mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Menalque]

Alright monkey, we both know my scumread on you is inevitable, let’s get this over with

VOTE: a50

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I would like to announce to the thread that if we’re moving at this rate I won’t be catching up inberween times I’m here and when I’m not until at least day 4

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Hi mastina

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So scum choose roles in this series right? Which scum d’you reckon gave me bulletproof commuting day-cop vengeful multi-vig?

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Also, I am a mason with mastina

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Hi bell

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I wanted to ask, did the mafia literally get to choose which player got what?

Yeah, how else would you have ended up a miller beloved princess?

[Menalque]

i think im about ready for a srs bsns nero wagon

Sounds fun I’m in

VOTE: nero

[Menalque]

Feeling strongly that (norwee, A50, nero) is a strong starting point for the solve

[Menalque]

Alright monkey, we both know my scumread on you is inevitable, let’s get this over with

VOTE: a50

ah, we meet again, i am pleased.

hello friend

[Menalque]

i've sr this slot every game, eventually I'll be right
VOTE: taylor

Scum?

[Menalque]

i've sr this slot every game, eventually I'll be right
VOTE: taylor

great post! locktown!

This will be... an interesting D1

[Menalque]

How quickly can we get Nero to G-1 do we think

[Menalque]

Daddy?

[Menalque]

Feeling strongly that (norwee, A50, nero) is a strong starting point for the solve

This is Nero's town meta, so no on that.
I'll admit that I'm not absolutely sure Almost50's town but I do lean that way, too.

But, would listen on Norwee since that's not a slot I know well.

Mena scumreads me when i’m town every game so not the best place to look for advice on me.

mena scumreads me every game too so I know how you feel.

nero, correct me if I'm wrong here, but haven't we only ever played one game together?

[Menalque]

ddl feels scummy but ddl always feels scummy

[Menalque]

also, I know I just misguillo'd plus for the win as scum but I really do think plus might be scum this time

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VOTE: plus

but would also be happy with a ddl wagon

[Menalque]

norwee, I'm sort of TRing you and have an unpleasant feeling that that probably means you're scum

[Menalque]

i think we've played twice

I only remember the DnD large theme

anyway, what do you think of one scum min in (plus, ddl)?

[Menalque]

VOTE: plus

but would also be happy with a ddl wagon

._.
i'm trying to not get biased here cause last game, what's the reason you think im scum

you don't seem very solve-y to me and you feel strangely self-aware vs last game

[Menalque]

Why, isn’t it little ol me, back from perry. Why you all look like a feathered whisper of a crew, a real hoot and a half.

this is probably scum tbh

[Menalque]

my impression on Superbowl is the opposite. They seem too confident from their last towngame so i think it's scummy. Also i didn't like their weird questions aimed at me that seems like something you'd ask to make someone look bad no matter what they answer.

Have I asked you any questions so far? Besides this one of course

I was referring to comments and statements like 180 and 216. You’re right, not really questions. But they felt slimy.
Oh if only you knew what unholy retribution your "clever" little comments would bring upon you. Ur dead kiddo. Nothin personell

Does this thread have room for another navy seal copypasta

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little self-voter? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Forum Academy, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on Mastina-Radiant Cowbell hydras, and I have over 300 confirmed misguillotines. I am trained in WIFOM and I’m the top OMGUSer in the entire mafiascum community. You are nothing to me but just another lolhammer. I will Preview-Edit you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this website mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my network of alt-accounts across my computer and your name is being voted for right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your account. You’re fucking dead, newbie. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can modkill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my Menalque account. Not only am I extensively trained in ISO analysis, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Semi-Experienced playerbase and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of this RVS, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn MyLo. I will IIoA all over you and you will drown in EBWOP. You’re fucking dead, superbowl9.

[Menalque]

I mean, I don't hate the idea of wagoning you, let's put it that way

[Menalque]

I slowly become meaner the better I am, I think

one of the best things I learned was to abandon good/optimal play (and how well/poorly people are playing) and think about why the player you're looking at is acting a certain way.. spending a huge amount of time empathising with how people are posting and trying to see ways in which they could be town has been working really well for me.

I think your experience catches up to you sometimes. Since you've experienced eras in site culture where policy was considered really important, I think you have a firmer stance about "good"/optimal play than quite a lot of us. Technically that's not a negative thing. But I can see why it could get in the way of read accuracy.


Some people still freeze up and make decisions based on who played "better" (or who they'd "rather lose to"), rather than who they think is scum. It happens at nearly all levels of play, I think. I can definitely see how human nature and instinct lends itself to reading people like that.

I am half asleep here so mayyy be rambling a bit. Sorry.

