting raw unfiltered me.

Page 26 Duppin vs Saudade interaction - this wasn’t a nasty interaction or anything but I don’t see these two as scum together. I don’t see this conversation happening as scum vs scum.

Post 644 - UNOwen asks me if I’ve been scum before. I have not been scum before. Currently I am scumreading UNOwen, he seems to be doing very little except asking the odd poking question. Sketch. Scummy.

Post 646 - thanks Shelly

Post 660 - UNOwen, that’s totally fair, but I feel like I scumread Shelly every game. Now with hindsight I will go ahead and call her a scumread. I am scumreading Shelly.

Post 672 - ShellyC says “my play is incredibly protown” LMAO

Post 674 - I agree with ShellyC’s thoughts on UNOwen here.

Pages 28 & 29 - I don’t see Jackson and Shelly as scum together. I think Jackson’s reaction was genuine. Do I think the spammy banter on both their part was pro-town? Not necessarily.

Post 722 makes me want to keep Odd Day Jester around. Let’s not lim him. He’s funny.
I’m on page 30 and I can’t get a read on NorwegianboyEE.

Post 741 - just caught up to where I last was caught up. Looking forward to re-reading this.

Post 747 - alrighty duppin I am doing that now haha

Post 750 - “I’ve caught up, read everything once, plan to keep it that way” sad naive redados.

Post 757 - I was crabby and tired and should have just shut up. I was really annoyed by Duppin’s (pro-town push). I was being crabby.

Post 760 - LMAO at Odd Day Jester calling me Charizard

Post 763 - Fair point, Norwee
Post 764 - way to sheep norwee, noraa!!!

Gah I was really annoyed by post 766

Page 32 - I am frustrated that Noraa is refusing to listen to what I said/am saying. That is anti-town/immature of her.

Post 799 - “we have a scum!Redados” - not helpful. In general I would describe Noraa’s posts up to this point as “not helpful”. X10. Is she even hunting at this point?

Post 807 is funny, props, Norwee

Post 809 - UNOwen asks if I think Noraa is scum. Yes, I think that Noraa is scum. Pedit: looks like I answered this in 812

Post 813 - Noraa flails. Pedit: Noraa keeps flailing in posts 814 and 815. Noraa, why are you so offended at the thought of being scumread?

Page 33 - ShellyC is actually playing in a pro-town way on this page. Also btw UNOwen still doing the lurky pokey thing, that’s scummy imo.

I agree with what I said in post 828. And post 831.

Noraa calling my post a “shit reason” in post 832 rubs me the wrong way and I’m feeling bery proud of myself for being so respectful in post 833. Good job, redados from four days ago. You did good.

Re ShellyC’s post 839 - well we’re not both scum, I can tell you that

Re Taylor Swift post 855 - you don’t have vasy experience playing with Sausage, do you? You have an end-of-august start date

Re: Taylor Swift post 861 - nah, after I calmed down I still scumread Noraa, so I didn’t unvote.

Post 864 by Jester is both funny yet incredibly insightful. I think Shelly is just straight up scum.

Re: post 865 by Shelly; *I* certainly feel like it’s TvS.

Re: post 869 by Odd Day Jester asking if I scumread anyone - at this moment I scumread UNOwen, ShellyC, and Noraa.

Re: Post 873 by duppin, the answer is because I was crabby. Sorry

I’m on page 36 and I have the slightest scumread on Norwee. Is he hunting at all?? Also Sausage has posted like nothing at this point. Geez.

I agree with post 885 by Mundivore.

Post 887 - UNOwen asks me a question and I don’t feel like answering it. Seems like a lot of work. I’m scumreading Noraa. End of story. Also I’m still scumreading UNOwen at this point.

I feel like Mundivore is town. I like their clownposting. But also wait it’s clown posting and it’s anti town. I am still town leaning on them though.

Re: post 902 by Taylor Swift; it’s not nonsense shitposting, it’s actually surprisingly insightful and helpful.

Re: post 908 by Noraa - you are aggressive, Noraa.

Re: post 909 - another great bat fact!

Re: post 918 - Noraa, stop referring to ongoing games.

Re: post 919 - this was my first thought as well, Jester.

Page 38 - where tf is Saudade

My current plan is to stream of consciousness and trudge things along, vote out scum, scum won’t see me as a threat, and then I’ll go super try-hard once we get to LIMLO and then scum will regret leaving me alive. Stupid scum.

Re: ShellyC’s post 931 explaining Grendel as scum - you’re forgetting that was still practically RVS so it’s NAI. stupid long RVS.

Re: Noraa’s post 938: you’ll never be a clown like them!!!

Page 38 - I’m scumreading ShellyC.

Re: Noraa’s post 946 where she says fluffing is better than lurking - is it??? Fluffing spams up the thread and makes it harder to me to catch up. Pedit: 948 ShellyC said my thoughts EXACTLY. Got damn.

Re: Jester’s post 949: hahahahhaha

Re: Post 955 - LET HER CATCH UP SHE SAYS SHE’S ONLY READ EIGHT PAGES

Re: Noraa’s post 966 - wtf is this wall of text

Re: ShellyC’s post 975 - stop talking about breaking site rules

Post 979 by Jester is a good post.

Re: Noraa’s post 981 - I don’t think your townread on Jackson is substantive.

Re: TaylorSwift’s post 985: +1

Re: TSwift’s post 989 - HE’S HUNTING why would that give you scumpings???

Re: Mundivore’s post 1018 - I’m flipping. All of a sudden I’m sus on Mundivore. Are they even hunting??? (this is a theme in my thoughts, I’m noticing)

Re: duppin’s post 1020: +1

Re: duppin’s post 1022: +1

After reading UNOwen’s post 1025, I’m still scumreading him.

After reading Mundivore’s post 1032, I am scumreading them.

Current scumreads: UNOwen, Mundivore, ShellyC, Noraa.

Great informational post by Mundivore in post 1043. I don’t think it’s AI. If it’s town, it’s helpful. If it’s scum, its purpose is to make Mundivore look like they’re being helpful when they didn’t realy take a stand on anything. Digging into my SR here.

Re: Noraa’s post 1047: why are you town reading UNOwen????? That’s super duper sus!!!!!!

Re: duppin’s post 1049 - because he knows I would flip scum and it would make him look bad.

Re: Taylor Swift’s post 1059: why are YOU townreading UNOwen???

