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[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: dong

im on board

[Tayl0r Swift]

muahaha

[Tayl0r Swift]

was that a hammer? wtf is with people today.

in case it wasnt,

VOTE: BM

[Tayl0r Swift]

my vote on BM was not RVS but rather policy lunch.

[Tayl0r Swift]

what is RQS?

dumb

[Tayl0r Swift]

ydrasse are you town

answer this in full honestly or I will be very Disappointed

anyways, megabyte is pretty low-activity even as town, and have decent reads though often LHF. they’re a very good lim target in my scumgame vs town!megabyte experiences

you still dont know what LHF is...

[Tayl0r Swift]

Since this is a board game mafia game I suggest we all fill out this questionnaire:

anyways im not filling this out, maaaaaybe postgame but RQS is bad imo

there are Statistics that prove RQS is often done by scum

well i have statistics that prove RQS is often done by town, so there.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ydrasse entertain me and give me how you think you play as both alignments if you don’t mind, this is optional but would be of great help

gut scumpings on Taylor but pretty much nothing concrete yet

truly shocking. im sure the deathtunnel will start soon

[Tayl0r Swift]

exaggerating is probably not a good strategy, and its incredibly impressive that youve caught both scum on page 8, and have also identified that one of the scum can only be scum with the other. really incredible.

[Tayl0r Swift]

stfu you’re caught scum

and btw this is not reaction testing.

This is just being a giant jerk

how do you know how big shelly is?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

yes its very strange and not like shelly at all - that said, i know shelly is trying to be less agressive and overconfident, so ill give her a pass somewhat because it could be her trying to figure out how to chill out and re-evaluate.

[Tayl0r Swift]

This could quite possibly be true a lot of us know their difficulty in rolling town

no its not smh

plist hostility towards me is obviously confirming me as town, scum bussing super early d1 is near-impossible

bussing is not the same as distancing. bussing super early day 1 is near impossible because you almost never lunch super early day 1. distancing early day 1 is common because its cheap and easy.

[Tayl0r Swift]

usually when im actively posting my face is aligned with my keyboard and screen. sometimes i post with my back to the screen just to see what happens though.

[Tayl0r Swift]

But I don’t recall playing a game with Shelly where they are town

the push on you is bad, for example this post seems to be explicitly using the reverse-gambler's fallacy to argue that you must be scum. but im also not sure that youre town here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

heh i was gonna hop on the Bm wagon and then realized i was already on it. go me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

mini doesn’t like to bus

you probably know this

as scum I tunnel *less* explicitly, in one of my first scumgames I was very agreeable and basically the inverse of my play here
pedit: no that wasn’t a good enough answer

DAYVIG: Ydrasse

is this serious

yes ydrasse is dead and should stop posting.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ydrasse you dont seem to care that you just hammered town

[Tayl0r Swift]

why do you keep rolling scum ydrasse

[Tayl0r Swift]

mini megabyte and battle mage are good places to start. probably TGP too

[Tayl0r Swift]

im still a couple pages behind but want to VOTE: BM, partly cuz its a good vote and partly because it should be interesting to see FL's reaction

[Tayl0r Swift]

im still a couple pages behind but want to VOTE: BM, partly cuz its a good vote and partly because it should be interesting to see FL's reaction

Do you think BM is a bad guy :3

no its just a bus vote.

[Tayl0r Swift]

no its just a bus vote.

are you gonna off yourself like TGP did ? :3

nah but i concede.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

yes its very strange and not like shelly at all - that said, i know shelly is trying to be less agressive and overconfident, so ill give her a pass somewhat because it could be her trying to figure out how to chill out and re-evaluate.

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a

weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says

. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

explain the bold. As i dont see her distancing from her own reads. At most shelly is saying that she trust me when i say that the start of day one is best used to town hunt.

Notice the difference between Taylor and Bob. Both are players who didn’t end up on the Shelly wagon. Bob questions Golden. Taylor picks a side.

Golden then responds to only Bob’s post.

wat.

how is me taking a side scum indicative? Me knowing shelly well enough to read her correctly is town-indicative if anything. thats an easy wagon for scum to hop on.

uh when i flip town, vig plspls shoot flavor leaf. flavor leaf steps in, townleads, and immediately directs pressure away from BM and onto me. FL is probably scum and probably wont get lunched.

[Tayl0r Swift]

BM and flavor leaf have my two least favorite play styles ive seen. both of you please avoid games you see me in from now on.

[Tayl0r Swift]

flavor leaf just screams really loudly until everyone listens and BM is BM.

[Tayl0r Swift]

FL has made exactly 0 effort to actually engage me. just purely throwing shade and demanding that people vote me. i cant even defend myself because the case is "I THINK TAYLOR IS SCUM I THINK TAYLOR IS SCUM VOTE TAYLOR I THINK TAYLOR IS SCUM"

[Tayl0r Swift]

it seems like your case on me is a pre-flip associative. except the association that you're saying makes me scum with BM is BM being my consistent top scumread an entire day cycle now. the majority of the game. i must be really really committed to distancing. which, if you look at my completed scum game, i got caught because i was hesitant to bus even in a case where it was super duper obvious that my partner was getting himself killed.

