Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

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Woooo hoooo I was so sad I missed sign ups for a FakeGod game, here I am!

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Oh boy this is very late game oh boy

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Oh boy this is very late game oh boy

you're confirmed cop, sane by reports, innocent scans on me and midwaybear. pooky is claimed doctor, who had claimed a lover pair with alisae on day 2 and later retracted it. i'm confused as to why he hasn't died but i dunno what to do here

Yes I am just figuring this out.

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Oh boy this is very late game oh boy

you're confirmed cop, sane by reports, innocent scans on me and midwaybear. pooky is claimed doctor, who had claimed a lover pair with alisae on day 2 and later retracted it. i'm confused as to why he hasn't died but i dunno what to do here

I would yeet it.

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By "it," I mean Pooky. Or Alisae.

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Lemme check out the wagons.

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Unless someone has the main wagons collated and colored already?

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They're a neighborhood with cops of different sanities.

I have to read that.

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I see Tammy thought there is a godfather?

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Pooky, am I a terrible person?

I think if we all understood each other we would realize we have more in common than we have differences.

It's just sometimes distance makes it hard for this to happen.

This is just a game, if I didn't enjoy playing it with any of you - I would not be here and it really shouldn't be personal.

Everyone here is lovely and I think if we just calm down we can laugh and enjoy this game a bit more and it doesn't have to be so hurtful - winning is not that important.

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why do I want to killlllll yyyyooooouuuuuuu

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So do we know who was the insane cop?

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remember he is the claimed doctor

There were shenanigans, no?

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I will work on the assumption that there is no godfather.

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There are traitors and millers already, a godfather might be overdoing it.

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remember he is the claimed doctor

There were shenanigans, no?

well, yes. i'm just saying if you kill him and he's town you're dead. personally i was about ready to just take a chance on him as the other locktown here and hope for the best.

the traitor in the dethy was a rolecop, and it would be a weird troll to have a rolecop that's nearly useless because most of the power roles are in the dethy. suicide bomber seems a counter to the doctor role but i dunno. less inclined to think a scum suicide bomber sacrifices if a teammate is faking masons?

Why not Alisae, then?

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Did the suicide bomber... suicide bomb another player? If so, who?

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well there was no kill night 4 and pooky insists he saved alisae. you can look back to the start of today and see alisae was offering to selfvote. judge for yourself how sincere it was, but alisae wanted to vote out midwaybear day 5, before he was checked, which would mean alisae was the one getting checked. i don't see alisae entertaining that thought as solo scum that knows they'd get red checked

Did Pooky claim all his targets?

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There were TWO mafia suicide bombers? LOL

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How were there 5 deaths on Night 2?

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It's you or Alisae, Pooks.

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You know you're my favorite player, right?

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the thing i keep coming back to is why does a scum godfather ever shoot jake night 3

but why not shoot the doctor claim

Has anyone answered these questions?

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after the pain and suffering you put me through for fun i better be your favorite player

Just cruel to be kind!

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DGB, why don't you think it is peta?

He is super solvy. He's not scum.

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i guess in the sense that you've been suspicious of

everyone

and wanted to survive more than anything but it wasn't under serious discussion by you until now

midway or pooky?

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Oh boy this is very late game oh boy

you're confirmed cop, sane by reports, innocent scans on me and midwaybear. pooky is claimed doctor, who had claimed a lover pair with alisae on day 2 and later retracted it. i'm confused as to why he hasn't died but i dunno what to do here

I can't stop thinking about this.

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midway, who is scum?

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Probably Pooky

why

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midway sounds like scum trying to keep all options open, and I say that having a clear on the slot

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always hemming, awing, wishing, washing, hesitating...

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jake is a confirmed innocent mason who was not going to be protected

the godfather has to kill the masons to win the game

Also this

Why wouldn't he be protected?

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because we said in thread that we were protecting Tammy.

Ohhhhhh naaaaaah

No

That's like WIFOM-ception.

That whole premise stinks rotten.

