Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Noraa]

hewwoooo
VOTE: Battle mage for being one of the only two that haven't confirmed yet and caused me to have to wait this long >:(

[Noraa]

Found 2 scums 1 more to goooo ^^

[Noraa]

how dare u take my page top >:(

[Noraa]

Yes! >:(
Noraa reserved it lots of time ago. U can check my pms with the mod. I definitely reserved it :3

[Noraa]

VOTE: Menalque for stealing my beautiful awesome page top >:(

[Noraa]

its ok rvs doesn't like u either

[Noraa]

I can only assume that datisi’s lack of enthusiasm, as proven FACTUALLY by her not getting first post, is a result of her being scum, probably with iconeum

2 down 1 to go

not so fast. "2 down 1 to go"? are you slipping that you know there are 3 scum in this game? the only logical explanation for this is that you are scum yourself and therefore this is a shitpush

checkmate

this is particularly weak, and i'm not overwhelmingly impressed with the jokey, overly flamboyant openings from Menalque and Datisi. Odds of both being scum, slim. Odds of 1 being scum, pretty good based on past experience. VOTE: Datisi

Who wants to leave RVS early? Show of hands

After your little opening exchange with Datisi, I'm about ready to leave the game early. If only I hadn't claimed already...

I agree that its likely one is scum. The claiming early thing reads bad on ur part unless its a joke

[Noraa]

BM scum?

Nope, not me dude. I am the most vanilla of vanilla townie towns you ever did see.

I hate it when people claim a role in rvs. It gives people a townie first impression and I hate it. +100 scumpoints for u

[Noraa]

idc if its a joke. its not a joke you should be making

[Noraa]

Found 2 scums 1 more to goooo ^^

who are the two?

it was a joke calm ur butt

[Noraa]

Yes! >:(
Noraa reserved it lots of time ago. U can check my pms with the mod. I definitely reserved it :3

VOTE: Menalque for stealing my beautiful awesome page top >:(

show me where you've been this cutesy before as town

I have zero finished town games so sucks for u

[Noraa]

meh if I can't prove it with my nonexistent town games, u can't prove anything with them either

nah u deserve the scumpoints. u seem pretty scummy

[Noraa]

My pure townie energy will shine thru not to worry :3

[Noraa]

plus I dont have to have finished town games to prove I'm town. This logic is really flawed

[Noraa]

VOTE: noraa

this is particularly weak, and i'm not overwhelmingly impressed with the jokey, overly flamboyant openings from Menalque and Datisi. Odds of both being scum, slim. Odds of 1 being scum, pretty good based on past experience. VOTE: Datisi

mind telling me what experience?

if this isn't a rvs vote, u will have to explain it

[Noraa]

plus I dont have to have finished town games to prove I'm town. This logic is really flawed

tell me how you will prove it otherwise though?

I dont think you need finished town games to prove ur town. Meta is trash and unreliable a lot of the time anyways so I dont see what's wrong with not having any. It just means I'm newer than everyone else but so? u trying to tell me that all new players have no way to prove they aren't scum and have to be scum every round until they have a finished town game? Im being a lil defensive ig? But like ur logic just isn't making any sense to me...

VOTE: noraa

this is particularly weak, and i'm not overwhelmingly impressed with the jokey, overly flamboyant openings from Menalque and Datisi. Odds of both being scum, slim. Odds of 1 being scum, pretty good based on past experience. VOTE: Datisi

mind telling me what experience?

if this isn't a rvs vote, u will have to explain it

do i have to?

it would look really scummy on ur part to not explain so yeah I would say you should explain.

[Noraa]

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

[Noraa]

it would look really scummy on ur part to not explain so yeah I would say you should explain.

if i refused to explain, would you think i'm scum? if so, why?

no but it would be antitown to not offer an explanation after dropping a vote on somebody(if its serious which u haven't clarified so idk)

[Noraa]

BM light tunneling on page three is not a good look either.

I dont have any finished TOWNGAMES. However I do have 2 finished scumgames and am currently in 5 games. If you wish to take offense to my reads, then do as you please I dont particularly care ^^

[Noraa]

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

You are probably literally the only person who thinks I'm remotely scummy here. I'm pretty obvtown, even from my own perspective. Also, you are playing that RVS card way too hard, although can let that slide as you're a newbie.

However, I actually like the above post. Feels like a legit misguided attempt to get bragging rights. Some townie points for you (although no bragging rights, because, i'm not scum, and you tunnelling me is not helping town).

Your opinion on urself doesn't mean shit and also if u were scum, u would never admit that so I dont see a point in the second sentence. I'm not tunneling u. I'm replying to ur posts.

it would look really scummy on ur part to not explain so yeah I would say you should explain.

if i refused to explain, would you think i'm scum? if so, why?

no but it would be antitown to not offer an explanation after dropping a vote on somebody(if its serious which u haven't clarified so idk)

the vote was (is) serious, yes.

scummy or anti-town?

pedit: thank you BM, i'll go check it out in a bit
if i told you mena and i are friends and probably would've memed around regardless of either of our alignments, does that change your opinion in any way?

ppedit: tunneling? obvtown?

pppedit: whoops nevermind lol tunneling it is

Ngl im not quite too sure what the difference between antitown and scummy so idk.

BM light tunneling on page three is not a good look either.

I dont have any finished TOWNGAMES. However I do have 2 finished scumgames and am currently in 5 games. If you wish to take offense to my reads, then do as you please I dont particularly care ^^

as a word of advice, it would genuinely be helpful if you can finish one of those towngames quick, and post a link here or just let us know which one it was.

Definitely not offended by your read of me, I'm just telling you it's very misguided. I mean, you know my role, so what more do you want?

if u want, u can stalk me and find out when one of my town games end. However I will not be remembering this just bc u requested it and I dislike ur tunneling:3

[Noraa]

"when I tried to pressure datisi"
wtf he dropped a vote on me and I asked for an explanation and u get this out of that?

stop discrediting everything I say by mentioning my inexperience. that's very scummy +200 scumpoints

"testing u"
it sounds more like u trying to set me up as limbait and are backpedalling right about now

[Noraa]

meh if I can't prove it with my nonexistent town games, u can't prove anything with them either

nah u deserve the scumpoints. u seem pretty scummy

What motivation do you think battlemage would have to make such a claim so soon after the game started. I just can't see how it could be alignment indicative.

Ok it might not be a great move and maybe slightly anti-town potential but scummy.

TSTBS and LAMIST is what I was trying to say he might be doing

[Noraa]

lmao it means "too scum to be scum"

[Noraa]

*scummy

[Noraa]

but ok, if you didn't know the difference, what did you mean in 74 by calling my behaviour anti-town?

Dropping a vote without backing it up with reasons/evidence is definitely antitown behavior imo. It means ur not willing to even try to support it and convince others its right which makes me think u dont believe it urself. The only people that would be that sure who the scums are would be the scums themselves especially at this stage in the game

[Noraa]

BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Noraa]

BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.

VOTE: Battle Mage

His entire play so far has been fluff and tunneling Noraa. There has been zero other content

[Noraa]

but ok, if you didn't know the difference, what did you mean in 74 by calling my behaviour anti-town?

Dropping a vote without backing it up with reasons/evidence is definitely antitown behavior imo. It means ur not willing to even try to support it and convince others its right which makes me think u dont believe it urself. The only people that would be that sure who the scums are would be the scums themselves especially at this stage in the game

So what makes you think battlemage has to be scum due to him as you say. Making a vote based on little evidence.

Ok at this stage any votes bound are to be weak but what makes you think that it must be indication that he is scum. Rather than maybe for instance if you are town, simply another townie pushing a read.

I was talking about Datisi who has said absolutely nothing about me

[Noraa]

meh if I can't prove it with my nonexistent town games, u can't prove anything with them either

nah u deserve the scumpoints. u seem pretty scummy

What motivation do you think battlemage would have to make such a claim so soon after the game started. I just can't see how it could be alignment indicative.

Ok it might not be a great move and maybe slightly anti-town potential but scummy.

TSTBS and LAMIST is what I was trying to say he might be doing

Claiming town is LAMIST? I mean, strictly speaking yeah, but FFS.

Also, how can something be TSTBS AND LAMIST!? You're hedging your bets here aren't you? I can't be both too scummy to be scum, and too townie to be town.

LAMIST by TSTBS

[Noraa]

Post # 102 is a bit provocative. Unfortunately I dont get mad that easily so you won't be able to get a huge reaction out of me and SR me for it. I talk about myself in third person from time to time correct. The other part is kinda rude however scumhunter Noraa isn't bad at her job so u best watch out. Rn a wagon on u sounds like the best wagon

[Noraa]

@Datisi

not sure. You dont seem to really explain anything so its possible that this is the way u play early in games. I have a null read on you rn if that answers the question

[Noraa]

BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.

VOTE: Battle Mage

His entire play so far has been fluff and tunneling Noraa. There has been zero other content

are you talking about yourself in the third person and quoting your own posts to make it seem like you have friends backing you up, and you can get momentum behind a BM wagon?

only ceaser is allowed to talk about themselves in the 3rd person. lol

Noraa if you keep as BM says talking about yourself in the 3rd person. You will have to do it all game as punishment.

I refuse. I do it when I feel like it so suck it up and deal with it :3

[Noraa]

All Datisi did was vote without giving a reason. Thats at most a little antitown/scummy. I dont see why I am expected to SR him after slightly Fosing him over that. Bm on the other hand I do find scummy. The tunneling is definitely not a good look imo. Whoever said that I should find both Datisi and BM scummy, I dont see why encouraging OMGUSing is a good thing...

