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[Battle Mage]

is ms loading really slow for anyone else or should i call comcast

i had the same problem, but assumed it was my brain working too fast...

[Battle Mage]

also, just to say, i'm full of love for this playerlist. <3

[Battle Mage]

I'm

vanilla town

btw

[Battle Mage]

I'm

vanilla town

btw

there can only be one

VOTE: Battlemage

only one vanilla town!? wow don't i feel special!

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: BM
way too excited about this PL. perhaps scum seeking to pocket everyone?

haha yes exactly! well except the bit about me being scum. I'd love to pocket everyone!

Also on a serious note - Pooky, you town here?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

He knows why

ah so you are scum!

VOTE: mini - initial feels

[Battle Mage]

also Pooky, I literally just saw I lost Rata Mall at the end. does this technically end my 2020 unbeaten streak as scum?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: shellyc confscum

i hadnt seen this. Ok, we'll do Shelly after Mini!

[Battle Mage]

has ice cream mafia been done before? probably. it’d be cute to be vanilla bean town instead.

fr though, bm, what compelled you to share that...?

it was a game I played with Pooky, and I don't think we'd spoken since then! sorry it wasnt hugely useful to game though...good to see ya though mate!

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: mini - initial feels

Why?

i didn't vibe with the way he prefaced his vote for Pooky. "imma start with this". Took time to make it clear it was not going to be a vote that stayed, perhaps to avoid confrontation. Counter-intuitive for town, where it's marginally better for semi-random votes to have a touch of intent. Not a huge deal, but worth a vote for me.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: BM
way too excited about this PL. perhaps scum seeking to pocket everyone?

haha yes exactly! well except the bit about me being scum. I'd love to pocket everyone!

Also on a serious note - Pooky, you town here?

I'm town homie. you sure you don't want to claim tracker

hey, i'll save that for LyLo this time

you still got your lie detector?

[Battle Mage]

let's put it to the test:

I am town.

What do you think?

[Battle Mage]

also Pooky, I literally just saw I lost Rata Mall at the end. does this technically end my 2020 unbeaten streak as scum?

gonna end your unbeaten streak this game :3

and we were the good guys in rata mall until you decided to enter the wrong code and got us both killed

I think we were the good guys until you left me alone to get stabbed by that evil zombie doctor.

although i did appreciate you sacrificing your own life to try and save me after I was:

A. already dead
B. scum

[Battle Mage]

I think you're lying

...maybe PM Ambic.

[Battle Mage]

has ice cream mafia been done before? probably. it’d be cute to be vanilla bean town instead.

fr though, bm, what compelled you to share that...?

Its mindgames! A real vanilla townie would never claim vanilla townie, but battle mage would know that, so he is claiming vanilla townie as vanilla townie to attract scum attention. Of course battle mage also knew i would post this analysis and leak his plan to scum, so he actually isnt vanilla townie. I have to say, a stroke of genius on that simple play.

It sounds like you've been playing real-time chinese mafia...in real-time.

[Battle Mage]

By the way, im scum! After a year in rehab, MS moderators finally found it fit to give me scum. I hope i'll have a wondrous experience deceiving all of you, even the ones i like!

I'm always good to quick-elim a Day 1 scumclaim.

VOTE: dongempire

[Battle Mage]

some serious trolling going on here :>

All done with love mate! Although that always makes me cry with laughter for some reason. It was a brilliant intervention. Probably my fave quote in MS history

[Battle Mage]

let's put it to the test:

I am town.

What do you think?

claiming town on the first page? the scumminess is strong within this one!

I find it suspicious that you find this suspicious. Also, the post you quoted was page 2.

[Battle Mage]

what if we flip you this page?

[Battle Mage]

i dont know what you expect me to do with it? i made it, and that's basically it lol

[Battle Mage]

just to flag, my activity may be a bit lower in this game, as i now have a few running concurrently and a busy couple weeks ahead.

let's aim to avoid 100 pages for Day 1 to help a brother out.

[Battle Mage]

i am hereby retracting my vanilla claim

[Battle Mage]

for those unfamiliar with me btw, I am the dirt worst player on this site. lol

[Battle Mage]

as town, anyway

[Battle Mage]

my vote on BM was not RVS but rather policy lunch.

how come?

[Battle Mage]

to add little flavour to my rvs.

i suspect dong with the candlestick in the ballroom

excellent, but would you make it an accusation?

[Battle Mage]

i may or may not be playing cluedo

i may or may not be playing mafia - sometimes it's hard to tell!

[Battle Mage]

i may or may not be playing cluedo

i may or may not be playing mafia - sometimes it's hard to tell!

well i actualy am

how you feelin?

[Battle Mage]

Since this is a board game mafia game I suggest we all fill out this questionnaire:


1) What is your Favorite Board Game?
2) Favorite memory playing Board Games?
3) If you could live in the universe of a Board Game - which one would it be?
4) If you were stuck on a desert island with a few friends - and a large supply of food and water - which one board game would you like to have to play while you wait for rescue?
5) If you could pick one board game to never exist - what would it be?

1. Avalon maybe, or Risk or Diplomacy?
2. Playing monopoly by myself as a kid to see if i just kept going round the board, which property i'd land on the most, to work out probabilities.

[Battle Mage]

why do mods start games at 2am smh

VOTE: Ydrasse

don’t have time to read the 4 pages yet

2am?? according to my calculations, this means you are somewhere around Saudi Arabia/Yemen in timezones?

[Battle Mage]

RQS = pooky confirmed scum
also BM you’re close but not exact

hmm, i guess maybe the answer is that the Mod, and a lot of other players don't live in the same timezone as you then?

[Battle Mage]

don't forget, it might be 2am where you are, but it will be a different time for other people depending on where they live!

[Battle Mage]

Get ready for a game solve next page

Next page? I have one ready this page if you like. Battle Mage would know all about it.

Mage, I’m disappointed you didn’t acknowledge this post

It wasn't a question - I did read it mate!

[Battle Mage]

im gonna not post here for 12 hours at least for now.
im sorry that im overexcited with this plist, and I would like to make it clear that im not trying to strategically play in an anti-town way.

pooky we seem to have different ideas of what reaction testing even is, and im just going to leave it at that.

I really really hate D1 death-tunnels esp early in the game.

I had the unfortunate experience of playing against a D1 death-tunnel a few months ago and it was one of the worst experiences I can remember on this site - it was TvT and we ended up losing badly because death tunnels really suck.

They are a very easy way to play the game and a great emotional outlet but they are also negative EV, suck a ton of energy out of the game and are just generally unpleasant.

Preach brother! I had a similar one at that time (maybe it was the same player? i legit recall him telling me that you were his hero). I just couldn't talk the guy round, and eventually he replaced out after like 40 pages of crap. we still lost.

That said, I've been on the other end of it too. You're right though, it's bad practice.

[Battle Mage]

as a former scum-partner of Ydrasse, im going to reserve judgement until a bit later.

[Battle Mage]

Another reason why meta is trash is because you’re aware of it.

I read through launch mob and this is one of your posts

@battle mage: regarding your 110

1) what makes post 31 awkward? i don't really see how it feels out of place.

2) the way you're viewing post 42 feels at odds with your view on post 39. isn't midway outing a towny gutread being liberal with his allegiences?

which is almost verbatim what you’re doing now

pedit: pushing is my go-to way of solving, have faith in my pushes

i read the quote before i read the rest of the post, and spent time trying to figure out why the hell midwaybear and blair were in this game.

[Battle Mage]

Osuka/pooky/bm are all town here
Whichever one or you is neighbourhood creator, make one please

I will not disclose whether I am the neighbourhood creator or not. yet anyway.

