Questionable Balcony

[Syryana]

I'm deffo town ladies~

I'll be on this in a couple hours, still got dinner n shit to do


I had thoughts similar to whatever it looks like Tammy wrote but no time

IMO we keep this neighborhood to ourselves and not tell anyone else for now until we sort some stuff

[Syryana]

I actually asked FakeGod about the traitor when I got my role PM; he told me I don't know if the traitor follows the normal ruleset as given by that link on the wiki. I do worry about the traitor having a talk connection to the mafia, but there's little we can do about it if they do. That's why I requested we wait on outing the dethy immediately; once we turn that corner we can't go back. If ya'll think that's the thing to do then I'm okay with it I just wanted to be sure it was the thing we wanted to do before burning that bridge.

Personally I think we can sort the dethy (there's plenty of analysis around it on the wiki) and at the very least we can figure out who the traitorous bastard among us is and wind up with 4 ICs.

[Syryana]

Well if we figure out who the traitor is 2 days, 1 for IC only fuck the copperino

Hell if us girls are all town 2 days, we just cop the other two and share results

It's gonna take some work though, not sure how long we got until we start getting picked off esp if the traitor has daytalk

You thinkin we should out it and go for normal day play?

[Syryana]

Ahem, somewhat overexcited.

I think it's possible to sort the cops out if we get two sets of results. At the very least we'll narrow it down to naive/paranoid. It's entirely possible we don't get that long to fuck around with it, and it sounds like you know more about dethys than I can be bothered to research right now anyways. Whatchu think?

[Syryana]

We love you anyways Tammy. Whaddaya think about midwaybear? He seems to be tryharding wayyyyy too fast. Surely Servant Archer isn't scum again?

I guess my thoughts are that as long as we can be productive in here and not implode the way that game worked out, then let's do our thing. If it gets messy in here or if our neighborhood gets messy out in the thread, then I'll personally blow this shindig wide open and get the help of the rest of town in figuring this shit out.

Ya you remember DD a lot better than I do; all I remember is us shooting mastina and getting into the world's longest fight with Titus.

[Syryana]

You remember Bro reaching out to you because he thought you'd get the reference to a game you two had played?

That's when we waded in and started stomping people who were running him up.

Truthfully? No.

hello all! i think its better to out the dethy - its probably not worthwhile for scum to shoot in here since the odds of hitting a sane cop are 1/5 and the odds of hitting a fellow scum are 1/5. itll give everyone else a lot more info to go on and will significantly reduce the size of the lunchbox.

You think scum won't try to kill/fuck with cops? Also traditional dethys are 4 cops 1 goon; if we out the dethy and the traitor doesn't have daytalk then we're wasting a valuable opportunity.

[Syryana]

If the traitor doesn't have daytalk, scum doesn't know about the dethy. If scum doesn't know about the dethy, we can work unmolested. And far better odds we figure out who's town in a 4:1 than a 1x:x.

Nice crumb, by the way. You scum?

[Syryana]

@ffery, yeah yeah we know yer the daggum infomancer. Your memory never ceases to astound me.

The prior post was @Taylor btw

[Syryana]

My question is, Taylor, why did you feel the need to bring that up and further crumb? I know why ffery did it. I don't know why you did it, and I particularly don't know why you felt the need to throw the traitor bit in there, especially after we'd agreed (three of us have, anyways) that bringing up the dethy aint a thing we wanna do yet.

[Syryana]

My question is, Taylor, why did you feel the need to bring that up and further crumb? I know why ffery did it. I don't know why you did it, and I particularly don't know why you felt the need to throw the traitor bit in there, especially after we'd agreed (three of us have, anyways) that bringing up the dethy aint a thing we wanna do yet.

it doesnt reveal the dethy at all, and when i saw the crumb i assumed we should all crumb. i kinda feel like revealing the dethy is a better play here, but ill defer to you all since im new. i think the risk is low and the info revealed is small but the reward is very high.

It does if you're clever, and ffery beat Cabd over the head with it. He ain't stupid most days. And what bothers me about your crumb is the traitor bit. Why did you crumb the traitor specifically? What's the very high reward?

[Syryana]

Sigh. Ffery, was I ever this shiny and new?

[Syryana]

Yeah watching you two go at it was a treat.

[Syryana]

Keep your eyes and ears open and mebbe us old peeple can learn ye some stuff

[Syryana]

Go to bed. You can talk to me about midwaybear tomorrow.