[Menalque]

I think it would be hasty to call anyone strongly already, but I would agree that mastina is townpings

I think that if she’s scum then she’s mechanically hurting herself for a lot of towncred compensation, which is possible but it probably wouldn’t be my first step and I don’t think it would for that many other players if they rolled mafia either

[Menalque]

Hmm

I'm not sure my new lazy playstyle is gonna work so well with large themes

I think I'm gonna need to parse everyone at the weekend

HOWEVER
VOTE: Menalque

You see, I came here from the ToS Forum Mafia section. For about a year I played Mafia on that forum, and by the end I was without a doubt the most skilled active player there. Eventually the disparity was so vast that I had to be banned to keep things fair for the rest of the players (officially it was for abrasiveness, as many of their players suffer from SSS and my personality conflicted with that).

Anyway, I always claim day one (and yes it was serious, for those that didn't understand that), and press others for their claims. I do this for the purpose of analyzing the behavior of others to determine if they are scum or town. Already I'm picking apart your posts and those of others for a level of analysis that is probably higher than you could comprehend.

[Menalque]

How can we solve this game?

[Menalque]

Morning/mage are you guys please gonna sign your posts or what

[Menalque]

Menalque wagon has fishy voters such as JJ and Echo so not tempted to touch the idea of that yet.

Nah do it, it’s spicy

[Menalque]

I wanna see if scum think they can get me flipped today or not

[Menalque]

d1 should be a policy lynch on who we like the least
d2 should also be
d3 we can start scum hunting
d4 scum hunt a little
d5 we scum hunt hard and ez clap bitches

d1 should be a policy lynch on who we like the least

a policy lynch on who we like the least

come hang menalque

VOTE: menalque

Oof

[Menalque]

What did I do to hurt you echovision

[Menalque]

So far you are maybe 1-4.

I feel like you’re missing the fact that my reads on you, A50, norwee, mastina, and April were entirely unserious

I do think plus and ddl have decent scum equity +Súperbowl could be

Idk what I think of echo’s vote on me but I think I saw one or two other things from them that made me think town

[Menalque]

I’m probably gonna townbin mastina just because I don’t feel like trying to sort her today

[Menalque]

So like

Mastina
Nero
Echo

{big null pile}

Ddl
Superbowl
Plus

Idk maybe morning mage should be slightly above that null pile but not sure yet, I saw a post I liked from morning where she was taking about past experience playing with me but I don’t really think it was NAI as scum her could be honestly analysing the differences in my play too

[Menalque]

Oh and norwee can go in the town pile for today actually

Although me thinking he’s town does probably increase the odds of him really being scum so

[Menalque]

Oh and so can A50

This is a very weird gsme and I feel like I’m going to get insanely paranoid of my townreads later on if we don’t flip multiple scum early

Although maybe that would make it even worse if I didn’t then die, actually

So revised list

Mastina
Nero
Echo
Norwee
A50

Morning mage?

{null pile}

Ddl
Superbowl
Plus

[Menalque]

Choo choo

VOTE: gamma

[Menalque]

i just had a slight scum read on your slot

This I’m curious about, what was it based on?

[Menalque]

Yeah I saw that but couldn’t be bothered to go back to find exactly what the questions were

Mastina is just... well, she very much could be scum but if she *is* I’m not going to get her on D1, and she and I generally synergise pretty well, and I know she generally tries to avoid bussing meaning that if a whole bunch of scum end up in the bottom of her reads I can be more confident on later days. And then treating mastina as town at least for today gets me town!nero as I’m just trusting her there

Superbowl just seemed very empty in ISO when I skimmed there

Idk why there was a wagon on me but I would wager it had something to do with 99% of my content at that point being shitposting and copypasta

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I don’t really scumresd bell but i would be unsurprised if superbowl were partnered with him in the case that bell is scum

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Gamma I’m finally gonna guillotine you like a year later, I’m excited

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Gamma I’m finally gonna guillotine you like a year later, I’m excited

Uh what

Our very first game together I spent the whole time tunnelling your slot and trying to misguillotine you and your non-misguillotinability was part of the reason why the scumteam lost

And this time we’re gonna get to flip you on D1! The path to victory is assured

[Menalque]

Superbowl just seemed very empty in ISO when I skimmed there

If my ISO is empty yours would be a nuclear wasteland

[Menalque]

I feel good about echo town actually

Probably my strongest TR

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Gamma I’m finally gonna guillotine you like a year later, I’m excited

Uh what

Our very first game together I spent the whole time tunnelling your slot and trying to misguillotine you and your non-misguillotinability was part of the reason why the scumteam lost

And this time we’re gonna get to flip you on D1! The path to victory is assured

...
VOTE: Menalque

Wait, this isn’t the scum PT!

