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[shellyc]

why do mods start games at 2am smh

VOTE: Ydrasse

don’t have time to read the 4 pages yet

[shellyc]

RQS = pooky confirmed scum
also BM you’re close but not exact

[shellyc]

VOTE: shellyc confscum

NO U

if its pooky/osuka/ydrasse im putting this in my signature postgame

[shellyc]

random questioning stage

Anyways my Ydrasse vote is only semi-RVS, as that was the only ISO ive looked at (still at work and im not high efforting this just yet) and I dont get the obvtown vibe from them(as town they’re a bit more.. Idk how to put this but its a matter of gut tbh.

[shellyc]

don't forget, it might be 2am where you are, but it will be a different time for other people depending on where they live!

was joking as always

i think BMs presence in thread and pushing mini is decently townie

[shellyc]

I really want to see what 8attle Mage does next with this claim, I am somewhat confused as to why it was made.

arachnis is this your first game out of newbies? BMs signature move is the VT lolclaim and its very wifomy but it leans town since it disredits a rolefish attempt from scum!BM later

[shellyc]

Is this serious?

maybe, im a fan of my lolreads :trademarked:

[shellyc]

however, i want to ask: shelly, what's your opinion on 76? it looks like you might've missed it and it renders your point about the claim being towny null.

retracting is null
claiming it is town

net TR

[shellyc]

mini, what are your thoughts so far? you answered this but haven't posted anything other than your rvs (?) vote so like, you're reading the thread bare minimum.

prodding lurkers to give their thoughts is an easy way to get towncred, +5 scumpoints here

semi-RVS vote now officially Super Serious

[shellyc]

ydrasse are you town

answer this in full honestly or I will be very Disappointed

anyways, megabyte is pretty low-activity even as town, and have decent reads though often LHF. they’re a very good lim target in my scumgame vs town!megabyte experiences

[shellyc]

Since this is a board game mafia game I suggest we all fill out this questionnaire:

anyways im not filling this out, maaaaaybe postgame but RQS is bad imo

there are Statistics that prove RQS is often done by scum

[shellyc]

If shes scum, theres no way we deduce that, so hop on!

im more than satisfied by my reputation so far

but I hate this mod they gave me a green role PM, this plist looked super fun to roll scum with

[shellyc]

no I don’t believe that at all

VOTE: Ydrasse

VOTE: Ydrasse

VOTE: Ydrasse

I hardclaim town multitasking triplevoter jailkeeper vigilante daycop and ydrasse returned red

[shellyc]

reads
iv townie, I think the engagement with BM is very genuine + I think they're actually solving not LAMISTing (scum!IV is very LAMIST)
BM townie explained
ydrasse scum explained
megabyte LHF vibes especially with the hostility from the plist, not replying to game related stuff is NAI at best
I feel like osuka is town (gut read)

[shellyc]

...okay?

artificial response

stfu you’re caught scum

[shellyc]

besides, if you SR mini for replying to non game related content I think gammas ISO contains the same amount of content

also bob why did you switch from dong -> BM -> dong

[shellyc]

why are you the way you are

all town vote ydrasse

how is this a town response

[shellyc]

What do you know, so do i
VOTE: Ydrasse

dongempire is locktown for this vote btw

dong talk to me about how you reached this conclusion

[shellyc]

she is just jealous of our love <3

im jealous about how you two got to roll scum together and I got town

scum is way better than town

[shellyc]

hmmmmmmm I didnt look at timestamps

but if you think “is this serious” is a very game advancing question I want you to rethink things

you’re still red though

[shellyc]

no, but I read newbie 2024 in an attempt to meta-research

[shellyc]

ydrasse entertain me and give me how you think you play as both alignments if you don’t mind, this is optional but would be of great help

gut scumpings on Taylor but pretty much nothing concrete yet

[shellyc]

why are you even talking to her if she's lock-scum in your opinion?

do you know I was baiting a reaction pooky, is this TMI and is pooky/ydrasse a solve

Taylor LHF = easily miselimable, I can eaasily miselim town!megabyte if I was scum...

