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[Gamma Emerald]

let's put it to the test:

I am town.

What do you think?

claiming town on the first page? the scumminess is strong within this one!

VOTE: TGP
Not the first page lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Since this is a board game mafia game I suggest we all fill out this questionnaire:


1) What is your Favorite Board Game?
2) Favorite memory playing Board Games?
3) If you could live in the universe of a Board Game - which one would it be?
4) If you were stuck on a desert island with a few friends - and a large supply of food and water - which one board game would you like to have to play while you wait for rescue?
5) If you could pick one board game to never exist - what would it be?

1) Betrayal At House on the Hill
2) At the end of a Monopoly game my mom iirc said, “suck it Donald Trump!”
3) Game of Life, since it’s basically normal
4) give us a deck of cards, there’s so many options so we’d never get tired of playing.
5) Chutes and Ladders, it’s so basic

[Gamma Emerald]

RQS = pooky confirmed scum
also BM you’re close but not exact

Is this serious?

[Gamma Emerald]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12192119]post 119[/url], osuka"][quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12191155]post 65[/url], arachnidsGrip"][color=#005682]I need to sleep as well. This game is very hard to parse right now with how exhausted I am. I really want to see what 8attle Mage does next with this claim, I am somewhat confused as to why it was made.[/color][/quote]
can you please stop coloring your posts? it's giving me a scratch at the roof of my mouth i can only seem to scratch with a shotgun[/quote]
I think there's a way to disable it by turning off BBCode, but it also bungles voting formatting I think...?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok no I just tested it, it only affects your own posts

[Gamma Emerald]

though you could request a personal PT and just paste AG's posts in there and disable the formatting

[Gamma Emerald]

3) clue because i am of status/money enough to live in a cool mansion.

You'd want to live in a murder mansion ? :O

I'm more concerned about the blackmail that would be involved

[Gamma Emerald]

Since this is a board game mafia game I suggest we all fill out this questionnaire:

anyways im not filling this out, maaaaaybe postgame but RQS is bad imo

there are Statistics that prove RQS is often done by scum

can you show me? I'm not exactly gonna dispute that, but I'd like a background on the math and/or what the motivation is

[Gamma Emerald]

besides, if you SR mini for replying to non game related content I think gammas ISO contains the same amount of content

also bob why did you switch from dong -> BM -> dong

I did make a vote that was meant to drive things a little, but this is a fair assessment of me as I was

[Gamma Emerald]

it looks fine on mafBlack at least

[Gamma Emerald]

though you could request a personal PT and just paste AG's posts in there and disable the formatting

at that point i'd just put my garbage tier javascript at work and write a userscript to unfuck her posts, but that's honestly way more effort than i should put into making a game readable.

asking

should do the trick, no? one would think?

As the mod said, asking the player to change it won't do anything. I think you should probably use your script to rectify it, that seems like the least invasive thing to do.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah why would you do that

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah that's just being a dick, don't do that
you're kinda coming off as "no fun allowed"

[Gamma Emerald]

I may just be used to it due to knowing the source material, but it's not a challenge for me at all.
You say it causes problems for low-brightness displays and visually-impaired users, I assume you fit one or both categories?

Anyway this is dragging on a bit. You wanna talk game stuff at all? I feel notoriously underwhelmed by what's happened so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have the issue where doing that caused my eyes to tear up and get irritated but that just means I need to unplug for a bit, sure lowering brightness can help but I find it much better to just take a break

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m kinda not getting the Shelly discussion
TD rasas is probably Town though

[Gamma Emerald]

Ydrasse, not whatever garbage string of letters I just coughed up

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant Ydrasse is town

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I’m not really engaged in this game on any level, it just seems like it’s mostly non-content posting and the content that does exist I’m having trouble grasping in a meaningful way

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not TRing golden, that was a typo
Ydrasse I like the way she’s pushing things, in a game as slow as this what she is doing helps

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven’t really seen the actual efforts from you 2 that I’ve seen from Ydrasse, despite you being the top 2 posters

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess at this point yes you have shown such effort, but at that point I hadn’t really seen it from you

[Gamma Emerald]

also, backtracking on golden isn’t essentially the greatest look ever

can we shift the convo back to ydrasse: why do you think ydrasse high efforting this is town!AI especially with this cool plist
Do you acknowledge that ydrasse isnt trying to solve, they’re trying to prod mini into talking and after mini talks, they don’t make a read on mini or give their thoughts at all

I didn't backtrack on Golden,

I never intended to express a townread on him ever there, at all.

