Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

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rawr!

i have spicy things to say

fuck rvs

expect me here tomorrow

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14

plz no

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BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.

VOTE: Battle Mage

why do you consider it scummy to push you, when you say you consider yourself lhf?

from what i've read, your counter tunnel is at least as bad. What do you think is scummy about tunneling?

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hi shell

nice to meet you

currently on page 3 or 4 so give me some time here

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but ok, if you didn't know the difference, what did you mean in 74 by calling my behaviour anti-town?

Dropping a vote without backing it up with reasons/evidence is definitely antitown behavior imo. It means ur not willing to even try to support it and convince others its right which makes me think u dont believe it urself. The only people that would be that sure who the scums are would be the scums themselves especially at this stage in the game

So what makes you think battlemage has to be scum due to him as you say. Making a vote based on little evidence.

Ok at this stage any votes bound are to be weak but what makes you think that it must be indication that he is scum. Rather than maybe for instance if you are town, simply another townie pushing a read.

i like bob's takes here

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VOTE: noraa

bad vote

despite noraa having (what i consider) bad insights, i don't think they come from a scummy mindset

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i like bob's takes here

care to elaborate?

dont think it townpings

i didn't say i fully townread him based on that

i said i liked the pov, because i share the same

can scum fabricate that? yes sure
but i like it nontheless, because it is in fact a good insight

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I feel moderately happy calling datisi town at this point

i think flipping menalque at this point is probably +chance to win the game

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I think a scum in (BM, noraa) seems likely above rand

yeah i don't think this thought is a genuine one coming from menalque

i know ur a good player, and i'm sure town!you would see the newbtown in Noraa as well as where BM is coming from. If anything, town!you might be pushing BM here but never noraa I think.

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I feel moderately happy calling datisi town at this point

only moderately?

I’m a little bit drunk otherwise maybe it would be strongly

You know the dragon dats

Do you agree that it’s +scum that he’s ignoring me in our PT despite reading it even under the threat of me outing the neighbourhood and pushing his flip

VOTE: menalque

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you wanna do this in every single game we play in? fine

i don't have the patience to do this every fucking single time

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All Datisi did was vote without giving a reason. Thats at most a little antitown/scummy

imagine voting someone without a reason in rvs

outragious

datisi how dare you

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despite noraa having (what i consider) bad insights, i don't think they come from a scummy mindset

why do you think bad insights come from a town mindset

I don't really see town!noraa directly approaching BM, noraa is trying to shade BM NOT solve them, how is that a townie mindset

because noraa is doing the omgus tunnel thingy, which most of the times comes from town. I disagree with the other part because I feel scum are quicker to disengage over smt like this, then town. Town are a lot more likely to directly engage with BM here.
Noraa probably feels like they've already solved BM slot.

It reminds me of Town!Ico minus a year or two

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pedit: thats exactly why I think noraa is scummy: they try and shade people with incorrect logic instead of trying to solve

and I don't think the incorrect logic is on purpose

you are holding noraa to a high(ish) standard of town play, which is trying to solve despite being scumread

while to me it's Obvious noraa already has a read on BM that it's pushing

but ehhh

i don't like being forced into noraa defense here, i'd rather see it play out. You know my thoughts about the slots, do with it what you will.

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i think it's +++scum and you should probably out the neighbourhood and poweryeet his ass

excuse me?

how serious was this comment?

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first

best intro so far imo

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omgus tunnel is anti-town no matter what
noraa ended up lockscum on BM and how does town have that kind of confidence

i'm gonna say this one more time

it literally reminds me of myself

the amount of times i've omgus tunneled people as town is uncountable

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Is Menalque the only person that saw those pushes on me as far far far too aggressive? Especially for 7 pages into the fucking game?

If yes, idk what to say about this playerlist anymore. Y'all can just lim me so I dont have to suffer thru a game with such a clear obvscum that just tunnels and tunnels the shit out of LHF Noraa.

if you don't stop playing the newb card and don't stop acting like you should be getting it easy just for being new, i'll just help tunnel you i think

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@icon can you confirm you're in a hood

don't miss this

pedit: ok we'll agree to disagree

i'm fine with that, i'm just offering you my thoughts

i didn't miss it don't worry

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The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want.

Why is this a bad thing tho, we still get a scum for the trouble and we can worry about sorting the others later if this is TvS

my point is that we also need to be keeping an eye out for the other scums. I, for one want a BM lim today since I am literally so certain those aggressive pushes dont come from town. But I think while we are doing this, we should be keeping an eye out for the other scums.

i think bm is more likely to be town then scum

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This is something I do based off of gut scumpings occasionally. I think the scum team is Taylor/BM/Datisi
this is purely gut and only here for me to reference postgame to see how well I did guessing the scum team
This IS NOT a read
This shouldn't be considered when looking at my stance in the game. This is pure gut

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trying to softpocket both bm and noraa is Interesting

i've been in my share of town v town shitfights, i tend to recognize them lol

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Actually maybe Taylor should be a scumlean based on that vote

you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.

mena disliked this post

somewhat agree with disliking this

unsure why taylor can't have scumreads until everyone has posted… sounds like stalling, which town doesn't or shouldn't do

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trying to softpocket both bm and noraa is Interesting

you don't know me and that's fine but like

i pocket people by fighting them

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right, nulltown
i just saw him above null and sorted it as townlean

Serious thoughts on icon reading our PT and not responding to me in it especially after he specifically asked me to play in this game?

level-zero-thinking says kinda sus

for more elaborate thought ask me later

datisi is actually scum

with menal? maybe

even if i was in a pt, datisi would Always be protecting me here because they know

IT'S MY WEEKEND VLA

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it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

if i'm wrong about what i'm seeing going in with menal/dats then this is just a scum opening

actually, i don't have to be wrong about that hmmmm

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You know the dragon dats

Do you agree that it’s +scum that he’s ignoring me in our PT despite reading it even under the threat of me outing the neighbourhood and pushing his flip

Dont you know the dragon doesnt weekend?

well at least someone knows what's up

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iconeum when are you getting back to 340

not before fully reading the game

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Random fact : There has been more peoples killed by drink dispensers than by shark attacks

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iconeum when are you getting back to 340

not before fully reading the game

i was a lot closer to finishing the game then i thought :p

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Actually maybe Taylor should be a scumlean based on that vote

you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.

fence-sitting on BMvNoraa and justifying vote on me as RVS (despite us leaving RVS)

mmm no, ur misrepping here

it's not a fencesit when taylor is *clearly* calling both of them probtown
and holy fuck if people wanna RVS vote then let people RVS vote

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i've got a great example or 2 from a (scum I think?) fencesitting post early game from my last game or 2 if you wanna see it

this ain't it

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BM, hot take

noraa counter tunneling and omgus'ing you isn't scum!indicative
noraa using the newbie card to get out of jail for free is NAI, because scum!noraa would probably be using that as much as town!noraa

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VOTE: goldenparasox

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that typo is funny as hell

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it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

I feel greatly bullied here btw
y'all tunnel hard
accuse me of using AtE if u wish. In a way it is asking u to stop tunneling this hard

The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want.