[Menalque]

Hey hectic, do you got a read on me yet ole buddy ole pal

[Menalque]

I love when the VCA says I’m town, it’s honestly my favourite thing

[Menalque]

norwee, I'm sort of TRing you and have an unpleasant feeling that that probably means you're scum

Oh and norwee can go in the town pile for today actually

Although me thinking he’s town does probably increase the odds of him really being scum so

I liked these takes, old chum. Slightly harder to fake as scum.

Otherwise, I want to say your openwolfing is town-indicative, because in the 2 scumgames I've seen you in, I haven't seen it done (although those were alts so maybe different playstyle etcetc)

Any read on us? Don't you dare say we're null.

~Buttercup

Like, if this is the spectrum, you’re here-ish:

Conftown
Extreme town
Super town
Locktown
Strong townread
Townread
Very town
Weak townread
Strong townlean
Mostly town
Townlean
Weak townlean
Kinda town I guess
Null town
Null +
Nullish town
True Null - Ban Hydras
Scummy null
Null minus
Null scum
Sort of scummy
Weak scumlean
Scumlean
Mostly scummy
Strong scumlean
Weak scumread
Solidly scummy
Scumread
Strong scumread
Lockscum
Suuuper scummy
Extremely scum
Confscum

(Also I do openwolf as a wolf but mostly because I like doing it a lot as town and I’m cognisant or avoiding trust tells — up to you to decide how much I’m enjoying it rn)

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I love when the VCA says I’m town, it’s honestly my favourite thing

My read on you is not based in VCA. It's far too early for that and we haven't had a VC in awhile (based on thread speed).

Is what you just said about wagon formation not VCA?

[Menalque]

If we’re going that way we should do morning mage

But honestly neither of them have a truly horrendous postcount and you can just ignore it

My actual read on hydras is a slight scumlean but it’s a gut thing and I don’t think I can substantiate it. It wasn’t from hectic!head it was from one of the other too

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Second, what I said was gamma/menal should contain at least one scum.

Exactly, so once I’ve successfully bussed gamma, I suppose I can count on your support during another cruise to victory on the towncred to be found therein

[Menalque]

Well, I guess I was wrong, ban hydras is locktown

[Menalque]

wtf, are you trying to anti-pocket me m8? we can take this outside if that's what you really want?

~Buttercup

SQUARE GO LIKE MATE, WHATRE YE WAITIN FER

[Menalque]

Jjh were you actually scumreading me earlier or not?

[Menalque]

Not too sure about it right now but then I also respect your play

Also chances are you're probably a mafia roleblocker

Goddamn, right out of the gate and you’re all up on my shit

Why was it serious?

[Menalque]

Mena's push on Gamma doesn't seem like buddy/buddy but it's aggressive.

Wait, what

No it’s not? This is like the most chill push I’ve ever made, I’m not even leading it!

[Menalque]

I actually think Menalque has good scum chances.

Every reason I've seen for town Mena has been horse shit and their votes have been poor and show a lack of scumhunting for me.

I can give you more details if you would like titus but also curious as to why you TR them

Go on

[Menalque]

Is blossom flopz or hopkirk?

Am assuming flopz

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If you don't have a solve by the time I've reached page 40 then you go down in my estimate from 'probably a good' to 'all smoke & ego - not worth listening to'. This is going to be interesting to see.

I know I’m late but how does (superbowl, plus, gamma, Taylor) sound as a starting point

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I'm Hopkirk. I made a whole intro post about why each of us are which powerpuff girl

I remember this now! I apologise, it was funny but if you repeated it in the game I didn’t see it, I’m only recalling it from the sign up thread

[Menalque]

Nah

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Don’t worry about it

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I’m a good boi

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Hey superbowl, just wanted to give you a reminder that you thought every reason for town reading me was weak and that my votes have been poor and show a lack of scumhunting so that you can go through why that is for me

[Menalque]

ok pls explain then

Me? I feel like there’s decent scum equity individually but also that as gamma wagon pressure was mounting there’s been a semi-cohesive effort from you collectively to refocus energies or to undermine the wagon

[Menalque]

Without actually coming out hard against it

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Never change, hopkirk

[Menalque]

My townpool right now is something like this:

Nero
Vecna
TGP
Mastina
Superbowl
Taylor

@Buttercup - thoughts?

-Blossom

How is Taylor in there and not me?

Is this question specific to the hydra or do you feel you've obv!towned enough someone like me should town!bin you?

I feel that no one should really be TRing Taylor atm.

Yes

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I think titus is leaning town

[Menalque]

But I’m not confident in that by any means

Probably easier just to townbin her D1 tho

[Menalque]

VC would be nice tho

[Menalque]

So ddl is scum huh

And gamma too it looks like

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someone i would care a bit more about your reads on me if you didnt slot norwegian slot as your top 5 town reads

You mean the always-pushable-as-a-viable-misguillo slot whose wagon has come about in

direct

response to the gamma wagon gaining serious traction, and which is being supported by the most questionable slots in the game?