[Battle Mage]

am i obvtown here again? excellent, im just gonna kick back and chill then!

[Battle Mage]

ah, the classic fence-sit (which isnt AI especially this early on tbh)

look @mini everyone can clearly see you’re bullshitting and if you’re town you need to seriously reconsider

nobody on this plist has played with town!me I think

i dont think thats true.

also @ppl - gotta chill, keep it fun!

[Battle Mage]

I think Bob is scum.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Bob

[Battle Mage]

nah I changed my mind. UNVOTE:

also, did you win mini normal 2148?

[Battle Mage]

I think it's Mini.

VOTE: Mini

[Battle Mage]

nah I changed my mind. UNVOTE:

also, did you win mini normal 2148?

why do you ask bm. As i thought you would know that one. After all it was game you were scum too

thats exactly why i asked! it's not on my games played list - if we won, i'll add it. if we lost...i'll discount all the games I repped out.

[Battle Mage]

we won

nice job buddy!

[Battle Mage]

although i like having someone at -3, i'm not mad about it being shelly. i like shelly.

[Battle Mage]

ah screw it, nothing else is happening. and i dont agree with reasoning above - unopposed wagon like that flips scum a lot.

VOTE: shelly

[Battle Mage]

could i see a mini shelly scumpair? yes

[Battle Mage]

night? sweet. gimme some of that juice!

Taylor obvscum here btw - if I flip tonight, elim her immediately.

[Battle Mage]

I find it very intriguing that no solid case was made on me by anyone on this shelly wagon yet I am turboeliminated

i just wanted to see if we could quick-elim somebody, but wasn't really expecting it to happen

a low info, low effort day

[Battle Mage]

I'll see you tonight Pookster

[Battle Mage]

mini megabyte and battle mage are good places to start. probably TGP too

quit trolling me dude, or i'll policy-elim ya ass

[Battle Mage]

Why Battle mage Taytay

...taytay?

she just bullyin me dawg

[Battle Mage]

You vote tgp and I'll sheep

pooky was jokin dude, tgp dead

[Battle Mage]

TGP's flip should indicate the wagon was heavily scum-driven - I think that's more likely in the scenario that Ydrasse is town rather than mafia as there's no reason for mafia to want to escalate Ydra/Shelly if it was T/S.

i didn't draw that conclusion about TGP's flip.

I'm guessing there's some weird rules in this game where scum can kill their teammates? or a vig i guess, but less likely...

No-elim then?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: gamma emerald

[Battle Mage]

is this just 4 pages of Flavour Leaf spamming "BM is scum" with no reason, and hedging everything else on that bad read?

Yeah I'll pass.

[Battle Mage]

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

yes its very strange and not like shelly at all - that said, i know shelly is trying to be less agressive and overconfident, so ill give her a pass somewhat because it could be her trying to figure out how to chill out and re-evaluate.

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a

weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says

. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

explain the bold. As i dont see her distancing from her own reads. At most shelly is saying that she trust me when i say that the start of day one is best used to town hunt.

Notice the difference between Taylor and Bob. Both are players who didn’t end up on the Shelly wagon. Bob questions Golden. Taylor picks a side.

Golden then responds to only Bob’s post.

wat.

how is me taking a side scum indicative? Me knowing shelly well enough to read her correctly is town-indicative if anything. thats an easy wagon for scum to hop on.

uh when i flip town, vig plspls shoot flavor leaf. flavor leaf steps in, townleads, and immediately directs pressure away from BM and onto me. FL is probably scum and probably wont get lunched.

by your own logic, assuming i'm town (spoiler: I am), why does Flavor Leaf directing pressure away from 1 town onto another mean he is probably scum?

Alternatively, assuming by your logic that I'm not town, why Vig Flavor Leaf for a potential association to me, rather than just vigging me?

Don't buy it.

[Battle Mage]

gut says flav is town here

agree - don't think scum come out D2 firing on all cyclinders like that

isn't that flavor leaf's gimmick?

[Battle Mage]

How did a mafia person die overnight? Also there is a lot of posts I have to read so imma do that now

I think they probably realized it was hopeless and decided to off themselves.

this is the dumbest thing ive ever heard

why would scum ever nk themselves

geez man, looks like a joke is all

[Battle Mage]

ok but can you prod her anyway I miss her :3

Did you have a good night? :3

I love you man but I hope you're crumbing something here, because it's creeping me out lol

[Battle Mage]

Ah, this might be why Battle Mage made sure to bring up targets, so he could explain if he was going to be seen later. He might have thought this was a track crumb.

it's a joke, last game i played with BM he fake-claimed tracker and got me lynched at lylo and won the game :3

in fairness, i was a mafia tracker, so it was an easy fake-claim

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: BM
way too excited about this PL. perhaps scum seeking to pocket everyone?

haha yes exactly! well except the bit about me being scum. I'd love to pocket everyone!

Also on a serious note - Pooky, you town here?

I'm town homie. you sure you don't want to claim tracker

Ah, this might be why Battle Mage made sure to bring up targets, so he could explain if he was going to be seen later. He might have thought this was a track crumb.

dude if you're gonna make a case on me, can you actually do it? rather than half-assed shading across dozens of posts? I have no idea what you're talking about above, and assume it follows from successive incorrect assumptions you've made earlier, but unless you put together something vaguely coherent and concise, I'm not inclined to work hard to correct you.

It would be helpful if you can do 1 post where you set out the things which make you think I'm scum or town, and then I can respond. Otherwise, just seems like you're railroading the town with no substance, and

no real interest in solving

. Which, curiously, appears to be an argument you've levied yourself against Taylor.

[Battle Mage]

I'd sheep Mith, Chk, Hectic, Isis, Skitter, Alyssa The Lamb, Glork and probably a few others that I'm not remembering off the top of my head.

Mith yes. Glork, Hectic maybe. Alyssa and not BM? Harumph...

[Battle Mage]

By the way, im scum! After a year in rehab, MS moderators finally found it fit to give me scum. I hope i'll have a wondrous experience deceiving all of you, even the ones i like!

I'm always good to quick-elim a Day 1 scumclaim.

VOTE: dongempire

just to flag, my activity may be a bit lower in this game, as i now have a few running concurrently and a busy couple weeks ahead.

let's aim to avoid 100 pages for Day 1 to help a brother out.

^^this, please.

VOTE: dong outright scumclaiming? even scummier than BM townclaiming!

VOTE: dong

up he goes.

was that a hammer? wtf is with people today.

in case it wasnt,

VOTE: BM

im so tempted to join the troll army at this point

I believe this put Dongen to F-1. Golden put the F-2 vote, which is decently anti partnery as that is a momentum swinging vote. Bob voting right after Golden there also gives some town points.

Battle Mage tried making it happen earlier on this page, and Pooky actively slows things down, so Pooky likely town.

Taylor actively picks a different path yet again.

oh i see. you replaced into the slot that claimed scum, and are OMGUSing me because I said I'd happily flip it? glad we've cleared that up and can move on!

[Battle Mage]

So like I'm clearly seeing bitterness here and I don't follow the BM suspicion here as easily as I do the taylor, but BM is there a point to this bitterness? Are you actually accusing Flavor of being scum here or just wrong?

No bitterness man, it's just a bit lame whenever someone is spamming the thread tunnelling you for no reason, but presenting it as if they are scumhunting.

I suppose I'm accusing him of being unclear in terms of the reasons for his suspicions, failing to make an active effort to engage with me, and instead spamming the thread with either propaganda of "BM is scum", or making further hypotheses which rely on the false presumption that I'm scum, all of which are unhelpful and not pro-town.

I think my only previous game with Flavor Leaf he declared he "didn't do Day 1", and then died N1. But he's reputed as a good player. This is not good stuff, so yeah I'm gonna go with possible scum.