Why is this a bad thing tho, we still get a scum for the trouble and we can worry about sorting the others later if this is TvS

my point is that we also need to be keeping an eye out for the other scums. I, for one want a BM lim today since I am literally so certain those aggressive pushes dont come from town. But I think while we are doing this, we should be keeping an eye out for the other scums.

to elaborate a bit on my read - nora right now is doing exactly to bm what they are accusing bm of doing to others. the hypocrisy is not lost. i don't see nora vs bm as TvT but right now I'm null on BM and scumreading nora, and i absolutely think this could be an SvS bussing episode.
i'm slightly confused as to why town would be this confident in a read that they have developed in the first few hours of the game? if you're THIS confident that BM is scum, then simply voting them and removing them (without "keeping an eye out" for the other scum) would give town a massive leg up. i'm looking at nora as potential scum, and i'm looking at BM as a potential scumpartner. piisirrational is looking pretty good to me right now, although i will acknowledge that i am biased towards analyzers/gamesolvers so i'm putting him as a null, maybe a slight townlean. although menalque is kinda annoying me with their posting frequency, i'm townleaning them because they seem at least a little bit genuine about trying to read the BM/Nora bandwagon. no one else has enough substance to be read right now.

to respond to #224 - no it didn't; most players haven't posted anything substantial yet.

the first quote is GP's opening, which is a complaint about activity being unhelpfull, despite him getting a scumread out of it. Not normal towniel logic. Not to mention hopping on what seems to be the popular opening wagon with reasons best described as... not there.

Second quote is a fencesit where GP explicitely doesn't town v townread the fight, picks noraa as the scum in between the 2, but lets open a door where he can scumread either of them, even in a team. There is not a single word of logic behind this thinking nor an explanation.

This furthers my belief that noraa v bm is in fact town v town
and GP's position is a scum opening that i've seen quite a bit recently.

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VOTE: Menalque

At least partly because it would be hilarious if we flip him Day 1 when he said it would be impossible, and partly to get to the bottom of this secret PT mystery.

fine i'll spill the beans

menalque is notorious for fake claiming with/towards me and my potential roles in game, and we tend to get into a fight over it early on. He's never hard claimed like this with me tho

IIRC it was Always town!menal who pulled this shit but i'll look towards Datisi 'The Keeper Of Games' for confirmation

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menalque's claim is a reaction test

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why? idfk, ask him

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menalque's claim is a reaction test

so he's lying, and you're not in some PT with him?

what do you think are the options for either allignment!menal who's in an actual PT with me?

Town!menal openly claims it without giving me a chance to talk to him in there first?
Scum!menal openly claims it because??

Do you have any theory that makes sense as to him outing it at this stage?

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hi datisi

i'll wait for you to catch up before we make it another 8 pages

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pagetop

fuck

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should i be worried you're saying this while quoting a post where he's calling me town, asking for a friend

probably

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the word "somewhat" kinda pings as FENCE-SITTING.this is the correct implementation of the word

it's not

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ico can we talk about this once i manage to get to the presentwhat's the non-townie logic in the first part?

'i scumread player x after reading the game'

also: 'i think the game is all spam and utterly useless'

what doesn't comply here?

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Icon why did you out the fakeclaim

dude i love and like you all the same but

WILL YOU STOP PUTTING ME IN THESE FUCKING POSITIONS IN GAMES ALREADY

it's almost meme-worthy

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So I guess I’m struggling to see what the town!otivation was in you shutting that down early

no u

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So I guess I’m struggling to see what the town!otivation was in you shutting that down early

no u

I mean there may not have been oudles of town!motivation in me doing it in the first place as opposed to “lol icon’s in the game what are we going with today”

But it was generating discussion and idk why you decided to close that down early by outing it

if you think i'm gonna let you have the joy of toying with me like that, dude

what you been smoking

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ok i'll go retract my report

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@menalisi, why did you vote shelly/is shelly a hot take?

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fuck me there's 2 more pages

i uhhh

well

good luck

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it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

seems reasonably all-in on the 'pretty spammy and unhelpful' part, while also maintaining that they could a scumread out of it

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that was @datisium

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4 minutes without a post

game ded

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ico UTR

is getting concerning at this point, makes me feel like theres pocketing scum in there

ico UTR

ico

UTR

i did it mom!
i finally fucking did it!

i'm townread on Day 1!
bring out the big boy steak!

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ok but

UTR!

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dats didn’t you concur with my teacher read though? contradiction

go on?

wdym?

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who's townreading ico other than username and me?

I am, and iirc menal was at some point

12 players me not included

you, menal, let's include datisi

that's 9 out of 12 NOT townreading me explicitely

where does the UTR come from then?

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and that's not saying that I don't feel the town loving vibes from menal LOL

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maybe tomorrow

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Rawr!

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i'll be catching up on these 10 or so pages in a little while

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At first glance noraavsBM looked TvS because it kinda felt like noraas scumgame but noraa is consistently LHF so I was reconsidering + man ico is charismatic

I SHALL NOT BE POCKETED SO EASIL-

fuck it

you got me

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man ico is charismatic

i have been called many things in the game of mafia

charismatic is... not one of them

so i don't know what to make of this

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okay here's where were at now

Mena - town
Datisi - townread
TGP - strong town lean
bob, alonzo - town lean
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BM - nulltown BUT if noraa is scum moves up to same level as TGP

Teacher - null
iaaun

pii - scumlean
noraa -- down here but I haven't actually reread her posts to try to deal with the question of newb!town or newb!scum, willing to listen to other takes on this, rn I'm happy to go with my initial impressions
Taylor - scum
shelly

you forgot to fill me in

and i've been sweettalking to you in our hood like crazy!

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look, y'all both escalated a fight over a really. weird. scumread on bm by you after his claim. am i saying you're scum? no. do i really trust your reads right now, and do i think your scumreads on menal and me are legitimate instead of simply trying to generate empty content? no, not really. you're looking really defensive to me right now, so while i'm staying with my light townlean, i'm not confident in it either.

wtf ur vote was on my earlier and suddenly I'm a light town lean
VOTE: Golden

this is interesting actually

GP didn't have a slight townlean on noraa, it was a scumread on the catfight. Forgetting once's read makes you believe it could have been... faked maybe?

noraa catching on to this is good

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look, y'all both escalated a fight over a really. weird. scumread on bm by you after his claim. am i saying you're scum? no. do i really trust your reads right now, and do i think your scumreads on menal and me are legitimate instead of simply trying to generate empty content? no, not really. you're looking really defensive to me right now, so while i'm staying with my light townlean, i'm not confident in it either.

especially considering GP 'was keeping his vote where it is for now' on noraa, despite scumreading me

so voting a light townread over your scumread is

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Note to self do not reconsider my reads or change my stances ever again.

