Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[teacher]

I’m in another one of these games where a Hundo goes by like nothing?! Arrrrgh.
VOTE: mena
Still on page 1. Amuse me.

[teacher]

the voices of my gut tell me it's forced

The voices in my gut call me daddy.

[teacher]

Dammit!

[teacher]

Uno!

I feel like Im reading the princess bride.

[teacher]

I also think his response to my memeing was kinda scummy for him

?
This whole post is ?
But this line in particular is ?

[teacher]

BM scum?

Nope, not me dude. I am the most vanilla of vanilla townie towns you ever did see.

I hate it when people claim a role in rvs. It gives people a townie first impression and I hate it. +100 scumpoints for u

Doesnt this mean it doesnt give people a townie first impression? (And I agree, its poor play).

[teacher]

who are the two?

I suppose, with your join date, theres no way to convince you to get an avi?

[teacher]

My pure townie energy will shine thru not to worry :3

Have you played with Shelley before in any game? This energy thing seems to be a meme/common language, but I havent seen it outside of them.

[teacher]

Scr00 y00.....

With respect

Just lol at this sequence.

[teacher]

I didn't like the entrance but I'm not quite too sure why or how to describe why its wrong. Does anyone wish to explain precisely why BM's entrance was bad?

To quote the greatest of elephants: "It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates."

[teacher]

(I stole that line from her)

Stealing a line she used as scum to say you're not scum???? KK.

[teacher]

I'm not a fan of lying. It's unethical and goes against my religion.

Good note. Then can you (if you havent in the pages that follow this) explain your logic for hardclaiming VT?

[teacher]

BM is basically only focusing on me

Feels wrong -- especially just after posts where he is discussing the Princess opening with Dat.

[teacher]

tunneling Noraa.

Shelley/anyone with experience -- is this third person speaking typical?

[teacher]

You will learn a lot from watching me in this game I think.

Have you at this point started to lean Noraa town? If not, I cant get this statement. And you said you moved on, but still seem to be pouring energy into this conversation. This is a discordant note.

[teacher]

As of the page Im on, he has shitposted with Dat. Thats NAI, so Im null. As a general rule, Mena will get a D1 cautious townread til I get flips. Its just not worth the WIFOM for me.

[teacher]

You will learn a lot from watching me in this game I think.

Have you at this point started to lean Noraa town? If not, I cant get this statement. And you said you moved on, but still seem to be pouring energy into this conversation. This is a discordant note.

although I suspect she is slightly hampered by knowing who is scum

Yea, theres some kind of perspective in here Im missing.

[teacher]

the game is on like page 5 though. would you expect any actual content from him by now?

Odd reaction, given that BM also provided actual content related to you-mena as well as just Noraa.

[teacher]

You know the dragon dats

Do you agree that it’s +scum that he’s ignoring me in our PT despite reading it even under the threat of me outing the neighbourhood and pushing his flip

Dont you know the dragon doesnt weekend?

[teacher]

BM and noraa comments

And mena secures his D1 cautious townlean. Well done, sir.

[teacher]

buddied everyone else

In what way had BM buddied Mena as of this post???

[teacher]

both of you are overconfiden

??noraa is overconfident?? confused face.

[teacher]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

How does this comment yield this vote?

[teacher]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

How does this comment yield this vote?

Never mind this. Anyways, Im caught up.

BM/Noraa does look TvS to me, but Im not really sure what way. Like, I liked BM's side of the conversation a lot more from the logical perspective, but I dont see scum!Noraa keeping the negative framing conversating going as much she did. Maybe panicking -- Im going to have to do my own count to see how high it got and when. I am having the same ponging bakc and forth between sides that Mena did, so going to have faith in that meld for now.

I found Alonzo and Taylor's entries to be the pingiest. Alonzo with a naked vote and then absence, only to call TvT and foist a weak/obviously disprovable vote on Menalque (a slot that had been FoSed by enough to be a potential wagon). Taylor for the lack of an RVS, then perhaps TMI-shade, which she didnt even follow through on.