I see you hedged your own bets above, so appears you are not averse to elimming me? do tell me why

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I'm not sold on Taylor-scum, but fine flipping her to keep the game moving. At least with taylor, she tunnels me but is perfectly clear that she is doing it baselessly.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Taylor Swift

[Battle Mage]

By the way, im scum! After a year in rehab, MS moderators finally found it fit to give me scum. I hope i'll have a wondrous experience deceiving all of you, even the ones i like!

I'm always good to quick-elim a Day 1 scumclaim.

VOTE: dongempire

just to flag, my activity may be a bit lower in this game, as i now have a few running concurrently and a busy couple weeks ahead.

let's aim to avoid 100 pages for Day 1 to help a brother out.

^^this, please.

VOTE: dong outright scumclaiming? even scummier than BM townclaiming!

VOTE: dong

up he goes.

was that a hammer? wtf is with people today.

in case it wasnt,

VOTE: BM

im so tempted to join the troll army at this point

I believe this put Dongen to F-1. Golden put the F-2 vote, which is decently anti partnery as that is a momentum swinging vote. Bob voting right after Golden there also gives some town points.

Battle Mage tried making it happen earlier on this page, and Pooky actively slows things down, so Pooky likely town.

Taylor actively picks a different path yet again.

oh i see. you replaced into the slot that claimed scum, and are OMGUSing me because I said I'd happily flip it? glad we've cleared that up and can move on!

i double-checked, you didn't even replace into that slot, you used to be innocent villager. johnny was the scumclaim slot

[Battle Mage]

So like I'm clearly seeing bitterness here and I don't follow the BM suspicion here as easily as I do the taylor, but BM is there a point to this bitterness? Are you actually accusing Flavor of being scum here or just wrong?

No bitterness man, it's just a bit lame whenever someone is spamming the thread tunnelling you for no reason, but presenting it as if they are scumhunting.

I suppose I'm accusing him of being unclear in terms of the reasons for his suspicions, failing to make an active effort to engage with me, and instead spamming the thread with either propaganda of "BM is scum", or making further hypotheses which rely on the false presumption that I'm scum, all of which are unhelpful and not pro-town.

I think my only previous game with Flavor Leaf he declared he "didn't do Day 1", and then died N1. But he's reputed as a good player. This is not good stuff, so yeah I'm gonna go with possible scum.

I see you hedged your own bets above, so appears you are not averse to elimming me? do tell me why

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I'm not sold on Taylor-scum, but fine flipping her to keep the game moving. At least with taylor, she tunnels me but is perfectly clear that she is doing it baselessly.

So what makes you think he couldnt simply be a town player who is wrongly scum reading you. As such things will happen to any players.

i havent said, or even insinuated, that it isn't possible he is town. I'm saying I think he could be scum.

[Battle Mage]

at the momet i feel shelly can go in the town pile

No counter wagon formed. If shelly was scum you woudl expect a wagon to hit 3. Which is a sign that the player is scum.

Lone wagon. either means hard bussed or town

ah screw it, nothing else is happening. and i dont agree with reasoning above - unopposed wagon like that flips scum a lot.

VOTE: shelly

Battlemage what did you think of my posts that is stated that shelly was highly likely town there. Before the point you vote shelly

i cant remembered if i replied to post 378 at the time, but my thought when i read it was that i completely disagreed with your logic.

[Battle Mage]

you say it not pro-town but that doesnt preclude it coming from town. Nothing you post actual says why you think flav is scum. at most it says that you think his push on you is anti-town. which can be done by town and scum. So why does what you claim to not be pro town behaviour lead you to the conclusion that flav is scum? As Opposed to another towny tunneling on you

I literally answered this question in the post you are responding to - I'm not going to repeat it again.

I'm baffled that 2 players here are perfectly happy with the position that Flavor Leaf is misguided town, but I haven't seen any evidence of them challenging him directly on it. Instead, they argue with me about whether or not I can think he's scummy for pushing weak arguments and not engaging with people he wants to sort. That's unapologetically scummy, and I ain't buying the shit that Flavor Leaf is just anti-town and it's NAI as a defence.

Instead, I think jumping on the phrase "anti-town" as a crutch to defend Flavor Leaf from little old me, without really giving much regard to ones own suspicion or perspective, is itself scummy.

So yeah, I'll go out on a limb and say plenty of people I'd flip today rather than a policy-elim on Taylor.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah, I was at that truck stop that Battle Mage is at like 50 hours ago.

Onto T Swizzle.

[Battle Mage]

I clearly stated I understand I could be wrong, so even if you are town, it isn’t misguided, and on top of that, I’m not even voting you here.

Overreaction.

A wrong read is not a bad read.

Feeling this

I see your feelings.

It's a bad read though.

[Battle Mage]

Also which of it is bad, Battle Mage?

The analysis, the wagonomics?

Because if you’re referring to just the read on you, then yeah, that’s just some personal stuff you’re gonna have to get over because I’m looking at the game from a much bigger scale than you are if that is the case, and you need to get over getting upset from being scum read by a person who just replaced in.

If you’re town, just scum hunt, prove you’re town.

I evolve and change my reads constantly because I never assume I’m correct, I just go down rabbit holes until i find a rabbit.

I think you should take your own advice, instead of wasting everyone's time trying to railroad me with nothing

and before you talk to me about looking at the game from a bigger scale than anybody else, maybe take a look at the folk riding your coattails?

[Battle Mage]

Or if I want a fade specifically on one person, otherwise eliciting reactions is the right way to approach a game and cement myself into the walls and figure out where scum is.

I’ve also explained why, and just because you are town doesn’t mean it’s not a solid case/reasoning.

I explained my entire thought process throughout multiple posts, so lack of case isn’t the issue. You’re just one of those people who get overly sensitive when they get scum read.

Gotta get past that.

I've challenged you to set out said case in 1 post, or at least somewhat more concisely. The posts I read were gibberish, starting with the assumption I was scum, and used things I had done to prove your own hypothesis correct. No bueno. You'll forgive me if i don't care to go through that line by line.

I'm not gonna respond to any of your personal comments either, so don't waste any more time on that.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: BM
way too excited about this PL. perhaps scum seeking to pocket everyone?

haha yes exactly! well except the bit about me being scum. I'd love to pocket everyone!

Also on a serious note - Pooky, you town here?

I'm town homie. you sure you don't want to claim tracker

Ah, this might be why Battle Mage made sure to bring up targets, so he could explain if he was going to be seen later. He might have thought this was a track crumb.

dude if you're gonna make a case on me, can you actually do it? rather than half-assed shading across dozens of posts? I have no idea what you're talking about above, and assume it follows from successive incorrect assumptions you've made earlier, but unless you put together something vaguely coherent and concise, I'm not inclined to work hard to correct you.

It would be helpful if you can do 1 post where you set out the things which make you think I'm scum or town, and then I can respond. Otherwise, just seems like you're railroading the town with no substance, and

no real interest in solving

. Which, curiously, appears to be an argument you've levied yourself against Taylor.

No, the way I do it is perfect at eliciting reactions, just as it has here.

and your deduction about my alignment based on my reaction is? yeah i thought not

[Battle Mage]

im not gonna bleat on about optimal town gameplay, because frankly nobody would give a crap, but at the moment we have 1 wagon which is basically a policy-elim on Taylor? which as noted, I'm not completely opposed to, but it gives minimal info if she flips town currently. I'd like to see more evidence of people thinking for themselves, so I can townblock somebody.

lazy boys would be delighted to see a case by anybody, on anybody. i dont even care if its a case on me, by flavorleaf, which succinctly consolidates 40 posts. please accept the challenge so i have something to engage with!