That norwee?

Hmmmmmmm

[Menalque]

Ahh the problem in larges are that there are so many people I want dead and yet it’s like herding cats with you people to actually get a flip decently quickly

Who’s up for getting gamma to G-1 and seeing a claim?

[Menalque]

but menal, who is sheeping me, is also pretty scummy. HALP!

Do you, like, remember the game that we played together? Where you kept insisting I was scummy and I was town?

[Menalque]

unvote

you could argue that wagon speed likely means they are town. I'm not done with them but we shouldn't be ending the day with 9 days left.

No, no, that’s exactly what we should be doing actually

[Menalque]

Say it with me now: “town winrates are higher when days end earlier”

[Menalque]

There are 57 pages

Ending the day now is fine

[Menalque]

Norwee you realise that you TRing me is only making the paranoia stronger, yes?

[Menalque]

@mastina

What has superbowl done that’s led to your TRing him?

[Menalque]

Echo - town
Mastina
Titus
Nero
Norwee

A50 - townlean
jjh

Pickaxe pete - weak townlean
TGP

MM - nulltown

Samantha -null
Vecna
Christøpher

Bell - nullscum

DS - scumlean
Ban Hydras
April

DrDolittle - scum
Taylor
PlusJOYED
Superbowl
Gamma Emerald

[Menalque]

Say it with me now: “town winrates are higher when days end earlier”

Data?

I’m on my phone and I cbf to find it, ask me again later when I’m on laptop if someone else hasn’t provided it by then

[Menalque]

I think if I get to speak to morning live then I can probably sort that slot

[Menalque]

i also have at least some experience with gamma and dont think that he should be automatically scumbinned based on his posts so far. can someone explain the gamma wagon to me though? i dont understand it beyond "he didnt do much yet". because that describes a lot of people at this stage. like why is gamma scum rather than just a bit slow to get his legs planted? i think theres enough reason for a pressure wagon there but people seem to be out for blood, and to me we are barely out of RVS and i dont understand the rush or why people are so confident scumreading gamma at this point.

If gamma flips scum please god can we flip this next?

[Menalque]

so, we kill one of the two who've outed to make sure it's true then go from there?

[Menalque]

motifs of the series:

assignment of roles to town by mafia; heavy information to mafia; night actions being determined by events (e.g., two players are assigned to collaboratively use a doctor ability); normal roles or otherwise non-flashy roles; uncertain guilties vs. certain innocents; setup fake-outs; vanilla by any other name tastes just as sweet.

incidentally: "uncertain guilties vs certain innocents, setup fake-outs" makes me think this could be a thing, but idk if A50, superbowl, and the third have enough experience with MBoS games to come up with this fake claim as scum

[Menalque]

what it is is a Spicy development

[Menalque]

Menalaque should know their take is terrible.

err, why?

[Menalque]

what it is is a Spicy development

Yeah sorry your omgus was wrong buddy

I think, technically, you were the one OMGUSing me

[Menalque]

its a good thing we didn't listen to

No, no, that’s exactly what we should be doing actually

^that guy and rush the s1 lynch

eh I still would be fine with powermurdering gamma tbh

[Menalque]

I want to understand it because your approach doesn't feel like it's leading to good reads for you.

well, I've already had 2 correct scum reads so...

uh

what

[Menalque]

yeah, but he means he was picking up on like a hidden connection and extra info in your play, I kiiiind of don't disagree with his take if he has been pushing you both consistently

[Menalque]

sure would be nice if we had a VC right about now

[Menalque]

Unless you're VERY confident on them being scum then eliminating them is objectivly dumb. If we vote one off then the next dies at night (and the last is possibly left unconfirmed depending on whether the hammer is a quickhammer or not) we used our vote to lose 2 confirmed town (and a 3 person masonary is likely going to be a material part of our prs).

If you are very confident on them being scum then hard push for them to reveal the third, then factor it in looking for interactions between the three of them to decide if they are all groupscum that claimed it rather than going 'I want to kill one now'. Sure, you didn't outright say you wanted to kill one right now so this could be your intention anyway, but it'd like you to spell out your thought process on it whether it is this or something else.

it's more a question of I'm not sure I'm confident enough in them collectively town to let scum bring all 3 of them to lylo by the end of the game and then have to decide if they are scum fake claiming together or genuinely miller masons. I'm undecided where I'm coming down on the question, but I don't think it's a horrible take to say that resolving that ambiguity and forcing scum to kill there (and not on other PRs) is a good thing to do earlier rather than later UNLESS there is a high level of consensus that this is definitely town/town-aligned 3p

[Menalque]

nero are you still scumreading me

also, thanks Titus

[Menalque]

@ mena sure man

*deep sigh*

[Menalque]