Not happy with you ignoring me saying that.

[Gamma Emerald]

and no we cannot shift to Ydrasse because you're verging on obsessive about it

[Gamma Emerald]

@bob according to your wagonomics what do you think ydrasses alignment is? I see no comment about ydrasse there

I’m thinking if this is a warlock or something with the hostility towards me hmmmmm

I think im 5dchessing myself here but spitballing my thoughts, the effort from bob with analysis is probably town!AI

nothing can realy be determined alignment based on current gamstate. could go either way. Scum not pushing scum or scum choosing to push another town wagon are equally likely

seems like you think ydrasse is scum based on it though? Or did you put a scum where you meant to put a town?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna leave my vote on TGP rn to kinda spite shelly

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm toying with it, I'm kinda reminded of another game that did have a very fast d1 execute on scum, the first day phase was pretty sparse for content but town still won despite that, I think my challenges with being engaged are pointing to there being some fundamental similarities, which end up pointing to shelly being scum for about the reasons everyone else is expressing

tbh I think at this point I've made my point so I'll do it VOTE: shelly

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I think I should review the D1 events of that other game I cited

[Gamma Emerald]

ah screw it, nothing else is happening. and i dont agree with reasoning above - unopposed wagon like that flips scum a lot.

VOTE: shelly

having looked at that other game I think a shelly scumflip implicates BM a little bit, I noticed the one busser was initially hesitant to vote their scumbuddy, and this rings the same bell for me

[Gamma Emerald]

how does that indicate that
Do I have to spell out every god damn intricacy of my posts? I think that if shelly flips scum BM's scum equity goes up

[Gamma Emerald]

no??? why would you ever expect me to say yes?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay -_-
do you want me to talk about it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I’m not impressed by you missing something that should be fucking obvious, and you also kinda feel a bit like your scumplay in this game aorn

[Gamma Emerald]

Real. I’m legit miffed I had to answer such an asinine question.

[Gamma Emerald]

who are the scum that drove it then?

[Gamma Emerald]

mini megabyte and battle mage are good places to start. probably TGP too

idrk how minimega drove it but the others make at least a little sense

[Gamma Emerald]

TGP's flip should indicate the wagon was heavily scum-driven - I think that's more likely in the scenario that Ydrasse is town rather than mafia as there's no reason for mafia to want to escalate Ydra/Shelly if it was T/S.

i didn't draw that conclusion about TGP's flip.

I'm guessing there's some weird rules in this game where scum can kill their teammates? or a vig i guess, but less likely...

No-elim then?

WHY?

[Gamma Emerald]

otherwise we have somesort of town role but not doc. since a scum doc is confirmed it has to be somethign else.

No it really doesn’t?

[Gamma Emerald]

In theory, Osuka can be in the first group, but i think that’s likely green and that a second red would be in the 3 I listed.

While reading overnight, I read Golden and Gamma as scum.

I find it preposterous you SR me given my play at the end of D1. I think that’s something you would be able to clearly see as Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

This setup is

wild

my guy

I don’t doubt it but I can’t help but feel you’re hinting at something. Why are you doing that? This question is mostly rhetorical.

[Gamma Emerald]

I acknowledge your read on me isn’t currently a scumread, but I still feel concerned that you didn’t even really acknowledge the fact I referenced a game you modded (I don’t recall ever making it obvious, but I think you would have made the connection). In addition why does being proven right make you reconsider your read on me? What anti-partner tells did you see between me and TGP?

[Gamma Emerald]

That makes sense...I think. I still am curious how someone flipping as you expect = re-evaluating, especially on D2.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Taylor Swift

[Gamma Emerald]

The shade though. Which people on the coattails should flavor be looking at? You got me, Gamma, and Bob i think? I feel pretty good about that group

i think more you and bob, Gamma looked more like self-preservation? and i don't share your confidence about either of you.

why would self-pres be a reason to not look at me?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think BM is reacting rather poorly to Flavor, BM seems a bit locked into defense mode, which I think is kinda scummy, like he doesn't want to give Flavor any traction

[Gamma Emerald]

Notice the nitpicking nature of BM’s discrediting style. Anything relating wagonomics and the weight of the wagon momentum got completely ignored.

