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In post 46, Battle Mage wrote:
I'm baffled. You think claiming vanilla town on Page 1 is gonna get me towncred? gimme a break man...In post 38, Noraa wrote:
I hate it when people claim a role in rvs. It gives people a townie first impression and I hate it. +100 scumpoints for uIn post 37, Battle Mage wrote:
Nope, not me dude. I am the most vanilla of vanilla townie towns you ever did see.In post 22, Menalque wrote:BM scum?
Take your scumpoints and stick em somewhere sensible.
No kit kat for you
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In post 49, Noraa wrote:meh if I can't prove it with my nonexistent town games, u can't prove anything with them either
nah u deserve the scumpoints. u seem pretty scummy
What motivation do you think battlemage would have to make such a claim so soon after the game started. I just can't see how it could be alignment indicative.
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In post 79, Battle Mage wrote:
I don't always get the chance to say this Bob, as I always die Night 1, but I love you, and respect you. You are probably the most under-rated town player on this whole website.In post 77, bob3141 wrote:In post 46, Battle Mage wrote:
I'm baffled. You think claiming vanilla town on Page 1 is gonna get me towncred? gimme a break man...In post 38, Noraa wrote:
I hate it when people claim a role in rvs. It gives people a townie first impression and I hate it. +100 scumpoints for uIn post 37, Battle Mage wrote:
Nope, not me dude. I am the most vanilla of vanilla townie towns you ever did see.In post 22, Menalque wrote:BM scum?
Take your scumpoints and stick em somewhere sensible.
No kit kat for you
Vannila townies only get vannilla ice cream
whats with everyone of late trying to jinx me.
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In post 85, Noraa wrote:
TSTBS and LAMIST is what I was trying to say he might be doingIn post 82, bob3141 wrote:In post 49, Noraa wrote:meh if I can't prove it with my nonexistent town games, u can't prove anything with them either
nah u deserve the scumpoints. u seem pretty scummy
What motivation do you think battlemage would have to make such a claim so soon after the game started. I just can't see how it could be alignment indicative.
Ok it might not be a great move and maybe slightly anti-town potential but scummy.
I get the latter one but what does the first acronym actualy mean. Ive have rough idea, im right in thinking its to do with bs- bob3141
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In post 92, Noraa wrote:
Dropping a vote without backing it up with reasons/evidence is definitely antitown behavior imo. It means ur not willing to even try to support it and convince others its right which makes me think u dont believe it urself. The only people that would be that sure who the scums are would be the scums themselves especially at this stage in the gameIn post 89, Datisi wrote:
but ok, if you didn't know the difference, what did you mean in 74 by calling my behaviour anti-town?
So what makes you think battlemage has to be scum due to him as you say. Making a vote based on little evidence.
Ok at this stage any votes bound are to be weak but what makes you think that it must be indication that he is scum. Rather than maybe for instance if you are town, simply another townie pushing a read.- bob3141
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In post 102, Battle Mage wrote:
are you talking about yourself in the third person and quoting your own posts to make it seem like you have friends backing you up, and you can get momentum behind a BM wagon?In post 98, Noraa wrote:
His entire play so far has been fluff and tunneling Noraa. There has been zero other contentIn post 96, Noraa wrote:BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.
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only ceaser is allowed to talk about themselves in the 3rd person. lol
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Battlemage im just not getting noraa stances. Both you and datisi are voting for her yet she is finding you scummy and datisi only null. I would have thought that if she would find you both scummy.
At first I thought her accusations of backerless votes were pointed at you. As that were most of her pushs have been directed. Over a simple vt claim only a few hours into the game. But i dont get why she would find datisi initially scum but then null.
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In post 130, Noraa wrote:All Datisi did was vote without giving a reason. Thats at most a little antitown/scummy. I dont see why I am expected to SR him after slightly Fosing him over that. Bm on the other hand I do find scummy. The tunneling is definitely not a good look imo. Whoever said that I should find both Datisi and BM scummy, I dont see why encouraging OMGUSing is a good thing...
