Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Cabd]

Townblock application line is here in my circular file.. or firing squad?

[Cabd]

Townblock application line is here in my circular file.. or firing squad?

If you're town, I really need to know it within 4 pages. I'm deathly afraid how things might go otherwise.

You will literally never have to worry about that this game.

[Cabd]

While that is certainly an option on the table, I don't think that's going to be needed unless you have WAY more red in your PM than mine.


Page Usage this Phase: 1/60

[Cabd]

I have a "get out of this game before endgame if it becomes a toxic hellhole" coupon, ffery. Be jealous. Be very jealous.

[Cabd]

Howdy.

Howdy right back, 'pardner!

[Cabd]

Why are you claiming part of your role already? Seems like you are giving away a lot more than you should be?

Did you miss the mafia PT and post ITT on accident there, bud?

[Cabd]

I have a "get out of this game before endgame if it becomes a toxic hellhole" coupon, ffery. Be jealous. Be very jealous.

That does incite a little envy!

It's name is "Ffery's day three freakout" and it's a 100% guarantee.

[Cabd]

Do we know there are no 3P? I'm not seeing that anywhere.

Your inbox, in the pre-game posts?

[Cabd]

I have a "get out of this game before endgame if it becomes a toxic hellhole" coupon, ffery. Be jealous. Be very jealous.

That does incite a little envy!

It's name is "Ffery's day three freakout" and it's a 100% guarantee.

This suggests you know the colors of my rolecard.

No riposte?

Firstly I have no need to and secondly I am currently food telling

[Cabd]

9 hour advanced life support class today. the first of I presume many renewals.

Inhale, smoking is bad for your lungs!


Cabd, I think our mod has plagiarized from your book.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[Cabd]

What kind of cake is spicy anyway

Well done crab cakes!

[Cabd]

I have a "get out of this game before endgame if it becomes a toxic hellhole" coupon, ffery. Be jealous. Be very jealous.

That does incite a little envy!

It's name is "Ffery's day three freakout" and it's a 100% guarantee.

This suggests you know the colors of my rolecard.

No riposte?

Firstly I have no need to and secondly I am currently food telling

169 reasons would be more comforting, but I get what I get, I guess.

I'm not fond of that type of pizza.

[Cabd]

Unless you want to make tomorrow a good morning, in which case I can bust out the spoiler= tags!

[Cabd]

Anyways we can all blitz syr so he feels awkward when he gets here and sees all my cowboy references and starts posting the nod gif endlessly.

[Cabd]

I'm not fond of that type of pizza.

Noted!

Now. Why me before Syr?

[Cabd]

Yo, midway, you want to hash out whatever is in your paw?

[Cabd]

Ffery, how many role-PM receipt heart attacks? Asking for a friend.

[Cabd]

I'm not fond of that type of pizza.

Noted!

Now. Why me before Syr?

You're scarier. And you're around! I feel like I'll know pretty quickly if Syr's town. He and I have some of the same weaknesses as scum, especially interacting with each other.

Okay, but you're done with me, so his turn to play who wants to be a millionaire.

[Cabd]

Yo, midway, you want to hash out whatever is in your paw?

Uh why did you claim part of your role and call SS partner. You don't seem like the type of town player to openwolf start of game.

I already stated this, I'm doing cowboy references in the hopes of getting a paradox-prime like spiral of nodding gifs from Syr when he enters the thread.

What makes you think I claimed anything about my role?

[Cabd]

Which, admittedly, he's here and isn't doing that which is very high scum EV for him~

[Cabd]

?

Injoke. Note the next line to ffery.

[Cabd]

Like midway, I sincerely apologize in advance for the sheer depth of the meta-jokes that are about to fly over your head.

[Cabd]

Oh well.

Maybe I'll come back when the game starts then

Yeah man I'm sorry I know it's kinda frustrating sometimes.


We've got about a seven year head start at references. If it helps, you're always welcome to ask me to explain it, and I will unless of course it's our way of sneakily saying sneaky things sneakily.

[Cabd]

Jake you forgot the activity per phase tracker in your vote count. We are at 7 of 60.

[Cabd]

I have three town reads already. Woo.

[Cabd]

I have three town reads already. Woo.

i have one and it's the easy one

Servant Archer? Yeah.

[Cabd]

I guess the meta-phsyical question is: Why do you care where the votes are right now?

Thank you for your donation to advance science by offering yourself as a cure to what remains of the RVS virus.

[Cabd]

I guess the meta-phsyical question is: Why do you care where the votes are right now?

Thank you for your donation to advance science by offering yourself as a cure to what remains of the RVS virus.

......

Doncha just love when somebody beats you to it?

[Cabd]

nah because the bear's town

Spoiler: People Town Reading Archer Masonry PT

Hi!

[Cabd]

Did you have expectations here?

No comment. I think you've said your pecan pie plenty.

[Cabd]

I really doubt scum!Jake is going to come out of the game posting votecounts instead of trying to form connections with other people.

this feels like a zero-dimensional view of scum play?

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[Cabd]

nah because the bear's town

Spoiler: People Town Reading Archer Masonry PT

Hi!

Spoiler: People Town Reading Archer Masonry PT

Pop Quiz, who are my other town reads and why?

