Questionable Balcony

[Tammy]

Hi!

So I thought this game was gonna start this morning and I wasn’t gonna be here so I scribbled down thoughts

Hang on let me get my computer so you can laugh at crazy morning tammy

[Tammy]

Hi guys!

I’m super stoked to be in a neighborhood with you guys! (not you!)

Ffery - Have you by chance already done your crazy mod meta? Last night when I was thinking about things, I was wondering how Fakegod uses traitors.

I was wondering how much we could talk freely in here based on maybe how much contact the traitor might have with their masters.

Might be moot because I think we might be pretty neutered anyway not knowing our sanities. And last night I was trying to figure out how we could use our investigations to narrow down our sanities. BUT we can’t investigate ourselves to narrow the down :{. And every way I thought about I realized why that idea didn’t work. I guess if we’re lucky we might have one real result by end game. Lol

But maybe that’s not the purpose if we end up having four confirmed towns if we’re lucky! I wonder how the other neighborhoods are set up and if they work in a similar way. Do either of you remember Vi’s old game where they had cohorts of three or something? It might have been Vi? Maybe equinox? I’m wondering if this has a setup somewhat like that. Actually probably not now that I’m thinking of how that game is set up. I’m imagining there’s more than one due to the email he sent out last night letting everyone know that our neighborhoods would be open when the game did. I’m not sure if he sends out messages like that regardless.

Anyway, I hope our trio is still adept at figuring each other out. I think ffery/syry can read each other pretty well, so I’ll cross my fingers there. Syry and I used to be pretty good but damn it’s been a long time. Ffery and I were okay? So, I expect that one will maybe take some time. Maybe not. But I’ll take some solace in knowing that only one of you can be scum, but I hope not either.

I’m in meetings all day today, so I’ll probably not be around that much, and the next couple days are busy as fuck but I’ll be around as much as I can.

Oh blah never mind that idea or question about whether or not the traitor can talk to their masters; fake god provided a link to the traitor where it says that they cannot, so I’m guessing that’s one of the standard things here along with not being able to kill. I mostly was stuck on the idea of the role cop and how not useful it would be if they couldn’t communicate BUT they might not know who their masters are, so that role cop might be for them to try to figure that out. Hmm.

Don’t mind me I’m an actual crazy person!

[Tammy]

dethy?

[Tammy]

Are you thinking that all the neighborhoods are set up like this?

I guess I don't follow? The link you set up does look like this neighborhood but I'm not sure how that impacts the game?

My brain is not working well today though so I might just be being dumb.

[Tammy]

OH I think I understand now.

You're wondering if the scum team knows about this neighborhood and the.traitor in it?

[Tammy]

okay then I understood the first time.

pedit: ah

I guess I can go check out the setup of that game while I'm not grading.

[Tammy]

AH okay

My first assumption when we got our roles were that this was the neightborhood, but then I also misread it at first and thought scum were in here with us before realizing that nope it's the traitor (which is man such a fantastic role, well at least at my old homesite it was.).

But then the other message made mention of neighborhoods being opened when the game did and since someone already mentioned thinking there's multiple neighborhoods then yeah. But that also got me thinking about the game Imentioned originally. I'll try to find it, but it was open, and there were groups with one scum and confirmed towns in the rest, but the people in the cohort left the game once their confirmed scum was gone. I think. Which couldn't really happen here.

[Tammy]

Oh it was mafia rarefaction: it obviously can't work exactly like this but along these lines is what I was rambling about: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ilit=aeris

[Tammy]

Yeah, that's why I was wondering if you'd done mod meta on whether or not fakegod had used traitors before. Which I know outguess the mod, but when I followed the link above, it looks like it's pretty standard that the traitors don't have communication with their masters nor can they make the scum kill. So unless the traitor is also in another neighborhood with scum or if there's a scum neighborizer and they're able to find each other? that there's at least no communication I would think right now.

But I agree with the probably not brainstorming as much as I would like. Is the strategy they figured out in their neighborhood or somewhere on site? Every time I thought I had a good idea it was dependent on too many variables but I'm not really good at figuring these things out until we're in the midst of things. My grand idea of being able to investigate myself to narrow down the pool got shot down lol.

[Tammy]

I am concerned about the weird synergy of the neighborhood leaking out into the game. I'm thinking of like the worst game I've ever played in my life in every way of you and how the neighborhoods and interaction caused me a lot of paranoia. But that might have only been a me effect.

But it does seem like there are more than one neighborhood, so there might be weird game synergy anyway? If everyone's being a bit coy about it?

I think neighborhood's are just most damaging to the game when it feels like a game is being played outside of the game thread and there's a lack of openness in the main thread. Does that make sense? I'm starting to drift.

[Tammy]

(I don't have a comment on the bell thing; it seems like a personal thing between you?)

[Tammy]

Good evening, everyone. I have nothing as of yet to add.

Oh that's cool. I wasn't like you've got to do this or anything. I just figured there was a chance you'd already gone research heavy, so figured I'd ask.

I have midterm grades due on Saturday, so I can't really look into that soon. I also don't intend to do heavy research either. This game is partly a test to see if I can play mafia without getting to invested and not completely other things. Last couple games I've played have worked out well in that regard, so hopefully that will continue here too!

[Tammy]

I don't remember quoting Jake, weird.

That previous post is to ffery.

[Tammy]

Yeah I thought of doing something like that, and then I was like oh we'll narrow it down by night kills so we'd be able to narrow it down once we get more than one alignment flipped. And I started to fall asleep with the knowledge that I was a genius and had everything figured out.

Until five minutes later when I realized that we have to actually investigate the people first and that's wholly dependent on if we investigated the people who flip.

And then I went to sleep with the knowledge that no, I'm not a genius.

[Tammy]

I'm crashing! The screen is going swirly. If I post again, tell me to go the fuck to sleep.

[Tammy]

Your thoughts, ffery?

I like Taylor's paranoia. So yeah, right now he'd be my guess. I don't think Tammy has hit unreproducible town notes, but I like her energy so far.

It's really early days, though.

I like this thought on me. Anything stronger would have me bouncing off a paranoia wall right about now. I suspect nacho is probably the only person who’d be able to identify an unreoroducible town behavior and even then we’re he in the game maybe not.

I will say though that I’m not the same player I was, and hope to never be parts of that player again, so if you’re looking for the tells people used to look for and try to get out of me, that’s probably and hopefully not gonna happen.

The part that hasn’t changed for me toooo much is the way I process the game and the people in it. If you’re looking for things in that vein, then you’ll probably see that once my wheels start turning. I mean I hope.

[Tammy]

Okay okay!

[Tammy]

Your thoughts, ffery?

I like Taylor's paranoia. So yeah, right now he'd be my guess. I don't think Tammy has hit unreproducible town notes, but I like her energy so far.

It's really early days, though.

I like this thought on me. Anything stronger would have me bouncing off a paranoia wall right about now. I suspect nacho is probably the only person who’d be able to identify an unreoroducible town behavior and even then we’re he in the game maybe not.