Ffery, talk to me about midwaybear

[Syryana]

I'm not scumreading him per se but I'm hamhanded flummoxed at what you and Cabd are seeing in him

[Syryana]

Cabd's probably town, but it's always hard to know with him

Ffery's got more than me in the Cabd reading department and she seems pretty comfy with him so I'd just sheep her

[Syryana]

TAMMY GO THE FUCK TO SLEEP

[Syryana]

Not a rat's chance in hell.

[Syryana]

Because I'm pretty sure ffery isn't scum.

[Syryana]

What are your thoughts about Jake the Wolfie?

Not a whole lot. I'm kinda already POEing him as scum though, just cause everybody else in here is town. Taylor's doing the Shielder thing again, Tammy's remarkably vivacious for a traitor with town-me and town-you in the hood, you're town as fuck. Cabd agrees.

Barring the dethy interaction, the VC thing was weird AF, but his responses to Alisae seem pretty dodgy. His response to me wasn't great either. Not having a damn thing to say is also sus

[Syryana]

Your thoughts, ffery?

[Syryana]

IMO it's easier to figure out the 1 traitor in 4 people we know of than the scum in some unknown ratio of town. Now if someone starts to be an absolute scumfuck in main thread, sure.

But yeah I think we keep mum for a bit. There's plenty of noise in main thread and no need to add more.

[Syryana]

Your thoughts, ffery?

I like Taylor's paranoia. So yeah, right now he'd be my guess. I don't think Tammy has hit unreproducible town notes, but I like her energy so far.

It's really early days, though.

I agree.

I sleep.

[Syryana]

I don't have any experience with Ms Crumpets either but I'm willing to say I like him anyways

[Syryana]

I think that was one of the ones I picked up on. Unfortunately most of the things they say fly right over my head because I haven't read any of morphs games since like... 2014.

Question though, ffery. You crumbed the dethy to him on page 1, why?

[Syryana]

I was wondering. Normally you wait to at least sort him before telling him that kind of stuff. I think I know what he was telling you was part of his role too, but I dunno if it's a good idea to discuss that or not. Probably not.

Hell I'm still mulling over that pizza conversation you two had. I'm also wondering what his paranoid pregame visions were.

I think multiple dethys is unlikely, unless we have 3 dethys and 2 scum of varying flavors. Which is... possibly even more unlikely? My head hurts

[Syryana]

Who was talking about multiball?

Scum of varying flavors meant roles, not scumteams.

[Syryana]

I'm an odd sort of fellow!

[Syryana]

Which means ffery posts about wanting bell, petapan, Cabd, and syr to be alll town was a signal that she knows that Cabd, petapan and bell is the scum team and syr’s just thrown in there for good measure because he can’t pissibky be scum if she is

So then Cabd brought up 167 flavors of pizza and my 167 was a game where Cabd and ffery were scum together

It’s all come together then they’ve found each other, Cabd is scum and ffery is his traitor gotcha

I don’t really think this is real when I sit back and really think about it, but this occupied wayyy too much of my morning when I should have fallen back to sleep :/

I'm not gonna lie some scenario similar to this one occurred to me after you talked about me always townreading ffery but I don't think this is the world we're living in and if it is I give you all the license in the world to shit on me at whatever theoretical point we realize this is the world we're living in

I just really didn't like his posts from this morning. It's not a meta thing.

I feel like it shouldn't be pursued this game day, but on the other hand I'd love to have a masonry more than I'd love to sort out who's the sane and who's the insane cop.

In an ideal scenario we all cop Jake tonight (or whoever we end up settling on as traitor), out results tomorrow then burn their ass

I mean, you guys already think I'm probably the scum here, so it's not like I'm going to ask for help.

<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Yeah but it’s no way set in stone. It’s early day one, you haven’t given much and that’s what it feels like, but that’s not confident.

If we lose the traitor and gain a masonry I'm still a-okay with that and we can all cop one of us for similar results because once traitor is dead we get solid cop results without needing a burn anyways

Trying to investigate a potential burn/NK target is kinda hard to do but we could try it I guess?

I'm getting sidetracked a bit I think

Difference is we know we have a traitor and right now it seems like it’s jack but at the same time that feels too easy. It’s rarely just that easy. So just one of the things I’m watching.