Re: UNOwen’s post 1066: this is an awful reason bud

Re: Noraa’s post 1067: use the enter key

Re: post 1077 - Taylor Swift - this is an ANTI town post. Don’t say this shit. Don’t tell the mafia this shit. Gdi.

Re: post 1093 - noraa - don’t flip me bud. Stop it.

TLDR - scumreads: UNOwen, Mundivore, ShellyC, Noraa.

VOTE: UNOwen

I would like to hear thoughts from the entire playerlist on their thoughts regarding UNOwen, specifically from Noraa and Taylor Swift.

I don't see why scum!redados would wanna say shelly and I aren't scum but that might be something that ur saying to try to make me think its not a shelly/redados solve

stop doing preflip associatives

+1

all in all you give a bit of mixed signals on taylor until they give a dull attack on your tunnel, noraa. I actually TR noraa and shelly pretty solidly atm, I don't think scum!noraa would do this kind of push and shelly is being town!shelly imo for earlier reasons
I think ur scum here. I think flipping you will basically reveal NB's alignment to me as well.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: reddados

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i think the scumteam is somewhere in reddados, NB, taylor, mini or possibly duppin or even UN.
I TR suade, shelly, noraa, mundi, and clown
my null slots are basically duppin, un, mini and bugspray

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PlusJoyed setting up this dichotomy about Redados flip being vital to solve me and other slots is genuinely awful and scummy as heck.

trying to derail a wagon that probably has scum in it is a pretty big scumtell bro

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starting a new wagon like noraa said and going being super hungry for an elim is also sus
i might even SR NB more than reddaddos hmmm

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PlusJoyed setting up this dichotomy about Redados flip being vital to solve me and other slots is genuinely awful and scummy as heck.

trying to derail a wagon that probably has scum in it is a pretty big scumtell bro

Ok ok I think Redados is scum however I think Norwee and Jester's reasoning for why he is town is understandable as well. I think this Redados wagon isn't a great way to find scum bc its a huge mess atm anyways so scums can really really easily mix in here. I still want this wagon to go thru but I must admit its kinda a hot mess rn

show me the post where NB explains how reddados is town. I didn't see it in his iso

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this is probably omgussy but i don't care, there's actually like no way i can see NB being town so I'm gonna shoot my shot for now
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VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

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@Plus im not going ISO diving rn. Im busy. find it urself. I assure u its there

@Taylor plenty of people have had weaker reads. If ur going based off of that, I dont get why ur not on the redados wagon

noraa i just looked through his iso its not there

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notice how NB changed the subject too when I bought it up

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ITS NOT DUCKING THERE NORAA

also NB i explained why I suspected reddados already, you should focus less on keeping your team alive and more on not being obvscum

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this is probably omgussy but i don't care, there's actually like no way i can see NB being town so I'm gonna shoot my shot for now
UNVOTE:
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Isn't your suspicion of Norway primarily based on him doing exactly this?

no i never said I needed an elim right now unlike NB. We have time to spare and it's way better to hit obvscum imo

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also Un is probably town

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The way un scumhunts and asks questions while also being lenient screams town to me. I can make a walk why at some point later

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what is lhf?

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you said you had explained why you townread reddados NB. One of those posts you quoted is shelly and the other post is just you saying you TR red.

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no i never said I needed an elim right now unlike NB. We have time to spare and it's way better to hit obvscum imo

The blood lust

is

unreasonable considering we are waiting on two replacements (one of them being among the higher interest slots). I can't say I don't understand the idea of wanting to see a flip to get on more solid ground though.

exactly, and we have 3 days left. I thought it was implied but I'll swap to redd or anyone else on my potential scumlist if we need an elim near deadline.

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I want a flip too but I want a red flip more

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Norwee is likely town aorn and if u want to SR than siot, ur gonna need a shit ton of evidence cuz they are universally TRed rn. Norwee is not on the block and I think its literally impossible and we'd all have to be insane to lim a slot that seems that town day 1. ISO Norwee, he's pretty townie rn.

I just posted a fair deal of evidence why he's scum.

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you posted zero evidence. half was piggybacked off of something I replied to one of his posts and I dont even think he's scum. I was just pointing something out and trying to get Norwee on the redados wagon

my case on NB is pretty compelling methinks
but if you wanna wall me out cause your fighting reddados whatever

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Redados has no case on me. He's literally just OMGUSing me to hell and back. I admire scum!Redados' courage to not backpedal but all his arguments are just "Noraa is scum. Why? Just because she is"

no he has a case for sure I just disagree with it

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Redados has no case on me. He's literally just OMGUSing me to hell and back. I admire scum!Redados' courage to not backpedal but all his arguments are just "Noraa is scum. Why? Just because she is"

Ok i will cave in on the basis that it's the leading wagon and i think you're more townie than him right now, so screw it.
VOTE: Redados
Can't wait for the inevitable "omg he's bussing his scum teammate!" comment from PlusJoyed.

hmmm...
maybe but im less confident now

voting redados is odd but it does fit in with your bloodthirst. I don't think you'd bus here.

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Redados has no case on me. He's literally just OMGUSing me to hell and back. I admire scum!Redados' courage to not backpedal but all his arguments are just "Noraa is scum. Why? Just because she is"

no he has a case for sure I just disagree with it

where the fuck is that case? I sure dont see anything

im busy you dig through his iso i assure you its there

lmao

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well im down to vote reddados again I still prefer a NB elim though
maybe NB busses here maybe not.

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someone pls towncase duppin

nah i don't remember his stuff at all really

[PlusJOYED]

redados is only at 3 votes if i counted right: you, NB, and UN

[PlusJOYED]

My vote was parked there because I expected him to show up after the V/LA ended and still kind of hope for him to show up. Just because he has been V/LA does not mean I do not want to pressure his slot.

In hindsight I definitely agree I could have pursued different angles, but my other scumread was already the leading wagon at that point so.
As for anyone else doing something scummy - sure they have, which is why I have questioned them on it. I have also gained more townreads as the game has progressed which I am perfectly content with for a day 1 especially one this spammy

it's a waste to leave it there while he's vla imo

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Yeah honestly, i've never lost faith in the Saudade wagon.
But he got into a VLA so now nobody will eliminate him. That's just bad luck for town really. Gives scum an excuse.

good god you're obvscumming so hard

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As I said when I gave my reads before he hasn't really done much to change my mind. No matter what his alignment is I believe he is too caught up on Noora's push on him.
What I will say though is that I am actually a bit surprised with his latest posts as I did not expect him to defend me. If he is scum it seems more logical for him to at least try to discredit me a little bit since I called him scummy.