I will say though that I’m not the same player I was, and hope to never be parts of that player again, so if you’re looking for the tells people used to look for and try to get out of me, that’s probably and hopefully not gonna happen.

The part that hasn’t changed for me toooo much is the way I process the game and the people in it. If you’re looking for things in that vein, then you’ll probably see that once my wheels start turning. I mean I hope.

I pretty much never go into a game wanting to get those kinds of tells out of you. Sometimes it happens, and vice versa in terms of provoking the kinds of tells that Empire reads me by, but I don't feel like either one of us sets out to play that way. Paranoia, irritability, misunderstandings, etc. That shit happens.

Hopefully not in this game!

Yeah, that shit happens unfortunately. I just wanted to preface that if that is the way you're only able to get unreproducible town tells out of me that you will hopefully and unfortunately be squinting at me a lot.

What I have found in the few games I've played since my break is that I've settled back into a more comfortable observational style that poke here and there, and still processes the game as far as reads go in a similar fashion. It takes me longer to get reads that I feel comfortable with and there's still a lot of waffling, but I also haven't had a problem with being read town, so hopefully I'll be readable without the uh mess.

[Tammy]

I don't know Sir Cakez well. Pretty sure this is the first game I've played with him, but I helped Brassherald out modding a couple games when he needed a few days off, and Sir Cakez was scum in one of those games. His posts felt so shallow in that game compared to here. This is way too unresearched to be a full-on meta-read, but I think he's town.

Have any of you played with him?

I've played with cakez a few times. I'm not sure how great I am at reading him and I can't remember if I ever saw his scum game. Mayyyybe once but I'd have to look back to answer that.

My impression of him right now is that he feels comfortable, and I like that.

[Tammy]

Lol

WHen Cabd asked how many pieces of pizza I almost answered 5

[Tammy]

LAst night?

Think I picked up on that. Or at least I think I did.

[Tammy]

In this morning’s episode of Tammy loses he everloving mind

She a, ost falls back to sleep after her other half comes home from work and wakes her up too early and before she’s had enough sleep to make up for a severe deficit. But just as she’s about to doze off, she becomes fixated on when ffery began town reading Cabd and the pizza messages contained therein. Hmmm she mentioned 169 reasons and then pizza was brought up.

You know New York is known for pizza. Was normal 169 that game where Cabd was the traitor? The one he had to replace out of. Wait seriously is ffery actually dropping crumbs that obvious to her master and talking in here about how she dropped those crumbs.

Oh ny169 was a game where we were all town. Hmm. Oh but wait Cabd said he wasn’t fond of that flavor so maybe he realized ffery was scum and the scumteam is informed, so he was signaling to her that he wasn’t town either

Which means ffery posts about wanting bell, petapan, Cabd, and syr to be alll town was a signal that she knows that Cabd, petapan and bell is the scum team and syr’s just thrown in there for good measure because he can’t pissibky be scum if she is

So then Cabd brought up 167 flavors of pizza and my 167 was a game where Cabd and ffery were scum together

It’s all come together then they’ve found each other, Cabd is scum and ffery is his traitor gotcha

I don’t really think this is real when I sit back and really think about it, but this occupied wayyy too much of my morning when I should have fallen back to sleep :/

[Tammy]

I don't expect you to for that very reason.

[Tammy]

This game doesn’t have any third parties Jake.

Who's to say there aren't any traitors?

Nothing explicit, but mod meta is fairly clear on this one.

hmmm

[Tammy]

So i could check cabd's work but I think he saved me a mod meta dive heh

Was trying to decide what it would mean for the scum team and their knowledge if he was scum, but eh I don't think there's knowledge to be gained either way.

[Tammy]

I just looked at two jack games so take this for what it's worth. His second post that he replaced into of a scum game he posted a vote count. The town game he played in he did not post a vote count.

Sample size of two and tells I don't really prescribe too. I was just kinda looking at him cuz I'm procrastinating right now, but I'll laugh if the vote count posting is just his go to scum entrance.

[Tammy]

okay as far as I could find he's been scum twice, once in a newbie and once in that game that I just referenced that he replaced in. That I saw, the vote count thing was only in the scum game he replace into, but not in his newbie scum game.

As town he looks like an easy-iso mislynch but he also looks like he gives more content than he has here. Entirely possible this is the first time he's even seen a traitor and doesn't really know how to play the part?

IDK take this with a grain of salt, I didn't even come close to actually metaing him and was satisfying my own curiosity on the vote thing and overall demeanor. I also will look for anything to do to avoid doing work.

[Tammy]

The impetus for my search was not liking his posts or overall that much. I wanted to get a snapshot of him as a player; it’s just that first game I looked at had the vote count and then my own curiosity, and need for procrastination, took over.

I’m torn on what to do with the traitor myself. I want a masonry, but I’m thinking of ffx with the neighborhood of summoners. I believe you were all town, but we wasted a significant portion of that game hunting the scum in that neighborhood hitch I think distracted from the overall game quite a bit. Or at least that’s how I remember it.

Difference is we know we have a traitor and right now it seems like it’s jack but at the same time that feels too easy. It’s rarely just that easy. So just one of the things I’m watching.

[Tammy]

I mean, you guys already think I'm probably the scum here, so it's not like I'm going to ask for help.

Yeah but it’s no way set in stone. It’s early day one, you haven’t given much and that’s what it feels like, but that’s not confident.

[Tammy]

mmm agreed. i think we're better off seeing what happens tomorrow and then re-evaluating. its not right to out atm.

pedit it seems we settled on that already

do you have any thoughts on anything?

[Tammy]

But what are your thoughts on the game?

[Tammy]

some of it. I read day 0 pretty much in its entirety. After that I was in and out.

Also I think I was going to respond to something to you from earlier. I'm trying to write a lecture right now while keeping up with the game and figure I can come back to you in a bit.

[Tammy]

Is my questioning of DS rational?

I'm not the best judge of what is rational

My theory is ask whatever questions you need to get a read on people.

[Tammy]

that early looks kinda town for the paranoia in the neighborhood has worn off

[Tammy]

that early looks kinda town for the paranoia in the neighborhood has worn off

Not sure what you mean by this?

taylor swift sorry

[Tammy]

I'm not gonna lie some scenario similar to this one occurred to me after you talked about me always townreading ffery but I don't think this is the world we're living in and if it is I give you all the license in the world to shit on me at whatever theoretical point we realize this is the world we're living in

Not gonna lie when I saw you question her, my first thought was that you were questioning her to look like you were trying to read her to satisfy my paranoia.

and then the other part of me thought well crap if he's town I wasn't trying to eat at that read, so then I felt bad.

[Tammy]

I feel ultra shitty this game. No scumreads, bunch of town leans, nobody's figured out I'm fucking town yet. Except ffery. Like seriously the fuck am I even doing here

I hope this is just a mood

I'm sorry

I don't want to be squinting at you, especially if you're town. I know it feels crappy when the people you think should be able to read you aren't fully there yet, and I'm sorry if that's happening here and I'm jumping at shadows that aren't there. I hope if I'm being dumb I realize it soon because I'm so super excited to be in here with you guys and I hope we get to be a masonry.