[shellyc]

i'm less prone to offering game-content though as a whole so i don't get caught out.

what is what you’re doing here

its weird how your town description is almost verbatim of how I would describe my scumplay and vice versa
I have been elimed d1 as town quite a fair bit now

[shellyc]

also, daddy

[shellyc]

no, ydrasse is my tunnel and the tunnel shall be ydrasse

you’re safe, sit back and enjoy the ride

do I always have gut scumpings on you for some reasons. guess my gut just hates the username Tayl0r Swift

[shellyc]

Another reason why meta is trash is because you’re aware of it.

I read through launch mob and this is one of your posts

@battle mage: regarding your 110

1) what makes post 31 awkward? i don't really see how it feels out of place.

2) the way you're viewing post 42 feels at odds with your view on post 39. isn't midway outing a towny gutread being liberal with his allegiences?

which is almost verbatim what you’re doing now

pedit: pushing is my go-to way of solving, have faith in my pushes

[shellyc]

pooky throwing early shade of me instead of talking about ydrasse. +3 scumpoints

I have a spreadsheet that keeps track of these stuff

[shellyc]

how much is it out of

good luck

to all the people that havent played with me im obsessed with death tunnelling and can never chill out until we finally get scum
im trying to work on this but I still have tunnelling tendencies

[shellyc]

im also quite exaggerative.

meh I think you’re scum only with ydrasse ever, and tbh when reading your iso it looked like nullish town


pedit
one way to play scum is calculated inaction
I tend to think the usage of meta varies by person for example idrt megabyte is actually self aware about their meta and there’s a consistent being LHF in all of their towngames: low activity etc.

[shellyc]

so I was unaware 8-shot prince all along, what is NRG doing passing so townsided setups

[shellyc]

as scum it is possible to win by fluffposting and exaggerating your contributions to the gamestate. and posting pages of lamisty stuff. ive done that once

pedit: hyperbole isnt a very good strategy either

[shellyc]

@pooky throwing out reads and tunnelling and being exaggerative are all NAI.

and im pretty bored and want to high effort this now

[shellyc]

im gonna not post here for 12 hours at least for now.
im sorry that im overexcited with this plist, and I would like to make it clear that im not trying to strategically play in an anti-town way.

pooky we seem to have different ideas of what reaction testing even is, and im just going to leave it at that.

[shellyc]

why is mini still not posting game advancing things

Osuka/pooky/bm are all town here

can you like explain why instead of sheeping my TRs

regarding the prodding lurkers to give their thoughts I see scum doing it more than town, its a very lamist-y thing but feel free to disagree

[shellyc]

@bob whats your thoughts on osuka/pooky/bm slots

[shellyc]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

do you have a single read

[shellyc]

uhhh bob who are you referring to though?

[shellyc]

mine

[shellyc]

Well that was close

meh bob I’ll trust your judgement and I know your read accuracy is pretty high

the first time I saw ydrasse post I pretty much had the same reaction as bob, just I have logical lapses in that I cant really detail all my thought processes

[shellyc]

Why do you want to trust ydrasse if you don’t have a meta read on them?

is that gut?

Ydrasse pressure -> pooky interactions with me and ydrasse -> osuka interactions saying that case is bad = moving out of RVS.

[shellyc]

ftr fence-sitting is quite the newbscum tell so don’t know what to make out of this yet

do you have any more, no matter if they are alignment indicative or reads or what not, thoughts on the interactions?

[shellyc]

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

SR for personality and looking at others reads

pretty decent work TGP

[shellyc]

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

Well that was close

meh bob I’ll trust your judgement and I know your read accuracy is pretty high

the first time I saw ydrasse post I pretty much had the same reaction as bob, just I have logical lapses in that I cant really detail all my thought processes

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a

weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says

. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

huh I never stopped pushing ydrasse????
explain the bold. As i dont see her distancing from her own reads. At most shelly is saying that she trust me when i say that the start of day one is best used to town hunt.

hm, maybe i'm mistaken about that part? 227 looked like to me a "okay i'll stop pushing ydrasse because i trust bob" which feels off to me in a game where she hasn't said she TRs you and she shouldn't be explicitly trusting people this early into d1. dk, felt off to me.