[Battle Mage]

Get over yourself.

shit like this, i will ignore. friendly game please.

[Battle Mage]

The shade though. Which people on the coattails should flavor be looking at? You got me, Gamma, and Bob i think? I feel pretty good about that group

i think more you and bob, Gamma looked more like self-preservation? and i don't share your confidence about either of you.

[Battle Mage]

If I am correct with BM/Taylor, this is exactly how they both have to respond.

One busses, one attacks me.

this is the kind of thing i've explained is particularly weak. You presume 2 people are scum, and cite what they have done, with no suggestion of whether/how it is alignment indicative as if that proves your point. to be polite, i don't consider that scumhunting.

[Battle Mage]

Get over yourself.

shit like this, i will ignore. friendly game please.

I say everything in a friendly manner. Picture that with a giant smile.

Literally everything I will say will be all in game.

Nice hang up on the one little thing, though. Duly noted.

it's the first thing i read. it was helpful, as it was a clear indication that i could ignore the rest of that post.

[Battle Mage]

Gamma looked more like self-preservation

This is true, but I believe it comes from townGamma still, and I believe you know that it’s townGamma, and you just pushed it as scummy because you have a scum agenda.

strawmanning me here, as i'd inferred in that post that gamma was relatively more likely town of those 3 players, and you instead suggest above i am pushing him as scum in order to defend your own position on me.

[Battle Mage]

Fade Taylor, Vig Battle Mage, easy money

sounds like scumtalk to me

are you vigging me because i'm explaining weaknesses in your argument?

[Battle Mage]

You’re just looking at everything from an extreme surface level

again, i think this is true of yourself rather than me, and i've evidenced that when I've responded to your posts about me.

[Battle Mage]

If I am correct with BM/Taylor, this is exactly how they both have to respond.

One busses, one attacks me.

this is the kind of thing i've explained is particularly weak. You presume 2 people are scum, and cite what they have done, with no suggestion of whether/how it is alignment indicative as if that proves your point. to be polite, i don't consider that scumhunting.

Frankly, that was a Taylor case not a BM a case, and it’s a supplementary statement, not a full thing. It’s not supposed to be the full meal, it’s a garnish to your plate.

nice backtrack says "BM/Taylor" though. unless your case on Taylor relies on me being scum? in which case, wha?

[Battle Mage]

You also say Taylor gives minimal info.

I disagree. We have multiple people who have jumped onto the slot, and multiple wagons to look at.

There’s a lot of info to be gained from a Taylor wagon.

And you best get used to accepting it, because really it’s just gonna turn to you.

You guys are playing a weird cooperative survivalistic game whilst still trying to stay distancing.

You’re also choosing to ignore basic wagonomics and push it like you have no idea why you’re being pushed.

Cuz you’re the only one who sees it that way

its clear from your posts dude, even though you protest you aren't assuming i'm scum, you are. And it appears to be a key assumption in your Taylor-scum scenario. Which means you don't have much of a case on anybody.

i'm not really getting pushed at all - i'm getting railroaded by you, and the classic Taylor-tunnel. I guess maybe you thought I'd be a soft target who wouldn't point out weaknesses in your logic?

it's a bad gamestate for town with 1 person determining everything that happens - regardless of your alignment. The logical weaknesses on top of that make it worse. You can disagree with me on anything, and I'll respect your right to be wrong.

[Battle Mage]

Fade Taylor, Vig Battle Mage, easy money

sounds like scumtalk to me

are you vigging me because i'm explaining weaknesses in your argument?

I’m not arguing one bit here. I’m stating possible outcomes.

It’s just really not gonna work in your favor, man. There’s people in this game that have seen my unorthodox style and seen my use it to solve games, if you’re scum, you picked the wrong path to go down.

....yeah except i'm not scum. I'm town looking at your "unorthodox style" and thinking that it's logically flawed, not conducive to solving anything, and regardless of your alignment likely to hurt town. and this is coming from Battle Mage - I'm hardly the world's greatest scumhunter myself.
Although with respect, if I was scum, you'd never be able to catch me.

Let me turn the question back round. If you are town, could you consider taking a step back and re-evaluating your own reads, taking account of your evident bias at this point? As it's clear to me that you've chosen the wrong path to go down.

[Battle Mage]

Frankly, if you are town, you will now start to obstruct my view of scum hunting, and i am very much okay with sacrificial townies when need be, so it really doesn’t matter to me right now if you’re scum or town. This will be a discussion to analyze for later since I’m currently fine with Taylor wagon.

on the contrary, if you're town, consider this a helpful intervention to stop you mis-elimming me. or mis-elimming other people on the grounds they might be my partner

perhaps you should consider me being town as a prompt to look at your reads once more.

[Battle Mage]

Fade Taylor, Vig Battle Mage, easy money

sounds like scumtalk to me

are you vigging me because i'm explaining weaknesses in your argument?

I’m not arguing one bit here. I’m stating possible outcomes.

It’s just really not gonna work in your favor, man. There’s people in this game that have seen my unorthodox style and seen my use it to solve games, if you’re scum, you picked the wrong path to go down.

....yeah except i'm not scum. I'm town looking at your "unorthodox style" and thinking that it's logically flawed, not conducive to solving anything, and regardless of your alignment likely to hurt town. and this is coming from Battle Mage - I'm hardly the world's greatest scumhunter myself.
Although with respect, if I was scum, you'd never be able to catch me.

Let me turn the question back round. If you are town, could you consider taking a step back and re-evaluating your own reads, taking account of your evident bias at this point? As it's clear to me that you've chosen the wrong path to go down.

Yep, and if you are town, continue doing what you are doing. I’m sure it will help.

There’s a reason I moved to T swizzle instead of you, after all. Because I saw the potential of you being town.

I already have re-evaluated my reads.

My reads are always extremely fluid, so i don’t understand the take a step back comment.

I was voting you earlier, and now I switched votes. That is the definition of reevaluating.

Me, having a wrong read on you, is not choosing the wrong path to go down. That is playing the game and trying to town read everyone as best as I can.

as noted previously, you obviously haven't re-evaluated your read on me at all. thinking taylor is an easier elim is not the same thing.

[Battle Mage]

Frankly, if you are town, you will now start to obstruct my view of scum hunting, and i am very much okay with sacrificial townies when need be, so it really doesn’t matter to me right now if you’re scum or town. This will be a discussion to analyze for later since I’m currently fine with Taylor wagon.

on the contrary, if you're town, consider this a helpful intervention to stop you mis-elimming me. or mis-elimming other people on the grounds they might be my partner

perhaps you should consider me being town as a prompt to look at your reads once more.

You need to read more carefully. Just because I push someone as scum doesn’t even mean i think they are scum. Look at Gamma. I think you have scum equity, so I pushed a possible scenario that I thought could be likely.

If you are town, then you shouldn’t have to worry so much.

as town i always worry about the possibility of loud scum taking over the dayphase. balance is better.

i think you should take your own advice on reading more carefully!

[Battle Mage]

Although with respect, if I was scum, you'd never be able to catch me.

Lol.

Not a single scum player on this planet is this true for me.

cute

[Battle Mage]

You also say Taylor gives minimal info.

I disagree. We have multiple people who have jumped onto the slot, and multiple wagons to look at.

There’s a lot of info to be gained from a Taylor wagon.

And you best get used to accepting it, because really it’s just gonna turn to you.

You guys are playing a weird cooperative survivalistic game whilst still trying to stay distancing.

You’re also choosing to ignore basic wagonomics and push it like you have no idea why you’re being pushed.