I don't townread others as easily as I used to. That's more a me problem than anything else. I'm sorry to be frustrating.

[Tammy]

I don't townread others as easily as I used to. That's more a me problem than anything else. I'm sorry to be frustrating.

Syry - I hope when you said it made you feel a little bit better at least that you were referring to this.

Anyway I'm laying here trying to fall asleep and I'm feeling bad, so I just kinda want to expand on this a bit. Around 2015 I went through a rash of scum games. I drew scum game after scum game after scum game with very few town games in between. On every site I was playing on, which was five at the time. Even marathon games. I won most of them I think, and I burned every bit of meta that I knew existed that I was capable of burning and I felt crappy doing it. There are tells I'll never be able to burn probably, but the ones I could I did.

I don't exactly know why, but I noticed in the town games I drew in that streak and after, I was starting to have a hard time feeling confident in early town reads. I wasn't scum reading everyone; I just started feeling more cautious about town reading people. Sometimes I'll hit a moment where they feel so genuine, it washes that away and other times I have the town read that always has a shadow behind it.

I don't know if that scum streak is what put me on guard or what. Anyway it really is a me issue, and I don't mean to be annoying.

I'm also incredibly terrified of being wrong in here. I know how excited I was and am to be in this neighborhood and want you guys to be town, and if I let go of any jumpiness and go all in on you guys being town then I have to tell between Taylor and Jake, and what if I'm wrong and I should have been more objective about reading you guys.

Okay hopefully I can fall asleep now. I'm not trying to be difficult, I promise!

[Tammy]

I won’t be able to reread until tomorrow probably. Maaaaybe start tonight but not sure that’s a good idea with the mood I’m in.

[Tammy]

Got a little side tracked from sleep by looking a bit back at diamond sentinel in cyberpunk. Gonna look back at it tomorrow.

Ffery what do you think balance looks like here?

We have 17 players which I would normally assume 4, but I can’t imagine that it would be 3 plus a traitor, so is it possible 4 plus traitor?

I’m asking mostly because I was looking at the playerlist to see if there was someone I was forgetting and if there was anyone I’m actively suspicious of. And I was noticing that I have some townish pings for a lot.

Anyway hopefully gonna fall asleep now and hopefully reread tomorrow.

Kinda think it’s just Taylor here? Don’t know if it just annoyance with the approach

[Tammy]

Syry - Why didn’t you interact with my discussion of my reading jakes meta? When you pulled it up, you acted like it was something that hadn’t been done yet.

[Tammy]

Mostly it’s that it seems like you’re popping in to say just enough to look like you’re doing something but not enough that it’s actually doing something.

And in the realm when I know one of you is scum, it’s incredibly difficult when two of you really aren’t making your alignment showing.

And a traitor is a different role than scum, especially depending on the type. I don’t expect the traitor to play exactly as they would as scum.

[Tammy]

That’s fair! I completely understand the frustration. I have my own problems with it! But then again I’ve always more been the outsider rather than in the group so.

I’m not concerned with whether you can figure them us? out, and I definitely don’t expect you too this early! I’m just trying to figure you out. I have varying degrees of town reads of ffery and syry. Which leaves me trying to figure you and Jake out and whether I need to let the shadows I keep at bay out.

[Tammy]

Syry - Why didn’t you interact with my discussion of my reading jakes meta? When you pulled it up, you acted like it was something that hadn’t been done yet.

Sorry I have no idea what you're talking about

Saturday morning I talked about metaing Jake and what I had found, but you didn't interact with it and then posted the meta links later.

I don't think it's scummy; that's not why I'm asking. I'm not really sure why I'm asking; I just felt a bit unseen? unheard? I don't know.

[Tammy]

Got a little side tracked from sleep by looking a bit back at diamond sentinel in cyberpunk. Gonna look back at it tomorrow.

Ffery what do you think balance looks like here?

We have 17 players which I would normally assume 4, but I can’t imagine that it would be 3 plus a traitor, so is it possible 4 plus traitor?

I’m asking mostly because I was looking at the playerlist to see if there was someone I was forgetting and if there was anyone I’m actively suspicious of. And I was noticing that I have some townish pings for a lot.

Anyway hopefully gonna fall asleep now and hopefully reread tomorrow.

Kinda think it’s just Taylor here? Don’t know if it just annoyance with the approach

I think 3 plus traitor(s?) may be about right. Depends on the number and sizes of neighborhoods.

With 3 old timers in this neighborhood, there's a fair amount of sortable content about us that is happening here and not in the game thread. And I think that's affecting the health of the town to some degree. Which is starting to make me feeling like blowing the lid off in the not too distant future might be good for town health.

I have thoughts about some other neighborhood compositions based on the in-thread content. There has to be an incentive for not claiming those hood(s?), too, or I feel like they'd be starting to trickle into the game publicly.

I wish this were a safe place to air out my thoughts on the game design and the game thread undercurrents, but this is the world we live in.

I don't mind terribly outing the neighborhood? I've never been in a dethy, so I don't really know the benefits drawbacks.

It seems like at least one other person is itching to out there own neighborhood I think.

Anyway, I plan to get to a reread, or in many ways an actual first read, of the game today.

[Tammy]

why isnt tammy posting? should we get a prod on tammy?

?

[Tammy]

No need to apologize! I think I was just having a sensitive

lifetime

moment.

[Tammy]

Am I the only person who really hasn’t crumbed? Lol

[Tammy]

What the hell is a dethy?

It’s the neighborhood we’re in. I don’t know how to explain it besides that but I believe there’s an explanation in the wiki.

[Tammy]

Yeah I’m rereading the game right now and I just got to a post where Jake said he wasn’t feeling very sane rn

I’m starting to feel really tired. I might not finish my reread tonight

[Tammy]

It is!

[Tammy]

There are moments when bell looks okay. His style feels natural enough, but there's no substance.

I don't know how much I can express how much I hated with a fire of a thousand suns that I hated that catch up post.

[Tammy]

I'm on page 48 of my reread. i'm not sure if I'll be able to finish it up tonight. I'm about to take some things that I hope will knock me out early so I can finally get a full night's sleep.

[Tammy]

I didn't pay attention to the other things he wrote that weren't about me or the ones you all responded to, but did he really just go on a mini rant doubt cakez asking if there was day chat?

[Tammy]

I haven't had a full night's sleep in so long. Even last night, I was freaking exhausted and feeling like I was near passing out around 10; I still laid there wide awake until after 1.

[Tammy]

I absolutely agree with that!

I don't like quote stripes either, but I'd take them over what Bell did any day.

I read through mine before he put up the linked quote and I had to go to my own iso and try to read it side by side, and I still don't really understand what he was trying to say to some of it or why he bothered to reply to some things.

[Tammy]

I got a full night sleep!

I’m so confused by bell.

[Tammy]

I wonder if there’s more than one traitor?

I don’t think we’re in a game of traitors, but maybe more than one.