[shellyc]

I guess i'd also go with ydrasse town. Her reaction to pressure didnt seem forced.

can you elaborate on this instead of just giving a townbin

ydrasse has played with me and knows I like to push things and tunnel

[shellyc]

This could quite possibly be true a lot of us know their difficulty in rolling town

no its not smh

plist hostility towards me is obviously confirming me as town, scum bussing super early d1 is near-impossible

[shellyc]

Nope. I dont like this. To me doesnt seem very townlike

the key question

why?

scumreading me for a lolclaim is disingenuous

[shellyc]

This is what you seem to be doing

VOTE: Shelly

sigh

im the only player in the game that is pushing worlds and making reads

do you think that’s fluffing?

[shellyc]

have you noticed them do it in their town games at all? it isn't AI if she behaves similarly in her town games imo, despite having more scum ones.

let me dig up a few quotes from my town game

I think I did similar things, which is personality trait instead of AI trait

pedit: is it a coincidence that ive been elimed d1 in many of my towngames
and yeah hostility towards me isnt strictly AI

[shellyc]

but basically im a weird person and my town game is widely scumread while my scum game is widely townread

as scum im more sensible

[shellyc]

All these scum point things is exactly what you did in my last game I played with you shelly where you were scum... This really isnt a great start

megabyte and the logical fallacies

me doing it as scum doesnt mean I don’t do it as town

this is an incredibly disingenuous push and I dislike it

@ydrasse what are your thoughts on this

[shellyc]

Initial Impressions #1
- Redados: Posted that I asked questions, seemingly discrediting my curiosity, and I obviously didn't post fluff? But adapted his opinion. Don't like his LAMIST opening, and OMGUS voting. LAMIST / OMGUS are scumreads to me imo. Also I feel a different vibe from their last towngame in Newbie 2019.
- Mush: Posts walls of poetry that made my day. Makes this the general discussion forum with walls of their experiences. Votes Redados for conceding to be scum, I like the aggression. I find it NAI to point out that I'm not posting non relevant questions, as a scum could try to pocket / align with me. Current read: Slight town.
Not much reads for the other players. A few silent people.

DIE MAFIA SCUM! VOTE: Redados

my fifth post from newbie 2025

pedit: im trying to be sensible this game tbh because getting constantly scumread as town is limiting my play when I feel like I often have decent reads

[shellyc]

Scum!me is more than sensible, it’s more like agreeable or something hard to describe

[shellyc]

@ydrasse what are your thoughts on this

Answer this

I also know how I play surprisingly

[shellyc]

Megabyte can you explain where I’m fluffposting cause I’m definitely not

Or maybe you need to rethink the definition of it if you think hard pushing = fluffing

[shellyc]

i also would rather mini start providing thoughts/opinions over answering silly things sooner rather than later, given that i took advantage of mini being in and out of things/quiet when i played a game with her where i was scum. having a grasp on her opinions makes it harder for scum to do that/set her up as an easy elimination if she's town. similarly if she's scum we're not working with less posts/content.

im quite sure this plist won’t fall for CLATS (confirmed lurker and therefore scum)

[shellyc]

@mini 331 is what I would call fluffposting

@Taylor whats your thoughts on mini now they’re doing things and pushing me

[shellyc]

ah, the classic fence-sit (which isnt AI especially this early on tbh)

look @mini everyone can clearly see you’re bullshitting and if you’re town you need to seriously reconsider

nobody on this plist has played with town!me I think

[shellyc]

I realise BM has played with town!me, yeah, but do you disagree with the other parts of 335

[shellyc]

who in the world is rasas, and why is golden town

golden sticks out as misrepping my bob interaction

[shellyc]

mini, why not try to reference one of shelly’s towngames before suggesting that it could be more of her scumgame? i understand drawing parallels to previous games you shared but you were working without a full picture of how shelly plays.