I spammed my ketchup, and apologize for that. Its just one of the rare times I will get to be on a desktop so got excited.

[teacher]

Daddy, Ive been skimming all day but am still so behind! Play with me while I do some more ketchup.

[teacher]

to stop the game stagnating.

In Alonzo's ISO, but this jumped out. In what way is this game remotely stagnating? Dont get me wrong, Im a fan of lurker lynches and down with the proposal, but dont understand this pitch for it.

[teacher]

Actually I got distracted by an email, and then course planning after posting that. Going to be a bit of a night.

[teacher]

I guess I found your 3rd person reference off putting, but Im liking your general attitude -- suits your training day persona.

Why the naked RVS vote. I kinda remembered your username so searched my history with you, and the one time we played it wasnt naked, so that tweaked me right in the early game.

What do you make of the meh meh meh? Im still conflicted but also not particularly interested in just recovering the same ground again and again.

[teacher]

Taylor-directed post

I dont really like this post and line of thought at someone who hasnt been here, I dont think? Like obviously she hasnt thought about her vote/whether or not it is still RVS/the wagon comp, ya? So why is the tone of this seemingly attacking rather than "so what do you make of that"?

[teacher]

And since i'm leaning toward Noraa being town on balance I think golden is likely town if i'm right on nora.

I see your explanation for this, and I agree on principle with the 4th vote logic. I just dont buy the part that has it depending on Noraa's alignment. Maybe its just personal history with the early lol-wagon, but I find the later lol-wagon votes to be townie, regardless of the target's alignment. Scum dont want that kind of attention.

[teacher]

Ugh, I just tried Dat's ISO, and just cant. Theres like too many in the moment conversations and Im not seeing a thread.

Mena/Dat, can you talk about your reads on each other? Like the friendship is blurring the tone for me maybe.

[teacher]

also, the progression from

This struck me as not that problematic of a progression/I think you took the third quote out of context?

[teacher]

iconeum when are you getting back to 340

not before fully reading the game

This is a town approach and response.

[teacher]

I found Alonzo and Taylor's entries to be the pingiest. Alonzo with a naked vote and then absence, only to call TvT and foist a weak/obviously disprovable vote on Menalque (a slot that had been FoSed by enough to be a potential wagon).

I actually kind of liked Alonzo’s whole progression there. Like, if you’re scum who’s bandwagoning onto me then you pick a reason that will stand up to some scrutiny. There weren’t enough votes for it to be part of an attempt to quickwagon me.

What’s the incentive for scum!alonzo to vote me for a reason he knows won’t hold up only to then back down off it immediately? If I knew him already, I’d say that’s probably a p good way of trying to pocket me, but I don’t. So provided he isn’t scum with like, datisi who told him that’s exactly the sort of thing I’d like, I find his initial answer very likely to be true (skimming, saw something that seemed incongruent, voted based on that, corrected when more information provided) and think it’s actually a p towny thought process

I guess I just am going to agree to disagree with you on disprovable stances. Like to me its a way to appear solvey/steer in a direction without necessarily antagonize the player precisely because you can back off. Its not so much the quick wagon as the odd entry vote and disappearance, then coming back later to express a scumread on a slot that has had some light FoSSing but do so in a way that does not also antagonize the player. That said, I kinda liked what Alonzo did after I made this post, and I didnt like what Taylor did not do, so.

VOTE: Taylor

[teacher]

Esp as it was a v believable claim based on the public setup information which implies that there are neighbourhoods/masonries/neighbouriser in the game

Im not used to you being this setup focused??

[teacher]

Also Im not sure how believable the claim was given how over the top you were being with it? Like an ellitell in hours on a weekend day for a player known not to weekend?

[teacher]

Teacher - null

I feel like this is odd for you (its actually the single thing giving me the most pause about you -- I saw it in my skim and was "bawhaaa?") Want to actually speak on it? (we probs are going to be ships passing this game due to the school blocking during the day, but I should have a somewhat lighter day tomorrow).

