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could someone confirm this?In post 846, shellyc wrote:I am inno child and everyone who fights against me will be sentenced to death- Tayl0r Swift
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is this true? i read from the post where he replaced out, and it seemed like people were sad to see him go. people were sad to see a scummy slot go?In post 850, shellyc wrote:your pred was very scummy, give me some Interesting Content so I can sort you
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from my vast experience playing with saudade, id say being quiet is +scum for saudadeIn post 744, Redados wrote:
when I posted this they had been active without doing too much pushing, mostly had just observed up to this pointIn post 595, duppin wrote:
Could you elaborate on this?In post 362, Redados wrote:I'm scumreading Saudade.- Tayl0r Swift
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in our newbie werent you going on about how meta is bad?In post 752, Noraa wrote:
I've never played with anyone here besides the few in doggosIn post 737, Odd Day Jester wrote:
People you think are town.In post 735, Noraa wrote:this-this doesn't count cuz idk what a townblock is
currently only have reads on the people in doggos
shelly plays strange. I dont understand her line of thinking ... ever. She'll be on my null for a long time bc I have a very hard time figuring her out.
Redados is giving me VERY different vibes here as compared to doggos where he was town. And these vibes r low-key scummy as well so he has an SR from me.
Mundivore has said like two things so im not sure what to think there. As town he was much more active...- Tayl0r Swift
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i have not read the posts in question, but isnt paranoia town indicative? you scumread the slot for being aggressive?In post 854, shellyc wrote:replacements suck
at last fmpov grendel's trying to be the agreeable mediator while I fight against the world
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this post concerns me. remind me maybe to read this entire iso?In post 791, Mundivore wrote:
VOTE: NorweiganboyEEIn post 580, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
What if i told you the character in my avi is called Clownpiece.In post 418, Mundivore wrote:And I think you all know what I think about clowns.
Holy moly, agreed. Although I can kinda feel JV's response to it, b/c they were the mod of Doggos. That game shows for sure that crazy aggressive Day 1 play is well within shelly's playbook lmao.In post 738, duppin wrote:that whole innocent child thing has to be the most awkward thing i have read in a while
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Anyway, this is a super high volume thread. I play this game for a hobby, not a living, though, so I can't promise I'll output to all y'all's standards. I'm doing my best to stay caught up, though.
In all seriousness, my urge to lim shelly is still there, but I worry it comes close to lim on policy more than anything else. Her play is so ridiculously aggressive that it feels like it could easily mislead the town. Not to mention, her SR'ing of anyone who looks at her funny is distracting, even though my gut tells me she's town this game.- Tayl0r Swift
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were there people my slot didnt shade in particular? pointing out scummy posts is pro town. pointing out scummy posts selectively from a few people is bad. id almost say scum want to selectively push one or two vulnerable people rather than shade everyone.In post 859, shellyc wrote:shading everyone furthers a scum wincon as scum win by getting miseliminations
mislims happen when town vote town
shading = +EV since town has >rand chance of voting other town if scum shades town
do you really have me as a scumread? if so, can you point to posts that are bad? i cant speak for my predecessor, but viewing the posts through the lens of knowing im town might help me interpret or see what /i/ saw?- Tayl0r Swift
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if the vote was an anger vote, the normal reaction upon not being angry would be to unvote and apologize i feel likeIn post 798, Redados wrote:
was very frustrated at her and felt like my vote was the most powerful way I could show my angerIn post 785, UNOwen wrote:Redados why did you vote Noraa?
now that I have calmed down, I will leave my vote where it is.- Tayl0r Swift
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just to avoid confusion, i was not scumreading shelly prior to reading any of the thread. i just picked shelly because ive played with her before and she had just posted. after reading some of the thread im still not really scumreading shelly, just a bit confused about her scumread on my slot.In post 874, duppin wrote:so why did you think it was shelly?
just to avoid confusion, does this mean you are still scumreading shelly or not?In post 863, Tayl0r Swift wrote:ok im all caught up.
yes, im caught up from the very beginning.
of page 30.
so far redados is scummy
not sure why shelly is pushing me, it seems no one else agrees? shelly has had some interesting takes.
im watching noraa.
does norwee roll only scum in normals?