Cuz you’re the only one who sees it that way

its clear from your posts dude, even though you protest you aren't assuming i'm scum, you are. And it appears to be a key assumption in your Taylor-scum scenario. Which means you don't have much of a case on anybody.

i'm not really getting pushed at all - i'm getting railroaded by you, and the classic Taylor-tunnel. I guess maybe you thought I'd be a soft target who wouldn't point out weaknesses in your logic?

it's a bad gamestate for town with 1 person determining everything that happens - regardless of your alignment. The logical weaknesses on top of that make it worse. You can disagree with me on anything, and I'll respect your right to be wrong.

Nah, Taylor is scum over you. You just have your own individual stuff that makes Taylor scum even more likely.

I just say my thoughts.

People don’t have to follow me.

I don’t mind people “calling me out” because I can always back up my arguments, and I know when to drop certain stuff. I got the gift of gab, baby.

Which logical weakness are you talking about exactly?

I gave my thoughts, and people seemed to agree and sheep me. They even stated me as likely town.

So no matter what, this is beneficial to town because I was a complete null slot for people, and now people are actively town reading the slot.

As a townie, that’s exactly what I need to do. I have explained my thought process, pretty completely.

You just are scum or town who can’t comprehend it, whether you are choosing not to because of sensitive to being scum read is the question.

very cute! have you considered people sheeping you might be scum, happy that you are leading the town to 1 or more mis-elims? or is it more important for your mafia ego to blindly assume they are town?

[Battle Mage]

i hope nobody minds if I take the next couple of dayphases off? flavor leaf has it all under control apparently. and it would be too much effort to convince him or anyone else otherwise

[Battle Mage]

is anyone else noticing a pattern of FL ignoring the substance of my posts and responding to the fringy bits?

i feel your pain

i am so demotivated for this game right now. hopefully a bunch of people die quickly and it will be easier to actually do something constructive.

[Battle Mage]

who would you like to drop dead BM?

lots of people man, not you obviously. at the moment it's a bit like flavor leaf going off on some random tunnel with the weakest reasoning, and a bunch of folk sheeping him, but rather than challenge them, he continues his tunnel either because he's scum, or he's too bought into the idea his first solve was right that he can't step back and see what's going on around him. the only thing giving me some solace is that the amount of chat being spent on setting me up as a partner for Taylor, might actually mean she is scum and her partners are trying to tie me to her to get a compensatory mis-elim.

it's a bad gamestate where i struggle to see any value in me posting, and I'll only get frustrated so i may just kick back until things thin out or I experience merciful death.

[Battle Mage]

Already saw town get fooled by Battle Mage but I'll take him town

VOTE: BM
way too excited about this PL. perhaps scum seeking to pocket everyone?

Ohkay Battle Mag town

good take, and brave take in this game. some townpoints for you too.

[Battle Mage]

we're massclamming? lol better catch up i guess

[Battle Mage]

I'm kinda unhappy with bob because when I saw him post his posts seemed somewhat forced.

Yeah, Bob got unnaturally scummy after the Taylor vs Flavor.

I think he could be scum who was about to set up for the momentum to go towards me.

Because let’s be honest, the momentum was swinging towards me.

Taylor, BM, Bob, Osuka, and Creature were all ready to vote me. Don’t act like you werent

ready to vote you? i am voting you, and have been for ages. mostly out of principle.

[Battle Mage]

ill catch up after dinner as it seems some stuff may have actually happened...

[Battle Mage]

gimme the scoop boys...is everyone still just blindly doing everything Flavor leaf says?

[Battle Mage]

normal game, no jesters.

Also, let's just all claim:

No Block

or

Possible Block

I'm claiming No Block.

if everyone else claims ill claim but im very much against doing this today. theres plenty to go on as is. and if im town then BM is pretty much confscum right? why not just lunch there?

this caught my eye - im confscum if taylor is town? so taylor claimed scum? bold! and im flattered that scum-Taylor thinks she needs to make that play to 1v1 me

[Battle Mage]

Pros:

Flava Flav shot a bad guy
Flava Flav is conf town Vig
Flava Flav has a gun
Flava Flav talks like he knows what he's doing

Cons:
????

if he is a vig, im not sure why he'd claim here? just get himself killed for no reason? eh nobody cc'd?

also if he is a vig, that's not good news for town

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: bob

in post 957 you claimed i was confscum. and you're voting Bob now? NAGL

[Battle Mage]

gimme the scoop boys...is everyone still just blindly doing everything Flavor leaf says?

pretty much.

Flav as town is highly opinionated. And can be very wrong at times even getting obvous town lynched at times. Thing to remember is that by his own admission his strength is that he reevaluates and not his reads.

if he had shot town. he would be doing teh same song and dance. And its not hard to kill golden. if i had an action i would have seen golden as waste. Either a vig kills him, someelse checks or he is lynched day 2

ah in fairness i can understand it - I used to play like that too, but needlessly to say it either went moderately well or catastrophically badly. I think re-evaluating your reads and being able to take a step back and see the bigger picture are strengths as town overall. You don't always get the thrill of "being right" but it's +EV for the team and mafia is a team game.

[Battle Mage]

if he is a vig, im not sure why he'd claim here? just get himself killed for no reason? eh nobody cc'd?

also if he is a vig, that's not good news for town

he says he did it cuz massive pressure was coming his way from nowhere.

I think he did it cuz he likes waving his gun around (b ᵔ▽ᵔ)b

i think im the only one who has ever voted for him? is he very scared of me?

[Battle Mage]

I'm kinda unhappy with bob because when I saw him post his posts seemed somewhat forced.

Yeah, Bob got unnaturally scummy after the Taylor vs Flavor.

I think he could be scum who was about to set up for the momentum to go towards me.

Because let’s be honest, the momentum was swinging towards me.

Taylor, BM, Bob, Osuka, and Creature were all ready to vote me. Don’t act like you werent

this is false and really weird

agree

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage
Even if you weren’t already suspicious that post alone is ultra scummy

what post? the one where i said i dont give a crap? yeah, funny enough, this stuff above exacerbates that sentiment.

[Battle Mage]

Gamma, please do tell me how me being bored as fk by ppl tunnelling me for no reason is scummy.

[Battle Mage]

that crumb is not good. you could have claimed alien or JOAT or pretty much any less-common role. and i dont think millers are that wild/uncommon.

agree Johnny's miller crumb was weak AF. maybe even flip it.

[Battle Mage]

that crumb is not good. you could have claimed alien or JOAT or pretty much any less-common role. and i dont think millers are that wild/uncommon.

agree Johnny's miller crumb was weak AF. maybe even flip it.

Mah boy dong did a better one

get that dong out

[Battle Mage]

is bob being voted just cause he didnt massclaim? lol this game...

[Battle Mage]

i dont even get the point of crumbing miller

arent u just supposed to come out and claim it asap so the cop knows not to waste a shot on you

maybe, but the one thing i definitely dont get is crumbing miller really badly. a really good crumb would work for me actually.

[Battle Mage]

in general i hate "informed" claims.

[Battle Mage]

are you taking the piss?

[Battle Mage]

no idea why bob not claiming makes bob scum. hardly anyone has claimed so far? and scum less likely to be visibly refraining from claiming when challenged?

[Battle Mage]

Put that piss back

only if you show us that dong post you were bragging about

[Battle Mage]

also if he is a vig, that's not good news for town

I legit have 100% accuracy this game hitting scum. How is it not good for town?

I also have a proven record of being strong when I’m Vig.

I can only attest to you having 0% accuracy so far. So you'll understand why I'm not excited at the prospect.

[Battle Mage]

you got me im scum my role is

compulsive unfriendly Neighbor

each night i have tell one town player im scum

mate this game is hard work, please dont make it harder for me.