[teacher]

Pi is a slot that needs more attention too.

[teacher]

Go away for 20 hours — here’s your 13 pages to catch up on.

Come back: crickets.

[teacher]

Daddy, Ive been skimming all day but am still so behind! Play with me while I do some more ketchup.

i feel like i've been missing out on something

Daddy is the new yoink.

[teacher]

Daddy this debate is painful.

[teacher]

Why did I subject myself to that.

[teacher]

I feel like I’m the only US night owl in the game, and I feel like I don’t yet have a thread on the game — these may be related but I’m kinda spinning my wheels so far and it doesn’t feel great.

[teacher]

Yea, I teach Hs gov so had to do it for class tomorrow but wow.

[teacher]

TGP, you may have answered this from someone else (I think I saw it in my skin), but what’s your feel of the wagon on you and the gamestate?

[teacher]

Nah im a us night owl too

You haven’t really piped up as I spammed my ketchups. I think you unvoted — was that being convinced or deciding it wasn’t happening?

[teacher]

shellyc (4) : Tayl0r Swift ; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox Exe-3

I’ve seen and understood the GP case. I actually don’t think I’ve seen this one explained, at least in a way that stuck to me (like I didn’t even know it was a wagon). So who wants to point the way?

[teacher]

mena is like gut town*

I’m fine with that and have no interest in pushing there. I guess my issue is that it seemed the two of you were more fluffing each other than sorting. Like you’ve both townbinned each other for reasons that feel more friendship and personality knowledge than anything I can actually point to and say “yes!” - which is the somewhat high expectation I have for both of you

[teacher]

Nah im a us night owl too

You haven’t really piped up as I spammed my ketchups. I think you unvoted — was that being convinced or deciding it wasn’t happening?

both to some extent

Give me the hardest feeling you have this game, town or scum, that is totally independent of BM

[teacher]

iconeum when are you getting back to 340

not before fully reading the game

This is a town approach and response.

why is that towny?

Maybe it’s just proper play, but I feel like the scum!Ico instinct is to trash a meme claim because it’s both attention-grabbing and limiting future positioning. Town!Ico instead wants to see if it caused any significant game developments/reactions before pulling the plug on what actually might be a worthwhile test. I guess I just feel having the willingness to refuse multiple requests for a speedy response shows a desire to solve, rather than a willingness to please.

[teacher]

reading the entire! iso of piis, i don't actually wanna flip there

would love to have them actually be here, but what is in there is kinda good actually

Talk about this, please. 220 felt kind of more theory than actual engagement and the slot is about to be a posting flake.

[teacher]

Who knows what about Bob?

Anyone played against him before?

Ego player whose meta actually backs (most of) it up. I have some personality issues with how the ideas are expressed, but those ideas are pretty good with an analytical/vote/wagon focus.

[teacher]

Taylor-directed post

I dont really like this post and line of thought at someone who hasnt been here, I dont think? Like obviously she hasnt thought about her vote/whether or not it is still RVS/the wagon comp, ya? So why is the tone of this seemingly attacking rather than "so what do you make of that"?

Do you not feel like its a valid question for her when she does come back. Her vote is currently on the leading wagon. Which is just ahead of the wagon that grew shortly after the shelly wagon formed.

I think it’s a valid question, but not a valid framing. The most nested/snipped post read:

Do you still consider your vote on shelly to be a rvs vote?



Also what do you think of the fact that menal and datisi are both now on that wagon with you. As you raised something about how you didnt like how they townread each other yet were on opposite sides of the noraa v bm.

To me, this somehow gave the impression that Taylor was actively “considering” her vote and ignoring the wagon comp’s inconsistency — that she was willingly voteparking rather than simply being absent.