[Tayl0r Swift]

saying wagonomics does not mean youve actually explained anything. youre scumreading me for the exact things that should prove that im town. so i cant defend myself by leaning on the things that prove im town, because those are what your case rest on. your logic is so bad that i dont even know how to defend myself, but i definitely dont believe that these posts come from town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

FL has made exactly 0 effort to actually engage me. just purely throwing shade and demanding that people vote me. i cant even defend myself because the case is "I THINK TAYLOR IS SCUM I THINK TAYLOR IS SCUM VOTE TAYLOR I THINK TAYLOR IS SCUM"

Also, can you quote where you think I’m “demanding people to vote you”?

Also, can you quote where you think I’m “purely” throwing shade, and not a hypothetical situation based off my analysis of my Wagonomics/Gamestate/Interactions read?

this hypothetical is pure shade. its ass-backwards and designed to be backwards so i cant defend myself. my attacking me for the things that prove im town, i cant defend myself and you get to be super hand-wavy.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Fade Taylor, Vig Battle Mage, easy money

[Tayl0r Swift]

And that’s how I push and cause discussion, similar to now. I say a lot of possible hypothetical situations and essentially bring up every option, and then I filter out the ones that get shown to not make sense over time.

This has caused a good amount of discussion already. Beneficial

yeah, i just throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks. so please dont be upset when i backtrack, and dont you dare try to hold me to my reads. because they arent reads. theyre just hypotheticals.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Fade Taylor, Vig Battle Mage, easy money

This was me playing with BM.

see??!@!?! when i bring up posts that show what im talking about you say "i was just joking" or "its just a hypothetical"

[Tayl0r Swift]

If you’re town, who’s scum on your wagon, if any.

you and BM are scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Fade Taylor, Vig Battle Mage, easy money

This was me playing with BM.

see??!@!?! when i bring up posts that show what im talking about you say "i was just joking" or "its just a hypothetical"

All my stuff is Hypothetical. I don’t know your role. I’m just analyzing and creating an estimated guess essentially, and if i don’t think it’s correct, based on wagon momentum/otherwise.

I’m still serious even if I’m hypothetical.

I literally said easy money after that fade Taylor (who I am voting) Vig BM (who was interacting with me).

Me pushing the 2 of you have now gotten both of you to hard commit to a plan, and oddly, that’s extremely similar to each other. I still think one of you are probably scum, but that’s a slight anti partner thing.

However, as scum, that’s what you would need to do in this situation, but none the less, it is an anti partner situation that I don’t necessarily think was planned? Idk. I still think one of them at least are scum.

except i had already committed to pushing BM prior to that, and i started scumreading you almost immediately upon your joining. you dont get to take credit because it wasnt your push that did that. what you succeeded in doing was disrupting the gamestate bigtime when pressure was mounting on BM.

[Tayl0r Swift]

If you’re town, who’s scum on your wagon, if any.

you and BM are scum.

We, this just looks like you’re trying to get BM killed today to have a chance because it lets you go after me tomorrow and it protects you potentially.

I really think somehow I just slammed a nail into the scum team this game. Replacement syndrome.

again i was already pushing BM and have scumread BM since yesterday.

[Tayl0r Swift]

if im scum you have to explain my read progression on shelly, including the times at which my read shifted, with a scum motive. please read that part of my iso FL. like just search shelly i think thatll prove me town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

BM and flavor leaf have my two least favorite play styles ive seen. both of you please avoid games you see me in from now on.

flavor leaf just screams really loudly until everyone listens and BM is BM.

Ok now I definitely think Flavor is 100% right. The way Tay deals with BM here screams distancing

except i was pushing BM before there was pressure on either of us. like im pretty sure i started the BM wagon. and i moved off shelly to do it. so id have to move off a townie wagon before it was at all clear it would be the days lunch, defend the slot, and then move on to a bus vote that i continue the next day. it does not make sense.

[Tayl0r Swift]

nono FL. go through my ISO. quote the posts where i progress my read on shelly. explain why they come from scum rather than town. i know i could do it myself but i want you to do it so i know you actually read the relevant posts and are engaging in good faith and so i can see your logic.

[Tayl0r Swift]

why did you originally vote BM then

i dont remember. i could check my iso, but so could you. if theres a particular thing in my iso you want to ask me about, go for it. im not sure i can fully articulate my scumread on BM atm, but if its important ill go through his iso and try to point out some things i saw.

[Tayl0r Swift]

see? no matter what i do, FL spins it as me being scum (and now gamma is trying to spin my actions as coming from scum too).

[Tayl0r Swift]

is anyone else noticing a pattern of FL ignoring the substance of my posts and responding to the fringy bits?