Note to self do not townread people.

also how am I pocketing you if I now think you're scum

uhh yeah this post scumpings hard wth
this is basically textbook manipulation VOTE: shelly

also nora's reads on menal and me scream newbtown. talking abt who "benefits most" from a hypocritical catfight that you started pings me as a really "not newbscum" thing to say.

Woah woah woah there buddy. You tell me again who started this "catfight"

look, y'all both escalated a fight over a really. weird. scumread on bm by you after his claim. am i saying you're scum? no. do i really trust your reads right now, and do i think your scumreads on menal and me are legitimate instead of simply trying to generate empty content? no, not really. you're looking really defensive to me right now, so while i'm staying with my light townlean, i'm not confident in it either.

wtf ur vote was on my earlier and suddenly I'm a light town lean
VOTE: Golden

did you not read my post - that you quoted - and my two posts before that, where I said you look like newbtown? what?

ahah

i did also miss this
hmmm

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Oops

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drunk mod best mod

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that stream of logic is easy to follow from datisi and the way they articulate their thoughts are geniune and pretty indicative of a solving mindset? so +townpoints to datisi

cringey buddying yuck yuck yuck

damn

like, i think i'm capable somewhat of reading datisi

they haven't quite obvtowned just yet
also pointing out that one's capability to make coherent thoughts isn't town!indicative

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VOTE: iamausername

i kinda like iamausername… if that even is his real username

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VOTE: iamausername

i kinda like iamausername… if that even is his real username

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mmmm so I'm not too sure what I'm thinking about this game atm however I have a few things I dont like so far

BM changes votes far too often. I think this is scummy bc scums will flip flop a shit ton since what's going thru their mind is gonna be something like : "hmm good limbait here. ooo better limbait here. oh maybe the first limbait was better etc etc"

Not too sure if that's correct but uh ... that's how I am when I'm scum so yeah.

Datisi I am 100% certain is very much capable of producing content yet I am not seeing much content. I think that may be a scumtell for him tho I have never played a game with him before so I couldn't say.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

Mena is .... meh. I'm not sure what alignment mena is but I wouldn't be surprised with either aorn.

everyone else is even more meh. talk more and maybe I'll try to solve u some more

whatever townread i had on you yesterday, it's going away very very quickly

i can't believe you are genuinly coming up with new reasons to scumread BM on every single post you make (figure of speech, but still)
in what world is changing votes often a scumtrait? you think town are never gonna go 'omg this is scum, wait no it isn't OH WAIT I SEE SCUM OVER THERE, oh wait no etc'
damn

dat shade on datisi wow: 'i don't know this player at all, but i'm SURE it produces content so it must be scum here'

the golden point is ok tho

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i'm in favour of elimming in the pool of 'lurkers' today, to stop the game stagnating. anyone with fewer than 15 posts so far.

Which means: Dox, Taylor, Piis and Iama.

I think you know I like Dox for the blox.

my dude

this game

isn't stagnating any time soon

but make a good point because i went 'uuhhh who?' on like 3 of those

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Didn't you already make your mind up I was definitely scum? It's a bit late to pretend to sort me now.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

hot take, you're right, Golden dude is scum.

this game is looking to benefit from a noraa flip the more it posts

Wtf. I put more thought into my read on u in attempts to sort u better and u just try to brush it aside with this thats basically the equivalent of "yeah that was just her tunneling ignore it"

STOP DISCREDITING. LITERALLY STOP.

Saying "hot take, you're right, Golden dude is scum" is not in the least bit helpful. I couldn't care less whether or not scum!BM agrees with me.

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welp, my stuff went inside the quote there…

*this game is looking to benefit from a noraa flip the more it posts*

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VOTE: Battle Mage

You have no way out of this, scum!BM

hot take:

yeah he does

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I dont agree with this. I can definitely see why people would SR my tunneling however it was far less aggressive than BM's tunneling. And tunneling that hard in the first ten damn pages is not something town would do bc town know literally nothing about the setup and are lost asf before some flips. I could see scum doing it but I can't see town doing that. I dont see how my logic is flawed. Tunneling that aggressively is definitely a scumtell.

you have a lot to learn, young one

'people should scumread BM's tunneling, obv scum'
'people should townread me tunneling, obvtown'

BM's tunnel can come from either place tbf, and even a lot more likely coming from town who sniffed something. If you reacted a bit chiller, i'm 99% sure BM didn't tunnel you to begin with. I can see town doing it.

It's not a scumtell. You are wrong. You still have a chance to get some actual towntelling going on, but otherwise i'm feeling more and more like a noraa flip today.

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Dayum ur polite. The ruder equivalent would've been "ur not producing any either" Hm I just feel like you aren't trying that hard to solve rn and that's feeling a bit off to me. Its more the overall vibe of ur posts is kinda this ~lazy~ vibe. (no offense intended and these type of things are hard to tell over the internet anyways so disregard if ur town and know that scumhunter Noraa is onto u if ur scum <.<)

imagine being scumread for being lazy

that might explain why it Always happens to me

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Or Nora's.

I'm not picking sides. I'm like the distraught

child

scum in the middle.

fixed

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Daddy, Ive been skimming all day but am still so behind! Play with me while I do some more ketchup.

i feel like i've been missing out on something

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mmmm so I'm not too sure what I'm thinking about this game atm however I have a few things I dont like so far

BM changes votes far too often. I think this is scummy bc scums will flip flop a shit ton since what's going thru their mind is gonna be something like : "hmm good limbait here. ooo better limbait here. oh maybe the first limbait was better etc etc"

Not too sure if that's correct but uh ... that's how I am when I'm scum so yeah.

Datisi I am 100% certain is very much capable of producing content yet I am not seeing much content. I think that may be a scumtell for him tho I have never played a game with him before so I couldn't say.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

Mena is .... meh. I'm not sure what alignment mena is but I wouldn't be surprised with either aorn.


everyone else is even more meh. talk more and maybe I'll try to solve u some more

yeah that caught my attention too

it's one thing to focus a lot on your scumread, but to actively nullbin the ENTIRE remaining playerlist without trying to sort there?

yuk
why are you null / scumlean on almost everyone, this is scumpingy
also, you're "not too sure" about bm but apparently have that slot as lockscum? can you explain this trajcteory

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mom it happened again!

