Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

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VOTE: petapan

never telling you when im stoned again

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This needs to go. The amount of absolutely nothing you're adding is, as the kids say, whack.

So many LHF in this game darn.

drop names

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VOTE: DS

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Voting for my pocket scumread.

Nooo why do you scumread him?

The griping about RVS looked a little overdone.

for me the word was performative for sure. especially with how easily he dove into his reads with you right away after complaining about a lack of content

383 made me cock my head a lil but other than that I'm not seeing much else that pings me anymore

UNVOTE:

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I find it somewhat weird that two players choose to have a completely unrelated conversation while ignoring the rest of the thread. I suppose the fact that they BOTH choose to be like this goes against my initial thoughts though. I guess I'll look at this as NAI, but it's just a bit off ya feel?

the leap in logic here enforces my view that midway's posting since the first minute of the game has been very busy for appearance's sake

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I'm walking the dog but I'll be back. i've got a lot of townreads but nothing strongly pulling me the other way.

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I'm sorry I haven't been around, had a very rough few days that threw me way off my routine and left me in no mindset to play. I'm here for a couple hours but I probably won't be caught up until tomorrow.

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what's the point of all those questions lol

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what's the point of all those questions lol

partly curiosity, but partly because its not the way most people do readlists so maybe theres something AI to be gleaned

but like

you answered all of them yourself so I'm wondering why you hit submit

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how are they scummy to you if they need more digging though, what is it that's setting you off, what is the feeling that gives you the idea you need to look into them, give me something here

That is exactly why they need more digging.

but why them, in particular

I'm sure you can figure that out yourself.

sorry shitposters, this is by far the funniest exchange this game

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Can we get some coverage on Jake? I still feel pretty good about my vote on him. Others I'd be interested in voting include peta, cabd, and maybe Syr.

Bell's response really doesn't make me feel any better about them, but I'm not really sure what else we'd get out of it.

Syr I think just deserves a bit of pressure. Not a hard read on them by any means, but something's bugging me.
Oh, and Tammy should get some of the pressure pie. Kinda forgot about that read, but there isn't much to make me feel any better.

@ffery are saying that 950 made you go back and read these as town?

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I had a few posts quoted in different tabs from earlier catchups going days back but I just went through and closed each of them one-by-one. I guess I don't have much to say at the moment.

i've been finding it hard to lately to stay focused on analysis. Like I can stay caught up and get reading done but it's like my brain is watching it all unfold without ever catching on that it's supposed to be guessing how it all ends, and any idea I think I get about the game is fleeting

so, I'm sorry my content has been so atrocious this game. I promise you it is very much irl mental state influenced and nothing like a specific thread avoidance. I do want to stay in the game but I think I need to adjust how I approach the game for the time being instead of putting myself under all this pressure to perform to this-plist standards. once again i'm sorry for the inactive slot, I know that can be incredibly frustrating to solve around and ultimately bad for the health of the game.

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is all that explicitly outlined in the op of the neighbourhood or how much of that is deduction

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my Concern is if there are multiple traitors, and this morning I wondered if bell is a second one.

We don’t know anything about how the traitor operates here, but if they are not totally informed of each other but know their existence, then every one here is actually scumhunting which gives this the sense of a multiball game. When I said maybe our issues with finding true scum reads might be setup related it was because I was pondering this issue.

what specifically makes you think traitor rather than just scum for bell? was this something that was discussed in the pigsty or your own thoughts?

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Townblock application line is here in my circular file.. or firing squad?

If you're town, I really need to know it within 4 pages. I'm deathly afraid how things might go otherwise.

otherwise he will probably betray you!

This post raised the fuck out of my hackles. I think Tayl0r was trying to signal to the scum team.

are the mechanics of the traitor specified or implied at all? if the word traitor is used in the PT is it capitalized? what was the purpose of all that fakegod-spec earlier about traitors?

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is there reason to believe there might be a traitor and a fullscum in that group, rather than having a 4 person masonry as soon as the dethy resolves? anyone can answer but im maiy asking i guess from a 1) balance pov and 2) WWFGD

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I wonder if it would be better if the traitor could actualy report to the mafia PT what was going on.

that's just a scum neighbour

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yea i buy it's taylor out of that group but ill aait for a vc

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back in a bit

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Townblock application line is here in my circular file.. or firing squad?

If you're town, I really need to know it within 4 pages. I'm deathly afraid how things might go otherwise.

otherwise he will probably betray you!

This post raised the fuck out of my hackles. I think Tayl0r was trying to signal to the scum team.

are the mechanics of the traitor specified or implied at all? if the word traitor is used in the PT is it capitalized? what was the purpose of all that fakegod-spec earlier about traitors?

Jake mentioned the possible existence of a traitor when he thought syry was signaling Cabd I believe. Cabd said that mod meta meant fakegod didn’t use or like traitors, and we asked why and then dropped it.

thank you i couldnt remember who was involved in that discussion

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Tammy sorry if you've gone more in-depth somewhere already, but im wondering about your bell placement. from what I remember reading youve spent far more time elaborating on why bell is not town than why he is not full informed scum and I'm not sure I understand what's stopping you from scumbinning him. how set are you on the double traitor theory, or were you just wanting to put your thoughts out?

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it's been forever since I've played dethy. what does that do for the sanity solve?

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it would be cool if each of the remaining dethy people went on record that the three are 100% mod-confirmed

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lol hi jake

it would be cool if each of the remaining dethy people went on record that the three are 100% mod-confirmed

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kinda rude that i get all the shade for not being here but at least im fucking reading the game

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I wish bulge's only real game posts weren't on verifying dethy stuff.

I super appreciated the more methodical way he approached the outing yesterday, but I'd like to see something more that just verifying that what we've said is agreed upon by all of us.

I'll admit i wasn't so much investigating anything myself as making sure there was some accountability w the yaya hood

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him claiming nahdia hadn't made enough posts to be read by yesterday when I asked, but today his case is based on Nadia's posts from yesterday as if they're a smoking gun.

RED FLAG
RED FLAG

When I read it I felt like he's forcing himself to defending a bad take because he can't back out

feeling alisae a lot today

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This is probably sub optimal play, but having 5 clears out of 15 alive is better than 3 clears out of 15 alive for you.

not sure how relevant this is now but was your saying this before claiming mason some way of signalling to ffery? because i dont see how the original millerizer claim clwars anybody

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fferyllt (291)
Cabd (287)

Bell (214)

Tammy (186)

petapan (173)
midwaybear (155)
PookyTheMagicalBear (148)
SirCakez (132)
Alisae (124)

Syryana (92)

Gamma Emerald (91)

Something_Smart (90)

DiamondSentinel (75)

Tayl0r Swift (65)

Nahdia (62)

Jake The Wolfie (58)

The Bulge (24)

part of me thinks this could be worth thinking about. I think 1/2 more scum towards the bottom of the activity overview sorted by most posts, the rest upper-middle?

what led you to this conclusion?

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Congrats. You can push someone and then get even

more

reasons for pushing someone.

VOTE: DS

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oh lol i didnt see cabd's latest 2 posts

hey

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i will say im a little uncomfortable with how many poes i end up in when all anyone is saying about me is null.

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i will say im a little uncomfortable with how many poes i end up in when all anyone is saying about me is null.