Yeah that's why I said he's trying to avoid giving you traction. He's attacking whatever he can find relentlessly rather than trying to really determine whether you're acting in good faith.

@Flavor I'm following your logic. As for which of them is scum, I'd say BM leans scum more rn. Even if Tay is town it still serves BM to attempt to derail you now, as it makes Tay look bad.

[Gamma Emerald]

BM and flavor leaf have my two least favorite play styles ive seen. both of you please avoid games you see me in from now on.

flavor leaf just screams really loudly until everyone listens and BM is BM.

Ok now I definitely think Flavor is 100% right. The way Tay deals with BM here screams distancing

[Gamma Emerald]

why did you originally vote BM then

[Gamma Emerald]

@Taylor - it looks like you actively avoided Shelly because your partners were on it. Like that’s just what it looks likes, I’m sorry. You might be town in this scenario, I can see it. But like, oh my gosh, this just sucks so much if you’re town both alignments really.

tbh this checks out as a motive for Tay to bus too, just because it would look odd optically

[Gamma Emerald]

@Taylor - it looks like you actively avoided Shelly because your partners were on it. Like that’s just what it looks likes, I’m sorry. You might be town in this scenario, I can see it. But like, oh my gosh, this just sucks so much if you’re town both alignments really.

tbh this checks out as a motive for Tay to bus too, just because it would look odd optically

I think I mentioned this earlier too.

Yeah, I think we’re at an alright spot.

I’m okay with the wagon, and I do think TS should be before BM because it looks like there was energy going around to get BM first, but Gamma went to Tay swizzles too.

Gamma, if you’re pocketing me I definitely deserve it, but damn it!

I was torn on which way to go, I went Tay because I wanted unified energy in the end

[Gamma Emerald]

is anyone else noticing a pattern of FL ignoring the substance of my posts and responding to the fringy bits?

i feel your pain

i am so demotivated for this game right now. hopefully a bunch of people die quickly and it will be easier to actually do something constructive.

Megayikes

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Battle Mage
Even if you weren’t already suspicious that post alone is ultra scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Would it be helpful if I explained?

[Gamma Emerald]

The things he expresses in that post seem like they come from a scum POV. He says he’s demotivated, and that his motivation will likely return once the numbers whittle down. That suggests the fact the nightkill essentially got NO U’ed (since a scum got vigged and the scum kill failed to go through) killed his motivation, which is not a town thing to feel, and in addition he wants to wait until presumably the numbers are back in scum’s favor. This also syncs with the weirdness of his first post of the day, scrambling to handle the tables turning on him.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think there's 3 more scum. Or they have some really special powers. This feels townsided.

For a vig and a doc/rb? Not that OP imo. I’d expect one or two more Town PRs tbh with a scum doc having flipped already

[Gamma Emerald]

I think BM is reacting rather poorly to Flavor, BM seems a bit locked into defense mode, which I think is kinda scummy, like he doesn't want to give Flavor any traction

this is weird. if you disagree with a push, especially if you think it's scummy, why would you let it get any traction?

If BM were town, I’d expect him to work with FL to move FL’s target elsewhere. Instead he’s trying to stop FL head on. That suggests guilt imo, since BM probably doesn’t have a good answer to who is scummier than him

[Gamma Emerald]

Is the whole next few pages just setup spec, because if so I’m gonna skip it

[Gamma Emerald]

wait what

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you prolly missed a few things bud.

I'm sure I did

Should I be claiming rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

honestly if this were any other game the massclaim would piss me off but rn this is my mood

[Gamma Emerald]

FL: Vig
Johnny: Informed Miller
Taylor: VT
BM: VT

Gamma/Pooky, since you here, wanna claim?

I'm a VT
...or am I?

[Gamma Emerald]

honestly if this were any other game the massclaim would piss me off but rn this is my mood

This is the exact time to use Mass Claim, people just don’t know how to use mass claim o their advantage unless it slaps them in the face.

I agree with Gamma. This isn't a good time to mass claim, but i've basically written this one off for my own sanity.

I think in an average game it wouldn’t be a good time, but with certain things already out it’s better to solve the puzzle now vs. later. Plus just generic tiredness.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd refrain from lynching the cop today.

