Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[SirCakez]

VOTE: midwaybear
WELCOME TO THE BALL PIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SirCakez]

VOTE: T Swizzle

I never liked her music.

you can die for this

[SirCakez]

mine

[SirCakez]

mmm this isn't a good look

VOTE: fferyllt

this isn't a good look

VOTE: Nahdia

VOTE: petapan

[SirCakez]

spicy

[SirCakez]

spicy is a scum tell dude

rlly?

[SirCakez]

spicy is a scum tell dude

rlly?

Yep super serious scum tell! Everyone who's ever used spicy has flipped scum, or that's what I was told by mafia one time.

you got me then

[SirCakez]

Hi pooky.

Eliza heard the man approach her from behind and turned towards him,

His name was at the edge of her tongue but she seemed to have forgotten it, embarrassed she asked him,

"Hello my name is Eliza, may I have the pleasure of knowing whom I am speaking with?"

Please tell me this is a PR

[SirCakez]

no im not.

Why do you lie

[SirCakez]

ego finishing higurashi chapter 5

weeb

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Cakez

VOTE: midway

defend me my knight

mmm this isn't a good look

VOTE: fferyllt

this isn't a good look

VOTE: Nahdia

this isn't a good look

VOTE: Petapan

breaking my heart here

not great response

I have three town reads already. Woo.

don't be so shy
spill the tea

Seems like this game might have more neighborhoods than usual

what makes you say that?

Townblock application line is here in my circular file.. or firing squad?

If you're town, I really need to know it within 4 pages. I'm deathly afraid how things might go otherwise.

otherwise he will probably betray you!

ping ping
really dislike this entrance (I'm sorry I love your music )

[SirCakez]

I kinda dig the RP it adds vibes

[SirCakez]

I kinda dig the RP it adds vibes

then youre scum too.

I kinda dig the RP it adds vibes

Not really. It just gives Pooky something to hide behind while he’s definitely capable of more. A successful town has everyone engaged and focused, so I think Pooky should just stop if he is town.

Nah I have my eyes wide open for that trick I've fallen for it before and won't again

Yeah, you can play the game and actually give me your initial thoughts. All you've done so far is comment on how Something_Smart has completely ignored you. Part of me thinks that's because he's just inactive, but then a bit of me thinks he also doesn't want to interact with this roleplay(probably unlikely though lol). I don't really care if you continue to roleplay, but the time to establish the narrative is over and you need to start doing things.

This is such a weird fight to pick because there are a lot of players to this point who have not done anything

[SirCakez]

VOTE: alisae

??????

cat got your tongue?

alisae did you draw scum this game

no

are you sure. if you're scum without me i'll be pissed

wouldn't you know if we both drew scum together

yeah but i didn't drw scum and it looks like you might have

im not scum bro

If you are justice
Then please do not lie
What is the price for your blind eye?

These are mostly not reads. They're sort of proto-reads - the first building blocks. There is noise in the thread, and for now I'm not trying to sort the players in the middle of those swirls.

Kinda don't like this. Sounds like an excuse not to commit to what are obviously reads, not """proto-reads""".

[SirCakez]

I'm cooking up tortellini in a light homemade cream sauce with sausage and salmon for the protein, along with some sprouts brushed with olive oil and a maple garlic seasoning rub, sauteed in butte

This sounds amazing

[SirCakez]

This is such a weird fight to pick because there are a lot of players to this point who have not done anything

Like who? I don't think the number is as big as you seem to think?

Pretty much all of the "old timer" players
Keep in mind I said to that point (pg 11ish) - more recently they have done more

[SirCakez]

May or may not be, but I dislike his asking for personal information.

Wait yeah. I'm a little unsure what Cakez was trying to do asking Pooky if he was a PR.

PR = post restriction not power role

[SirCakez]

DS kinda LHF here

[SirCakez]

DS kinda LHF here

what makes you come to that conclusion exactly

the games I've played with him before
also the fact he went against the nostalgia-y grain of the thread with his entrance makes him an easy target to pick on

[SirCakez]

not particularly, I just think he's an easy target

[SirCakez]

mine
(How does one pronounce fferyllt)

[SirCakez]

I am NOT in any sort of mood to deal with bullshit. Give a functional answer.

hmmmm no me gusta mucho
seems kinda faked

[SirCakez]

I am NOT in any sort of mood to deal with bullshit. Give a functional answer.

hmmmm no me gusta mucho
seems kinda faked

since i'm unlikely to get more from gamma now: you think so? i hadn't liked his catchup posts at all and the post before raised a flag for me with him asking if there's anything he should respond to, but i tend to take that type of emotive response to an early accusation to be town-indicative

Depends on context. The emotion looked out of nowhere and pretty unprovoked to me

[SirCakez]

so i wont have time to catch up until later tonight, but here's some content to read me on

i maintain 33 is a bad look. that kind of perspective-discerning logic always reads super ingenuine to me, and while it can come from town, i think scum are likely to throw it out because it's one of those "technically correct" points. that said, obviously there's a lot more content from that slot with which to read now, so my read may well change

didnt really get anything from peta's vote on me or the subsequent reactions, at least at first glance.

I get a sense of conviction from this post that I like.

However, it bothers me that neither you nor the other 2 players who don't like some of my early posts have directly engaged me.

mine
(How does one pronounce fferyllt)

^^ This is not direct engagement with a scumread.

It's ffer IHLT. Emphasis on the second syllable.

I answer to pretty much anything that looks vaguely like my user name.

The one thing I poked you on was not nearly strong enough for me to "engage" you on

[SirCakez]

we can argue about something else
like the economic value of low-supply high-demand yeast in the pandemic economy

[SirCakez]

But that has an opportunity cost of time of growing microbes + time of finding the land to grow grains on and/or the monetary cost of getting access to said land
Does that outweigh the convenience of grocery-store yeast?

[SirCakez]

But that has an opportunity cost of time of growing microbes + time of finding the land to grow grains on and/or the monetary cost of getting access to said land
Does that outweigh the convenience of grocery-store yeast?

If all that were involved, maybe.

Any old sack of flour contains yeast. And lactobacillus floats around in your kitchen. Water, flour, a warmish place in the kitchen, some benign neglect, and stand back, you're a microbe rancher.

Also, the bread is far superior in taste to bread made with commercial yeast.

But not everyone has the space and conditions to do this. You need certain humidity levels + certain warmth levels + levels of yeast in your air. It's not just a given that the correct microbes are in your kitchen.
This bread does taste better but it's much trickier to pull off. Your average bread baker is not gonna be able to pull this off and won't have the interest in doing so.
You could counterargue this with people are trying new things because of spare time in quarantine but that's not really holding true anymore, people have gotten apathetic and moved on.

[SirCakez]

I'm looking at this source-wise: https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/31/2119 ... self-bread
This yeast also doesn't work for many types of bread

[SirCakez]

D ^ = K ^ L^
good for economy

[SirCakez]

are we in the short run or long run here?
hmm

[SirCakez]

But that has an opportunity cost of time of growing microbes + time of finding the land to grow grains on and/or the monetary cost of getting access to said land
Does that outweigh the convenience of grocery-store yeast?

If all that were involved, maybe.

Any old sack of flour contains yeast. And lactobacillus floats around in your kitchen. Water, flour, a warmish place in the kitchen, some benign neglect, and stand back, you're a microbe rancher.

Also, the bread is far superior in taste to bread made with commercial yeast.

But not everyone has the space and conditions to do this. You need certain humidity levels + certain warmth levels + levels of yeast in your air. It's not just a given that the correct microbes are in your kitchen.
This bread does taste better but it's much trickier to pull off. Your average bread baker is not gonna be able to pull this off and won't have the interest in doing so.
You could counterargue this with people are trying new things because of spare time in quarantine but that's not really holding true anymore, people have gotten apathetic and moved on.

You don't need yeast in your air. The kinds of yeast that eat wheat are in your bag of flour. Humidity doesn't really factor in. Dampen a towel and throw it over the starter/dough. Worst case, a completely acceptable temperature can be obtained by turning the light on in your oven if it's too cold everywhere else in your kitchen. I have a friend in Nebraska who wakes up his starter with the oven light.

I guess it's a lifestyle that not everybody would want to adopt. I don't really get why someone would go to the effort of making all their own bread and yet not dabble with sourdough, though. There's plenty of decent bread on store shelves where I live. There was a time this spring when it wasn't easy to buy flour because everybody was into bread baking there for a while. I'm guessing that's when commercial yeast was scarce, too.

I will concede this point - you're right that it is not that difficult to "make" yeast if you're willing.
I was referring to last spring yeah it's not really a thing anymore. But the yeast industry is making a lot of money this year! Only a temporary short-run shock I think though, especially once covid is done.

I'm looking at this source-wise: https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/31/2119 ... self-bread
This yeast also doesn't work for many types of bread

Possibly of interest: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73915, iso me.