@skitter I really wish you were playing in this and not just spectating

[Menalque]

I wholeheartedly believe that dragging days to the deadline doesn't actually help town that much with more information, ESPECIALLY on D1 and ESPECIALLY in fast moving games

what it does, imo, is inundate the thread with noise that makes it hard to find the important posts to find scum. plus, the added negative that it tends to lead to more town apathy with a lack of flips and action and endless back and forhts

I think it's much more pro-town on D1 to find a slot that seems scummy, run them up, get their flip and then proceed from there on D2 with the added benefit of being able to start looking at VCA and being able to use NKA

[Menalque]

it's more a question of I'm not sure I'm confident enough in them collectively town to let scum bring all 3 of them to lylo by the end of the game and then have to decide if they are scum fake claiming together or genuinely miller masons. I'm undecided where I'm coming down on the question, but I don't think it's a horrible take to say that resolving that ambiguity and forcing scum to kill there (and not on other PRs) is a good thing to do earlier rather than later UNLESS there is a high level of consensus that this is definitely town/town-aligned 3p

I normally agree but waiting here makes sense from your thought process no? We have the time to wait until almost-Lylo, in which case if you still think all 3 of us are scum gambiting you can elim one of us and head to lylo with a conftown.

the problem is that as lylo grows closer people become less willing to make clarifying policy Guillos and tend to feel more pressure to pursue their top SR

[Menalque]

I think it's much more pro-town on D1 to find a slot that seems scummy, run them up, get their flip and then proceed from there on D2 with the added benefit of being able to start looking at VCA and being able to use NKA

I don't think it's possible to lynch mafia d1 in a game this size unless most of them are afk

maybe not, but if so then you really might as well get the flip done and move on, no?

[Menalque]

I wholeheartedly believe that dragging days to the deadline doesn't actually help town that much with more information, ESPECIALLY on D1 and ESPECIALLY in fast moving games

what it does, imo, is inundate the thread with noise that makes it hard to find the important posts to find scum. plus, the added negative that it tends to lead to more town apathy with a lack of flips and action and endless back and forhts

I think it's much more pro-town on D1 to find a slot that seems scummy, run them up, get their flip and then proceed from there on D2 with the added benefit of being able to start looking at VCA and being able to use NKA

gamma seems scummy here?

scummy enough, sure

I'd also be fine with Taylor or plus, the important thing is to pick one, build up consensus votes and get that claim/flip

[Menalque]

1615 is Good Posting but utterly NAI

[Menalque]

that's @Titus

[Menalque]

also @Samantha I guess, fuck, people, this is not hard

[Menalque]

you can pretend to scumhunt better than this menal. ive seen you do it. although you did push plus there too.

funny, given that all the evidence points towards you having no clue how to distinguish between scum!me and town!me and yet you still feel confident to call me scum here

[Menalque]

if Taylor is actually claiming the third miller mason then I strongly support a Taylor guillotine today to confirm whether the miller masons are actually town or not

[Menalque]

Is this Gamma being Gamma?

no it's gamma being scum

[Menalque]

Menalque is in the scumread only section.

do tell gamma, why am I scum

[Menalque]

Your thing about "finally getting to vote me out" after Pokemon Ruby is stinky garbage, and does not come from a town perspective at all. You seem like scum who got excited at the prospect of getting revenge.

why is it more likely that it's scum!me excited at getting revenge than town!me fucking around? why doesn't it come from a town perspective?

[Menalque]

It comes off as the circumstances of that game are replicated and you're happy to be able to vote me out this time rather than what happened the last time.

That heavily suggests you are not town, and have reason to think I am.

I don't see how it comes off that way at all, actually. How does it come off as that rather than me shitposting?

[Menalque]

DAE GAMMA TOO EZ??? MAYB TOWN???

DAE GAMMA TOO EZ??? MAYB TOWN???

DAE GAMMA TOO EZ??? MAYB TOWN???

[Menalque]

Choo Choo motherfuckers, we still need 3 votes to get this milk

[Menalque]

the post about the l-word didn't really feel like it was actually intended to do anything other than look helpful

Can we please shut this line down asap. As previously stated, it has nothing to do with Flopz's role, and suggesting he's fabricating it due to a scum agenda is just, please no.

~Buttercup

this. stop it if you're trying to make out that flopz was posting that because of alignment.

[Menalque]

Yeah, looking at that VC.
I think Gamma Emerald is the choice for me. Happy to end the day with their elimination.

why you got to go and make scummy af posts like this while I'm TRing u norway

[Menalque]

you know superbowl, I like the cut of your jib

I'm disappointed I couldn't misguillo you because that would have been fun, but nevertheless

[Menalque]

^but don’t you feel like this is a convo for post-game or another thread? You’re the #1 elim option for today, shouldn’t you have bigger fish to fry

Yeah that's fair, but when I'm asked about my reasons for my BH vote I am gonna mention that. I can't really save something for post-game if I'm constantly pressed on it.