I may be confbiased

but this sounds like disliking the push of mini on me without directly scumreading mini

walk me through your trajectories

[shellyc]

the whole ydrasse pushing mini to give content thingy feels like getting people to talk rather than solving to me and I dislike that

ydrasse gets mini to talk -> mini attacks me -> ydrasse says the push is bad BUT NOT READING MINI.

[shellyc]

gamma why are you posting elsewhere but not here, I want to engage with you

don’t be afraid im not gunna death tunnel you

[shellyc]

tell me why golden and ydrasse are townies and we good

is it purely gut?

[shellyc]

what is ydrasse doing other than pushing mini to talk and not even giving thoughts or whatnot

if you want to TR people for pushing things you should TR BM and me as well

[shellyc]

i have a slight tr on shelly for 112; reading it, it seems like shelly's process to reach a bm tr was natural.

however, i want to ask: shelly, what's your opinion on 76? it looks like you might've missed it and it renders your point about the claim being towny null.

this is ydrasses only ever read and it’s probably outdated (since she now puts me at null)

[shellyc]

sigh you need to rethink effort

I am pushing ydrasse, I am engaging with you, I am trying to figure out why you townread ydrasse and infer your alignment

[shellyc]

if you think effort = town you also need to rethink things, in a strict sense effort is NAI

like you just found a really lazy reason to discredit my push and im disppointed that nobody sees what I see

[shellyc]

also, backtracking on golden isn’t essentially the greatest look ever

can we shift the convo back to ydrasse: why do you think ydrasse high efforting this is town!AI especially with this cool plist
Do you acknowledge that ydrasse isnt trying to solve, they’re trying to prod mini into talking and after mini talks, they don’t make a read on mini or give their thoughts at all

[shellyc]

look bob speaks sense. im like, obvtown with the wagons but I cant explain things clearly and that’s my downfall
let me analyse the pushes on me for a minute
golden misrepped and I never backtracked on ydrasse
megabyte says im “FLUFFPOSTING” and uses “shelly rolls scum a shit ton and therefore they’re scum” what tf is that?
osuka is RVS
pooky is apparently because I used the word stats

megabyte / ydrasse contains scum for one, I can see ydrasse telling inactive partner to speak up but throughout there’s no read on mini. I could also see town!mini scum!ydrasse with the effort to make a read from mini (albeit a bad one)
golden is a null, slight gut townlean, I think the misrep was not intentional tbh and spotting it is indicative of solving
I have a lingering scumread with gamma, that interaction with gamma shifting towards me instead of interacting about ydrasse is weird
bob is town. dong is town. osuka is prooooobably town. pooky is a huge null
nothing to say about the rest of the people

[shellyc]

oh I missed a couple of reads
BM is proooooobably town for early mini push trying to further the gamestate
and mizzytastic is locked scum, no content in that ISO

[shellyc]

@bob according to your wagonomics what do you think ydrasses alignment is? I see no comment about ydrasse there

I’m thinking if this is a warlock or something with the hostility towards me hmmmmm

I think im 5dchessing myself here but spitballing my thoughts, the effort from bob with analysis is probably town!AI

[shellyc]

this feels weird to me. "fencesitting is newbscum" to "fence setting isn't AI - especially this early on", where "especially" here implies that fence sitting is NAI in general.

uh megabyte isnt exactly a newbie? idrt I would consider anyone on this plist a newbie

[shellyc]

ah screw it, nothing else is happening. and i dont agree with reasoning above - unopposed wagon like that flips scum a lot.

VOTE: shelly

what is this???????