By the way, im scum! After a year in rehab, MS moderators finally found it fit to give me scum. I hope i'll have a wondrous experience deceiving all of you, even the ones i like!

you think that's a miller crumb!?

[Battle Mage]

I mean one scum IS dead so he's either a false vig or he's at least some percent accurate

i dont know that though, i only know he's been tunnelling town (me) ever since replacing in.

[Battle Mage]

you got me im scum my role is

compulsive unfriendly Neighbor

each night i have tell one town player im scum

mate this game is hard work, please dont make it harder for me.

By the way, im scum! After a year in rehab, MS moderators finally found it fit to give me scum. I hope i'll have a wondrous experience deceiving all of you, even the ones i like!

you think that's a miller crumb!?

ill stop when flav can tell me my role

i hold you to a higher standard than this dude. just stop please. i get that you're pissed off with Flavor Leaf, but getting into some spam war of BS isnt helping anyone else.

[Battle Mage]

are you having a breakdown?

[Battle Mage]

maybe i wont catch up after dinner.

[Battle Mage]

i dont even know or care what the fk is going on. can we just flip taylor who claimed i was confscum and then decided to vote for Bob instead because he wouldnt reveal his role?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: taylor

[Battle Mage]

wow this one died huh? i might get a chance to catch up tonight, watch this space!

[Battle Mage]

Anyway BM when your back

we need to know your role and if you got any fruit n1

i didnt get any fruit, and i'm a vanilla townie

[Battle Mage]

im all out of icecream, come back tommorrow for any fruit

BM did you get any fruiot last night

im loyal fruit vendor

so I guess Bob is scum for fakeclaiming fruit vendor, unless he got RBed.

Taylor also scum given her claim I am 100% confscum.

So I'm fine with being flipped today to nail 2 scum.

I also think Johnny is well worth a look for his miller claim and weak crumb.

Anything else needed from me?

[Battle Mage]

im all out of icecream, come back tommorrow for any fruit

BM did you get any fruiot last night

im loyal fruit vendor

so I guess Bob is scum for fakeclaiming fruit vendor, unless he got RBed.

Taylor also scum given her claim I am 100% confscum.

So I'm fine with being flipped today to nail 2 scum.

I also think Johnny is well worth a look for his miller claim and weak crumb.

Anything else needed from me?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: taylor as it doesn't really matter whether we flip her or Bob first, but she has played scummier.

[Battle Mage]

who claims next BM?

you i guess? I don't even know why people are claiming, I just cant be bothered to argue.

[Battle Mage]

ain't it funny how taylor avoids the thread when it's her turn to claim...

[Battle Mage]

Anyway BM when your back

we need to know your role and if you got any fruit n1

i didnt get any fruit, and i'm a vanilla townie

right answer. I didnt send you any


although your delayed reaction isnt as clearing as quick one would have been. But atleast i got read from taylors reaction.

but based on taylor's reaction i doubt she is scum. If you are VT and taylor scum. She would of expected the result and thus wouldn't have bothered to make pointed posts towards you

help me out brother:

what the fk is your actual claim?

why is anyone claiming?

why would anyone think i'm scum?

why would taylor's posts indicate she is town? she already committed to a "BM is scum or I'm scum" position, so she could hardly backtrack whatever I claimed.

what the fk is going on?

[Battle Mage]

those who shrugged at that whole thing have higher scum equity scum. As they would seen the thing as nonissue. They would know bM received or nor received fruit. So they would have expect BM to say fruit and not no fruit.

there's nothing to suggest taylor gave a legitimate crap about whether i had fruit or not

[Battle Mage]

its ok BM

Flava Flav will be back soon with his sidekick Johnny F to solve the game

what do you think about the game Pookster?

[Battle Mage]

is chinese realtime mafia played over actual day and night phases? i.e. a game takes a week?

[Battle Mage]

I'm excited for the next episode of Flava Flav

Pretty sure we are way ahead now so if we somehow lose it will be epic and funny as hell

alright ill kick back and chill then

who you think is scum out of interest?

[Battle Mage]

is chinese realtime mafia played over actual day and night phases? i.e. a game takes a week?

you gotta play chinese realtime mafia sometime, its very fun, the game lasts like an hour tops. Every1 gets a 60 seconds to say what they want and then people vote, and it keeps going around like that until one side wins or loses.

it does sound fun! where do you play it?

[Battle Mage]

bob if fruit vendor isnt actually part of your role then i think you should claim properly. im a gated tracker. can elaborate, but not until more people claim.

ydrasse, you claim next please.

so presumably you are fakeclaiming a track result on me of some kind? otherwise how does this stack up against your claim I'm 100% confscum? should be easy as i obviously didn't go anywhere last night

[Battle Mage]

Anyway BM when your back

we need to know your role and if you got any fruit n1

i didnt get any fruit, and i'm a vanilla townie

right answer. I didnt send you any


although your delayed reaction isnt as clearing as quick one would have been. But atleast i got read from taylors reaction.

but based on taylor's reaction i doubt she is scum. If you are VT and taylor scum. She would of expected the result and thus wouldn't have bothered to make pointed posts towards you

help me out brother:

what the fk is your actual claim?

why is anyone claiming?

why would anyone think i'm scum?

why would taylor's posts indicate she is town? she already committed to a "BM is scum or I'm scum" position, so she could hardly backtrack whatever I claimed.

what the fk is going on?

Flav claimed vig and is trying to get everyone to claim so he doesnt shoot a town pr. And like usual he tried to push things through. He can be a real opinionated townie and get things very wrong at times with his intial pushes/execs.



My actual role im keeping to my chest a bit longer. Normaly i wouldnt even crumb till later in the game but since flav wants to out everyone i dropped a few teasers.

so he's gonna shoot me cause I claimed vanilla and his reads are bad? excellent

and that's also why you are pretending to be a town PR, and why Taylor claimed PR?

i had such high hopes for this game

[Battle Mage]

bob if fruit vendor isnt actually part of your role then i think you should claim properly. im a gated tracker. can elaborate, but not until more people claim.

ydrasse, you claim next please.

whats my alias this game

ok thats what i thought, but you crumbed multitasking too, so i thought maybe you were a fruit vendor with a modifier as well.

bob has claimed 20 different roles so far. how on earth do you figure he "crumbed" anything?

[Battle Mage]

bob if fruit vendor isnt actually part of your role then i think you should claim properly. im a gated tracker. can elaborate, but not until more people claim.

ydrasse, you claim next please.

so presumably you are fakeclaiming a track result on me of some kind? otherwise how does this stack up against your claim I'm 100% confscum? should be easy as i obviously didn't go anywhere last night

i did not track you last night.

Obviously not true then. No way Taylor-tracker ain't tracking me.

[Battle Mage]

im still good to flip taylor

[Battle Mage]

she still hasnt defended her claim of a guilty on me, and with her roleclaim, i think she's busted. unless she's lying as town i guess.

[Battle Mage]

bob if fruit vendor isnt actually part of your role then i think you should claim properly. im a gated tracker. can elaborate, but not until more people claim.

ydrasse, you claim next please.

whats my alias this game

ok thats what i thought, but you crumbed multitasking too, so i thought maybe you were a fruit vendor with a modifier as well.

bob has claimed 20 different roles so far. how on earth do you figure he "crumbed" anything?

i know what he crumbed

5 posts ago you thought he was a fruit vendor for some reason.

[Battle Mage]

did you get any useful result taylor

i can share more details when the claiming is complete.

you might be dead by then

[Battle Mage]

if im town then BM is pretty much confscum right? why not just lunch there?

[Battle Mage]

taylor i can buy a lot of people in this game sheeping Flavor, but not you, so that defence doesn't work.

[Battle Mage]

Gamma you prolly missed a few things bud.