[Noraa]

I think a scum in (BM, noraa) seems likely above rand

Not sure if BM is scum at this point in time cuz as town, I've never actually been tunneled day 1 before. I've reread my entrance in attempt to seeing what I did differently this game that got me these reactions but I'm not seeing anything which is definitely adding to my suspicions on BM just being a scum trying to kill off some LHF day 1. Putting pressures on newbies generally always gets u some good "scum tells" but I find those often aren't AI instead are just a more experienced player trying to get a mislim. I think BM could very likely be a scum here tho. This is not backtracking no. Top of my scum reads is still BM. I am however not too sure if my read is accurate given my lack of experience.

However BM is the only one that is discrediting my opinions bc of inexperience. I'll quote some posts of his in my next post with that. It's either really rude of him or he is scum trying tp set me up to look like LHF so he can leave me til limlo where my opinions won't matter. I might be overthinking a shit ton considering we are on like page 5 but anyways yeah

[Noraa]

Ok ok I see a shit ton of posts directed at me. I'm not replying to all of them individually. that's way too much work especially when most the questions are basically the same. Someone compile the questions into one post and I'll reply to that. I agree that currently NoraavBM definitely gives for a TvS look. However I believe town should not only focus on us two. The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want. {Noraa, BM} has at most one scum. I am 100% sure of this fact bc I am town however it seems town agrees also that a Bm/Noraa scum team would not work. I think we do need to be looking elsewhere as well is my point. You can continue to tunnel, yes. But I dont see much potential there considering even if best case scenario town lims scum!Bm, tomorrow you will realize that you tunneled the shit out of two players and have close to nothing on whoever the other scums are.

pedit:can y'all slow tf down I'm having a hard time keeping up

[Noraa]

I am inexperienced correct and that means I make more mistakes that others no matter my alignment. That is a fact. However using something that everyone has to go thru against me to discredit my opinions is a pretty shitty thing to do.

LHF- low hanging fruit or easy limbait

I Fosed Datisi and that doesn't equal I must follow up with a vote or SR
I SRed BM and I still do but am a little uncertain and will be rethinking. I dont think this SR will disappear. I'm just waiting for more evidence

[Noraa]

Did you just tell me I have ignored someone?
How rich that its coming from you, a person that has only tunneled me and buddied everyone else

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

I can only assume that datisi’s lack of enthusiasm, as proven FACTUALLY by her not getting first post, is a result of her being scum, probably with iconeum

2 down 1 to go

not so fast. "2 down 1 to go"? are you slipping that you know there are 3 scum in this game? the only logical explanation for this is that you are scum yourself and therefore this is a shitpush

checkmate

this is particularly weak, and i'm not overwhelmingly impressed with the jokey, overly flamboyant openings from Menalque and Datisi. Odds of both being scum, slim. Odds of 1 being scum, pretty good based on past experience. VOTE: Datisi

Who wants to leave RVS early? Show of hands

After your little opening exchange with Datisi, I'm about ready to leave the game early. If only I hadn't claimed already...

I agree that its likely one is scum. The claiming early thing reads bad on ur part unless its a joke

Scr00 y00, don't tell me how to play, grr! And if you're gonna just piggyback off my reads, gimme some actual data to work with, rather than just agreeing with me.

idc if its a joke. its not a joke you should be making

With respect, you've said you have not completed a single game of mafia. Even if I completely suck ass, I don't need you telling me what I should or shouldn't be doing in this game. Dial down the preaching sister.

Found 2 scums 1 more to goooo ^^

who are the two?

it was a joke calm ur butt

is anything you've said so far serious? this jokey shit gets short shrift with me when it's prolific. Nothing worse than someone doing a bunch of scummy crap and excusing it with "I was only joking "

Discrediting this early. The defensive one definitely looks like you here.

plus I dont have to have finished town games to prove I'm town. This logic is really flawed

tell me how you will prove it otherwise though?

I dont think you need finished town games to prove ur town. Meta is trash and unreliable a lot of the time anyways so I dont see what's wrong with not having any. It just means I'm newer than everyone else but so? u trying to tell me that all new players have no way to prove they aren't scum and have to be scum every round until they have a finished town game? Im being a lil defensive ig? But like ur logic just isn't making any sense to me...

The wording of this is really poor. wishy washy rubbish.

"meta is trash"? an odd thing for a newbie who has never completed a game as town to say.

Meta can be very useful, although it isn't a silver bullet. Also useful is the threat of meta - and the "meta is trash" line is a real cheap way to try and discourage people from using an alternative avenue for scrutinising others. Marginally scummy but also bad form in my view (although i am old school).

And yes, I do think you are defensive, and I'm pinged by your hasty retreat when you tried to pressure Datisi and he wasn't having any of it. You said his vote was scummy, but your lack of courage of conviction didn't ring as town to me.

Obviously you not having a completed town game doesnt mean you are scum. I'm just testing you.

Discrediting again. "Her saying meta sucks doesn't mean shit cuz she's new" is what I hear. "I'm just testing u" what kind of literal bs is this? I feel like I'd have to be the stupidest person in the world to believe that all that tunneling can just be summed up as a quick "test"

BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.

VOTE: Battle Mage

His entire play so far has been fluff and tunneling Noraa. There has been zero other content

I'll actually comment on this, because it's riddled with flaws. I have commented on other things - I talked about Datisi and Menalque's early engagement, and I talked about Datisi's vote on you. Not much else has happened, so I've basically talked about everything I possibly could have. Some fluff, but nothing selective.

Playing the newbie card to get yourself out of the spotlight above, is a scumtell in my book. I'm not going to give you a free-pass because you're new. You being new and vulnerable is a very good reason for targetting you in the first place - you are more likely to give interesting AI reactions in response to pressure.

Saying tunnelling is a scumtell when you have been tunnelling me as much as you think I've tunnelled you, is....meh.

1) you already replied to this post once
2) I'm tunneling as much as u? u take that back. hands down a complete lie.
3) "being new and vulnerable is a very good reason to target" hold tf up. I've never seen a playerlist bully noobs like this before. This isn't even that AI its just purely mean at this point.

that's helpful, thanks Bob! she doesn't really think datisi is null, she's just too scared of him to continue pressing. Doesn't want a fight on two-fronts, which seems like sensible play for Noraa-scum, but nonsensical play for Noraa-town.

On a lighter note, Taylor Swift hasn't posted in the first 5 pages!?

dont talk for me. thanks

[Noraa]

I am inexperienced correct and that means I make more mistakes that others no matter my alignment. That is a fact. However using something that everyone has to go thru against me to discredit my opinions is a pretty shitty thing to do.

LHF- low hanging fruit or easy limbait

I Fosed Datisi and that doesn't equal I must follow up with a vote or SR
I SRed BM and I still do but am a little uncertain and will be rethinking. I dont think this SR will disappear. I'm just waiting for more evidence

as i noted in a previous post, you yourself are using your inexperience as a crutch to absolve yourself of responsibility for high quality scumhunting. You're lazily tunnelling me, and accusing me of things which are factually and demonstrably inaccurate, at the expense of time and effort, for no benefit. You have discredited your own opinions to excuse yourself for when I, at some stage, flip town. Your read on me is based on nothing, and you haven't shown any legitimate scumhunting to me yet. Everyone makes mistakes, all you can ever do is try your best, regardless of your pedigree.

There's a question of consistency with your Datisi and BM reads. I won't labour the point as i've said it many times now. A town player should not feel compelled to stick with the same reads, but they should be able to explain why their reads changed. You are sticking with a debunked attack on me for no reason, and yet have not explained why you backtracked so hard from Datisi.

This conflict directly with all the bs u threw at me earlier. This is subjective. If you want to set up limbait, u will just say they are backtracking but if they are ur scum buddy, u will say they are town for having fluid reads. I am sticking to a SR on u bc ur scummy as hell. I didn't back track "so hard" It was a tiny change in opinion and you turned it into a huge ass deal

[Noraa]

I feel greatly bullied here btw
y'all tunnel hard
accuse me of using AtE if u wish. In a way it is asking u to stop tunneling this hard

[Noraa]

+ nice points for Taylor

[Noraa]

Is Menalque the only person that saw those pushes on me as far far far too aggressive? Especially for 7 pages into the fucking game?

If yes, idk what to say about this playerlist anymore. Y'all can just lim me so I dont have to suffer thru a game with such a clear obvscum that just tunnels and tunnels the shit out of LHF Noraa.

[Noraa]

Post # 102 is a bit provocative. Unfortunately I dont get mad that easily so you won't be able to get a huge reaction out of me and SR me for it. I talk about myself in third person from time to time correct. The other part is kinda rude however scumhunter Noraa isn't bad at her job so u best watch out. Rn a wagon on u sounds like the best wagon

how would you know if scumhunter noraa is good at her job if shes never finished her job?

I dont. I just love say I'm a good scumhunter in my town games

[Noraa]

The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want.

Why is this a bad thing tho, we still get a scum for the trouble and we can worry about sorting the others later if this is TvS

my point is that we also need to be keeping an eye out for the other scums. I, for one want a BM lim today since I am literally so certain those aggressive pushes dont come from town. But I think while we are doing this, we should be keeping an eye out for the other scums.

[Noraa]

Is Menalque the only person that saw those pushes on me as far far far too aggressive? Especially for 7 pages into the fucking game?