I am very excited by this and I also think it's hilarious that I randomly brought this up and you're actually into making bread.

Halp send help

I wanna townread cakes for a conversation about yeast

I was definitely expecting Cakez to respond to this comment.

What is there to say to this?

[SirCakez]

Omg Tammy is so town!

[SirCakez]

Tammy you know I'm weak to your persuasions
Would you abuse that as scum?

[SirCakez]

Maybe?

I guess it depends on my mood? I don’t know? Maybe not.

I’m really uncomfortable with people town reading me when I’m scum though and uncomfortable calling myself town when I’m scum because I feel like everyone can tell the difference between when I’m goofing around and meaning it as town and saying it when I’m scum because I say it when I’m town.

So, I don’t know but it doesn’t matter because I’m not scum this time!

Ok I will keep an eye out for strange uncomfortable-ness!

[SirCakez]

Maybe?

I guess it depends on my mood? I don’t know? Maybe not.

I’m really uncomfortable with people town reading me when I’m scum though and uncomfortable calling myself town when I’m scum because I feel like everyone can tell the difference between when I’m goofing around and meaning it as town and saying it when I’m scum because I say it when I’m town.

So, I don’t know but it doesn’t matter because I’m not scum this time!

Ok I will keep an eye out for strange uncomfortable-ness!

It was probably there in alisae’s game.

There was a game several years ago where Plotinus tried to solidify their town read on me by talking about how town I was a lot to see if I’d get uncomfortable and stop interacting with them. It was anon, so I didn’t it was them, so I just filed it away as wow someone thinks I’m town and I don’t think I’m thaaaat town. It was amusing when I learned what they were doing after the game.

Do you have any hot takes so far?

This will be extremely unpopular but I think Cabd could be scum

[SirCakez]

What Alisae game are you referring to? Flying scumsman? If so I don't remember much of that game, I was very confused for most of it

[SirCakez]

I don't think Nahdia is scum btw

Okay. Walk me through it?

@Sircakez, why do you think this would be unpopular?

Because Cabd is sort of "in" with a lot of the players in this game and also hasn't done anything super blatantly scummy and I don't see anyone else with this opinion

[SirCakez]

Scum Cabd has broken a lot of those player's he's 'in' withs spines as scum. The sane response is to be neutral on him when he's alone.

How do you know this? Your account is really new to the site relatively to players in this game.

[SirCakez]

ok im read up to page 19. the rest will have to wait until tomorrow.

I can't forgive you for this
VOTE: taylor

[SirCakez]

This will be extremely unpopular but I think Cabd could be scum

i mean, a lot of people

could

be scum, right now

well of course anyone could be scum
what I meant in that post was chance Cabd scum > Chance random other person scum

[SirCakez]

This will be extremely unpopular but I think Cabd could be scum

i mean, a lot of people

could

be scum, right now

well of course anyone could be scum
what I meant in that post was chance Cabd scum > Chance random other person scum

go on...

This will be extremely unpopular but I think Cabd could be scum

i mean, a lot of people

could

be scum, right now

well of course anyone could be scum
what I meant in that post was chance Cabd scum > Chance random other person scum

Why specifically

A lot of his posts give me the vibe he is trying to rely on his in-jokes and nostalgia and humor to get by rather then get down and involved scumhunting.
However I have not played with him recently (or ever before, I can't recall tbh) so I am not totally sure if this is a reliable tell or not.

[SirCakez]

like in comparison I look at ffery's ISO (another player from around the same era who has similar humor) and see that same jokey atittude (which is totally cool) but also some deeper levels of thought about the game itself

[SirCakez]

Scum Cabd has broken a lot of those player's he's 'in' withs spines as scum. The sane response is to be neutral on him when he's alone.

How do you know this? Your account is really new to the site relatively to players in this game.

Bell can you respond to this pls I am very confused

[SirCakez]

I mean the answer is fairly obvious if you do an egosearch of him. His old account predates you.

Ok so an alt gotcha

[SirCakez]

i don't know that i necessarily agree

Why not?

[SirCakez]

I'm going to elaborate a little on my 731.

Syr, Cabd and midwaybear have expectations of bell's play, somewhat informed by meta. petapan has much of the most salient meta front and center of his brain, too.

You three come to the same conclusion about Bell's alignment without openly discussing it.

I did not come to that conclusion, and at the point where Syr vocalized the meta, I went on high alert to see what happens next.

petapan happens next. Which means that he didn't reach my conclusion. But, why would he wait until the meta info hit the thread before voting if he was in the "I miss Avenger" camp?

Is this why there is a Bell wagon? Insider meta that was not really shared with the thread? Hmm ok..

[SirCakez]

I can't do it
UNVOTE:

I can't not give Bell time and pizza if we're already giving other people I don't love as much time and pizza

Ffery if we had scum!Bell and I let you talk me out of it I'm never letting you hear the end of it

Now i need a new target. Hm. Back later.

You are severely mistaken as to the deepest meaning of pizza, and I don't intend to dish out any more clarity.

This is the kind of Cabd post I don't like. Jokey but also "serious" but really pretty much useless.

You are severely mistaken as to the deepest meaning of pizza, and I don't intend to dish out any more clarity.

Frankly I don't care, deciphering morph-speak is more work than I intend to put into anything this game or any game

My point was I'm okay with not killing Bell rn, which you of course knew

I haven't townbinned Bell. I'm leaning a little in that direction, partly because I don't expect Avenger any more than I expect Assassin, and because I liked that he entertained the idea of working with me, and I liked that (it appeared) he put his guard up a little about my (actually Cabd's!) scumgame when I told the tale of the evil neighborhood.

My play's pretty different here, too. The amount of spine I'm feeling while playing on my main is promising! I hope it lasts.

Yah watching the morph heads go at it in the opening pages was fascinating and for the moment I'm okay being led around by the nose by you a bit

I dig Syr's response here

[SirCakez]

Nahdia might also be scum here. Her posting earlier felt really forced and now she's been absent for most of today. Disengaged Nahdia does not make a town Nahdia.

[SirCakez]

my feeling on jake is he's probably going to get himself yeeted at some point this game and i have no idea which way he'll flip

I specifically joined a Large game to avoid getting executed first.

Is there a reason that you're so unwilling to put in heavy lifting, then?

I fear that whatever I say will always be turned against me, even if it's the towniest thing that has ever been done before, and I'll end up as the first blood again.

I disagree with DA; I like this post for town actually.

You're right that's a horrible scum tell! About as bad as the "I'll pick back up at post #" scum tell.

Why can't it be him reading me by my reaction to his reads or him trying to gauge where my head it at to see if we're on the same page? Why can't it be two people working together?

The rest of the things you pointed out look like you're scum reading personality or play style rather than things that are actually scummy. And maybe you got fixated on the things you did because someone asked you about the group of us.

On the one hand, I kinda like it because sometimes people get squicked when they don't understand the friend dynamics and how people interact who've played a lot together and are friends in real life. On the other, I'm wondering if you realize you're reading personalities as scum rather than behavior.

@Diamond Sentinel

Tammy I think you might be kind of biased on this one

[SirCakez]

Nahdia might also be scum here. Her posting earlier felt really forced and now she's been absent for most of today. Disengaged Nahdia does not make a town Nahdia.

*their

Thank you Peta
Apologies Nahdia

[SirCakez]

Is this why there is a Bell wagon? Insider meta that was not really shared with the thread? Hmm ok..

eh not for me, mostly it was see cabd's vote, go back and look at bell's ISO to see if i can see whatever he sees, saw Bell was being super active lurker-ish so i followed the vote

I have not gotten that vibe from Bell. And Cabd's vote remains completely unexplained so not giving me any confidence there.

[SirCakez]

? How is that bias?

You seem to be very close with Cabd as a person and your defense of him mostly consists of "it's just his playstyle" when I feel like the case against him goes beyond that

[SirCakez]

SC is probly scum - he's way too sweet here.

I'd vote him but MWB still hasn't apologized for causing the death of poor Eliza yet.

What does this mean lol

[SirCakez]

but yes i am still waiting for Nahdia to give me a reason to think they're town

Is this why there is a Bell wagon? Insider meta that was not really shared with the thread? Hmm ok..

eh not for me, mostly it was see cabd's vote, go back and look at bell's ISO to see if i can see whatever he sees, saw Bell was being super active lurker-ish so i followed the vote

I have not gotten that vibe from Bell. And Cabd's vote remains completely unexplained so not giving me any confidence there.

i did but i'm not going to iso-dive for you on a read i no longer have conviction in

Is this why there is a Bell wagon? Insider meta that was not really shared with the thread? Hmm ok..

eh not for me, mostly it was see cabd's vote, go back and look at bell's ISO to see if i can see whatever he sees, saw Bell was being super active lurker-ish so i followed the vote

I have not gotten that vibe from Bell. And Cabd's vote remains completely unexplained so not giving me any confidence there.

the explanation is in 817, which i predict you will not like

mmm ok
Your predication was right, I'm honestly baffled a wagon has formed off of this.