I'm sure I did

Should I be claiming rn?

it doesnt even matter. apparently we're "popcorning" but im the only one who has actually claimed so far, and Bob and Taylor have failed to do so.

[Battle Mage]

Gamma you prolly missed a few things bud.

I'm sure I did

Should I be claiming rn?

it doesnt even matter. apparently we're "popcorning" but im the only one who has actually claimed so far, and Bob and Taylor have failed to do so.

did you read my posts?

i did unfortunately. otherwise i wouldnt have known you hadn't fully claimed.

[Battle Mage]

There is a lot of pages to read. I’m still in hospital and people are gonna think this is scummy but can anyone give me a quick rundown Till I can read everything?

Taylor claimed I am 100% confscum. So if BM-town (which I am), Taylor-scum.

Bob has broken the world record for fakeclaims.

We're massclaiming for no good reason, although everyone is just screwing about and not actually doing it, as deadline approaches.

this is basically all Flavor Leaf's fault, and he's disappeared.

That's it. You should vote Taylor.

[Battle Mage]

Thank you for that I know the question is scummy go some people but I can barely move as it is

not a scummy question. you should vote taylor though. its nearly deadline.

or if not taylor, johnny

[Battle Mage]

FL: Vig
Johnny: Informed Miller
Taylor: VT
BM: VT

Gamma/Pooky, since you here, wanna claim?

curious...Taylor didn't claim VT?

[Battle Mage]

honestly if this were any other game the massclaim would piss me off but rn this is my mood

This is the exact time to use Mass Claim, people just don’t know how to use mass claim o their advantage unless it slaps them in the face.

I agree with Gamma. This isn't a good time to mass claim, but i've basically written this one off for my own sanity.

[Battle Mage]

I didn’t see the tracker claim, and thought BM and TS were both VT claims.

I just found the gated tracker claim.

I did claim VT!

[Battle Mage]

I will be shooting in the people who have not claimed roles.

why dont i believe anything you say?

[Battle Mage]

Explain why it isn’t a good time for mass claim?

I literally doesn’t matter if scum know who’s what right now, it literally just pigeonholes them.

Scum take advantage of the knowledge gap.

They already know who they shot at and failed, they know something stopped them, and scum usually can PR hunt way easier than town because they know who their partners are, and they know who they shot at.

After a scum flip, and narrowing down, this is exactly when it is beneficial to mass claim.

dude... you're wrong, but i literally don't care enough to explain to you why

[Battle Mage]

i played a game recently with a really good vig. he just kept quiet and killed scum until we won.

[Battle Mage]

lol dude i dont care about your ego stuff. i just tell it like it is. massclaim was a dumb idea for town. you probably shouldnt even be shooting tonight given the odds of hitting scum compared to town are so low. im sure you will though to make yourself feel powerful.

[Battle Mage]

I will be shooting in the people who have not claimed roles.

why dont i believe anything you say?

In addition to this, scum who hear this, become instantly more open to claiming.

Right now, i think at least 1 of the remaining scum is in the unclaimed section.

The second scum is probably in the VT claims, or hasn’t claimed yet.

yes, it's inconceivable that scum would have claimed a PR

[Battle Mage]

lol dude i dont care about your ego stuff. i just tell it like it is. massclaim was a dumb idea for town. you probably shouldnt even be shooting tonight given the odds of hitting scum compared to town are so low. im sure you will though to make yourself feel powerful.

Eh, we’ll see. But this shows your out of touchness.

I usually holster N1 Vig shots.

nah dude, you're just misguided. but it's ok.

[Battle Mage]

So Johnny or Ydrasse, which is scum for you, BM?

johnny, unless Ydrasse claims Mafia Doctor lol

[Battle Mage]

As the Doctor of Scumonomics, I’ve learned there’s a power to holding specific card to your chest in order to get to a point in the game to survive until a solve is ready, so because I know my cunning level is maxed out, there are just things I’m able to push as own that other Can’t, and this goes both ways.

I can’t be a vigilante with a confirmed kill on scum without people wondering if I shot my own teammate. Happens way more often than you’d think.

But like, for that to have happened here, you’d have to believe I replaced in night 1, and convinced Golden, who had been here, that it’s a good idea for us to kill him to give me town cred.

I’m an extreme team player when it comes to being scum unless I see detriment in a partner.

Golden is never a detriment.

it would be a bad play for you, you'd never survive LyLo here.

[Battle Mage]

lol dude i dont care about your ego stuff. i just tell it like it is. massclaim was a dumb idea for town. you probably shouldnt even be shooting tonight given the odds of hitting scum compared to town are so low. im sure you will though to make yourself feel powerful.

Eh, we’ll see. But this shows your out of touchness.

I usually holster N1 Vig shots.

nah dude, you're just misguided. but it's ok.

Tell that to my numerous amounts of solves and victorious town performances. :shrug:

Guess you just can’t comprehend what you can’t understand even if there are facts to prove it.

so you won some games, but that doesnt mean you're right about everything. the fact you argue otherwise is a good example of why im not overwhelmed with the logic you've used in this game. in the cases above, you're wrong. being condescending about it is fine, but you notice this game has gone from being really vibrant to completely dead, and i dont think thats a coincidence.

even a shitty player like me solves some games and gets some stuff right.

[Battle Mage]

im conftown now? sweet, now i can live my dream of being NKed.

[Battle Mage]

also presumably this makes Taylor confscum, so why she not dead?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: johnnyfarrar

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: johnnyfarrar

this is not a valid vote. wtf.

VOTE: bm

[Battle Mage]

im conftown now?

No, you can still be mafia doctor

ah, well better than nothing!

Why cant we flip johnny again?

[Battle Mage]

This is the thing we have learnt nothing new from this mass claim. We outed every town pr in exchange for knowing all the players we thought were town are town

i actually think you're overstating the benefits here.

[Battle Mage]

i told you earlier, i concede.

It’s been on my mind since then.

Part of me legit thinks scum you quit, then Battle Mage changed minds and went “fuck it, let’s full send”.

So I still wanna believe I am right with BM and TS from earlier.

And it’s also looking like if they are the team, they’re probably the best pairing to get to that 50/50.

....what? i'm baffled at how difficult you seem to find it to admit you were completely wrong about my alignment.

[Battle Mage]

Why cant we flip johnny again?

He is informed miller?

you can prove that?

has he told us what his information is?

informed miller doesn't scream to me "do not elim"

[Battle Mage]

tactically, i think town's best play here is probably to elim Flavor Leaf. He's basically a serial killer at this point. He has like an 80% chance of killing town tonight, and only a 10% chance of killing scum. we probably should have done it before he outted all the PRs though...

[Battle Mage]

@bm: we’re not flipping johnny because he’s informed + the information slapped + he was protected from the nk

the information slapped?

so you're saying he was the scum NK target last night? can anyone corroborate that?

[Battle Mage]

also where are the 5 guns?

[Battle Mage]

im checking out, my vote stays on the claimed miller

[Battle Mage]

@bm: we’re not flipping johnny because he’s informed + the information slapped + he was protected from the nk

the information slapped?

so you're saying he was the scum NK target last night? can anyone corroborate that?

oh, i just meant that like... it was good info in the context of the claims we had

and yeah, unless scum nked johnny was targeted

did he claim it before or after though?

i dunno, nothing you're saying has really changed my mind. let's just flip him.

[Battle Mage]

This is the thing we have learnt nothing new from this mass claim. We outed every town pr in exchange for knowing all the players we thought were town are town

False.

You and Mini became conf town. As did Ydrasse and Johnny.

Like come on. Think

you think 4 people became conftown because they claimed PRs? lol id love to hear this one.