Tonight we either get a result or a dead cop.

very valid point

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda wanna ask some questions but I think I'm good to just let things happen

[Gamma Emerald]

what the frig is this setup

[Gamma Emerald]

FL: Vig
Johnny: Informed Miller
Taylor: Tracker
BM: VT
Pooky: VT
Gamma: VT
Bob: Gunsmith
Mini: Cop
Osuka: VT
Creature: VT
Ydrasse: Protective
Golden: Roleblocker
Shelly: VT


VT - Shelly
VT -
VT
VT
VT or Tracker
Odd-Night Vig - Flavor
Odd-Night Doctor - Ydrasse
Even-Night Cop - Mini
Gunsmith - Bob
Informed Miller - Johnny

Even Night Roleblocker - Golden
Odd Night Doctor
Goon

Confirmed to have 4 or 5 VT’s this game.

I think 5 VTs is more likely, I don't think I've really ever seen a setup where the PRs outnumbered VTs in situation where funky setup shenanigans wasn't the goal. Plus I think the only claim that isn't odd/even at this point is the tracker claim.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw johnny claimed informed, what's his info

[Gamma Emerald]

btw johnny claimed informed, what's his info

5 guns in the game total.

Which is Myself, Bob, Mini, and the 2 scum with guns.

Ydrasse targeted Johnny, and Ydrasse is conf town, and has actual reason to have went there, and i think it makes sense that Dongen/Johnny was shot because Ydrasse was in a good spot to get setup for today.

I kinda wanna try to theorycraft a losing scenario for town, because I don't think there is one and if it exists I want to avoid it

[Gamma Emerald]

Taylor trying not to be gunsmithed originally also boosts her likelihood of her not being the Mafia Doctor, by the way.

In addition to the fact that if she is scum, I thought she was the one who got doctored, so I think Bob on Taylor is the play.

We fade in Creature or Gamma.

Mini Investigates Pooky.

Then Taylor tracks within Osuka, Battle Mage, and then Creature/Gamma.

I personally think Battle Mage is okay to be one of the people not taken care of in the beginning.

what
why are you suggesting me/creature be taken out first, when you've been SRing BM?

[Gamma Emerald]

fucking hell Flavor
I'm carrying a shredder with me from now on so if you try to pull out a card indicating you can read me I can shred it on sight. You can't say you can read me if your read flips nigh instantaneously.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think I would raise this much fuss as scum over a massclaim if I was specifically gonna go with it like I did this game
I either gripe about it way harder or comply near instantly
As town I generally tend to be picky about when and how massclaims happen, sometimes to my detriment.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: osuka

[Gamma Emerald]

im conftown now? sweet, now i can live my dream of being NKed.

nope

also presumably this makes Taylor confscum, so why she not dead?

nope

VOTE: johnnyfarrar

Hell naw.
VOTE: BM

[Gamma Emerald]

im conftown now? sweet, now i can live my dream of being NKed.

nope

also presumably this makes Taylor confscum, so why she not dead?

nope

VOTE: johnnyfarrar

Hell naw.
VOTE: BM

you are claiming scum here? excellent

I’d say you are the one claiming scum by falsely suggesting you are conftown while pushing actual conftown

[Gamma Emerald]

I saw Mini confirm where his action is and Taylor’s behavior is enough to confirm hers. Someone show me where Bob marked his down? I’ll vote osuka the moment I see it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Unfortunately for you, clearly none of you can read me

I think ts fake claimed

do you think she is town or scum though? ts fakeclaiming is NAI.

Stop being a shit stirrer, I’m tired of hearing your smearing of Taylor

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't care if it's her gimmick or not, you constantly pressing it drags the game down.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying to figure out who doctor should be on tonight (plus other actions)

I think Tay being conf'ed as no gun clears her

[Gamma Emerald]

Taylor and BM are not partners confirmed. I like that, I was town reading Battle Mage anyways now, so that's good.

Taylor is a little townier now because I expected them to not be Maf Doctor if they are scum, but they still have that chance.

Gamma
Pooky
Creature
Taylor
Battle Mage

I personally town read Battle Mage, and I want to town read Taylor.

I say fade Gamma. If Gamma flips town, then it's in the 4, one will be shot, then it'll be in the 3. and I just think BM is town here. so it'll be in the 2 left in the POE alive, meaning if we don't hit scum, then we still win if BM is town.