[SirCakez]

What does this mean lol

my imaginary vote is on you but my real vote is on MWB for calling me LHF.

No what does it mean that I'm too sweet

[SirCakez]

I've only declared like three townreads?

[SirCakez]

I need translators for Pooky and Cabd

[SirCakez]

? How is that bias?

You seem to be very close with Cabd as a person and your defense of him mostly consists of "it's just his playstyle" when I feel like the case against him goes beyond that

Yeah Cabd's a friend in real life, but that's not the issue. How is it any different than the reasoning you used to defend Diamond Sentinel earlier? When you know someone is getting attacked for their play style and not for something actually scummy don't you point it out?

What points of Diamond Sentinel's are not just play style or personality? And what part isn't weird narrative building?

(Note: I don't have a developed town read on Cabd, nor do I really have a scum read on Diamond Sentinel.)

My main point of defense on DS earlier was that he was trying to make the game serious while people were still having fun nostalgia-ing and people were using that to attack him. Not his playstyle although that was a part.
I have not dug into DS's case but I think his point that Cabd is looking for approval and validation holds water. What would you call weird narrative building?

[SirCakez]

I need translators for Pooky and Cabd

how many surface level townreads do you have to give out for them to look fake af? I'm not writing a phd thesis here

You said I'm "handing them out like candy" which implies a lot. Which I obviously have not done.
Surface-level whatever I can see how you'd see that.

[SirCakez]

What does this mean lol

my imaginary vote is on you but my real vote is on MWB for calling me LHF.

well actually not me but Eliza.

Poor Eliza she was so young.

My joke about translation was referring to these btw

[SirCakez]

My main point of defense on DS earlier was that he was trying to make the game serious while people were still having fun nostalgia-ing and people were using that to attack him. Not his playstyle although that was a part.
I have not dug into DS's case but I think his point that Cabd is looking for approval and validation holds water. What would you call weird narrative building?

why did you even feel the need to defend him?

because I felt bad for him tbh

[SirCakez]

You said I'm "handing them out like candy" which implies a lot. Which I obviously have not done.
Surface-level whatever I can see how you'd see that.

I didn't read your whole ISO buddy, just saw what you were doing on the page and responded to it. 3 townreads, 30 townreads, ain't much difference to me when its surface level buddying.

How is me saying I like two posts buddying

because I felt bad for him tbh

what did you think was gonna happen? some rabid nostalgia mob was gonna string him up for being a party pooper?

*Shrug*

[SirCakez]

How is me saying I like two posts buddying

People like it when people like their posts.

That's the whole point of a "like" button

which btw is one of the most damaging inventions of modern human history. just imagine how much time was wasting by the collective mass of humanity over the last 10 years clicking meaningless likes to give each other little dopamine hits. It's like collective mass addiction.

Ok I've literally never heard this argument before despite years of liking posts but ok

[SirCakez]

Nahdia might also be scum here. Her posting earlier felt really forced and now she's been absent for most of today. Disengaged Nahdia does not make a town Nahdia.

But why does it make a scum Nahdia? That's a pretty faulty bit of logic imo.

Because they are forcing appearances

[SirCakez]

Ok I've literally never heard this argument before despite years of liking posts but ok

You've never seen scum buddying people before?

This is just moving the goalposts

[SirCakez]

My main point of defense on DS earlier was that he was trying to make the game serious while people were still having fun nostalgia-ing and people were using that to attack him. Not his playstyle although that was a part.
I have not dug into DS's case but I think his point that Cabd is looking for approval and validation holds water. What would you call weird narrative building?

Same kinda thing, yeah.

I don't think Cabd was looking for approval or validation, certainly not from me, and I don't think he would regardless of his alignment. What I think was going on was him trying to drag me into the game. If he's town perhaps he wanted to see where my head was at and get a read on me. If he's scum he wanted to see where my head was at or look like he was trying to get a read on me.

The weird narrative building is the whole reasoning he came up with for why cabd was doing what he was doing while painting it in the worst possible light. I don't necessarily think it's coming from scum; it's entirely possible that it's a style of scumhunting that I neither agree with or understand really, nor am I confident in its accuracy. But I don't think it's unproductive to try to get him to dig a bit deeper in order to get a better read there.

Where do you see Cabd looking for approval and validation?

You think Cabd's playstyle was specifically to get you involved?
The whole thing where he was so hesitant to reveal the reasoning for the Bell SR despite being convicted about it reeked for one. Also like I've said some of his humourous posting (like the one I quoted on pg 36) seems to be trying to look good.

[SirCakez]

This is just moving the goalposts

liking and buddying basically the same thing

I'm not arguing about this anymore

[SirCakez]

so i wont have time to catch up until later tonight, but here's some content to read me on

i maintain 33 is a bad look. that kind of perspective-discerning logic always reads super ingenuine to me, and while it can come from town, i think scum are likely to throw it out because it's one of those "technically correct" points. that said, obviously there's a lot more content from that slot with which to read now, so my read may well change

didnt really get anything from peta's vote on me or the subsequent reactions, at least at first glance.

I'm not fond of that type of pizza.

Noted!

Now. Why me before Syr?

You're scarier. And you're around! I feel like I'll know pretty quickly if Syr's town. He and I have some of the same weaknesses as scum, especially interacting with each other.

This post stands out to me. Are you holding your cards close to your chest here until you get a read or would you care to elaborate?

VOTE: Alisae
bad push tbh

was liking midway but this post just... doesn't make sense in context. not sure what to make of it, but @midway i wanna know more about what was going through your head when you voted alisae here.

I don't get the point and I don't see the problem yet. I really doubt scum!Jake is going to come out of the game posting votecounts instead of trying to form connections with other people.

your defense of your partner is noted

am I doing it right peta?

this is also a bad look. feels very much like a post i would make as scum, though if people disagree that it's a generally scummy post i might just be projecting a bit too much. feedback welcome.

glad to see peta's "obvious townread" was the one i also felt was obvious (midwaybear)! unless he got bear town after he made that earlier post about having one townread which was obvious.

kinda liked 216. alisae is slightly leaning town at this point.

and now im at page 10!

Gamma I'm mainly going off these two posts. Seem very half-hearted (Nahdia admitted to this) and kind of reminds me of catch-ups I used to post as scum

[SirCakez]

You think Cabd's playstyle was specifically to get you involved?
The whole thing where he was so hesitant to reveal the reasoning for the Bell SR despite being convicted about it reeked for one. Also like I've said some of his humourous posting (like the one I quoted on pg 36) seems to be trying to look good.

No. I was positing the possible why's that I think was more plausible for why he asked me specifically what I thought of his reads. I don't think he was seeking approval or validation. I do think he was trying to get a read on me if he didn't have a read already.

I think the other things that DS pointed out were play style/personality.

Oh I see you were referring to DS's case specifically
What do you think about my more general argument that Cabd is using his playstyle and humor to avoid posting more serious content?

[SirCakez]

I don't know how to approach the relationship between this group Tammy which is kind of what I was getting at with the bias thing - I feel like you guys want to townread each other because you're all friends.

[SirCakez]

so i wont have time to catch up until later tonight, but here's some content to read me on

i maintain 33 is a bad look. that kind of perspective-discerning logic always reads super ingenuine to me, and while it can come from town, i think scum are likely to throw it out because it's one of those "technically correct" points. that said, obviously there's a lot more content from that slot with which to read now, so my read may well change

didnt really get anything from peta's vote on me or the subsequent reactions, at least at first glance.

I'm not fond of that type of pizza.

Noted!

Now. Why me before Syr?

You're scarier. And you're around! I feel like I'll know pretty quickly if Syr's town. He and I have some of the same weaknesses as scum, especially interacting with each other.

This post stands out to me. Are you holding your cards close to your chest here until you get a read or would you care to elaborate?

VOTE: Alisae
bad push tbh

was liking midway but this post just... doesn't make sense in context. not sure what to make of it, but @midway i wanna know more about what was going through your head when you voted alisae here.

I don't get the point and I don't see the problem yet. I really doubt scum!Jake is going to come out of the game posting votecounts instead of trying to form connections with other people.

your defense of your partner is noted

am I doing it right peta?

this is also a bad look. feels very much like a post i would make as scum, though if people disagree that it's a generally scummy post i might just be projecting a bit too much. feedback welcome.

glad to see peta's "obvious townread" was the one i also felt was obvious (midwaybear)! unless he got bear town after he made that earlier post about having one townread which was obvious.

kinda liked 216. alisae is slightly leaning town at this point.

and now im at page 10!