BM what is this trajectory bob -> mini -> me

[shellyc]

and no we cannot shift to Ydrasse because you're verging on obsessive about it

sigh

when nobody takes my pushes seriously despite explaining why I want ydrasse multiple times

[shellyc]

wait what the fuck im at L-1 now

BM is now less town, bob is town, gamma prob!scum as well, gamma completely fails to engage with me in a meaningful way and does not say anything about ydrasse TR other than “effort” and jumping on this town wagon

lack of CW means scum are on this and fairly active while all town are asleep

[shellyc]

Unofficial VC

shellyc (6) : osuka, PookyTheMagicalBear, TheGoldenParadox, MiniMegabyte, Battle Mage, Gamma[E-1]
Ydrasse (2) : Dongempire, shellyc
MiniMegabyte (2) : Ydrasse
Dongempire (1) : bob3141
Battle Mage (1) : Tayl0r Swift[/quote]

Ydrasse spectacularly failing to take off is very notable

osuka and pooky are proooobably townie, (gut vibes and pooky and gamma interaction read like pooky trying to solve gamma)
{BM, gamma} contains scum
megabytes case on me is shit
golden is null

pedit: quack

[shellyc]

dude, what is wrong with you? do you seriously think that me doing all this shit isn't me sorting + reading mini?

what you did with mini was ask her to talk

im giving you a chance

what do you think of mini’s push on me

[shellyc]

Golden read on ydrasse and Bob

[shellyc]

Why did you even scum read me

You clearly misrepresented I never backtracked on ydrasse, and i explained the “new scum” thing

[shellyc]

mini doesn’t like to bus

you probably know this

as scum I tunnel *less* explicitly, in one of my first scumgames I was very agreeable and basically the inverse of my play here
pedit: no that wasn’t a good enough answer

DAYVIG: Ydrasse

[shellyc]

my vote was on mini because she's still my preferred vote. i would have moved it if i thought that it would do better elsewhere or if i had a better scumread before i left, but the push on you from her doesn't sit right with me; it's missing a big point of context in that she wasn't really giving you any benefit of the doubt and insinuated that this could be scummy behavior from you. i would expect people to at least try and reference things/have more experience before they start making those sort of reads.

do you think scum would do a risky and stupid push on me and not reference anything

that’s not how scum is played

that’s why mini is town, this paragraph is filling up space with words

[shellyc]

I haven’t even seen a legitimate case on me this game which makes me think the protown minds are inactive, and that’s why im gunna pre-emptively TR iv slot

[shellyc]

y’know what ydrasse is doing now, trying to find a reason to lolhammer me asap and also shade mini with the “doesnt seem right to me” without actually trying to make mini a real wagon
you seem like you’re trying to lim me while stay on megabyte for VCA cred and a potential miselim down the road

if you flip me today get ydrasse tomorrow and I will be content

[shellyc]

the difference between town!ydrasse pushing mini and scum!ydrasse shading mini is that ydrasse puts no effort into furthering the mini push or casing mini or making this a real wagon

town want to get scum

[shellyc]

sigh

im VT

[shellyc]

but I got a dayvig invention, Taylor is right that ydrasse is dead

[shellyc]

look both ydrasse and golden are currently discussing in their scum PT what to make of my claim and whether to continue pushing me

[shellyc]

I think scum-ydrasse would've voted you like 11 pages ago lol

OMGUS, even unintentionally, leaves an impression, a scum-aligned one

[shellyc]

that’s the 3rd time in a month ive been elimmed d1 as town, so looks like I’ve got to improve my obvtowning ability
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readslist before the mod comes
town
bob
osuka
pooky
Dongempire
mini

null
innocent villager
AG
BM
swift

scum
gamma
TGP
ydrasse

[shellyc]

believe my reads, I know im generally decent at reads while completely spectacularly failing to obvtown

get ydrasse tomorrow

GO TOWN!

[shellyc]

y’know what ydrasse is doing now, trying to find a reason to lolhammer me asap and also shade mini with the “doesnt seem right to me” without actually trying to make mini a real wagon

see I was right, ydrasse just lolhammered with 7 days left

please. get ydrasse. I will be super pissed off if ydrasse is actually town

[shellyc]

that’s the 3rd time in a month ive been elimmed d1 as town, so looks like I’ve got to improve my obvtowning ability
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readslist before the mod comes
town
bob
osuka
pooky
Dongempire
mini