[Tammy]

I’m fine with that, yes.

[Tammy]

i really hate that the 2012 people just automatically scumread me for being different rather than trying to engage and sort me. thats two games in a row. the things you scumread me for are honestly disrespectful.

I did try to interact with you.

[Tammy]

Okay!

I’m not gonna try to continue interacting when I’m basically shut down.

[Tammy]

Last night I realized that Nahdia hasn’t said anything to ds or about I don’t think. I find that odd and was going to address it.

[Tammy]

I’m sorry. I did not expect outing the dethy and all those votes on Taylor would unleash paranoia I thought I’d finally resolved.

[Tammy]

I’m sorry. I did not expect outing the dethy and all those votes on Taylor would unleash paranoia I thought I’d finally resolved.

I'm more surprised it took outing the dethy to get the votes. What bothers you about the Cabd, S_S and midwaybear votes?

It wasn’t who was voting; I didn’t even pat attention to that. I just saw the votes and started feeling like something was wrong.

[Tammy]

Me too!

[Tammy]

I'm just trying to understand where your paranoia is coming from

It's a mess in here.

You probably haven't paid attention to how I am during the day one lynch especially. I've gotten much better than I used to be since I started to think the day one lynch is a good lynch if it's not on one of my town reads.

I feel frantic at the day one lynch, and I wouldn't try to understand the inner working of an absolutely crazy mind

(Sometimes I could counter this by making my case and not be around at lynch time, otherwise I'm a basket case.)

[Tammy]

Just even if I have a very strong scum read, the moment it gets close to lynch, I just start to feel an oh no what if this is wrong.

[Tammy]

I don't beat myself up after the miselim it's the hellscape my brain turns into as we reach that point.

[Tammy]

at the replace out?

[Tammy]

i have uncharitable thoughts about the slot in general.

[Tammy]

oh thank fucking god!

[Tammy]

This is so nice not to have to indulge the paranoia anymore.

I'm sorry for it!

And that was bullshit for her to replace out because she was caught up

[Tammy]

replace out because she was caught not caught up lol

[Tammy]

I basically finished my reread, but I didn't get to putting down my thoughts. I'll do that in a bit. I have some grading I need to catch up on.

[Tammy]

oh holy shit if that's true!

[Tammy]

That's a good idea. It's basically what I was trying to do when I thought of copping myself.

[Tammy]

No we can't self-cop. I asked that question when we got our role pms.

But now that we know we're all town we could cop any of us in here and it's the same effect as self-copping.

[Tammy]

I wonder if she also thinks it would be clever to out some of her masters, if she knows them, as she's going down?

[Tammy]

You guys did a great job!

(I hate my brain sometimes. Felt very good that Taylor was scum until those votes started pouring in then PANIC)

[Tammy]

I will target syryana then

[Tammy]

It will be funny if it comes back scum and I'm the paranoid one of the group lol

[Tammy]

I need to reread how that went down as well.

In the moment i liked how bulge was processing it. I expected more people to. I feel like bulge was a bit skeptical of why I thought there could be a second traitor.

I was shooting daggers at gammas katsina style, and I kinda suspected it. Yes, he catches up from behind, but I think that he also tends to read the current posts while doing that and he felt like he was pretending not to? I’ll have to double check that to see if it’s correct.

I just woke up though! Two full nights of sleep in a row! Hopefully my brain is getting more functional.

I don’t expect to die here tonight. I’m probably the least threatening in here besides Jake. But the off chance they go for the one who doesn’t have their shit together I’ll at least get my thoughts down.

I need to wake up and get a little grading done before I really dig into it though.

Nice test case for psych ward :p

[Tammy]

Is this Cabd not believing it's a dethy?

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

is there reason to believe there might be a traitor and a fullscum in that group, rather than having a 4 person masonry as soon as the dethy resolves? anyone can answer but im maiy asking i guess from a 1) balance pov and 2) WWFGD

>0% chance, highly doubt a giant masonry is gonna go down.

[Tammy]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

If your neighborhood solves the conundrum mine becomes ridiculously underpowered

Is this where you were thinking the loverizers?

Or do you have a thought on this one?

[Tammy]

I think bell, midwaybear and cakez all either claimed or suggested they're not in a neighborhood.

[Tammy]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

Deathy plox aim elsewhere to calibrate kthnx.

Why do you think he suggested this?

[Tammy]

my problem with gamma's catchup is that he obviously is reading the current pages, he makes the don't hammer until i've caught up thing, but he doesn't interact with it or comment on it or taylor at all. The catchup then feels like a deliberate attempt to not comment on what is happening.

Which is *scratching head*

[Tammy]

Oh also Bell going to take a nap mid end of day wagon looks hella sus too

why would scum-Bell announce that?

I don’t know but it was really weird

[Tammy]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

tammy i wish you had more thoughts on this game and not on old games

Me too!

dammit we crossposted and then my browser went out and I lost my post.

It wasn't anything great, but it is apropos to this post so I'll just rewrite it as a reply.

I've got some free time today so I'll actually be able to read this game mostly undistracted and not while also trying to work. Before my actual read, I've got working town reads on midwaybear, ffery, cabd, sryry. I don't even know why on midwaybear though; I just remember liking this posts.

I was looking at the playerlist last night and I realized that I don't actually have active suspicions on anyone*. Some pings here and there which has me wondering if it's setup related or if scum are in the people that I just haven't seen posting much? I don't know; hopefully a reread fixes that.

Although! If you're vote on me was serious, it's wrong, but I think you'll realize that once I have some thoughts on the game after actually reading it. I hope. I hope I have thoughts.

well the process was raelizing i don't actually remember anything about how you play, which made me realize i didn't remember anything you've done this game, which led me to read back on you and realize i don't townread you and i'm not sure why anyone does. i didn't have any serious intentions of attempting to wagon you (i was going giving you and diamondsentinel the "first game off a hiatus" d1 pass regardless of my read), but felt the need to express that read in a visible fashion

lowkey feeling this
my last game with Tammy she felt a lot more "actively town"
if that makes sense

Bell vote Taylor with me

I've been seeing some ties between tay and tammy in more recent posts, what's up with that

I’m trying to make sense of why I don’t like this. It kinda felt like he recognized what was going on, but was pretending not to, and his understanding leaked out a bit here.

But in trying to find this post, I noticed that he’d been voting Taylor before all this.

[Tammy]

I don’t like midway bear as much as I did. Not from the reaction at end of day, but from my reread post page 20. I quite liked him in the first 20 pages then my read went to meh?

[Tammy]

I'm picturing that scum-bell would be pissed af that tayl0r screwed up this bad. His interactions with Tayl0r don't feel that way.

otoh he might have been the elim had the day gone otherwise, though petapan I think had the 2nd most votes at the time. Bell was getting tunneled by Cabd, though, who already had most of the cohort convinced to vote Bell?

I thought I was the only person on peta and mine was a joke

[Tammy]

I have town to varying degrees Cabd, peta, alisae, pooky, diamond sentinel, something smart, and cakez as varying degrees of town reads or they made a post I somewhat liked.