Gamma I'm mainly going off these two posts. Seem very half-hearted (Nahdia admitted to this) and kind of reminds me of catch-ups I used to post as scum

You know what, I actually see it now. She seems to want to be townread for minimal solving.
VOTE: Nahdia

How are you gonna SR for my push on Nahdia and change your mind this easily?

Seem very half-hearted (Nahdia admitted to this)

isn't admission of fault usually towny?

Depends. Not in this case imo.

[SirCakez]

Not in this case imo.

Go on?

Nahdia is aware of the effect of their "admission of fault"

[SirCakez]

The effect seems to be to get people such as you to suspect them. You think Nahdia did it as a tactic to... get scumread?

But you literally just said you think it's a townie thing to do...

[SirCakez]

But you literally just said you think it's a townie thing to do...

It is. It's towny because most people don't see it as towny.

So WIFOM

[SirCakez]

Well I just found the argument(calling out Tammy for being self conscious about her reads) hard to believe for myself. Like I didn't really get how one could see that as scum trying to go under the radar early, but I guess I might be able to see it(still don't believe in it though).
Ok, the joke about petapan I can somewhat see though. I have similar grips sometimes, and it was a big reason I was scumreading pooky for roleplay.
Also, I really like Gamma for town from 553. I feel like it would be easy for him to stop by just saying "OMG Tammy is so town"(like Cakez), but him going beyond that and outing a serious townread on her is pretty townie to me. So basically, I don't really agree with any of peta's scumreads this game rip.

This was a joke fyi

[SirCakez]

I meta'd him recently. I feel like he's doing these game-health-maintenance posts and from the meta that's more of a town thing with him. He feels relaxed and sort of floating above the game in some ways. He sticks more of an oar in as scum.

And mine isn't this one~

Your tell is probably something like "in every prime numbered game SS plays in he uses a different posting style as town than usual"

[SirCakez]

ok ive read to the top of 32. ill try to finish catching up tomorrow.

Taylor is definitely scum this catch-up is the most surface level and pointless thing I've ever seen

Low-Hanging Fruit doesn’t mean town. Nice straw man.

What is even the point of this argument

I'm sorry I haven't been around, had a very rough few days that threw me way off my routine and left me in no mindset to play. I'm here for a couple hours but I probably won't be caught up until tomorrow.

I forgot Bulge was in the game tbh

I think you would probly be better served if you just read the last 2 pages and play rather than continuing the futile task of keeping up with the greatest team of shitposters ever assembled.

no i will do it! i have to! plus the thread has been fun to read, its just a lot. although ive gotta say reading through it so far hasnt given me a lot of confident scum reads. even my town reads are a bit eh, and im a bit disappointed in myself.

kinda wanna townread taylor for this since it's basically exactly how i feel at this point

Taylor probably asked Nahdia for backup in the scum chat LOL
(scum usually have day talk in FG games ya?)

[SirCakez]

cakez why are you telling such nasty lies about me

I knew you were trouble when you walked in

[SirCakez]

At some point, the nightmares that are waking

me

up in the middle of the night are going to hit this thread and the implosion will be spectacular.

For now, I'm white-knuckling it and trying to sort some shit on my own.

Hope these go away ffery! Sleep problems are the worst

Looking at Nahdia’x personAl rant make me feel a lot less sure of my scumread on them

this...

I think this Taylor wagon should get farther along than it is.
Something_Smart is feeling a lot more absent than usual.

[SirCakez]

Something_Smart is feeling a lot more absent than usual.

Am I though

Are you? I can't tell.

[SirCakez]

I think this is within normal range for how absent I am.

someone talk to me!

[SirCakez]

I think this is within normal range for how absent I am.

someone talk to me!

I forgot to respond to this quote
SS you just feel v disengaged here. Would you disagree?

[SirCakez]

{Something_Smart, Midway, Ffery}
{Tammy, Cake, Syr}
{Alisae, Petapan}
{Gamma, Nahdia}
~~~Line of How low Can You Limbo?~~~
{Diamond, Bell, Taylor}
~~~Line of Enough Data (I don't know where to place this players yet)~~~
{Bulge, Pookey}
{Jake*}


*To be meta'd, I know syr mentioned having done some research but I need to fact check.

Excluding Bell, what are your adjustments here if you gun-to-head?

what happened to your dream SR on Bell?

[SirCakez]

The players in this game are just good; the scum won't be obvious.

[SirCakez]

tammy i wish you had more thoughts on this game and not on old games

Me too!

dammit we crossposted and then my browser went out and I lost my post.

It wasn't anything great, but it is apropos to this post so I'll just rewrite it as a reply.

I've got some free time today so I'll actually be able to read this game mostly undistracted and not while also trying to work. Before my actual read, I've got working town reads on midwaybear, ffery, cabd, sryry. I don't even know why on midwaybear though; I just remember liking this posts.

I was looking at the playerlist last night and I realized that I don't actually have active suspicions on anyone*. Some pings here and there which has me wondering if it's setup related or if scum are in the people that I just haven't seen posting much? I don't know; hopefully a reread fixes that.

Although! If you're vote on me was serious, it's wrong, but I think you'll realize that once I have some thoughts on the game after actually reading it. I hope. I hope I have thoughts.

well the process was raelizing i don't actually remember anything about how you play, which made me realize i didn't remember anything you've done this game, which led me to read back on you and realize i don't townread you and i'm not sure why anyone does. i didn't have any serious intentions of attempting to wagon you (i was going giving you and diamondsentinel the "first game off a hiatus" d1 pass regardless of my read), but felt the need to express that read in a visible fashion

lowkey feeling this
my last game with Tammy she felt a lot more "actively town"
if that makes sense

Bell vote Taylor with me

[SirCakez]

hahaha tbh I only read the parts on mine and Taylor and that was enough

[SirCakez]

major respect to ffery and Petapan for actually responding to everything in Bell's catchup

Can we plz wagon him now ... ^
I really dont think he's this bad

"i'm scum and don't want to effort"

There haven’t been that many times I’ve seen town make a catch-up post like that. The format itself whether it’s by player or page automatically pings me. It’s made worse when there are so many unnecessary comments or comments that don’t add anything, which makes it look like padding.

yeah it reeks of catchups I used to make as scum. it's not really helpful but it looks good on the surface.

[SirCakez]

my last game with Tammy she felt a lot more "actively town"

I was scum in our last game together

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i did say i didn't remember it very well

[SirCakez]

Sigh, here we go again. Well, here we go. Have you ever played a large theme or how many large themed games have you played? Have you ever done this gambit as scum. Have you ever seen scum do this gambit. Have you ever thought to yourself "boy it would sure be neat if I faked not knowing whether there was day chat or not as scum!" Have you ever thought about the poor townsfolk that have to WIFOM themselves to death when you do dis? Oh well. Re Bulge: Not same.

idk I was trying to go on the safe side because I have scumslipped as town before (which consequently lost town the game) so ya

[SirCakez]

1464 jfc

[SirCakez]

It's impressive tho that Cakez is now quoting from an entirely different game. I don't think I've seen this play before.

I DONT KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED

[SirCakez]

What would you like to talk about?

I mean, if I knew, I'd be talking about it :/

The meta discussions are alienating. People seem to be by and large going with the flow and not really doing anything that stands out. And like I'm sure there IS readable content in there but I don't have the skill nor the patience to extract it.

This is what that quote was supposed to be
"I'm scum and don't want to effort"

[SirCakez]

Specifically, I don't want to effort when I know it won't accomplish anything worthwhile.

How can you assume this

[SirCakez]

no like i went over your whole catchup, and our whole argument, and that stuff didn't feel genuine? there was never a moment where i had the feeling of "i can see where you're coming from". and you got all squirrely with your responses like trying to explain was uncomfortable.

was me voting you really enough to completely change your opinion of me again? (i'm not sure wtf you were expecting the outcome there to be)


w/e this is going to fly over the heads of 90% of the players and they're just not going to read this

ftr I read this and I understand your argument here

How can you assume this

Because when I force reads they come out hot garbage. Speaking from experience.

ok but you don't even need to force reads. you're just not even trying to engage. except for this interaction with me which I basically forced.

do you feel like youre good at reading, bell?

the scumlord returns with another thought provoking post

[SirCakez]

YES JOIN ME TAYLOR MUST DIE

[SirCakez]

the excuses that the 2012 people are hard to mesh with are so bs
they make up ~half the game and it's really easy to read past the in-jokes and engage
I have had literally no problems with this

[SirCakez]

Ok Listen up!

This game has a dethy in it: A neighborhood with 4 town cops of unknown sanity, one each of {naive, paranoid, insane, and sane} And a scum traitor rolecop.

We were going to see how today plays out and try to solve the dethy on our own. But, we're extremely sure who the traitor is and we want our fuckin masonry now.

The dethy is Tammy, Syryana, Jake, Tayl0r and myself.

I crumbed the dethy in my second post.

We want to elim Tayl0r.