So what do you think the motivation of battlemages vote on you then is. As you say datisi vote on you inst inherently scummy. So if you don't think any votes on you by themselves stands out as scummy. As you cant find datisi vote not scummy and battlemages scummy. Although you could find one player scummy and the other null.
So what makes you think battlemages reaction to you pushing him for as you say making an anti town reaction. Can't possibly come from town and so must be scum. Rather than as I said earlier just another townie in your view.
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So do you think menal is scum or not. Your earlier posts talk about a guy read on menal with later ones talking about how you think menal is fence sitting. If I'm reading post 431 correctly.In post 441, shellyc wrote:
HMMMMMMMMMIn post 435, Menalque wrote:VOTE: shelly
what if menal is scum
As menal does not appear to me to be fence-sitting in that post you quoted. It just looks like a fellow townie that has seen something that has two explanations and is trying to sort which is the more likely case.
So not exactly sure how you could go for gut town reading menal to entertaining the possibility of menal being scum.
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So your saying you're having trouble reconciling the two. So if you are town why do you think your gut is saying town, while your logic is saying menal must be scum.In post 459, shellyc wrote:
My gut thinks menalque is townIn post 456, bob3141 wrote:So do you think menal is scum or not. Your earlier posts talk about a guy read on menal with later ones talking about how you think menal is fence sitting. If I'm reading post 431 correctly.
As menal does not appear to me to be fence-sitting in that post you quoted. It just looks like a fellow townie that has seen something that has two explanations and is trying to sort which is the more likely case.
So not exactly sure how you could go for gut town reading menal to entertaining the possibility of menal being scum.
So do you still believe in your gut menal town read?
Logic believes menalque is scum
the classic dilemma
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In post 227, TheGoldenParadox wrote:In post 67, Noraa wrote:So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll seeIn post 166, Noraa wrote:I feel greatly bullied here btw
y'all tunnel hard
accuse me of using AtE if u wish. In a way it is asking u to stop tunneling this hard
to elaborate a bit on my read - nora right now is doing exactly to bm what they are accusing bm of doing to others. the hypocrisy is not lost. i don't see nora vs bm as TvT but right now I'm null on BM and scumreading nora, and i absolutely think this could be an SvS bussing episode.In post 181, Noraa wrote:
my point is that we also need to be keeping an eye out for the other scums. I, for one want a BM lim today since I am literally so certain those aggressive pushes dont come from town. But I think while we are doing this, we should be keeping an eye out for the other scums.In post 180, Menalque wrote:
Why is this a bad thing tho, we still get a scum for the trouble and we can worry about sorting the others later if this is TvSIn post 154, Noraa wrote:The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want.
i'm slightly confused as to why town would be this confident in a read that they have developed in the first few hours of the game? if you're THIS confident that BM is scum, then simply voting them and removing them (without "keeping an eye out" for the other scum) would give town a massive leg up. i'm looking at nora as potential scum, and i'm looking at BM as a potential scumpartner. piisirrational is looking pretty good to me right now, although i will acknowledge that i am biased towards analyzers/gamesolvers so i'm putting him as a null, maybe a slight townlean. although menalque is kinda annoying me with their posting frequency, i'm townleaning them because they seem at least a little bit genuine about trying to read the BM/Nora bandwagon. no one else has enough substance to be read right now.
to respond to #224 - no it didn't; most players haven't posted anything substantial yet.
I'm not really seeing the svs vibes between battlemage v nora. They both seem pretty adamant in their claimed belief that the other is scum. Now I feel it's not impossible but it does look pretty unlikely as the flow of conversation was quite quick. For the nora v BM to be some WIFOM to make us think that they couldn't possibly partnered with each other.- bob3141
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Im feeling a slight lean town lean on golden, as if golden was partnered with either of bm or noraa i just dont think he would come in and push the fresh idea that they are just scum getting in early bussing.