[Cabd]

for a second I thought
"Cabd could be town because we're on the same wavelength"
but then I remembered that he could have just understood what I was trying to ask so its probably not alignment indicative.

ok bye now

It counts even if it's a fluke!

[Cabd]

@Tammy fair point
The sample role PM has neighborhood included so that’s why I thought that.

There's also the PM where fakegod explicitly talks about neighborhoods not being open until the game starts!

[Cabd]

okay it's late and almost page 10 which means my internal mafia clock says it's time to start making serious posts too

I don't wanna

Hi Tammy, I have expressed read(s), do you agree with those read(s) or no, and why?

It's srsbsns time!

[Cabd]

nah because the bear's town

Spoiler: People Town Reading Archer Masonry PT

Hi!

Spoiler: People Town Reading Archer Masonry PT

Pop Quiz, who are my other town reads and why?

Spoiler:

Me. ~reasons~

Did you and Syr end up in a black hole? Or are you moon gazing with blue balls?

[Cabd]

okay it's late and almost page 10 which means my internal mafia clock says it's time to start making serious posts too

I don't wanna

Hi Tammy, I have expressed read(s), do you agree with those read(s) or no, and why?

It's srsbsns time!

I have no comment on your reads at this time.

My processing chip hasn't even started whirring yet.

It's page ten.

Shutdown -r /f

[Cabd]

I’m trying to engage with DS not Bell or SS

<3

You should be mad I beat you to it.

You're still missing a guess.

[Cabd]

Alisae, are you excited to be in this game?

[Cabd]

VOTE: Bell

Woke up because my subconscious wanted this before I drift back off. Something is wrong here.

[Cabd]

I’m trying to engage with DS not Bell or SS

<3

You should be mad I beat you to it.

You're still missing a guess.

I'm wondering if you can read Bell.

I suppose we'll see how this one turns out!

I woke up and didn't hate it still, so... uh... yeah.

Not commenting on your syr read yet. How you read him and how I read him are miles apart, and I'm not giving away the game that easily.

[Cabd]

Is this a mafia thing or no?

It's an in-joke. Nacho used to call talking about your dinner in detail scummy and a tell.

[Cabd]

I see. Was there any basis, or was it truly all in jest? I recall seeing this same idea put forth in a more serious light in the past.

I mean... I was stating that I was going to cook dinner, so "food tell" was a self-reference.

In the past, it was a sort of tell but has since been discredited.

The "tell" was something like this:

"I'm going to make dinner"
vs
"I'm cooking up tortellini in a light homemade cream sauce with sausage and salmon for the protein, along with some sprouts brushed with olive oil and a maple garlic seasoning rub, sauteed in butter"

That the latter was scum indicative in a way that the first one was not.

[Cabd]

Halfway there. Challenge accepted.

Cabd or petapan?

Yes

Cheeky.

So are we townblocing or no?

You didn't dream me voting there, you know.

Stop consorting with the enemy.

[Cabd]

Did I ask you for a dance?

Uh, yes?

I'm wondering if you can read Bell.

[Cabd]

Fine. Just know that if this is a case where I've lost two, and we're down to only 167 reasons now, that I told you so.

[Cabd]

Fine. Just know that if this is a case where I've lost two, and we're down to only 167 reasons now, that I told you so.

Pizza fixes many things in life.

....I suddenly have a lot of thoughts about this setup.

We're going to need to go even another layer deeper to be able to talk about it.

But it's urgent.

[Cabd]

Fine. Just know that if this is a case where I've lost two, and we're down to only 167 reasons now, that I told you so.

Pizza fixes many things in life.

....I suddenly have a lot of thoughts about this setup.

We're going to need to go even another layer deeper to be able to talk about it.

But it's urgent.

Let's see how far we can get, Dathon.

You know that thing Andy collects as games go onwards that he love-hates? I think he's going to get a LOT of them quickly. VERY quickly.

[Cabd]

And quite frankly I think everyone may have a slice of life this game.

[Cabd]

...Fuck

[Cabd]

...Fuck

Hm.

Maybe I misunderstood. What I thought you meant about Andy's love/hate wasn't exactly seismic.

How well do you trust your initial read of syr?

[Cabd]

Cabd.

Both of my 10-7 shifts called in sick. I'm essentially a one man band for about 4,000 end points while my morning guy is on lunch.


It's urgent, but IRL workplace stuff is MORE urgent.

[Cabd]

Cabd.

Both of my 10-7 shifts called in sick. I'm essentially a one man band for about 4,000 end points while my morning guy is on lunch.


It's urgent, but IRL workplace stuff is MORE urgent.

How hungry are you? How many slices?

[Cabd]

Eh, forget it. I'm getting nowhere.

[Cabd]

Eh, forget it. I'm getting nowhere.

And the fact that this is happening re-assures me we aren't in the doom and gloom scenario at least.


Instead, let's talk about why you are already trusting of me enough to make these moves?


What post did it for you?


(P.S. You owe me a heart attack count)

[Cabd]

This whole exchange makes me question why scum me ever thought townreading D0 Assassin that early actually looked legit.

I laughed.

[Cabd]

mine
(How does one pronounce fferyllt)

"Tah Ow Nuh"

[Cabd]

Pedit Alisae is scum bois light em up

You remember the Challenge Quest from the Fate/Zero event? The one where Kiritugu fights solo against Angra?