Will you help?

eyyyyyyyyyyyy

[SirCakez]

this is so cut and dry I dig it

[SirCakez]

not seeing the jake!scum case over Taylor scum

[SirCakez]

1606 is terrible

[SirCakez]

Taylor can't explain herself because she's scum lol

[SirCakez]

it's hard being lonely

[SirCakez]

mine

[SirCakez]

That was probably intentional.

i can actually see taylor doing that because she's a massive shitposting troll

i find it less likely she does it when she's an actual traitor

y'all need to shut up, I was obviously trying to get Tayl0r to clarify without letting her know what I was looking for.

Okay Tayl0r if it wasn't an accident why did you do it then?

a) its fun
b) to ideally create some mud to make scums lives harder

this is some straight bs lol

[SirCakez]

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?

[SirCakez]

dammit lol

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

let's just hammer and move on

[SirCakez]

imo this is a tactical replaceout regardless of alignment but whatever

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

Tammy, Jake, peta, DS, Alisae, Pooky, Bell, Nahdia, Bulge

2 of you vote Taylor so we can move on

[SirCakez]

i'm not even in the 2012 cohort and I found Taylor extremely scummy
i don't think this was some ridiculous bias thing

[SirCakez]

E-1

[SirCakez]

======[]

i was trying to post this art earlier thx

[SirCakez]

all scum on me

[SirCakez]

I cannot describe the sense of justice I felt when Taylor flipped red

VOTE: something smart
Anyways...let's go here

[SirCakez]

(Alisae, Nahdia, SS, Bulge) = my death pile

[SirCakez]

I cannot describe the sense of justice I felt when Taylor flipped red

VOTE: something smart
Anyways...let's go here

Well....
'splain it

I talked about it yesterday but basically SS' disengagement feels scum-motivated

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Something_Smart is feeling a lot more absent than usual.

Am I though

I think this is within normal range for how absent I am.

Do you have any reads yet?

no

there is way too much discussion that is orthogonal to anything I want to talk about.

Do you thread avoid as scum?

Sometimes.

What would you like to talk about?

I mean, if I knew, I'd be talking about it :/

The meta discussions are alienating. People seem to be by and large going with the flow and not really doing anything that stands out. And like I'm sure there IS readable content in there but I don't have the skill nor the patience to extract it.

"I'm town and don't want to effort"

FTFY

Specifically, I don't want to effort when I know it won't accomplish anything worthwhile.

How can you assume this

Because when I force reads they come out hot garbage. Speaking from experience.

Are you thinking to kinda sit out day 1?

Ideally no. I just need to find something to engage with.

If there's anything you want to hear my opinion on, I'll definitely try to see what I can come up with (though I can't guarantee it won't be "that's NAI").

@ds look at these posts.

[SirCakez]

I'm glad Jake is conftown now I had no clue how to read that

[SirCakez]

I talked about it yesterday but basically SS' disengagement feels scum-motivated

How is disengagement motivated? It's a feeling, not a choice...

It would be faked in this case

I think that the level of EFFORT put into those reads is consistent with the strides I've come to expect.

Town S_S brings a jovial nature to his play that I don't think he can emulate quite as well as scum, even now.

I don't know that I'm confident assigning alignment indicative points either direction for the layout being a copy paste. Maaaaaaybe a townpoint or two on the scale of coupons worth 1/1000th of a cent.

What would you describe as jovial from SS?

[SirCakez]

Weird ass setup is indeed a way to describe Shadowrun Mafia..

[SirCakez]

It would be faked in this case

OK. So why is it faked and not real?

Because you don't even seem to be trying just making excuses

[SirCakez]

Trying to do what?

Trying to play the game

It would be faked in this case

OK. So why is it faked and not real?

Because you don't even seem to be trying just making excuses

My dude, we have a confirmed townie who literally is here to shoot the shit and not to play the mafia aspect of the game.

I don't understand what you're getting at here?

let's kill cabd
VOTE: cabd

Ye let's do this

[SirCakez]

I have not changed my avatar in five years on site
U guys have to deal with my wrong-facing ways

[SirCakez]

i can't tell which way your avatar is facing tho

the hair hides the eyes

left aka not towards the post

I don't understand what you're getting at here?

Yes.

No.

I have not changed my avatar in five years on site
U guys have to deal with my wrong-facing ways

ur not changing ur ur just flipping it so it faces the other way

That's too far
It will look so wrong

Trying to play the game

This is uh not a very helpful answer. I'm playing the game. I can't NOT be playing the game, unless I, you know, replaced out.

I feel like you know what I mean and are playing obtuse

Taylor could have signalled to Cakez but this isn't something im super confident in?

what is this referring to?

[SirCakez]

I see all the masons going first although I agree the claim seems trust worthy

[SirCakez]

ffery why not SS?
What is list of three?

[SirCakez]

ffery why not SS?
What is list of three?

I'm townreading s_s by my own crude meta and my in-this-game analysis. Cabd says he has a 100% meta tell he'll burn if I make him, but I'm not going to make him. I'm pretty sure there's a built-in 5+ count nay-vote there.

mmm ok I will sheep you guys on this for now

ffery why not SS?
What is list of three?

That's what Cabd asked for. We're gonna see if a Xenogears style gamesolve works here, given how many confirmed town we have.

Cabd do you remember whose ISO would have the list in that game?

ok so basically everyone picks three townies?

changing my vote due to said sheeping
VOTE: Alisae

[SirCakez]

ffery why not SS?
What is list of three?

I'm townreading s_s by my own crude meta and my in-this-game analysis. Cabd says he has a 100% meta tell he'll burn if I make him, but I'm not going to make him. I'm pretty sure there's a built-in 5+ count nay-vote there.

mmm ok I will sheep you guys on this for now

ffery why not SS?
What is list of three?

That's what Cabd asked for. We're gonna see if a Xenogears style gamesolve works here, given how many confirmed town we have.

Cabd do you remember whose ISO would have the list in that game?

ok so basically everyone picks three townies?

changing my vote due to said sheeping
VOTE: Alisae

If you disagree with my picks I really want to hear about it. Cabd's pushing it on me to make the call, but my playstyle is all about consensus-building, so.

I think your picks are ok.

[SirCakez]

ffery why not SS?
What is list of three?

I'm townreading s_s by my own crude meta and my in-this-game analysis. Cabd says he has a 100% meta tell he'll burn if I make him, but I'm not going to make him. I'm pretty sure there's a built-in 5+ count nay-vote there.

mmm ok I will sheep you guys on this for now

ffery why not SS?
What is list of three?

That's what Cabd asked for. We're gonna see if a Xenogears style gamesolve works here, given how many confirmed town we have.

Cabd do you remember whose ISO would have the list in that game?

ok so basically everyone picks three townies?

changing my vote due to said sheeping
VOTE: Alisae

If you disagree with my picks I really want to hear about it. Cabd's pushing it on me to make the call, but my playstyle is all about consensus-building, so.

I think your picks are ok.

I'd like to understand your Alisae read better than I do right now.

It's a lot of POE + other people are way townier + none of their content seems very town-motivated

[SirCakez]

Basically like my SS and Nahdia SRs

[SirCakez]

I believe Cabd's claim but also this game seems wayyyyy too town-sided if it's real no?

[SirCakez]

Nah. For death.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS

none of their content seems very town-motivated

???

why the ???

none of their content seems very town-motivated

???

what is this "signal" you keep referring to?

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

I think we live in a demotivated scum world

this is why my death pool is now [alisae, nahdia, bulge]
three super demotivated players

Congrats. You can push someone and then get even

more

reasons for pushing someone.

VOTE: DS

lazy ass vote

but I also think SC's pushing of Nahdia is ringing a little sketchy at this point

why?

i will say im a little uncomfortable with how many poes i end up in when all anyone is saying about me is null.

when everyone else is townie the null becomes scum

[SirCakez]

why should me and Cakez have similar conclusions? Also I know you said you townread me earlier, are you stating you think Cakez is sus?

I think Taylor could have signaled to cakez ya

third quote was supposed to be this

[SirCakez]

this is why my death pool is now [alisae, nahdia, bulge]
three super demotivated players

I believe the implication was that the demotivation was recent, though, and these three have been low-effort since forever.

why not the whole game tho?

[SirCakez]

You ??? at me saying your content doesn't seem very town motivated
Like what's ??? about that

[SirCakez]

mmmm they could all be real since lovers??

[SirCakez]

Is this game bastard??

[SirCakez]

There's no way we can have alignment changes post game start right?

Not in a normal game

Seems like this game might have more neighborhoods than usual

what makes you say that?

Townblock application line is here in my circular file.. or firing squad?

If you're town, I really need to know it within 4 pages. I'm deathly afraid how things might go otherwise.

otherwise he will probably betray you!

ping ping
really dislike this entrance (I'm sorry I love your music )

so what was this about

I thought Taylor was scummy? What do you think it means?

UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

I thought Taylor was scummy? What do you think it means?

what about those posts was scummy

Seemed like she was trying to sow paranoia from the start

[SirCakez]

actually one last quick note: DS's reads this game lack nuance

What about Cakez? They seem similar except for Cakez actually being right on one of his reads.

I never go very in depth on my reads this is my playstyle

[SirCakez]

yeah I'm not 100% accurate who is
but I was right about Taylor and now it's looking likely Nahdia is scum for similar reasons

[SirCakez]

Gamma you keep saying and saying that my Taylor interactions point to me being scum
But you can't actually point to anything specific???

[SirCakez]

That's not my whole scum pile just the people most likely to be scum imo
The POE is pretty small here...

[SirCakez]

i would assume scum have roleblocker?

[SirCakez]

i would assume scum have roleblocker?

Why?

because of the massive amount of active town PRs
the four cops + two claimed docs + your neighborizer thing

[SirCakez]

and the vig

[SirCakez]

your neighborizer thing

?

didn't someone claim neighborzier-millerizer?
or was that a joke?

[SirCakez]

I uh... I think there might not be that many more hoods, given the lack of response to you so far, ffery.

is it time for us to solve your hood too?

It would have been if Taylor's launch into space hadn't been the imposter.

Discuss, please.

I can, but it will have MAJOR negative utility if done so.

Are you okay with that?

If you can explain what Tayl0rs launch into space does for the solving urgency of your hood without major negative utility I'd like to hear that, but I can live.

Just know that I'm getting uncomfortable about ~stuff~.

You know what?

I don't want us to have to live in a universe where we game solve today while you distrust me.

I'm just gonna put out what I've got.

I'm a miller that compulsive neighborize-millerizes. I pick my target at day's start. I REALLY hoped your masonry picked up on the day one attempts to convey this to you and syr. That's why I didn't want you checking me or my ilk at first. That said, knowing there's a miller in the game, well, two of them, anyways, now.. That means the deathy can calibrate and come into day three with sanity mostly solved.

What is this then???

[SirCakez]

yeah I'm not 100% accurate who is
but I was right about Taylor and now it's looking likely Nahdia is scum for similar reasons

is nahdia trying to sow paranoia?

I meant more generally, not that specific post assessment.

Are you current cakez?

What do you mean?

[SirCakez]

Is it the mason-lover-doctor one? Yeah

[SirCakez]

for some reason I was thinking the neighborizer one was still valid...

[SirCakez]

I have a lot of shit going on and I don't read as closely as I should. This is established yes.
Like I've said before, I scum slipped as town once.

[SirCakez]

I have no idea how that other game quote got there

[SirCakez]

The part about 1435 was in reference to Bell's catchup

[SirCakez]

Peta, what was YOUR point in that quote wall?

cakez is talking to bell and telling him to vote taylor with him, saying he only read the sections pertaining to him and taylor, and then on the same page just a few posts later agreeing with tammy that "it reeks of catchups I used to make as scum"

Yeah because what I read was enough. I opened a few more tabs, enough to justify it was all the same skimmy stuff.

[SirCakez]

yeah my Taylor SR was way stronger
I'd take voting with a weaker SR on a stronger SR

[SirCakez]

and not much else has really pinged me from Bell iirc

[SirCakez]

yeah my Taylor SR was way stronger
I'd take voting with a weaker SR on a stronger SR

and not much else has really pinged me from Bell iirc

but you read the taylor part of his catchup and felt it was fine enough to ask him to vote with you? i don't follow

What don't you follow? I noticed he was SRing Taylor from that part of the catchup and asked him to vote with me from that because I was having trouble getting the Taylor wagon going.

is your solve now nahdia/bulge? are there any scumplayers putting in work? who has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

I did not see this before.
No that's not my exact solve but I'd call you two high suspects. The POE pool here is really small and coincidentally most-all of the high activity players have been conf-towned (barring some shenanigans) by claim. I TR the posting of other active players like midway and DS so yeah I'm pretty much ending up with the low-posting players.

[SirCakez]

It's too early for this game to die

[SirCakez]

Ok and what's wrong with that answer?

[SirCakez]

broad strokes. I'm looking for direct and specific answer, yes/no if you must.

are there any scumplayers putting in work?

who, if anyone, has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

Yes, I don't think the scum team has just given up.
Randomly off the top of my head
-Bell and Nahdia made scummy catchups that I've talked about a lot
-Gamma keeps referencing some "signalling" Taylor did with me as reason to vote me and is not actually pointing to anything specific
-SS (altho conftown now) kept making excuses not to play the game instead of actually just scumhunting
-Cabd (altho conftown now) seemed to be leaning on nostalgia early in the game to avoid playing mafia

all of the conftown claims threw me off because some of my SRs were within that group

[SirCakez]

Elim-Pool (8 names)

Bell
SirCakez
Gamma Emerald
DiamondSentinel
Nahdia
The Bulge
petapan
midwaybear

I'm going to be focusing on this pool now

[SirCakez]

Gamma definitely looks a lot worse with that list in mind

[SirCakez]

by focusing I mean digging into their posts more than I was

[SirCakez]

nobody except conftown has engaged me this phase.

not exactly true

Right now the names I want in the top half of that list (less in a hurry to murdererererez) are Bulge and Gamma.

why? these two are at the top of my list

DS PP SC BU MB. - Let me know if I missed yours!

I don't really like doing readslists because I feel like on certain players I end forcing reads that I don't really feel good about

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

2845 seems performative and forced.

Bulge is getting better but I can't get past Peta and Midway and DS looking better than him. The pool is so small.

[SirCakez]

Tammy can you help me parse Petapan? I am not sure how to read him really. My TR on him rn is basically just based on his content and scumhunting.

[SirCakez]

so i wont have time to catch up until later tonight, but here's some content to read me on

i maintain 33 is a bad look. that kind of perspective-discerning logic always reads super ingenuine to me, and while it can come from town, i think scum are likely to throw it out because it's one of those "technically correct" points. that said, obviously there's a lot more content from that slot with which to read now, so my read may well change

didnt really get anything from peta's vote on me or the subsequent reactions, at least at first glance.

I'm not fond of that type of pizza.

Noted!

Now. Why me before Syr?

You're scarier. And you're around! I feel like I'll know pretty quickly if Syr's town. He and I have some of the same weaknesses as scum, especially interacting with each other.

This post stands out to me. Are you holding your cards close to your chest here until you get a read or would you care to elaborate?

VOTE: Alisae
bad push tbh

was liking midway but this post just... doesn't make sense in context. not sure what to make of it, but @midway i wanna know more about what was going through your head when you voted alisae here.

I don't get the point and I don't see the problem yet. I really doubt scum!Jake is going to come out of the game posting votecounts instead of trying to form connections with other people.

your defense of your partner is noted

am I doing it right peta?

this is also a bad look. feels very much like a post i would make as scum, though if people disagree that it's a generally scummy post i might just be projecting a bit too much. feedback welcome.

glad to see peta's "obvious townread" was the one i also felt was obvious (midwaybear)! unless he got bear town after he made that earlier post about having one townread which was obvious.

kinda liked 216. alisae is slightly leaning town at this point.

and now im at page 10!

Gamma I'm mainly going off these two posts. Seem very half-hearted (Nahdia admitted to this) and kind of reminds me of catch-ups I used to post as scum

This is what I was referring to Nahdia. You are correct that it is somewhat stale though.

[SirCakez]

i'm really busy rn but I'll reeval you sometime in the next two days

[SirCakez]

There haven’t been that many times I’ve seen town make a catch-up post like that. The format itself whether it’s by player or page automatically pings me. It’s made worse when there are so many unnecessary comments or comments that don’t add anything, which makes it look like padding.

yeah it reeks of catchups I used to make as scum. it's not really helpful but it looks good on the surface.

[SirCakez]

Is that a lot tho. You already got pushed on this and I don’t wanna retread old ground. But you’re mischaracterizing your initial reaction and your subsequent apporach, imo.

yeah it's not as much or quite what I remembered. but I still dislike it for the reasons in that post.

[SirCakez]

Nahdia, you know how mafia players pretend like they know whats going on in the game completely but they actually don't?

people like me!

@Diamond

- what reads do you even have?