Especially after choosing to vote for the one with the largest wagon. Of the two players he has stated as being svs. And not only that but a fourth vote on the first wagon. An ice breaker often done by town.- bob3141
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dont know if this quote migth get messed up. Dont know why playesr cant split their posts with different quotes upIn post 531, Noraa wrote:In post 414, Datisi wrote:yay 8 pages
I dont like this slot either anymore. Seems like they benefit the most from the BmvNoraaIn post 529, Menalque wrote:okay here's where were at now
Mena - town
Datisi - townread
TGP - strong town lean
bob, alonzo - town lean
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BM - nulltown BUT if noraa is scum moves up to same level as TGP
Teacher - null
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pii - scumlean
noraa -- down here but I haven't actually reread her posts to try to deal with the question of newb!town or newb!scum, willing to listen to other takes on this, rn I'm happy to go with my initial impressions
Taylor - scum
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Noora do you still think BM is scum?
As you seem to imply that bm is town here by saying that menal benifited from the BmvNora. Do you think they are partneres as thats the only explanation I can think of why you would think menal would have benifited.- bob3141
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In post 193, Tayl0r Swift wrote:VOTE: shelly
i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.
Taylor how do you feel about your shelly vote now. Since you cast it before shelly even posted, so i'm assuming it was a rvs vote. But since then shelly has posted and a wagon has resulted with your vote being the first.
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Do you still consider your vote on shelly to be a rvs vote?
Also what do you think of the fact that menal and datisi are both now on that wagon with you. As you raised something about how you didnt like how they townread each other yet were on opposite sides of the noraa v bm.- bob3141
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Golden is a townlean because he isn't scum with Noraa? eh, I don't know man, needs a re-think. Noraa and me is either T v S, or T v T. In either case, scum benefit from pushing the S v S agenda to guarantee at least 1 mislynch, if not twoIn post 577, Battle Mage wrote:
Golden is a townlean because he isn't scum with Noraa? eh, I don't know man, needs a re-think. Noraa and me is either T v S, or T v T. In either case, scum benefit from pushing the S v S agenda to guarantee at least 1 mislynch, if not two.In post 496, bob3141 wrote:Im feeling a slight lean town lean on golden, as if golden was partnered with either of bm or noraa i just dont think he would come in and push the fresh idea that they are just scum getting in early bussing.
Especially after choosing to vote for the one with the largest wagon. Of the two players he has stated as being svs. And not only that but a fourth vote on the first wagon. An ice breaker often done by town.
I'm leaning towards it being tvt. My gut keeps telling me that noraa is just a fellow townie who has made a bad early push. Certainly the possibility that its tvs as noraas push was rather scummy. But the fact she didn't try and back track on her push on you. Even when she was asked why she thought it was scummy rather than just anti-town. She continued to push a set of reads on you that ultimately stemmed from that flawed premises.- bob3141
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So if i'm right on norra. Then based on the fact that golden jumped on norra with a brief initial post, pushing noraa up to e-3. Although shortly later he did elaborate.
This is something I find is done more by town than scum. Although if i'm wrong on nora being a fellow townie. Then that does undermine that aspect of the read. As simply I've only seen one scum wagon reach 4 in rvs and the 4th vote was that player's partner.- bob3141
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It's a town lean based on the fact I don't feel that scum would jump on nora if she was in town that way at that point of the wagon. It was the first wagon to form and was pretty much still within rvs. Even if it wasn't even based on rvs votes.In post 637, Datisi wrote:
er, not sure i get the first part? like why is golden being town for jumping on noraa wagon dependant on noraa being town?In post 628, bob3141 wrote:So if i'm right on norra. Then based on the fact that golden jumped on norra with a brief initial post, pushing noraa up to e-3. Although shortly later he did elaborate.