My current limpool is {noraa, unowen, mundivore, shelly} although I'll probably have to widen that to avoid a mislim of course.

Where is bugspray?

Where is mundivore?? Mundivore has done very little hunting today and has stayed mostly under the radar. VOTE: Mundivore

wtf? Why are u voting a really inactive slot now?
VOTE: Redados
ur so scummy its unbelievable

im sensing a pattern here

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yeah i agree that duppin could be scum but I don't think he is day 1 elim. In fact I TR him slightly

[PlusJOYED]

good god you're obvscumming so hard

elaborate
the post was not especially AI

i'll do a full casing of norway soonish

[PlusJOYED]

finally ive finished the 12 pages

i think norwayVplus is kinda TvS-ish, with the lack of coherent logic
I think taylor is my top SR
plusjoy is still a scummy slot
scumpings on noraa has increased but might just be LHF
if taylor is red duppin is probgreen
norwee has now become nullish
redados is townleaning with the pushes and mentality i see a townie mindset tbh
mundivore iso isnt exactly great but i want to see more content
jester still town
hot take i kinda SR bugs for not giving us his notes but stating he has notes in notes pt. moving out of rvs is nai and idk why hes getting so much cred for it.

i'll look at jackson later but I TR him and I thought you vs Jackson was TvT. I think you thinking Jackson is scum is mainly because you were scrappin

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yes but just complaining about the state and not attempting to move it in a direction is suspicious to me. he seems to be complaining about the game state and being very careful with his reads (he essentially ended up only giving town reads) which to me indicate is trying to avoid confrontation while still appearing active. I am perfectly aware it might be too early to tell but that is the impression I am left with

redados SR'd saude, didnt he?

but you've made your point, I'll sort redados later as I have experience with them, for now I want to sort you + Grendel first

But he did absolutely nothing with it. He did not try to engage anyone or push which lead to me thinking he is trying to avoid confrontation.

and this is kinda fair, but redados has since engaged with people and done some good stuff. you havent. and you havent really pushed anyone except for the eight posts you pointed out to me, of which half were not doing anything except repeating/not really pressuring but just pointing stuff out with surface-level analysis. we are now 50 pages into the game and you've expressed one scumread based on meta that other people presented, and one scum read based on really weak arguments that you havent done much to follow up on and havent done much with. I cant follow your progessions at all, and i find it hard to believe that your only scumreads are an inactive player based on a sheeped meta-read and a weak "you havent done enough solving" argument that id say isnt even true anymore.

What do you mean? Which one of my scumreads do you believe is based on base that other people have presented? Neither the redados nor the Saudade read is based on their meta in fact I mentioned I am very confused about the meta reads on Saudade because some people claim it is his town meta whereas others claim it is a scumtell for him.

As for Redados could you elaborate on your read on him? you claim he has since done some good stuff but what exactly are you referring to?

Yes I have only given 2 more solid scumreads, do you believe that is a scumtell? If so then I expect you to be more consistent with it. I have also found some townreads I feel rather strong about it for whatever that is worth and I am perfectly fine with that on day 1.

Tayl0r by the way are you an alt or a new player?

im not an alt.

i see. the reason i ask is because i initially assumed you were an alt when you replaced in due to the name but the way you have approached some of his has just felt a bit off to me. Your push on me feels like you're being overeager which is something I'd consider more likely to be a towntell for a new player simply because to me it kind of comes across as you legitimately believing you caught on to something and is frustrated when you do not get the support you feel you should get. However I would like to read some of your scum games actually, mind linking me to your latest?

Also what I will say if you're town then you really need to take a step back and properly evaluate me You are clearly tunneling and it seems pretty obvious at this point that you had not ISO'ed me when you initially tried to push on me. You also seem busier trying to look for support rather than trying to engage with me and all of this just seems to suggest you have already made up your mind.
If you're scum then your push is really bad as well for what it is worth since getting me mislynched would most likely result in a trade with the way you approached it and I'd be fine with that trade.

yes but just complaining about the state and not attempting to move it in a direction is suspicious to me. he seems to be complaining about the game state and being very careful with his reads (he essentially ended up only giving town reads) which to me indicate is trying to avoid confrontation while still appearing active. I am perfectly aware it might be too early to tell but that is the impression I am left with

redados SR'd saude, didnt he?

but you've made your point, I'll sort redados later as I have experience with them, for now I want to sort you + Grendel first

But he did absolutely nothing with it. He did not try to engage anyone or push which lead to me thinking he is trying to avoid confrontation.

and this is kinda fair, but redados has since engaged with people and done some good stuff. you havent. and you havent really pushed anyone except for the eight posts you pointed out to me, of which half were not doing anything except repeating/not really pressuring but just pointing stuff out with surface-level analysis. we are now 50 pages into the game and you've expressed one scumread based on meta that other people presented, and one scum read based on really weak arguments that you havent done much to follow up on and havent done much with. I cant follow your progessions at all, and i find it hard to believe that your only scumreads are an inactive player based on a sheeped meta-read and a weak "you havent done enough solving" argument that id say isnt even true anymore.

also it doesnt seem like your reads have developed in the past 30 pages, which makes it increasingly likely that you just picked a couple people to scumread and stuck with it, which is what scum sometimes do

Sure and sometimes scum don't do it, are you really trying to push a scum might sometimes do X narrative?
In either case my reads have developed, like bugspray dropped a bit and I got townlean on shelly etc, although yeah the read on Saudade didn't change for obvious reasons. Well actually the one thing that I was a bit skeptical about was the random townreads on him but I need more info to conclude anything from them. I'd say if Mundivore is scum then I do not believe Saudade is with them simply because the townread+vote thing Mundivore did to Saudade is just so weird.
PlusJOYED however still hasn't explained his apparent meta read on Saudade yet even though he has been asked to. As I have mentioned before I have a hard time believing a town would have a townread on Saudade at this point, I'd expect most to not really have a read on him at all.

Also who cares if reads don't develop in the past X amount of pages if people do a lot of non alignment indicative stuff? I don't how to read all the spammy OMGUS meta reads people are throwing at each other.
Anyway as I said reads have developed. First of all regarding you I initially thought you were an alt when you replaced in which was why I initially assumed your push was you trying to test me or something but the way your push evolved and the changes you made me question that, so now that I know that you are not an alt your push on me strikes me a little more as an overeager new player which I can't help but feel is a slight town tell, however I would really like to read your latest scumgame first + I think it is a bad push for you to do as scum simply because the way you did it means you would most likely end up getting traded if you managed to mislynch me.
Redados recent defense of me threw me off a bit as I think that would be a mistake to do if he was scum given my read on him and the pressure on him

Anyway:

@PlusJOYED

could you please elaborate on your meta read on Saudade already?