I need you to do that for me. Avenger got too many stacks of evil this game.

[Cabd]

We're already at page 19 of 60, wagon 'em up~!

[Cabd]

What's this about 60 pages?

It's in injoke about the large theme game I just ran, which had this rule:

5. A game phase is considered "exhausted" if a phase generated more than 60 new pages of posts. At that point, the game will enter "wind down" phase. The page count of the current player phase will be provided in each vote count.
6. During "wind down" each player is allowed a one post, and one additional post per vote on them at the time of the thread lock. (These counts will be mod-provided publicly)

[Cabd]

Syr, was that a "I townread Cabd and he has CALLED FOR MY VOTE" vote, or a "Holy shit Cabd is right, kill it with fire" vote?

Or bof?

[Cabd]

tagepop

For being so pre-occupied with vote counts, yours sits atop your vote from RVS.


Why?

[Cabd]

Jake just needs time and pizza.

Bell needs an exorcism.

Not even comparable.

[Cabd]

Time he can have. Pizza? Nope.jpeg

Let ffery feed him and don't worry about it!

She has sympathies for the sit back and observe type.

[Cabd]

On a more serious note, I'm not feeling all that sane rn.

Three hour naps work wonders.

[Cabd]

Jake just needs time and pizza.

Bell needs an exorcism.

Not even comparable.

I get this.

I'm just not on board atm. His yesterday sounded pretty hellish.

Did I miss context?

[Cabd]

Jake just needs time and pizza.

Bell needs an exorcism.

Not even comparable.

I get this.

I'm just not on board atm. His yesterday sounded pretty hellish.

Did I miss context?

Eh, nevermind, have your powdery white lines of questioning.

Let me know when you OD.

[Cabd]

Jake just needs time and pizza.

Bell needs an exorcism.

Not even comparable.

Oooh, I can do an exorcism! I just need some holy water. Boil the hell out of it or whatever.

Don’t you yourself profess to be a demon?

I like Cabd’s approach to Jake though.

You don't even know how true this is.

[Cabd]

okay it's late and almost page 10 which means my internal mafia clock says it's time to start making serious posts too

I don't wanna

Hi Tammy, I have expressed read(s), do you agree with those read(s) or no, and why?

It's srsbsns time!

A few quick thoughts while I'm on a break.

I don't really have reads I feel close to comfortable right now or thoughts that probably really go anywhere. I mourn pre-2015 me who got early reads, but I've been so much more cautious since that scum streak from hell.

Anyway, I have liked midwaybear's approach in general and have no issues with him so far. I particularly like him tonally. There was a post where someone asked him why he was grumpy and he just said something like this was him or how he plays or something. And that had a much better tone than the wooden response he had whenever he was called scum in FGO. So, not enough for me to go oh hey yeah he's town, but I like him enough that I have no qualms with it.

I liked ffer's response to your questions about reads when she said me ~reasons. I don't know how scum ffery would approach a town you, but I'm thinking about how she approached me the last time she was scum and it was a kinda flat fake paranoia that rang all wrong. (I was scum reading her predecessor and she was hydraing with nacho who purple prose scum told in his beginning, so I was already wary so that could be some confirmation bias.). I think scum ffery wouldn't be expecting that you would be town reading her, though she might have to respond that way because that's how she would as town? The way you guys are lady and the tramping it suggests you both are town reading each other decently, and I'm still in watching that play out mode.

I'm cautiously optimistic on ffery there and I'm in a similar position with Syry. I don't expect syr to fold faster than a player with. 2 7 off suite with pressure anymore; I think his scum game has come a long way since when we were partners. But I do know that he would hate to draw scum here, and with that knowledge I like his entrance so far. I was a little concerned with the super strong town read on ffery so quickly, but syry is like that? So, maybe sryr and I will dance later and I'll feel better later. These two reads are my crux; cautiously optimistic at the moment but I also really want them both to be town and I know that which might be making me feel even more cautious about the optimism.

As an aside because I now have to run. Think ffery expected petapan to come into the game as assassin going hard, but peta just seems like peta to me.

Sorry, didn't realize you wanted a response! I sort of just nodded along and agreed but never stated as such? You also didn't actually engage a read on ME in this post per say but guessing that's intentional!

But my ego wanted MOAR cabdtalk.

[Cabd]

Is there a reason Syr and Alisae are at each other’s throats? Is this some in-joke?

Not that I'm aware of? I just wanna know why

he

voted Nahdia based off the thing

he

linked

Also, I now feel terrible. Wow. So much for feeling better.

I'm sorry

They.

I don't particularity have any reason to scumread Alisae at present. They are here but not in a way that pings anything.

[Cabd]

So now THAT is a spicy take.

Sell me!

[Cabd]

"Happy to be scum" is not something I generally ascribe to Syr's current life choices, but my mind is still open.

[Cabd]

do you actually like spicy food?

This is a product I consume daily.

https://pepperpalace.com/collections/ho ... black-rose

[Cabd]

What flavors do you like?

Currently I am obsessed with Mint Chocolate Chip because it reminds me of the last time I was truly happy.

Did you know that its impossible to eat Ice Cream w/o smiling?