This is something I find is done more by town than scum. Although if i'm wrong on nora being a fellow townie. Then that does undermine that aspect of the read. As simply I've only seen one scum wagon reach 4 in rvs and the 4th vote was that player's partner.
pedit: lol battle mage, never had VTs memeclaim roles only to then have actual PRs counterclaim them? you're missing out man
And more often than not that first wagon is in fact all town with it being on town more often than scum.
Don't think i have ever seen scum jump onto that 4th spot. Especially not with their first vote that also inst a rvs Vote. As Well as being their first post in the game.
However, when that first wagon is scum I don't seem to hold back as much. Only seen one scum wagon in rvs and that was bussed quickly in that fourth spot. So dont know how true it holds for scum wagons.
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you have. it was in awful 21p large that went on for ever. You got lynched day 2 after we pushed each other. So you got spared teh 6 day nights. The 2 days for a flip.
We ended up losing as the rest of town decided to lynch obvous town over obvous scum. Though flav woudl have still won as every one beleived his doc claim due to teh machos- bob3141
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In post 649, Alonzo wrote:Bob what's your read on Alonzo?
Alonzo at the moment your still largely null to me as ive not seen much from you.
The vast majority of your posts have been directed at noraa. A player you have claimed to have had a town read. Which is read i agree with. Although I disagree with your stance on bm as it just feels like town bm. As it just feels like he is feeling confident after having all his reads in his last few town games be bang on.
Apart from that you all you seem to have done is say you think menal scummy but not why. Be a bit toxic to golden. Where you called him noob so im assuming you think he is town.- bob3141
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In post 682, teacher wrote:
I see your explanation for this, and I agree on principle with the 4th vote logic. I just dont buy the part that has it depending on Noraa's alignment. Maybe its just personal history with the early lol-wagon, but I find the later lol-wagon votes to be townie, regardless of the target's alignment. Scum dont want that kind of attention.In post 648, bob3141 wrote:And since i'm leaning toward Noraa being town on balance I think golden is likely town if i'm right on nora.
A town wagon and scum wagon behave differently in my experience. Although i have low data points for scum lolwagons. As the only one I have is from mini normal a while back. Where scum jumped on their buddy after it had picked up its 3rd vote. With it then getting a 5th from town.
So if i was wrong noraa in that respect of the read, golden being the 4th vote wouldn't be ai.
I just don't see scum jumping onto noraa pushing a read that required at that point both to be scum. With his first post at that. Rather than pushing that there must be at least one scum in the two of them. With him pushing noraa yes but also being open to bm being scum.
As his reasoning for them being svs was itself flawed. As I can't see any signs that noraa v bm is svs. With me feeling it's more likely tvt.- bob3141
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In post 681, teacher wrote:
I dont really like this post and line of thought at someone who hasnt been here, I dont think? Like obviously she hasnt thought about her vote/whether or not it is still RVS/the wagon comp, ya? So why is the tone of this seemingly attacking rather than "so what do you make of that"?In post 569, bob3141 wrote:Taylor-directed post
Do you not feel like its a valid question for her when she does come back. Her vote is currently on the leading wagon. Which is just ahead of the wagon that grew shortly after the shelly wagon formed.- bob3141
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I don't quite see what you mean by opportunistic wagon hopping. Golden comes in with a read that he thinks noraa vs bm is actually svs. So at the point of the nora vote he claims to have scum read on both. And then later he says that he sees Nora as newb town. When he moves his vote to the other player he player he scum read at that point.In post 696, shellyc wrote:
golden with this opportunistic wagon hoppingIn post 532, TheGoldenParadox wrote:uhh yeah this post scumpings hard wth
this is basically textbook manipulation VOTE: shelly
im not getting limmed today, you are
And his 3rd vote to you. Do you see all the votes as opportunistic or just the one on you. As that's the vote with least progression before it aswell as the one you quoted.
What i dont get is why the first thing you would think of is that he is being opportunistic. Maybe if it had pushed to l-1 or giving intent on that small post. But l-3 does feel like bit of exaggeration when its only pushed you to l-3. A point its sat at for the last day.