@shelly

could you elaborate a bit on why you think there has to be a scum between me and Tayl0r?

i really can't elaborate (site rules) ur gonna have to trust me on this

one thing I've heard is that scum tend to focus on making more wallposts and post infrequently based on statistics, that's giving me minor scumpings but it is an unreliable and lazy tell.

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@shelly could you elaborate a bit on why you think there has to be a scum between me and Tayl0r?

I scumread Taylor and I townread you.

If Taylor flips green, I am inclined to trust their read, since this whole thing feels off to me somehow. idrt you’re TvT’ing, the way Taylor hard tunnels you and ignores everything else is very scum indicative and I don’t think it’s scum theatre due to the genuineness of the whole argumentation

okay hm I actually dislike this post as it comes across as you trying to set up chainlynches

what do you think about my earlier read/association with Norway then?

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Don't waste your breath. I'm town.

if ur town and no one else is really scumreading you, why are you afraid?
I do wanna say that me going after Norway is not something I'd do as scum but I doubt that helps. I'm much more of a log/wagonboy as scum.

[PlusJOYED]

hey sorry, I've been feeling off for a while, haven't checked the thread in a couple of days. Catching up now.

You poor soul.

pocketchamp moment

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actually concluding that a town flip from tayl0r would make me scum is pretty bad yes especially if you have a townread on me

Like. cause I don’t think its TvT. and if Taylor flips green id have to reconsider you

I won’t do an immediate 180, just will RECONSIDER. is that clear

hmm, yeah I do agree it's probably TvS.

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I don't particularly wanna go after taylor or duppin today tho

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joyed you’re not the centre of the universe. I read the norway/joyed intersection as TvS or SvS-ish probably due to the absence of actual SOLVING and instead you two just go “NO U!” at each other

Norway is probably town and jackjoyed is probably scum there

how very shellyesque to go for LHF

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Norway I'm trying to account for my possible confbias/emotion against you but you aren't helping your case

[PlusJOYED]

im all in for it
been scumrading the slot to hell and back

PLUS YOU’RE JACKSON, im not a fan of the lamist

Tayl0r launch, people?

If it get's us out of this dreadful day then i'm all in.

Vote her then, we can ring her up to L-1 and get a claim today if we're efficient about it.

if i swap to taylor, can you try to sort of gladiate me and Norway day 2 clown?

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im all in for it
been scumrading the slot to hell and back

PLUS YOU’RE JACKSON, im not a fan of the lamist

Tayl0r launch, people?

If it get's us out of this dreadful day then i'm all in.

Vote her then, we can ring her up to L-1 and get a claim today if we're efficient about it.

if i swap to taylor, can you try to sort of gladiate me and Norway day 2 clown?

I can promise to put in more effort in sorting and ISOing you two, sure.

aight. I still want Norway dead but I don't think it"ll happen today
UNVOTE: norway
VOTE: tayl0r

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I think it's most interesting if I only use the meta of people who I personally have played with. I know that it's suboptimal play, but reading extra games sounds rancid. Besides, doing it this way gives me an incentive to play more games and get to know people.

i do the same!

[PlusJOYED]

hectic i loved your recent micro

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At the moment I believe that bugspray, Jester, Norwee and UNOwen are all town. Actually I am kind of feeling the most confident about my UNOwen read at the moment simply because I feel his thoughtprocess is so damn town. If he is scum I think he is playing a really good game so far

why is norwee town?

he's not

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im caught up. you guys are hyper
UNVOTE:
VOTE: norwee
norwee is literally a scumbucket, he's been playing scummy all game.
Why the hell would you reveal that your informed of a maf doc if you're town, when Taylor didn't claim doc, she claimed rolestopper?
Could this be from town!norwee? Nah, that doesn't make sense. A pr has no reason to be so bloodthirsty, and less reason to worry about getting elimed day 1. Instead norwee lost their shit every time someone pushed them, makes no sense. Especially when pushing for an elim when taylor is at fucking e1.
Norwee is the scummiest player on this list hands down.
I should not have joined the taylor wagon, I'm sorry. I did it because no one was taking my norwee case seriously and hectic told me he'd go into our slots day 2, and taylor had some associations with norwee so I foolishly preassociated the 2 slots

I'm not moving from norwee unless they become mod confirmed town the rest of day 1.

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Why the hell would you reveal that your informed of a maf doc if you're town, when Taylor didn't claim doc, she claimed rolestopper?

Do you even know what a rolestopper is.

Could this be from town!norwee? Nah, that doesn't make sense. A pr has no reason to be so bloodthirsty, and less reason to worry about getting elimed day 1.

Why you assuming i'm PR. All i said was informed.
informed is a pr
i know what rolestopper is, it's not a doc

and taylor had some associations with norwee so I foolishly preassociated the 2 slots

Like what?

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Why the hell would you reveal that your informed of a maf doc if you're town, when Taylor didn't claim doc, she claimed rolestopper?

Like how does this even make sense as an accusation.
It's not like i ended up justifying my vote on Taylor because of the information i shared.

you were gunning for a kill that had nothing to do with your role

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Anyway take a look at the timestamps here.
Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:59 pm

im very close to really going off on norwee here.

im very frustrated with the rest of you too.

im the town rolestopper.

Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:01 pm

Oh that’s really interesting Taylor. Because i’m an informed role and i’ve been specifically told this setup has an mafia doctor.

2 minutes inbetween.

Why would i do some ridiculous fucking scum move where i analyze that claim in the span of 2 minutes and come up with "oh i'm informed of there being mafia doctor" as opposed to it actually being something i've been actively aware of?

you can make up shit on the fly easy. I'm a gated even night town neapolitian. It's not hard. You were just so desperate for a kill that you were willing to say anything to get taylor dead.
Saying your informed of a mafia roleblocker is too sus if/when taylor flips green.