not sure what to make of jackson or jester, they havent posted much in the pages i read.- Tayl0r Swift
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it was sarcasm, its a very small amount of experience. hope you get less sad irl.In post 884, Saudade wrote:What vast experience do u have playing with me- Tayl0r Swift
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i read you as non-clown.In post 892, Noraa wrote:Taylor Taylor I want a read too!! I feel left out ;(
I'm bored and most people's reads on me are boring. Make urs interesting pls <.<- Tayl0r Swift
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remind me not to trust mundivore's readsIn post 899, Mundivore wrote:Tayl0r seems nice and level-headed- Tayl0r Swift
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noraa even i know why thats there. its in the last 2-3 pages, mundi was specifically asked for clown reads. its nonsense shitposting.In post 900, Noraa wrote:Mundivore is this a joke or something cuz we're out of rvs already -____-
but if its not what's a clownread?- Tayl0r Swift
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ok, ill give that a shot.In post 901, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
remind me not to trust mundivore's readsIn post 899, Mundivore wrote:Tayl0r seems nice and level-headed
it was jester, who else?- Tayl0r Swift
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ive been in this game for 3 pages and have read 8 pages. gimme a minute to figure out whats what, ok? theres been very little AI content, and most of it has been shelly pushing on me, which shelly always does.In post 947, shellyc wrote:@taylor why are you still holding vote? whos your biggest SR aorn?- Tayl0r Swift
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do you have something against giraffes? what the hell is wrong with you?In post 949, Odd Day Jester wrote:Every time you fluffpost, Noraa, an angel loses its wings and falls down to Earth to become a giraffe. Are you really okay with that?- Tayl0r Swift
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shelly's push on me is... weird. now that ive seen the things she thinks are scummy im even more confused. they seem like normal townish things...
saying "id be willing to vote there but dont want to vote a vanity wagon/move my vote/whatever" seems fine to me. i dont understand the case. making cases that i dont understand is somewhat +scum, but eh?- Tayl0r Swift
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this is actually not possible to read. the enter key is your friend, friend.In post 966, Noraa wrote:
gut is a terrible way to get reads from my experience(lol a hot 2 games) But yeah my gut's wrong 1000000% of the time that I'm town. This is scientifically proven yes by Noraa the genius scientist. Mundivore seems to talk more as town but I haven't meta dived him so I'm not 100% sure that is correct. Bugspray was the one yelling at me for voting the mod >:( Noraa's gut sure doesn't like him for questioning that. I saw someone else do it in some random finished game and I was like OH EM GEE that looks funsies ... and so yeah him SRing me for it made me a wee bit upsetti spaghetti. Jacksons my favorite. Period. Duppin SRed for the same thing as Bugspray I'm pretty sure and so I was upsetti spaghetti again. Mini is loved by everyone I agree. She def strikes me as a lil scummy bc of all the sheeping shit but I do understand its hard to put reads together as newbtown since I also struggle with that. Grendel/Taylor idk. Slot hasn't talked much and I'm still upsetti with Taylor for asking scum Noraa to self hammer in newbie whatever the number was U r hard to read but ur posts seem more likely to come from town than scum. Ur play style def throws me off a bit. Shelly is shelly and always is aggressive. Nothing crazy from her yet. I didn't like her accusations against me however nothing she has done is AI so far imo. Saudade is a null rn since he's done a few things that I've found slightly scummy however its not anything crazy. Redados has very biased judgement. It's not cool and I think its fairly likely that he actually is scum this round because of his LAMIST entrance and that fake AtE. UNO has said like two things. NEE hasn't said anything AI either imo.In post 957, Odd Day Jester wrote:
Okay, I'll give you my quick rundown based on the top off my head:In post 950, Noraa wrote:fluffing is better than running around and starting a shit ton of little hurricanes
anyways jester what is ur read on the game rn?
I am struggling to find scum ngl and want to hear some opinions to *hopefully* guide me in the right direction
1. Noraa - Gut says town.
2. Mundivore - I like his clown gimmick, which ironically makes him pretty clowny himself. Hasn't done a whole lot content-wise, but wanting to policy elim shelly while admitting his gut says she's town is slight +town for him, given his following reasons in 899 are okay.
3. bugspray - Probably town. Entered strongly, but want to see more.
4. JacksonVirgo - Liked him while he was here. Interactions with shelly especially.
5. duppin - Townish for admittance of voting me despite not scumreading, and then progression of moving vote elsewhere after looking through my ISO.