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In post 833, Battle Mage wrote:
you wanna join me on Golden today, and you pick the flip tomorrow?In post 830, bob3141 wrote:
I don't quite see what you mean by opportunistic wagon hopping. Golden comes in with a read that he thinks noraa vs bm is actually svs. So at the point of the nora vote he claims to have scum read on both. And then later he says that he sees Nora as newb town. When he moves his vote to the other player he player he scum read at that point.In post 696, shellyc wrote:
golden with this opportunistic wagon hoppingIn post 532, TheGoldenParadox wrote:uhh yeah this post scumpings hard wth
this is basically textbook manipulation VOTE: shelly
im not getting limmed today, you are
And his 3rd vote to you. Do you see all the votes as opportunistic or just the one on you. As that's the vote with least progression before it aswell as the one you quoted.
What i dont get is why the first thing you would think of is that he is being opportunistic. Maybe if it had pushed to l-1 or giving intent on that small post. But l-3 does feel like bit of exaggeration when its only pushed you to l-3. A point its sat at for the last day.
Forgetting that you claiming that you beleive the nature of his vot was opportunistic. what do you think of his read on you?
My gut keeps telling me that he is town. He does feel opportunistic as he keeps jumping into the most high profile points of a wagon. With the only higher bits being l-1 and hammer
He came in without rvs and rushed into with a 4th slot vote that pushed noraa to l-3. Although little reasoning behind it at the time with 30 mins he had elaborated on his reasoning. I don't get if he was scum why there would be such a delay. Surely if he was scum he would have made them together. As it's not like he was near the prod time. If he was scum and he needed time to come up with a reason for his read. Wouldn't he have just posted the vote 30 mins later instead. Feels to me like hasty town.- bob3141
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In post 221, piisirrational wrote:If you want a TL;DR of the above, it's basically:
Townleans: Battle Mage
Scumleans: Noraa, Menalque
Nulls: Everyone else
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I'm not getting the same feeling that they are the same alignment. As they have had alot of interaction for it to be svs. And at the moment I'm leaning towards shelly being scum.In post 875, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
good question, and one that i spent a decent bit of time thinking about. i'll try to give a more logic based answer to this later, but i'm leaning towards ico and shelly being the same alignment just based off shelly's following of ico and ico's almost working with shelly. that being said, scum!ico might just be trying to pocket town!shelly, so it gives ico a handful of townpoints i'll need to see the shelly/ico interaction later today.In post 873, Datisi wrote:zzz about to crash but quick thoughts
why does town!shelly imply town!ico?In post 799, TheGoldenParadox wrote:looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on ico
that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?
Whenever I look at the progression of the vote counts. I see the rvs wagon break up. And a wagon form on shelly. Yet pretty quickly we start seeing a new wagon at taht point. We have the one that formed on you
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With a smaller taylor wagon started by shelly. Yet the shelly wagon has remained stalled. Normally a town player being wagoned would have taken of by now and not formed smaller counter wagons
And of the shelly wagon the only player that i feel is still null is taylor. Menal and datisi are coming across like their prior town games I've had with them. And I just can't see your entry to the game being sucm indicative.
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In post 928, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
i mean fair i guess. its interesting that alonzo wants us to assume that there is scum on our wagon. not sure if thats scummy, it just kinda struck me as an odd way of phrasing the question. kinda makes me feel like hes scum trying to make us suspect people on our wagons who he knows are town. but i dont really have concrete reasons to think alonzo is scum, so thats prolly just me being overly tinfoily.In post 922, teacher wrote:
I didn’t like either your entry or your absence. It was more of a pressure thing.In post 897, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
not sure as i still have to catch up on 15 pages but theres only 2 votes on me. shelly always scumreads me so thats NAI, and teacher i feel like should be able to see that im town but ??. i havent read why they voted meIn post 896, Alonzo wrote:Also interested who Taylor , Shelly and TGP think scum on their wagon might be.