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at work i'll do it later

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norwee

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im not trolling dude im 95% sure ur scum. You know you can't win so ur choosing to ignore me

[PlusJOYED]

Taylor's off the block since we won't be limming her after that claim. We need to get a counter wagon started asap. So role blocker is basically like ... jailkeeper is what the wiki basically says. It's pretty important and she's right that she'll prolly die tonight if that claim's real. Anyways I want a bugs or redados counter wagon please

its not jailer

it basically makes someone untargetable for the night
scum cannot kill them
investigative cannot target them

I'm a gated even night town neapolitian.

what the fuck?

why did you claim at not E-1?????????????

that wasn't real, i was doing it for effect to show how easy it would be for Norwee to fake informed of maf doc

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I just realized HOLY FUCK we're on page 92 on a day 1
can we get a hot second to appreciate how spammy everyone is?
shhh don't let me take the blame myself U-U

Gosh the so many pages honestly kinda got me into a more day 3 ish mindset ig? Normally most games I'm just day 1 mindset entire game but this game my mindset got developed faster cuz there was more content :3

most i've been in is a 150 page day 1

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I agree wholly with Dave's 2177, Tayl0r is probably town. Sorry £_£

Also, the emotion/frustration on display from her there might be out of her scum range, from what I've read about her scumgame.

PlusJOYED... at first, I was okay with the wagon, because I disagree with pretty much all of the reasons in 2181, and 2194 is even worse, because Norwee used his informedness to argue Tayl0r was town for it, not scum. The reasoning is so void I wonder if Plus would bother using it as scum, or if he's just really lost/lazy town.

@Plus:

Do you understand what I mean here?

Also, his whole reason to initially suspect Norwee in 1554 and 1572 was because he thought he was Redados's scum partner defending him, but then opts to push Norwee over Redados in 1581. THING IS, town can be emotional and irrational, and OMGUS is usually more of a towntell rather than a scumtell believe it or not, so I think him switching on a whim like this might be town-indicative.

I like the lack of desire for consistency within the same post in 1560. I also really like 1780 from Plus, if I was less accustomed to Norwee, that post would strike me as really scummy as well just in the way it's artificially worded, but I think I'm finally getting a handle on filtering out the Norweeness from the Norwee.

Norwee doesn't push through the launch on Plus despite being deathtunneled by him, and is on the same lines as me in 2196, makes me feel better about him too.

Don't waste your breath. I'm town.

if ur town and no one else is really scumreading you, why are you afraid?
I do wanna say that me going after Norway is not something I'd do as scum but I doubt that helps. I'm much more of a log/wagonboy as scum.

Do you have a game to back this up?

i don't have a game to back it up. From reading the iso on the informed claim lead up I think norwee was pushing taylor scum with informed claim but unvoted since he got that it wasn't gonna happen

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@hectic, I honestly think Norwee is scum even after letting the emotion fade; he's playing like exactly how I'd expect scum to play in this game. I will relent and say that I've never played with norwee before, it might just be that his normal town play fits perfectly with my view of scum. Does he act like this every game?

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hectic what is your read on plus.

lets launch in plusjoy tbh, I don’t really love the push on Norway + Jackson is scum

saude policy is fine for d1 but idrt limming that slot gives us any info especially in this spamfest

shelly i townlean you for now but I think you should know how I play, I'm prone to tunneling slots I think are scum. I really do think that your letting the fact that jackson went after you dictate your read on me

[PlusJOYED]

i'll make a wall explaining my every ping on norway later im at work atm

[PlusJOYED]

it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?

[PlusJOYED]

ok nvm fixed

[PlusJOYED]

20 pages omg

[PlusJOYED]

i think reddados can go either way tbh

[PlusJOYED]

okay not roleclaiming is antitown af, goodbye and sorry if ur town reddados.
UNVOTE: norwee
VOTE: reddados

norwee still needs to die

[PlusJOYED]

joyed was that a scumclaim

WHY DID YOU HAMMER BEFORE A ROLECLAIM?????????????

he was at e1 with intent and refused to claim

[PlusJOYED]

Forget about the mechanics, isn’t it obvious he’d target Noraa here?
All day he was talking about how Noraa is town, yet Noraa kept scumreading him.
Put yourself in his mind, who would he target of the playerlist? All i can think of is Noraa.
And the implications of that is huge.

i do agree with this

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yeah i thought norwee was scum but i'd be very suprised they didn't flip that on me if they were scum since they townbinned me too

(๑˃ᴗ˂)ﻭ
VOTE: noraa

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I think its absolutely possible shelly and noraa are scum buddies

here's a fake quote from the scum thread that I'm making up

hello i am shelly lmao hey noraa love u okies lets just fucking spam a lot and makes a bunch of posts and argue with each other so that nobody else can read the game

omg hello yes i am noraa your scum partner and that is a good diea lets just fucking make this goddamn game unplayable!

shellyc sounds like she is spitballing right now and waiting to see which ones stick (aka townies give some cred it) so that she can push them forther and then get the yummy win

i suspect scum has a rolecop or some other way to gain hard information about battle mage's role so that they can use the scum!medic that norwee claims to know about to give a false positive (assuming norwee isn't lying)
in this case the rolestopper on bm when bm targets scum while scum!medic targets bm would result in bm still dying targeting scum which is the only way I can make sense out of the current setup information

goon
scum rolecop
scum medic
town rolestop
town weak friendly neighbor
town informed of scum medic
vt x5

this does put a smile on my face

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noraa weak roles die when they visit mafia
funny how you're pulling the newb card here...

[PlusJOYED]

its a pretty common modifier
ironically i think weak roles are pretty strong

[PlusJOYED]

so assuming a noraa red flip
who could be their partner?

[PlusJOYED]

i was SRing the hell out of norwee but i don't see why he busses noraa here instead of going to me
i guess it is possible since bm was pretty clear cut
maybe UN/duppin

[PlusJOYED]

norwee how frequently are you mislimed at town

[PlusJOYED]

okay so unless something weird happens today we already know who we are limming but it'd still like to point out vigi would not be the only explanation for this, another possibility could be a busdriver or something similar.

isnt busdriver bastard

[PlusJOYED]

i was SRing the hell out of norwee but i don't see why he busses noraa here instead of going to me
i guess it is possible since bm was pretty clear cut
maybe UN/duppin

I think SRing me is the normal thing to do here plus u got ur priorities mixed up

i give hot takes a lot and gut reads with gambits yes
but when obvscum steps up, i quash obvscum

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okay so unless something weird happens today we already know who we are limming but it'd still like to point out vigi would not be the only explanation for this, another possibility could be a busdriver or something similar.

isnt busdriver bastard

i definitely would not consider it to be

it would be against site rules
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

[PlusJOYED]

bus driver or another redirect is explicitly bastard

[PlusJOYED]

*non-normal, not bastard i got the 2 mixed up

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in that case i cant see an explanation unless we have a vigi or sk around

sks have to have their own kill flavor separate from maf
@noraa if you aren't maf you need to claim rn

[PlusJOYED]

if a weak role crumbs a target when day is about to end but targets someone else its a throw

[PlusJOYED]

I'll claim at E-1

claim now
i dont wanna give you time to think of a fakeclaim and its obvious you'll self hammer at el

[PlusJOYED]

Why tf would I self hammer?

to end the day as scum cause you've been caught!