6. MiniMegabyte - Townish from META (everyone's favourite)
7. Tayl0r Swift replaces Grendel - Towny, I liked his thoughts for the most part.
8. Odd Day Jester - Obvscum. Kill it with fire.
9. shellyc - Gut screams scum. Meta implies scum.
10. Saudade - Lacks fire. Could be due to real life. Unsure.
11. Redados - Towny for that emotional reaction to the Noraa.
12. UNOwen - Inconclusive.
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white knighting for whom? i didnt get that from the bits i read. the only part i really took away was the bit directed at me which was either a pocket attempt or noraa town. more likely noraa town, but could go either way i supposeIn post 987, shellyc wrote:why do you think that fence-sitty word salad is town aligned when they're clearly trying to fill up space with words
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idkIn post 988, shellyc wrote:noraa's used the word “idk” a horrific amount of times, anyone else getting scumpings- Tayl0r Swift
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In post 998, Noraa wrote:
no no it's not.In post 997, shellyc wrote:
it's better to be paranoid than lack of scumreadsIn post 995, Noraa wrote:the word scumpings shows up in more than half ur posts and scumping by itself means nothing
I'll get scum reads once I gather enough info and shit. u get scum pings over essentially nothing.
stop it. youre both the prettiest pony.In post 999, shellyc wrote:
it's good to have scumreads even if they are wrong you get information from a callout / readIn post 998, Noraa wrote:no no it's not.
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you want your signature to be:In post 1007, Noraa wrote:
I honestly kinda am tempted as wellIn post 1006, shellyc wrote:I WANNA MAKE THAT MY SIGNATURE LMAOOOO
"I WANNA MAKE THAT MY SIGNATURE LMAOOOO"?
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cuz thats a post that requires effort. ill answer later. if i dont, nag me.In post 1011, Odd Day Jester wrote:Dream as if you'll live like Noraa, live as if you'll die like shelly
Sounds good, feel free to use it lol, you'll just have to wait until the game is over
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thats basically how i operate. youre gonna see me throwing some random shit at random walls for a while until i get settledIn post 1023, duppin wrote:I was okay with Tayl0r's predecessor but not sure what to think of the slot at the moment. I know Jester already asked you to explain why you find his read on Saudade opportunistic but I would also really like to hear your read on Saudade since you did throw slight shade towards him earlier saying him being silent is a scum tell, I am well aware you were being sarcstic about your vast experience with him but still you never mentioned him after that.
actually i'd also like to hear your read on Mundivore since you said one of their posts concerned you but then you never mentioned them after that either- Tayl0r Swift
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you have no scumreads?In post 1032, Mundivore wrote:Hrm. I'm tired of all the fluff.
It feels like there hasn't been any really consequential scumhunting at all in these entire forty-two pages. Nobody has made behavior with actualstakes. I don't know if I can confidently eliminate even a single pair of scumbuddies with any degree of confidence.
Things won't happen unless town starts voting for people. I've been part of the problem, but it's easy enough to fix.
VOTE: Saudade to E-2.
I actually don't like this wagon. I like Saudade for town. However, either this entices scum out to put more votes on people, or I get shown a more compelling wagon, right? But somebody really needs to start taking risks for us to actuallylearnthings.- Tayl0r Swift
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if you think the saudade wagon is scum-driven why the hell are you on it?In post 1043, Mundivore wrote:
Simply put, without any real stakes for those events, I can't confidently say their scum play would deviate in any way from their town play. People react primarily to incentives. I don't think there have been any plausible consequences for any single person in this game so far.In post 1040, Odd Day Jester wrote:
Seriously? What about Jacko/I pushing shelly, or shelly pushing Grendel/Jacko? You have nothing for associations despite all that?In post 1032, Mundivore wrote:It feels like there hasn't been any really consequential scumhunting at all in these entire forty-two pages. Nobody has made behavior with actual stakes. I don't know if I can confidently eliminate even a single pair of scumbuddies with any degree of confidence.
The one possible exception is shelly's fake IC reveal, but that's only true since shelly didn't make it as obviously a joke as it was. But that's not helpful either, since town or scum would react to an IC reveal in the exact same way there, so we don't get any real information about JV from it. We are still quintessentially in RVS.