[Tayl0r Swift]

also didnt i scumread TGP yesterday? distancing to that extent on day 1 is not in my scumrange, im afraid.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Actually, that’s your only post regarding Shelly analysis wise. You spent most of your posts going against the main grains, then shading Ydrasse in twilight, which is why I think you were docced.

yeah that sounds like town!me

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok true theres not much in my iso on shelly.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Actually, that’s your only post regarding Shelly analysis wise. You spent most of your posts going against the main grains, then shading Ydrasse in twilight, which is why I think you were docced.

yeah that sounds like town!me

Well, i don’t know who you are. And if I do, i don’t know that I do

but you could go read up on my meta instead of just saying things, because youre describing my town meta and using it to paint me as scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I will say, i think that gives you some townie points after all for that, but I legit think you conceded, but then decided not to when I pushed you and BM initially.

well this proves that you dont know me

[Tayl0r Swift]

osuka
Ydrasse
shellyc
PookyTheMagicalBear
Battle Mage
bob3141
Gamma Emerald
innocentvillager (your slot)

those are the people ive played with at least once before.

[Tayl0r Swift]

@Taylor - your play in and of itself isn’t scummy. It’s the play in relation to Golden along with my town reads. If you wanna tear down some of my town reads, maybe I can listen, but I’m pretty happy with a lot of them. Arachnid could be scum with BM, who knows.

Like it’s nothing in particular you’ve done. You played a solid scum game if you are scum, Golden flip just kinda wrecked you is all.

im not even sure who your townreads are. its not your townreads i have an issue with. its your scumread on me. even your scumread on BM i agree with.

[Tayl0r Swift]

eehhhhhh if its not my play thats scummy then i really think you should look at my scum meta.

[Tayl0r Swift]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84282

this is the full set of my scumgames on this site. i think youll find that my play there looks nothing like my play here. and also that it would be odd for me to go from that to being good scum who did nothing scummy.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok but then who are your town reads?

[Tayl0r Swift]

why do you townread gamma and johnny?

[Tayl0r Swift]

It takes a full wagon to fade, why are you focused on me when 3 other players are already voting you?

because i think youre scum. and youre the one who drove this wagon.

[Tayl0r Swift]

It takes a full wagon to fade, why are you focused on me when 3 other players are already voting you?

because i think youre scum. and youre the one who drove this wagon.

So you think Battle Mage and I had all those as Scum theatre?

its 110% plausible. you did a whole lot of yelling loudly at each other, but wound up with a wagon on me and off of BM. you shifted momentum away from BM and thats a big associative.

i dont see why you think gamma isnt just trying to pocket you by sheeping. its cheap and easy, and theres no reason to asssume that gamma is town. why cant gamma and TGP both be scum?

being innocent doesnt mean townie. johnny has been active in the thread but really hasnt done anything. i see nothing that makes me think hes town. nothing really scummy, but definitely nothing townie there fmpov.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I love it when people talk about me. I agree about Taylor just being dead to rights here, so I don't really feel a need to try too hard. I ask questions when they pop up.

thats not a town mindset now is it? even if i do flip scum, then what? plus you really havent demonstrated that youve put any thought into sorting me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: BM
way too excited about this PL. perhaps scum seeking to pocket everyone?

Ohkay Battle Mag town

you dont think scum would RVS scumbuddies?

[Tayl0r Swift]

bob why arent you weighing in?

[Tayl0r Swift]

personly im suprised nothing has happened after i probbed your wagon. no more votes nor any counter wagon.

what does that tell you?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor fade probably

im ok with this if the vig shoots you when i flip green.

[Tayl0r Swift]

if youre going to make this kind of bad faith push on me where you dont even pretend to consider the possibility that i might be town then youre either scum or town doing a bad job. you deserve rope.

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah but you want me dead whether or not i flip scum. thats just really bad. its frustrating to me when i get scumread for playing well by someone who just shows up and is really loud and doesnt seem to have any particular reason to scumread me, but just wants me dead.

[Tayl0r Swift]

at this point im basically today's lunch. unfortunately, unless BM is the scum doctor, theres going to be no way to confirm FL as town here 100%. pls vig/lunch BM.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Why tf would scum kill themselves?

maybe it was an accident. or maybe it was a big brain 4-D chess play.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also very likely scum has one odd night role of same power to the roleblocker

uh what roleblocker?

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh true and they probably dont have any other protection/blocking for even nights so BM dies tonight huh

[Tayl0r Swift]

partly depends on whether the vig is gated, no?

[Tayl0r Swift]

thats a good point

i feel like ungated vig is just stupidly powerful and im not sure that ever shows up in a mini. he's gotta be shot or night gated, right

well not only is it too powerful but its too swingy. but lets not speculate about town PRs too much here

[Tayl0r Swift]

well because we dont want to make it easy for scum. this is sekrit info town has.

[Tayl0r Swift]

at this point im basically today's lunch. unfortunately, unless BM is the scum doctor, theres going to be no way to confirm FL as town here 100%. pls vig/lunch BM.