That's literally what PoE is. Is it not?

poe as in limpool. seems lazy is what i am saying

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brain is mush rn

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poe as in limpool. seems lazy is what i am saying

Sure, it seems reasonable to me though unless you think it is particularly opportunistic from anyone.

yea ill look into them individually later

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Any other neighborhoods should claim immediately

Anyone with ANY type of clear on a member of the non-confirmed towns should claim immediately

Please quote this post when you have read it and confirmed neither of the above applies to you. Thanks!

flying solo

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poe as in limpool. seems lazy is what i am saying

Sure, it seems reasonable to me though unless you think it is particularly opportunistic from anyone.

yea ill look into them individually later

yea for the most part nothing is standing out to me as opportunistic necessarily, but there are couple I'm curious about

I'm probably going to have to suspend my catch up soon so I'll post what my reads are rn so I can work off the list when I start back up

conftown: cabd, jake, tammy, ffer, SS
townreads: alisae, bell
townleans: peta, pooky
unsorted: bulge, mwb
tentative scumlean: nahdia
scumreads: DS, cakez

why am I on the same tier as midwaybear?

(Alisae, Nahdia, SS, Bulge) = my death pile

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

this is why my death pool is now [alisae, nahdia, bulge]
three super demotivated players

Congrats. You can push someone and then get even

more

reasons for pushing someone.

VOTE: DS

lazy ass vote

but I also think SC's pushing of Nahdia is ringing a little sketchy at this point

why?

i will say im a little uncomfortable with how many poes i end up in when all anyone is saying about me is null.

when everyone else is townie the null becomes scum

is your solve now nahdia/bulge? are there any scumplayers putting in work? who has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

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how do you possibly have bulge and midwaybear in the same tier of reads though

Why the fuck shouldn’t I? I’m not really judging every post and then summing how I felt up, I’m just going off of what I think as I read the thread. What the hell is the reason me having those 2 in the same tier of reads is such a critical offense? Because you and Bulge seem to be insinuating that.

super defensive over such an obvious question reads like playing dumb

Cool.

BTW just gonna set up a little scavenger hunt. Anyone is welcome to try and find the thing I think is reasonably scummy from myself, but whoever finds the right thing will get special attention. Could be good or bad attention. Multiple guesses are allowed but don't abuse them.

what is this shit

Am I the only person alone in this game.

What are the odds this is a townslip vs. faked?

this is a joke, yea?

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Bulge, you seem to be scumhunting based on how players are reading you. I think that's a useful channel of info given the ease of poe-ing you. Your question to gamma is interesting. I'm curious about the answer.

Have you been able to form opinions on players outside how they're processing you?

I'm in an embarrassingly unique position right now (at the time of writing, cabd has exactly 10x my postcount) so I want to use that to my advantage before drifting too far from it. obviously this channel works best with the knowledge that I am town but hopefully some of you can tune in and see if what I'm saying makes sense.

I had a running readslist in my head all while reading up, mainly only to the extent of null, scum, or town, and I'm seeing how this all fits into how I was seeing the game d1. like, I was thinking cakez seemed town but his position on me d2 is odd so I'm reconsidering to the point where I think I'll have to get to his iso next.

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It's both annoying and reassuring that the only players who actually seem interested in sorting me proper are functionally conftown. annoying for obvious reasons, but reassuring because at least I know the town mindset here should be to either engage me or pressure me. compare how

ffery

,

Tammy

,

Alisae

, and

Cabd

have interacted with me this phase to how petapan, sircakez, gamma, etc have

ffery, tammy, jake conftown.
midwaybear free space.
cakez town. cabd likely town because all his top townreads are likely town so if scum he'd be boxing himself out. coming around on s_s town toward the end of the day. feel fairly good about gamma town as well. i'll call pooky town too even though that's one more townread than i need.

scum in {Bell, Alisae, Bulge, DS, Nahdia}

might be one of those games

peta's first post of d2, 2 pages into the phase. this post, oddly enough, bears striking similarities to Bell's latest reads which.... I don't know what to make of that

DS, what's your read on The Bulge?

now this is in response to DS questioning nahdia's irl reasons for inactivity, and ss is bringing up an inconsistency. it could however be a more subtle way to bring more attention my way without hopping on the bandwagon of PoEing me to the block. I won't write off either possibility just yet.

SOMETHING_SMART, do you have a read on me yet?

(Alisae, Nahdia, SS, Bulge) = my death pile

cakez quotes some of my posts next time he brings this list up sans ss in 2377 but doesn't give me anything to respond to or say anything of value about me at any point. thrown in at the end but why?

still waiting on SIRCAKEZ to actually answer my 2527.

fferyllt (291)
Cabd (287)

Bell (214)

Tammy (186)

petapan (173)
midwaybear (155)
PookyTheMagicalBear (148)
SirCakez (132)
Alisae (124)

Syryana (92)

Gamma Emerald (91)

Something_Smart (90)

DiamondSentinel (75)

Tayl0r Swift (65)

Nahdia (62)

Jake The Wolfie (58)

The Bulge (24)

part of me thinks this could be worth thinking about. I think 1/2 more scum towards the bottom of the activity overview sorted by most posts, the rest upper-middle?

more of what I see as potential shade from someone too scared of actually advocating for votes my way

GAMMA

when you say "the rest", how many were you picturing?

Conftown: Cabd, Jake, Tammy, FF, SS, Alisae, Pooky.
Town reads: Cakez.
LT: Gamma.
Can die pool: Bulge, Nahdia, DS, Peta.


Isn't this game already locked?

idk what to say about this post rn but like when are we yeeting bell?

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it's the last line that does it for me especially, but my immediate impression was that it could be scum getting a headstart controlling the narrative of the day, or at worst to gauge how much people would protest such a limpool

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peta's first post of d2, 2 pages into the phase. this post, oddly enough, bears striking similarities to Bell's latest reads which.... I don't know what to make of that

are you trying to claim there's a problem with me having a start of day list trying to close out the game via PoE when we had 3 conftown and several strong townreads

actually I don't think I'm making any sort of claim here one way or the other

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is your solve now nahdia/bulge? are there any scumplayers putting in work? who has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

I did not see this before.
No that's not my exact solve but I'd call you two high suspects. The POE pool here is really small and coincidentally most-all of the high activity players have been conf-towned (barring some shenanigans) by claim. I TR the posting of other active players like midway and DS so yeah I'm pretty much ending up with the low-posting players.

yes you did, you answered much in the same way as you did here right after I posted it. once again I'm seeing 3 distinct questions and 1 answer here.

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Ok and what's wrong with that answer?

broad strokes. I'm looking for direct and specific answer, yes/no if you must.

are there any scumplayers putting in work?

who, if anyone, has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

peta's first post of d2, 2 pages into the phase. this post, oddly enough, bears striking similarities to Bell's latest reads which.... I don't know what to make of that

are you trying to claim there's a problem with me having a start of day list trying to close out the game via PoE when we had 3 conftown and several strong townreads

actually I don't think I'm making any sort of claim here one way or the other

then why make that comment at all

Because I'm here, laying out my perspective, like I mentioned in 2678. should I just sit on things I'm not sure of until someone else with a better idea digs it up?

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to

be

productive. let it breathe. alisae commented on that line, you're commenting, so I'm not sure where youre coming from.

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I'll be coming back to that post a lot tonight but by the time i hit submit it was nearly 6 in the morning and I needed to go to bed.

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oh i forgot to mention I thought it was weird midway didnt wonder why he was left off of bell's readslist even though he engaged bell about other parts of it

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obviously I have doubts about everyone I mentioned, and then some. If my intention was to throw shade, what good would it do to not make any conclusions? When you're looking at my process, are you looking in iso?

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I didn't really think that matters (Bell leaving me off).

...for a good reason, I assume?

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peta's first post of d2, 2 pages into the phase. this post, oddly enough, bears striking similarities to Bell's latest reads which.... I don't know what to make of that

are you trying to claim there's a problem with me having a start of day list trying to close out the game via PoE when we had 3 conftown and several strong townreads

also this doesnt really read to me as "questioning me" so much as defending yourself in the form of a question

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...for a good reason, I assume?

Eh I don't really see how it's alignment indicative for Bell(yet) and I don't really care how he reads me.

I guess. it's still weird you didnt point it out even if it doesn't affect your read of bell. early game you were pointing out every little thing you could but i still think it's odd independent of that.