In fairness well over half the PL has yet to post/has yet to post anything substantial so I don’t think there’s any way to get a clear consensus on what the general thread perception of you v BM is yet

I'll wait patiently then. If they end up siding bm, I'll be greatly disappointed. However a green flip will dig him his own grave so ig its alright

[Noraa]

The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want.

Why is this a bad thing tho, we still get a scum for the trouble and we can worry about sorting the others later if this is TvS

my point is that we also need to be keeping an eye out for the other scums. I, for one want a BM lim today since I am literally so certain those aggressive pushes dont come from town. But I think while we are doing this, we should be keeping an eye out for the other scums.

But like... why tho? Why is it important to look for the remaining 2 scum if you’re already convinced that you have one scum figured out?

1) u never know ur reads could be wrong
2) its always good to plan early imo

[Noraa]

+ nice points for Taylor

youre just giving me townpoints for agreeing with you, which im really not. thats a bad reason to give me townpoints. you and BM are in a shitfight over nothing. both of you are overconfident, neither has given a decent reason for your scumread on the other.

they are nice points which means they have nothing to do with alignment and are purely for fun.

[Noraa]

This is something I do based off of gut scumpings occasionally. I think the scum team is Taylor/BM/Datisi
this is purely gut and only here for me to reference postgame to see how well I did guessing the scum team
This IS NOT a read
This shouldn't be considered when looking at my stance in the game. This is pure gut

[Noraa]

Okay but that doesn’t really answer my question, like if /you yourself/ are in this moment sold on BM scum why are you trying to encourage people to look away from this conflict (where you’re confident there is scum) to other bits of thread

And also, I don’t see how this is really relevant to planning at all. Like in general I’d say it’s almost impossible for town to plan in a normal on D1

I think we already found one here so there isn't much of a point to keep poking around. Lim BM day 1 and we get a free scum. I'm currently looking elsewhere since I'm certain BM is scum. But I can see your point since no one else is really sold on that fact yet

[Noraa]

menal used to be on the other wagon but recently moved to my wagon

[Noraa]

This thread is moving too fast. Imma likely not post much more today but I'll be reading the thread

[Noraa]

If it’s icon/noraa/Taylor then I’m a god and I’m sigging myself saying this postgame

ur not a god cuz I'm town

[Noraa]

If it’s icon/noraa/Taylor then I’m a god and I’m sigging myself saying this postgame

ur not a god cuz I'm town

Well if you are and BM is scum instead then we’ll call it quits at demigod

sure

[Noraa]

it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

by far the worst vote on me. Rvs ended a while ago.

[Noraa]

piirirational u r correct I don't have a read that's anywhere near confident outside of BM but that's bc besides his whole thing with me, I have seen nothing that really catches my attention here

[Noraa]

YAY finally got a page top

[Noraa]

I want to say shelly voting me for reasons she knows very well don't apply since that is my play style means she is scum. However I'm fairly certain she would prolly try to kill off a LHF even as town. So that is making my read on her a bit wonky. Unlike the rest of the playerlist, shelly and Taylor do know pretty well that this is precisely my playstyle aorn

[Noraa]

I was scum with shelly my first game of mafia

[Noraa]

and i'm looking at BM as a potential scumpartner.

This is a spicy take, you think BM would bus right out of the gate on page 2?

Also, yeah, sorry about the posting frequency I will be trying to dial it down, just gimme some leeway for the first day or so I’m v excited by this PL and that’s running through a bit

all good! yeah i haven't been on the site in a while and don't have personal experience with anyone here i don't think; but i do think that scum opening with straight bussing on page 2 is reasonable and not completely irration
bussing is one of those things that you can WIFOM the hell out of though so i'll have to wait and see

side note: i've been reading the wiki to get up to speed on all the hip new sayings - has LyLo been replaced by ELo in its entirety or is LyLo still pretty commonly used?

I've heard people say wifom and Lylo tho I have no idea what they mean

[Noraa]

PAGE TOPPP

[Noraa]

I've heard people say wifom and Lylo tho I have no idea what they mean

You would do well to read the mafiascum(dot)net wiki

But basically:

Wifom = taking suboptimal decisions on the basis that it makes you look scummy and scum wouldn’t want to look scummy, therefore making the person taking those actions towny. Named after the scene in the princess bride where the sicilian has to decide which cup of wine is poisoned

Lylo-gylo-elo: the make or break scenario — where town outnumbers scum by only one player and failing to correctly guillotíne a scumteam player gives them equality in numbers and results in a scum victory

hmm I'll read the wiki but what I take from that is that wifom is basically tstbs?

[Noraa]

I think the best illustration of wifom from the wiki is the following:

Imagine a criminal is being chased by a community justice vigilante. The criminal arrives at a fork where he can turn either into a dark alley or head into a Main Street that’s well lit. If he heads into the dark alley, he has a 50/50 chance of being caught should the vigilante pursue him. If he heads into the Main Street there’s a 100% chance he’ll be caught if followed.

The ‘optimal’ choice is the alley because even if you’re followed you still have a chance to get away. But if you know that the community justice vigilante knows that that’s the optimal choice for you as well, you might want to head into the Main Street instead because you believe they’ll chase down the dark alley when they get to the fork.

More like TSTBS can be a deliberate WIFOM strategy from scum. But that’s it’s own thing because town can definitely just be TSTBS accidentally

hmmm okee thnx for the explanation

[Noraa]

getting heavy gut townpings from menal

im beginning to think that noraas just being LHF and we should all think about the possibility of BMvNoraa as TvT

this immediate shift in opinions is a bit strange but I'm not quite too sure what to expect from shelly at any given time at this point

[Noraa]

VOTE: Bob

I get the feeling noraa Vs BM continuing benefits Bob, I don't interpret his posting as him truly trying to guide noraa there.

How do you feel about Bob @noraa?

Bob definitely steers clear of the whole NoraavBM thing which def makes him look super scummy there. Even taking a stance and choosing the one that's not a noob seems less scummy in this case since not taking a stance just looks like he wants to be on everyone's good side. Generally town couldn't care less if u dislike them.

I don't have a strong opinion on this dude. He seems to low-key sheep BM a lil in trying to set this LHF up. However if BM is scum, Bob isn't and vice versa bc I cannot see a world where both are scum

[Noraa]

That wasn't my interpretation of his play, to my eye he's challenging you to check your thinking, at the expense of all else.

He's definitely not steered clear

no I definitely felt he tried to stay as out as possible

[Noraa]

Bobs only off topic post was his RVS, the rest is directly quoting you and BM

I still definitely felt like he kept his distance

[Noraa]

BM scum?

Nope, not me dude. I am the most vanilla of vanilla townie towns you ever did see.

I hate it when people claim a role in rvs. It gives people a townie first impression and I hate it. +100 scumpoints for u

Doesnt this mean it doesnt give people a townie first impression? (And I agree, its poor play).

Ok here's the thing. I didn't like the entrance but I'm not quite too sure why or how to describe why its wrong. Does anyone wish to explain precisely why BM's entrance was bad?

My pure townie energy will shine thru not to worry :3

Have you played with Shelley before in any game? This energy thing seems to be a meme/common language, but I havent seen it outside of them.

She was my scum partner in my very first game of mafia

[Noraa]

(I stole that line from her)

[Noraa]

ur welcome I gave you a page top

[Noraa]

(I stole that line from her)

Stealing a line she used as scum to say you're not scum???? KK.

I use her line in every single one of my games so no its not AI and I'm not using it to prove I'm not scum. It's just put in bc I love it

[Noraa]

I didn't like the entrance but I'm not quite too sure why or how to describe why its wrong. Does anyone wish to explain precisely why BM's entrance was bad?

To quote the greatest of elephants: "It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates."

hm I had a slightly different take on it since I feel like claiming a role in first few posts normally actually means they ARENT that role. But idk I overthink and overcomplicate a lot of things. I'll think about it a bit and if I feel like mentioning the results of my brainstorm, I will.

[Noraa]

Shelley/anyone with experience -- is this third person speaking typical?

uh havent seen them do that before

I'm almost 100% certain there was some in doggos but way too lazy to go check

[Noraa]

buddied everyone else

In what way had BM buddied Mena as of this post???

I remember there was a lil bit of just random convo shit that came off as buddying to me but I'm too tired to find it today.

[Noraa]

Holy fuck how many pages did I miss?

[Noraa]

yay 8 pages

I want to say shelly voting me for reasons she knows very well don't apply since that is my play style means she is scum.

I was scum with shelly my first game of mafia

i'd expect shelly to have meta with town!you too in order to see if something is "playstyle" or not? (though if you can't talk about it, don't)

hot take on mena/golden bussing discussion (249, 252) is that even if noraa/BM do turn out to be s/s i wouldn't classify that as a hardbus exactly because it's so early game and how often does it go early game wagon > execution, it'd be harddistance more than a bus

agreed they're unlikely s/s but not because of "hurr durr hardbus"

I think saying tvt on the major conflict is quite fence-sitty but waiting for an elaboration

what do you mean when you say fence-sitty? like taking a stance on a conflict is... the opposite of that?

oh hello @pi
can you pls acknowledge my 223
also do you have meta/history with BM?

bottom of page 11, be back in a bit

shelly says she has meta on town!me but she can't talk about it until they end so yeah

The worst is now backup modding this game, say hi to him and thanks

Hi worstie!!

Holy fuck how many pages did I miss?

Like 10 or something

Whats your read on shelly?