I had alisae as a pocket scum read until about the third? time they checked in. The third time they felt more natural than their earlier posts which looked really forced to me.

Midway bear is a bit eh for me. I do like his early game tonally but then I was just like eh maybe not. Hasn’t done anything scummy I don’t think.

I really liked the bulges way of processing the claim. Unfortunately without anything else, it’s null.


How I feel right now scum are in Nahdia, gamma, bell which doesn’t feel quite right. Gamma gave that weird response to bell and roundabout way of reading him as town during the dethy discussion that felt weird. If diamond and Nahdia aren’t in a neighborhood together, I’d like to know why they haven’t interacted or responded to ds. And bell well bells play makes no sense this game.

[Tammy]

I’m not sold on ds as town by a long shot, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is. Wouldn’t be surprised for scum either. I think the way he started focusing on the four of us after midway asked him about us was odd.

But my memory of him is a player who’s very surface level with weird thoughts about how scum and town behave and gets overly concerned on the concept of content.

If Taylor Swift was informed, her weird jump in to say ds was town when nobody was really scumreafing him at that time might mean something.

If I was able to do tiers he’d be at that bottom of my list, and he’s only in there because I liked a couple of his reactions.

[Tammy]

cakez is also low on that tier because of that mini attack on the proto reads thing. It struck me as wrong.

[Tammy]

Cakez I thought genuinely sounded pretty smug and pleased over finding out Taylor was scum. I don't know many people that can manufacture that level of enthusiasm when they find out they just got fucked out of a rolecop.

This is a good point.

Unless he’s a player that only misters excitement about bussing :p

[Tammy]

I don't really have much meta either. I've only play like 3 games in the past few years i think? Whenever midscummer's was. That was about when I took a break.

I'm still kinda figuring out what my town game looks like

[Tammy]

Not having to have any paranoia is so refreshing!

[Tammy]

lol at both

yeah I chuckled about that when I was reading a couple days ago

[Tammy]

jake - do you have any town reads or scum reads you'd like to talk about?

[Tammy]

No you are right about alisae not being involved and I was teetering between the push on Jake being for show to look like scumhunting or actually trying to get rvs. Everything about their early posting felt forced and scummy.

I sat on the because I a) have stopped scumhunting in the early game unless something just hits me because I can’t tell the difference between scum trying to look like they’re scumhunting and town trying to get the game started. I often pick the town person to prod at and sometimes end up in a shitshow and I’m not about that life anymore, and observation feels better. And B) they could just not have been having a good day and/or didn’t want to play mafia at the time but forced themselves to because they felt obligated which happens

So yeah the first couple times I thought their posting was scummy but the last time felt fine.

[Tammy]

What seemed off about s_s reads list?

[Tammy]

I have concluded I think bell is on drugs

[Tammy]

Tammy, I think you called this out earlier.

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

Why do people keep thinking I say things if I don't expect a response to it.

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

I will literally never get anything done this game if I answer every question posed to me.

These two posts hit the thread within 5 minutes of each other.

Beyond the contradiction itself, why does scum-Bell allow himself to post this.

It fits the confused, distracted, maybe real life is kicking his butt Bell that we seem to be playing with here, Why isn't his self-censor is at least a little online if he is scum?

I didn't like the second one because he's been interacting with you the most in the game, or at least it feels like it. It seems like he thinks you're town as in the way he's behaving felt that way. He says he wants to town bloc with you, he wants you to answer his questions (I'm thinking about with cabd here), and yet he says to you that he won't get anything done if he answers all the question asked of him.

He feels disconnected from the game and from himself. He has to know the way he's interacting isn't ever going to be conducive to getting anything done in a game. He responds to things as if he's quoting them, and much like TaylOr swift, though definitely not that bad, just feels like his posts are hitting the thread at random with no direction or meaning.

Bell has me absolutely confused.

[Tammy]

so unfortunately I can't really be of help on bell because I don't understand a thing he's doing, nor can I figure out a view point to try to understand him through.

[Tammy]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

This lack of genuine conversation just makes it hard to find a solid tell on people.

Not everyone has been roleplaying and doing stuff like that
Any thoughts on the dynamic between Cabd, fferylt, Tammy, and Syryana or is it similarly unreadable to you like the roleplay? Also, let me know what you think about SirCakez

You said you expected midwaybear to double down as town but when he didn’t you said you had to think about what it meant instead.

@midway talk to me, why’re you a grumpy bear?

I'm so fucking confused. Maybe that earlier post was correctly addressed to midway.

It was a little after this that Bell voted midway bear, and shortly after that Cabd woke up and voted Bell, but contextually the dream may have happened before the midway vote.

So it's the Bell posts up to this point that triggered Cabd. Talking about his class, offering to townbloc with me and then not following up in any way, going after alisae and midway, being super-confusing, etc.

What I find super weird about this interaction is that this is the post that causes Diamond Sentinel to start giving reads on us which he then stays somewhat fixated on for the rest of the day. I'm not exactly sure why I find it so odd but it is. I thought that DS had just stayed on us but he did branch out some so IDK.

can't help with sorting out what bell is trying to do or who he's talking to, he's got me all lost in the woods.

[Tammy]

What I find so weird about gamma's mastina style catchup without commenting on anything happening at the time is that he was already voting Taylor, so if he did realize that we'd outed a dethy and taylor was likely getting lynched why hide behind catchups?

[Tammy]

maybe then I'd reach your top tier!

[Tammy]

petapan's play style works well for scum, at least for how well i read. I find his type of play style enjoyable and it's one I tend to town read.

I believe he's good at scum, but I don't think I ever saw him as scum. We didn't play a whole lot of games together when he was still around. He sticks out to me because of how much I enjoyed the style and I thought he was an insightful player. Empire also thought very highly of him. I think one of the games I played with him was in a hydra with empire before empire and I officially hydrad but when we were talking about hydraing.

I think you've been more jovial? than I remember ffery! (might be from the crumbs that had me chuckling though.)

[Tammy]

Syryana was town so I’m eother naive or sane.

[Tammy]

I’m making dinner so I’ll be back.

[Tammy]

Vengeance!

[Tammy]

No idont think we need to answer that. And I think you actually stated it in your coming out post iirc so make them go back and read. Plus it’s kind of interesting to see who asks what

[Tammy]

nacho is off tonight, so we're hanging out. I'll be around later if he passes out before me; otherwise I'll be around tomorrow.

[Tammy]

uhhh nadia's not knowing about the dethy feels a bit genuine?

[Tammy]

what is midway bear claiming?

[Tammy]

like midway bear more again.

[Tammy]

peta's scum are in ( ) is fairly similar to what we've been suggesting.

[Tammy]

I mean it’s pretty insane right?

Scum have got to have something to counter all this.

I don’t disbelieve the claims off the bat. Let me wrap my head around it.

I’ve got to get some stuff posted for one of my classes and then hang out with my sister. Should be back after unless I pass out but mafia insomnia is a thing!