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#2679: Where'd the old Bulge go?

You usually latch unto one person, what changed here?

im playing from behind baby, I want all the smoke

[The Bulge]

obviously I have doubts about everyone I mentioned, and then some. If my intention was to throw shade, what good would it do to not make any conclusions? When you're looking at my process, are you looking in iso?

peta's first post of d2, 2 pages into the phase. this post, oddly enough, bears striking similarities to Bell's latest reads which.... I don't know what to make of that

are you trying to claim there's a problem with me having a start of day list trying to close out the game via PoE when we had 3 conftown and several strong townreads

also this doesnt really read to me as "questioning me" so much as defending yourself in the form of a question

i mean that's kind of the point of throwing shade, though, isn't it, you don't attack people too strong but this is a position where it's beneficial to scum to start instilling doubts about as many people as possible because options fr votes are severely limited. in concert with the rest of your post where you accuse people of throwing shade at you without engaging you or w/e, of course i'm gonna take that as critical toward me. and you drop the conclusion of "idk what to say about this post rn but like when are we yeeting bell?" which is a fairly fuckin gross statement given i see basically no rationale for it

trying to argue a different between "questioning" you and "defending myself in the form of a question" is just nitpicking.

do you really think I'm in any position right now to be instilling doubts?? i havent done shit of consequence this game, and I don't have any strong leads. why is my scum catchup tactic to come in and shoot a bunch of spitballs at everyone voting me? your logic doesnt make sense, and even less so if you claim to be reading my process. nobody except conftown has engaged me this phase. plenty of you, however, have expressed interest in voting me. it's the difference between trying to solve a gamestate and trying to push a gamestate. no wagon has formed on me because it would be a shit wagon. but a lot of people want everyone to know they'd be okay with it if it came to it! what's that called again when you try to covertly suggest that someone is scummy without pushing it uhhhhh

as for the bell thing, i have reasons for scumreading him outside of that singular post of his which I haven't gotten to yet. this is also something I thought was quite clear.

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*at everyone PoEing me

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trying to argue a different between "questioning" you and "defending myself in the form of a question" is just nitpicking.

it's not. my point is you ignored the context around that post and jumped to where it looked like I was shading you and you felt the need to explain yourself before any back-and-forth had actually begun.

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Bulge, you seem to be scumhunting based on how players are reading you. I think that's a useful channel of info given the ease of poe-ing you.

I'm in an embarrassingly unique position right now (at the time of writing, cabd has exactly 10x my postcount) so I want to use that to my advantage before drifting too far from it. obviously this channel works best with the knowledge that I am town but hopefully some of you can tune in and see if what I'm saying makes sense.

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how do you possibly have bulge and midwaybear in the same tier of reads though

Why the fuck shouldn’t I? I’m not really judging every post and then summing how I felt up, I’m just going off of what I think as I read the thread. What the hell is the reason me having those 2 in the same tier of reads is such a critical offense? Because you and Bulge seem to be insinuating that.

super defensive over such an obvious question reads like playing dumb

Cool.

BTW just gonna set up a little scavenger hunt. Anyone is welcome to try and find the thing I think is reasonably scummy from myself, but whoever finds the right thing will get special attention. Could be good or bad attention. Multiple guesses are allowed but don't abuse them.

what is this shit

Am I the only person alone in this game.

What are the odds this is a townslip vs. faked?

this is a joke, yea?

I don't think "grrr you shouldn't have us in the same tier" is an "obvious question", like, if y'all were both leanscum would you have pitched the same fit? I hadn't seen/recalled anything in my reading to push you two one way or the other. I think that was a half-baked distancing attempt, actually, trying to push the idea that I shouldn't equate you two in my reads.
You wanna know what the scavenger hunt is supposed to be? Take part and you might find out!
Out of the people who said they felt like they were alone (Bell, Cakez, mwb), Bell's felt the least scripted, and more like an actually expression of real feelings. I admit it could just be because Bell has been consistently pushed this game, though.

I just don't understand how you yourself posted the activity overview in-thread all formatted and everything and you don't see what's strange about putting the same single-word descriptor on our slot, ESPECIALLY unsorted, although any tier would have been unusual at the very least.

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no wagon has formed on me because it would be a shit wagon.

lmao nah

it would have been when i had 30 fucking posts

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but yea that sentence should have been in the pluperfect

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er past i did the math wrong

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I never said that wasn't a valid assumption. but the only people who know it's not me are me and the scumteam. I dont understand why youre refusing to see from my pov here. I'm not gonna explain again why im playing how i am right now. i make a handful of effort posts and you come in and attack the lack of solid accusations and conclusions in my clearly work-in-progress immersion into the game.

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peta are you going to push this in any direction or are you going to keep rebuking my points and remaining rigid in your non-read of me? I didnt finish the thought in my last post. it's like you've been waiting for me to do Something this whole game so you can finally push against something more tangible than inactivity. like your mind has been made up about what you're going to do about my slot since before I started posting last night.

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#2679: Where'd the old Bulge go?

You usually latch unto one person, what changed here?

im playing from behind baby, I want all the smoke

I’ve read all of your games on site I think. This is new, try again.

oh THAT old bulge. eh, I like to think I approach basically everything in life different from when I was 17-19. honestly you are in a better position than I am to judge whether young bulge meta holds up today, I seriously don't remember shit from my old games.

You’re almost always playing from behind, that makes no sense.

except this. I do remember this. this position I'm in is a familiar one, but not since I came back. not to this extent. and like I said, I probably just deal with things like pressure and commitment better now than I did in high school.

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lol hey

[The Bulge]

Sleep over?

tell me a scary story

[The Bulge]

I feel like that isn’t true though bulge you’ve not been super active ever from what I’ve seen. But I also don’t think you’re inactive enough to be impossible to read so I don’t think you should feel guilty about it.

I don't post a lot, and old habits die hard, but I stay caught up. the lurker's guilty conscience is what got me miselimmed a bunch in my early days. my recent bout of especially low activity was a pretty harrowing reminder of exactly what I don't want to let my play come to but I'm feeling a second wind more lately

[The Bulge]

does the parallel dimension come raining down or the spiders? are the spiders actually poisonous or are they venomous like our dimension's spiders? if we're all dead, how do we know they keep falling infinitely? or does an infinite amount fall through all in the first instant? but then I'd be asking why does it take minutes for us all to die?

your story is full of holes. I'll give you a pass for now because I know it's late and we're all hyped up on rice krispie squares and kool-aid jammers

[The Bulge]

I'll accept these edits. have your second draft in by wednesday.

[The Bulge]

Pooooooookyyyyyyyyy i'll try to have a readslist for you tomorrow

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working on it now but doubt I will finish before crashing, unless bell can spin a better yarn

[The Bulge]

Nahdia isn't here rn, be my scheherazade~

[The Bulge]

I think assigning a handful of buttons and switches to each passengerbulge we can cram into the cockpit would alleviate some of the more overwhelming parts about flying a plane. the idea is if your station beeps or blares, toggle your shit til it stops. I say we make it at least 55 realities out of 100.

as for the second perspective, I've always said drifting off into space [in a suit] would be the coolest way to go, in a very existential way, that is to say ignoring the slow painful suffocating death part.

Australia Zoo is literally my dream job, and I am actually a zookeeper so this one I feel I could get a relatively easy handle on.

you've been real floaty this game. what do you think of the discussion about you so far? how different is your typical townplay from within a townbloc vs without?

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also i'm gonna read 7 isos before posting reads so hang tight yall

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you said petapan looks good from our interactions? how is that

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I don't think there is anything damning, mind you

[The Bulge]

shit I was trying to throw you off my scent

[The Bulge]

oh it was your lover nvm then

unless you've got something for me rn I'm off to bed I think

[The Bulge]

I was talking to you but was thinking of something pooky said

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@Diamond

- what reads do you even have?