Yeah no. Ask me sometime later. I have a hard time reading her after being her scumpartner once. The way she thinks is hard to understand and she's good at lying. Idk if she's scum here but I'm somewhat certain she isn't here.

get some sleep shelly (like non-sarcastically do sleep well)

hi noraa

i think i had questions for you somewhere in my walls but fuck if i remember anymore

welp that's too bad then. think of them and I'll answer.

jesus christ there's a lot to read through
gut after iso'ing nora is that they're more overeager/newbie town because it doesn't seem to me like newbscum would jump in and hypocritically tunnel someone.
VOTE: battlemage scumreading BM because i'm not a fan of their content. 385 gives me quite scummy vibes - it feels like something i wouldn't see town saying and it seems like BM is basically trying to use my words to say "noraa's scum, i'm town" but in a weirdly buddying way.

I'm starting to really dislike this slot here. Switching from me to BM here is a weird switch. Anyways this post gives me some scumpings.

okay here's where were at now

Mena - town
Datisi - townread
TGP - strong town lean
bob, alonzo - town lean
Icon
BM - nulltown BUT if noraa is scum moves up to same level as TGP

Teacher - null
iaaun

pii - scumlean
noraa -- down here but I haven't actually reread her posts to try to deal with the question of newb!town or newb!scum, willing to listen to other takes on this, rn I'm happy to go with my initial impressions
Taylor - scum
shelly

I dont like this slot either anymore. Seems like they benefit the most from the BmvNoraa

[Noraa]

Note to self do not reconsider my reads or change my stances ever again.

Note to self do not townread people.

also how am I pocketing you if I now think you're scum

uhh yeah this post scumpings hard wth
this is basically textbook manipulation VOTE: shelly

also nora's reads on menal and me scream newbtown. talking abt who "benefits most" from a hypocritical catfight that you started pings me as a really "not newbscum" thing to say.

Woah woah woah there buddy. You tell me again who started this "catfight"

[Noraa]

Idk y tf ur gonna say I started it when I legit came in and got tunneled to hell and back. You really need to go do some isos before u accuse me of something I didn't do

[Noraa]

look, y'all both escalated a fight over a really. weird. scumread on bm by you after his claim. am i saying you're scum? no. do i really trust your reads right now, and do i think your scumreads on menal and me are legitimate instead of simply trying to generate empty content? no, not really. you're looking really defensive to me right now, so while i'm staying with my light townlean, i'm not confident in it either.

wtf ur vote was on my earlier and suddenly I'm a light town lean
VOTE: Golden

[Noraa]

Its not like you didn't see all of my posts before you voted me.

[Noraa]

lmaoooooooooo rip mod

[Noraa]

dont worry I absolutely believe you :3

[Noraa]

You guys are mean

except me :3
im nice

[Noraa]

Yeah no. Ask me sometime later. I have a hard time reading her after being her scumpartner once. The way she thinks is hard to understand and she's good at lying.

Idk if she's scum here but I'm somewhat certain she isn't here.

aight i will ask you later

i thought i posted more questions for you than i really did, i think i'm half mixing up yours and shelly's avatars, the similar colours are throwing me off lmao

though can you tell me what the bolded means?

scum!shelly vibes are not present here. Hard to describe. Read some meta on her and u will understand.

yay 8 pages

okay here's where were at now

Mena - town
Datisi - townread
TGP - strong town lean
bob, alonzo - town lean
Icon
BM - nulltown BUT if noraa is scum moves up to same level as TGP

Teacher - null
iaaun

pii - scumlean
noraa -- down here but I haven't actually reread her posts to try to deal with the question of newb!town or newb!scum, willing to listen to other takes on this, rn I'm happy to go with my initial impressions
Taylor - scum
shelly

I dont like this slot either anymore. Seems like they benefit the most from the BmvNoraa

dont know if this quote migth get messed up. Dont know why playesr cant split their posts with different quotes up



Noora do you still think BM is scum?

As you seem to imply that bm is town here by saying that menal benifited from the BmvNora. Do you think they are partneres as thats the only explanation I can think of why you would think menal would have benifited.

I do still have a SR on BM correct. Currently my SRs are BM and Gold

[Noraa]

mmmm so I'm not too sure what I'm thinking about this game atm however I have a few things I dont like so far

BM changes votes far too often. I think this is scummy bc scums will flip flop a shit ton since what's going thru their mind is gonna be something like : "hmm good limbait here. ooo better limbait here. oh maybe the first limbait was better etc etc"

Not too sure if that's correct but uh ... that's how I am when I'm scum so yeah.

Datisi I am 100% certain is very much capable of producing content yet I am not seeing much content. I think that may be a scumtell for him tho I have never played a game with him before so I couldn't say.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

Mena is .... meh. I'm not sure what alignment mena is but I wouldn't be surprised with either aorn.

everyone else is even more meh. talk more and maybe I'll try to solve u some more

[Noraa]

Didn't you already make your mind up I was definitely scum? It's a bit late to pretend to sort me now.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

hot take, you're right, Golden dude is scum.

Wtf. I put more thought into my read on u in attempts to sort u better and u just try to brush it aside with this thats basically the equivalent of "yeah that was just her tunneling ignore it"

STOP DISCREDITING. LITERALLY STOP.

Saying "hot take, you're right, Golden dude is scum" is not in the least bit helpful. I couldn't care less whether or not scum!BM agrees with me.

[Noraa]

I've barely rolled town as shown by my only finished games being scum games but that doesn't mean that my reads are bad. Whether or not they *sound* good is one thing. Whether or not they are accurate is another. I couldn't care less that ur more experienced here than me. I'm putting my reads out there and you shouldn't be discrediting them.

[Noraa]

I've barely rolled town as shown by my only finished games being scum games but that doesn't mean that my reads are bad. Whether or not they *sound* good is one thing. Whether or not they are accurate is another. I couldn't care less that ur more experienced here than me. I'm putting my reads out there and you shouldn't be discrediting them.

Be more critical

as in...?

[Noraa]

VOTE: Battle Mage

You have no way out of this, scum!BM

[Noraa]

Im feeling a slight lean town lean on golden, as if golden was partnered with either of bm or noraa i just dont think he would come in and push the fresh idea that they are just scum getting in early bussing.

Especially after choosing to vote for the one with the largest wagon. Of the two players he has stated as being svs. And not only that but a fourth vote on the first wagon. An ice breaker often done by town.

Golden is a townlean because he isn't scum with Noraa? eh, I don't know man, needs a re-think. Noraa and me is either T v S, or T v T. In either case, scum benefit from pushing the S v S agenda to guarantee at least 1 mislynch, if not two.

Golden is a townlean because he isn't scum with Noraa? eh, I don't know man, needs a re-think. Noraa and me is either T v S, or T v T. In either case, scum benefit from pushing the S v S agenda to guarantee at least 1 mislynch, if not two


I'm leaning towards it being tvt. My gut keeps telling me that noraa is just a fellow townie who has made a bad early push. Certainly the possibility that its tvs as noraas push was rather scummy. But the fact she didn't try and back track on her push on you. Even when she was asked why she thought it was scummy rather than just anti-town. She continued to push a set of reads on you that ultimately stemmed from that flawed premises.

I dont agree with this. I can definitely see why people would SR my tunneling however it was far less aggressive than BM's tunneling. And tunneling that hard in the first ten damn pages is not something town would do bc town know literally nothing about the setup and are lost asf before some flips. I could see scum doing it but I can't see town doing that. I dont see how my logic is flawed. Tunneling that aggressively is definitely a scumtell.

[Noraa]

Datisi I am 100% certain is very much capable of producing content yet I am not seeing much content. I think that may be a scumtell for him tho I have never played a game with him before so I couldn't say.

what do you consider "content"? because i feel like i've made content this game? like at least some? idk?

i don't know what i think about your reads marking everyone (?) meh/scummy and i'll think about that in the morning

Dayum ur polite. The ruder equivalent would've been "ur not producing any either"
Hm I just feel like you aren't trying that hard to solve rn and that's feeling a bit off to me. Its more the overall vibe of ur posts is kinda this ~lazy~ vibe. (no offense intended and these type of things are hard to tell over the internet anyways so disregard if ur town and know that scumhunter Noraa is onto u if ur scum <.<)

VOTE: Battle Mage

You have no way out of this, scum!BM

as discussed, i'm not interested in anything you say until you make some effort to read the thread and engage constructively. Will ignore, with discretion to point out scumminess.

that's rich considering I dont think there's a single one of my posts that mentioned u, even slightly, that u didn't reply to.

[Noraa]

Noraa do you know how to iso individual players? Your generalised reads read like you don't.

Mage- Behave!

Username- my name's not on the list because maybe knew he'd be in a world of shit if it was? But id be in your list dependant on the size of the world of shit mage would be in?

I don't understand the question.

I do actually. But I haven't done it this game yet which I should change that soon. I normally wait a bit until I start ISOing but ur right I should start

TGP youre a effing noob, please stop posting, we are waiting for a very important post from Bob.


How was that?

be nice to noobs >:((((((

[Noraa]

there's lots of good eye doctors around :3

[Noraa]

speaking of which where tf did that dude disappear off to？

[Noraa]

you think mena and bob are scum together?

[Noraa]

Taylor dances for no one

[Noraa]

Hm good point. I could see a bm/mena and a bm/bob scumteam.
however I think bm is basically a confscum(at least in my head) which is why imma tunnel some more and hopefully get a good case on him bc I want a bm lim today

[Noraa]

Or Nora's.

I'm not picking sides. I'm like the distraught child in the middle.

fair enough ngl I could see why Im seeming scummy here.