[PlusJOYED]

actually just needed to confirm but seems like i was correct: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Kill_flavor

oh i was wrong

[PlusJOYED]

noraa if ur town i need you to tell me what your rolepm says right now
it's actually antitown to not claim here since it gives you more time to fake a claim if ur scum

[PlusJOYED]

reason being is that i can think of exactly 3 possible scenarios (all very low chance of being true) if you are town why the night happened
but for that you need to claim right now

[PlusJOYED]

well i could think of a single fakeclaim from you that would have made me think twice but that ship has sailed

[PlusJOYED]

reason being is that I don't think scum!noraa would be aware of it if it wasn't your role
but by now your buddies could have fed it to you so its void

[PlusJOYED]

Pretty sure PGOs aren't normal anymore, Plus

i was thinking miller might kill a weak role
but i double checked and thats a non-normal variant
nvm noraa is the elim today

[PlusJOYED]

so yeah only 2 possibilities remain really
1. we have sk, and they killed bm to frame noraa. unlikely
2. we have an absentminded vig who shot bm and they haven't woken up or won't claim (unlikely)

[PlusJOYED]

Although if Noraa wants to claim miller mason right now i'm all for it.

That brings back good memories lol

context?

[PlusJOYED]

Although if Noraa wants to claim miller mason right now i'm all for it.

That brings back good memories lol

context?

Miller Mason

lol
now i wanna make a setup with a miller mason

[PlusJOYED]

nora is peer reviewing her wallpost with scumbuddies and gonna come back explaining how she's totally inno looking like this

[PlusJOYED]

oh i forgot to check if animated gifs were against the rules this game
you can delete that or hide it in a spoiler if they are @mod

[PlusJOYED]

If there is a vig, do you think their claim is worth it?

If the vig is so bad that they target one of BM/Taylor who both said they could confirm their role. I'd rather they just claim and die tbh.

agreed

[PlusJOYED]

why would UN vote bugspray when Nora's caught scum if he's not trying to derail a wagon
UnOwen/Noraa seems probable

[PlusJOYED]

oh shit nvm im dumb
i missed the post number and the quote and that they unvoted reddados not noraa
thats what i get for skimming

[PlusJOYED]

Lolol

UNVOTE: Redados
VOTE: bugspray

Why did you vote bugspray here, UNOwen?

i had saw this and thought unOwen just voted bugspray day 2

[PlusJOYED]

idk shelly
i wasn't expecting noraa to be scum and norwee to be likely town
its kind of thrown me for a loop

[PlusJOYED]

im not convinced
shooting the claimed rolestopper is just so awful as vig i think its impossible to be town
rolestopper is a role that resolves itself, i could get shooting n2 but never n1
and that would mean scum would have had to notice the crumb and decided not to go for taylor, the one person possible to stop their nk
furthermore, taylor could have also seen the crumb by the weak tfn, and would have made most sense to rolestop them or norwee who claimed informed

[PlusJOYED]

oops

[PlusJOYED]

thats hammer

[PlusJOYED]

right?

[PlusJOYED]

Now to determine if that implies town!Plus since Noraa has probably been discussing this plan in the scum PT, or scum!Plus who knows we'll reach that conclusion so is intentionally dumbslipping.

Plus, how did you even confuse BM for Tayl0r? Noraa brings up BM a lot in that post.

im having an off day i forgot to take my ritalin today i think
idk man

[PlusJOYED]

i think it was
either way when someone says "i think noraa is town but if i die tonight noraa is scum" is a 0 iq play

[PlusJOYED]

err shooting that person is

[PlusJOYED]

PlusJoyed was freaking high when they started to scumread me. It all makes sense now.

fuck off

[PlusJOYED]

i have a prescription

[PlusJOYED]

Chinese is decent but I'd put it more at mid tier personally.

Like it'd probably be Dr. Mario or maybe Samus on a good day on this tier list.

oh shit i wanna slippi with you now

[PlusJOYED]

oh shit i wanna slippi with you now

lol you'd wreck me, I'm a degenerate who's moved to Ultimate and left Melee behind for the streams and tournaments

bro saaaaame
i'd be down for ultimate online but i try to avoid tryharding on netplay since i get frustrated

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for cuisine im a big fan of indian food myself

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i miss smash locals, probably the biggest thing i miss doing since the pandemic
combined with the allegations it makes me sad

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just cause you claim locktown doesnt make it true

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F
I suspected he might be a pr after noraa flipped. Informed townies usually have another role attached

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yeah wtf that looks like a bus

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I don't allow "Bah" posts in my ruleset. -MT

It's okay, everyone. I managed to see this before it was edited by our bat overlord.

This is what it said:

"What the duck did you just ducking say about me, you little self-voter? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Forum Academy, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on skitter-Dannflor hydras, and I have over 300 confirmed mislaunches. I am trained in WIFOM and I’m the top OMGUSer in the entire mafiascum community. You are nothing to me but just another lolhammer. I will Preview-Edit you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this website mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, ducker. As we speak I am contacting my network of alt-accounts across my computer and your name is being voted for right now so you better prepare for the storm, duffer. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your account. You’re ducking dead, newbie. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can modkill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my Noraa account. Not only am I extensively trained in ISO analysis, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Semi-Experienced playerbase and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of this RVS, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn MyLo. I will IIoA all over you and you will drown in EBWOP. You’re ducking dead, Norwee."

that's a 10/10 bah post lmaooooo

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personally
my solve is looking like mundi/dave and their team is in shambles
mundi's day 2 iso upon reread also looks pretty bad, i think there was an agenda pushed there
his day 1 play did kinda remind me of how he was when he was a tracker in that game.