I won't further taint the game thread by reposting the atrocity held in this quote, and because I'm not talking about the content of this post but the context.

how many times this game are you going to drop all the content and stances you keep bitching and whining about not having the second anyone calls your bluff?

Cabd and SS are also masons

Yeah that was what I was talking about.

I don't believe that. I do not believe for a second that there is one pair of masons with the dethy, much less two.

I also don't believe that you guys are all four scum because that's stupid. What I

do

believe is that this is a super "fun" inside joke (or this game is secretly bastard).

I... cannot see this any way other than that ds came into the game with a scumplan to whine and whine and whine about the meta cabal, and now that they're all conftown he doesn't have any viable trajectory set up elsewhere and decides to double down.

Sure, it might be an X-shot night-kill and they saved it or our "doctor pair" blocked it, but I doubt this doctor is a thing (although I do somewhat suspect we have a doctor. I'm just waiting for a real claim).

?!??!!!!!??????????????????????

!!!???????????????????!!

???????????????????????????????????????????????

The thing is, he's aware of the mason claim but scumreads me despite it. Okay, I can buy that.

But if that's the case he needs to be scumreading S_S as well.

I don't

need

to do anything.

maaaaaaaaaaaaan
get this guy a margherita please

UNVOTE:

[The Bulge]

Tammy, I don't think that is Nahdia's concern.

Do you see something other than ds is using the faulty logic of “I can read Nahdia” when the facts prove that that’s an erroneous claim?

my issue here is less that he's falsely claiming he can read me and more the idea that 275 was a scummy throwaway post. my point is that DS' claim of being able to read me is so removed from reality that i dont think town DS would believe it. my theory is that it's just something scum!DS said as a throwaway line, and now got caught in a web of lies trying to back it up.

this theory makes a lot of sense to me as well

[The Bulge]

hey so I'm not gonna play this egocentric angle all day, but Cakez is weirding me out chasing credit for interacting with me. as I already pointed out cakez stuck with the same shitty PoE all game until SS and Alisae were confirmed. once Alisae also started calling him on it, cakez started softly pushing this weird narrative that he and I had had significant interactions before he decided I was scum. this is that "interaction", which is mostly me trying to get a straight answer out of him:

Spoiler: extent of the interactions between cakez/bulge

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

this is why my death pool is now [alisae, nahdia, bulge]
three super demotivated players

Congrats. You can push someone and then get even

more

reasons for pushing someone.

VOTE: DS

lazy ass vote

but I also think SC's pushing of Nahdia is ringing a little sketchy at this point

why?

i will say im a little uncomfortable with how many poes i end up in when all anyone is saying about me is null.

when everyone else is townie the null becomes scum

is your solve now nahdia/bulge? are there any scumplayers putting in work? who has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

That's not my whole scum pile just the people most likely to be scum imo
The POE is pretty small here...

cakez quotes some of my posts next time he brings this list up sans ss in 2377 but doesn't give me anything to respond to or say anything of value about me at any point. thrown in at the end but why?

still waiting on SIRCAKEZ to actually answer my 2527.

I did not see this before.
No that's not my exact solve but I'd call you two high suspects. The POE pool here is really small and coincidentally most-all of the high activity players have been conf-towned (barring some shenanigans) by claim. I TR the posting of other active players like midway and DS so yeah I'm pretty much ending up with the low-posting players.

yes you did, you answered much in the same way as you did here right after I posted it. once again I'm seeing 3 distinct questions and 1 answer here.

Ok and what's wrong with that answer?

broad strokes. I'm looking for direct and specific answer, yes/no if you must.

are there any scumplayers putting in work?

who, if anyone, has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

Yes, I don't think the scum team has just given up.
Randomly off the top of my head
-Bell and Nahdia made scummy catchups that I've talked about a lot
-Gamma keeps referencing some "signalling" Taylor did with me as reason to vote me and is not actually pointing to anything specific
-SS (altho conftown now) kept making excuses not to play the game instead of actually just scumhunting
-Cabd (altho conftown now) seemed to be leaning on nostalgia early in the game to avoid playing mafia

all of the conftown claims threw me off because some of my SRs were within that group

nobody except conftown has engaged me this phase.

not exactly true

Can you talk to me about Nahdia and Bulge town because I am really not seeing it

how is nahdia's recent posting scum indicative?
how is bulge recent content scum indicative?

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected
(i;e Bulge's whole "only conftown are interacting with me" thing

even though that was not true as evidenced by my discussion with him

)
I can point to more specific things hold on

why bring this up? you really think those posts constitute a "discussion"? enough to rebuke my claim that nobody was trying to figure out my alignment before pulling the trigger? try harder.

Spoiler:

obviously I have doubts about everyone I mentioned, and then some. If my intention was to throw shade, what good would it do to not make any conclusions? When you're looking at my process, are you looking in iso?

peta's first post of d2, 2 pages into the phase. this post, oddly enough, bears striking similarities to Bell's latest reads which.... I don't know what to make of that

are you trying to claim there's a problem with me having a start of day list trying to close out the game via PoE when we had 3 conftown and several strong townreads

also this doesnt really read to me as "questioning me" so much as defending yourself in the form of a question

i mean that's kind of the point of throwing shade, though, isn't it, you don't attack people too strong but this is a position where it's beneficial to scum to start instilling doubts about as many people as possible because options fr votes are severely limited. in concert with the rest of your post where you accuse people of throwing shade at you without engaging you or w/e, of course i'm gonna take that as critical toward me. and you drop the conclusion of "idk what to say about this post rn but like when are we yeeting bell?" which is a fairly fuckin gross statement given i see basically no rationale for it

trying to argue a different between "questioning" you and "defending myself in the form of a question" is just nitpicking.

do you really think I'm in any position right now to be instilling doubts?? i havent done shit of consequence this game, and I don't have any strong leads. why is my scum catchup tactic to come in and shoot a bunch of spitballs at everyone voting me? your logic doesnt make sense, and even less so if you claim to be reading my process. nobody except conftown has engaged me this phase. plenty of you, however, have expressed interest in voting me. it's the difference between trying to solve a gamestate and trying to push a gamestate. no wagon has formed on me because it would be a shit wagon. but a lot of people want everyone to know they'd be okay with it if it came to it! what's that called again when you try to covertly suggest that someone is scummy without pushing it uhhhhh

as for the bell thing, i have reasons for scumreading him outside of that singular post of his which I haven't gotten to yet. this is also something I thought was quite clear.

*at everyone PoEing me

no wagon has formed on me because it would be a shit wagon.

lmao nah

it would have been when i had 30 fucking posts

these are the kind of Bulge posts I dislike
he's doing this whole "I am being scumread/POEd for my low activity woe is me this is not fair" act and it's not logical at all.

cool misrep. show me where my posts evoke a "woe is me" mentality. not even a little bit what my angle was LMAO

Can you talk to me about Nahdia and Bulge town because I am really not seeing it

I think I am also a little confbiased on these though? Which is why I'd love input from people who TR the two

Alisae how can you call my SRs on Nahdia and Bulge terrible when literally all you can say about them is "their contributions are good"?

if people are wondering why I'm suddenly so aggressive on Bell it's because I find his posting over the last few pages obscenely scummy
his attitude seems so fake and his acknowledgement of basically making up reads also reeks

Can we do Bell please? Gamma and Bulge can wait.

this string of posts is also hilarious considering cakez sat on his scumread of me all game until conf started townreading me

[The Bulge]

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected

uh, why is that first thing scum indicative? all the conftown coming out narrowed the pool significantly, making it easier to get a footing in this game. if anything, i would say disappearing when all the conftown appear is scummier, since you would imagine scum could get discouraged when that happens.

as for the second thing i disagree with the characterization. particularly considering my only major discredit here is DS?