[Noraa]

I think he's confscum. I know no one agrees. So what? I think what I think and my job is to try to prove myself correct or change my read if I later start thinking its not him. Do u have a problem with that?

[Noraa]

I think he's confscum. I know no one agrees. So what? I think what I think and my job is to try to prove myself correct or change my read if I later start thinking its not him. Do u have a problem with that?

Oi.

Isos.

not today. Today I'm only replying to stuff. I dont have enough time for ISOs today. I'll try tmrw.

[Noraa]

I find it funny how bad ur timing is but I can relate. I leave to go to sleep and I wake up to like 10 pages. Then I'm online and there's nothing. But anyways I have homework so I'm out. Peace out :3

[Noraa]

welp, my stuff went inside the quote there…

*this game is looking to benefit from a noraa flip the more it posts*

im not an "it" ....

2 a's is enough

And now for the actual things I have to say

[Noraa]

pushing low hanging fruit? me?

where?

noraa is low hanging fruit

I dont like either side of this argument. Ico def looks like they're trying to push some LHF however Golden quickly flipping sides(from BM to me) is really really sus. I'm in a terrible position rn as newbtown that is a likely candidate for a day 1 lim. Scums will see that and think rn is the perfect time to pocket. And the thing is I get in a lot of hot water as town but someone that really knows their way around ms can pretty easily shift attention and save a town!Noraa. Golden is striking me as that scum that's trying to pocket me to most likely get me to vote with them by defending me here. Except it definitely looks like they're failing to shift attention away.

Ico saying that they started off TRing and then shifted to a SR kinda just looks like a way to "backpedal" kinda when I flip green. Cuz it shows they were uncertain and if I get limmed day 1, it would just mean that most people agree that my play was scummy. And if that happens, Ico won't have to take any responsibility whatsoever. This is also seeming pretty scummy to me atm.

I think both seem scummy however I dont think they are scum together.

[Noraa]

I read them but I dont think it was a reasonable transition

[Noraa]

Dude no lim is the worst option ever

[Noraa]

im not caught up at all and I'm not really sure when I will be but I'll try to get caught up soon

[Noraa]

im not caught up at all and I'm not really sure when I will be but I'll try to get caught up soon

dude, please at least read my long-ass post specifically to you, it took me like minutes to write

quote it rn

[Noraa]

So I read it all and thank you for taking the time to put that post together @BM

But, I kind of hate when I get posts like this because I'm the type of newbie that will actually have more biased reads due to something like this cuz I tend to be more emotionally driven than logically driven.

Anyways besides tunneling u, I have done nothing game advancing here I realize. To put it nicely, I found the tunneling to be very discouraging and it ended up making me put this game on the back burner where I just checked in a hot five times a day and was done with it. I'm no SE but tunneling a newbie no matter where, is not a good idea imo. Sure u might get a scum one day if ur lucky but it's very discouraging for the newbie no matter alignment. I'll try to solve some more over the weekend bc this game has been pretty content heavy and messy. My brain's too fried to deal with it during the week.

[Noraa]

Ik the weekends far away but I don't wanna do one this week so I might do it this week if I see some really good content but otherwise, its gonna be a while before my read goes out

[Noraa]

zzz about to crash but quick thoughts

looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on ico

why does town!shelly imply town!ico?

good question, and one that i spent a decent bit of time thinking about. i'll try to give a more logic based answer to this later, but i'm leaning towards ico and shelly being the same alignment just based off shelly's following of ico and ico's almost working with shelly. that being said, scum!ico might just be trying to pocket town!shelly, so it gives ico a handful of townpoints i'll need to see the shelly/ico interaction later today.
that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

I think the opposite actually. I can see shelly pocketing ico or ico pocketing shelly here and I'm fairly certain they are not the same alignment. All this buddy buddy shit is not rubbing the right way for me

[Noraa]

that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

huh, my thoughts are pretty much opposite, i can see t/s (or maybe even t/t?) sooner than s/s (since kinda seems like a bold way for partners to interact?)

but also i'm scumreading shelly and townreading ico so maybe there's that

I should've just read on but Datisi explained it better

[Noraa]

Shelly is not a noob. She's an SE and she doesn't play like a noob either

[Noraa]

okay, that's interesting. i didn't know that, but that makes the shelly/ico interaction super interesting.

i remember reading somewhere that "interesting" is the most meaningless word

must've been a book of wisdom that Noraa wrote

[Noraa]

Hm I didn't notice that ico just said they'd be fine with killing off a useless townie over actually trying to get a scum day 1. That reads bad but I, unfortunately also understand where that's coming from. Better a day 1 mislim of town!Noraa then a day 4 mislim on me.
Ofc I don't agree with it tho since I'd much prefer a scum lim day 1 over a town lim

[Noraa]

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

Im not liking that slot and would be fine with a golden flip today

[Noraa]

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

Im not liking that slot and would be fine with a golden flip today

then you should vote for GoldenParadox

I will if we need the extra vote. Otherwise I currently still like my vote on BM

[Noraa]

I will if we need the extra vote. Otherwise I currently still like my vote on BM

i don't see BM making 832 as scum here. he was not under any pressure, at all, from anybody else.

he doesn't need to make a big show to persuade everybody else that he's town; everyone else already thinks he's town (or at least, doesn't seem to think he's scum).
he doesn't need to make a big show to persuade you that he's town. i'm pretty sure scum!BM would be perfectly content to let the situation of town!Noraa tunnelling him and being ignored by the town at large continue indefinitely.
so if he's scum, what does he actually stand to gain from making that post? why go to all that effort?

But, I kind of hate when I get posts like this because I'm the type of newbie that will actually have more biased reads due to something like this cuz I tend to be more emotionally driven than logically driven.

i don't think you should feel bad about being more emotionally driven than logically driven, and i think you should let your reads be biased by something like this. like, i'm not saying that appeals to emotion will never come from scum, or that you shouldn't consider the possibility that someone is trying to manipulate you. but i think it's very unlikely here, for the reasons outlined above.

You bring a convincing argument to the table. I like it so in reply :
UNVOTE: BM

[Noraa]

but @iamausername, that post will make more people TR him for precisely the reasons that u just listed.
Either way I've unvoted for now but I still will be keeping an eye out for him

[Noraa]

Nah im a us night owl too

[Noraa]

Nah im a us night owl too

You haven’t really piped up as I spammed my ketchups. I think you unvoted — was that being convinced or deciding it wasn’t happening?

both to some extent

[Noraa]

Nah im a us night owl too

You haven’t really piped up as I spammed my ketchups. I think you unvoted — was that being convinced or deciding it wasn’t happening?

both to some extent

Give me the hardest feeling you have this game, town or scum, that is totally independent of BM

what's this supposed to mean?

[Noraa]

Oh sure!

I think Alonzo is town. The reason is that while everyone was obsessing over BmvNoraa, he, instead of going with the flow and pushing a Noraa lim all the way thru, started sussing Bob. Ig this kinda has something to do with Bm but not too much so it should be fine. Theres a possibility that Alonzo wanted to divert attention from his scum partner, Bm. However Bm wasn't the one close to getting limmed so I dont think he would divert attention for a townie if he was scum. I think he just truly thought Bob benefitted from all this so he decided instead of dealing with this big mess, he would go sort some easier to sort people elsewhere since BmvNoraa was a hot mess.

[Noraa]

everyone else is even more meh.

That interchange came before this ya? So why this?

Alonzo has caught my attention since then. He seems townie enough so I did an iso on him and decided that he prolly is my strongest TR so far. Again, this is really sloppy. I'll try to do better once the weekend starts

[Noraa]

I thought I was a tsunami of energy and happiness
...and then u showed up T^T

Alright I've got to catch up. adios until then

[Noraa]

bm vs noraa is town vs town

Expand pls. I stopped my tunneling but I'm far from convinced that bm is town.

noraa is low hanging fruit

it's been one of the most talked about slots, and itself has been rather vocal throughout the game

noraa is NOT BY ANY MEANS lhf

I don't get ur whole case on me. Ur whole case is kinda "she so scummy, scum scum scummy" and that's about it. I specifically already said that I felt discouraged by BM's "tunneling" at the beginning so I did not engage as much as I normally would. Heck I have games where I engaged more than this as fucking scum.

Ik the weekends far away but I don't wanna do one this week so I might do it this week if I see some really good content but otherwise, its gonna be a while before my read goes out

scumping

feels more like you don't wanna have to work and fake reads

i feel like town!you should feel better about this game now that BM opened the door for you to do other things, because like you said, ur more emotional then logical (which is perfectly fine btw!)

I am feeling better about it but i already said multiple times that IM FUCKING BUSY. Would you prefer I just replace out? If ur scum, u'll think no since I'm great limbait. If ur town, u'll think yes but ur not allowed to tell me that anyways so I'm just being petty rn.

I think the opposite actually. I can see shelly pocketing ico or ico pocketing shelly here and I'm fairly certain they are not the same alignment. All this buddy buddy shit is not rubbing the right way for me

do you understand the concept of mafia where it's like kinda a big deal to also find solid townreads, and not just scumreads?

Do you understand that I have close to zero experience being town with my only finished games all being scum games?

everyone else is even more meh.

That interchange came before this ya? So why this?

Alonzo has caught my attention since then. He seems townie enough so I did an iso on him and decided that he prolly is my strongest TR so far. Again, this is really sloppy. I'll try to do better once the weekend starts

This literally reads like you were forced to go look at a slot and fabricate a read there,

because you were asked to do so

.

Not because you are interested in solving

.