[Battle Mage]

This is the thing we have learnt nothing new from this mass claim. We outed every town pr in exchange for knowing all the players we thought were town are town

False.

You and Mini became conf town. As did Ydrasse and Johnny.

Like come on. Think

you think 4 people became conftown because they claimed PRs? lol id love to hear this one.

They did.

Johnny’s 5 gun informed confirms Bob, Myself, and Mini as town.

And ydrasse being the only protective + protection on Johnny makes them conf town.

5 conf town.


@Bob - Can you check Taylor tonight?

unless johnny is lying? which throws everybody else back into doubt.

ydrasse thing is not a certainty. but i'd prefer to flip johnny on your logic to confirm 3 others.

i find it hard to believe the setup would be so weak that it can be broken like this on day 2, despite scum getting a mis-elim on day 1.

[Battle Mage]

I still think Battle Mage is Mafia Doctor. I’ll likely shoot within them and Taylor if nothing’s figured out Night 3.


Okay, so we just need Mini to check in.


Creature actually is doing stuff, which gives him some town equity.

Battle Mage can be cleared of a Maf Doc flips.

Pooky, Osuka, Gamma is one of the 3 we should go.

2 pages ago you reckoned that i had come across as town in every interaction you had with me. Which begs the unanswerable question, why did you ever think I was scum? much less so now, when statistically the odds of me being scum are pretty slim in a world where Bob is town.

i'm fine with you killing me tonight though. you're a loose cannon, and at least it stops you killing a PR. plus it means i can escape this nightmare. i'm just at a total loss to defend your 'reads' or your 'strategy'. even if you're right, and somehow managed to mechanically break the game, that's definitely not a reflection of your brilliance - it's a stroke of total luck.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah, Osuka’s probably the partner to whichever of Creature/Gamma is scum.

I naturally town read Battle and Pooky when I’m interacting with them, and Taylor has essentially lost if she is scum.

for someone whose reads are "extraordinarily good", this is remarkably wrong

I mean, all 6 of you guys are gonna say the exact same thing,
So get outta here, I don’t care at this point, we got a mech solve.

you did say earlier on you had epic reads or some shit - apparently not

[Battle Mage]

im conftown now? sweet, now i can live my dream of being NKed.

nope

also presumably this makes Taylor confscum, so why she not dead?

nope

VOTE: johnnyfarrar

Hell naw.
VOTE: BM

you are claiming scum here? excellent

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: gamma

so we can flip something

[Battle Mage]

I still think Battle Mage is Mafia Doctor. I’ll likely shoot within them and Taylor if nothing’s figured out Night 3.


Okay, so we just need Mini to check in.


Creature actually is doing stuff, which gives him some town equity.

Battle Mage can be cleared of a Maf Doc flips.

Pooky, Osuka, Gamma is one of the 3 we should go.

2 pages ago you reckoned that i had come across as town in every interaction you had with me. Which begs the unanswerable question, why did you ever think I was scum? much less so now, when statistically the odds of me being scum are pretty slim in a world where Bob is town.

i'm fine with you killing me tonight though. you're a loose cannon, and at least it stops you killing a PR. plus it means i can escape this nightmare. i'm just at a total loss to defend your 'reads' or your 'strategy'. even if you're right, and somehow managed to mechanically break the game, that's definitely not a reflection of your brilliance - it's a stroke of total luck.

I can’t kill tonight. I’m odd night.

i wish you were odd day lol jks

[Battle Mage]

ok flavor leaf being gated is good news though

[Battle Mage]

I do reads black and white like most people.

I just have an ever evolving reads. I have won games specifically because I scum read someone who I always scum read when they are town, and i used that to hit actual scum, so don’t look at it in a black and white sense.

I also pushed you right when i joined in the game and didn’t have a full field of view. Mass claim did exactly what I thought it had potential to do.

Luck is a skill of mine.

i'll give the devil his due, if you're right it is incredible luck.

but i'm afraid i don't believe you "have an ever evolving reads". you admitted yourself you havent moved away from your original read when you first joined.

[Battle Mage]

I like you around too when you post stuff that makes sense :3

It just took me a while to get there. It works a lot better if people who know me well can be the middle man and make sense of what I’m trying to say.

Bob and Gamma SHOULD have been that.

@Gamma - Battle Mage never lives through this game if they are scum, so I think we can afford going elsewhere today. I agree, they could be playing ignorant scum who’s upset about the mech break. It’s scum’s job to avoid stuff like that, though day play wise.

if you have a pool of 3, including gamma, why do you bother trying to talk them out of spunking off their vote? seems a waste of energy.

[Battle Mage]

I do reads black and white like most people.

I just have an ever evolving reads. I have won games specifically because I scum read someone who I always scum read when they are town, and i used that to hit actual scum, so don’t look at it in a black and white sense.

I also pushed you right when i joined in the game and didn’t have a full field of view. Mass claim did exactly what I thought it had potential to do.

Luck is a skill of mine.

i'll give the devil his due, if you're right it is incredible luck.

but i'm afraid i don't believe you "have an ever evolving reads". you admitted yourself you havent moved away from your original read when you first joined.

that is how flav plays.

why doesnt he seem to know that though?

[Battle Mage]

Yeah, unfortunately, I do think you’re scum here, Gamma. I will actively listen to any cases tomorrow, of course, and I’m actively going Osuka over you today.

Just the mech break. :/

Taylor being scum could throw a wrench in everything, but let’s kill Osuka and move on with the game.

if johnny is scum and survives this game, i'm calling this as the worst town performance of 2020.

[Battle Mage]

there's like no way johnny is scum, he's been proven twice over

i aint seen that? someone said he waited until 4 or 5 people claimed to have guns, and then claimed his info was that 5 people had guns.

[Battle Mage]

i desperately want this game to be over lol

[Battle Mage]

im conftown now? sweet, now i can live my dream of being NKed.

nope

also presumably this makes Taylor confscum, so why she not dead?

nope

VOTE: johnnyfarrar

Hell naw.
VOTE: BM

you are claiming scum here? excellent

I’d say you are the one claiming scum by falsely suggesting you are conftown while pushing actual conftown

you're wasting your time dude, i'm conftown lol

[Battle Mage]

Patchwork is a lovely little 2 player game created by German designer Uwe Rosenberg. This is an example of one of his favourite mechanics - tetrising tiles together. The two players compete to get the right tiles, arranged in a circle around the board, to get as close as possible to completing their patchwork quilt. Each tile has a unique shape so once the thing you need is gone, it's gone for good.

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Offical Votecount 2.8

osuka (4): bob3141, Creature, Flavor Leaf, PookyTheMagicalBear

[E-2]

Battle Mage (2): Tayl0r Swift, Gamma Emerald
bob3141 (1): osuka
Gamma Emerald (1): Battle Mage

Not voting (3): Ydrasse, MiniMegabyte, JohnnyFarrar

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 players to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in

(expired on 2020-10-16 14:15:00)

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MiniMegabyte is V/LA

VOTE: osuka

end this day please

[Battle Mage]

Should we do night planning?

good idea.

im planning to do jackshit. you?

[Battle Mage]

ready

[Battle Mage]

bonus points as mod is here and can give us a quick flip

[Battle Mage]

its like 1 day until deadline, bob has posted 5 million times today and mini is V/LA lol

[Battle Mage]

also BM be quiet.

lol you be quiet

[Battle Mage]

Yeah this

UNVOTE:

eh, fair enough UNVOTE:

[Battle Mage]

like essentially the only way town loses here is if we get our wires crossed and play awful during the night. so lets make sure we dont fuck up our nightplay.

lol what are the odds you mess up your nightplay and blame me?

[Battle Mage]

i'll see y'all tomorrow then, unless scum wanna do me a big solid and NK me lol