[Tammy]

Passed out almost as soon as I got done chatting with my sister.

I did think about the setup some.

But let me wale up and get my shit together and I’ll be back in here.

[Tammy]

I think we just got really lucky with the rand. The dethy in and of itself is swingy as hell; the likelihood that we end up with four masons is probably about equal to the likelihood we eat each other alive and potential confirmed town vote each other out. We just got really lucky that Taylor pretty much outed herself right away and you guys had the courage, and lack of paranoia, to out it at the appropriate time and be correct.

(NY 169 Cabd was a mason lol. I know think? that he wasn't crumbing that and that the the 169/167 referenced NY games, but I chuckled.)

Once the lover masons are outed they lose the utility of being masons really. AND one of the pair being doctors means that our protection is minimal.

Did cabd say they were vigilantes as well? What does novice mean?

I'm not totally on board with the idea that mafia new the identity of their traitor or vice versa. If she had no contact with her team, what is the use of the rolecop? I should read the mafia wiki on traitors again actually.

We'll be lucky if we get to resolve one of our sanities and have one useful result.

I would expect that scum have some decent power though. And I wonder if they have any extra killing power.

If cabd is fake claiming scum he set this up pretty early, but I don't think that's the world we're living in.

I didn't go back to see how Alisae/pooky were treating each other to verify if that claim makes sense. I'd like to believe they're not because I was already leaning townish on that pair anyway, so it'd be nice if I were right on those beginning leans.

I still only skimmed yesterday's stuff, but I'll be around pretty much all day. i have to get some lectures posted and grading done, but that still means I'm tethered to my computer so I'm here.

(still confused by bell)

[Tammy]

Dethy Masons:

Tammy (naive or sane)
Ffery (paranoid or insane)
Jake (naive or sane)
(Syryana ) (paranoid or insane)

Lover Masons (Millerizer/Vigs?)

Cabd
Something_Smart

Lover Masons Doctors

Alisae
Pooky

The rest

The Bulge - no neighborhood
Bell - no neighborhood?
sircakez -
midwaybear -
petapan -
GammaEmerald -
Diamond Sentinel -
Nadhia -

Mafia traitor rolecop

Tayl0r Swift - replaced out just as she was getting lynched properly dirty dirty

[Tammy]

I stopped filling in the neighborhood things because I don't know really what people have claimed and I just really wanted things separated out for reference

[Tammy]

What do you think about Nahdia? (My autocorrect sucks and keeps changing the spelling of their name)

I haven't gone to read back, but their not knowing about the dethy felt somewhat genuine in the moment when I read it. Not sure if they're one for attempting dumbtelling as scum. I'll have to see how I feel about it when I reread from start of day.

It does feel like Diamond Sentinel is focusing on names given to him and that feels just wrong. Day one he kept talking about us after midway asked him if he was having trouble reading us, and then I asked him about Nahdia and he's started to focus there. It's entirely possible this is coincidence! His scumhunting is super shallow, but I don't really expect too much more depth from him. Doesn't make him town though.

[Tammy]

Bulge still doesn't have any readable content.

[Tammy]

Gods this is so nice not having the paranoia I had yesterday. Now I just get to hang out and work on solving.

[Tammy]

I'll be back to reread from start of today once I get this lecture information posted. Shouldn't take me too long as this one is almost done.

[Tammy]

Bulge still doesn't have any readable content.

I still like the way he went about getting info about the dethy, though maybe that makes sense for scum to do, also.

I believe him about real life issues keeping him from getting into the game. There's a certain level of lurking that can work out for a scum player, but he's gone way below that. Which leaves me worried about content.

I mean, I could try what I did with DS? Reach out directly and ask how he's coming along with reads. -- I'll do this.

Yeah, it's awesome not having to be paranoid in here!

I do really like his approach to the dethy, but I think it's also a very easy thing for scum to do also. Without other content to go off of I just have him as a complete null.

I do believe him about real life issues. Just what he has posted doesn't move the needle either way.

[Tammy]

Can't tell if midway bear is crumbing here or trying to look like he's crumbing...

I made town traitor a named VT

Yeah this is what I was trying to get at lol. Not saying I am a VT though...

[Tammy]

Diamond sentinel has the worlds worst scum tells

[Tammy]

Is 20 minutes enough to read end of day stuff?

Thought for later. Nahdia went back and read end of day and 20 minutes later thought pooky looked bad from it.

(though three minutes after asking if it was a masonry made a post sayin it was all covered, could have been from reading your post.)

People can definitely read and process a lot quicker than I can; just double checking on how much I want to believe Nadia was clueless about it.

[Tammy]

I wonder if cakes is the type of scum that if he feels he's being badly bussed or distanced from or if his partner is likely to lose the game from them that he will bus mercilessly.

[Tammy]

if anything scum not being sure who their traitor is might make them even more prone to wanting to stay on the sidelines of that whole thing.

That's a faulty conclusion. Scum has to take hard pushes on

some

wagon or else they have no agency in the day phase.

This post bugs me I don't know why.

[Tammy]

I find bell confusing and annoying this game.

[Tammy]

Not sure what to think about DS just saying about bulge that he didn't like his iso but was pressuring nahdia right now, but when sir cakez brought out his ss case, he might sheep him on it not too long after.

I'm using this as bit of a notes while catching up, so I don't clutter the main thread.

[Tammy]

...in what sense?

Is this their answer for what they think of DS?

I don't think they responded to DS' scum read of them. Is that different from the way they responded to pressure day one?

[Tammy]

Is something_smart the type to just put a mild town read on his mason partner?

Day two Pooky asked alisae to be a neighbor with him. (maybe a type of crumb)

Post 2109, alisae says they don't have a read on pooky.

I think I've been the most obvious mason of all masons who've ever masoned before because I think every time I've been a mason I haven't been coy about that read at all. Hey guys, player x is town, did you hear me they're town, yeah I know they haven't posted yet but they're town, they're the towniest town to ever town, yeah I know they just did a scummy thing but gods they're so town. doo bee doo bee do, did you guys know that they're town?

[Tammy]

nvm Nahdia spends some time on DS.

[Tammy]

lol I remember posting the other night when drunk. I don't remember posting this much or actually being caught up.

At least I wasn't sloppy drunk and posting nonsense.

[Tammy]

Diamond Sentinel's response about Cake's case on S_S in 2190 is just attacking s-s for things that are personality, not alignment indicative, sometimes actually town indicative or not actually scummy and trying to act as if it's scum.

BUT not entirely inconsistent with him as a player I don't think?

[Tammy]

oh millerizer/neighborizer was fake

got it

i had melded the two together in my head.

[Tammy]

(NY 169 Cabd was a mason lol. I know think? that he wasn't crumbing that and that the the 169/167 referenced NY games, but I chuckled.)

I brought up "169 reasons why your town", which has been his way of declaring masonries/my way of asking if he's confirmed town. He replied with the pizza comment, and I thought that was a vig crumb based on the same game. I was right! I didn't really get the 167 reference aside from "probably something about NY167". But, one of the outstanding features of that game was Ceph's play as a vig. He has a very recognizable (to me, anyway) vig game.

i'm glad that i was on the right track with what you guys were hinting at there then!