Wow maybe because that is exactly the case. I have already said I'm busy asf during the week and can only do replies to things. Im not going to ISO dive or reread the thread during the week since this is the only game that I've paid close to zero attention to so far.

everyone pls

vote noraa

Im fed up with u. This is OMGUSy however ur points r trash and ur not reading my post explaining that I put this game on the back burner for a bit and now catching up completely is hard. I already promised to do it over the weekend so can u just shut it for a bit?

VOTE: ICO

This is an anger vote that I will remove if I think appropriate.

ok I can go deeper
noraa starting a hard tunnel on BM is kinda town indicative in a way that it broke the game early out of RVS and actually created a whole bunch of interactions which is protown
Like their hyper focus on BM and BM only reads town because scum kinda has to posture around everyone

u sure flipped sides fast. and all ur arguments regardless of which side u were are just sheeping tons of other people's.

[Noraa]

ICO is completely disregarding the fact that I already explained everything they have on me. I will no longer reply to those unless my wagon starts building up again on those *trash* reasons

[Noraa]

Noraa have you done anything to tune those reads since we last spoke?

wait til the weekend for that pls

[Noraa]

My first town game finished. Go get meta if u want it. Newbie something ANCIENT ARTHROPODS

[Noraa]

link pls noraa

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1100

[Noraa]

buddied everyone else

In what way had BM buddied Mena as of this post???

Noraa, I feel like you bounced this question off two nights ago by saying you were tired. Any interest in answering it now.

Sure sure. Ok buddied is the wrong term. Not sure what term to use even rn but here's what I was thinking at the time: Bm was interacting with everyone but his interactions were all really light and useless imo. he dug up a lil dirt everywhere and kinda called it a day. But he tunneled in on me hard. What I was thinking at the time was that this was scum trying to seem like they are solving when in fact they are only trying to set up a mislim. Basically he wasn't "buddying" everyone else. He was slightly interacting with every single person. Just enough to seem protown.

[Noraa]

people on the Taylor wagon are all probably town, I think Bunno is very townie. im fine with noraa lim today as well

ico give me a tl;dr

u TR me then u throw shade on me. wtf.

I think there’s something. something wrong about the menal slot

doesn’t really think their posts are showing a really solve mindset and are instead parked on me

no one thought there was anything wrong with BM when he was parked on me so I dont see anything wrong here either.

VOTE: taylor

VOTE: shellyc

Why so flip floppy?

noraa is actually probably town by screaming 'HERE IS MY TOWNGAME LOOK AT MEEEEEEE'

i don't like how taylor jumped ship for me putting shellyc at L-1

counterwagon taylor is interesting as well because there's a bunch of my townreads there, but also shellyc so ????

One post from me about a finished town game that I posted all over the place was all it took for u to find the perfect opportunity to give me a free town pass?

yeah sure you just tunnel in on 1 slot

i'll try to be the townie here and try to look at the bigger picture

this is rich coming from the only person that continued tunneling in on me when everyone else stopped.

I HATE THE SWITCH. If you continued tunneling, I would've found u pretty towny. This switch was unnatural. you keep switching between throwing shade at me and voting shelly and vice versa. It's stupid and scummy. If ur town, stop.
VOTE: ICO

[Noraa]

u TR me then u throw shade on me. wtf.

im fine if someone wants to policy noraa but we should all lim Taylor

U at L-2 rn?

[Noraa]

BM doesn't really try to solve other slots. For other slots, he kind just gets his toes a lil wet and that's it. Todays leading wagons are shelly and Taylor correct? I read a bunch of peoples attacks on them and currently want a shelly lim more however I'll have to reread and see what I think after.

[Noraa]

pretty null rn

[Noraa]

I do notice that Taylor is producing much less content than she was as town in that one game that finished but besides that, nothing stands out to me

[Noraa]

I dont produce content even when I'm a fucking town power role(the newbie that just ended I was JKer). What more is there to say?

[Noraa]

I just struggle with producing content and thats all there is to it. period.
its not AI and should not be the reason for a SR or a TR

[Noraa]

Oh! Welp I also noticed she wasn't producing that much content but so?

[Noraa]

Oh! Welp I also noticed she wasn't producing that much content but so?

do you not think not producing content is AI
if its not AI at least it’s definitely ANTI TOWN

antitown doesn't mean scum.

Not only that but I've been checking out and you seem to be post elsewhere more frequently

Because of site-rules I need to leave it at that, but the level of engagement here does seem unimpressive even considering your playstyle.

This is the game that I am the least active in out of all my games so I don't see why that's a problem for Taylor when its pretty normal.

I just spent a fun few mins reading Noraa's completed town game.

Spoiler:

Dude, why didn't you save the tracker on N1? lol

the tl:dr is:

Excited, over-zealous, enthusiastic scumhunting, lots of obvtowning, keen to give reads, not tunnel-visioned, overwhelmingly happy and bubbly.

Will re-read here, although my starting assumption is, it feels a heck of a lot different.

lmaoooo using my town meta against me in a town game? if ur town, ur gonna eat ur own words post game. I did zero solving as the dang JKer day 1. A little bit day 2 and a little bit day 3. I also didn't get tunneled at all in that game after hammering a scum that claimed JKer day 1. No shit I seemed happier that round when I was basically conftown.

I'm finding the fact that Noraa initially only focussed on me, and others when they voted her, for AAGES, troubling.

No sense of townie-zeal to try and catch scum. Just OMGUS and self-defence.

When she does eventually move to other suspects, she justifies as "they benefit most from BM v Noraa" which implies TvT, but she is still claiming a scumread on me at that point.

claims she doesnt produce content as town, when she did.

i dunno. heart still says town but head says burn.

Scum can benefit from their partner being in a fight with a townie. It doesn't imply TvT. I said I would drop the tunneling. Those were replies as to what I thought a while ago. You, my dude need to untunnel and stop using the same old boring accusations against me.

[Noraa]

cuz its not much fun when people attack ur inexperience and use it to discredit ur opinions and justify tunnels

[Noraa]

wtf have u even read one of my scum games? Im a happy person in general as long as I don't feel low-key trampled on okay? You are over here throwing shade at me and basically saying ur gonna give me a free town pass if I vote with u. wtf.

VOTE: BM

[Noraa]

Im a noob but I'm not going to vote with u to get a free town pass. I don't need a flipping town pass. Im town and ik it. idc if u think I'm town or not bc u just seem unreasonable and manipulative.

[Noraa]

wtf have u even read one of my scum games? Im a happy person in general as long as I don't feel low-key trampled on okay? You are over here throwing shade at me and basically saying ur gonna give me a free town pass if I vote with u. wtf.

VOTE: BM

why are you so reluctant to vote teacher? please share your read on him.

if you're actually just regressing back to your old ways now, that makes me more comfortable flipping you I think. Again, just OMGUS with no real protown mindset.

Im a noob but I'm not going to vote with u to get a free town pass. I don't need a flipping town pass. Im town and ik it. idc if u think I'm town or not bc u just seem unreasonable and manipulative.

since when has knowing you're town been a decisive factor in avoiding death?

if you're town, i don't know what your problem is. i was very reasonable - i said if you voted teacher-scum, i would let you live. what more were you expecting??

I have MY OWN READ and I will not change it to match urs scum!BM. period.

[Noraa]

Its Thursday. I don't want to reread until Saturday. It'll take too many hours bc I haven't been paying any attention to this game.

[Noraa]

Teacher isn't one of my SRs so why should I listen to u. my read is shit but I'm not sheeping urs

[Noraa]

Its Thursday. I don't want to reread until Saturday. It'll take too many hours bc I haven't been paying any attention to this game.

i mean perhaps if you had been paying attention and trying hard in this game, as you do in other games, people wouldn't shade you? just a thought that maybe it isn't everybody else's fault.

Teacher isn't one of my SRs so why should I listen to u. my read is shit but I'm not sheeping urs

you could have read my analysis of him and formed your own view. I'd prefer you to read it and explain why you disagree, rather than just dismiss it and going "no BM, fk you".
As i say, you obviously have plenty of time to rage at me, but apparently not enough to pursue your actual win condition in this game of finding scum? mysterious eh?

dude can you stop? I already said multiple times that I am busy and not rereading until the weekend. I never said its everyone's fault that I dislike this game. I thought I made it clear enough that it was specifically you. I ask that you respect my decisions and stop pushing where unnecessary. You will fucking get a read when I have time, ok?

[Noraa]

You were saying that I wouldn't be able to defend that I was town without any town meta and I replied something like "meta is trash and unreliable a lot of the time anyways so I don't see what's wrong with not having any"

1523 was saying I am normally happy and therefore active and attentive. This is personality not meta.

stop cutting up ur quotes to twist my words.

[Noraa]

VOTE: BM
VOTE: BM

u deserve the lim more than anyone else here.

[Noraa]

You've been nothing but condescendingly rude to me basically all of this game. I have every right to be salty about it.

[Noraa]

Mena where am I in ur reads?

[Noraa]

shelly claimed vt. that means she's either vt or scum. why do u think she's scum mena?

[Noraa]

okay, I'm going to have a think about this but my initial impression is still that I don't think it's adding up, and that you're changing your reads to keep them inline with general trends in the gamestate and are having difficulty explaining how you established certain reads or are giving very vague answers which allow you avoid responsibility or elaborating on what you precisely believed at certain points

I think that's it in terms of questions for you rn, I don't think there's anything fruitful to ask you further and I think it will just spam the thread up

thanks for responding tho

bc of this @noraa

well I mean ... shelly's landed scum like 7 games out of 10 or something. Her playstyle ending up being like this isn't particularly surprising if you ask me. Play too many scumgames and u start looking scummy as hell when ur in a town game.