I’m already confirmed unless you think scum shot themselves

isnt shooting your scum-mates exactly the sort of thing flavor leaf would do?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i dont think you did, but im still paranoid.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also isn't roleblocker pretty good against vigs already?

Yeah, it blocks my actions.

On top of scum having a doctor.

Like scum knew there was a Vigilante this game based on the doctor, and scum decided to doc someone who wasn’t Golden.

So it had to have been someone more likely to be vigged than Golden.

unless the doc is gated.

[Tayl0r Swift]

dont disagree with flavor leaf or youre scum!

[Tayl0r Swift]

well BM is still scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also isn't roleblocker pretty good against vigs already?

Yeah, it blocks my actions.

On top of scum having a doctor.

Like scum knew there was a Vigilante this game based on the doctor, and scum decided to doc someone who wasn’t Golden.

So it had to have been someone more likely to be vigged than Golden.

unless the doc is gated.

Yes, but if it’s not matched up with my doctor in hypotheticals, what’s the point of having it?

Also, Golden flipped Even, and I shot Night 1.

I’m pretty positive they should have ways to deal with.

UNVOTE: Taylor

but if the doc is x-shot rather than night gated, then maybe they thought theyd be safe on night 1. i agree with you that they had something to deal with you. i just dont necessarily think we know for sure that they doc'd someone else. and i dunno who theyd doc other than TGP. maybe BM? it seems like theyd want to doc the decently scumread PR...

[Tayl0r Swift]

Osuka scumming up, Taylor towning up, Creature towning up, Bob scumming up, i think chances of all 3 scum on Shelly go up, but still probably has scum within Taylor, Bob, Creature, and maybe it’s Bob’.

His flip after Taylor started coming in is scummy looking.

yes i could see it being bob. he has not offered the same insights he normally does as town. my problem is that my confident townread is now dead. normally im a townhunter but with all the replacements and this particular playerlist its been tougher. i guess ill say creature town too, and i wanna say pooky town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im still very unimpressed by johnny here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

though in fairness with no cc and a scum doctor, vig is sort of an obvious claim to make. im just not sure whether someojne would fakeclaim vig or, in the case of a vig fakeclaim, someone would cc

pedit: not really, no. i think bd is very unlikely compared to vig in light of a scum doctor

i feel like vig wouldnt cc but instead just shoot FL. if the doc is on FL and the shot fails then maybe cc time.

[Tayl0r Swift]

the two largest wagons other than shelly EOD yesterday were BM and ydrasse. either of them could have been doc'd, and i see nothing that makes me sort ydrasse as town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

though in fairness with no cc and a scum doctor, vig is sort of an obvious claim to make. im just not sure whether someojne would fakeclaim vig or, in the case of a vig fakeclaim, someone would cc

pedit: not really, no. i think bd is very unlikely compared to vig in light of a scum doctor

i feel like vig wouldnt cc but instead just shoot FL. if the doc is on FL and the shot fails then maybe cc time.

Ah, right, I didn’t think about this.

Regardless, I think it’s pretty clear even before I claimed, that I shot Golden, at least in hindsight.

I even came in to the day saying Golden or Gamma, I shot Golden because Gamma I can interact with to figure things out easier, and I owe it to trust it.

That’s also why I pushed the game with the confidence I had. I was on the shooting scum Night 1 high, i have been known to hold my Night 1 Vig shots before.

So I wanted to be correct. I really wanted to be correct with TS and BM, right after shooting Golden.

If that helps see where I was coming from.

it does, and you might have been half-right there.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i still am convinced that FL is town now. if FL isnt town then FL will be mechanically confirmed more than likely.

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah but i dont think i was ever actually voting FL even when i scumread him. im saying now i townread him, and for reasons other than just the claim.

[Tayl0r Swift]

normal game, no jesters.

Also, let's just all claim:

No Block

or

Possible Block

I'm claiming No Block.

if everyone else claims ill claim but im very much against doing this today. theres plenty to go on as is. and if im town then BM is pretty much confscum right? why not just lunch there?

[Tayl0r Swift]

johnny keeps posting to look active, but whens the last time johnny actually made a post that does anything to advance the game?

[Tayl0r Swift]

why would a miller be informed?

[Tayl0r Swift]

why didnt you claim miller when the game started?

[Tayl0r Swift]

millers are wild?

[Tayl0r Swift]

that crumb is not good. you could have claimed alien or JOAT or pretty much any less-common role. and i dont think millers are that wild/uncommon.

[Tayl0r Swift]

why did you decide to claim?

[Tayl0r Swift]

lucky for you dong did crumb his role pretty well.

[Tayl0r Swift]

did you roll scum AGAIN here ydrasse?

[Tayl0r Swift]

we should decide the order for the massclaim then. i still think its a bad idea.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im here and can claim but if its ok ill wait since i think im basically cleared?

[Tayl0r Swift]

well if we are mass-claiming then wait until after the mass-claim right?