AVATAR CHANGE!


Also the best ice cream flavor ever was watermelon with chocolate chip seeds but it sold terribly and they pulled it.

jerks.

[Cabd]

AVATAR CHANGE!

I finished Chapter 6 of higurashi and just starting on chapter 7.
When I play VNs I usually crop out the bits I like of the CGs

Ah yeah depending on the day doing that here would be BAD.

But then again, this avatar is from a VN and has been with me forever soooo

[Cabd]

I know that gut.

What's going on, Bell?

I slept 2 hours last night because I was nervous about taking my first advanced life support class which was 9 hours long.

I went to bed at 2 Am last night.
I woke up at 3PM.
Then I went back to bed again and just woke up 30 minutes ago.

Also, I now feel terrible. Wow. So much for feeling better.

[Cabd]

This game doesn’t have any third parties Jake.

Who's to say there aren't any traitors?

Nothing explicit, but mod meta is fairly clear on this one.

[Cabd]

Fakegod doesn't like traitors as a role. His only use of the word traitor in any setup was as a "name" for the mafia goon role.

[Cabd]

Fakegod doesn't like traitors as a role. His only use of the word traitor in any setup was as a "name" for the mafia goon role.

When was this?

Dragon Hunter: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... t=+traitor

And

Access Point: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... t=+traitor

It's not like it's hard to control-F traitor on Fakegod's global ISO.

[Cabd]

I mean the answer is fairly obvious if you do an egosearch of him. His old account predates you.

[Cabd]

I mean the answer is fairly obvious if you do an egosearch of him. His old account predates you.

Ok so an alt gotcha

Correct. Bell is circa 2013 and has a few games with our cohort.

[Cabd]

You know what would make me happier?

More votes there!


I don't want a 500 page slog day one when we can live in a better world.

[Cabd]

I can't do it
UNVOTE:

I can't not give Bell time and pizza if we're already giving other people I don't love as much time and pizza

Ffery if we had scum!Bell and I let you talk me out of it I'm never letting you hear the end of it

Now i need a new target. Hm. Back later.

You are severely mistaken as to the deepest meaning of pizza, and I don't intend to dish out any more clarity.

[Cabd]

My time to approach this game will be limited for a few hours, but when I'm back, ffery, we can talk about why I still like my Bell vote, if you'd like.

[Cabd]

Oh was that to me?

What makes you think this is 100% gut and 0% meta?

[Cabd]

VOTE: petapan

This post, mostly.

[Cabd]

If you thought it was bullshit, and I could be over-inflating my opinion here, is that you'd be trying to deal with me and convincing ffery otherwise.

[Cabd]

No, just that your voting not-me means you think it's A or B, and not C: 100% bullshit

[Cabd]

My time to approach this game will be limited for a few hours, but when I'm back, ffery, we can talk about why I still like my Bell vote, if you'd like.

My weekly dnd thing starts in about 3 hours.

How many people sit above me a tier or two right now in your eyes? You don't have to tell me who, just how many total, and how many tiers.

[Cabd]

I don’t know which Cabd. That’s why i’m here dealing with you and trying to understand where you’re coming from.
If this was a meta read I could say something, but because you’re not giving an explanation i can’t, you’re corralling others with no explanation.

That's... fair, actually.

I kind of want to just talk candidly about it, and damn the torpedo and let ffery bail me out if running my mouth hurts me here.

But I'm not sure that's fair to the game state.

[Cabd]

How would you be approaching me if you were scum versus town here?

I think I'd be going expliclty for people outside the cohort. I kind of include you in the list of cohort folks these days.

[Cabd]

To be fair I haven't been scum in years.


The arms race would probably have to be rebooted from scratch.

[Cabd]

Sorry to disappoint!

[Cabd]

It would be a shitton easier for me if I were scum to claim gutread but here we are in a world where I gutread you as scum and have pretty much no reason why it's so deeply bothering my soul to see your heart remain beating.

The problem for me is last time I had a gut read this strong I faked a day cop guilty on it.

[Cabd]

It would be a lot easier if I could cite meta but I don't think there's anything here that supports you scum.


The fact that I'm going ahead anyways is a shock to me as well!

[Cabd]

thank tlaloc you're not putting me in the position of arbiting a fake guilty.

Newcabd isn't oldcabd

[Cabd]

It would be a shitton easier for me

if I were scum to claim gutread but here we are in a world where I gutread you as scum and have pretty much no reason why it's so deeply bothering my soul to see your heart remain beating.

The problem for me is last time I had a gut read this strong I faked a day cop guilty on it.

I don't think this is the mistake you think it is.

[Cabd]

Shoot the torpedo Cabd. I won’t make fun of you for it, more important I see where you’re coming from.
Also, i’m Not disappointed in you. It would be hypocritical of me to be.

I literally scum read you due to a dream I had where it told me you were mafia, and when I woke up, I couldn't logically argue against it.


This type of read has happened literally twice before in the past decade. Both times it was right. Even if the rest of the data says this should be a null read, I'm taking my dream to the bank, right now.

I am literally "Following my dreams"

[Cabd]

It's even more unfair than meta, because at least meta can be debated.

I hate that it is what it is... but it ~IS~

[Cabd]

I felt zero remorse when it was cadiant rowbells staring it down, but it hurts right now because I enjoy you as a person and a player, but here we are.