Big Dethy Room in the Sky - Locktown. Not allowed to touch those (as much as I'd love to, pertaining to Jake. Speaking of which, where's Jake? I just realized I've not been filled with seething annoyance for too long)
Bell - Null!Scum. Had a couple things here and there that I do not care much for.
Cabd - Scum. My gut has only gotten worse since the whole fiasco on day 1. Although there was something about a mason above? With a dethy, I don't believe that the set-up would have both a dethy and masons. Still, can someone explain later?
midwaybear - Null!town. I'm apprehensive about how readily he's agreeing with me, but I can't point to anything more worrisome.
Cakez - Null. Not a null in a "I can't read him", but a null in "it can go either way". Some stuff I really like, but his interactions with the dethy and a couple others. have been.... interesting.
S_S - Surprisingly null!town. one of my stronger towns, but I'm not putting anyone in actual town because that tier is reserved for haha funny dethy-land.
Alisae - Null. Don't like your fixation on me, but I can't scumread you for that. You're doing your job. Some stuff has rubbed me the wrong way, but hey, that applies to most.
peta - null (slight town leanings, but not null!town). Constant dry humor doesn't off-put me here, so that's good, but other than that, I've seen some things that make me scratch my head. Specifically that their iso is almost entirely questions with a couple of observations. Not much that they've personally postulated. Nothing worrisome, but I keep them on my mind.
Pooky - /shrug. Don't remember them posting aside from snarking and the D1 cringeRP.
Bulge - /shrug. This is what sparked this.
Gamma - I... wish I had more. I haven't gained much on them, but this is really my last

true

gut read. Something doesn't sit right with me about them. I doubt that trying to come up with justification from the thread would work because my unconscious mind is not great.
Nahdia - Still think they're scum.

this may be one of the worst readslists I've ever seen. literally NULL ON EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR A SR ON CONFTOWN

Cabd and SS are also masons

Yeah that was what I was talking about.

I don't believe that. I do not believe for a second that there is one pair of masons with the dethy, much less two.

I also don't believe that you guys are all four scum because that's stupid. What I

do

believe is that this is a super "fun" inside joke (or this game is secretly bastard).

what??? your solution to this is either the world's dumbest mafia inside joke or FG (one of the most tenured and respected mods on MS) is breaking site rules????

[SirCakez]

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

@Alisae response?

[SirCakez]

Honestly I have no fucking clue

[SirCakez]

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

@Alisae response?

I'm holding you accountable for being terribly wrong

Can you talk to me about Nahdia and Bulge town because I am really not seeing it

[SirCakez]

Diamond is doubling down on all of this which seems like a scum strategy. However, as many have noted, it also seems very likely that this is the way he plays as town.

he does, speaking from past experience
which is why I'm hesitant to just call it scum

[SirCakez]

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

@Alisae response?

I'm holding you accountable for being terribly wrong

Can you talk to me about Nahdia and Bulge town because I am really not seeing it

how is nahdia's recent posting scum indicative?
how is bulge recent content scum indicative?

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected
(i;e Bulge's whole "only conftown are interacting with me" thing even though that was not true as evidenced by my discussion with him)
I can point to more specific things hold on

[SirCakez]

was really hoping DS would give a better answer on my question about his meta on me. as it stands it was basically a dodge.

Nahdia isn't here rn, be my scheherazade~

hello hello.
bulge's content this game:

Spoiler:

• votes DS for his anger at RVS being a bit performative. i did take note of that as well!
  
• i kinda liked 1122 for some reason. it's bold.
  
• starts asking lots of mech questions to clarify the dethy traitor thing. personally i find mechspeccing to be where a scum thrives, but i cant deny the town perspective here. he's asking questions that scum would obviously already know the answer to.
  
• his early d2 is pretty defensive, though not necessarily in a bad way? it feels strange to me that bulge would be surprised to be in PoEs in a way that i almost wanna say is towny.
  
• gets much more into sorting territory by 2679. i like this post and the posts that follow. the continual followup on questions he's asked makes the sorting look genuine.
  
• i feel 2806 deep in my soul

bulge feels towny to me.

As I said earlier I didn't like this post because it felt like a really long performative way to say "I TR Bulge because he's active and trying to play"

-Bell and

Nahdia

made scummy catchups that I've talked about a lot

you have never talked about my catchups as far as I can see in your ISO.

This was just not true although I could accept Nahdia just missing my post about it

Spoiler:

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

but you specifically called me out as someone you can read well!!!!! why!? explain yourself!

Because my gut reads are pretty accurate, especially against you. See: Soccer Spirits. (And before you point it out, yes, I was scum, but it was multiball)

so... one game. from four years ago. in which you were scum.

4. Confusion at this odd town bloc for, what I’ve seen, nearly non-existent reasons. I’ve yet to see a solid reason why Cabd’s behavior is town motivated, and I also fail to see that for Tammy and Syr, yet a fair few of my more confident town reads (specifically you, although that’s dropping faster than I’d like) proclaim that they are acting consistently with a town mentality.

Earlier you said that you're not good at asking questions. Last night I took a look at Cyberpunk, which we were both in, and you seem fine at asking questions? I know that not everything's going to be the same; I'm not myself. But what I noticed in that game was how direct you were with people where my overall impression is that you're talking a bit about people but not talking directly to them in the same way.

I was also going to comment on what seemed like a bit of a fixation with cabd, syry, ffery, and me, which were names that were given to you to talk about, and there you had your hands in a more variety of people. BUT I reread your iso this morning and my impression of what you were doing in that regard is not what you are actually doing, which just goes to show that I really need to get started on reading this game when I can focus on it and not while I'm trying to work. Anyway i want to leave this impression here to come back to if I still feel this way when I've reread.

BUT I wanted to ask you about this. When you say town bloc here are you just referring to the group of us town reading each other to varying degrees or do you think we're acting in some type of block?

I've changed a lot in 3 years personally. I'm not remotely the same person I was then (definitely for the better). But aside from that, I was also very familiar with those players. I know 3 people on this playerlist (well 4 if you count Nahdia but they aren't posting much).

I genuinely think that you guys are acting as a bloc of sorts mainly out of some very odd meta-buddying and I'm not a huge fan of that remotely.

in this post you point out you've changed a lot in three years. i'm still a bit baffled at 275 despite this exchange.

like, yall, to drive this point home,

this

is Soccer Spirits mafia. it is one of my first non-newbie games ever on the site: notice it starts like 3 weeks after my join date. THAT'S your basis for feeling like you can gut read me well!? for getting peeved that i wasnt posting more because you could were so certain to read me right?????????

and actually, while you were mafia in that game, you were red mafia. meaning you didn't know for sure it was multiball, though you did speculate there was 3p in the scumthread.

WAIT HOLD ON. YOU SCUMREAD ME THAT GAME.

your read on me THAT game was "nahdia is a noob that is posting a lot but it's all filler so i cant read them". and then you decided i was scum!

i was town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

your evidence for being able to gutread me well is a game where you never read me correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if im upset is because now i have to tease out whether in this instance you're either delusional and arrogant or just scum who made a throwaway line and then wasnt able to back it up.

your evidence for being able to gutread me well is a game where you never read me correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One where I never read you correctly

in the thread

i checked the scumthread too!!!

like, maybe you did townread me there.... in a game you were scum. but you never SAID so. so how is THIS your basis for feeling you have a good radar on me. am i being unreasonable here? i really dont think i am!!!

can one or more of the conftowns please tell me if this is something? or am i just wasting my time here?

am i being unreasonable here? i really dont think i am!!!

What exactly are you arguing?

ill quote the whole exchange and then try to summarize:

Spoiler: quotes snipped for relevancy/redundancy

Ooh a pagetop.

Anyways, I'm mostly just gonna go to the backline until Nahdia posts more. I can read them fairly well.

i'd really like DS to answer this question which is a response to post 275.

DS, can you elaborate a bit on you feeling like you have good insight into my alignment? How do you approach reading me in particular?

Ultimately my reads are perpetually feels based. I think that the "logic" that so often permeates this site is a facade to hide behind and try to make this game seem like it's any more than just a dartboard until someone gets flustered.

As such, I just look at people until I get a gut read on them and then I push them. You are one such person I can get a decent gut read for and feel confident about.

I was hoping for a little more than this. You called me out as someone you think you can definitely get a confidant read. That suggests you feel you have a pretty reliable meta on me. Why? What's that meta based on? You don't need to go into excruciating detail if you'd rather not list all of what you feel my tells are, but what are the general things that make me easier to get a gut read for you?

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

but you specifically called me out as someone you can read well!!!!! why!? explain yourself!

Because my gut reads are pretty accurate, especially against you. See: Soccer Spirits. (And before you point it out, yes, I was scum, but it was multiball)

so... one game. from four years ago. in which you were scum.

-snip-

in this post you point out you've changed a lot in three years. i'm still a bit baffled at 275 despite this exchange.

like, yall, to drive this point home,

this

is Soccer Spirits mafia. it is one of my first non-newbie games ever on the site: notice it starts like 3 weeks after my join date. THAT'S your basis for feeling like you can gut read me well!? for getting peeved that i wasnt posting more because you could were so certain to read me right?????????

and actually, while you were mafia in that game, you were red mafia. meaning you didn't know for sure it was multiball, though you did speculate there was 3p in the scumthread.