[Tayl0r Swift]

good choice

[Tayl0r Swift]

FL why would we want the conftowns now when they can be killed off, when instead we could have them later?

[Tayl0r Swift]

bob i think you should claim.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: bob

[Tayl0r Swift]

i dont even know or care what the fk is going on. can we just flip taylor who claimed i was confscum and then decided to vote for Bob instead because he wouldnt reveal his role?

dont worry i still think youre scum and my vote will be back there soon

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok bob who claims next?

[Tayl0r Swift]

also VOTE: BM

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok bob who claims next?

Ive not claimed yet?

but why not bm and you

i feel like you have. pretty sure i know your role, although im a bit confused about the modifiers. pick one between me and BM.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im loyal fruit vendor

well, partly

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: dong

im on board

Here have some ice cream. Or do you want some fruit

[Tayl0r Swift]

anyway i think we have heard enough from bob and i think bob should pick the next person to claim.

[Tayl0r Swift]

BM why are you ignoring this thread?

[Tayl0r Swift]

So taylor when did you find that crumb. or atleast find the post that wasnt a crumb

honestly it was only today when you started talking about crumbing. i didnt catch it at the time.

[Tayl0r Swift]

bob thats not the only crumb i saw from you day 1 on a reread. hmm i dont like that youre saying they werent real crumbs.

[Tayl0r Swift]

interesting that BM suddenly started dodging the thread when his turn to claim came.

[Tayl0r Swift]

wow this one died huh? i might get a chance to catch up tonight, watch this space!

we are waiting on you to claim.

[Tayl0r Swift]

who claims next BM?

[Tayl0r Swift]

bob if fruit vendor isnt actually part of your role then i think you should claim properly. im a gated tracker. can elaborate, but not until more people claim.

ydrasse, you claim next please.

[Tayl0r Swift]

bob if fruit vendor isnt actually part of your role then i think you should claim properly. im a gated tracker. can elaborate, but not until more people claim.

ydrasse, you claim next please.

whats my alias this game

ok thats what i thought, but you crumbed multitasking too, so i thought maybe you were a fruit vendor with a modifier as well.

[Tayl0r Swift]

bob if fruit vendor isnt actually part of your role then i think you should claim properly. im a gated tracker. can elaborate, but not until more people claim.

ydrasse, you claim next please.

so presumably you are fakeclaiming a track result on me of some kind? otherwise how does this stack up against your claim I'm 100% confscum? should be easy as i obviously didn't go anywhere last night

i did not track you last night.

[Tayl0r Swift]

bob if fruit vendor isnt actually part of your role then i think you should claim properly. im a gated tracker. can elaborate, but not until more people claim.

ydrasse, you claim next please.

whats my alias this game

ok thats what i thought, but you crumbed multitasking too, so i thought maybe you were a fruit vendor with a modifier as well.

bob has claimed 20 different roles so far. how on earth do you figure he "crumbed" anything?

i know what he crumbed

[Tayl0r Swift]

did you get any useful result taylor

i can share more details when the claiming is complete.

[Tayl0r Swift]

she still hasnt defended her claim of a guilty on me, and with her roleclaim, i think she's busted. unless she's lying as town i guess.

when did i say i have a guilty on you. youre confscum in the scenario FL laid out where one of us is scum. i was already scumreading you, so confbiased that theory as correct. wtf are you on about dude.

[Tayl0r Swift]

if im town then BM is pretty much confscum right? why not just lunch there?

exactly.

[Tayl0r Swift]

she still hasnt defended her claim of a guilty on me, and with her roleclaim, i think she's busted. unless she's lying as town i guess.

when did i say i have a guilty on you. youre confscum in the scenario FL laid out where one of us is scum. i was already scumreading you, so confbiased that theory as correct. wtf are you on about dude.

Always a bad idea to blindly sheep flav. At times he can be very opinionated and very wrong at times. Always take him with pinch of salt. So never treat him as if he is always right as no one ever is.

except i was already scumreading BM. nothing BM has done has changed that read.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ydrasse is next to claim.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Gamma you prolly missed a few things bud.

I'm sure I did

Should I be claiming rn?

it doesnt even matter. apparently we're "popcorning" but im the only one who has actually claimed so far, and Bob and Taylor have failed to do so.

did you read my posts?

[Tayl0r Swift]

we should just yeet taylor for not claiming

if this trollpost came from most anyone else id be upset

[Tayl0r Swift]

FL: Vig
Johnny: Informed Miller
Taylor: VT
BM: VT

Gamma/Pooky, since you here, wanna claim?

im a tracker. jeez people

[Tayl0r Swift]

As the Doctor of Scumonomics, I’ve learned there’s a power to holding specific card to your chest in order to get to a point in the game to survive until a solve is ready, so because I know my cunning level is maxed out, there are just things I’m able to push as own that other Can’t, and this goes both ways.

I can’t be a vigilante with a confirmed kill on scum without people wondering if I shot my own teammate. Happens way more often than you’d think.