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Correct play was

Declare you will protect Jake

But in fact protect Tammy

I smell deceit

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I so want to yeet Alisae right now

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Correct play was

Declare you will protect Jake

But in fact protect Tammy

I smell deceit

As scum would you believe a doctor that says they’re going to doc an AFK player?

Make it believable. As long as scum believes that's what you think

But it is you who is scum

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I am actually believing midway here

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I so want to yeet Alisae right now

Why Alisae before Pooky?

Is there a reason to expel Pooky first?

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I have a solid town read on petapan, and midway is totally growing on me.

There are only two options for my vote. Pooky or Alisae.

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Pooky did claim to protect Alisae on the night of the no kill.

Somebody is lying about something somewhere in this game.

It ain't me, you, or petapan.

So? Who is it.

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Somebody is lying about something somewhere in this game.

What do you mean by this?

If at least one of Pooky and Alisae are scum, they are lying to our faces about the doctor business. I don't know what the truth is underneath the lie, but there's a lie.

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My original plan was actually to vote Alisae, but I think Pooky is better for today. peta does look alright.

This is what we need to decide between you, peta and me.

Pooky or Alisae.

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what exactly am I lieing about? I’m just a fucking vanilla townie

Just so you are aware. I consider your posts white noise and I pay no attention to your scum flail. Flail away if you must get it out of your system, but don't expect responses from me.

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If peta or I are scum, are there still lies?

If you're town, why are you asking this question? It is bizarre.

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why would I ask that as scum?

I don't know what that question is trying to get at. Explain.

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I was just trying to say that there is a possibility that they are both town.

That would make you scum Godfather.

Is that a confession?

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I don't know why you would want to do that, but you are in fact trying to convince me that are a godfather. I am amazed and perplexed.

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is alisae hellbusseing eir team while in a lover mason fakeclaim? i dunno

Judging by this game, it would be in character.

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you can beat peta

i believe in you

i'm town

I have 100% faith in that.

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If it was Tammy
I had a chance

but DGB

Hell no she hates me and probably wouldn't even give me the light of day

I don't hate you, it's a game.

But yeah - if find your barking unpersuasive.

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it's one of you two i don't keep a fucking doctor alive for style points

That's what I've been sayin'

But midway tried to convince me he was the scum.

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No I didn't wth

You were arguing that Pooky/Alisae are town.

I'm town
Peta is town

if, as you argued, Pooky/Alisae are town... that made you scum.

Very bizarre argument you were having with me.

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I'm just saying your mind works in ways I can't anticipate.

Also here's a picture of a garden for DGB:

You play with my heart like a climber on a trellis.

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Ah ok. I was just considering a world with godfathers.

Which would have to be yourself.

Like, I'm there, saying I will be voting between Pooky and Alisae, and you immediately challenged me to point to yourself - it's epic.

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I miss Montreal

such a beautiful place.

especially the delicious T-Rex Poutine from that place that took me an entire weekend to eat.

Goofbash II needs to happen since my son won't give me grandchildren LOL

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Ok that was probably a bit dumb from me

You'll have a funny story to tell.

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that sounds tragic

what is a grandmother without grandchildren? you need to get him to settle down already.

Oh he's settled but he doesn't fancy reproducing.

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my last will and testament is dont vote alisae in f3

I might have to ignore that.

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And frankly I wasn't too keen on the midway hammer.

I felt I should have had more input. I was not ready to vote, I still had questions.

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I checked Alisae and e came up town.

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yea this really is all my fault

Do you want to do a post mortem?

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oh this is gonna be lit

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It's a masterpiece.

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Now I'm going to have to read Alisae's posts... it's going to be a punishment.

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I will wait.

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Good job. You convinced me.

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I am ready to hammer Pooky, but I want to sleep on it.

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In case you're curious, Alisae...

My comments and interactions yester-gameday were completely insincere and totally strategic. My reasons for thinking Pooky was the last scum were less convincing than yours in the big post you just laid out, but that's where I was. It was in the interest of my own survival to make Pooky feel that I would be solidly in his corner, and prejudiced against you, who was the least confirmed player.