So you think that was AI?????? Are you hi?

No, but he’s scum so now he’s locked into pretending that he thinks it is

[Menalque]

I really really don’t believe gamma’s “I have one proper scumread and it’s mena” in conjunction with the actual reasons he’s given for scumreading me when pressed on it, I think it’s made up to look like he’s hunting based on something he thought was pushable and that he’s scum

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Omg omg omg hi morning

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Top 3 town, top 3 scum pls morning

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Let me put this out now, this will be expanded on later. I have 3 sets of "will vote" brackets in this game.

One for scumreads, one for people who I don't townread and I think voting them out improves game health, and one that is the intersection between those two

. Originally BH was in the second bracket listed there, but they've moved into the third at this point. I'll eventually put out where all of my scumread/acceptable votes our within this, but for now I'll say MM is in the scumreads that improve game health if they're eliminated, and

Menalque is in the scumread only section

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Sorry, let me correct: I am the only scumread who is strong enough to be in section 1 despite you not considering me bad for game health — better?

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@Menalque still wrong. The fact you try to minimize me like that is not okay, either.

How is it wrong

Also what do you even mean “try to minimise” you?

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town
1. Nero Cain
2. Mastina
3. honestly probably jjh cause in addition to me thinking he's town, ive heard his scum play is really different

Not me?

o(╥﹏╥)o

Be honest, are you scum morning?

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Also if gamma actually flips red yall are gonna have a lotttttttt of explaining to do

dont forget that youre scum with gamma, youre supposed to be defending him.

How funny would it be if the scumteam is Taylor, A50, gamma, and superbowl and taylor is getting pissed because superbowl is going off script and bussing gamma instead of trying to save him

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no one seems to want to go for menal despite people stating scumreads.

guess I'm not the only one who noticed this
tbh I have felt like we've been in sync in a creepy way this game

With those people beeeeeeing?

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town
1. Nero Cain
2. Mastina
3. honestly probably jjh cause in addition to me thinking he's town, ive heard his scum play is really different

Not me?

o(╥﹏╥)o

Be honest, are you scum morning?

Was that the hidden metric u were using?

Why should I townread you, Mena? (´･ω･`)

I noted that you were less present and solvey than I was used to but that was like only for the first 24 hours -- pretty sure I saw a big ol readslist somewhere while I was reading.

i'm aware that you have a good scumgame and i haven't seen it yet. we need to get some mindmelding going before we form our townbloc. I just haven't felt the Gamma wagon click for me yet, he reminds me heavily of my previous games w/ him. A50 mentioned earlier that Gamma hasn't played to his scum meta or done his scum tell or whatever and DDL also shared the sentiment that he isn't any different from usual. Your response was to add them to the scumbin.

~Morning

N-no. I have, like, a whole bunch of ways to sort you and stuff!

Ehhh idk, I /probably/ wouldn’t be quite so obvscummy to draw attention to myself at the start of the game? But meh. I think I’m being fairly solvey but yeah, I don’t think there are great reasons to TR me yet. What do you think that means in relation to the people who are townreading me (like mastina, for instance)?

Also, yeah, don’t expect Full Mena(tm) this game — I’ve started a master’s and there have been some developments in my personal life since we last played and those are eating fairly significantly into my game budget. Plus I just played a scumgame and that generally leaves me a little burned out

What do you think about my point of gamma’s scumread on me not being really based on anything at all despite him presenting it as one of his more substantial reads? Do you think town!gamma really sees me shitposting about getting revenge for a game that happened well over a year ago (my second scumgame on site) and thinks that it’s a solid indicator of scum!me that I’m bragging about getting to misguillotine him now? Personally I think that’s significantly less competent than what I’d expect from gamma, and that divergence between what I think he would believe if he was being genuine and actually solving and engaging with posts vs what he’s saying he believes is why I think he’s scum.

Actually, untrue on the final two points — I called ddl out as possible scum very early on, and I’m townresding A50 and have been for a while

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Scum: Gamma Emerald, Menalque, Taylor Swift

I assume these are mage’s reads, yes?

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Wait actually never mind.
Maybe she just knows gamma is town.

Mena’s Interpretation of that is whack.

Hm?

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if Gamma isn't happening i'd vote there.

No, no, gamma is still happening, put your vote back please

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@Mena When I say you're minimizing me, I mean that you're attempting to reduce things down to something they're not. You're not my only scumread/person in that bracket, and I never said as much. You trying to suggest that is trying to make it look like I've done less than I have.