[teacher]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

Like why are you voting someone who (1) hasn’t posted yet (2) voting somewhere totally unproductive when there is actually already content that you’ve made a *very ostentatious show of reading through* and (3) suggesting this TvT when it’s not really coming across that way to me and that seems like a very odd take for several pages of early aggression between two slots based on very little

sorry, you dont get to bully me into joining your preferred wagon. you think it isnt TvT, i disagree. until *I* see something scummy, im not gonna place a serious vote. considering that more than half the playerlist hasnt really posted and the four who have posted have been in a shitfight, i think thats reasonable.

So is your stance that every post made so far is NAI

no i thought most people who had been actually contributing were +town.

also i forgot to bookmark this game. i forgot it started and was getting really frustrated that it hadnt started. catching up now

Ego search is your friend. Click view your posts on top. You’re welcome.

[teacher]

Give me a strong read, on anyone, that is not informed by how you view BM. What is it and why

[teacher]

would people prefer to run up a bunch of people asap, or to just no-lunch today? i'm getting frustrated we feel so far from a consensus.

???thisbis a super weird post 3 days???

[teacher]

Also interested who Taylor , Shelly and TGP think scum on their wagon might be.

not sure as i still have to catch up on 15 pages but theres only 2 votes on me. shelly always scumreads me so thats NAI, and teacher i feel like should be able to see that im town but ??. i havent read why they voted me

I didn’t like either your entry or your absence. It was more of a pressure thing.

[teacher]

VOTE: pi

[teacher]

everyone else is even more meh.

That interchange came before this ya? So why this?

[teacher]

Yea, but it shows if there are new posts in them. There are only like 5 queue threads so I can always find my current game(s) in the top 10/15 results, even back before I had my one at a time policy. You do you, but it was better for me than bookmarks.

[teacher]

Oh yay ffs it’s another 15 pages!

[teacher]

Yay! Mena talk to me — you responded on Dat but not to nullreading me. I feel like I get it now/it would be right with my own head, but not for when you posted it?

[teacher]

Oh yay ffs it’s another 15 pages!

just skip it and tell me where your head's at

Lol @crosspost.

My head is basically nowhere. I’ve come into the game when I could, but haven’t been able to interact really and just don’t have the thread of the game. I get the GP push but disagree, I don’t get the Shelley push, and I don’t have interest in the endless takes on BM/Noraa.

[teacher]

I guess I feel like I’m reading a 5000 page deconstructivist novel and the girth is obscuring how little is actually happening? I want to explore the yellow guys Taylor push.

The only think I’m pretty severely confident on is town Ico.

Pedit: it’s not that I think she’s town, it’s that I don’t see a reason she’s scum. There’s also things complicating my read there that I can’t discuss.

[teacher]

teacher - i’m getting the feeling he’s trying to fly under the radar - posts seem like they’re trying really hard to be inoffensive. and I’m also wary of his shade on me/mena reads/interactions

I’m sorry, who is flying under the radar???

This is like the second time for you jamming against someone you know’s meta. The dragon doesn’t weekend. I’m a limited time player. I give what time I have, but don’t have much. And you know that. I’ve been here and trying to play afte to put the kids down, but crickets. And I wouldn’t exactly say I was avoiding offending Alonzo or Pi. I just haven’t liked/followed/grokked the main threads so been poking where interested me, but those pokes have been buried under fluff mountain.

[teacher]

thirdly, you've played with bunno before at least once

When? Searching my topics says no.

[teacher]

1. what's your take on her fairly abruptly reversing her read on BM/noraa from TvS to TvT when it became apparent that that was the mood in the game/that people were beginning to come out in favour of that.

2. and also of her kind-of-reversal-but-kind-of-not read on me, where she jumped to "maybe mena is scum" the second I started suspecting her/pressuring her, which I think is an odd reaction to one of your TRs putting pressure on you (as opposed to "huh, I wonder why my TR is wrong on me/what they're misreading, I should try to find out and set that straight")

1. I’m still in the TVS camp here. But I guess I don’t get why Shelley is singled out for this? Like the temperature of the room was TVs. Then it evolved to tvt. So the entire room had to shift temperatures, ya? (This leads into ICo)

2. You did kind of go absentee. I was questioning my early lean too (but I always do).

I guess I can see the logic on both shifts.