I'm pretty happy with my razor made by ockham at the moment, if we end up in a nightmare scenario where somehow Taylor and Jack are both town then we can get a head start on how bad the Psych Ward hydra really is gonna be (that's your, my and ffery's 3 headed hydra we're gonna make for borkgame or some other game)

For every town we execute here, a cop goes slightly less sane.

What's your point sir, the cops literally don't even matter if we can't figure out the sanities effectively making us all VTs with a potential role

I mean, you guys already think I'm probably the scum here, so it's not like I'm going to ask for help.

<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Yeah but it’s no way set in stone. It’s early day one, you haven’t given much and that’s what it feels like, but that’s not confident.

Bud if you're town now is the time to convince us, don't hand the scum a mason-cop just cause it's frustrating

[Syryana]

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Why do quotes do this sometimes

[Syryana]

Bud if you're town now is the time to convince us, don't hand the scum a mason-cop just cause it's frustrating

I may have said this before reading the in game thread and possibly now regret everything

[Syryana]

What's your point sir, the cops literally don't even matter if we can't figure out the sanities effectively making us all VTs with a potential role

Each wrong town we expel here, we risk losing the sane cop.

Which reminds me: How are we going to figure out who is
what?

The sane cop doesn't matter if they don't know they're sane. Because nobody in this dethy got a pre-game result (day 0 cops are a thing in dethys) at bare minimum it's day 3 before any of us can have any idea what sanity we are with high potential to never know if the other cops get picked off at night anyways. We have two and a half high value targets in here for NKs and the odds of all of them making it alive to d3 is kinda low

As for how, probably the wiki we already linked a few times

[Syryana]

I feel like I'll be too obvious if I ask Cabd about their thoughts on Syr. Could someone else do it?

Too obvious about what

@Syr Could you rank everyone here from most likely to least likely scum?

I could, but unless you tell me what that information does for you I'm not going to

[Syryana]

I originally thought that Syr was trying to signal Cab that thsy were the traitor, while in here acting as a double-agent to try and push suspicion on me. The context that I was missing was that they were friends.

So if you thought I was the traitor and trying to signal to Cabd such, why didn't ffery's crumbing the dethy in her first post to him ping you? Why didn't Taylor quoting that crumb and literally saying the word betray ping you?

[Syryana]

I originally thought that Syr was trying to signal Cab that thsy were the traitor, while in here acting as a double-agent to try and push suspicion on me. The context that I was missing was that they were friends.

So if you thought I was the traitor and trying to signal to Cabd such, why didn't ffery's crumbing the dethy in her first post to him ping you? Why didn't Taylor quoting that crumb and literally saying the word betray ping you?

Because I didn't notice those.

So you didn't notice two things that we actually discussed inside this small six page neighborhood but you did notice... whatever it is you noticed me saying to Cabd?

What DID you think I did to crumb to Cabd anyways?

[Syryana]

So what were you looking for? Why did you think I was the traitor? Why did you associate me to Cabd?

[Syryana]

Hey meta queens. I found some stuff for you:

Jake Town Games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82885
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=83130
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83986
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82957
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82913

Jake Scum Games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83914
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80327

Work some magic for me? Poor guy seems to get miselim'd a lot.

[Syryana]

Hey, at least I did some of the work for you and found his most recent stuff

You would not believe some of the ridiculous games he's been in

It'll give you something to do while your DM is rolling the actions of 40+ goblins

[Syryana]

Gricks are srs bsns. Been on the ass end of a few ambushes by those fuckers. At least they aren't ropers. I had a guy leeroy into a roper den once. Fastest TPK I ever saw, minus the one time that the party decided to piss off a level 22 demigod.

[Syryana]

I need some advice. I'm hoping to not have to go there, but I dunno. Jake, your play leaves you pretty vulnerable to elim.

If the Jake noise picks up speed I'm going to want to snuff it out.

I'm thinking that I'll state that I have reason to believe he'll be mechanically sorted fairly quickly and I would prefer that to eliming him.

If I do it smartly, I think I'll probably get some protection on N1, or that scum might assume I will.

Thoughts?

If this picks up steam, the alternative is to just go ahead and out the dethy and go for a dwindling masonry. I don't think there's a way that Jake gets run up and the dethy doesn't get exposed.

Maybe as an initial slow-it-down I announce I've got some jake games I want to meta later tonight.

Do it if you think it necessary. I trust you to be eloquent enough to call it out without blowing the whole thing open.

[Syryana]

Tammy, you read FGO right

[Syryana]

I'll be here. I'm having some reconsiderations about some of my earlier thoughts about certain people. Maybe a fresh perspective will help.