Seen that a few times before although sometimes it is just a townie doing it. A few games back we had an all town wagon on scum. And scum pushed that there must be scum on it. While those players were being scum read by a few. If i remember correctly we ended up mislynching another play over the scum.
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In post 1048, shellyc wrote:In post 1039, Menalque wrote:second request that you respond to this @shellyme changing reads to fit the situationis my general town play really
as town I have much lower confidence in myself
also, to the points that made me reconsider, things like the reaction to ico outing the fake was kinda artificial? the push on me for essentially swimming with the tide isn’t exactly town pinging either
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going to take quick reread through taylor and shelly after i finish bing watching season 2 of ghosts on iplayer. But im heavily leaning shelly. Especially after shelly admitted to changing her reads to situation and not because she changed her mind . While trying to pass it off as a sign she town. When such an action is very scum indicative.In post 1060, Menalque wrote:bob are you already voting shelly?
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In post 1063, shellyc wrote:
not my situationIn post 1058, bob3141 wrote:shelly can you explain the bold. Are you saying you changed your reads to suit your situation. As that doesnt sound like towny thing to do.
the overall game state
See that's not much difference. That is very much something scum does.
A townie might change their mind but not because of gamestate. Now the gamestate might trigger them to reevaluate. But that change isn't to suit the situation. It is just a change and often does not suit the situation. At all.- bob3141
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Re-evaluation isn't but you said to suit the situation. So you said that you reevaluated your reads so they suited the situation. And here you're retconning the word from situation to gamestate.In post 1074, shellyc wrote:situation = game-state
game-state changing = re-evaluation
why is re-evaluation scummy though
Which makes me feel your reads are not genuine and that you're shifting them to be in line with the gamestate. And not because you genuinely town read them or scum read them changed your mind on a read. Which is a type of gamestate manipulation.- bob3141
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Reading through her posts at times it's certainly been hard to nail down actually what her reads are. As she seemed to flip between scum reading noora, considering that she might be town after all, fully scum reading her, finding her town and then now back to scum. With norra benign on her will lynch list.In post 1088, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
@shelly skimming through your completed towngames (notably, newbie 2025), as well as Newbie 2019 (a scumgame), it seems like you create fluff and posture more when you're scum than when you're town; your play this game is pinging me a lot more like the latter than the former. i'll do a more thorough metadive later, but you're looking scummier the more i meta you, so i don't think your meta is saving you here.In post 1050, shellyc wrote:
you say the wagon is moving slowly, when much of the plist are scum reading me for apparently reasons that im swimming with the tide when ANYONE THAT PAYS ATTENTION TO MY META AT ALL can realise that this is my towngameIn post 1045, Menalque wrote:I still think pretty strongly that shelly is scum and think it is important that we start coalescing around a flip there
you attacked taylor for fence sitting and calling bm/nora tvt for a really long while until you realized it wasn't in your best interest to do so until essentially flip-flopping to 943 where you do exactly what you've been calling outIn post 1055, shellyc wrote:
wifom. does. not. fucking. existIn post 1037, TheGoldenParadox wrote:basically all of shelly's posts on page 38 scumping me hard. i have absolutely no idea what she's trying to accomplish here but it seems a lot like she's spinning in circles and not going anywhere. the entire taylor push is weird, 943 is unhelpful and unproductive, and just generally shelly is pinging me as scum who wants to create a townbloc and sell herself as town, either by pocketing actual town or working with other scum to wifom us. i'm happy with my vote on shelly, and i think shelly is a good d1 lynch here because they have quite a few interactions with almost everyone here.
can you elaborate on spinning in circles, where do you expect me to go
why do you think Taylor push is weird
do you think creating town blocks are AI?