[Tammy]

Yesterday I was dead set on Jake because I swore he was the scum in the dethy.

How could you possibly know about the Dethy?

Because they fucking said as much.

Are you that fucking dense that you cannot fucking read what other people are fucking saying?

I get it. You don't want to actually do any work and you're just trying to deathtunnel me because who fucking knows, but at least put in some fucking effort about what you're tunneling on.

post seems a little hostile. wonder if he's the type to cuss more as scum or town or neither. probably a silly thought but this reaction just seems weird.

[Tammy]

(or are you saying you protected me because then i will town read and believe your claim you little pocketing group of pocketers?)

[Tammy]

my cat is snoring so loud right now <3

[Tammy]

the crumbs do check out though, so if faked they planned it quite a bit ago.

[Tammy]

why isnt tammy posting? should we get a prod on tammy?

FTR i thought this was a really clumsy way to try to make me look suspicious.

not sure if that was the actual intent, but that's how i read it.

[Tammy]

i am caught up and will be around, but i need to get to work on this last lecture that i have to get posted today.

i can work on it and post thoughts though!

So i'll be checking in back and forth.

[Tammy]

You know right after i made that post that i didn't think cakez was as town as everyone else did; that didn't feel right. or him being scum doesn't feel quite right rather.

I don't share cabd's concern? with cakez misunderstanding that cabd wasn't a millerizer neighborizer. Yes, i skimmed yesterday but i also did read cabd's mason claim and conflated the two.

i do agree that petapan seems town. i do like his work with trying out pairs and who seems likely to fit together; it's something that i can't quite do because my brain doesn't work in that way, but i've seen regfan and others do things like that with good results (and some poor results)

i mean i think in team relations, but my process is weird because my brain is weird.

I did actually kinda like him sorta suspecting me or not exactly town reading me day one. maybe a little arms crossed huff that he reads gamma's tone and lost town but was unable to read my tone at all, but i actually did not expect him to be able to town read me easily. So the suspicion i expected to come and it seemed to come at a really natural time when i kinda think it should have come.

Does that make sense?

[Tammy]

well i mean that more proactive thing as a joke, but i mean if scum buy it?

[Tammy]

scum aren't buying it.

[Tammy]

tammy i wish you had more thoughts on this game and not on old games

Me too!

dammit we crossposted and then my browser went out and I lost my post.

It wasn't anything great, but it is apropos to this post so I'll just rewrite it as a reply.

I've got some free time today so I'll actually be able to read this game mostly undistracted and not while also trying to work. Before my actual read, I've got working town reads on midwaybear, ffery, cabd, sryry. I don't even know why on midwaybear though; I just remember liking this posts.

I was looking at the playerlist last night and I realized that I don't actually have active suspicions on anyone*. Some pings here and there which has me wondering if it's setup related or if scum are in the people that I just haven't seen posting much? I don't know; hopefully a reread fixes that.

Although! If you're vote on me was serious, it's wrong, but I think you'll realize that once I have some thoughts on the game after actually reading it. I hope. I hope I have thoughts.

The players in this game are just good; the scum won't be obvious.

Just thought about this small interaction. Trying to think of the likelihood that scum cakez makes this post in reference to a scum team he’s on.

[Tammy]

It is a little!

I mean I keep thinking about things and how it seems consistent with their claims, but I don't post about that a lot. I guess people might be doing something similar?

I'm not sure what the possible town tell was in there. I still don't understand his hostility in that one post. But I was thinking about how he was saying that he doesn't actually have strong reads but he acts as if he does because it's the only way to get anything done in mafia. If he is trying to explain gut reads or be surer on a read than he feels, that would account for some reads logic not making sense and him feeling a bit performative overall.

[Tammy]

I also don't feel strongly town about anyone in the leftover group.

I need to figure that out today.

I was just thinking last night that it felt weird to me that the "unconfirmed" group wasn't really being all that proactive and I hoped that it changed. Might now that it's no longer the weekend.

[Tammy]

I'm almost at a point in grading where I can take an actual break.

[Tammy]

I now also believe that Diamond Sentinel is on drugs.

[Tammy]

If scum have an eavesdropper and ds decided to go ahead and be paranoid about the masons because you just noted how weird it was I’m gonna laugh.

[Tammy]

Was gonna go for a walk and have a think but it's raining now:/

[Tammy]

I don’t envy you that at all!

[Tammy]

I"m not sure what to think of bulge really. I've been just letting him do his thing and leaving him along because if he has just had a bad time with life right now I don't want to pile on if he's legitimately feeling how he is with the players in this game.

That being said he surprise at being in the poe felt weird.

probably gonna pass out soon.

[Tammy]

gods i'd like to blame most of that post on my keyboard but damn my grammar sucked there

[Tammy]

I had similar dislike for his thing about ds and the trying to sew doubts about conftown thing.

Town should be trying to make sense of the claims and doubting them seems fine. I'm trying to figure out why he thinks it's scummy of him to not go after cabd so strongly or think maybe it's town lying, etc. I just don't understand why he thinks it's so scummy there.

[Tammy]

What are your thoughts on midway bear? As I was skating this morning I realized I keep forgetting he exists. Not sure what to make of that.

[Tammy]

I just got back from skating and have some work to do before a meeting, so I won’t reall be here yet, but I Waldo remembered this while skating

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Let's Play Backstab Your Friends!

You are to first one to personally address me, despite my being fashionably late to the gathering. any reason you called me friend? I see no particular reason to trust anybody, and am inclined to distrust everybody.

Alright I'm done tbh I only joined cuz I wanted to play with Syr again but I'm not sure if I should have considering I kinda wanna marathon the rest of the series but I joined the game so I'll play it.

Ima read up

Alisae seemss like quite the exuberant one. Are we sure e is of such age to be participating in a gala with such libations and leisure as we have?

I'm not fond of that type of pizza.

Noted!

Now. Why me before Syr?

You're scarier. And you're around! I feel like I'll know pretty quickly if Syr's town. He and I have some of the same weaknesses as scum, especially interacting with each other.

what are those weaknesses and what are the strengths

I will, however, put down that this is probably the best question I've heard so far.

Pooky did a roleplay act in micro 935 as Tracer Bullet. He was scum. I'm not saying that it translates to this game, but sometimes I think people townread people who do what pooky is doing. Hopefully he just stops doing it asap

I don't know for certain, but I would expect that is a mask he likes to wear when acting out the part of the detective. I'd thus suspect it means less for base motives and more for his current mentality.

btw I feel I should make this clear, I'm probably just gonna keep this method of writing for while I'm catching up. Tbh it's not as bad as I thought, though it seems activity is heavily weighted towards certain times. Might just be the fact FG games appeal to certain players.

This interaction between Jake and Wolfie pinged me which led me down the do they know each other or is Jake clumsily signaling traitor here? There was another personal address which had me wondering as well. But from gamma’s response to my question if they are friends, he said that they had talked some or something like that.