Okay, link me to where you’ve elaborated more on who else is in there then or explain the rest of your scumreads now

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Who exactly are the people who don’t want to go for me despite stating scumreads that gamma and Taylor are wittering on about

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Because that’s sounding a looooooot like bullshit to me

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I’m not convinced. I think gamma is generally an intelligent player, I really struggle to see him looking at that post from me in good faith and thinking “yes, this is scum!mena bragging to thread for ??? (Purely ego?) reasons about how he can get my flip today”. I cannot see how gamma is seeing scum motivation there especially as when pressed he made it specifically about what I said AROUND my vote, not just about the vote itself.

And then when pressed on it (where, if he were town, I think he’d realise it’s not an alignment indicative thing for me to have done, maybe even slightly town indicative unless he thinks I’m exceptionally cheeky as scum) he doesn’t critically think about what it means for my alignment, he doubles down on I in a very weak way

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independently. I think Menalque is objectively the scummiest player in the game, but I'm harbouring a bit of a crush on him, so would happily look elsewhere if I could. Also Menalque is the sort of player I don't really want to mis-elim on Day 1 in this game.

Uh

Thank you? I think

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Also, err, why do you think I’m scum, BM?

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Also, err, why do you think I’m scum, BM?

mostly gut feeling

I’m the “objectively scummiest slot in the game” based on gut feeling?

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I’d also be surprisingly okay with a CFD on april

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Who exactly are the people who don’t want to go for me despite stating scumreads that gamma and Taylor are wittering on about

I can find this if this is a legitimate question

It is

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I’d also be surprisingly okay with a CFD on april

How

I would just claim investigative.

And then we’d flip you anyway because we’d know scum you would always claim an investigative, it’d be fun, just like old times

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I agree with regards to there being no reason to eliminate Mena on D1 of a game like this. We'll get plenty of content from him as we go on, just like mastina. it would be a shame to lose that regardless of his alignment, and we can make a more informed decision later

oh also, you'll have to beat me to him!! my crush on Mena is bigger than urs (^∀^)

*blushing intensifies*

Also, I’m reading what you’re saying about gamma, morning, and I’ll think about it overnight and see how I feel about it in the morning, rn I’m still not sold

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Also, err, why do you think I’m scum, BM?

mostly gut feeling

I’m the “objectively scummiest slot in the game” based on gut feeling?

yep that's just how i feel man

Checks out, okay I think MM probably town

Alternatively, could be scum very interested in pocketing me but if so I’m okay with that for a few days

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I think April goes down into the “actual scumreads” pool

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i'll be the first to call an April-Taylor-Gamma scumteam.

Huh, now would you look at that

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I know, but still, it’s making me feel better about town!you

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Well if Taylor is scum, then the masons aren't real. So we'll have to look at Gamma and April first.

A50 said she was fakeclaiming it

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In what world am I ever scum here with zero agency in the game

oh no, it’s starting

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Surprisingly, gamma is totally fine with it

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Funny that

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Hmm

I'm not sure my new lazy playstyle is gonna work so well with large themes

I think I'm gonna need to parse everyone at the weekend

HOWEVER
VOTE: Menalque

come hang menalque

VOTE: menalque

it's a wagon

this is what I've seen up through page 30 or so just by using the thread search with the term "menalque". It's less than I thought but enough that the lack of momentum there concerns me.

Only two of those people retracted those reads and only half of MM scumreads me and they’ve just been talking about how they’re not interested in me on D1 despite the presence of a SR or the lack thereof

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What the fuck are you two talking about @Super Bowl @nero

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Schadd can you make a statement or something beyond just “good” telling people not to fucking use “lynch” when talking about eliminating someone

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Did it happen more than once?

Did what happen more than once?

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Read 1615 if that was in reference to what I just said to schadd

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Okay my role is like, the worst imaginable that could be assigned to jjh927

Funny, my role is, like, the best imaginable that could be assigned to mastina.

Bullet-Proof Godfather??

Nah, I'm not a good enough scum player to have any scum role be the best role.

Oh, hm

I think I might know what you’re getting at here mastina

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1973 also Good Posting and NAI

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Wanna hear something spicy? I’ve changed my mind on Taylor and now she’s a fairly strong TR

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@taylor do you have any completed scumgames?

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Yes, she does https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84282

Anyway, I don’t think scum!tsylor is capable of replicating the thought processes that she’s been displaying here, wildly wrong though they may be

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Also, it's clear from your join date you haven't been modding games for 4-5 years.

He mods on “boonskies”

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Tbh I really need a place where I can ramble away from the thread so if anyone's a neighborizer please target me

This would require you not dying today tho

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Double I, Boonskiies, plural form is Boonski’i.

I thought it looked a little wrong, my bad G

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Who’s Morning Mage? BM and who?

The delightful Morning Tweet

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Can we flip this instead

VOTE: april

Choo choo?