you’re filling up spaces with words to try and miselim me
sure flip me for info but remember scum are probably on-wagon now as im pretty miselimable as town
creating townblocs is generally helpful for town, but it's more helpful for scum if those townblocs are forced, which this looks like to me. moreover, scum infiltrating a townbloc is much better for scum than the townbloc is for town, so i'm inclined to agree with menalque here.In post 1057, Menalque wrote:
not to steal from TGP the chance to respond but: yes. trying to create townblocs is scum indicativeIn post 1055, shellyc wrote:do you think creating town blocks are AI?
menal and bob have made some really good points above this@icothey're explaining the general case on shelly pretty well i know you wanted to see that
That post must be what shelly must have been trying to spin as town meta. Where she changed her read to suit the current gamestate. But also noticed that she floated the idea of nora v bm being tvt. Back before pushing taylor for saying she thought it was tvt in post 275 and scum reading her for it.
And then full comes down on it being tvt in posts you referenced. Something that she scum read taylor for. If she was town and had re-evaluated on norra vs BM. I would have thought she would have also re-evaluated her read on taylor at that point. As if shelly was town wouldn't she have had considered that taylor was just doing the same as her. And feel the need re-evaluated all her reads and not just liek appears the ones that suited her.
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Its not a trust tell as if im wrong on him and he is scum. Then he did lie about his alignment after allIn post 1132, TheGoldenParadox wrote:how does this not break trust tell rules? what do you do when someone asks you if you're scum and you are?
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But what do you think of the alignment of those 3 players though? And why?In post 896, Alonzo wrote:Also interested who Taylor , Shelly and TGP think scum on their wagon might be.
As you seem to be asking them a very leading question.
I assume you read Taylor as scum as in your reads you have TS 1230 displayed at the bottom of a tier read list. Yet in the same post you have said you're deferring your read of taylor and shelly alignment to the crowd.
Although nowhere other than that can i see any clear read in your iso on taylor. A few comments here but nothing related to a read and a reason.
And in your read list i can't see shelly or tgp. With the only thing on tgp being in posts 1100. When searching tgp in your iso. All I see is you saying you don't disagree much about goldens read list. And a poor attempt at humor that feels like shade towards me. Because you didn't get an immediate post from someone asleep.- bob3141
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What is with everyone of late rushing day one. I come back from work Friday gone.After having nearly no time to look at the thread since wednesday. And see that Shelley was quick lynched.
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In post 2106, Battle Mage wrote:dude we had 85 pages lol i wouldnt call it a rushed day, although the end was rushed yes.
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With BM being vague it realy is hard to say. If you are town as i beleived yesterday. Then either he is scum thats making a claim he can row back from. And claim oops. Or just be a fellow towny messing up.
Forgoten how many games i had to follow the rule lynch all liars. One game it caused us to lynch 2 town. Each one claimed a guility on the other. Other game scum used insider info to fake a guilty, got the player lynched and were able to row back out fo it. By claiming a gating.- bob3141
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In post 2124, Battle Mage wrote:
I'm not going to row back. If Taylor flips town, you can elim me. If there is some shenanigans like a bus driver or whatever, then so be it. It seems unlikely to me, and if we get screwed like that, I'll eat it up.In post 2121, bob3141 wrote:With BM being vague it realy is hard to say. If you are town as i beleived yesterday. Then either he is scum thats making a claim he can row back from. And claim oops. Or just be a fellow towny messing up.
Forgoten how many games i had to follow the rule lynch all liars. One game it caused us to lynch 2 town. Each one claimed a guility on the other. Other game scum used insider info to fake a guilty, got the player lynched and were able to row back out fo it. By claiming a gating.
i dont understand much of the lingo in your last bit, but defer to your brilliance. Lim all liars doesn't really work for me though - I gambit all the time.
I also don't think Taylor flipping scum confirms me as town, as I'm quite capable of bussing her in that spot too.