[Syryana]

that early looks kinda town for the paranoia in the neighborhood has worn off

This is what I was talking about with my transparent attempts to be circumspect in the FGO post

[Syryana]

I feel ultra shitty this game. No scumreads, bunch of town leans, nobody's figured out I'm fucking town yet. Except ffery. Like seriously the fuck am I even doing here

I hope this is just a mood

[Syryana]

This is the problem coming off the high of a good game

You feel like a piece of shit when you don't have a clear direction

Besides, even you said you'll feel dumb if Cabd is right about me so even you haven't figured it out yet I guess

[Syryana]

Well, that makes me feel a bit better at least. Sorry to take my mood out on you guys. I'm just frustrated.

No. I said I'd feel dumb if he's right about Bell. And I would. Very dumb.

Well, in fairness, I wouldn't feel all that dumb if Bell looks town by play and Cabd just happens to MLK you and be right

If that kind of thing was a thing nobody would read anybody and we'd just elim at random

[Syryana]

I liked Pooky before that but yeah

[Syryana]

Syry - Why didn’t you interact with my discussion of my reading jakes meta? When you pulled it up, you acted like it was something that hadn’t been done yet.

Sorry I have no idea what you're talking about

[Syryana]

okay as far as I could find he's been scum twice, once in a newbie and once in that game that I just referenced that he replaced in. That I saw, the vote count thing was only in the scum game he replace into, but not in his newbie scum game.

As town he looks like an easy-iso mislynch but he also looks like he gives more content than he has here. Entirely possible this is the first time he's even seen a traitor and doesn't really know how to play the part?

IDK take this with a grain of salt, I didn't even come close to actually metaing him and was satisfying my own curiosity on the vote thing and overall demeanor. I also will look for anything to do to avoid doing work.

I'll be honest I read the first post where you ISO'd him in two of his games and somehow missed this one, or forgot. My post with meta in it was aimed more at ffery but I included you cause I thought maybe you hadn't looked at all his games yet? Sorry I missed it; I certainly didn't mean to imply you hadn't done it. I probably would have agreed with you then but I'm kind of leaning away from Jake towards Taylor at the moment.

Syry - Why didn’t you interact with my discussion of my reading jakes meta? When you pulled it up, you acted like it was something that hadn’t been done yet.

Sorry I have no idea what you're talking about

Saturday morning I talked about metaing Jake and what I had found, but you didn't interact with it and then posted the meta links later.

I don't think it's scummy; that's not why I'm asking. I'm not really sure why I'm asking; I just felt a bit unseen? unheard? I don't know.

I definitely see and hear you I'm sorry that I glazed over your Jake-post

Got a little side tracked from sleep by looking a bit back at diamond sentinel in cyberpunk. Gonna look back at it tomorrow.

Ffery what do you think balance looks like here?

We have 17 players which I would normally assume 4, but I can’t imagine that it would be 3 plus a traitor, so is it possible 4 plus traitor?

I’m asking mostly because I was looking at the playerlist to see if there was someone I was forgetting and if there was anyone I’m actively suspicious of. And I was noticing that I have some townish pings for a lot.

Anyway hopefully gonna fall asleep now and hopefully reread tomorrow.

Kinda think it’s just Taylor here? Don’t know if it just annoyance with the approach

I think 3 plus traitor(s?) may be about right. Depends on the number and sizes of neighborhoods.

With 3 old timers in this neighborhood, there's a fair amount of sortable content about us that is happening here and not in the game thread. And I think that's affecting the health of the town to some degree. Which is starting to make me feeling like blowing the lid off in the not too distant future might be good for town health.

I have thoughts about some other neighborhood compositions based on the in-thread content. There has to be an incentive for not claiming those hood(s?), too, or I feel like they'd be starting to trickle into the game publicly.

I wish this were a safe place to air out my thoughts on the game design and the game thread undercurrents, but this is the world we live in.

I don't mind terribly outing the neighborhood? I've never been in a dethy, so I don't really know the benefits drawbacks.

It seems like at least one other person is itching to out there own neighborhood I think.

Anyway, I plan to get to a reread, or in many ways an actual first read, of the game today.

I'm not against outing the dethy so much as I want to be sure we discuss it thoroughly before we do, burned bridges etc

why isnt tammy posting? should we get a prod on tammy?

?

