mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Morning Mage]

...all those posts were from Morning....

[Morning Mage]

claim daycop

VOTE: taylor swift

this guy has a point!

VOTE: taylor swift

[Morning Mage]

claim daycop

VOTE: taylor swift

what's a day cop help newbie queue doesn't have daycop
is it just cop that can get a result during the day

also why do you claim that here, afaik you only hard claim d1 on things that fuck with investigatives

i claim all the time always. My better half reserves the right to rescind any exaggerated claims I make.

[Morning Mage]

Raise your hand if you don't believe BM.

[raises hand]

diamond out of the blocks early with a defence of taylor. one caught?

[Morning Mage]

norwegian why didn't you place an rvs vote

Because i want to just be cute this game.

you so cuuuuuuuute <3

[Morning Mage]

Raise your hand if you don't believe BM.

[raises hand]

diamond out of the blocks early with a defence of taylor. one caught?

Defense of taylor? Nah, fuck that. I will never defend T Swizzle. I just 100% don't believe you're a daycop.

oh no, you're an alt aren't you?

[Morning Mage]

Raise your hand if you don't believe BM.

[raises hand]

diamond out of the blocks early with a defence of taylor. one caught?

Defense of taylor? Nah, fuck that. I will never defend T Swizzle. I just 100% don't believe you're a daycop.

I don't believe it either.
We have so much in common.

love is in the air. 2 scum down, how many more?

[Morning Mage]

why dont u use ur main account?

[Morning Mage]

why dont u use ur main account?

Too busy hiding from the media.

are you an ego player?

[Morning Mage]

why dont u use ur main account?

Too busy hiding from the media.

are you an ego player?

Hmm?

do you believe you are really great and everyone should listen to you?

[Morning Mage]

ahhhhhh im very confused here. morning is always to be townread, but BM is always to be scumread. now that theyre hydraing i think i have to townread them but hardpush them anyway.

VOTE: morning mage

lazy OMGUS vote, and also hedging her bets when we flip town. Defo Taylor scum here. NEXT

[Morning Mage]

I'm deathtunneling you if you don't pick an avatar, MOrning Mage.

~Buttercup

I would also like an avatar, but i dont make the plays on this team!

[Morning Mage]

Alright monkey, we both know my scumread on you is inevitable, let’s get this over with

VOTE: a50

ah, we meet again, i am pleased.

[Morning Mage]

are either of you going to sign your posts. Please tell me one of you will

~Buttercup

Morning probably will? It's fairly obvious which is which. My posts will be complete crap tunnelling, and hers will be rational and considered scumhunting. Believe me, you'll notice the difference.

[Morning Mage]

I heard its day 1

yeah, don't bother right now, stuff's boring. I'll PM you when we're on day 5 and it gets good

~Buttercup

i dont even know who buttercup is, so signing as that doesnt tell me much anyway

[Morning Mage]

disappointed by low posting by Ban Hydras so far - 3 ppl but not top poster?

[Morning Mage]

buttercup sounds like a derogoratory term when i want to devalue a woman's opinion :S

disgraceful sexism.

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: tayl0r

is that because she is a woman?

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: tayl0r

is that because she is a woman?

yes of course channing tatum

channing tatum?

[Morning Mage]

are either of you going to sign your posts. Please tell me one of you will

~Buttercup

implicitly yes. BM will make shitty posts, while morning will make cute posts and use emojis.

it's all relative! i'm certain that compared to yours, my posts will be positively insightful.

[Morning Mage]

im most looking forward to pages upon pages of me debating with my better half about who is scum.

[Morning Mage]

I am a vanilla townie

and EchoVision is mafia

VOTE: EchoVision

good claim. 50% of my slot believes it

[Morning Mage]

hello

how can I tell who the hydras are cause I'm voting them

Taylor Swift is a hydra.

[Morning Mage]

guys I'm town I promise

i think you can be modkilled for this.

[Morning Mage]

i've sr this slot every game, eventually I'll be right
VOTE: taylor

great post! locktown!

[Morning Mage]

I am a vanilla townie

and EchoVision is mafia

VOTE: EchoVision

OBJECTION ! !

Claiming Vanilla town?! And your avatar is the main villain from AA Trials and Tribulations?
This cannot go by unnoticed.
VOTE: Samantha97

bad take, VT claim is solid

[Morning Mage]

??????