I don’t get the response to Jake here. If scum knew they had a traitor, this response could be shutting down what could have potentially been a traitor crumb?

I dunno.

[Tammy]

I need to actually read bulge's posts. It also occurred to me this morning that i never actually caught up on the posting before i came into thread yesterday

[Tammy]

Oh cool we have three days.

[Tammy]

my brain is total mush and I have another contract meeting tomorrow.

wondering how a nahdia, bulge, midwaybear solve feels

i do kinda want to go with peta's certainty on bulge

[Tammy]

sure

I'm trying to make sense of the bulge/peta stuff atm

[Tammy]

that's probably a stupid thought solve

I don't know if I'm being overcome by the indignation of the ones I suspected before though

[Tammy]

what do you think that means for midway, ds and peta?

[Tammy]

I did a skim of taylor's iso when you said you were reading it just so that I'd have an idea of what you were referencing when you talked about it. I didn't read it in depth, but I did notice a lot of early interaction with midwaybear

[Tammy]

Back to being hrm about it gamma

[Tammy]

Wondering if petas major push on bulge is because he thinks he’s scum or a reaction to some people’s read on him dropping.

[Tammy]

Oh actually I like petas response to bulge so far.

Couple initial thoughts:

I liked bulges behavior around the claims yesterday a lot, but this is also a good scum approach to the claims.
I wasn’t totally a fan of wanting alll of us to go on record we were confirmed town, when syry filled questionable cop, and we went on record yesterday. I might be nitpicking on this but it felt too measured. (Also, my iPad just autocorrected I might to I,Ishtar and I’m not sure what to make of that. Perhaps it was an indication we should send the bull of heaven his way?)
I don’t like the wondering why gamma? Had him on the same tier as midway, which was unsorted, felt wrong. Wrong question to ask I think.
He keeps on focusing on asking if anyone has done anything scummier than doing nothing, and it sets my gut wrong every time
His poke at peta for defending himself in the form of a question felt like a semantic type of argument and felt wrong.

[Tammy]

Oh his post to game feels a little too aggressive? Mostlythiing the “what is this shit” to gamma’s treasure hunt.

[Tammy]

But some of his defense posts look fine?

[Tammy]

2756?

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i haven't hit a smoking gun or anything or haven't reached the point where peta started feeling such conviction.

right now seems he could flip either way.

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One of the reasons i started thinking nahdia/midway is because of his odd kind of low key townread on them. I think more people are townish on them, but something feels out of place with it. And then when I was pointing out that it's not terribly alignment indicative that DS thinks he can read Nahdia when he can't, he popped in with saying that what I said wasn't Nahdia's concern. I clarified and he was like oh yeah I guess you were there.

But if Nahdia was trying to get traction on DS because he was lying then someone coming in to point out that it's no alignment indicative wouldn't help that. (Man once offsite DGB claimed 100% read rate on Thor, which Thor was quick to point out was incorrect and she was lying scum to get him mislynched. I know at least one of them got mislynched from the whole affair, but I think both did? IDK but all I knew is that I didn't want to see that happen again.)

Peta shouldn't have been kinda town reading their indignation there because as scum they could totally use actual indignation that someone is lying or exaggerating their ability to read them and in the process it helps with discrediting the read. The indignation there is not alignment indicative. If I'm scum or town I'm going to be pretty indignant at someone using faulty evidence to claim they can read me.

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i'll laugh if the scum team is like ds, bell and gamma and they decided their shtick was to be really confusing all game.

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i wish i felt better about cakez

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heh I wonder if there's any possibility peta is bussing bulge?

Gotta head into my meeting. Wish me luck that my brain remains intact after. I need to get to bulge/peta's second interaction, the one that happened the night before last I think?

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am i the stupid one here?

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I still don’t see the smoking gun on bulge

Don’t like some things but I don’t see the he’s absolute scum so I hope ain’t frazzled on that one.

Just feels like there’s some connection between bulge, nahdia and midwaybear though but maybe it’s my imagination.

I’m not otally comfortable with ds town


Hmmm maybe I’m overthinking it?

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I'm headed to bed.

If they don't elim tonight, I should be around much more present tomorrow. I have work to do, but no meetings, so I'll be home and working here and there.

Do we need to get a pool from cabd that is safe for us to do our next attempt at calibration on?

Though I'd imagine that scum has to have some type of role blocker, so I wouldn't be surprised it his kill didn't happen.

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My cat just ran down the stairs dragging his bee on a wire stick toy, and it totally melts my heart whenever he does that. It's so super cute to see him get so excited to jump around after that toy and it's adorable now that he finally has the coordination to drag it up and down the stairs effortlessly.

[Tammy]

I'm a bit squicked that DS comes in to drop all his pick up stix on the floor (I loved that imagery btw) but he hasn't really done anything else this day phase. Plus him not being here today is wigging me out.

He is on site.

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It is cute! Though it was also cute when he'd try dragging it up or down the stairs and lose it halfway and then just kinda look confused.

But, I wish I had a video of him struggling to get onto the bed tonight. He's not the best jumper at all, and he jumped up on the bed but didn't quite make it and started falling off. The effort he put in to not fall not he floor and jump back up was hilarious. He reminded me of like in action movies when the person is hanging on the cliff and invariably loses their grip with one hand and flail about for a bit.

I'll stop talking about my cat! I should just give in and go to sleep.

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meh I'm fine with bulge I guess. There's just something about his interactions/behavior with nahdia that feel so weird. I would be harboring suspicion that they're neighbors (with midway) if he hasn't explicitly said he's not in one.

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Oh I forgot there was a point where cakez was very adamant that we all flip bell, and I wanted to look back at that.

I would not be surprised if bulge was town though.

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CRAP i started to write something in here but then decided to write in in the main page because it more belonged there and now I forgot what that was.

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heh

Oh right I think it's really weird the way that people have been responding to readlists that contain a lot of nulls or scum reads. I don't think it's scummy at all that bulge has a lot of scum reads.

I guess he could be leaving a cloudy readslist for after he flips, so we won't really be able to use it for connection purposes, but I don't find a reads lists that has a lot of scum reads as scummy it and of itself.

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Yeah I'm fine.

I feel like I'm just spinning my wheels right now.

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should i hammer?

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

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I feel like such an unhelpful woose right now!

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my mind will be positively blown if nahdia is town here.

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I want to look back at the pushing him for the read list issue. I kept almost making a post about it today but I couldn’t word it the ay I wanted to so I gave up but something is not sitting right.

Also you voiced what was still really bugging me about gamma. Besides just being the whole ds push in general, it was the ay he backed off of it just didn’t sit right.

[Tammy]

eh I forgot nahdia did that beginning of day don't know what's happening, wonder if that was fake? I don't know they just don't seem town at all.

Kinda wanna let people respond to the flash wagon if that's okay?

[Tammy]

Why have we never been masons before?!?

i don't know! But it's been fun so far (after I could get over the paranoia from day one that is )

[Tammy]

So you're thinking maybe bulge after all
?