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Idk why but I’m finding BM’s posts here outrageously funny

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Mastina, why did bell move up?

Also why is echo so low, and why is TGP near locktown?

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VOTE: gamma

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Gamma’s town

Only one way to find out!

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Gamma’s town

Only one way to find out!

I don’t need to find out, I have a soul read.

*sigh intensifies*

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Fascinating

Gamma gets run up

>attempted CW on norwee
>attempted CW on ban hydras
>attempted CW on samantha!slot

i n t e r e s t i n g

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madrid dude?

mmm? Yeah, why?

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Isn’t BM that guy with two letters in his name who won Don Corleone?

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if samantha flips town, im down with gamma tomorrow - deal?

Eh, okay

VOTE: samantha

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Bc BM wants to cut a deal and do sam today first, which I’m fine with

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That wasn't a valid replace request for sam. Stop acting like it's certain.

She made it p obv she’s repping out

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so like when Gamma was doing his first "catchup" it was highly fluffy and I think that's in line with Gamma's scum play so I had a gut reaction there. The wagon speed does bother me a bit though I guess its not impossible that a bunch of town just game together but then....that seems kinda unlikely to me. I am not really town reading Gamma but then I don't know if I am scum reading him either.

i'm in the same boat with nero about the gamma wagon, aside from his first catch up bc i don't really know nor care how gamma usually acts
but yeah i'm not town reading nor scum reading gamma
i think i said that before but idk
i don't really know why gamma's so heavily scum read either if i'm being brutally honest
i'm reading all this shit but it's all shit and nothing's really sticking because it's all zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

It’s fine just vote Samantha that’s who we’re flipping today

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echo, just vote sam with us

What has samantha done that's scummy

Stuff, mostly

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Nah I actually think superbowl looks fine even if sam does flip red @BM

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You can ask Almost50 what happens when I’m more trolly early game then come out late game.

Do you do anything besides self meta?

Well yes but actually no

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Nah I actually think superbowl looks fine even if sam does flip red @BM

They actually look better if Sam flips red.

They look TMI here if Sam flips green.

No

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I think April goes down into the “actual scumreads” pool

mena i'm gonna fucking shit myself

Friend, it sounds as though you need to find a bathroom posthaste!

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In what world am I ever scum here with zero agency in the game

oh no, it’s starting

it started on her first post
all of her posts have been "come on you know i wouldn't do this as scum"
there's been no content from april
bad slot
VOTE: april

True, but equally, hear me out — if Sam is scum, April is less likely to be scum. If Sam is town, think about how much easier it will be to do April tomorrow or on D3, rather than fighting a long uphill battle to try and do her today

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Bell, why aren’t you voting

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Hi mist!

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Bc posting reminds us how scummy u are

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Why is mason partners disagreeing significant?

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Oh, also

VOTE: gamma

Sorry @BM I was enjoying our spot of horse trading but looks like even with that gamma has more votes

I’ll back you on Sam!slot tomorrow if this does green tho

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Also, basically everything mastina posted while I was asleep

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Nah it’s like G-4 or something mist, you can definitely vote him

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Nah nah it’s like G-5 I think, we can get a few more votes on gamma no worries

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okay who wants a townread in:

(diamondsentinel, shelly, April, morning mage, a50, ddl, TGP, Taylor, jjh, vecna, bell)

there are two available!

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Are replacements not being tracked in the OP

Also I’m very concerned that TGP flipped his read after I noted what I did about him before

Based the fact I’ve been intented though, I should claim.
I’m a Novice Alien.

this is a scumclaim lol

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just poweryeet gamma, I don't believe that claim at all

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just poweryeet gamma, I don't believe that claim at all

?

doesn't particularly move the needle for me either way

what's your issue with it

given what else has been revealed about the setup I find gamma's claim deeply unbelievable, I don't think it gels well at all

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it's also, like, an incredibly convenient claim for scum to make that doesn't tie them into anything too hard but is potentially a strong enough claim to buy them a day

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POWERYEET TIME BAY-BEE

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POWERYEET

POWERYEET

say it with me now

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where dem two more votes at, I want a flip before I get home from the market

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intent to l-1

why declare intent for l1
why not just do it

to get a claim before an inevitably quick hammer in a large game
VOTE: gamma

C’mon, who would quickhammer something imme-

okay who wants a townread in:

(diamondsentinel, shelly, April, morning mage, a50, ddl, TGP, Taylor, jjh, vecna, bell)

there are two available!

I don’t need your townread. I just need your vote on BH.

Also, @mod you are objectively wrong.

Why not Gamma? Are you townreading him?

Being annoyed with BH is not a good enough reason to stop the EoD.

No. I have a null read on gamma.

But whatever. I'll sheep the town. It's apparent any other option is a fool's errand.

VOTE: Gamma