So in post 45 you call a post that hasn't been written yet bad?

how can you question my methods when you see the genius of my results?

trolls always come off as useless and scummy but that was clearly a joke

taylor isnt useless

[Morning Mage]

i've sr this slot every game, eventually I'll be right
VOTE: taylor

great post! locktown!

pog

i dont know what that means!

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: Morning Mage

trying to get me modkilled is anti town

i tried to save you from being modkilled. breaking the rules is definitely the most anti-town, unless you are scum. Therefore you must be scum.

Game solved, I'm out!

[Morning Mage]

??????

So in post 45 you call a post that hasn't been written yet bad?

how can you question my methods when you see the genius of my results?

trolls always come off as useless and scummy but that was clearly a joke

taylor isnt useless

I was talking about Hectic

Hectic really isn't useless!

[Morning Mage]

i've sr this slot every game, eventually I'll be right
VOTE: taylor

wrong. i specifically bribe the mod every time we are in a game together to make me town. in fact, if you ever replace in and im scum, my alignment will change.

i also suspect this is against site policy

[Morning Mage]

i've sr this slot every game, eventually I'll be right
VOTE: taylor

great post! locktown!

pog

i dont know what that means!

Play of the game.
- Google

wrong
im actually semi serious on taylor. quoting a post this early seems high effort which I didn't see when they were town.

semi serious or serious semi?

[Morning Mage]

I mean, it does kinda gimmie weird vibes that Mage calls DS scum for defending Taylor but then when he kinda misrep/misunderstands me he

DEFENDS

Taylor

you mean?

i will sometimes defend taylor, especially when she is taken advantage of by strong players. i feel it is my duty as an old hand. However, I will never hesitate to flip her for reasons which have already become clear.

[Morning Mage]

Hectic really isn't useless!

i mean, we each have our own opinions guy. I've played with Hectic a few times and he just seems to troll wich I don't think is very useful unless he's a pr and does it to avoid getting shot.

i have played with hectic once or twice
he talks some sense and is generally nice

[Morning Mage]

fyi i know:
bell
april
hectic
menal
taylor
norwee
and echo

you know me too, but you're too ashamed to admit it

[Morning Mage]

are either of you going to sign your posts. Please tell me one of you will

~Buttercup

implicitly yes. BM will make shitty posts, while morning will make cute posts and use emojis.

it's all relative! i'm certain that compared to yours, my posts will be positively insightful.

im most looking forward to pages upon pages of me debating with my better half about who is scum.

assuming you're the other one who's gonna be cutesy and use dope?

that's what you consider to be cute?

[Morning Mage]

fyi i know:
bell
april
hectic
menal
taylor
norwee
and echo

you know me too, but you're too ashamed to admit it

who?

you

[Morning Mage]

I am a vanilla townie

and EchoVision is mafia

VOTE: EchoVision

her join date was in 2011 no way she doesn't know what she's talking about

yes join dates reflect wisdom

especially when she is taken advantage of by strong players

im taking advantage of her?

i laughed that you questioned that, but not the "strong player" bit.

[Morning Mage]

that's what you consider to be cute?

That emoji is disgusting.

be disgusted

[Morning Mage]

pog is a twitch chat emoji btw norwee. it means hype. Not to be confused with pawg, which means phat ass white girl.

you're right on both counts!

[Morning Mage]

oh im sorry thats right
morning does those cute emojis

you love it!

[Morning Mage]

Guys, anyone that uses THAT "thing" as an emoji regurarly cannot be human. Nor a good member from town.

"guys" to appeal to majority? whoops, a scumslip this early mon ami?

[Morning Mage]

im scum

scum claim?
VOTE: plusjoyed

i missed this, but consider that conclusive.

VOTE: pludjoyed

[Morning Mage]

are either of you going to sign your posts. Please tell me one of you will

~Buttercup

implicitly yes. BM will make shitty posts, while morning will make cute posts and use emojis.

it's all relative! i'm certain that compared to yours, my posts will be positively insightful.

im most looking forward to pages upon pages of me debating with my better half about who is scum.

assuming you're the other one who's gonna be cutesy and use emojis? dope

no the emojis morning uses are unicode

alright there's no need for that, it's just a game!

[Morning Mage]

Oh cool more people I know joined after I did
ngl I mostly forgot about this
Baldur's gate is making other things easy to forget

I'd like to take a moment to clarify to a few players in particular that my playstyle has now become considerably more efficient, in that I will still find scum for you but I'm not as likely to put in the effort to tell you why they are scum, and you shouldn't expect me to hyperpost like I used to. I have a job now and that means I have less time, but I still have the same number of things that get to conflict with me playing mafia. On an unrelated note, back to Baldur's gate.

i can respect this. im sure others won't...