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its ok dgb this loss is more on me than you.

That's for sure!

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Why does Pooky pick this F3
I feel like Pooky's best chance of winning this game is through you.
I think its really apparent that our playstyles don't vibe with each other and Pooky knows you way better then I do.
I feel like what his goal in this F3 is going to be is he is going to argue that I'm in the better position and because I'm in the better position I'm scum for creating this LyLo.
And to an extent, he's right. This IS my best F3 to win if I'm scum. I think if it was me vs Peta it would be a lot harder for me to win then it would be me vs Pooky.
But with that said, I still think its easier for Pooky to convince you to vote me then it is for me to convince you to vote Pooky.

DGB has been suspicious of me in like every game I've ever played with her.

Our last completed game together, she was a beloved princess and I was her father and knew who she was and she knew of my existence but not my identity. As a crumb to her I posted a vader "I am your father" gif directed at her. She spent half of Day 1 trying to get me eliminated. People then tried to get her eliminated when they townread me - so I had to defend her and they asked me how I knew she was innocent. I started posting princess gifs saying she was my princess daughter. She continued to tried to get me eliminated :/

This was due to my neglect reading my entire role PM and not noticing the father bit.

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How is a doctor still alive, LOL.

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Dgb I’m in a rose garden at night cuz I decided to go for a walk.
Ima respond to poorly more later, but do you want pics?

sure!

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im doctor

if i wasnt doctor you would not be alive.

I think it’s really unfair for a doctor to be in this game with unlimited shots.
It’s one of the most powerful roles in the game along the likes of cops and vigs.

That almost sounds like scum bitter about the setup.

But

For Alisae to be scum, it would require for them to have shot themselves at night, and Pooky protecting them.

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Why, to prove you're a doctor?

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sure

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You want me to believe they wasted a NK to prove you're a town doctor, while you are an actual doctor, and cornered themselves forcing you to protect the sane cop until end game for the WIFOM?

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Alisae-scum would have to be psychic to no-kill on the night Pooky was going to pretend to doc-protect them.

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Alisae asked to be investigated, Pooky did not. He is probably not a godfather.

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Yes but YOU didn't want a guilty on YOU.

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If you're town, the scum NKs you, top priority.

But you cornered yourself with this fake claim and because you are scum, and ended up surviving, the whole game state gravitated around this problem.

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All that is complicated and unpredictable when the scum could have ND'd you and be done worrying about who you'd WIFOM protecting.

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dgb have you read Day 6 of this game?

I did not.

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The Occam's Razor explanation is that Alisaescum shot themselves at night, and you stopped it.

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The Occam's Razor explanation is that Alisaescum shot themselves at night, and you stopped it.

alisae doesnt need to shoot themselves. all they have to do is submit no-kill. the game plays out the same from f6 as f5.

There is no rationale for that.

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Still doesn't explain the NK.

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I mean, no kill.

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I am totally hung up on this one single point.

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Alisae chose to no-kill

But it makes no sense.

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But why no kill instead of kill...

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Still no explanation.

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Ok i will wait.

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ok I'm around now -

essentially Alisae-scum No-Kills on N4 so that the town has a wider POE pool on D5 - it is harder for the town to hit a scum in 6 players than 5 - similarly it is harder for the town to hit a scum in 4 players than 3.

It is better for scum to play 6p -> 4p lylo rather than 5p -> 3p lylo because their win probability is better.

If town declines the elim at 6 - town gets an extra investigation which helps Alisae-GF because if Alisae gets investigated they are on an even keel with any investigated townies in the endgame.

nah

I've been in many scum teams and never saw any such calculations.

Alisae has forsaken me

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Hey DGB, what do you think of this? Do you think this is a strong enough reason for a villager who only has the information in their role pm that they are town, to fakeclaim mason lovers with another villager?

Well

Once in a hydra with kuribo... we fakeclaimed mason with dramonic... we were town and so was he!

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Hey DGB, what do you think of this? Do you think this is a strong enough reason for a villager who only has the information in their role pm that they are town, to fakeclaim mason lovers with another villager?