She's trolling you about being invisible

[Syryana]

No need to apologize! I think I was just having a sensitive

lifetime

moment.

<3

I feel like if someone from this neighborhood is on the chopping block today, then we need to out it so that the whole town can take into account the dethy composition, and think about who could be a traitor, not a generic scum player.

Once one of us flips, it's public knowledge there's a dethy anyway.

Agreed.

[Syryana]

Am I the only person who really hasn’t crumbed? Lol

I didn't, assuming we're talking about the existence of this here hood.

What the hell is a dethy?

Are you feckin serious m8

Pedit yah what she said just wiki "dethy"

[Syryana]

It's okay, that couch looked awful comfy

[Syryana]

I can go into more detail here if you want it, but I was already feeling kinda town on him.

You think he's town, I think he's town, Tammy thinks he's town

I'ma go with "good nuff"

Thanks both of you queens for doing it though <3

[Syryana]

Tammyllt where are yall at on Bell

I hate to say it but I'm thinking Cabd's dream might be fucking right

Bell's content sucks and I don't see any of that squinty eyed suspicion we got from Avenger all game, it feels sort of rote and phoned in and even his supposed scumread on petapan feels completely soulless to me

Brb gargling arsenic

[Syryana]

Yeah, I'm feeling pretty sad because I love playing with bell, but he's not looking real town here.

His questions to me that weren't just "o...kay?" all pointed at cabd and to a MUUUUUCH lesser extent you.

Yeah it feels like an attempt to play into your Cabd paranoia except he doesn't know you and Cabd already have each other as pretty solid town
He probably isn't bothering with me because he knows you already have me as locktown and he remembers FGO

There are moments when bell looks okay. His style feels natural enough, but there's no substance.

I don't know how much I can express how much I hated with a fire of a thousand suns that I hated that catch up post.

Yeah I read about 3/4 of it but it was legit terrible and I feel like a copy of it should be posted on the wiki under "How not to post as scum"

Even if he's town that damn thing was a monstrosity and hard to read

[Syryana]

Also I hope the two of you sleep well tonight!

[Syryana]

why he bothered to reply to some things.

This is a reason I also hated that post with the fire of a thousand suns

[Syryana]

I'm not sure he's trying to play into my paranoia so much as he's trying to sort Cabd and is ticked off a little because he wasn't around to steer the reads list interaction between us. He thinks Cabd could tailor his list to either agree with or push against mine and therefore reinforce or cast doubt on my reads.

Have you ever seen Bell do something like this as town?

Or, Bell isn't trying to get a read on Cabd, but trying to drive a wedge between us and keep us from working together effectively.

Hmm

Because it looks a lot more like this to me

I got a full night sleep!

Yay!

I’m so confused by bell.

Word.

[Syryana]

He does take odd (to me) angles sometimes, Syr.

His unhappiness with how I approached sharing reads lists was so freakin transparent that I have a really hard time seeing that come from scum-Bell.

I think he has concerns that he might not be able to catch scum-Cabd? Maybe I'm misremembering that.

I saw the one liner to you and one liner to himself regarding this in his catchup post. Unless you've got other sources I'm missing I think the bolded is a significant overstatement

I wonder if there’s more than one traitor?

I don’t think we’re in a game of traitors, but maybe more than one.

Possibly there's one in each neighborhood? I sincerely doubt we have multiple dethys but I wouldn't put it past fakegod to make 3 micros in a large

[Syryana]

[Syryana]

If you're town then your play both in this neighborhood and in the game thread has been awful, speaking of disrespectful. Especially here.

If you're the traitor, and I feel very sure you are, you could have had 3 players who have become influential in the game working hard to prevent your elim today. That was a missed opportunity for you, but I'm ok with it!

QFT

[Syryana]

This reminds me I wanna talk to you about your nahdia read ffery but I don't know that doing it in main thread is particularly helpful rn

[Syryana]

They did none of that.

I think I said in my response to petapan that a lot of what theyve done is point at stuff and go "I may or may not disagree with that"

I feel like we're scumreading them for similar reasons and feel better now about the read

But then we're both old farts

[Syryana]

I don't think a scumteam in its right mind would shoot Jake

Only if it's a recruit scenario and they think he's the traitor and taylor isnt

Otherwise scuum never shoots this

[Syryana]

I’m sorry. I did not expect outing the dethy and all those votes on Taylor would unleash paranoia I thought I’d finally resolved.