[Noraa]

Its not but its also not a reason to SR her then

[Noraa]

one explanation: shelly's towngame looks like her scumgame because she's rolled scum a lot

second explanation: SHE'S LITERALLY JUST SCUM AGAIN

ur evidence is weak tho. u have nothing on her except her playstyle and that's literally how she is every single round. get some solid evidence and I'll sheep this vote.

[Noraa]

like are you serious rn

"she claimed VT so she's not a good flip"

are you high

I didn't say that lel

[Noraa]

I find it stupid that our top two day 1 lims are two people that are literally known for their scummy playstyles.

[Noraa]

one explanation: shelly's towngame looks like her scumgame because she's rolled scum a lot

second explanation: SHE'S LITERALLY JUST SCUM AGAIN

ur evidence is weak tho. u have nothing on her except her playstyle and that's literally how she is every single round. get some solid evidence and I'll sheep this vote.

yes, changing your reads because you perceive the game state is changing and that your position is about to become unpopular is so towny

yes, town reading someone and then IMMEDIATELY flipping that the second they start doubting you is towny

ur literally describing her damn playstyle :/

i seriously think if taylor or shelly are scum, it doesnt matter one jot if we flip them today. if both are scum, i think town is winning this game regardless, so who cares? let's flip teacher and be done with it.

what are you even saying lmao

dude stop posturing and vote teacher. when he flips scum, you can still get some towncred if you jump on board now.

we're not doing your vanity wagon so if you actually have any interest in helping town then get on shelly who YOU LITERALLY DECLARED INTENT ON YESTERDAY EVENING

Declaring intent on someone that you agree just has a scummy playstyle screams fishing for prs. Mena join me on the bm wagon.

[Noraa]

I think it's pretty obvious that BM is actively trying to push my buttons to make me say something that will get me banned/force repped and I think that's super fucking scummy incidentally as well as just bad sportsmanship

Ah someone understands how I feel finally

[Noraa]

Declaring intent on someone that you agree just has a scummy playstyle screams fishing for prs. Mena join me on the bm wagon.

if BM is scum why is he so invested in derailing shelly wagon now that she's claimed? could it be because perhaps *checks notes* they're partners?

*surprised pikachu face*
if you want a BM flip noraa, the best way to get it is flipping shelly!scum and then BM will be a lot easier to flip tomorrow

shelly's a null for me rn and I don't wish to flip her

[Noraa]

But shelly's play style is just like that. I haven't see anything AI for her yet

[Noraa]

I've been her scum partner and shallow meta dived her before and there are zero red flags here yet.

[Noraa]

please i'm just asking you both to stop

like this isn't productive this is just gonna get someone banned

please just stop

no, I don't think I've said anything out of line or harassing and I don't think BM has said anything along those lines to me

he's a scumfuck or he's actively antitown but I don't think anything rule breaking is happening here

it's not happening right now but it's heading in that direction as far as i can tell

Please tell BM to not post a smiley faces right after saying really provocative things. It makes it ten times more provocative.

[Noraa]

But shelly's play style is just like that. I haven't see anything AI for her yet

I have read shelly's towngame and her scumgame

her making shit up and flitting around to suit the way the wind is blowing is DEFINITELY evidence of her scumgame

not really. her towngames r like this too

[Noraa]

we're not liming her BECAUSE she claimed VT

we're liming her because VT wasn't a good enough reason to NOT lim her after how scummy she'd been up to that point

^^ this and bm your deflection isn't helping the case that you and shelly are not scum together

calling the scumteam today: {shelly/ico/bm}. this is my most viable scumteam right now and the weird flip flopping and posturing that both ico and bm have been doing with regards to the shelly wagon make me really strongly think that they are all working together

I don't agree with this scum team. Im fairly certain there is a scum within {shelly, ico} however they are never scum together.

[Noraa]

Menal why is shelly scum besides her playstyle?

[Noraa]

Ico isn't getting clowned today obviously and I'm not positive shelly is the scum in that pool

[Noraa]

Last ten pages was just Mena tunneling shelly for ??? reasons, Golden boy sheeping this for ??? reasons, BM coming in and provoking everyone for ??? reasons, Datisi nicely telling everyone to stfu, and me just being here

[Noraa]

Last ten pages was just Mena tunneling shelly for ??? reasons, Golden boy sheeping this for ??? reasons, BM coming in and provoking everyone for ??? reasons, Datisi nicely telling everyone to stfu, and me just being here

and nora clearly not actually reading cases for ??? reasons

nah I read them. The case on shelly and the case one teacher r pretty trash

[Noraa]

*on

[Noraa]

The teacher one is more trash obviously but I don't like the shelly one either

[Noraa]

The teacher one is more trash obviously but I don't like the shelly one either

and yet

you're "fairly certain" that there is scum in {icon, shelly}

and you won't vote shelly

explain this to me

I don't know which one it is and Shelly was my first scum partner so i will be giving her the benefit of the doubt and assume her to be the town half

[Noraa]

Last ten pages was just Mena tunneling shelly for ??? reasons, Golden boy sheeping this for ??? reasons, BM coming in and provoking everyone for ??? reasons, Datisi nicely telling everyone to stfu, and me just being here

and nora clearly not actually reading cases for ??? reasons

nah I read them. The case on shelly and the case one teacher r pretty trash

noraa work with me here what is a problem with the case on shelly other than "that's her playstyle" because we've pretty clearly established it goes beyond that

I don't think u have established that it goes beyond that

[Noraa]

is anybody else really excited for another 10 pages tomorrow of

was BM vs Menal S v T?

if its SvT ur the scum

[Noraa]

VOTE: noraa

this switch is bs but ok

[Noraa]

The switch is absolute bs ngl. u can't make me vote shelly so you vote me instead. stupidest reasoning I ever heard

[Noraa]

its great that bm loves sheeping votes on me tho

[Noraa]

told me he was voting someone else which made him less petty than me

[Noraa]

If mena and bm are both town, town is fucked is all I can say.

[Noraa]

noraa why are you being so obnoxious you're literally not even a newbie you have more total posts than i do and i was on a hiatus for like two years

at this point it's just "poor play" not "being a newbie" and i don't like it at all

don't attack my personality. Call it poor play if u want. I've played for a solid month and am carrying 6 games or something rn. I don't have zero experience definitely.
Dont call me obnoxious or annoying. that's rude.

[Noraa]

LOL mena if the towncred to lim shelly tmrw is what ur after, limming me is not the way to go lel.

[Noraa]

Noraas agreed to read up and give us her best attempt to define the alignment indicative stuff. Let's judge her on those reads.

Noora that post should be your priority as it could be your legacy to the game.

Ah I like how kindly this was stated as compared to other very rude posts. Ight I'll try to get it done today

[Noraa]

VOTE: noraa

ugh menal please go back on shelly nora is annoying but it's a policy lim at that point

nah, I think it's actually super super scummy that noraa is so avoidant here

I think her reasons for avoiding it are weak ("it's just her play style") and I think her saying "likely one scum in shelly/icon, but I don't think icon is happening today" combined with not voting there is scummy -- like if you really believe that you solve another slot by flipping one, you flip the one you can get and then work off that information. I think noraa has

excellent

scum equity with shelly and even aside from that I don't think her reluctance to be involved here is from town (if she's not partners, I think she's just afraid of limping onto a town wagon late esp with BM calling her out for that so publicly)

and if she does flip scum, she gets me the cred I need to do shelly tomorrow

you've sold me on this case. although i got newbtown vibes from noraa she isn't in fact a newbie and her post quality is deteriorating hard as she's getting pushed

pedit: @bm actually, to an extent, you're right; i was annoyed and let subjective feelings towards you get in the way of evaluating the case, and your case upon rereading was actually good, albeit a bit difficult to digest. i will say that i agreed most strongly with the first part of iamausername's case, which has parts that you don't have explicitly in your own, so that's why i said i appreciated the case so much. that being said, the order of magnitudes comment was rude and uncalled for and i apologize.

100% sheeping and buddying.

[Noraa]

My read'll come some time tonight or tomorrow. We'll see.

[Noraa]

wtf I haven't even dropped my reads. Wheres the copying reads part? and its real rich coming from someone who does have a bunch of reads that are all sheeped. What reason am I supposed to give? Can you give a reason on why ur town? no. exactly. If people don't wanna believe u, it doesn't matter what damn reason u come up with, it'll be perceived as a lie. This is why I am going to do some isos and reread to get a full on read together. Can you just be patient instead of attacking me right before I get my damn read together?

[Noraa]

Dude can you not chill ur butt? I told u my read's coming soon.
no part of ur read isn't sheeped at this point in time

[Noraa]

wdym?

[Noraa]

hm alright I'll keep that in mind. I changed my mind btw. I'll get my read in tmrw. tmrw I have a test and that's y imma just hang around for a hot ten ish minutes and then be off. After class ends tmrw, I'll have some time after tutoring to get my whole read together

[Noraa]

Btw Alonzo, I didn't realize that but yes ur explanation makes sense. I realized it immediately with BM bc he doesn't even try to hide the provoking but golden boy hides it well.

[Noraa]

Btw Alonzo, I didn't realize that but yes ur explanation makes sense. I realized it immediately with BM bc he doesn't even try to hide the provoking but golden boy hides it well.