[Cabd]

What was the other time?

Before my mafiascum days.

Back on 6P/Poekgym, don't recall which or who it was any more. MANY many moons ago.

[Cabd]

Gods, I want to policy you for breathing that name out of the void.

[Cabd]

@midwaybear, you never stood a chance.

Thanks Cabd, i’m glad you enjoy me as a player. I can’t do anything with that and so I shall ask you what else you got?

I'm super afraid I'm going to end up lost if I'm wrong about you, nothing else has jumped out to me as mafia.

I have plenty of town reads, though.

To answer my own question to ffery; There is at least two tiers above her, and 2 people in it; one each.

[Cabd]

Are you? Or are there just people well above you in shining beacon of towniness?

[Cabd]

my feeling on jake is he's probably going to get himself yeeted at some point this game and i have no idea which way he'll flip

I specifically joined a Large game to avoid getting executed first.

Is there a reason that you're so unwilling to put in heavy lifting, then?

[Cabd]

But can you respond to 849 Diamond?

[Cabd]

It's begging for you to agree with them, or at the very least grant his reads merit. In my experience, it's been a horrible scum-tell, where a player asking for someone to validate their reads is just trying make them seem legitimate.

This wasn't asking for validation though? This was asking for feedback, as in "Do you agree or disagree with my reads?"
"

See, that's where you're wrong, buddy.

It's not just about what people say, but why do they say it? And specifically, why do they say it how they say it? Instead of saying "what do you think of my reads", why did they not say "what reads do you have on X, Y, and Z people?" The former has an inherent assertion that the reads have merit of their own, and it's a clever way to normalize someone's opinions.

PEdit: So a couple things.
I do know Cabd's personality, and it's not just personality that I'm reading. I've glanced at some of his recent games and this behavior is a bit off compared to those.
Additionally, at this point (this early in the game), working together should always be viewed with scrutiny. Even if they're metabuddies, any amount of immediate comradery should be viewed under the microscope.
And finally, I

have

looked at that possibility that he is trying to read your reaction, and I just don't find that credible. It doesn't hold much water. Anyone can react to someone's reads. It's, in my experience, one of the weaker types of ways to read people.

You're using the wrong lens on your microscope.

[Cabd]

If you think the pizza stuff is just joking around, then those posts are doing their job of being ungrokable except for their chosen destinations.

They're there for a reason that you're not privy to.

[Cabd]

There was but people are talking about me and my ego will never recover.

[Cabd]

GiF-style tiers

Do you feel like you have enough data yet?

[Cabd]

GiF-style tiers

Do you feel like you have enough data yet?

I'm going to know in a bit!

Do you?

I have enough for around 5 chapters in my novel.

[Cabd]

Only 19 pages left...

[Cabd]

I wonder how much overlap we have!

You feeling cocky enough to go first, or?

[Cabd]

geeze cabd desperate for approval much?

Shhhhhh I'm busy triggering people who don't realize that the cabd-ffery day one dance is the reason for the season.

[Cabd]

People scumreading me probably don't realize that the gatekeeper of hell herself has endorsed me getting to Day three before everything breaks down.

[Cabd]

You feeling cocky enough to go first, or?

Don't need to feel cocky to have me as townread #1

You're the boring global town read that nobody gets any points for.

[Cabd]

Where's taylor

Did you forget to call her chaperone to escort her out of your mafia PT~?

[Cabd]

Explicitly... ~ is my /s tag method.

[Cabd]

Midway up, Something Smart Up.
Petapan down, Syr down.

You know my current opinion on bell.

[Cabd]

Alisae belongs sitting above the burn line... but only barely.

[Cabd]

You should go back and answer it, though, tammy!

[Cabd]

THink it's dead, you can prolly do the thing now.

[Cabd]

anyone else you have an opinion on that I don't?

Yep!

Diamond should be at your midway tier. I really do think this is a play style clash. Not saying I townread the nitpicking on my style, but I don't objectively scumread it either! I was hoping you'd intervene to explain why pizza talk had to happen, but upon further consideration of us not being in defcon 1 world, I don't care any more.

[Cabd]

One day I will make it into ffery's top tier, that day will be nirvana and then I'll never play again

You've been there before. I think you were the only player I really trusted in Tales of You by day 3.

You're oddly determined to give as many players trauma as possible toady, aren't you?

[Cabd]

I have a shiny new meta tell on something smart.

It's something incredibly smart of me to notice!

[Cabd]

ugh

Translation: "Thanks. I hate it"

[Cabd]

I meta'd him recently. I feel like he's doing these game-health-maintenance posts and from the meta that's more of a town thing with him. He feels relaxed and sort of floating above the game in some ways. He sticks more of an oar in as scum.

And mine isn't this one~

[Cabd]

You should go back and answer it, though, tammy!

BUT the only read you had explicitly stated was midway bear. Ffery called herself your other town read and you didn't deny it so that was one.

my ego wanted to say me but that one was silly and I didn't state it because I don't think even you would know why I was town at that point or even this point probably.

My third one was, actually, indeed you! But you weren't supposed to figure it out that easily.

[Cabd]

And I wanted to see who you'd theory craft the third to be to shore up my read on you. But then thread happened.