I'm more surprised it took outing the dethy to get the votes. What bothers you about the Cabd, S_S and midwaybear votes?

[Syryana]

Hmm. I'm just trying to understand where your paranoia is coming from then. People have been low key scumreading taylor for a while now in thread and when townleader ffery pops in and goes "hey there's a dethy and we think taylor's scum" I'd sort of expect an outpouring of votes.

Now, if there was a quickhammer and taylor flipped town, you best believe I'd be losing my shit. But that didn't happen?

[Syryana]

Me three!

[Syryana]

Though. Is it bastard if someone gets access to a neighborhood but the occupants aren't told?

[Syryana]

I wonder then. It's hard to balance a 4 member masonry assuming we hit the traitor. Not to mention 4 cops.

I wonder if killing the traitor activates a scum eavesdropper or something.

I'm just spitballing here.

[Syryana]

I haven't paid attention since sometime in 2014 is probably true.

I hope you feel better though.

[Syryana]

Fair

I don't really get it myself, when I miselim someone I'm kinda just like.. aww. Then I move on. Maybe if I really care I go back and comb through the game for the towntells I miss

But usually I'm just like welp

[Syryana]

You're weird. I still love you though.

Cabd's neighborhood is fucking scary.

[Syryana]

I wanna rant

[Syryana]

Let down, I'm fucking mad

[Syryana]

There's the threadlock. Fuck that shit. Fuck that shit SO FUCKING HARD.

[Syryana]

Is this what it feels like to be kuribo?

Pedit: The replace out and just that slot in general.

[Syryana]

If it flips blue I'ma fucking go volcano.

[Syryana]

Uncharitable is perhaps the kindest and certainly most understated way of putting it.

[Syryana]

WE'RE MASONS BITCHES

[Syryana]

[Syryana]

Welcome to the Psychologically Questionable Balcony

Sweet summer child this has been true for so much longer than you realize

[Syryana]

JAKE! <3 Welcome to not-elimed-land!

Yeah dude it's literally the first game you've ever been in where you have to be NK'd

[Syryana]

[Syryana]

Right. Business.

Do we cop one of us or someone random.

Pedit: Yeah no fuck her and fuck ever playing with her again she plays for herself and only herself

[Syryana]

Cabd is a loveriser ffery

I'm pretty sure that hood he's in is a mess of them

Possibly millers too

[Syryana]

Hey, no need to tell me it was a good idea. I was never against outing the dethy as much as I was against outing the dethy IMMEDIATELY. Discussion good, haste bad!

Also odds are scum kills us one by one so it's unlikely we ever figure the cops out anyways

[Syryana]

If they ARE millers we can have all 4 alignments sorted by day 3 though

[Syryana]

As a fit of baby rage, absolutely

But yeah I think the play is we cop among ourselves n1 and cop pretty much anyone else n2

I also think we out all results here so we can figure out sanities

[Syryana]

I credit you 500% for remembering Death's Diner had a dethy and analyzing proper strategy accordingly

Blowing the dethy wide open when and how you did literally could not have worked better for us

[Syryana]

Technically Taylor did then for making that scumfuck ass post lmao

[Syryana]

Yeah that was a pretty damn town post

[Syryana]

Well we got 48 hours to figure out who to investigate. Probably closer to 46 now.

If we're keeping it in the masonry I'm shooting ffery.

[Syryana]

I'll target Tammy. Ffery's paranoid, I'm insane, Jake's sane, and Tammy's naive.

Calling it now.

[Syryana]

Hm.

You're gonna have to sell us on Bell town if you want him to not die tomorrow. A lot of people are gunning for his ass and you likely won't be there to sell it. You don't wanna have him join you in dead thread, here's where it starts.

[Syryana]

I'll reread it too but I do know Gamma was paying attention because he asked someone to not hammer til he caught up then Pedited dammit because someone hammered before he asked

He looks scummy as fuck because he still didnt comment on the goings on but continued with his catchup

[Syryana]

I'm on and off rereading myself but I think Cabd and bulge originally assumed when we said dethy that we meant 4 cops and a traitor, not necessarily 4 town cops and a scum traitor

I'd also guess he thinks that having 4 insta mason'd cops is OP, which is true, but that also precludes the dethy being right about the traitor AND successfully playing to get the traitor out before any masons are lost

Granted, 4 mason cops is is pretty holy fuck wtfery level for scum and I cannot imagine they have any higher priority targets right now

[Syryana]

Yeah he crumbed loverizer at me. I think the reflexive bit was more about "don't investigate me guys, it's a bad idea" that he told us all

Who is Jake investigating?