WAIT HOLD ON. YOU SCUMREAD ME THAT GAME.

your read on me THAT game was "nahdia is a noob that is posting a lot but it's all filler so i cant read them". and then you decided i was scum!

the overall point im driving here is that i think DS' original post, 275 is unsubstantiated filler. there is in fact no evidence DS has provided that he has any ability to read me well, so the idea that town!DS would make that post feels less likely to me.

This whole thing (while DS was being about it) read like a huge overreaction

[SirCakez]

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

@Alisae response?

I'm holding you accountable for being terribly wrong

Can you talk to me about Nahdia and Bulge town because I am really not seeing it

how is nahdia's recent posting scum indicative?
how is bulge recent content scum indicative?

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected
(i;e Bulge's whole "only conftown are interacting with me" thing even though that was not true as evidenced by my discussion with him)
I can point to more specific things hold on

Do you think Diamond is town?

I lean that way more than others in the POE pool at the moment, so yes. I think he has major foot-in-mouth syndrome and it comes off scummily.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

obviously I have doubts about everyone I mentioned, and then some. If my intention was to throw shade, what good would it do to not make any conclusions? When you're looking at my process, are you looking in iso?

peta's first post of d2, 2 pages into the phase. this post, oddly enough, bears striking similarities to Bell's latest reads which.... I don't know what to make of that

are you trying to claim there's a problem with me having a start of day list trying to close out the game via PoE when we had 3 conftown and several strong townreads

also this doesnt really read to me as "questioning me" so much as defending yourself in the form of a question

i mean that's kind of the point of throwing shade, though, isn't it, you don't attack people too strong but this is a position where it's beneficial to scum to start instilling doubts about as many people as possible because options fr votes are severely limited. in concert with the rest of your post where you accuse people of throwing shade at you without engaging you or w/e, of course i'm gonna take that as critical toward me. and you drop the conclusion of "idk what to say about this post rn but like when are we yeeting bell?" which is a fairly fuckin gross statement given i see basically no rationale for it

trying to argue a different between "questioning" you and "defending myself in the form of a question" is just nitpicking.

do you really think I'm in any position right now to be instilling doubts?? i havent done shit of consequence this game, and I don't have any strong leads. why is my scum catchup tactic to come in and shoot a bunch of spitballs at everyone voting me? your logic doesnt make sense, and even less so if you claim to be reading my process. nobody except conftown has engaged me this phase. plenty of you, however, have expressed interest in voting me. it's the difference between trying to solve a gamestate and trying to push a gamestate. no wagon has formed on me because it would be a shit wagon. but a lot of people want everyone to know they'd be okay with it if it came to it! what's that called again when you try to covertly suggest that someone is scummy without pushing it uhhhhh

as for the bell thing, i have reasons for scumreading him outside of that singular post of his which I haven't gotten to yet. this is also something I thought was quite clear.

*at everyone PoEing me

no wagon has formed on me because it would be a shit wagon.

lmao nah

it would have been when i had 30 fucking posts

these are the kind of Bulge posts I dislike
he's doing this whole "I am being scumread/POEd for my low activity woe is me this is not fair" act and it's not logical at all.

[SirCakez]

I think I am also a little confbiased on these though? Which is why I'd love input from people who TR the two

[SirCakez]

Who DS?

[SirCakez]

Your posting advocates a

( ) rational (X) mod-meta (X) theory-based ( ) random

approach to solving the setup. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which vary from setup to setup.)

(X) Your solve requires scum that all decided to gamethrow
(X) A counterclaim would have occurred already
(X) It fails to take into account mod experimentation
( ) The mod has done this kind of thing in the past
( ) The mod has explicitly disavowed a part of your solution in public before
(X) Your solve would require mod lies despite the "no" reply in the Queue questionnaire
( ) It would no longer be an actual game of Mafia
( ) This would require site functionality that does not exist
( ) Town would have to intentionally play poorly to win
( ) Scum could autowin
( ) Town could autowin
( ) Existing flips disprove your hypothesis
( ) Massclaim would break this setup outright
( ) Massclaim would cause a scum auto win


Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Players will play to win the game as their given alignment
( ) The mod takes pride and honor in their setups
( ) Modkills would prevent this
(X) Multiple players would have to gamethrow simultaniously

and the following objections may also apply:

(X) 2020 Meta makes this unlikely
( ) Any setup that encourages players to not use any of their abilities sucks
(X) Moderation lies suck
(X) moderation half-truths suck
(X) Towns that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
( ) Scum factions that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
(X) Wanting something to not be true does not make it false.


Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it works.
( ) This is a stupid solve, and you're a bad person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

this is such an excessive response for something so obviously wrong lol

[SirCakez]

It's a copy-pasta.

It's a cabd classic, actually.

Your posting advocates a

( ) rational (X) mod-meta (X) theory-based ( ) random

approach to solving the setup. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which vary from setup to setup.)

(X) Your solve requires scum that all decided to gamethrow
(X) A counterclaim would have occurred already
(X) It fails to take into account mod experimentation
( ) The mod has done this kind of thing in the past
( ) The mod has explicitly disavowed a part of your solution in public before
(X) Your solve would require mod lies despite the "no" reply in the Queue questionnaire
( ) It would no longer be an actual game of Mafia
( ) This would require site functionality that does not exist
( ) Town would have to intentionally play poorly to win
( ) Scum could autowin
( ) Town could autowin
( ) Existing flips disprove your hypothesis
( ) Massclaim would break this setup outright
( ) Massclaim would cause a scum auto win


Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Players will play to win the game as their given alignment
( ) The mod takes pride and honor in their setups
( ) Modkills would prevent this
(X) Multiple players would have to gamethrow simultaniously

and the following objections may also apply:

(X) 2020 Meta makes this unlikely
( ) Any setup that encourages players to not use any of their abilities sucks
(X) Moderation lies suck
(X) moderation half-truths suck
(X) Towns that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
( ) Scum factions that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
(X) Wanting something to not be true does not make it false.


Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it works.
( ) This is a stupid solve, and you're a bad person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

this is such an excessive response for something so obviously wrong lol

He's meme-ing. It's probably less than 5 minutes worth of modifying a template.

I KNEW THAT
DEFINITELY JUST MESSING WITH YOU GUYS

[SirCakez]

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected

uh, why is that first thing scum indicative? all the conftown coming out narrowed the pool significantly, making it easier to get a footing in this game. if anything, i would say disappearing when all the conftown appear is scummier, since you would imagine scum could get discouraged when that happens.

as for the second thing i disagree with the characterization. particularly considering my only major discredit here is DS?

I highly disagree. Disappearing when the conftown outed would be akin to a death sentence because everyone will just POE you. Lurking only works for scum when there's other scummier, active people. I don't really think it "made getting a footing" easier. It actually made it harder for me because I have to engage 100% of the game but only scumhunt within half of it.
I will concede the discrediting is moreso Bulge

[SirCakez]

Cakez - for peta, I kinda liked his announcing suspicion on me, or voicing the not-town feeling he has, when he had it. I think unless you’re a tone reader, I’d probably be somewhat hard to read at that time this game. I also think that unless you’ve seen the issues with my scum game, I might be hard to read early, and though we didn’t play a lot together years ago so he doesn’t remember how I play if he did it would seem weird as I use to be more aggressive overall but also in the early game.

So I actually started townreading him there for that.

It is not very strong or even really a read because I don’t feel confident in that right at this moment but it was where I was coming into this day phase.

ok I see
he's definitely someone I'd go reexamine depending on flips of other people in the pool

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Bell

[SirCakez]

Alisae pls talk about town Bulge/Nahdia now that I have talked about my SRs on them

[SirCakez]

Alisae pls talk about town Bulge/Nahdia now that I have talked about my SRs on them

their contributions are good

dis not helpful

VOTE: sircakez

excellent

[SirCakez]

Alisae how can you call my SRs on Nahdia and Bulge terrible when literally all you can say about them is "their contributions are good"?

[SirCakez]

because I'm conftown

^ see this is how the conftown coming out has made the game harder for me

[SirCakez]

^ agree. Pesky confirm town getting in the way of me miseliminating people.

fucking knew someone was gonna say this

[SirCakez]

what do you not like about nahdia/bulge ?

me? read the last few pages I talked about this

[SirCakez]

I thought you just liked bread

[SirCakez]

imma make bread over winter break I think I will try that recipe ffery
anyone else notice that Bell's posting reads super differently from his earlier stuff?

[SirCakez]

I’m just waiting for someone to have a shitty vote other than cakes with his trejectory issue where he looked like he got permission to vote me and so he did.

I wasn't "waiting for permission" I voted you because of the Hi There post

[SirCakez]

Join the Bell wagon choo choo

[SirCakez]

Bell is just making up reads I think

[SirCakez]

2845 seems performative and forced.

i don't understand what's "performative" about that ISO, though. i don't agree with the conclusions nahdia makes at all really but this is a weird assessment to me

I just think it was kind of an overtly roundabout and unnecessary way to say that they liked Bulge because of their increased activity and motivation