Honestly, I think this Saudade wagon carries at least one or two scum on it. I think that if I had more time, I'd go over the wagon and really look at people's reasons for voting onto it. But in the mean time, we need to accelerate the pace of voting and making meaningful decisions in this game. Nonsense decisions don't yield information. Nonsense plays don't yield information. Town and scum play quite similarly so long as we expect that they're playing well. Scum players have an incentive to look like town, so that they aren't elimm'd. Town PRs have an incentive to look slightly scummy, so that they aren't NK'd. Vanilla townies have an incentive to look like Town PR's so that they get NK'd instead of the PRs, which means they have an incentive to look slightly scummy as well. Playing towards the 'middle' of the block is a conveniently viable strategy for all players.
However, there are plays which can be made which have fundamentally different consequences for scum than they do for town. Analyzing how people react to these plays are the only way to get actually concrete information about the game state.
—The later votes on a wagon. (Reason: scum know the outcome of the wagon. The only way scum wins is by creating enough mislims. Scum are more likely to turn a wagon on a townie into a viable wagon.)
—Shifting off of a heavy wagon. (Reason: scum know the outcome of the wagon. The only way scum wins is by creating enough mislims. Scum are more likely to find reasons to abandon a scum wagon.)
—Heavily pushing a viable wagon. (Reason: scum know the outcome of the wagon. The only way scum wins is by creating enough mislims. Scum will not heavily push the wagon of scum and are more likely to heavily push a town wagon.)
—Hammering or declaring intent to hammer. (Reason: scum know the outcome of the final vote. The only way scum wins is by creating enough mislims. Scum may be willing to hammer a townie for weaker reasons. Scum are generally unwilling to hammer scum unless the town is already resolved in their target, in which case they'd quite like to hammer scum.)
—Claims. (Reason: scum are likely to claim a PR to survive the day, but unlikely to get NK'd in retribution. Scum may claim a PR that is very unlikely to appear in conjunction with an existing town PR, in which case a CC can secure a 1-for-1 trade at worst which is very town favorable on average.)
In order to run into any of these plays, it is essentially a requirement that there must be a player who could plausibly be elimmed. I don't like the Saudade wagon but we aren't going to learn anything about the game state with all the wagons hovering around E-3 or worse. To advance the game state to a point where we can actually get concrete information from the role reveals on elim and at night phase, we need to be making sure that the wagons are non-trivial.
also, shelly, your jackson case is bad. i dont see the scumslip at all, and i dont see why most of that stuff is scummy- Tayl0r Swift
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we only get information from your vote if you somewhat believe it.In post 1046, Mundivore wrote:I mean, I just turned Saudade's wagon into a much more viable wagon. By my own reasoning, a Saudade town flip (atanypoint in the game, even if we leave this wagon for a better one) should make me appear more scummy, and a Saudade scum flip should make me appear more town.
I'm aware of the fact that my vote looks more scummy than not. As I said, playing towards the middle is a fine strategy. The point is, I'm making a play that has consequences. Votes, and the ways people react to votes, and the ways people reactwithvotes, are the only thing that have consequences and therefore any concrete long-term meaning in this game. If you're serious about your doubt of me, vote for me. Things need tohappen.Otherwise, town will keep floundering until we run out of time and we're forced to elim the person with the most votes on them just so that we don't give scum an extra kill.
ok so redados, mundivore, jester, and saudade are my PoE atm.- Tayl0r Swift
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actually i kinda agree that i got overly excited about that. its a scummy post, but not reason in itself that jester is lockscum.In post 1058, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Really not a fan of this post.In post 989, Tayl0r Swift wrote:what was the motivation for doing this jester? it seems like you were searching for an excuse to scumread someone rather than trying to sort someone.Spoiler:
redados and jester are topscum for me at this point.
VOTE: jester
but id also be happy to vote redados
Ironically it feels like you're trying to find an excuse yourself to scumread Jester here. And your read seems too strong based on that flimsy evidence.- Tayl0r Swift
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just gonna respond point by point here rather than breaking the quote up.
-eh dont see why thats scummy, its page 3
-dont see why the next couple are scummy rather than just lazy or disengaged. sure its anti-town but that doesnt make it scummy.