[Syryana]

Actually I don't think he's reflexive at all

I enter people into traditional marriage with you, syr

I think that means he gets to pick who the pair becomes

[Syryana]

I think Cakez, petapan, S_S all look town as fuck

midwaybear is kinda eh but he was already locktown so

I really liked Pooky's explanation to why Tammy is town too

Gamma can burn

Bell can burn too honestly, like the dethy outs and the first thing he does is focuses on taylor calling his grandparents spies, fuckin wot

[Syryana]

I saw it more as "you" being someone who targets him.

and "people" maybe being a prescribed list of potential loverees (his neighborhood?)

I disagree with the meaning of you in context of his post but that doesn't matter since we go nowhere near his house and that's what's important

[Syryana]

Oh also Bell going to take a nap mid end of day wagon looks hella sus too

[Syryana]

Oh also Bell going to take a nap mid end of day wagon looks hella sus too

why would scum-Bell announce that?

why would town-bell fuck off in the middle of the most momentous mafia announcement ever

[Syryana]

I'm not sold on Diamond Sentinal town, especially given he kept pushing Jake after the dethy was outed and we'd all come out agreeing Tayl0r was scum.

Diamond seems kinda like he's off in his own little universe

I think if we blow up gamma and nahdia and bell then maybe we look here

[Syryana]

I dunno I meant what I said to petapan about DS seeming pretty alien to me

[Syryana]

Bell's been on the back foot most of this game and even finding out the dethy was about to confirm 2 of his favorite players as town didn't seem to entice him much

[Syryana]

It's certainly safe to say Bell's been feckin weird.

I'm good with him or Gamma or Nahdia.

Pedit: LOL yeah we'd clearly been lurkfucking

[Syryana]

I don't think any of us really have meta anymore

Tammy might if she's been playing offsite but

I'm just fuckin winging it

[Syryana]

I mean look at my face, is this the face of an Andy that gives a fuck about his meta

[Syryana]

Beautiful phrasing <3

Do you think there might be value in having Jake target Cabd at some point?

[Syryana]

Cakez I thought genuinely sounded pretty smug and pleased over finding out Taylor was scum. I don't know many people that can manufacture that level of enthusiasm when they find out they just got fucked out of a rolecop.

[Syryana]

Beautiful phrasing <3

Do you think there might be value in having Jake target Cabd at some point?

Too early to say. I think you mentioned miller, and that could be a reason to warn us off if I'm wrong about him not having complete control of what happens to his loverize.

One in-masonry read will jumpstart this thanks to the Great Purge.

One out read of a scumread even if we don't get a flip quickly would still potentially pinpoint which of our results change. Results that change are either the sane or insane cop. Results that are identical to night 1 reads are townreads.

Does that make sense?

The great purge <3

Yes, and I perfectly agree. I was actually suggesting Jake investigate Cabd at some point for other reasons. It may be in our best interest to tie Jake to Cabd as a lover.

[Syryana]

This is how Psych Ward is gonna be. Except we don't have to do all the day 1 angst.

[Syryana]

Beautiful phrasing <3

Do you think there might be value in having Jake target Cabd at some point?

Too early to say. I think you mentioned miller, and that could be a reason to warn us off if I'm wrong about him not having complete control of what happens to his loverize.

One in-masonry read will jumpstart this thanks to the Great Purge.

One out read of a scumread even if we don't get a flip quickly would still potentially pinpoint which of our results change. Results that change are either the sane or insane cop. Results that are identical to night 1 reads are townreads.

Does that make sense?

The great purge <3

Yes, and I perfectly agree. I was actually suggesting Jake investigate Cabd at some point for other reasons. It may be in our best interest to tie Jake to Cabd as a lover.

Based on how Cabd described it, he's the officiant, not the betrothed. So Jake might be tied to some other player altogether.

I just have this nightmare scenario of all our fates being in Jake's hands in lylo. Nothing personal to him in any way but that's not a scenario I want to happen.

[Syryana]

The greatest team of shitposters ever assembled was pretty good too.

[Syryana]

5 hours to dooooooom

[Syryana]

Yah I was thinking everybody dumps results here and one person outs them stump speech style

Tonight's results don't matter though because they're all mason results

[Syryana]

Should we all target the same person N2 or different people? I'm leaning same person but could be swayed.