*yeah that caught my attention too

it's one thing to focus a lot on your scumread, but to actively nullbin the ENTIRE remaining playerlist without trying to sort there?

yuk*

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*noraa

I scumread noraa because of 613 and bleh overall i do not really see attempts to solve, i see attempts to shade
I scumread golden because of the logical lapse on judging noraa + I got gutpings when bm started pushing them
ping on piisrational's catchup post as IIoA + artificial reads
I scumread bob a bit as well. i dont like how their vote is still on RVS vote + ISO is devoid of actual content tbh
I TR alonzo teacher BM? datisi?
two more pages to go

i didn't agree with some stuff you had, but i do like this. I don't have the scumread on bob, but share everything else.

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it's more nuanced than that - you're over-simplifying. Being liberal with TRs isn't necessarily scummy, but the way you do it can be interpretted as such. Does that make sense?

yes professor

ico trying to reverse pocket me lol. taking all my stances

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*EXTRA EXTRAAAA*

PLACE 1 VOTE ON GP, GET 1 TOWNREAD*-/+ FOR FREE

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not compatible with other offers

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exchangeable for 1 townread at any time that is not xylo

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non-refundeable

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townread may not last

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Datisi whats your take on golden slot

lets

gamesolve

drive this post count up

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i remember being vaguely townie on golden yesterday

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like Datisi actively wants to find logical inconsistencies by asking for people’s thoughts on things + has decent thought processes and reads upon looking at ISO

not that i don't agree with you, but this isn't a good measure for Datisi's AI

->finding logical inconsistencies is what you do as scum as well, because it's easy to push town who are inconsistent like that
->looking at iso's is... NAI? making conclusions after that is something most decent+ scum players do so from all the things happening, these aren't a good indicator imo

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also pointing out that one's capability to make coherent thoughts isn't town!indicative

have you not played in smuggler's?

dat shade on datisi wow: 'i don't know this player at all, but i'm SURE it produces content so it must be scum here'

i'm more wary about the fact that i *have* been producing content but

ico, why does the game benefit from noraa flip? what do we learn?

i vaguely remember KICKING YOUR ASS there yeah

because noraa right now is 1 of 2 things:

1) town who is incapable and apparently unwilling to try and establish a cooperation with others, completely tunneled in in a slot that (most? at least some) players are saying is town, and completely unsorting otherwise

2) scum

neither i wanna keep in the game, and i've called noraaaaa out to try and break the tunnel a bit, to give us something to work with

failing to do so… yeah. A good flip. On top of that there have been quite a few statements about the noraa v bm fight, so there *are* things to be learned upon a flip.

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there's also several other things that have surfaced about noraaaaaaaaaaaa that i'm increasingly disliking, much with it's most recent post.

illogical conclusions, confbiasing, etc

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I meant when I looked at their ISO?

also datisis vibe when finding logical inconsistencies is +town AI since town has to get rid of scum and scum often make inconsistencies

my point is that town are about equally prone to making inconsistencies to a certain degree

i mainly like the generation of content datisi is doing, which is another point on why noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is becoming increasingly scummy imo. Not producing content, i'm not solving etc.

All a bunch of strange conclusions.

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there's also several other things that have surfaced about noraaaaaaaaaaaa that i'm increasingly disliking, much with it's most recent post.

illogical conclusions, confbiasing, etc

ico I’ve been mulling about things
you and me are vibing with each others thoughts a lot
Datisi and menalque are vibing with each others thoughts a lot

idk what this means just putting this out

sshhht, let's talk about this in our pt

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i mean

it's called a town block

it's a good thing to have

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let us make an excercise

i have a bunch of townreads

that means it's… POE TIME!!

wooooo weeee aaaa

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In no specific order (copy pasta from mod post), and to varying degrees of townread, here are my townies for today:

NOT FLIPPING TODAY

Alonzo
Iconeum
iamausername
Datisi
teacher
Battle Mage
bob3141
shellyc
Menalque

WOULD FLIP TODAY

TheGoldenParadox/Noraa
piisirrational/Tayl0r Swift

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i mainly like the generation of content datisi is doing, which is another point on why noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is becoming increasingly scummy imo. Not producing content, i'm not solving etc.

why do you think town!Datisi implies scum!noraa though
aren’t they mutually exclusive, ik about the shade but idrt using Datisi to judge noraa is a Very Good Idea

do i think towntisi implies scumoraa? i don't think i said that?

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i think datisi is kinda town and noraa kinda scum independently from each other

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so i open ico's iso to find the golden posts, and first there were so many noraa posts lol

so from the stuff today (ico's 710-712) i'm not sure i get where the obvcum is showing? like it seems to go "goledn thought noraa was scummy at first" > "changed his mind to newbtown"?

like in 711, he wasn't keeping his vote on noraa (that he townleaned at the time), he was voting BM then voting shelly no? and in 712 you went "oh i did miss this" and then game a hmm and never spoke about it again

explain like i'm

a noob

5 because i don't think i get it?

pedit: why are there 10 billion pedits

GP isn't obvscum tho, there's other stuff in his opening posts that i scumread and the progression with noraa is also interesting to Judge upon a noraa flip

i pushed GP on what i saw as an inconsitency, but i was mistaken on that end. But that doesn't make up for his bad opening imo.

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why were there no 10 billion pedits when i make that post

why

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reading the entire! iso of piis, i don't actually wanna flip there

would love to have them actually be here, but what is in there is kinda good actually

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he was in my poe because i went 'who'

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daddy

am i doing this right?

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i don't specifically remember actually

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i still think it's scummy :p

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i have no problem switching to choochoo noraaa tho

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is it too soon to ask for a reads triangle?

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i have no problem switching to choochoo noraaa tho

careful there ico, your opportunism is showing

wanna talk about the shelly townread?

and i have a vague idea of where people are in the triangle but reads on some of the slots won't be well defined

also iso diving is effort

i can start making one in like idk an hour if you want

tOwNy opportunism

i'm pocketed by shellyc, what's there to ask about?

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is it too soon to ask for a reads triangle?

A what now?

you'll know it when you see it

[Iconeum]

i'm not gonna spoil it

it's a thing of beaty and nobody forgets their first, so stay tuned!

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fuck speeling amiright

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players with whom i have (relevant) experience with, sorted by stars

Alonzo
Tayl0r Swift
TheGoldenParadox*
Iconeum
iamausername**
Datisi***********
teacher****
Battle Mage***
piisirrational
bob3141****
shellyc
Noraa
Menalque*******

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i don't recall playing against bob, but i believe i've seen town!bob in action

what ya wanna know?