[Cabd]

I didn't know you'd surrendered you can read ffery card.

?

Was this @me?

[Cabd]

On page 43.

I don't even

Think about it incredibly hard. You're good at this kind of thinking.

Let me know if you don't have it by the morning.

[Cabd]

You very much missed my meaning but that's okay. The fact that you COULD miss it means we aren't as badly off as I'd feared.

[Cabd]

Diamond, Gamma and Alisae are the players I feel like I should already have an opinion on. I'm probably close, but data overload, I guess.

How's this going?

[Cabd]

Cabd can you talk about your read on Syry? Do you actually suspect him or is that one of those weird things you do sometimes where you pretend to scumread someone you don't actually to catch people in a trap?

I feel like if ffery has him as town as she has him I shouldn't feel this hesitation and conflict.

Are your concerns real? Or am I just really crazy right now?

Actually scratch this. I don't care. I'm gonna stop beating myself up for not having a concrete read right here when we're still in the infant stages of the game.

If he's town I'll figure it out eventually.

I know you don't care, but I kind of feel the need to reply to this anyways.

This isn't a case of "One of those weird things"

I don't think what Syr has done is all that outside of his scumrange. I know FGO was like a jumbo box of wheaties right to his solar plexus. So I expect his confidence in his play writ large is better these days, not just about his townplay.

I quite frankly don't really care how ffery is reading or not reading him, and I want to read him by myself on my own merits. And right now it's not enough to put him in the tier list that some beacons of hope this game occupy.

[Cabd]

Diamond, Gamma and Alisae are the players I feel like I should already have an opinion on. I'm probably close, but data overload, I guess.

How's this going?

I think I see a very old strong towntell from one of these three players.

I'm going to keep it otherwise close to my chest which tell, and which of those three, but curious to see if you get there or see it as well.

[Cabd]

On page 43.

I don't even

Think about it incredibly hard. You're good at this kind of thinking.

Let me know if you don't have it by the morning.

WE ALL GOOD HERE?

[Cabd]

Bah, cruise control for cool, sorries.

[Cabd]

Tiers are FLTR, i have thoughts below the limbo line but will get to them eventually. Not right this second.