[teacher]

Ah got it. I didn’t know churros was *****-San. That actually helps. I would not have seen this posting coming from them, but my meta with them is about mostly 2 years old.

[teacher]

I guess I feel like I’m reading a 5000 page deconstructivist novel and the girth is obscuring how little is actually happening? I want to explore the yellow guys Taylor push.

The only think I’m pretty severely confident on is town Ico.

Pedit: it’s not that I think she’s town, it’s that I don’t see a reason she’s scum. There’s also things complicating my read there that I can’t discuss.

yeah this game has gone long already, I know I'm somewhat to blame for that, I'm basically just ignoring any posts that before I can come to post unless I see them in ISOs

okay, so first things first -- from whence cometh the confidence in town!ico?

Yea I think that’s part of my issue with this game — my short cut is generally not isoing but rather searching teach* to iso how people are playing with me, and here nobody has been. I generally need something to pivot around and just hav vent found it, and so the whole board is in flux.

On Ico, it’s what Battlemage said — just an sound and logical intro that changed the temperature of the room. And the re-evaluation back to Noraa. It is consistent, logical, and generating actual content that is sticking with me.

[teacher]

2) dude, don't even

We good on this one. I wasn’t pushing, but I could understand a willingness to revisit your slot. As it seems you should from your “mysterious” thing with bunno

That’s basically it. Remind me who her wagon is?

[teacher]

Yea, I don’t think I’m going there for now.

Pedit: don’t go to the bathroom or you’ll be 4 posts later.

[teacher]

Menalque, talk Taylor and username to me?

[teacher]

Taylor I remember being pinged, then sated, but not really why for either. Username I remember having logical posts but they feel like they’re being oddly - almost intentionally - ignored?

[teacher]

double post

?

[teacher]

Ok, but why are people ignoring that/the slot/its arguments. Why are you still on Shelley than moving to be with obvtown (not that I know where they are). Why haven’t you called it out before. That’s just a real random aside to jump in on.

[teacher]

buddied everyone else

In what way had BM buddied Mena as of this post???

Noraa, I feel like you bounced this question off two nights ago by saying you were tired. Any interest in answering it now.

[teacher]

Ok, but why are people ignoring that/the slot/its arguments. Why are you still on Shelley than moving to be with obvtown (not that I know where they are). Why haven’t you called it out before. That’s just a real random aside to jump in on.

Yea, Taylor’s position on Shelley, while also vis a vis username and battlemage, is all kinds of odd. Like it was an RVS vote, but she’s staying with it (despite doubting Mena and Dat and not really casing/pushing Shelley so much as lolling at their past), even when there is no strong counter wagon/defense, and she townreads both members of the main alt wagon (on GP).

VOTE: taylor

[teacher]

Naked prod response -I crashed last night and am like 30 pages behind. In class now but will be on tonight and more available all weekend.

[teacher]

hmm ok, because we are 85 pages deep already, and I don't want loads more spam to obfuscate things, or to waste lots of time, I'm claiming:

I'm the Cop. I Investigated Taylor last night. Taylor is scum.

VOTE: Taylor Called it!

[teacher]

A guilty is a guilty. Have to say the Bunno kill makes sense with Taylor!scum too.

[teacher]

this, pre-claim, doesn't make me feel any worse about a teacher-taylor pairing btw

How bout now

[teacher]

So you’re pushing me as NKing BM, while saying scum never nk BM????

[teacher]

my vote will be back on teacher in time.

But youre going to need a brand new reason if BM is a vig kill, right? Because the whole of your earlier push was based on the BM kill.... Im waiting.