[Iconeum]

or you could ask him i suppose :p

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right now i'm scumreading ico decently hard; 712 was just "hmmm i did also miss this" without further acknowledgment, and then ico continued to scumread me until he was called out by datisi on that
i feel like ico's trying to push a wagon on me based on scant evidence and then 772 and the 778-780 progression is just a weird way of distancing himself from a wagon on me and considering pushing for a lynch on low hanging fruit
that being said, shelly is looking worse and worse to me and feels like they're basically blindly following and supporting ico so i'm still inclined to keep my vote where it is

looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on ico

i was scumreading you prior to that, so don't act surprised my scumread is still there?

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pushing low hanging fruit? me?

where?

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noraa is low hanging fruit

it's been one of the most talked about slots, and itself has been rather vocal throughout the game

noraa is NOT BY ANY MEANS lhf

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right, nulltown
i just saw him above null and sorted it as townlean

Serious thoughts on icon reading our PT and not responding to me in it especially after he specifically asked me to play in this game?

level-zero-thinking says kinda sus

for more elaborate thought ask me later

datisi is actually scum

with menal? maybe

even if i was in a pt, datisi would Always be protecting me here because they know

IT'S MY WEEKEND VLA

you just shaded me for my only pings being datisi and menal being scum together, and here you are saying the same thing. boo you.

that post wasn't very serious...

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you're telling me! back in my day, 20 pages would be plenty!

i totally agree

20 pages per player is plenty!

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shellyc (4) : Tayl0r Swift ; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox Exe-3

TL;DR me the case on shellyc?

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wait am i right in thinking that menal shaded me for my RVS vote on shelly and then proceeded to join me on the shelly wagon? hmm i guess maybe im missing something in the 14 pages i havent read yet

all you really need to know is we are lunching golden today - any q's?

fun fact: if i had a gun and i had to shoot someone to end the day right now, it's probably not GP

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hi daddy

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So I read it all and thank you for taking the time to put that post together @BM

But, I kind of hate when I get posts like this because I'm the type of newbie that will actually have more biased reads due to something like this cuz I tend to be more emotionally driven than logically driven.

Anyways besides tunneling u, I have done nothing game advancing here I realize. To put it nicely, I found the tunneling to be very discouraging and it ended up making me put this game on the back burner where I just checked in a hot five times a day and was done with it. I'm no SE but tunneling a newbie no matter where, is not a good idea imo. Sure u might get a scum one day if ur lucky but it's very discouraging for the newbie no matter alignment. I'll try to solve some more over the weekend bc this game has been pretty content heavy and messy. My brain's too fried to deal with it during the week.

you really need to get the idea that BM tunnelled you out of your head, because i'm pretty sure you haven't seen a tunnel yet

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Ik the weekends far away but I don't wanna do one this week so I might do it this week if I see some really good content but otherwise, its gonna be a while before my read goes out

scumping

feels more like you don't wanna have to work and fake reads

i feel like town!you should feel better about this game now that BM opened the door for you to do other things, because like you said, ur more emotional then logical (which is perfectly fine btw!)

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zzz about to crash but quick thoughts

looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on ico

why does town!shelly imply town!ico?

good question, and one that i spent a decent bit of time thinking about. i'll try to give a more logic based answer to this later, but i'm leaning towards ico and shelly being the same alignment just based off shelly's following of ico and ico's almost working with shelly. that being said, scum!ico might just be trying to pocket town!shelly, so it gives ico a handful of townpoints i'll need to see the shelly/ico interaction later today.
that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

as objectively as i can answer this, i don't agree

town!shellyc: i don't see how that points to town!me
and scum!shellyc: why does the slot put so much effort in sucking up to me if we are buddies to start with?

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that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

huh, my thoughts are pretty much opposite, i can see t/s (or maybe even t/t?) sooner than s/s (since kinda seems like a bold way for partners to interact?)

but also i'm scumreading shelly and townreading ico so maybe there's that

with this i agree

t/t or scum!shellyc actually pocketing me (which is still working lol)

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I think the opposite actually. I can see shelly pocketing ico or ico pocketing shelly here and I'm fairly certain they are not the same alignment. All this buddy buddy shit is not rubbing the right way for me

do you understand the concept of mafia where it's like kinda a big deal to also find solid townreads, and not just scumreads?

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okay, that's interesting. i didn't know that, but that makes the shelly/ico interaction super interesting.

you think scum!ico and scum!shellyc are pocketing each other?

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Hm I didn't notice that ico just said they'd be fine with killing off a useless townie over actually trying to get a scum day 1. That reads bad but I, unfortunately also understand where that's coming from. Better a day 1 mislim of town!Noraa then a day 4 mislim on me.
Ofc I don't agree with it tho since I'd much prefer a scum lim day 1 over a town lim

yeah i don't see how this is towny logic?

1) i didn't say you are useless
2) you think it's bad for me to say it, but also understand where i'm coming from? which is it?
3) scum lim day 1 is overrated

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then you should vote for GoldenParadox

Im not liking that slot and would be fine with a golden flip today

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

I will if we need the extra vote. Otherwise I currently still like my vote on BM

VOTE: noraa

and i've now absolutely had it with this

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reading the entire! iso of piis, i don't actually wanna flip there

would love to have them actually be here, but what is in there is kinda good actually

Talk about this, please. 220 felt kind of more theory than actual engagement and the slot is about to be a posting flake.

there's definitely theory, but also opinions and conclusions about slots
feels solvey

as for the flaking… rip

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Basically:-I don't like how Noraa is continuing arguing with Battle Mage while at the same time not getting reads on other players. He said that "we should also find the other mafia" but hasn't actually done this? Doesn't make sense at all. I'm definitely scumreading this slot at the monent.-I'm townleaning BM a bit because most of his posts are things I'd more likely see coming from town!BM than scum!BM. Just a gut feeling at the moment. Could change though.-I cannot read Datisi at all after looking at his posts. Null for now.-I don't like Menalque's exchange with Taylor where he questions Taylor why she is voting for someone who hasn't posted, and continues to push that despite Taylor making a very fair explanation. I'm scumleaning this slot at the moment.-While I think it's likely that Noraa and Menalque can be scum individually, I don't think that both are scum, simply because most of the playerbase hasn't posted much substantial content. Not casting a vote on either yet because I'd like to wait until most of the playerlist has interacted with the game before making a serious scumreading vote.

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Oh sure!

I think Alonzo is town. The reason is that while everyone was obsessing over BmvNoraa, he, instead of going with the flow and pushing a Noraa lim all the way thru, started sussing Bob. Ig this kinda has something to do with Bm but not too much so it should be fine. Theres a possibility that Alonzo wanted to divert attention from his scum partner, Bm. However Bm wasn't the one close to getting limmed so I dont think he would divert attention for a townie if he was scum. I think he just truly thought Bob benefitted from all this so he decided instead of dealing with this big mess, he would go sort some easier to sort people elsewhere since BmvNoraa was a hot mess.

why did you not have this read prior to being forced into outing reads?