I get where both are coming from here but I find it hard to believe, Nahdia, that you couldn't see how that would be perceived as scum indicative over town indicative?

[The Bulge]

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected

uh, why is that first thing scum indicative? all the conftown coming out narrowed the pool significantly, making it easier to get a footing in this game. if anything, i would say disappearing when all the conftown appear is scummier, since you would imagine scum could get discouraged when that happens.

what

no that's like the exact opposite of reality and should be especially clear from your POV

look at it this way: we are in a reality where, unless you or bell are scum, virtually the entire groupscum faction went largely under the radar on day 1 and faced no serious pressure. sure, the traitor died, but up until now, whoever it is has done a very good job of keeping out of the spotlight. they have been successfully flying under the radar. suddenly half the game is claiming masons and the pool of potential votes just got very, very narrow. whoever it is can no longer afford to simply hide away, they have to suddenly appear the most town, they have to show WIM and effort, a sudden burst is likely to get viewed favorably.

why didn't you just fucking vote me in this post lmao

[The Bulge]

I tend to believe in the role of weird: where the weirder a claim is the more likely i’m to believe they wouldn’t make it up. It’s weird for Cabd to claim as a mason as scum with a scum
Partner
It’s weird for pooky to claim as a doctor with a lover when there’s a limited life expectancy attached. Which is the part I processed while skipping over the masons part in my brain.

This makes both claims believable or likely to come from town. But alisae’s and pooky’s Play are sending alarm bells down my fucking spine.

what about their play since they outed bothers you?

[The Bulge]

VOTE: sircakez

[The Bulge]

on second thought reading isos sounds like more of a night-time-when-I-know-I-won't-be-dead-in-the-morning task. I can do a little something at least before then

[The Bulge]

off the cuff

Bell has been off this game but I wonder if he would be under as much scrutiny if he were playing, say, on an anonymous alt. I did iso bell already, and I can't find a lot that points to scum. just not a lot that points to town i'm afraid. I feel like this elim will either happen or not happen eventually regardless of my stance so I'm not gonna focus on it as much as I thought I might

midwaybear. noisy. weirdly complacent about things I feel should be pinging him despite his appearance of being extremely engaged in the game.

sircakez probscum, molding his reads to whatever best suits the gamestate and general consensus on several counts.

petapan's motives are a mystery to me, but his push on me doesn't feel any kind of genuine. very much need to iso.

Gamma's catchup isn't doing anything to impress me at all and there's been a good solid handful of wtfposts. I'd wagon this.

Diamond is probably scum or detrimental townie at the very best.

I haven't been able to get a decent read on Nahdia from how I have been interacting with the thread so far.

[The Bulge]

as for the bell thing, i have reasons for scumreading him outside of that singular post of his which I haven't gotten to yet. this is also something I thought was quite clear.

and suddenly now that cabd is about the bring the hand of god on Bell it's "oh i can't find much one way or the other not gonna spend much time on it". this is pure tactical positioning

eh, I didn't have anything specific in mind when I said that. just the impression I had from my initial read.

[The Bulge]

off the cuff

Bell has been off this game but I wonder if he would be under as much scrutiny if he were playing, say, on an anonymous alt. I did iso bell already, and I can't find a lot that points to scum. just not a lot that points to town i'm afraid. I feel like this elim will either happen or not happen eventually regardless of my stance so I'm not gonna focus on it as much as I thought I might

midwaybear. noisy. weirdly complacent about things I feel should be pinging him despite his appearance of being extremely engaged in the game.

sircakez probscum, molding his reads to whatever best suits the gamestate and general consensus on several counts.

petapan's motives are a mystery to me, but his push on me doesn't feel any kind of genuine. very much need to iso.

Gamma's catchup isn't doing anything to impress me at all and there's been a good solid handful of wtfposts. I'd wagon this.

Diamond is probably scum or detrimental townie at the very best.

I haven't been able to get a decent read on Nahdia from how I have been interacting with the thread so far.

these reads are total dogshit. atrocious. he's leavin himself an opening on literally everyone. fuck this post.

why would I commit myself to not ever voting any person here in particular? did you forget half of them are scum? can you name like 3 people this game with more than 1 half-decent townread in this pool? I'm not gonna arbitrarily decide which of these people are Town just because I want my readslist to look all nice and balanced. and once again you're acting like this is my concluding post of the Day, as if I've said I'm done trying to read and sort people. I only have so much time every night to sit down at my laptop.

[The Bulge]

I can go through Bulge's big attack post on me this page but honestly it seems kind of pointless because I don't think he's gonna change his mind on this particular interaction.

lol cakez where's your spine

[The Bulge]

Aight, fine. Let's do this ISO. This ISO physically hurt me, but I'm glad that I did this instead of continuing to ignore them because jesus christ this pissed me off.

2678 - I really wanted to start sooner in the ISO than this, but there's nothing worth looking at. It's a bunch of naked votes and prod dodging all day. Anyways, not only do they not address the issue (them only bothering to interact with people when they try to read them), but they tried to handwave off his lurking. Is that considered scummoning? Who cares, this is awful.

lost me here already. who is handwaving what? what issue do you think I should have addressed and how?

2679 - "read me, but only in the ways I want". Bleugh.

not at all what I said. I said read me while I'm here. that's it. as oppose to just tossing me in a PoE.

Although actually, my problems are not with the first part. There's no analysis here, only questions and simple observations. It's a lot of "I just want to

look

like I'm being productive, but I don't

actually

want to add anything. This changes later, but whoo boy. We'll get there.

it's almost like... I can't post an entire game's worth of content all in one go... and I didn't have any strong footing in my reads in literally the first post I put an ounce of effort into this game.

2694 - Oh hey. peta pointed this out before, and Bulge responded.... Yeah. Curious nothing came of that, but I'm to blame a lot for that. Between waffling around in my own ambivalence and then just not being motivated, I ignored this.

what?

2698 - Using a passing shot to throw shade. I know that it might be hard to stomach, but not everyone cares about being on every readlist (or even how they're read). Some people make content about things aside from their own name. Anyways, this post reads eww. Surprisingly so for a post that's essentially a couple dozen words. (It appears this was

also

pointed out. Probably should have nipped this in the butt)

this is such a weird post to include lmao. how is it scummy for me to question midway about this? it has nothing to do with you, why does your opinion on how midway should or should not feel here matter? random defense of midway that adds nothing to this disaster of a post noted.

2703 - Trying to paint a question as defensive that is pretty clearly a genuine attempt at solving this game. Regardless, eww. (Also, nothing wrong with being "defensive". After all, your job in a debate is to defend your stance (among others))

you're giving me the same kind of vague disdain you give to inside jokes and meta circles. I find it hard to believe you actually think I am scum and this post does little to convince me otherwise.

2740 - Not for lack of trying, Bulge. Literally all you'd done up to this point is throwing shade at people in between bouts of lurking. Bleugh.

or maybe in between days of being busy irl? fuck off. I'm online when I'm online.

2745 - Now

this

is being defensive. "How dare you not have a read on us at this point in the game, aside from the fact that our first 30-odd posts were glorified prod dodging!" Coupled with your shade at people who scumread lurkers....

I am seriously impressed by the lengths you will go to to misrep me. seriously. I was obviously questioning why midway, who had a tonne more content than me, was being treated and categorized the same as a contentless slot

2750 page. This page is a lot of the same stuff. This is still equally telling, but I don't want to dredge through every post the same way when it's just saying the same stuff.

lmao what does this even mean I have 2 posts that page and they have absolutely nothing to do with anything you've mentioned hahahahaha

@Diamond

- what reads do you even have?

I won't further taint the game thread by reposting the atrocity held in this quote, and because I'm not talking about the content of this post but the context.

how many times this game are you going to drop all the content and stances you keep bitching and whining about not having the second anyone calls your bluff?