And honestly, I think Gamma flips scum.

If Gamma is scum doctor, then Battle Mage and Taylor are CONFIRMED town, meaning final scum is in Creature/Pooky.

If Gamma is scum not doctor, then damn scum is in the 4, but we have a pretty good scenario going,.

Okay, so here's what I think the plan should be.

If Gamma flips scum doctor, gunsmith Pooky, I'm shooting Creature. Ydrasse doctors Bob.
If Gamma flips scum not doctor, gunsmith becomes irrelevant, I'm shooting Taylor. Ydrasse doctors Flavor Leaf.
If Gamma is town, gunsmith Creature, I'm shooting Taylor. Ydrasse doctors 1 of me and Bob, they don't say it out loud.

In theory, if Battle Mage is town, this always wins us the game, but this is a big if.

I personally think the team is Creature and Gamma or Gamma and Taylor.

I have a plan in mind that should at least maximize town’s chances to win. DO NOT end the day before I can spell it out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pretty much the big thing I need to figure out is what the full plan should be on a VT flip.

One thing I haven’t considered at this point is actually is whether limming someone who can only be mafdoc or VT is better than limming a possible nondoc scum. If we vote out the nondoc we land in a situation where there is no effective path to autowin.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t want a “funny” outcome, I want a damn win

[Gamma Emerald]

And like, we have 6 whole days. We can break this setup.
@Pooky very much, yes.

[Gamma Emerald]

And like, we have 6 whole days. We can break this setup.
@Pooky very much, yes.

I don’t understand your hold up.

Already have broken it to its max potential.

There’s a lot of moving parts in the case a VT is voted out.

What do we lose by taking a few days? What does scum gain?

[Gamma Emerald]

What happens in the case the vig shot is stopped by scum doc?
What’s the best way to utilize a no gun result within the remaining unchecked suspects?
Is it possible to turn a VT elimination into an assured town win?

I’m trying to think 3 steps ahead here. Nothing will stand in the way of my Mechanical Condamnation.

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s more to a kill being stopped by scum doc than you’ve probably thought of. Think about what it might say for some player’s alignments. Doctors have a specific restriction to what they can do that makes things very interesting.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m sure you can figure it out. Think about how doctors work mechanically. What can they NEVER do, at least in a normal?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok I can sort of see what you're getting at but that's like an absurdly long shot and requires things that are unlikely to happen in any time-stream.

Who do you think Flavor should target tonight on a VT flip?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the choices should be within BM and Tay in that case.

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I really think Creature is town by play so the only way I accept a plan before I figure out what I'm working on is if he's the proposed survivor.

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I really think Creature is town by play so the only way I accept a plan before I figure out what I'm working on is if he's the proposed survivor.

interesting

what has creature done to make you sure he is town?

Contribute to discussion. Like, a LOT. Flavor said it before, if Creature is scum this game, he's come a long way. Creature is the only person I will accept losing to.

[Gamma Emerald]

Or he sees you letting BM pass you by and is fine getting wasted as long as his pal can get by you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to see Taylor do this (if she's scum):

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma-Battle Mage
Pooky-Creature
Taylor-Battle Mage

Don’t make sense as teams or are cleared.

Gamma/Creature
Gamma/Taylor
Gamma/Pooky - this one is now less likely.
Pooky/Battle Mage
Creature/Battle Mage? Is this one possible?

Where's Tay-Pooky and Tay-Creature in this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Taylor/Creature is unlikely because both were off Shelly, but I guess possible. This is dealt with, though, because Battle Mage/Taylor can’t be partners.

how?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma-Battle Mage
Pooky-Creature
Taylor-Battle Mage

Don’t make sense as teams or are cleared.

Gamma/Creature
Gamma/Taylor
Gamma/Pooky - this one is now less likely.
Pooky/Battle Mage
Creature/Battle Mage? Is this one possible?

Where's Tay-Pooky and Tay-Creature in this?

They don't win in my plan because Creature gets gunsmithed, and Taylor is no gun cleared.

Why doesn’t Pooky/Creature make sense?

[Gamma Emerald]

So uhhh
That Day 2 massclaim, amirite?

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor you played right into scum’s fucking hands

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m just gonna be super fucking bitter if I can’t make use of the lesson I got from this game

[Gamma Emerald]

town never has the same roles as scum

not always true.