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shelly/ico/bm seems absolutely like a viable scumteam to me.

that is literally our town block lol

I kinda like bussing as well. I have several completed games you can look at

pls no bus me

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everyone else is even more meh.

That interchange came before this ya? So why this?

yeah teacher sees it too

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that part of 220 comes off as not genuine according to the Voices of my Gut
it’s spitting out reads for the cameras

hmmmm i don't think so

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everyone else is even more meh.

That interchange came before this ya? So why this?

Alonzo has caught my attention since then. He seems townie enough so I did an iso on him and decided that he prolly is my strongest TR so far. Again, this is really sloppy. I'll try to do better once the weekend starts

This literally reads like you were forced to go look at a slot and fabricate a read there,

because you were asked to do so

.

Not because you are interested in solving

.

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i wanna believe that noraa is LHF

do i have a wrong interpretation of LHF or?????

how is noraa lhf?

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ico talk to me about golden, are you still scum reading them

not really

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hey hey

hold your horses i'm getting there lol

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I also get hardcore town vibes from iamauser tbh

townread on BM is cool, read on bob is vibing with my thoughts, and the golden voting and progression is very townie

agree with town!iamausername (if that even is his real username)

i don't scumread bob

golden - i'm more in the middle

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everyone else is even more meh.

That interchange came before this ya? So why this?

Alonzo has caught my attention since then. He seems townie enough so I did an iso on him and decided that he prolly is my strongest TR so far. Again, this is really sloppy. I'll try to do better once the weekend starts

This literally reads like you were forced to go look at a slot and fabricate a read there,

because you were asked to do so

.

Not because you are interested in solving

.

thoughts?

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I mean I like his progressions
ico who is in your PoE now if you think golden is nullish

i've given my poe yesterday, i don't really feel like making another one right now

i DO feel like starting a wagon on noraa

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noraa case in a nutshell:

-(counter?)tunneling on BM
-confbiasing, trying to make every post BM made into a scumtell
-not having other reads outside of BM
-not trying to have reads outside of BM
-after being forced into having a read, suddenly has a strong townread for reasons that previously had noraa 'all are null'
-increasingly bad posts in general

[Iconeum]

gg

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can everybody give like 2 people they want to elim today? would be good to get some hard data at this point.

donald trump and joe biden

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everyone pls

vote noraa

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i hav stronk hunch yes

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are you caught up?

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noraa case in a nutshell:

-(counter?)tunneling on BM
-confbiasing, trying to make every post BM made into a scumtell
-not having other reads outside of BM
-not trying to have reads outside of BM
-after being forced into having a read, suddenly has a strong townread for reasons that previously had noraa 'all are null'
-increasingly bad posts in general

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the entirety of the progression here reads like hot garbage, and if you then proceed to actually reading Alonzo's posts 'since then', I still don't see why alonzo is your top (and only?!) townread

Spoiler:

mmmm so I'm not too sure what I'm thinking about this game atm however I have a few things I dont like so far

BM changes votes far too often. I think this is scummy bc scums will flip flop a shit ton since what's going thru their mind is gonna be something like : "hmm good limbait here. ooo better limbait here. oh maybe the first limbait was better etc etc"

Not too sure if that's correct but uh ... that's how I am when I'm scum so yeah.

Datisi I am 100% certain is very much capable of producing content yet I am not seeing much content. I think that may be a scumtell for him tho I have never played a game with him before so I couldn't say.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

Mena is .... meh. I'm not sure what alignment mena is but I wouldn't be surprised with either aorn.

everyone else is even more meh. talk more and maybe I'll try to solve u some more

Nah im a us night owl too

You haven’t really piped up as I spammed my ketchups. I think you unvoted — was that being convinced or deciding it wasn’t happening?

both to some extent

Give me the hardest feeling you have this game, town or scum, that is totally independent of BM

what's this supposed to mean?

Oh sure!

I think Alonzo is town. The reason is that while everyone was obsessing over BmvNoraa, he, instead of going with the flow and pushing a Noraa lim all the way thru, started sussing Bob. Ig this kinda has something to do with Bm but not too much so it should be fine. Theres a possibility that Alonzo wanted to divert attention from his scum partner, Bm. However Bm wasn't the one close to getting limmed so I dont think he would divert attention for a townie if he was scum. I think he just truly thought Bob benefitted from all this so he decided instead of dealing with this big mess, he would go sort some easier to sort people elsewhere since BmvNoraa was a hot mess.

everyone else is even more meh.

That interchange came before this ya? So why this?

Alonzo has caught my attention since then. He seems townie enough so I did an iso on him and decided that he prolly is my strongest TR so far. Again, this is really sloppy. I'll try to do better once the weekend starts

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Noraa does a tunnel all game long on BM
Proceeds to have scumreads outside of that (see 613) that consist of meta on datisi that noraa does not have. It's literrally an assumption. And a scumread on GP because HE SWITCHED HIS VOTE FROM NORAA, TO NORAA'S TOP SCUMREAD

I will repeat. GP is scummy to noraa, because GP moved his vote away from noraa, onto noraa's SCUMREAD.

The alonzo townread. Just read the entire exchange with teacher as well. If that shit ain't faked, I don't know what is.

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I will repeat. GP is scummy to noraa, because GP moved his vote away from noraa, onto noraa's SCUMREAD.

I will repeat. GP is scummy to noraa, because GP moved his vote away from noraa, onto noraa's SCUMREAD.

I will repeat. GP is scummy to noraa, because GP moved his vote away from noraa, onto noraa's SCUMREAD.

I will repeat. GP is scummy to noraa, because GP moved his vote away from noraa, onto noraa's SCUMREAD.

I will repeat. GP is scummy to noraa, because GP moved his vote away from noraa, onto noraa's SCUMREAD.

How is this a towny reasoning?

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the 'fuck off im'a newb' play was fun the first 5 times, but every single post?

come on

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BM scum?

Nope, not me dude. I am the most vanilla of vanilla townie towns you ever did see.

I hate it when people claim a role in rvs. It gives people a townie first impression and I hate it. +100 scumpoints for u

Okay full disclosure I’m in a PT with icon and he’s acting kinda shady — for instance he/gypx have visited the PT 3 times since I last posted there and there was a thing early where I saw the view count go up without any post, and it was right after Icon and I were talking so I think he was still around and it was prob him looking not gypx

I also think his response to my memeing was kinda scummy for him

the more i reread nora, the more stuff pops up

am i the one confbiasing now? maybe

am i right? probably, at this point

-> noraa goes into full tunnel on BM, which all started with this 'omg RVS fake claim means ur scum'
Guess the number of times noraa adresses menalque's fake claim?