I have gutreads, I try to scrounge up justification for them. Nothing I've done is internally inconsistent. Please, keep bagging on me for being el-bait. Or don't. That'd be nice. Reading this same song and dance is tiring.

"I'm limbait! I'm limbait!" is not a defense.

Cabd and SS are also masons

Yeah that was what I was talking about.

I don't believe that. I do not believe for a second that there is one pair of masons with the dethy, much less two.

I also don't believe that you guys are all four scum because that's stupid. What I

do

believe is that this is a super "fun" inside joke (or this game is secretly bastard).

I... cannot see this any way other than that ds came into the game with a scumplan to whine and whine and whine about the meta cabal, and now that they're all conftown he doesn't have any viable trajectory set up elsewhere and decides to double down.

Not going to justify this with a response other than "not going to justify this with a response other than...."

HAAAAAAAA alright space cadet

Sure, it might be an X-shot night-kill and they saved it or our "doctor pair" blocked it, but I doubt this doctor is a thing (although I do somewhat suspect we have a doctor. I'm just waiting for a real claim).

?!??!!!!!??????????????????????

!!!???????????????????!!

???????????????????????????????????????????????

Oh hey. Back to the low effort shade-posting without actually adding anything! Yeet.

you lack self-awareness if you think posts like that don't shade themselves. I don't have a single thing to say that "theory" except to express my incredulity that you could be so dense.

The thing is, he's aware of the mason claim but scumreads me despite it. Okay, I can buy that.

But if that's the case he needs to be scumreading S_S as well.

I don't

need

to do anything.

maaaaaaaaaaaaan
get this guy a margherita please

UNVOTE:

Aight I'm done.
Needless to say, this post

stinks

.

that's margHerita, not margUerita.

3262 - Because, and listen

very

carefully....

You are not the center of everyone's universe. People have other things they're more interested than typing VOTE: Bulge.

except peta's post is very clearly about me. I wouldn't expect you to pick up on that, to be fair.

I, however,

will

be typing VOTE: Bulge.

I'm done. You guys can read through their posts from last night. And don't worry Cakez, I already justified this awful ISO with a response. You don't have to.

love this

[The Bulge]

midwaybear. noisy. weirdly complacent about things I feel should be pinging him despite his appearance of being extremely engaged in the game.

Well over half of my posts came within the first 3 days, so I don't think there is any illusion of engagement or "noisy". Yeah, I am complacent, but that isn't necessarily scummy tbh.

can you talk to me again about why didn't care about bell's lack of a read on you, despite the fact that he interacted with you by far more than anyone else day 1?

[The Bulge]

cakez and diamond would just absolutely love it if all I were doing in thread was whining about people voting me for being inactive huh

sadly for them, most[?] people in this game are actually reading, and are more interested in analyzing the actual real gamestate, instead of wishing my miselim push were as easy as they discussed it would be in their PT.

[The Bulge]

I will concede that peta's more recent posts do seem more genuine if a little misguided. happy to have a fan

pedit - sry to disappoint. I admit the wording could have been a little less leading.

[The Bulge]

Did I just enter a time dilation chamber or did you copy paste that

nah I like to compile all my posts and hit submit when they're done, in case I want to move things around between them for clarity's sake etc

[The Bulge]

petapan's motives are a mystery to me, but his push on me doesn't feel any kind of genuine. very much need to iso.

I was referring to what I said earlier. I didn't see anything before aside from you following your own trajectory on what you hoped would be an easy push. now I'm seeing evidence that you do believe I am scum and more importantly that you think others should be seeing it as well. compared to before where I had no evidence. it could very well still be a bad-faith scum push but I'm more inclined towards cakez and ds at this point and I don't think the whole scumteam is breathing down my neck rn

[The Bulge]

I don't really remember Bell engaging with me particularly more than anyone else D1. I thought he was over at the 2012-2013 people with all of them hard scumreading him.

Bell mingled with the usual suspects as is expected, but most of his discussion and theorizing d1 was directed at you iirc

[The Bulge]

nobody cares what I'd say anyways

what gives you that impression? before you said you wouldn't be able to change

my

mind by responding, no mention of the onlookers.

[The Bulge]

I don't think my green flip makes peta look particularly bad here on the surface tbh, so what's the deal with the "me or him" ultimatum earlier?

[The Bulge]

nobody cares what I'd say anyways

what gives you that impression? before you said you wouldn't be able to change

my

mind by responding, no mention of the onlookers.

are you seeing anyone else ask me to respond to your post?
the only person who even noticed was DS who said I was justified not responding lol

so you would engage if someone else asked?

DS also called all 4 masons scum so don't pull that card lmao

[The Bulge]

DS also called all 4 masons scum

This is incorrect.

mb, intent is not to sow misinformation. my point is DS is playing a different game and absolutely does not speak for the thread.

[The Bulge]

do we actually just hate bulge's content?
because I'm a sucker for it tbh

its bad and his response to me is basically outing

how is ti outing

you know the thing i said earlier with pooky being suspicious of me was town indicative for him (before you guys outed)

here it's the opposite. i'm going all out attack on him trying to hijack the day and get him voted. he just brushes me off as "genuine but a little misguided". it's an unnatural perspective to have when i'd have every reason as scum to push him here, and i snowed him in that marathon game with pooky. he should have every reason to be cautious when i'm baying for his blood and yet it's not there

that's a pretty big assumption. not every attack has to turn into a 1v1. why do I necessarily have to scumread you off of your push? where is this conviction coming from? is it that you know I'm wrong about you?

I don't think my green flip makes peta look particularly bad here on the surface tbh, so what's the deal with the "me or him" ultimatum earlier?

if i'm wrong on him you can kill me i don't give a fuck but between his approach toward diamond and his last series of posts i'm over the edge and want him dead

seriously what's this about tho

[The Bulge]

then the response would make more sense? it doesn't feel like he's actually been trying to read me. it gives a different vibe from the other people i've been poking at this game.

bell got very omgussy and had a list of grievances with me (and granted, he's been really weird about it at times, but still makes -more- sense to me)
cakez fielded my questions calmly but tried to ak how to read me while i was grilling him

why do you expect me to react the same as other players, especially when the two players you mentioned, you've cited as reacting differently from each other? why am I the odd one out? how exactly would expect me to react to you, and why? meta?

also because the way bulge's read on bell progressed was fucking gross

that's fair. I do wish I had worded 2740 differently, but unfortunately I worded it exactly how I did. I feel like that's really what's fueling your murder engines here

but the way he talks to bell here isn't how someone normally talks to someone they're scumreading

more of the above

[The Bulge]

Also we should decide if we want the entire elim pool to claim (ironically nobody besides the confotowns has), and if so, in what order.

tbh the possibility of more PRs hadn't even crossed my mind. that would maybe give some more direction within the pool and possibly even narrow it down.

[The Bulge]

i don't even want to vote gamma anymore today. it's bulge or bust. let me fucjking drive dad

I'm sorry

[The Bulge]

off the cuff

Bell has been off this game but I wonder if he would be under as much scrutiny if he were playing, say, on an anonymous alt. I did iso bell already, and I can't find a lot that points to scum. just not a lot that points to town i'm afraid. I feel like this elim will either happen or not happen eventually regardless of my stance so I'm not gonna focus on it as much as I thought I might

midwaybear. noisy. weirdly complacent about things I feel should be pinging him despite his appearance of being extremely engaged in the game.

sircakez probscum, molding his reads to whatever best suits the gamestate and general consensus on several counts.

petapan's motives are a mystery to me, but his push on me doesn't feel any kind of genuine. very much need to iso.

Gamma's catchup isn't doing anything to impress me at all and there's been a good solid handful of wtfposts. I'd wagon this.

Diamond is probably scum or detrimental townie at the very best.