[teacher]

Now I know why TGP pushed me out of the gate. The lim should be between me and him today, purely by VCA. Look over the D1 wagons. Town!Shelley was the consistent leader throughout the day. TGP started as a counter, but then got replaced by Town!Taylor. Town!Taylor got replaced by me -- all the while TGP was somewhat consistently in the background. Either he is the scum wagon that couldnt gain momentum or I am. I have my role my PM, but the flow around 1.6 to 1.12 sells me pretty well too.

Spoiler: VCA

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Random fact : this day was finished 33 times faster than day 1

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piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (1) : Alonzo

shellyc

(4) :

Tayl0r Swift

; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Exe-3

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :

votecount 1.5

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(2) :

shellyc

; Teacher

TheGoldenParadox (3) : Iconeum ; iamausername ;

Battle Mage

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Noraa

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (1) : Alonzo

shellyc

(4) :

Tayl0r Swift

; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Exe-3

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :

votecount 1.4

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(1) :

shellyc

TheGoldenParadox (2) : Iconeum ; Noraa

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(0) :

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (2) : Alonzo ; iamausername

shellyc

(4) :

Tayl0r Swift

; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Exe-3

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (2) : Teacher ;

Battle Mage

Not Voting (0) :

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votecount 1.3

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(1) :

shellyc

TheGoldenParadox (1) : Iconeum

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Noraa

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (2) : Alonzo ; iamausername

shellyc

(1) :

Tayl0r Swift

Noraa (2) : Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Menalque (2) : Teacher ;

Battle Mage

Not Voting (1) : Menalque

votecount 1.2

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(0) :

TheGoldenParadox (0) :

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Noraa

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (1) : Alonzo

shellyc

(1) :

Tayl0r Swift

Noraa (4) : Datisi ;

Battle Mage

; TheGoldenParadox ;

shellyc

Exe-3

Menalque (1) Teacher

Not Voting (3) : Menalque ; Iconeum ; iamausername

votecount 1.1

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(1) : Alonzo

TheGoldenParadox (0) :

Iconeum (0) :

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(2) : Noraa ; Menalque

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (0) :

shellyc

(0) :

Noraa (2) :

Battle Mage

; Datisi

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (7) :

Tayl0r Swift

; TheGoldenParadox ; Iconeum ; iamausername ; teacher ;

piisirrational

;

shellyc

[teacher]

do you understand that this really isn't a strong case for others to vote teacher and you should maybe back off?

i'm not hating the case on teacher right now,

sorry, let me clarify that: a NK on BM makes no sense unless scum contains teacher (where it makes some sense) or contains both teacher and noraa (where it makes a lot of sense).

This evolution on my slot makes 0 sense based on the intervening. Essentially, GP was not down for the D1 wagon (buddies on it???), leaves himself open to hammer it, but IMMEDIATELY comes out hot to trot for me on D3. The supposed difference -- "NKA" Horse petootie.

• GP recognizes that BM kill is absurd for scum, but particularly already suspect scum!me ya? like in no world.
  
• GP doesnt even try to critically think all the way through the NKA -- he has to explain Bunno too.

[teacher]

I was seeing strong associatives between Mena and GP D1 that I chalked up to *reasons*, but those reasons seem less persuasive with a mailman flipped. But I dont think two scum hard oppose my wagon after a VT claim. I also think Mena knows my meta, which explains his hesitance. So Mena is town.

[teacher]

Teacher feels like a very random spontaneous wagon

Mena has been talking about "anyone but teacher", and says Taylor is sus, but never joins Taylor wagon.

Why is this game so messed up? It's not even about me compromissing anymore, Mena it's you that doesn't want to compromisse on Taylor at all.

If you/TGP which if I remember correctly sus Taylor do come with us on her wagon, we may have a shoot on getting someone other than teacher. I don't really feel any good reason for that random teacher wagon.

what are your reasons against the teacher case? you hadnt posted them at this point.

I read the case but felt like your reasons were very generic. I actually had a slightly good impression of teacher's posts. He was one of the few ones interested in Taylor in the beginning as well.