Well

Once in a hydra with kuribo... we fakeclaimed mason with dramonic... we were town and so was he!

Link?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php? ... 1&start=75

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You are getting lost in detail.

Ultimately I still cannot accept that Alisae would no kill and

serendipitously

Pooky just happened to be doc-protecting them.

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I have yet to hear an explanation that doesn't require galaxy-brain scumcalculations.

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Even winning scum teams are usually disorganized and fairly incompetent.

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No I think it's ridiculously complicated. What scum plans 27 game days ahead like this?

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Especially early, mid game... scum lives day to day. You can't count on your plan not being foiled, there are too many unknown variables on a still long road ahead.

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I don't think you can fake-claim doctor, promise Tammy-Cop you will keep her safe, then shoot her and get away with it thru 2 eliminations

That's why you couldn't shoot.

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Impulsive move?

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I'm going to have to vote you, Pooky. I hope you understand why and forgive me LOL

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Alisae no killed because alisae wanted to be investigated and give the town worse elim odds. the fact that happened to be the night i protected alisae is a stroke of luck.

That stroke of luck will win their faction the game.

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SAY WHAT

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what did i just read

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That stroke of luck will win their faction the game.

um the only thing that wins scum the game is you making a mistake here

it is not about luck at this point.

It would be a forced error.

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Hey DGB, what do you think of this? Do you think this is a strong enough reason for a villager who only has the information in their role pm that they are town, to fakeclaim mason lovers with another villager?

Well

Once in a hydra with kuribo... we fakeclaimed mason with dramonic... we were town and so was he!

Link?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php? ... 1&start=75

I'ma take a look. In the meanwhile, do you think Pooky's reasoning for making that play is fine?

why did you two make this play?

For giggles, Alisae. GIGGLES

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Alisae can smell the blood in the air dgb

I kinda feel that a lil'bit

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I'm just waiting for a confession at this point.

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Alright ig I can concede the point that Pooky wouldn't claim mason lovers with a random villager? To me it doesn't make sense why any villager would do that period but if you think that the play is valid for town to make then thats fine ig?

That play was kind a legend at the time.

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VOTE: Pooky

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This is the part where both of you troll me and both pretend to be town.

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Phewwwwww

I am glad my replacement didn't let everyone down.

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well done dgb thanks for the save

Yeah it was a nailbiter for sure. I called you 200% town because I was setting you up to be NK'd.

I wanted to make sure I would be alive to investigate, and for my target to be alive. You had to die.

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I didn't give much thought about who to investigate between Alisae and Pooky - if one was town, the other was scum. But there could have been godfather shenanigans 5% chance.

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Thanks for great modding, FakeGod. I couldn't believe i missed sign-ups!

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I didn't give much thought about who to investigate between Alisae and Pooky - if one was town, the other was scum. But there could have been godfather shenanigans 5% chance.

I feel like copping Pooky covers all of the options?

True. It was probably the better choice in hindsight but with two players he'd be POE'd...

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Like actually legit, I think I'm starting to understand that the problem is I care too much about winning that I hurt other people along the way.

If this is the case, I think I actually just need to quit or find a different site to play on until I deal with this. Its probably just the root of all of my problems and I feel like if I address it maybe I can be a better person.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p7430794

Go read it.

OMG a whole thread of "how to suck all the fun out of mafia."

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Honestly I thought this game was a lot more fun because Alisae made these choices. The victory for town would've been a lot more easy if Alisae had declined my invitation but it would not have been as memorable or as thrilling.

I think treating mafia as a game played for fun and memories is better than being super serious about it <3 I am glad we got to have this little dance.

I hope everyone can walk away from the game without any hard feelings because we're all just trying to stay sane in a crazy world <3.

Yes!

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DGB literally suspects me every game she plays with me

Take it as the compliment that it is.

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I was kind of using weaker arguments on purpose because DGB tends to suspect me harder when I make better arguments lol :3

You play me like a violin.

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We haven't Serened in forever but I barely play and I'm on hiatus so

Good of you to follow advice from Serene's therapist.