I haven't been able to get a decent read on Nahdia from how I have been interacting with the thread so far.

Have any of these reads besides peta changed?

I don't know where cakez gets the trs from except tone. like i said i originally thought he was town until i looked deeper into the progression of his reads in relation to the general flow of the gamestate. hopefully with my flip people will actually read what I have been working on this whole day, because there's really no reason not to, knowing its from a town pov, yet people like cakez and ds are doing everything they can to discredit my analysis while simultaneously pushing for my flip. I didnt expect to win anyone over solely off the content ive alresdy produced, and Im fucking bummed that it's not looking like I'll be able to flesh anything out any further. i was having fun. but now with my alignment confirmed i hope people will take my content seriously even if im wrong about my top picks. there should be a good amount of info off this wagon, and ive already done some of the legwork.

gamma sliding to town and nahdia towards scum
don't go putting trust in my peta read
cakez scum
vig ds for the love of god
everyone else same level of nullscum. hopefully yall can sort through that, i don't see a lot of consensus in thread rn.

[The Bulge]

im townreading peta, scumreading DS, Cakez is hard because i feel he's been really uncharitable and unfair in his read of me but ive tunneled townies with that feeling before.

bell im wary of bc our last game together he snowed me so hard that i ended up accidentally killing him in the process of trying to save him and then felt like a big dummy when he flipped scum. there was some stuff with how he interacted with alisae recently that just didnt feel right to me, like it wasnt the sort of thing town would bother doing. he says he externally believes all claims to bait scum into shooting them but in the same breath talks about how wary he is of alisae's status as a clear.

uuuuhhh who'd i miss. midwaybear is still townie. gamma i need to actually read.

et moi? weird skip imo if you're mid-catchup

[The Bulge]

You're welcome petaboy.


Let's hope it's a red flip.

if i'm wrong i take responsibility

i still hate this

[The Bulge]

@Bulge claim.
+reads+town tell if you gottem.

grad student caroline scape, drunken rampage, vt

what's the big difference between bulge and new bulge to you if you can't get a read on either?

[The Bulge]

Meh I guess bears and nahdia should probably claim too because that's my shooting pool if red flip.

huh. i really thought you were compromising on me. why are you only calling for these claims?

[The Bulge]

I'll be around tomorrow afternoon

[The Bulge]

watch out for the mud puddle at the bottom nahdia!!

[The Bulge]

im townreading peta, scumreading DS, Cakez is hard because i feel he's been really uncharitable and unfair in his read of me but ive tunneled townies with that feeling before.

bell im wary of bc our last game together he snowed me so hard that i ended up accidentally killing him in the process of trying to save him and then felt like a big dummy when he flipped scum. there was some stuff with how he interacted with alisae recently that just didnt feel right to me, like it wasnt the sort of thing town would bother doing. he says he externally believes all claims to bait scum into shooting them but in the same breath talks about how wary he is of alisae's status as a clear.

uuuuhhh who'd i miss. midwaybear is still townie. gamma i need to actually read.

et moi? weird skip imo if you're mid-catchup

i was trying to hit not-recently-covered bases

surely there was more discussion in the thread than just me? you mentioned every other unconfirmed

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and since then?

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peta how serious do you think cabd is about shooting you

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that's ok, something to think about

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actually what's the reason not to

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is that a hypothetical situation in which I'm still flipping red?

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you're saying "what good does it do to consider I might be wrong", then?

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never mind that doesnt make sense. i need sleep

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counter offer:

VOTE: Nahdia

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28 hours should have just about everyone checking in. it doesnt have to be a flashwagon.

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midway wouldn't be a bad shot

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I blame pooky for my readslist

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i thought I'd do a deep read followed by a list, skipped the reading part but gave you my half-assed list instead because you asked :3

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also just wanna say I'm not looking forward to the hurt egos slandering my play while im chilling in the dead pt

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you sound like you know how im going to flip

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i doubt ill be around

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nahdia has yet to weigh in on my wagon

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also there's no world where i dont self hammer here as scum but idk if we're past that point already

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still think a day is plenty time given 150 pages of discussion and trajectory to parse

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ok

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in the wagon or in weighing in?

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what do you think of peta's push and subsequent belly-upping once i flip?

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ds what's up

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were you a good guy or a bad guy in the dream

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was everyone anime girls

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nahdia why do you think bell isnt voting me
bell why do you think nahdia isnt voting me

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Why yes, I did just wake up at 3 pm.

also same. slept 9:30am-3pm today and im considering that my Wednesday night

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nahdia why do you think bell isnt voting me
bell why do you think nahdia isnt voting me

pretend im not at e1

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nahdia why do you think bell isnt voting me
bell why do you think nahdia isnt voting me

uh, what kinda question is that?

is this your final answer?

you can do like bell and answer however you'd like, if you'd like

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don't take this the wrong way, but what's your purpose in the thread right now? why are you here?

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pce was fun playing

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VOTE: gamma

ily guys

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i wont complain about being in the pool but ill whine if im shot

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nahdia why do you think bell isnt voting me
bell why do you think nahdia isnt voting me

uh, what kinda question is that?

is this your final answer?

you can do like bell and answer however you'd like, if you'd like

i'd like you to answer me, actually. it's a really weird question. like,

really

weird.

you were the only two unconfirmeds not voting me, I would expect some line of communication between the two of you if both town. here's your ice breaker. obviously now the situation has changed and with it the question has been dodged.

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how many scum remaining are we assuming? 2? yeah fmpov, two scum just hopped aboard that flash wagon. does make me a little iffy, though pre-emptive VCA is a grave sin.

what did you look at exactly to come to this conclusion? the numbers in the first column of the vc, anywhere else?

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I don't particularly find self-preservation votes scummy because really who wouldn't, but I'm not sure how I feel about how easily and readily he jumped to gamma, when the last thing he said about gamma was the he was sliding to town, and then left.

I would much rather nahdia if that is something that can still happen, but yea what would you do in my situation if you knew you were town, and four people you also know are town vote someone you're not really sure about within a minute of each other?

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back in a bit

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VOTE: nahdia

the superior counterwagon, thank you ffery. this even goes back a touch further than the gamma blitz with bell's initial vote, and already has two unconfirmeds on it, plus i wouldnt dare claim my vote as self-preservation at this point.

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don't take this the wrong way, but what's your purpose in the thread right now? why are you here?

this was a question for nahdia btw

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That's a weird way to talk about a wagon.

picture me like an old-timey carny

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at least wait and see if anyone had any useful dreams last night before making any drastic shifts in momentum like that

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i don't see what's so scummy or ridiculous about that question. all you were doing and continue to do is check in to defend yourself ie ignore my questions and the entire wagon on you. ignoring the whole state of the game, really

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the hostility and dismissiveness came out of nowhere. you were townreading my bold questioning before you were subject to it

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claim flavour nahdia

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i don't see what's so scummy or ridiculous about that question. all you were doing and continue to do is check in to defend yourself ie ignore my questions and the entire wagon on you. ignoring the whole state of the game, really

Hmm... I guess this makes some sense when you put it like that. But the way you asked was so wild! I had no idea what you were getting at besides giving me a shovel and begging me to dig a grave.

still an easy question to answer imo whether you get where im going with it or not.

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showing emotion is not the same as appealing to emotion im seeing words like grovel tossed around pretty unfairly. i dont think any reasonable perspective of the thread would see me as pleading for my survival or whatever the implication is

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tbh ive probably done less appealing than i should

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midwaybear never hopped off my wagon?

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VOTE: midwaybear

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im town

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...for a good reason, I assume?

Eh I don't really see how it's alignment indicative for Bell(yet) and I don't really care how he reads me.