Maybe if Taylor is town I would be a bit more skeptical of him but for now I enjoy having his slot around.

just if you flip me I want town to look at my readslist. I think with this game state tmr can be a Taylor flip. red Taylor means green Bunno and probably red Datisi

if Taylor is also green I think 2-3 of scum are active and pretty strong to manipulate the gamestate

Bob looks decent for a partner. There were quite a lot of expressed scumreads of him in the mid-D1 area, but no wagon ever started. Expressions without voting. And when those expressions took place is the one time GP actually addresses the Bob slot at all, to provide a countervailing town read against the momentum forming there.

That said, I have to think about the other partner. For the D1 wagons to be this town, I think Shelley was right that there have to be 2-3 active scum. But I feel good about Mena and Ico, and the other actives are flipped town. Something is still off.

[teacher]

Eek -- sorry about the quotes, was reading EoD comments from confirmed town, and must have hit some Qs as a I scrolled.

[teacher]

Strong TR.

im fairly null on both

Wanna hit this up?

[teacher]

Lol, thats literally where my mind went for the 3rd. I dunno. Youve bled newb to me. I went about 82 rounds in my head on you v. BM, even as the thread did the same. For me its hard to separate the genuine tone of your posts -- screaming look at my town meta -- with the lack of any logical trajectory. Still, the outfront refusal to give trajectory rings emotionally true.

Basically, my soulread/meld in this game is Ico. Ive had you as hard town. Ive had you as scum. I wouldnt be surprised by any flip. But by wagon analysis, you arent worth spending the day on - you're not the lim. It should be me or TGP.

[teacher]

VC 1.11 also points to scum in (dat/username) for me.

[teacher]

Teach Ico
Mena Alonzo
Noraa
user Dat
Bob TGP

yea, I guess fencesitty is fair for that shotgun reads. I cant be stronger than that because I honestly havent liked your posts. I cant sell town you, but I dont see a scum motivation for what youre doing. Your null, or town by rand.

[teacher]

I dont doubt it. But I also havent really marinated on it ya? Ill get back to you on that one. The post that stuck out to me more from today was the vig idea, since it feels like solveyness and rings true to me. But I also could see a scum!motivation for you in particular to say it wasnt a scumshot.

[teacher]

And just based on odds of 4 wagons. 2 on confirmed town, one on nora that heavily looked liek noob town after me and others questioned her. One left alive , so i think the odds are prety good

yea, this is TGP's scumbuddy. He ignores the D1 TGP wagon entirely, despite reputation for long-scale wagon analysis. Votes with TGP on me early D3 to start momentum. Stays outside of game conversations. Is paired with TGP on most serious wagons but there is little to no direct discussion between the slots of the similar thinking.

[teacher]

Why would scum say it isnt a scum shot?

To avoid the nka that TGP did to say we are partners who fear killed BM.

[teacher]

VOTE: tgp

Let’s dance. (But only after school....). Good night.

[teacher]

my vote will be back on teacher in time.

But youre going to need a brand new reason if BM is a vig kill, right? Because the whole of your earlier push was based on the BM kill.... Im waiting.

[teacher]

nora's speculation could be correct

BM is not a vig kill, that's ridiculous

Flail mas por favor.

[teacher]

even if there is a guilty, you don't end the day then and there

First off, what made you think I didn’t know it was a hammer? Of course I did.

On the timing, Speed hammering a guilty is good, ya? Gives scum less time to come up with a plan to play around it/change their positioning now that plans have been disrupted/other PR fish/get the convicts thoughts for future days/etc. What’s the town benefit to playing out a day with an obvious lynch? What’s the scum benefit to grabbing a quickhammer on a slot that’s going to be limmed no matter what and still flip town? I strongly disagree with the “end the day then and there” as antitown on a theory level. With a promised red flip, it’s all gravy.

[teacher]

This is Marks wife. I am monitoring his email. I saw a request for him to post. Unfortunately, he was hospitalized earlier this week with Covid.