[Morning Mage]

Oh cool more people I know joined after I did
ngl I mostly forgot about this
Baldur's gate is making other things easy to forget

I'd like to take a moment to clarify to a few players in particular that my playstyle has now become considerably more efficient, in that I will still find scum for you but I'm not as likely to put in the effort to tell you why they are scum, and you shouldn't expect me to hyperpost like I used to. I have a job now and that means I have less time, but I still have the same number of things that get to conflict with me playing mafia. On an unrelated note, back to Baldur's gate.

oh isnt baldurs gate in early access now? is it worth playing now or should I wait?
I'm very hyped to that game

or you're very poged/pawged?

[Morning Mage]

i can respect this. im sure others won't...

true
VOTE: jjh927

oh isnt baldurs gate in early access now? is it worth playing now or should I wait?
I'm very hyped to that game

only the first chapter is out, I'm avoiding it cause I don't wanna get burned out

i'll partake, before i hand over the reins to my more capable teammate VOTE: jjh927

[Morning Mage]

im also calling a 200 page day 1.

ugh, i hope not. i miss the days of games which only spanned 20 pages in their entirety.

[Morning Mage]

also with 23 players it just about has to be multiball, yes?
i don't leave newbie queue, i've never played a newbie game with multiball

welcome to the big leagues kid only joking!!

[Morning Mage]

also i forgot Titus was in this game! should be good fun!

night everybody, Morning will be here soon.

[Morning Mage]

Hi Bell hi Hectic hi Hopkirk hi Vecna hi BM >ω< hi almost hi Superbowl hi Mena hi Gamma hi Tayl0r hi

*gasp*

hi jjh927 hi Titus hi Norwe hi Plus and hi DrDoLittle !!

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

also with 23 players it just about has to be multiball, yes?
i don't leave newbie queue, i've never played a newbie game with multiball

If it does turn out to be multiball this is probably an important post that most likely turns Echo into an IC. Really really doubt that scum would bring it up and pretend to speculate on that shit.

I lean towards agreeing with this

i can respect this. im sure others won't...

true
VOTE: jjh927

oh isnt baldurs gate in early access now? is it worth playing now or should I wait?
I'm very hyped to that game

only the first chapter is out, I'm avoiding it cause I don't wanna get burned out

Weird post. Not being cool with JJH playing BG as an excuse, but being fine with talking about it as content?

Chris is coming off as sort of awkward to me so far but idk if that's telling yet

Spoiler: Chris ISO

hello

how can I tell who the hydras are cause I'm voting them

nevermind I see it

VOTE: Ban Hydras

guys I'm town I promise

wat

VOTE: Morning Mage

trying to get me modkilled is anti town

hmmm (*ﾉωﾉ)

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

pog is a twitch chat emoji btw norwee. it means hype. Not to be confused with pawg, which means phat ass white girl.

Joyed seems to be played a lot more hyper than what im used to. Very present and engaged. Probably a good thing

yet another Vecna post I agree with. I thought Plus seemed a little more try-ey than i usually see

Is this going to be another one of those 50 page D1s?

Also whoever said shelly has a high post count just wait until you see Nero and Norway argue....

i think ur shooting a bit low.

Just

50 pages?

im also calling a 200 page day 1.

ugh, i hope not. i miss the days of games which only spanned 20 pages in their entirety.

You've posted 50 times silly!!!

assuming you're the other one who's gonna be cutesy and use emojis? dope

no the emojis morning uses are unicode

yup! we're both emotive, just in our own different ways (´･ω･`)

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Hectic really isn't useless!

i mean, we each have our own opinions guy. I've played with Hectic a few times and he just seems to troll wich I don't think is very useful unless he's a pr and does it to avoid getting shot.

Hectic's reads are pretty consistently fantastic imo. He called the entire scumteam on page 5 of my purgatory run, and barely deviated from that solve at all

No pressure though Hectic (･`ω´･)

im most looking forward to pages upon pages of me debating with my better half about who is scum.

(・・；)

are either of you going to sign your posts. Please tell me one of you will

~Buttercup

implicitly yes. BM will make shitty posts, while morning will make cute posts and use emojis.

hahahahaha

buttercup sounds like a derogoratory term when i want to devalue a woman's opinion :S

I think the name is supposed to be ironic or something because she's a tomboy idk

ahhhhhh im very confused here. morning is always to be townread, but BM is always to be scumread. now that theyre hydraing i think i have to townread them but hardpush them anyway.