Yep i just cant see scum faking a guility this soon into the game. Just hope its not a repeat of that game. We ended up losing as we lost 2 mislynches for 1
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In post 2174, Alonzo wrote:I don't think it was ever as clear as scum! TS = town BM, but that vig theory makes a bit of sense
I was of the opinion he was a clear town. Would have fought tooth and nail to stop a BM lynch. No way does scum ever fake guilty like that on day 2. But more likely town, like what happened in that 21p. Where one town guilitied the other.
Plus I thought it was pretty obvious he was the mailman. Why did I ask him if he was gambiting and simply stretching what info he had.
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In post 2181, iamausername wrote:
why did you vote shelly if you didn't want her to be executed, bobIn post 2105, bob3141 wrote:What is with everyone of late rushing day one. I come back from work Friday gone.After having nearly no time to look at the thread since wednesday. And see that Shelley was quick lynched.
Are you trying to twist my words?
I saw the slot as scum so i voted. At that time i very much wanted pressure. Pressure a scummy slot and see what wagononics happen. If shelly was scum a true counter wagon would have formed on taylor. If shelly got up to l-1 and claimed pr highly likely scum. As a pr claim wouldnt have matched her ate. A vt town claim would match and make her far more likely town.
In between me being last on and her quick lynch she claims VT. A claim scum never makes in that situation. But everyone thought it would be best to have big shouting match and lynch shelly before everyone had checked in. Instead alonzo hammers.- bob3141
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In post 2163, TheGoldenParadox wrote:VOTE: teacher
here's where I'm at right now.
a NK on BM makes absolutely no sense. he was a guaranteed mislim d3. so the only a NK on him would have been reasonable is if BM's reads were so accurate that him espousing them and providing greater clarity on them d3 was not worth the mislim. bm clearly espoused his read on teacher, but had enough fluff and jumps onto noraa and such that teacher might have avoided suspicion by killing bm as opposed to letting him speak today. that hammer SCREAMED opportunistic scum looking to end the day by stifling discussion.
scum is {teacher, noraa, ??} i'm confident in teacher!scum, and you should be too.
Certainly makes sense with how quick shelly got pushed over the edge day one. If teacher was town we would have prob got tied wagons. And not a shelly quick lynch.
Just wish my time had been taken up moving furniture ready for some work in the lounge so i only had time for one post and to catch up a few pages. and not teh countless pages had built up.
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In post 2359, Iconeum wrote:assuming there is a vig tho, without a single shred of credible evidence, is laughable
if you truly have to believe there is a vig just because a NK doesn't make a ton of sense TO YOU, it's just bad
had a agem once where the vig kept killing the town prs
n1 he shot backup gunsmith. so did scum
n2 he shot teh gunsmith so did scum
n3 he shot obvous town skitter. wasnt till then we had 2 nks
Shame bm got nk by scum as i have feelign he could have been confirmed day 3. with that role combo he had. No way would a scum wouldplayer have had a Miscellaneous and Role Investigation role combo.- bob3141
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Guess i might as well claim now. never been a patient one.
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n1 alonzo no action
n2 battlemage Miscellaneous Role Investigation
thought that alonzo hammer was suspect. Ended teh day way to early and without any intent. Instead he just lolhammered.
Visited bm to be sure that i was right on him being town. As my gut was telling me when taylor flipped green that it was going to be repeat of a50v cliff. Which ended up with 2 consecutive town lynches. If bm was town he would prob show up either no action (if scum) or if i was rigth on him Misc or misc pus something.- bob3141
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i dont crumb. im awful at it.
Every time ive crumbed before they got spotted by scum day one. So i only crumb if i have hard result. e.g. i was backup blocker once. and i only crumbed once i spotted the nk had been blocked. so hard pushed for any roleblocker claim to be believed. As worse case if i died, then teh rolestopper would have anotehher action anyway
second from last time i crumbed the only players that spotted it was scum. next day i got run up by the entire scum team and flash lynched.
the last time the only player to spoted it was scum and i was nk.
Every time before was similar story
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