IT'S ZERO

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a couple of things i noticed while reading- 238 pinged me because "lol this sounds forced" is imo a very ~easy~ thing for scum to say about someone and it's not exactly ssomething you can defend (also it's like one of go-to's for scumtisi though i might be projecting here)- calling taylor fence-sitting for what i thought was the opposite of that- while calling teacher townlean after a post i thought was more fence-sitty than taylor's- saying we should think about noraavBM being tvt (275) but then noraa tunneling is anti-town no matter what, how does town have that level of confidence (344)- the play around you/mena claiming a PT felt a lot like rolefishing?- also the "wow ico utr there is scum pocketing him" when like? how many people have expressed a townread on you? (i'll take this back if i missed other townreads on you because it's possible i did but also this isn't a huge point so you know)

i don't really disagree with a lot of this

the 'super forced' part is meh, i think that town!me tends to excaggerate as well
other points are smt that i didn't see myself, but i get where ur coming from

especially the rolefishing and being generally pockety towards me

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oh daddy

give me some feedback on my noraa case

[Iconeum]

14 pages?

n o

p r o b l e m

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here's where i'm at in terms of reads at the moment:

Spoiler: without color

Menalque - townreading. well-thought-out pushes on shelly and looks like they're providing strong and genuine analysis throughout the game. looks like they're genuinely trying to be open minded but not to the point that it's wishy-washy; their analysis and interaction towards shelly looks genuine and seem town.

Datisi - townreading as well. several indicators that they are town; good questions to shelly, generally looks like they're trying to gamesolve, and their discussion with me on the shelly/ico felt legitimate and townmotivated on my end, and asking quite good questions with interactions with large amounts of the playerbase. datisi seems real here and i don't really see scum really trying to gamesolve and work to get information like this.

Noraa - townleaning. explained this throughout: see 1037, but essentially they ping me as newbie town.

bob3141 - townlean. bob's push on shelly looks legitimate, and generally bob is looking like their attempts to gamesolve are helpful and genuine. bob makes an extremely good point about shelly trying to change her reads to match the "gamestate", and i think they're pretty town for that. @bob do you plan to vote shelly in the near future?

iamausername - TL. 1028 pings me as a reasonable and helpful point to make and generally I think iamauser is being pretty helpful and gamesolvy. that being said, they townread Ico at the beginning for reading noraa as newbtown; now that ico's read has flipped, @iamausername what's your read on them at this point?

Tayl0r Swift - not sure. on one hand, their posts gutping me as... off? slightly weird and unnecessary. 998 made a good and concise point, and shelly who i think is scum is attacking them, so slight TL because i don't see shelly bussing this hard d1 but that will probably be reevaluated depending on how shelly flips.

teacher - also null; i want to see more from this slot because right now there's not a ton of content here.

bunno/piisirrational - null, haven't posted anything i could use to get a real read here.

Alonzo - extremely low effort so far, slight scumlean because they seem like they're trying to avoid attention and also not have a suspiciously low postcount

Iconeum - scumreading. i've elaborated on this in 799 and 1037. i also think that ico's pivot from me to noraa was quite. weird and pinged me as a fairly scummy thing to do.

Battle Mage - scumreading since near the start, and my read remains unchanged. bm seems confident in posting irrelevant and unhelpful fluff, and 385 does nothing to help with that, literally just twisting my words. the interaction you can see in 614. bm's pushes on me essentially boil down to "he won't let me defend him, and he uses emotive language, so he's scum"; the entire case on me that you've attempted to build is based on some really poor evidence and seems like it just exists to get an easy mislynch. not voting you because a bm flip isn't particularly helpful today (as your interactions are essentially focused on tunneling nora then me), and i'm scumreading shelly more.

shellyc - hard scumread, and my vote is on them. shelly has been tunneling, hypocritical of taylor for calling the nora/bm interaction tvt and then going back and doing the exact same thing, interacting poorly with reasonable questions from menalque, and generally feels like they've been backed into a corner and are desperately trying to lie and fake their way out of it. shelly's progressions scream fake, and generally their posts look like their intention isn't scumhunting; just posing.

Menalque - townreading. well-thought-out pushes on shelly and looks like they're providing strong and genuine analysis throughout the game. looks like they're genuinely trying to be open minded but not to the point that it's wishy-washy; their analysis and interaction towards shelly looks genuine and seem town.

Datisi - townreading as well. several indicators that they are town; good questions to shelly, generally looks like they're trying to gamesolve, and their discussion with me on the shelly/ico felt legitimate and townmotivated on my end, and asking quite good questions with interactions with large amounts of the playerbase. datisi seems real here and i don't really see scum really trying to gamesolve and work to get information like this.

Noraa - townleaning. explained this throughout: see 1037, but essentially they ping me as newbie town.

bob3141 - townlean. bob's push on shelly looks legitimate, and generally bob is looking like their attempts to gamesolve are helpful and genuine. bob makes an extremely good point about shelly trying to change her reads to match the "gamestate", and i think they're pretty town for that. @bob do you plan to vote shelly in the near future?

iamausername - TL. 1028 pings me as a reasonable and helpful point to make and generally I think iamauser is being pretty helpful and gamesolvy. that being said, they townread Ico at the beginning for reading noraa as newbtown; now that ico's read has flipped, @iamausername what's your read on them at this point?

Tayl0r Swift - not sure. on one hand, their posts gutping me as... off? slightly weird and unnecessary. 998 made a good and concise point, and shelly who i think is scum is attacking them, so slight TL because i don't see shelly bussing this hard d1 but that will probably be reevaluated depending on how shelly flips.

teacher - also null; i want to see more from this slot because right now there's not a ton of content here.

bunno/piisirrational - null, haven't posted anything i could use to get a real read here.

Alonzo - extremely low effort so far, slight scumlean because they seem like they're trying to avoid attention and also not have a suspiciously low postcount

Iconeum - scumreading. i've elaborated on this in 799 and 1037. i also think that ico's pivot from me to noraa was quite. weird and pinged me as a fairly scummy thing to do.

Battle Mage - scumreading since near the start, and my read remains unchanged. bm seems confident in posting irrelevant and unhelpful fluff, and 385 does nothing to help with that, literally just twisting my words. the interaction you can see in 614. bm's pushes on me essentially boil down to "he won't let me defend him, and he uses emotive language, so he's scum"; the entire case on me that you've attempted to build is based on some really poor evidence and seems like it just exists to get an easy mislynch. not voting you because a bm flip isn't particularly helpful today (as your interactions are essentially focused on tunneling nora then me), and i'm scumreading shelly more.

shellyc - hard scumread, and my vote is on them. shelly has been tunneling, hypocritical of taylor for calling the nora/bm interaction tvt and then going back and doing the exact same thing, interacting poorly with reasonable questions from menalque, and generally feels like they've been backed into a corner and are desperately trying to lie and fake their way out of it. shelly's progressions scream fake, and generally their posts look like their intention isn't scumhunting; just posing.

hard time believing much in this

noraa has been tunneling a LOT more then shellyc, and has had much worse read switches then anyone in this game - yet you townread noraa and scumread others

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I didn't know thatBut if he does that everytime, why scum read him like that? Especially if it's a fakeclaim?This...is weird?

oh gosh i don't know

maybe it's RVS?

lol

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Ico in page 32 isn't half bad. I'm still puzzled why you acted as if you did scum read mena/datisi?

was it all a pun? it seemed genuine to me. I didn't double check but I don't remember you instantly switching votes off mena after revealing it was all fake.

my annoyance was very very real

i wasn't actually scumreading anyone over it tho

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Read this post please.