VOTE: morning mage

yin and yang

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Lots of natural feeling early posting....right up until this tryhard fake sounding stuff.

hot take: scum Vecna is upset that I was poo-pooing a Mage and DS wagons.

I don't see why scum!Vecna is more likely to care about you shutting down those wagons than town!Vecna is. Although it could be I'm just thinking too small. I suppose you could be interpreting this as a chainsaw

ehhhh......not really in love with 49 but I'm not all that certain this makes him scum. Ds is ???? Like you could maybe ascribe some scum motivation to throwing doubt on a cop claim

Lots of natural feeling early posting....right up until this tryhard fake sounding stuff.

I mean, it is a lot of RVS sounding stuff until here where you say something more serious than the posts before. I don't have a particular opinion on whether it sounds fake or not, although I can see why Vecna would think so.

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Is this going to be another one of those 50 page D1s?

Also whoever said shelly has a high post count just wait until you see Nero and Norway argue....

is this username super bowl or superb owl
depending on the response i have a follow up question, then possibly a vote

I was trying to be a bowl of soup but misspelled it

well that answers that
VOTE: superbowl

i wish the story had been he was going for "superbowel" to reflect an exceptionally high level of continence.

[Morning Mage]

hey Morning-side, who is scum? who we voting? what should i check out?

[Morning Mage]

Man, dont be saying you got respect for hyper-posting, it makes me wanna go and compete

pfft bring it on!

[Morning Mage]

Also, we caught up with Morning hydra at 54 posts, yay! I might have to tag out for Buttercup now. I should get some sleep, lots of work tomorrow on those accounts.

-Blossom

dw, I got this on lock

~Buttercup

nice work!

[Morning Mage]

Well, Taylor is clearly a gimmick alt. nothing they've said has been particularly great

Agree

[Morning Mage]

Well, Taylor is clearly a gimmick alt. nothing they've said has been particularly great

Agree

She's not a gimmick alt

~Buttercup

I think that is incorrect

[Morning Mage]

so Echo is town huh? okey dokey.

[Morning Mage]

Well, Taylor is clearly a gimmick alt. nothing they've said has been particularly great

Agree

She's not a gimmick alt

~Buttercup

I think that is incorrect

I know for a fact that it is not

~Buttercup

Perhaps you are mistaken

[Morning Mage]

I can't believe the triple-headed hydra is not most prolific poster in this game. needs to up the stakes!

[Morning Mage]

Well, Taylor is clearly a gimmick alt. nothing they've said has been particularly great

Agree

She's not a gimmick alt

~Buttercup

I think that is incorrect

I know for a fact that it is not

~Buttercup

Perhaps you are mistaken

I am certain I am not

~Buttercup

I believe you may wish to re-consider your position on this matter

[Morning Mage]

but Vecna knows that I play the game so Vecna calling my post try hard doesn't seem to make sense from a town Vecna mindset. I'm not saying that I made 27 with the intention of halting RJVS but me throwing out actual game content and Vecna going "GAME CONTENT BAD!" does seems to serve the purpose of wanting us to stay in a fluff contenless game, no?

I like your idea here-- yeah, you were giving out game content and I can follow that Vecna might be trying to punish that. I don't think Vecna is scum for it yet but I do think you're arguing this from a good place

if taylor is a gimmick alt they've been using it a lot.
I'm gently leaning towards a town!nero atm. If he was scum I think he'd have ducked and hid from the early SR's on him. He's also going against the grain/gamestate a bit imo with the anti-hectic feels.

She's not an alt. i'm like 90% sure

I *think* I read a Nero game where he was less emotional/aggressive and more on the sidelines. He was a 1-shot scum BP in that one. Someone in that game pointed out he played pretty distinctly different as scum. Makes me inclined to think he's on his town meta right now

Hi Bell hi Hectic hi Hopkirk hi Vecna hi BM >ω< hi almost hi Superbowl hi Mena hi Gamma hi Tayl0r hi

*gasp*

hi jjh927 hi Titus hi Norwe hi Plus and hi DrDoLittle !!

~Morning

hi

do you like my new emoji? I thought it looked awkward and a little weird at first but it actually gives off just the right amount of friendliness. Friendly but not TOO friendly, after all some of us are horrible scum and we have to be careful with who we're friendly to

~Buttercup

It's certainly better than the "Giggling" one. That one gives me nightmares.

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

my pagetop

[Morning Mage]

my pagetop

[Morning Mage]

nailed it first time....