But like, for that to have happened here, you’d have to believe I replaced in night 1, and convinced Golden, who had been here, that it’s a good idea for us to kill him to give me town cred.

I’m an extreme team player when it comes to being scum unless I see detriment in a partner.

Golden is never a detriment.

it would be a bad play for you, you'd never survive LyLo here.

Exactly! Now we’re on the same page.

page 52?

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh hey ydrasse who did you target last night btw?

[Tayl0r Swift]

@Taylor - After Mini and Osuka claim, do you wanna claim whatever action you took and result?

sure

[Tayl0r Swift]

He’s a Gunsmith of sorts.

why did you out his claim? and does it make sense to have a gunsmith of sorts, a cop of sorts AND a tracker of sorts?

[Tayl0r Swift]

right now theres too much town power i think, especially given the claimed cop is even night and the scum roleblocker is odd-night.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i do not have a result from night 1.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok bob, time for you to full claim.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i do not have a result from night 1.

But did you use an action?

This matters a bit, because if you got a “did not see anything” then that person is confirmed to not have made the scum kill.

The little stuff.

i didnt make any actions.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Wait, where’s the extra gun?

Bob-Gunsmith
Mini-Cop
FL-Vig

Golden-Mafia
-last mafia members

I think that actually confirms that we’re all town?

3 mafia members + vig + cop + gunsmith = 6 guns

Either one of {vig, cop, gunsmith} is lying or one of the mafia members is a doctor/traitor

well we know a mafia member is a doc. so theres 2 scum guns + 3 town guns. so that does kinda clear the cop and the gunsmith. plus why have a miller with no cop? its honestly the tracker claim that doesnt fit.

[Tayl0r Swift]

@mod

is it possible the mafia doctor is a JOAT with a gun?

[Tayl0r Swift]

im 99% sure johnny is town. if johnny is scum then id have to say i bet youre scum too.

[Tayl0r Swift]

it feels like the game is too easy if you give town an informed that essentially clears 3 people. so lets assume for a moment that ydrasse has a gun. suddenly bob looks very scummy.

[Tayl0r Swift]

scum gunsmith makes sense given town cop and vig and a joat with a gun.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im 99% sure johnny is town. if johnny is scum then id have to say i bet youre scum too.

It’s actually impossible for me to be scum here without you thinking I killed Golden as scum partners with him.

So yeah.

I’m confirmed town based on the claims alone.

i have a large supply of tin foil, and very much like making hats out of it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

well we know a mafia member is a doc

We?

mhmm its in the OP

[Tayl0r Swift]

Maybe it's now more complicated if there's a chance Johnny is faking it

while his slot didnt claim it and his crumbs are awful, the slot did crumb early day 1.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Assuming Johnny isn't fucking masterminding here:

osuka
Ydrasse
PookyTheMagicalBear
Creature
Battle Mage
Gamma Emerald
Tayl0r Swift

you think im the most likely scum? interesting. elaborate?

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh i see thats just the order of the playerlist im assuming, since youre in the list

[Tayl0r Swift]

even if BM is town id kinda enjoy lunching him. but i understand that we should play to wincon yada yada.

[Tayl0r Swift]

pooky's iso has very little solving, even by pooky standards. i can vote there.

[Tayl0r Swift]

hmm i made a post where i fullclaimed but it got eaten by the internet and i took that as a sign from the universe. but i can full claim if its needed.

[Tayl0r Swift]

soo... ydrasse and johnny scumteam anyone?

[Tayl0r Swift]

am here from life deciding to take me to fisticuffs. mighty tired though.

i'm inclined to believe that johnny's information is real since i protected him.

you dont have a gun do you ydrasse?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i debated fake-claiming novice tracker. because i think my slot is gonna need sorting at some point and i was hoping scum would do it for us. but i think the risk/reward was bad because that powerful a tracker doesnt fit with the setup. im just a 1-shot tracker. it doesnt fit with the setup but i think the role is intended as negative-utility because it doesnt fit and there are two investigatives and its very weak. that said, as it stands we can check most of the game tonight between myself and a cop and a gunsmith and a vig and a lunch.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i'm odd night + yes

I’m also Odd-Night.

well that makes sense for sure.

my role does not make any sense tbh.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Creature
Osuka
Gamma
Taylor
Battle Mage
Pooky

Have both scum in them confirmed.

4 remaining townies are in here.

Does Taylor/Creature make sense? Lol if I was just working on solving the game alongside the scum team.

i dont see why it cant be creature, although i dont see any reason why it is without rereading.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Gunsmith is kinda weak with a confirmed Mafia Doctor, as they can’t get any for sure clears, and claiming wise, it’s easy to counter, but Bob didn’t wanna go first, so.

I say we have both Bob and Mini targeting Taylor tonight, just to clear that through.