Everything from Taylor screams:

-

uninterested in solving the game

- uninterested in solving slots alignment

- uninterested in eliminating mafia

-

uninterested in other people posts

(even going as far as saying noraa was overconfident when she would strumble on her own words way too often in the first pages)

- barely present

She's also someone everyone's been saying "yeah it's scummy" but very few people ever acting on those suspicious.

Do you think that it's a coincidence everyone dislikes the slot but no one is pushing it/people are always pressuring elsewhere?

Taylor is the definition of going under the radar, always try to give good excuses to everything (didn't vote because was afraid of lolhammering/ delayed posting because forgot bookmark BUT she was "frustated" that the game hadn't started).

Can we do Taylor?

I'm already voting her but I'll do it again for emphasis

VOTE: Taylor

It's literally a consensus SR, she barely has presence therefore isn't going to turn away the opinions on her slot likely, and is never getting nightkilled.

i bolded the parts that are very much true for noraa as well so… yeah

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Noraa have you done anything to tune those reads since we last spoke?

wait til the weekend for that pls

this is bullshit

it's Obvious you are reading the game, because you are responding to posts

you don't need to reread and iso people to form reads on them

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50 pages in and all you managed to squeeze out are scumreading on BM and me? And 1 townread?

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scumreading me because OMGUS, which you admitted too, as well

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Noraa/Shelly have troubling posts, but there is some good posts as well, fine for day 1.

quote me which posts you think are good from noraa please?

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My first town game finished. Go get meta if u want it. Newbie something ANCIENT ARTHROPODS

oof

ngl, townie ping from this scream-out

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like, so eager to prove that itself is actually town and a big 'FUCK YOU I WAS TOWN ALL ALLOONNNGGGG' to us

fucking love it :p

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skimming thru noraa' iso in the finished newbie game, noraa was very reluctant (especially first day) to give any kind of reads before reading and rereading and more reading.

okay

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UNVOTE:

what's next

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whats shellyc at ?

still L-2?

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VOTE: shellyc

L-1

let's have a claim

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UNVOTE:

im still a few pages behind and i do not like the idea of getting a claim or that vote.

weren't you voting shellyc?

if you were on the wagon, what was your intention in the first place?

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we've gona 56! pages without a major wagon, it's time

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ooooh taylor + shellyc?

hmmmm

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and ico seemed so townie

why do you think my vote specifically is bad on that wagon, and not someone else's?

because it's L-1?

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i'm smelling partner equity on a scumflip

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it's a common practice to ask for a claim upon L-1 you know

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no it's common practice to ask for a claim upon L-1

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but if the full extent of your disliking of my vote is literally

'omg ico asked for a claim on L-1, he shoulda waited for intent'

just lol

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I'd like a Shelly claim

OMG ROLEFISHING AAAA!!!!!

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Although now I have a slight paranoia that Ico-scum could have coached her into doing that.

imagine being good enough at mafia to coach people

that would be great ngl

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also to be fair, i asked Shelly to claim at L-2. Because I'm well aware that people get accidentally on purpose hammered from out of nowhere, all the f'ing time on this site.

not just by accident

lolhammers are real

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Although now I have a slight paranoia that Ico-scum could have coached her into doing that.

imagine being good enough at mafia to coach people

that would be great ngl

the last time i coached a scumpartner, they didn't survive the day!

fuck bussing right, just 'help' them instead

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if Shelly does flip scum, I would immediately look at Bunno tomorrow.

i feel ya

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it would also town up the taylor slot a lot

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but if the full extent of your disliking of my vote is literally

'omg ico asked for a claim on L-1, he shoulda waited for intent'

just lol

what prompted the vote now though?

recent town pings from noraa, which was quickly becoming a vanity vote from me anyway
no interest in fighting multiple people that i'm liking today over their read, so why not join them

it also helps advance the game, like i said, no major wagon is painfull

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it would also town up the taylor slot a lot

wouldnt a shelly scumflip make me look bad?

hmmm im really not sure where im at right now. ill have to reread and figure stuff out tomorrow.

shelly flip scum -> newcomer whatchamacallit pushing away from shelly onto you -> newcomer scum -> you town (attempted counterwagon)

is somewhat the logic behind that

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yes

you should claim

L-1 and intent

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why are there like 30 fucking pages and can someone give me a tl;dr

my tl;dr

noraa push isn't going anywhere and noraa gave a town tell in the end
your wagon has merit to it, and i'm kinda sheeping my townblock onto you, putting you on L1 and that scared taylor so much it instantly lost it's townread on me and gave me crap about asking for your claim

meanwhile you were put on intent by BM

meanwhile somewhere else, Bunno is trying it's best to establish a counterwagon on Taylor

alonzo is vanity voting BM

that's about it?

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VOTE: taylor

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VOTE: shellyc

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VOTE: shellyc

icoooo, i'm not trying to order you to vote shelly, i'm trying to talk to you

help me out here

have not much time but here

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noraa is actually probably town by screaming 'HERE IS MY TOWNGAME LOOK AT MEEEEEEE'

i don't like how taylor jumped ship for me putting shellyc at L-1

counterwagon taylor is interesting as well because there's a bunch of my townreads there, but also shellyc so ????

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other then shelly and GP - yeah

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which brings up a very interesting question

do you know which one?

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small brain - "are my reads wrong somewhere?"

big brain - "are these wagons s/s?"

pedit: @ico

both is correct and if both scum then -> wtf are scum doing

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Taylor is been around the thread since yesterday night

0 new reads and developments

bails out of shelly wagon on L-1

says that "doesn't know" what to do with me pushing her

datisi soft-defending taylor it's been a long time now if anyone didn't notice, when people were suspecting taylor before datisi was like "yeah but there's scummier slots"

If Taylor is mafia consider putting datisi in the pool of untrustworthy people.

shellyc having no new reads over the course of 1 irl day is troubling for you, but noraa having exactly 1 (one) read for the entire game is fine?

noraa only recently started scumreading me (pure omgus), and had a forced townread because teacher was pulling their arm

but you townread that?

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i mean

you should be scumreading half the playerlist here