null
innocent villager
AG
BM
swift

scum
gamma
TGP
ydrasse

I will explain this so y’all don’t write my reads off as paranoid and obsessive
bob is town for actually speaking sense. instead of wagoning onto the shelly wagon
osuka is gut-town and the lightheartedness from them this game is prob!town
pooky-ydrasse isnt s/s and overall pooky is actually asking me to explain instead of just scumbinning me
donge is auto town for joining my wagon
mini is town because overall the effort to push me (albeit it being a bad push) reads town and ydrasse / mini is not s/s

iv AG swift no content
BM null for that weird flex on me

gamma seemed disingenuine, I feel like lack of explanation when I explicitly asked her to elaborate on her reads (town!ydrasse) was pretty scummy
golden case on me is a complete misrep and my wagon has at least 2 scum on it
ydrasse scum
let me make this clear once me
they randomly zero in on megabyte making it her #1 priority to make her create content yet does nothing but shade on megabytes alignment after megabyte creates content
ydrasse votes megabyte but clearly does not want megabyte to be todays vote - non town mindset
ydrasse talking / prodding lurkers but not solving, I don’t se them trying to sort anyone

[shellyc]

I find it very intriguing that no solid case was made on me by anyone on this shelly wagon yet I am turboeliminated

[shellyc]

I think Taylor is actually town this game with that post

scum should ideally shut up / fluff here

[shellyc]

im gonna take over as mod for this game

Shelly has been eliminated. She was a

Vanilla Townie

.

[shellyc]

to test my abilities

SCUMCLAIM

ydrasse -> gamma -> golden and gg

[shellyc]

good luck town tomorrow, assuming 10v3 that’s 1/3 miselims needed for scum to win

town please do make sure ydrasse joins me to the dead thread

[shellyc]

Taylor obvscum here btw - if I flip tonight, elim her immediately.

elaborate
im actually getting some townvibes there

[shellyc]

well played scum! did some postgame thoughts in dead pt, no kill by scum was a really good move

[shellyc]

I doubt shelly is gonna stop death tunnels after she learns pooky and Ydrasse is right

lmaoooo

[shellyc]

thinking about nomming pooky for a scummie. can i nom for master strategist even though it's technically a town award?

i think this is fine for kodak moment (?) because master strat is a town award
but im +1 for scummie nom with the no kill play

[shellyc]

my rvs lolsolving

if its pooky/osuka/ydrasse im putting this in my signature postgame

gutreads 2/3

[shellyc]

has rolled scum a hilariously disproportionate number of times that it's almost a meme at this point (scum!shelly again)

no im not scum, I was always just nk-immune miller vig

oh and I promised to do this postgame:

1) What is your Favorite Board Game?
2) Favorite memory playing Board Games?
3) If you could live in the universe of a Board Game - which one would it be?
4) If you were stuck on a desert island with a few friends - and a large supply of food and water - which one board game would you like to have to play while you wait for rescue?
5) If you could pick one board game to never exist - what would it be?

1) Avalon if it counts as a board game because i prefer online avalon, or dixit.
2) probably game nights with friends and shouting all over each other
3) clue because i wanna be an nk-immune miller vig and murder people
4) deck of cards answer is good so im sheeping that
5) I don't despise one specific board game might get back to this tomorrow

[shellyc]

ok i may be confbiased being in a weird situation as the person deathtunnelling scum + the scum misexe but not to sound condescending to scum because the mech no kill was v good, I think looking back at this game towns overconfidence led to their downfall more than scum's play. All the TPRs outed themselves on D2 so nightplay was easy as scum from N2+. Pooky still ended up losing the duel in the first mylo, and ydrasse like. barely played after D1. (but in fairness the play was good)

I think scums mechplay through the no kill and protective claim to make fakeauto was reeeeally crucial more than any of the dayplay, and because Goodfellas should encapsulate both good dayplay and mechplay i think this isn't really a Goodfellas nom, but def go for kodak

[shellyc]

*(but in fairness the claim was good)

mizzy your modding was great btw, enjoyed the flavour a lot and the game was called at a good pace, with prompt vcs, prods and replacements!