Well there's gonna be ten people here calling you out over the next day or so, they can't all be scum so you need to read good so you can see the wood from the trees.

gotchu

[Noraa]

Noraa if you don't stop vanity voting BM or some other selfish wagon I'll keep voting you for the rest of the game and the blame is gonna be on you.

BM/Ico clearly isn't the elimination today by this point and we need any potential townies to use their vote to choose the more likely mafia option of what we've today. If Taylor was sitting on only one vote right now, I would do the same.

I was even thinking about voting shelly while catching up, but the wagon now seems to have dismantled/is harder to get through than Taylor. (I also enjoy Taylor wagon more either way...)

Anyhow, use your vote efficiently. Don't be a vote waster for selfish reasons.

don't threaten me and also I will be reading the entire thread over tomorrow and I will have my own reads based entirely upon what I see. Whether or not it will point me in the direction of scum!Taylor I cannot guarantee and we will have to wait and see.

[Noraa]

Be warned tho that my day 1 scum team guesses r generally hot garbage. In my only finished town game, my first guess for the scum game was two vanilla townies. I'll try my best to make my reads here better since this won't be my first town game. Anyways I'm off for the night and I'm actually looking forward to putting a full on read together tmrw

[Noraa]

*scum team

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

This post was written Friday night. I didn't check the thread until after shelly was hammered and didn't read up until my full reread on the game that night.

Rereading the entire thread here are my thoughts:

Datisi putting pressure on me over me saying he needed to justify his vote if it wasn't a rvs vote is strange. It's very strange bc in general votes need to be justified and putting pressure on a newb and making them feel like they weren't supposed to ask is just not rubbing the right way. Questioning my use of the terms antitown and scummy was definitely strange as well. Datisi's whole "let Bm look like the one tunneling while adding some pressure on Noraa "was a really really strange approach that doesn't strike me as towny ngl.


Bm being condescending and provocative doesn't seem to be AI. I meta dived or technically I literally read like the tiniest bit of his first game on site back in 2007 and people called him condescending and provocative. I think this may just be personality/playstyle so as much as I'm still a bit salty, I will try to be open minded about this when rereading.

Bob came in and joined in putting pressure on me. So alright I admit after the first few days of day one, I in a way, kinda stopped trying. I felt greatly discouraged and honestly just wanted to replace out. However rereading I personally do not think I was being antitown or scummy at the time as I had not given up on the game that early. So anyone that joined in putting pressure on me is definitely in my slight scum lean list.

Bm's whole thing about not liking to lie and not caring about anyone's opinion except his own is a strange post to make day 1. It's just very .... strange and I dont understand why scum or town would say something like this tbh.

So Bob continues to be active but not inputting much useful info. It seems he is siding with bm in the bmvnoraa thing but is mostly dealing in fluff anyways. he is not trying to get too involved and is trying to extend rvs in a way.

Mena popping in and saying BmvNoraa, something that happened in the first 5 pages, is TvS is VERY scummy. I absolutely hate that. It almost feels like scum TMIing and trying to set up two mislims bc they know both bm and I are town. If bm is Mena's scum partner, he wouldn't say that. this is why Mena and BM aren't scum together imo. Mena's flipflopping between me and bm is concerning as well.

Post #166 was when I started giving up. Everything before post 166 was when I believe I was giving this game my normal which is a ton a ton of attention and thought. After this I was considering just lurking or replacing out because I was pretty upset about how things were playing out and felt low-key bullied over nothing cuz as I said, I gave it my normal and the responses I got weren't nice especially from bm. Btw dont tell me wanting to lurk or replace out is scummy bc I seriously was upset about it. I have zero games, finished or ongoing where I actively lurk. My post counts are generally the highest and I'm spammy as hell normally. This game truly upset me and there's nothing more to that.

Taylor comes in and immediately takes my side which I can definitely see as trying to pocket. Taylor has been in games with me and I think anyone thats been in a game with me before can 100% tell that I was actually quite upset. And since I'm a pretty emotionally driven person, when I'm upset is the perfect time for scum to come pocket.

Back to Mena. Mena's Fos on BM just looks OMGUSy to me. The change to me isn't well justified either. I think the flip floppiness is actually a town tell as the entire thing was quite confusing if I do say so myself. towns reaction should be confusion imo. I was in it myself so I got a different view on things but I think a normal townies reaction should be to be confused. Mena is in my town book for townie confusion.

Post 199 feels town. Taylor was JKer in one of the games I finished with her. I'm getting the same vibes from there here so Taylor is in my early town book as well for meta reasons. Another thing is that Taylor seems quite a bit emotionally driven this game and that is 100% a town tell for her.

Piis entrance strikes me as town here. The post covers a little bit of everything, had some good reasons, didn't tunnel or focus on anything specifically yet, and had a nice summary. Pii in my early town book as well for this very towny sounding first post.

TGP's entrance is a terrible look. It reeks of scumminess. TGP thinks tunneling is scummy whereas I actually am fairly certain that tunneling is actually something town unintentionally does. TGP also calls me confident when all of my reads are very uncertain and very not confident. I feel like this is scum just twisting everything up to make some scumtells out of nothing.

Shelly I honestly felt was pretty scummy this round but I will not state anything on her since we already got a flip and she was town.

Alonzo is one of the people that caught my attention even in my ~salty~ phase and still is in my town book. The reasoning is that most his perspectives I think are much more likely to come from town than scum. The mena SR coming in wasn't scummy bc scums easiest thing to do is choose one out of {Bm, Noraa} and yeet them to hell. Alonzo's unvote soon after makes me really like thinking of that slot as town bc I also started off SRing mena but then TRing.

Teacher's entrance is a load of fluff which is an interesting take considering we moved out of rvs pretty fast and he was a bit late entering. The more you see of teacher, the more towny he seems. He moves into good questions really fast and almost all of his questions prompt or try to prompt good discussion that move the game forward. Town book. Strong TR.

Ico's entrance was ... interesting and gave me a null read on them but then their switch from mena to me and then off of me was very scummy. I felt like Ico came in and tried to pocket me(defends me all over the place despite saying they didn't want to take a defensive stance on me) but then realized I was great limbait and decided to start setting me up to be the day 1 lim. Ico pushes that NoraavBM is TvT but then flips and calls me scum. Idk I dont like the flip flopping.

Datisi focuses on me too much. His ISO reflects it and I find it scummy. It looks like very low-key tunneling that hidden really well.

iamausername is a null read. Idk not much to say there. Their reads r interesting takes and I generally agree with them but I'm not feeling immense towniness here so I think they belong in null.

Bob lurks a lil. cherry picks interesting things to reply to.

Datisi tunnels quite a bit imo. I think he'll go to my town lean for that.

TGP's switch from Noraa to BM is terrible. I hatehatehatehate. Switch to shelly over one post is scummy as well. Sheeps some newbtown reads on me. Strong SR now. Backtracks and says the TR on me is weak and I basically shouldn't question it otherwise it'll disappear. The post was a bit of a "threat" TGP is also very fence sitty as shown in post 650.

Bob clings to BMvNoraa. Reasserts my slight scum lean. He never tries to solve anything else.

see posts like 630 are why I dislike BM.

I admit I got a bit tired rereading so I ended up skimming a lot of the in between pages. 84 pages is a lot and it took me ~3 hours to read it all even when more than half was skimmed.

Scum:

Ico, Bob, Datisi, BM, TGP (in no particular order)

Null:

Iamausername

Town:
Mena, Taylor, Pii/Bunno, Alonzo, Teacher (in no particular order)


Most scum: TGP(even tho their posts got better later)

Most town: Alonzo/Teacher

Added on Sunday:
Holy fuck that flash wagon on Taylor... y'all literally hammered before I took one look at the thread. I logged onto ms and saw mod's pm that day 2 had started, checked the thread and it was locked. I thought mod hadn't opened thread yet until I saw the thread was night phase and Taylor was limmed in a literal 3 pages or something. Bm is confscum so that's our lim today but even tho its decided, we have to talk things thru bc we already mislimmed twice and wasted away day 2's time. We can't let scum!BM self hammer and waste our discussion time.

[Noraa]

And now that the night kill was bm, I'll have to reassess some things
*sigh*

[Noraa]

But also I dont understand why scum would ever nk BM considering town would've pushed really hard for a lim on him today...
yeah im a bit weirded out about this and cant seem to think of an explanation that makes sense here.

[Noraa]

Idk someone help?
A wild Noraa is lost

[Noraa]

AHA I posted before i even got a pm from mod lel.

It went to the top of my "view ur posts"

[Noraa]

I think scum has some sort of wonky manipulative role or something
otherwise BMvTaylor makes zero sense

[Noraa]

Also I will literally die before believing scum would kill BM. I literally wasn't present for any of day 2 but after rereading knowing that Taylor was town, I was 100% down for a BM lim today. I think everyone else thought the same as well.

I am so confident in this bc I was thinking I was gonna rock BM's shit day 3 and get a lim on scum!BM. The town flip was so unexpected I didnt even know if I read the mod post right. Thats the level of certainty and thats why I think scum are either extremely stupid or a vig killed bm

[Noraa]

idk but I remember being like holy fuck I was right BM is scum. And it was literally one of my most confident reads that I'd ever had. I was so convinced TaylorvBM was TvS that I couldn't believe it myself cuz trust me when I say im normally not confident in my reads ... like ever.

[Noraa]

Ok hold up guys. I haven't been keeping track of votes but please no one put anyone at E-1 bc that gives scum opportunity to quickhammer. we already wasted day 1 and 2. let's be more careful on day 3.