[Syryana]

Over whose head does the sword dangle? Contextually, Alisae, but the metaphor doesn't really fit? Maybe: Alisae is pressuring Jake (e.g., the ruler's cruelty that leads to uneasy heads under crowns), but when e admittedly doesn't get the reaction e thought would signify town, e shows mercy? and that's something town-Alisae would not do?

halp!

I have concluded you are on drugs.

[Syryana]

but contextually the dream may have happened before the midway vote.

This isn't quite right. The dream may have happened before Cabd saw and processed the midway vote.

Are we really trying to parse a scumread on Bell that happened in Cabd's subconscious

Like what the fuck come on now

[Syryana]

What I find so weird about gamma's mastina style catchup without commenting on anything happening at the time is that he was already voting Taylor, so if he did realize that we'd outed a dethy and taylor was likely getting lynched why hide behind catchups?

Agree. At the very minimum Gamma knew there was a hammer yet continued doggedly pursuing his PBPA catchup. I suspect he knew the context too, because if he didn't he wouldn't have worried about people hammering someone because he'd have had no idea a hammer was being called for in the first place.

I would lynch the fuck out of this.

[Syryana]

As for Bell, I think consensus is he needs to die. I don't think he needs to die immediately.

[Syryana]

FFery's Day 2 Agenda

• Investigate s_s's reads list format. Ask Cabd if he usually formats them this way. I don't remember seeing anything like this the last time I meta'd him.

Format notwithstanding this readslist was remarkably toothless for scum to have. All mild leans? I think it makes perfect sense for the level of engagement he's shown so far in the game + how he got snippy at pooky and whoeverelse for getting in the way of his Taylor interaction = supertown S_S.

[*]What was Diamond Sentinel doing once he realized he wasn't going to convince players to focus on Jake instead of Tayl0r?

This could use some attention.

Players of Interest

• Bell - so much cagier around me than I think is warranted in this game. He seems super-concerned about his ability to recognize scum-Cabd. WHY? (also, learn to bullet)
  
• Nadhia - The spoiler about their shitty week in the argument with petapan got me right in the feels. But, I still have issues about their lack of (or extremely hands-off level of) engagement
  
• Alisae - could just be me not paying attention but I feel like he's been pretty uninvolved beyond that huge go at Jake early on.

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I would like to state for the record that I have every sympathy for Nahdia's personal plight and wish them well. I do, however, still think they're a scumfuck.

Alisae's interesting. They were so hyped to be playing this game, particularly with me (which is what e said, no idea why but whatever) but they've been super disengaged and lurky. Is it alignment specific? Maybe? Definitely weird. If in a neighborhood with Cabd they may have more activity there. Yay neighborhood overload. If not we need to stir fry this one a bit.

[Syryana]

I was feeling kinda like petapan hadn't interacted with me much on day 1, and it's because he hasn't. But apparently he had me as town? Certainly by the time he and Cabd were comparing notes on reads. Maybe before then. Anyway, he's not a townbloc-ing sort of player, at least with semi-randos. His willingness to interact with someone he's not scumreading (Cabd) is one of the reasons why I think there miiiiiiggghhht be a neighborhood connection. otoh he's joked around a bit with you as well, Syr. Maybe I haven't been all that friendly.

He was kind enough to interact with me about my Nahdia read even if he didn't spend a whole lot of time on heart to hearts. He's not really the heart to heart sort, is our Assassin.

That said I think there's a number of things in his ISO that clearly point to him trying to figure people out (Nahdia fight, Bell fight, though in retrospect both of them being in our scumlists is kind of interesting, hmm)

Pooky said he'd been in a marathon game with scum!peta recently and scum!peta shot PookyPartner N1 for the town cred. Marathons are very different than months long larges but as the playerlist narrows if peta remains alive we need to cast a steely eye here. Fairly comfy with him being town at the moment though.

I think you've been more jovial? than I remember ffery! (might be from the crumbs that had me chuckling though.)

Ffery's proper hyperactive considering her old town meta. More aggressive too, which I take full credit for. It'd be nice to see her make it alive to day 3+ in a game where we don't have the scum against the ropes like FGO just to see how she copes. I dunno, I rather like the new model on the whole:D

[Syryana]

but not all that great at approaching every player, myself (too focused on the dethy and trying to absorb all the stuff Cabd was trying to tell me)

There's 17 players in here. You're doing

fine

.