Taylor, target 1 of the 5 other slots in the 6 group, and we kill one of those 5, so really, it’ll be 1 in 4.

why both? do you think scum have a godfather too? this is an awful waste i think. why not cop 3 different people, and if we get 3 innocent results then lunch me tomorrow.

[Tayl0r Swift]

my investigation is also only 50% likely to get a positive result on a guilty person. i have to track the scum who is making the kill because the doc will be inactive. is the way we do this that we collectively decide on a cop target and then i choose at night who to track? also, unless i get a guilty im not 100% clear. even if i get a guilty im not 100% clear. the only 100% clear we have is the cop. actually i think scum probably does have a godfather. thats why we have so many investigatives. the two of them have to work together to get 100% clears, although each of them can potentially get guilties.

[Tayl0r Swift]

my investigation is also only 50% likely to get a positive result on a guilty person. i have to track the scum who is making the kill because the doc will be inactive. is the way we do this that we collectively decide on a cop target and then i choose at night who to track? also, unless i get a guilty im not 100% clear. even if i get a guilty im not 100% clear. the only 100% clear we have is the cop. actually i think scum probably does have a godfather. thats why we have so many investigatives. the two of them have to work together to get 100% clears, although each of them can potentially get guilties.

Unless we hit scum today, then you are 100%.

true. but one of the other investigations wont give 100% innos.

i guess lets just hit scum today.

but the setup makes way more sense with a godfather.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Osuka
Battle Mage
Creature
Gamma
Pooky

We fade one of these, and split the 4 down the middle to give Taylor and Mini split pools of 2 to target within.

Bob Gunsmiths Taylor to try to catch out Taylor if she’s lying. But even with a no gun result, she could be scum doc.

i think we lunch one, assign one to the cop, assign one to the gunsmith, and let me choose between the other two. if we dont get any guilties i die tomorrow. its a better use of the investigations.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Like your plan just completely bypasses you.

no my plan results in my death tomorrow if we dont find scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

theres a slight problem with your plan that i see. i dont know if its worth mentioning in case scum doesnt see it. but it might be worth mentioning in case they do.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Like your plan just completely bypasses you.

no my plan results in my death tomorrow if we dont find scum.

You should just be gunsmithed. Skips the middle man.

Mini likely isn’t getting a clear because death anyways.

We can actually do Mini picks a target in advance, and then have you do 1 of 3 so potential for greater chance of hitting scum.

However you get legit clears and guilties if we get down to 1 scum after today, which is an essential part of this.

the 1 in 3 play is better. it maximizes my effectiveness if we hit town. thats a reason for us to gunsmith me, too. ok.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: creature

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: gamma

not really but i guess i have to keep up appearances

[Tayl0r Swift]

theres also no way that they can kill both cops and the vig by night 4 since theyd have to kill the doc to do so. so i think we autowin. so i dont care who we do today, but i kinda wanna do osuka rn. which is different from anyone ive really pushed all game.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i told you earlier, i concede.

[Tayl0r Swift]

wait. hang on. if we hit town today, i holster tonight. im for sure not the night kill until night 5 at least i think. so i think i only track when theres 1 scum left.

[Tayl0r Swift]

the other advantage of this plan is that the cop can investigate someone suspicious rather than the towniest person for a clear. this is way better. if we lunch town bob on me and cop on ???. if we hit scum then bob on me and cop on tbd with me on ???

[Tayl0r Swift]

who are you scum with then osuka?

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: johnnyfarrar

this is not a valid vote. wtf.

VOTE: bm

[Tayl0r Swift]

im happy to hammer when we're ready.

[Tayl0r Swift]

theres no rush and id like to give mini and bob a chance to check in.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Gamma/Taylor voting together gives me pause, but full send Osuka. We just need 1 clear in this game and we win.

Strictly mechanical.

i cant control whether gamma chooses to vote where im voting. if gamma is scum with osuka gamma cant very well also be scum with me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

we have 38 hours, mini is getting out of the hospital so the more time we give him the better, and theres just no rush dude.

[Tayl0r Swift]

like essentially the only way town loses here is if we get our wires crossed and play awful during the night. so lets make sure we dont fuck up our nightplay.

[Tayl0r Swift]

also BM be quiet and let those of us who are actually reading the thread play.

[Tayl0r Swift]

you know if i were scum id kill you

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: osuka

if no one else is gonna vote i will

[Tayl0r Swift]

NIGHT ACTIONS
@Bob - can you confirm Taylor for us? Actually, I don’t care who you target anymore, just target within t hose 6 obviously preferably not the same as Mini.

@Mini - Can you target Gamma for us?