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yeah I think this is very likely to be scum, and I'm gonna shoot my shot here
yolo
VOTE: mundi

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i shot my shot and i missed I'm so sorry mundi. A game happened before where I had the chance to hammer scum (my first game on site) but after I expressed intent town backed off and I ended up being elimed as town.
to be fair your iso was pretty scummy
hmmm maybe a no lim would be best today considering its lylo
I think shelly is town still. Shelly woulda hard pushed me as scum daystart for my hammer on mundi
I also do think scum would try to push an elim against me here, suprised that hasn't happened.
So rn shelly, hectic are my townpool.
I could definitely see dave as scum and that's my main guess rn.
we may have a 4th pr, but its unlikely there are tfn, rolestopper, and gunsmith. I would think since theres a maf doc maybe another weak role? But that would mean like 3 investigatives. I just don't think mechanically it makes sense to have a maf doc and only 1 weak role and no town killing. If maf can't die at night its a very limited use.
I do think if we have a pr that's able to confirm or deconfirm anyone as town/scum (like a weak role) its worth massclaiming. Otherwise no
bugspray kill makes sense too, since bugs was soft confirmed
so rn im at:
town: shelly, hectic
im town
that leaves uno, dave, and duppin. Of those my first guess would be davez/duppin.

town

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shelly, given what we know about the setups power so far (weak tfn, rolestopper, gunsmith, and maf doctor) do you think there is another town pr?
I ask because I'm waiting for a claim but I unsure if we'll get one + how likely scum will fakeclaim here

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I had a very strong suspicion that mundi was scum after reading his iso. I thought it would be better to hammer there then give them a chance to change the wagon with their partner if the solve wasn't (mundi,dave) so it wouldn't result in a mislim.

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If you look through Plus's ISO, he doesn't actually explain why he scumread Mundi or give any independent reasons, he just thinks Mundi is strongly scum and says he thought there was an "agenda pushed there"

personally
my solve is looking like mundi/dave and their team is in shambles
mundi's day 2 iso upon reread also looks pretty bad, i think there was an

agenda pushed there

his day 1 play did kinda remind me of how he was when he was a tracker in that game.

What agenda, Plus?

One post that stood out to me was that mundi thought me vs norwee was not TvT. It ended up being TvT, but to me that was an agenda pushed to elim me and/or norwee after one of us flipped green.
Also the fact that they stalled day 2 on Noraas elim made me think they were looking for an opportunity to give 1 more day of life for noraa as their partner.

I think I like Duppin/Dave actually for the solve.
I'm not convinced that "Duppin would never kill bugs as scum" because he was still basically a confirmed townie. And he's also very "open to doing whatever" which is how I think scum would try to play this, but he's also very strongly encouraging an elim of me while being safe/neutral.

I think if we elim today I'll probably vote within Dave/duppin, but a nolim is better.

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I had a very strong suspicion that mundi was scum after reading his iso. I thought it would be better to hammer there then give them a chance to change the wagon with their partner if the solve wasn't (mundi,dave) so it wouldn't result in a mislim.

Literally the entire game was set on killing Mundi. UNOwen asked "does anyone disagree that Mundi should be tomorrow's elim?" or something along those lines the previous day even, and literally no one objected. There's no reason to believe or fear the vote was suddenly going to swing and people would change their minds, enough to cause you to end the day immediately like that. I'm struggling to believe it.

it doesn't make sense if im scum either though
if all the town was against mundi and I had known he was VT, why would I lolhammer there? If me and dave are the team that'd be near suicidal

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I also think there's some subtle pocketing going on with "I'm struggling to think the solve is joy + dave" as well, likely from duppin.
Identifying hectic as the "town leader", and trying to push an idea to him for a mislim while being open to whatever seems very much like a scum mentality. I think duppin has a high chance of being scum

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so duppin + ?
shelly doubtful unless shelly flips on me here.
hectic doubtful cause it didn't seem like theater. Usually the point of theater is for someones mind to get changed in an argument to protect a scumbuddy or move to a wagon. That interaction didnt seem like that at all
dave maybe?
uno maybe?
I'll need to reread isos later

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noraa hates bussing. I'm not suprised her scum team is all town slots

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hey I missed a bunch of the thread at the end of last day. I've got a bit more time on my hands rn so I'll try to keep up.

@bugspray: probably a good idea to unvote so someone doesn't yolohammer, the day just started and there's a lot of analysis still available.

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If there is a vig, do you think their claim is worth it?

If the vig is so bad that they target one of BM/Taylor who both said they could confirm their role. I'd rather they just claim and die tbh.

I mean... yeah.

this also seemed like they had known noraa was about to claim vig

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all 3 of his day 2 posts seemed to come from scum to me

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When I saw shelly defending I was seriously thinking it must be the solve, but now I've seen the Jacko/shelly interactions again, and shelly's heavy defence gives me pause.

plus does weird things as either alignment and they're (no offense) pretty bad at obvtowning.

I also never hard defend my buddies as scum; I usually go for either soft defense or distance

none taken but i don't have a completed scumgame

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shelly you agreeing/TRing me is scaring me a lil not gonna lie lol. Like your gonna flip out and tunnel me when I least expect it.
I'm just used to being mislimed by you but given way town is acting scum!shelly could pretty easily win by pushing me.

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I trust shelly here
I'm gonna probably vote dupin today or the next day

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I've played 3 games now with scum shelly, all 3 she pushed me fairly hard.
why are you inclined to believe its some sort of gambit uno? To me that looks like a subtle setup so you can possibly save duppin while being relatively safe depending on how people react to the claim

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shelly you agreeing/TRing me is scaring me a lil not gonna lie lol. Like your gonna flip out and tunnel me when I least expect it.
I'm just used to being mislimed by you but given way town is acting scum!shelly could pretty easily win by pushing me.

How does scum!shelly treat her partners? Have you ever seen scum!shelly treat a partner like she's treating you right now?

usually early game bus a bit and try to appear townie
late game tunnel town

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My gutreads at the moment ignoring all assocations are:

dupping/UNOwen
shelly/Plus
Dave

It's weird. duppin still pings heavily as town to me, just in all of his thoughts and the way he's pushing for stuff to happen. Plus's response to me I found fairly good. Dave just hasn't done enough today and doesn't seem to have any interest in solving this.

Now, when you add associations and potential team stuff, it gets more complicated. I'll definitely dedicate some time into rereading interactions between Noraa and co before the deadline is upon us. I suspect it'll be fruitful.

with that list im thinking its 100% the right play to wait a day

ignoring my shelly read, lets consider what happens when we wait
if shelly dies and flips investigative, that's an easy duppin elim.
If shelly doesn't die and is town investigative, we have a high chance of solving right there or confirming a townie. Regardless, scum is probably boned if we wait and shelly is town invest.
and if shelly is scum that puts them in an extremely akward position imo where they have to fake a solve or confirm a townie, and super qkward to fake. Why go through all that when shelly had a solid chance to elim me today if she SR me.