I guess. it's still weird you didnt point it out even if it doesn't affect your read of bell. early game you were pointing out every little thing you could but i still think it's odd independent of that.

how do you possibly have bulge and midwaybear in the same tier of reads though

Why the fuck shouldn’t I? I’m not really judging every post and then summing how I felt up, I’m just going off of what I think as I read the thread. What the hell is the reason me having those 2 in the same tier of reads is such a critical offense? Because you and Bulge seem to be insinuating that.

super defensive over such an obvious question reads like playing dumb

Cool.

BTW just gonna set up a little scavenger hunt. Anyone is welcome to try and find the thing I think is reasonably scummy from myself, but whoever finds the right thing will get special attention. Could be good or bad attention. Multiple guesses are allowed but don't abuse them.

what is this shit

Am I the only person alone in this game.

What are the odds this is a townslip vs. faked?

this is a joke, yea?

I don't think "grrr you shouldn't have us in the same tier" is an "obvious question", like, if y'all were both leanscum would you have pitched the same fit? I hadn't seen/recalled anything in my reading to push you two one way or the other. I think that was a half-baked distancing attempt, actually, trying to push the idea that I shouldn't equate you two in my reads.
You wanna know what the scavenger hunt is supposed to be? Take part and you might find out!
Out of the people who said they felt like they were alone (Bell, Cakez, mwb), Bell's felt the least scripted, and more like an actually expression of real feelings. I admit it could just be because Bell has been consistently pushed this game, though.

I just don't understand how you yourself posted the activity overview in-thread all formatted and everything and you don't see what's strange about putting the same single-word descriptor on our slot, ESPECIALLY unsorted, although any tier would have been unusual at the very least.

hey so I'm not gonna play this egocentric angle all day, but Cakez is weirding me out chasing credit for interacting with me. as I already pointed out cakez stuck with the same shitty PoE all game until SS and Alisae were confirmed. once Alisae also started calling him on it, cakez started softly pushing this weird narrative that he and I had had significant interactions before he decided I was scum. this is that "interaction", which is mostly me trying to get a straight answer out of him:

Spoiler: extent of the interactions between cakez/bulge

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

this is why my death pool is now [alisae, nahdia, bulge]
three super demotivated players

Congrats. You can push someone and then get even

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reasons for pushing someone.

VOTE: DS

lazy ass vote

but I also think SC's pushing of Nahdia is ringing a little sketchy at this point

why?

i will say im a little uncomfortable with how many poes i end up in when all anyone is saying about me is null.

when everyone else is townie the null becomes scum

is your solve now nahdia/bulge? are there any scumplayers putting in work? who has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

That's not my whole scum pile just the people most likely to be scum imo
The POE is pretty small here...

cakez quotes some of my posts next time he brings this list up sans ss in 2377 but doesn't give me anything to respond to or say anything of value about me at any point. thrown in at the end but why?

still waiting on SIRCAKEZ to actually answer my 2527.

I did not see this before.
No that's not my exact solve but I'd call you two high suspects. The POE pool here is really small and coincidentally most-all of the high activity players have been conf-towned (barring some shenanigans) by claim. I TR the posting of other active players like midway and DS so yeah I'm pretty much ending up with the low-posting players.

yes you did, you answered much in the same way as you did here right after I posted it. once again I'm seeing 3 distinct questions and 1 answer here.

Ok and what's wrong with that answer?

broad strokes. I'm looking for direct and specific answer, yes/no if you must.

are there any scumplayers putting in work?

who, if anyone, has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

Yes, I don't think the scum team has just given up.
Randomly off the top of my head
-Bell and Nahdia made scummy catchups that I've talked about a lot
-Gamma keeps referencing some "signalling" Taylor did with me as reason to vote me and is not actually pointing to anything specific
-SS (altho conftown now) kept making excuses not to play the game instead of actually just scumhunting
-Cabd (altho conftown now) seemed to be leaning on nostalgia early in the game to avoid playing mafia

all of the conftown claims threw me off because some of my SRs were within that group

nobody except conftown has engaged me this phase.

not exactly true

Can you talk to me about Nahdia and Bulge town because I am really not seeing it

how is nahdia's recent posting scum indicative?
how is bulge recent content scum indicative?

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected
(i;e Bulge's whole "only conftown are interacting with me" thing

even though that was not true as evidenced by my discussion with him

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I can point to more specific things hold on

why bring this up? you really think those posts constitute a "discussion"? enough to rebuke my claim that nobody was trying to figure out my alignment before pulling the trigger? try harder.

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obviously I have doubts about everyone I mentioned, and then some. If my intention was to throw shade, what good would it do to not make any conclusions? When you're looking at my process, are you looking in iso?

peta's first post of d2, 2 pages into the phase. this post, oddly enough, bears striking similarities to Bell's latest reads which.... I don't know what to make of that

are you trying to claim there's a problem with me having a start of day list trying to close out the game via PoE when we had 3 conftown and several strong townreads

also this doesnt really read to me as "questioning me" so much as defending yourself in the form of a question

i mean that's kind of the point of throwing shade, though, isn't it, you don't attack people too strong but this is a position where it's beneficial to scum to start instilling doubts about as many people as possible because options fr votes are severely limited. in concert with the rest of your post where you accuse people of throwing shade at you without engaging you or w/e, of course i'm gonna take that as critical toward me. and you drop the conclusion of "idk what to say about this post rn but like when are we yeeting bell?" which is a fairly fuckin gross statement given i see basically no rationale for it

trying to argue a different between "questioning" you and "defending myself in the form of a question" is just nitpicking.

do you really think I'm in any position right now to be instilling doubts?? i havent done shit of consequence this game, and I don't have any strong leads. why is my scum catchup tactic to come in and shoot a bunch of spitballs at everyone voting me? your logic doesnt make sense, and even less so if you claim to be reading my process. nobody except conftown has engaged me this phase. plenty of you, however, have expressed interest in voting me. it's the difference between trying to solve a gamestate and trying to push a gamestate. no wagon has formed on me because it would be a shit wagon. but a lot of people want everyone to know they'd be okay with it if it came to it! what's that called again when you try to covertly suggest that someone is scummy without pushing it uhhhhh

as for the bell thing, i have reasons for scumreading him outside of that singular post of his which I haven't gotten to yet. this is also something I thought was quite clear.

*at everyone PoEing me

no wagon has formed on me because it would be a shit wagon.

lmao nah

it would have been when i had 30 fucking posts

these are the kind of Bulge posts I dislike
he's doing this whole "I am being scumread/POEd for my low activity woe is me this is not fair" act and it's not logical at all.

cool misrep. show me where my posts evoke a "woe is me" mentality. not even a little bit what my angle was LMAO

Can you talk to me about Nahdia and Bulge town because I am really not seeing it

I think I am also a little confbiased on these though? Which is why I'd love input from people who TR the two

Alisae how can you call my SRs on Nahdia and Bulge terrible when literally all you can say about them is "their contributions are good"?

if people are wondering why I'm suddenly so aggressive on Bell it's because I find his posting over the last few pages obscenely scummy
his attitude seems so fake and his acknowledgement of basically making up reads also reeks

Can we do Bell please? Gamma and Bulge can wait.

this string of posts is also hilarious considering cakez sat on his scumread of me all game until conf started townreading me

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected

uh, why is that first thing scum indicative? all the conftown coming out narrowed the pool significantly, making it easier to get a footing in this game. if anything, i would say disappearing when all the conftown appear is scummier, since you would imagine scum could get discouraged when that happens.

as for the second thing i disagree with the characterization. particularly considering my only major discredit here is DS?

I get where both are coming from here but I find it hard to believe, Nahdia, that you couldn't see how that would be perceived as scum indicative over town indicative?

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ds what's up

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I don't usually buy post-hammer stuff in general

cakez is town

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I don't usually buy post-hammer stuff in general

cakez is town

ignore this i have to go to bed

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ds and cakez lurking