@Taylor - Can you target 1 of the 3 we don’t fade today and separate from who Mini checks? (We talked earlier, I feel it’s acceptable not to list em again here) also, it’s fine if you target the same person as Bob.
Actions@Bob - can you confirm Taylor for us? Actually, I don’t care who you target anymore, just target within those 6 obviously preferably not the same as Mini.@Mini - Can you target Gamma for us?@Taylor - Can you target 1 of the 3 we don’t fade today and separate from who Mini checks? (We talked earlier, I feel it’s acceptable not to list em again here) also, it’s fine if you target the same person as Bob.

ok we ready to move on here? i think we ready.

get on osuka

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah i'm not sure what to do here. i don't think fl is scum, i just think he's got his head so far up his ass that he's gone all the way around

he comes out with a "mech solve" that isn't really a solve and was built on imperfect _and_ questionable information to begin with, and pre-flip associatives that he pulled from thin air. everyone seems to be on board. did i miss anything?

to me this is kinda a scumclaim.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor never wins here if she’s scum, though

thats why i conceded.

[Tayl0r Swift]

NIGHT ACTIONS
@Bob - can you confirm Taylor for us? Actually, I don’t care who you target anymore, just target within t hose 6 obviously preferably not the same as Mini.

@Mini - Can you target Gamma for us?

@Taylor - Can you target 1 of the 3 we don’t fade today and separate from who Mini checks? (We talked earlier, I feel it’s acceptable not to list em again here) also, it’s fine if you target the same person as Bob.
Actions@Bob - can you confirm Taylor for us? Actually, I don’t care who you target anymore, just target within those 6 obviously preferably not the same as Mini.@Mini - Can you target Gamma for us?@Taylor - Can you target 1 of the 3 we don’t fade today and separate from who Mini checks? (We talked earlier, I feel it’s acceptable not to list em again here) also, it’s fine if you target the same person as Bob.

ok we ready to move on here? i think we ready.

get on osuka

again, mini targt gamma. bob on me (or whomever bob decides, but prolly me). me on one of the others. i wont target gamma, but no other promises

[Tayl0r Swift]

osu, you scum?
you scum yea?

[Tayl0r Swift]

In the Poe

i mean that goes without saying, so i didnt say it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

creature visited no one

[Tayl0r Swift]

I think Gamma is scum, so really the doctor thing isn’t gonna matter much.

youll be alive tomorrow to tell us who you shot anyway.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think dont shoot BM tonight. i think BM is prolly town for pointing out the doc healing town thing.

[Tayl0r Swift]

targeted taylor and she has no gun

if youd just asked i would have told you that

[Tayl0r Swift]

Okay, so here's what I think the plan should be.

If Gamma flips scum doctor, gunsmith Pooky, I'm shooting Creature. Ydrasse doctors Bob.
If Gamma flips scum not doctor, gunsmith becomes irrelevant, I'm shooting Taylor. Ydrasse doctors Flavor Leaf.
If Gamma is town, gunsmith Creature, I'm shooting Taylor. Ydrasse doctors 1 of me and Bob, they don't say it out loud.

I say we go with this.

we already have a track on creature. we should check pooky. i also dont think you should ever kill me until the scum not doctor flips. we are gonna kill 1 scum for sure this game. if its the doc then im clear. we shouldnt flip me or BM until we hit a scum. we flip gamma then pooky then creature until we hit scum. if that doesnt end the game we re-evaluate.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Like I'm super paranoid of some Johnny next level scum play, but like, I can't even think of a tinfoil for it.

this is the situation i'm referring to. and from my perspective, if town loses this it's because we have focussed on mechsolving rather than scumhunting. In a normal scenario, Johnny is an easy flip. We'll see, I'm just going on the record now so I can save face if we lose. but if you're right, a win is a win, and gratefully received.

battle mage locktown

I think the game ends with Gamma fade, Taylor vig, tbh.

And if not, Bob can possibly catch out Creature anyways. It's just the process. Everytime you speak, I town read you, so I'm actively creating a situation where I'm defending you because you're the secondary option to fade today. I'm defending you in that scenario, if that makes sense.

how are you back to this shitty scumread?

[Tayl0r Swift]

so... the vig shot should also not be announced publicly. we only announce who bob is targeting. then FL shoots someone other than that. and the doc makes a decision for themself. being vague maximizes the odds that our doc stops the kill tonight, and minimizes the odds that the vig kill is stopped. the vig kill being stopped isnt the end of the world but forcing a mislunch tomorrow is kinda bad even if it might happen anyway. we need to flip gamma pooky and creature first though. once we know that doesnt win the game then we can flip me or BM. creature goes last out of gamma pooky and Bm because of my half-clear. the reason i tracked creature is i wanted to track the towniest of the three - the one most likely to be performing the kill. i dont think creature ever sits idly while gamma or pooky do the kill. so creature is prolly town. that leaves the solve as gamma and pooky.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Honestly I really think Creature is town by play so the only way I accept a plan before I figure out what I'm working on is if he's the proposed survivor.

this post only comes from scum who is about to die and trying to create wifom.

[Tayl0r Swift]

With any luck, Taylor concedes again down the sights to my Vig shot, in which, I would be fair, and sentence them to the jail cell rather than the graveyard to end this game.

i conceded yesterday a few times already.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think im already bussing, but just in case

VOTE: gamma

[Tayl0r Swift]

gg and thanks for modding