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shelly did a fake CC on me once in doggos as scum day 1. But in that case it went very horribly for scumteam, and I was already really scummy.

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yeah
VOTE: no elimination
rn im at duppin/uno being the solve. I reconsidered dave and I think his predecessor was pretty townie, I think his catchup struggle is genuine, and the vote on mundi was extremely risky given his standing
duppins recent posts regarding shellys invest result is pretty panicky too.

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...like night 3 only? What?
I've never seen a gate that specific. One night? And pretty late game too
It also seems convient for a claim for lylo.
Even so for reasons explained its still better to nolim for poe. I think its very unlikely your scum but still faintly possible.

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Night 3 tracker huh
I wanna give shelly the benefit of the doubt but the fact that its gated to night 3 only and shelly had any doubt in their mind that there was a tracker miller is strange. Most of the time millers claim day 1 and I'm 99% sure we have no miller in this setup given duppins response.

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nothing else i could have done that could lead you to believe i was scum which was why I said it was a fake claim.

there was nothing which made be believe you're scum, you played very well

but I have a GUILTY on you

then why would you choose to track him, and not say me when your last post thought I was scum?

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hi hectic
still I'm just genuinely confused because shelly is a good scum player why she would make up such a flimsy fakeclaim as scum.

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like, because its lylo, all she had to do was make 2 more fake results. She wouldn't even have to crumb them really. Ideally it'd be confirming her scumpartner and "confirming" another townie so they'd get pocketed.

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Yo
To cash in her towncred and save scum-buddy Dave from being launched today? She
really should've just bussed though and won the next day, this is the confusing thing.

she could achieve that same result by going after me i think considering my hammer was bad and she was already scumreading me

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hmm you raise a good point about setup spec
for what its worth i think you could be scum. if nothing else, you dying will remove 1 paranoia factor.

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yeah i can see that also
i expressed initial distrust of duppin early, this might be some sort of pocket
I'm very uncertain now. We need a nolim regardless.
my gut inclination is to trust dave and hectic here. I think the scum are somewhere in {shelly, duppin, uno}

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funny enough if shelly claimed gated to be after n2 or odd night I'd have believed it 100%. now I'm having second thoughts
meh, I know I'm town, and she did very similar behavior at noraa to me too. Might've been a reaction test of some sort to attack random slots with odd logic to look for scum hopping on to the wagon. I'm still think town!shelly here

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I'm actually thinking we should hurry and nolim. At this point we're giving maf more material of whose being TR the most and who could be mislimed tomorrow

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also if hectic is alive tomorrow I'm probably gonna tunnel them. Makes the most sense for a partner.

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i agree that there is scum in duppin/shelly 100%, and one of them will be tomorrows elim
but we need to consider what comes after that too. I think we wanna keep maf a little bit unaware of the gamestate for reads so we can do well in 3man lylo too

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why nolim tomorrow and not now

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I'm probably gonna be voting duppin if we go for a lim today

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shellys scumgame is very good but her towngame is questionable.
Do we massclaim?

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also if hectic is alive tomorrow I'm probably gonna tunnel them. Makes the most sense for a partner.

by the way what exactly do you mean by this? this seems like a really silly statement to make if you are town

you'll find out

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also if hectic is alive tomorrow I'm probably gonna tunnel them. Makes the most sense for a partner.

by the way what exactly do you mean by this? this seems like a really silly statement to make if you are town

you'll find out

youre still going to have to elaborate on your post. makes the most sense for a partner for who?

sorry to leave you hanging, but I suspect hectic will live and is scum
i'll answer why tomorrow

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How does a 1-shot tracker find conftown when there are presumably two scum left?

slip that theres 3 scum?

I dont think before posting. soft confirms are a thing as well, UNO.

what the hell shelly we all know that theres 3 scum, its a mini
i actually think you're being too dumb compared to usual scum!shelly, no offense.

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lol I'm pretty sure shelly is scum. The hard part now is convincing Plus to vote there if he's town (which he likely is).

I'm not convinced you're not scum with duppin. ughhhhhhhhhh this is hard.
shelly and hectic were like locktown for me now im really unsure
I'm probably gonna vote duppin

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also i dont mean this in a condescending way at all, but i really think you made a couple if big mistakes with your claim. this might be hindsight, but i really think you should have retracted the claim when i asked you to because i think that would wouldve likely won you the game. I understand that youre probably just going to call out this comment for whatever reasons and thats fair, but between the two of us you i just wanted to tell you that this is an area i think you should work on. it sounds super condescending actually but its not really not my intention

I am amazed by this if you're scum

how in the world
is giving advice to someone town!AI

agree with shelly on this

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screw it, i'm gonna vote duppin soon; but since its lylo I wanna hear from everyone, but since this could potentially end the game if a partner quickhammers, I wanna hear from everyone before I do. Sorry if I'm wrong.

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plus will you follow up on your post from yesterday?

which one

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oh the hectic thing. I meant not until after this day phase
Actually, Hectic was my strongest TR, and I was trying to bait scum into not nightkilling them when we get to 3 man lylo. But now I'm like, genuinely unsure since we disagree on whose scum in the 1v1

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duppin saying he'd nk me if scum is kinda odd too

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duppin saying he'd nk me if scum is kinda odd too

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oh the hectic thing. I meant not until after this day phase
Actually, Hectic was my strongest TR, and I was trying to bait scum into not nightkilling them when we get to 3 man lylo. But now I'm like, genuinely unsure since we disagree on whose scum in the 1v1

if you're unsure, why are you saying to vote duppin and side with me tho

so hectic would come with me to lylo

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duppin saying he'd nk me if scum is kinda odd too

why do you believe that is odd?

I'm pretty easily manipulated most of the time and limbait

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i thought mylo/lylo/elo all meant the same thing

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I see. Anyway Plus I need to solve your alignment and if youre town you really need to solve me, so let's talk

Could you explain your read on you? I understand that if you townread shelly and believe her claim, but you were already reading me as scum before that

its mainly gut. posting style has a bit to do with it too

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duppin saying he'd nk me if scum is kinda odd too

why do you believe that is odd?

I'm pretty easily manipulated most of the time and limbait

okay but you are clearly siding with shelly whereas hectic seems to believe me. are you aware that shelly tried to push the idea that if i was scum i would always kill her or hectic in the night?

no but hectic is most UTR so he'd be my best guess for the nk target

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you trying to "read" me comes more as survivalistic than genuine. I could understand the motivation if ur town tho.