-now we're down to 310, fair enough, but you saying weak gutread is pretty easy to fake
- fair enough
- eh, dunno about this
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like the case itself is fine. its just i couldnt follow why youd push that rather than another case. and going into reading an iso with the mindset of trying to prove scum means youre going to confirmation bias yourself. i also somewhat scumread saudade (although i really havent seen saudade post much since i joined, so the saudade posts ive seen have been cherrypicked).- Tayl0r Swift
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except that i didnt sheep you onto redados. i stated reasons for the scumread earlier.In post 1067, Noraa wrote:
I may have started the redados wagon but I dont like ur really fast transition here after being criticized for ur other wagon. I almost feel like its a scum!Taylor jumping on this wagon that will slowly start pushing it and later if redados was town, u would blame it on me for starting the wagon. And if redados is ur scum partner, u would get lots of town credit for bussing him. I'm not liking the vibes I'm getting here. I agree I wasn't particularly paying too much attention in the newbie that just ended however ur tone here is definitely different. I'll keep you at a TR for now but ur definitely looking fishy as of rn and you will definitely be replacing redados in my SRs if he flips green not red. If he flips red, it would be a lil strange for scums to bus one of their partners day 1 but it would also get u a shit shit shit ton of town cred which if ur an independent kind of scum, that's what u would do. I have fishy vibes on Taylor rn. Can anyone agree with me here? If I get some sort of confirmation that I am indeed not insane, I may be considering replacing bugspray/Norwee with her as the third scumIn post 1065, Tayl0r Swift wrote:a vote count would be great.
that said afaik the jester wagon is not really viable, and now that ive slept i do think redados probably has more scum equity than jester, so
VOTE: redados
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but i stated a scumread with reasoningIn post 1070, Noraa wrote:U have never had a case on Redados- Tayl0r Swift
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if the vote was an anger vote, the normal reaction upon not being angry would be to unvote and apologize i feel likeIn post 798, Redados wrote:
was very frustrated at her and felt like my vote was the most powerful way I could show my angerIn post 785, UNOwen wrote:Redados why did you vote Noraa?
now that I have calmed down, I will leave my vote where it is.In post 863, Tayl0r Swift wrote:ok im all caught up.
yes, im caught up from the very beginning.
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so far redados is scummy
not sure why shelly is pushing me, it seems no one else agrees? shelly has had some interesting takes.
im watching noraa.
does norwee roll only scum in normals?
ok here is my progression on redados which actually doesnt have as much as i thought it did.In post 989, Tayl0r Swift wrote:what was the motivation for doing this jester? it seems like you were searching for an excuse to scumread someone rather than trying to sort someone.Spoiler:
redados and jester are topscum for me at this point.
VOTE: jester
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wrong. im always obvscumIn post 1078, NorwegianboyEE wrote:From my experience, when Tayl0r is obvscum they're obvscum. Dunno how they play as town yet.- Tayl0r Swift
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i mean youre wrong and your opinion is not a factIn post 1083, Noraa wrote:where's the manipulation? you do look like a scum backpedalling rn. its an opinion of mine that is based off of facts- Tayl0r Swift
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am i not a hot ten?In post 1122, Noraa wrote:Grendel literally posted like a hot ten posts. And during those ten posts, I had a pretty null and sorta leaning town read on them. However Taylor did not at all match these reads.- Tayl0r Swift
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nope, no offense taken. i make no effort to obvtown.In post 1123, shellyc wrote:make a big ugly quote wall and tell me where tf grendel's posts indicated a town mindset
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im not sure what grading scale youre using here, so i dont know how to feel about thatIn post 1132, Noraa wrote:
no ur not a hot 10. ur a hot 50 and a scummy hot 50 at thatIn post 1129, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
am i not a hot ten?In post 1122, Noraa wrote:Grendel literally posted like a hot ten posts. And during those ten posts, I had a pretty null and sorta leaning town read on them. However Taylor did not at all match these reads.- Tayl0r Swift
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not really. well maybe? i dont understand any reasoning as to why im supposed to be scum, so im just ignoring it. but then also, no one else does either and im town so im not really stressing. i did say that you should be able to see that im town here based on 2028In post 1144, Noraa wrote:Taylor's replies to my SRs have been awfully calm tho which is kinda throwing me off a bit. I'm not quite too sure if I'm correct with my SR but I've never played a game with scum!Taylor so I'm worrying a lil that this may be AI- Tayl0r Swift
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why does self aware = scum?In post 1153, shellyc wrote:
this sounds super self aware?In post 1149, Tayl0r Swift wrote:you do you. i wont be offended if you decide to scumread me. but ill be a little disappointed.
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town has the job of avoiding being mislimmed. being self-aware furthers that. you can be self-aware and scumhunt. this is an awful argument.In post 1157, shellyc wrote:Uhhh self awareness = scum because of the simple reason that scum's job is to avoid being limmed and being self aware furthers that
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