{Something_Smart, Midway, Ffery}
{Tammy, Cake, Syr}
{Alisae, Petapan}
{Gamma, Nahdia}
~~~Line of How low Can You Limbo?~~~

[Cabd]

I wonder how much overlap we have!

You feeling cocky enough to go first, or?

yeah. I'd rather not be influenced by whatever you've got.


{...........} <-- This makes me sad
{Syryana, SirCakez, Cabd*}
{Tammy, Bell, Something_Smart, petapan} <-- Some of these surprised me
-------------------
{midway bear} <-- may be too influenced by opinions in my peripheral vision. I'm going to spend some time with his iso when I'm more awake.
-------------------
{............} at a guess,
{............} I'll wind up with at least two more tiers.

* I'm treating you as unequivocal town and seeing what my gut thinks about it. You've made yourself vulnerable in a player list like this one with you Bell stance, and I don't think that's something you'd do as scum.

As for the rest of the player list, some I need more post data. some I need to marinate on. some I need to meta. Some have enough data in the thread that I feel like they should be sortable, but I don't have a first approximation. maybe it's my failing. maybe it's their content. I have work to do tomorrow.

Diamond, Gamma and Alisae are the players I feel like I should already have an opinion on. I'm probably close, but data overload, I guess.

How's this going?

Alisae town. Diamond was bugging the hell out of me but he posted something I quoted recently that put some of his playstyle into focus for me and I can see what he's doing as potentially town play, but I'm gonna need more time/data/interaction I think to feel confident. Gamma is distinctly up from fire from a thousand suns territory. Settling on a tier is going to take some interaction.

I'll feel more like interaction after I get a nap, I think. My usual sleep deficit increased the last couple nights.

[Cabd]

What timing.

[Cabd]

I wonder how much overlap we have!

You feeling cocky enough to go first, or?

yeah. I'd rather not be influenced by whatever you've got.


{...........} <-- This makes me sad
{Syryana, SirCakez, Cabd*}
{Tammy, Bell, Something_Smart, petapan} <-- Some of these surprised me
-------------------
{midway bear} <-- may be too influenced by opinions in my peripheral vision. I'm going to spend some time with his iso when I'm more awake.
-------------------
{............} at a guess,
{............} I'll wind up with at least two more tiers.

* I'm treating you as unequivocal town and seeing what my gut thinks about it. You've made yourself vulnerable in a player list like this one with you Bell stance, and I don't think that's something you'd do as scum.

As for the rest of the player list, some I need more post data. some I need to marinate on. some I need to meta. Some have enough data in the thread that I feel like they should be sortable, but I don't have a first approximation. maybe it's my failing. maybe it's their content. I have work to do tomorrow.

Diamond, Gamma and Alisae are the players I feel like I should already have an opinion on. I'm probably close, but data overload, I guess.

How's this going?

Alisae town. Diamond was bugging the hell out of me but he posted something I quoted recently that put some of his playstyle into focus for me and I can see what he's doing as potentially town play, but I'm gonna need more time/data/interaction I think to feel confident. Gamma is distinctly up from fire from a thousand suns territory. Settling on a tier is going to take some interaction.

I'll feel more like interaction after I get a nap, I think. My usual sleep deficit increased the last couple nights.

And?

Which one(s) are you not townreading?

You know full well which one. But it was just a throwaway meme and if I full-reads I'll probably have less than 4 myself.

[Cabd]

You know full well which one. But it was just a throwaway meme and if I full-reads I'll probably have less than 4 myself.

I think I do know. I'd have liked confirmation rather than snark.

My vote is very much where it is still.

[Cabd]

wait no
also... that sorta implies he is not in a hood? Anyways, I'm wondering a bit about these neighborhoods.

Keep wondering. But keep it internal.

[Cabd]

I'm not gonna insist on keeping it there forever if I get traditional scumreads.

But it's there for now.

[Cabd]

Wait, I can sign up for a cabd-is-town essay?

I wish to subscribe to this newsletter.

[Cabd]

Oh.


Is it really time to talk about that already?

Fiiine.

It's gamma.

[Cabd]

Oh.


Is it really time to talk about that already?

Fiiine.

It's gamma.

I was going to be annoyed if you were scumreading my grumpy old man shouting at clouds null-town read.

I don't think gamma-scum makes 979 in the main thread if he can make it in the scum PT.

I also want Gamma to tell me what's up with this statement, as far as why it matters!

btw I think this is the first time I've played with cabd and alisae at the same time since my first game with cabd

[Cabd]

It was a question to me couched within an Advance War metaphor.

I'm not going to explain the question or answer at this time.

That’s exactly what I expected and I’m good with just the validation for now

With this post too?

[Cabd]

Nah. Gamma was the town in the three.

[Cabd]

I'd still like you to answer my question in 1280. I am but an egg.

Once again, I just think he doesn't reply to it, at all. Just allows it to sit.

[Cabd]

I don't really think this is gonna be any more relevant any more. I want my five pages single spaced thesis opening on cabdtown now. Much more relevant.

[Cabd]

{Something_Smart, Midway, Ffery}
{Tammy, Cake, Syr}
{Alisae, Petapan}
{Gamma, Nahdia}
~~~Line of How low Can You Limbo?~~~
{Diamond, Bell, Taylor}
~~~Line of Enough Data (I don't know where to place this players yet)~~~
{Bulge, Pookey}
{Jake*}


*To be meta'd, I know syr mentioned having done some research but I need to fact check.

Excluding Bell, what are your adjustments here if you gun-to-head?

[Cabd]

I only write five page essays on paranoia reads.

Just imagine how quickly I'll submit the "Nightkill ffery" tonight, then?

[Cabd]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tammy

goodnight

Come back, coward!

What motivates you to play forum mafia?

[Cabd]

oh i guess i misinterepreted it because i'm tired and didn't read the categories close enough and just saw the middle and assumed it was, well, middle. don't agree with several of those placements.

If only I were around and posted those mostly as a way to get people to start talking reads to me (or about me) and form consolidation wagons because we have four days left.

[Cabd]

Every post I make is an invitation, if you wish to invite yourself!

[Cabd]

I think a fair statement about syr this game is:

"if syr is scum, he has at least one buddy he explicitly trusts and feels will be able to keep up with him"

[Cabd]

- have i once again wrongly inflicted misery on Scheherazade?

i was very proud of this and the intended audience did not give it the recognition i wanted

I laughed.

[Cabd]

VOTE: Bell

Woke up because my subconscious wanted this before I drift back off. Something is wrong here.

Dream crumb lol