[Morning Mage]

I can't believe the triple-headed hydra is not most prolific poster in this game. needs to up the stakes!

It takes a lot more than a couple of cheap shots to make us cry.

I can guarantee we'll be top poster by the end of this day

~Buttercup

you should have 50% more posts than any other player to maintain any shred of credibility.

[Morning Mage]

hey Morning-side, who is scum? who we voting? what should i check out?

Vecna, Nero, Echo, maybe Plus all look good to me so far. Who is scum.... i'll have to get back to you on that.

I can't believe the triple-headed hydra is not most prolific poster in this game. needs to up the stakes!

It takes a lot more than a couple of cheap shots to make us cry.

I can guarantee we'll be top poster by the end of this day

~Buttercup

Oh god oh fuck don't make this a competition guys. This is like a speedrun to see how fast we can convince the thread to policy the hydras

Oh, I guess you three aren't huge fans of hydras. i see what ur doing. i wont fall for it

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

but Vecna knows that I play the game so Vecna calling my post try hard doesn't seem to make sense from a town Vecna mindset. I'm not saying that I made 27 with the intention of halting RJVS but me throwing out actual game content and Vecna going "GAME CONTENT BAD!" does seems to serve the purpose of wanting us to stay in a fluff contenless game, no?

I like your idea here-- yeah, you were giving out game content and I can follow that Vecna might be trying to punish that. I don't think Vecna is scum for it yet but I do think you're arguing this from a good place

if taylor is a gimmick alt they've been using it a lot.
I'm gently leaning towards a town!nero atm. If he was scum I think he'd have ducked and hid from the early SR's on him. He's also going against the grain/gamestate a bit imo with the anti-hectic feels.

She's not an alt. i'm like 90% sure

definitely a gimmick though. I've figured out the pattern and she's really easy to read now for me.

[Morning Mage]

hey Morning-side, who is scum? who we voting? what should i check out?

Vecna, Nero, Echo, maybe Plus all look good to me so far. Who is scum.... i'll have to get back to you on that.

I can't believe the triple-headed hydra is not most prolific poster in this game. needs to up the stakes!

It takes a lot more than a couple of cheap shots to make us cry.

I can guarantee we'll be top poster by the end of this day

~Buttercup

Oh god oh fuck don't make this a competition guys. This is like a speedrun to see how fast we can convince the thread to policy the hydras

Oh, I guess you three aren't huge fans of hydras. i see what ur doing. i wont fall for it

~Morning

I'm afraid to say, I might fall for it!

As for reads, I'm fine with townblocking those for now I think. I reckon Nero maybe scum though?

[Morning Mage]

but Vecna knows that I play the game so Vecna calling my post try hard doesn't seem to make sense from a town Vecna mindset. I'm not saying that I made 27 with the intention of halting RJVS but me throwing out actual game content and Vecna going "GAME CONTENT BAD!" does seems to serve the purpose of wanting us to stay in a fluff contenless game, no?

I like your idea here-- yeah, you were giving out game content and I can follow that Vecna might be trying to punish that. I don't think Vecna is scum for it yet but I do think you're arguing this from a good place

if taylor is a gimmick alt they've been using it a lot.
I'm gently leaning towards a town!nero atm. If he was scum I think he'd have ducked and hid from the early SR's on him. He's also going against the grain/gamestate a bit imo with the anti-hectic feels.

She's not an alt. i'm like 90% sure

definitely a gimmick though. I've figured out the pattern and she's really easy to read now for me.

Please refrain from using the giggling emoji

~Buttercup

oi, i was putting you over earlier as being generally nice!

[Morning Mage]

I was considering advancing the gamestate but realized I had homework can I just get my townpoints anyways

I can respect this. Townpoints granted.

[Morning Mage]

I was considering advancing the gamestate but realized I had homework can I just get my townpoints anyways

Townbinning this

~Buttercup

ah great minds. Yo Morning-head - add superbowl to the townbloc!

[Morning Mage]

taylor isn't a gimmick alt.
I do think nero is just making themselves LHF, probably not on purpose. The "stop with the fluff and you guys arent funny D:<" isn't something that seems like it'd come from scum. When you make people upset at you they're probably more likely to vote you.

@Hectic, you said you've played with nero. Do you think my thinking on nero has any merit or does nero play like that as either alignment?

I'm not sure you're right on Taylor.