I just point this out because there was a part of me that was a bit suspicious of the dream explanation, which I know is silly. But scum have claimed dreams before and people tend to think those are little indicators that someone is town, and I was like is Cabd just planting this in his iso to look town. It's partially silly because nobody is going to follow him on a dream, so if Cabd scum really wants to get Bell lynched he's going to have to do something more than a dream.

Anyway with this and the post where he says he woke up and still felt good about the vote make this feel like it was something real, and my silly thoughts were silly.

The stronger argument to me is that Town-Cabd once dragged me along in our hydra to fake a daycop guilty in a game, based on a dream. I didn't know the basis at the time or I might have dug my heels in.

From his posts, it looked like he expected me to be able to save him if he went there this time and it blew up.

You wouldn't have gone along anyways?

[Cabd]

thank you for validating me

Repayment by means of engagement on my reads and you stated disagreement with placements on them?

[Cabd]

Ready to vote Bell yet?

[Cabd]

Ready to vote Bell yet?

I'll be waiting.

[Cabd]

But does he have good dreams?

He shouldn't!

He doesn't deserve them this game.

[Cabd]

Ready to vote Bell yet?

[Cabd]

Cabd, want to talk Jake meta?

This won't happen until late tomorrow night or Wednesday afternoon most likely.


Do you think it's particularly urgent? Do you see yourself voting there today or disagreeing with syrs take?

[Cabd]

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-10-16 20:35:31)

People need to be laying down votes.

[Cabd]

I'm at work so it won't be realtime, but sure.

[Cabd]

actually coming around to s_s town as he's starting to hit me on a gut level as "lost townie detached from the game"

I find myself nodding to this, actually.

diamond's frustration in 1260 felt legitimate, and immediately prior to that when ffery tried to reach out to him and he slapped her hand back it felt a townie sort of paranoia. i would have significant doubts there if bell is scum, though, but preflip associatives bad etc etc

Reading Diamond this game reminds me one hell of a lot of reading Shielder in the last game; I want to scumread it because wtf but there's indications of towniness (e.g. 1260) and makes me just think that their thought process is alien to me like Shielder's was. GTH town

{Something_Smart, Midway, Ffery}
{Tammy, Cake, Syr}
{Alisae, Petapan}
{Gamma, Nahdia}
~~~Line of How low Can You Limbo?~~~
{Diamond, Bell, Taylor}
~~~Line of Enough Data (I don't know where to place this players yet)~~~
{Bulge, Pookey}
{Jake*}


*To be meta'd, I know syr mentioned having done some research but I need to fact check.

Excluding Bell, what are your adjustments here if you gun-to-head?

S_S down to Gamma tier, petapan up one, Nahdia down, Diamond up, Jake

Fuck it

{Midway, Ffery}
{Tammy, Cake, petapan, Cabd}
{Alisae}
{Gamma, S_S, Jake, Pookey}
~~~Line of How low Can You Limbo?~~~
{Nahdia, Bell, Taylor}
~~~Line of Enough Data (I don't know where to place this players yet)~~~
{Bulge}

Pedit: Hi ffery!

So you're back to scumreading bell with me? But you went off to chance the popstar?

[Cabd]

I’m fine.

You are! It's not that you're having issues with Bell's ability to seem town because he's town.

It's because Avenger is using his leftover evil stacks.

[Cabd]

Taylor was Shielder2
Just saying.

Midwaybear was archer1, Just saying.

[Cabd]

CABD GET YOUR ASS OUT OF THE SCUM PT AND COME TALK TO ME

All of the setup spec and crumbing I did to you is useless now.

I'm in a meeting for the next hour.

Solving the dethy can come first but you're not off the hook for Bell.

[Cabd]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Taylor

Back in an hour's time. Ish.

[Cabd]

is there reason to believe there might be a traitor and a fullscum in that group, rather than having a 4 person masonry as soon as the dethy resolves? anyone can answer but im maiy asking i guess from a 1) balance pov and 2) WWFGD

>0% chance, highly doubt a giant masonry is gonna go down.

[Cabd]

Now out for real, PBIX presentation time.

[Cabd]

I agree with petapan. Read the flip info in the OPs and gave a look at his isos in the games Syr linked.

Hi. I have something important the dethy needs to know, it's time to break out the chalkboard and pastels.

[Cabd]

Yes, because 1606 doesn't say anything. If Tayl0r wants to make an actual defense, I'll engage it for sure.

hard to make an actual defense when the actual case is all stuff thats NAI being painted as scummy.

For starters, who is the scum in the deathy, in your view?

[Cabd]

Your ISO has zero mentions of Jake except the reply to my question.

You haven't voted Jake, you haven't suspected Jake, you haven't even thought about Jake.

Why?

[Cabd]

I did some counting and by my calculations taylor is at E-2

UNVOTE:

Want some more of that sweet sweet conversation

Has taylor been pushing for jakescum in the hood?

[Cabd]

You aren't the only big neighborhood with a conundrum

[Cabd]

You aren't the only big neighborhood with a conundrum

I'm pretty sure this is just a giant troll and fake God is laughing his ass off like I used to during the tales games

[Cabd]

You aren't the only big neighborhood with a conundrum

I know!

I would go as far as to say that mine is a direct counter to yours

[Cabd]

If your neighborhood solves the conundrum mine becomes ridiculously underpowered

[Cabd]

I don't think claiming more details about my hood is a good idea until we resolve yours for reasons that I just realized sorry

[Cabd]

Do you remember one of my very first scum wins when I dreamed of walking?

[Cabd]

To the members of the deathy:

If indeed Taylor is not the traitor where would each of you point towards the second option?

[Cabd]

I have to say I am quite jealous though you all got a really cool neighborhood I got a build your own kit made out of popsicles and sand

[Cabd]

Do you remember one of my very first scum wins when I dreamed of walking?

~shudder~

Whatever nightmare you are currently having is probably not strong enough

[Cabd]

I enter people into traditional marriage with you,syr

[Cabd]

Whatever nightmare you are currently having is probably not strong enough

[Cabd]

This is one of those cases where I'm not sure that letting the day go on for another 31 pages is such a great idea

[Cabd]

We are already 11 pages over the limit that I set

[Cabd]

Wow. Just... fucking wow.

[Cabd]

SHIELDERPACT

[Cabd]

That's a RQ.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Cabd]

Should we haste-exe Tayl0r so their replacement won't need to be stuck in a dead slot?

What do you personally fix the odds at, that it's taylor?

[Cabd]

The only bastard I'd wish this slot on is zmuffinman~

[Cabd]

I don't want this slot alive past today. I certainly don't want it anywhere even NEAR el-lo.

[Cabd]

Don't you dare wish that into being.

Too late, giving you more nightmares.

[Cabd]

imo this is a tactical replaceout regardless of alignment but whatever

It's 100% a rage quit that they aren't getting their way.

[Cabd]

Tammy, just do the thing.