On the more important question of Nero - I'm wondering whether he normally plays so serious at the start? His vibe just felt a little outta step ya know? nothing tangible though

[Morning Mage]

taylor isn't a gimmick alt.
I do think nero is just making themselves LHF, probably not on purpose. The "stop with the fluff and you guys arent funny D:<" isn't something that seems like it'd come from scum. When you make people upset at you they're probably more likely to vote you.

@Hectic, you said you've played with nero. Do you think my thinking on nero has any merit or does nero play like that as either alignment?

I'm not sure you're right on Taylor.

On the more important question of Nero - I'm wondering whether he normally plays so serious at the start? His vibe just felt a little outta step ya know? nothing tangible though

I am sure PlusJOYED is right on Tayl0r

~Buttercup

Do you think Taylor's posts in this game come from a pro-town mindset? Please show your workings.

[Morning Mage]

taylor isn't a gimmick alt.
I do think nero is just making themselves LHF, probably not on purpose. The "stop with the fluff and you guys arent funny D:<" isn't something that seems like it'd come from scum. When you make people upset at you they're probably more likely to vote you.

@Hectic, you said you've played with nero. Do you think my thinking on nero has any merit or does nero play like that as either alignment?

I'm not sure you're right on Taylor.

On the more important question of Nero - I'm wondering whether he normally plays so serious at the start? His vibe just felt a little outta step ya know? nothing tangible though

I am sure PlusJOYED is right on Tayl0r

~Buttercup

Do you think Taylor's posts in this game come from a pro-town mindset? Please show your workings.

She's solely joked around so far, which is NAI

~Buttercup

what do you want to see from her to help sort her slot?

[Morning Mage]

Morning Mage, will you not be using an avatar for this game?!"? T£gwqy gtbf

~Buttercup

i am in favour of using an avatar

[Morning Mage]

Hi guys, I am a mason.

please dont do this, the last time you did this, the game ended up so horrible. #badmemories

[Morning Mage]

Morning Mage, will you not be using an avatar for this game?!"? T£gwqy gtbf

~Buttercup

i am in favour of using an avatar

I don't buy this story one bit. Plot is good and I can see potential for a movie adaptation, but it demands far too much suspension of disbelief in its current state.

~Buttercup

this wasn't an exclusive - i'd already trailed it earlier in this very thread. but i'm just a supporting actor in this one.

[Morning Mage]

what do you want to see from her to help sort her slot?

She'll give reads eventually, I'll sort her on those

~Buttercup

I think this is unlikely. She'll just tunnel me without giving a reason until she flips, as that's her gimmick.

Assuming I'm right, how do you propose to sort her?

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: morning mage imagine not posting on your hydra! gotta be a scumslip <3

Town.

mwahg
VOTE: battle mage

Harooo~
UwU

Town?

anyone who suggests this is scummy, is wrong. it's standard play.

It might be standard play but I still think you're scum from it, anyway.

i made a promise to myself i would ignore stuff like this, as it isn't constructive. keep plugging away though!

[Morning Mage]

taylor isn't a gimmick alt.

you gonna sit there and tell me that if I sign up as Darth Vader that I'm not a gimmick alt?

yes, i'd be convinced you were the real Darth Vader!

what do you want to see from her to help sort her slot?

She'll give reads eventually, I'll sort her on those

~Buttercup

I think this is unlikely. She'll just tunnel me without giving a reason until she flips, as that's her gimmick.

Assuming I'm right, how do you propose to sort her?

She's not a gimmick account. Could you explain your history together? It seems relevant to understanding what you're talking about here. She's had multiple reads and not solely tunneled on one person in the games I've played with her.

~Buttercup

I think it's sufficient to talk hypothetically - if I'm proven wrong, I'll be pleasantly surprised and you'll have been mildly inconvenienced. If I'm right, it'll be helpful to me in sorting you, to see if you stay true to your proposed plan to evaluate her slot.

[Morning Mage]

Hi Bell hi Hectic hi Hopkirk hi Vecna hi BM >ω< hi almost hi Superbowl hi Mena hi Gamma hi Tayl0r hi

*gasp*

hi jjh927 hi Titus hi Norwe hi Plus and hi DrDoLittle !!

~Morning

haha see morning posts are obvious.
hi morning!

haha hi taylor! <3

[Morning Mage]

I for one, am looking forward to 20 pages of Mastina quoting all 400 posts so far and saying "town" next to it.

[Morning Mage]

Nero not getting jokes and pushing them definitely isn't town-indicative, or do you have other reasoning for calling him town, Morning?

~Buttercup

Lol that's not really what I'm trying to get at here:

I *think* I read a Nero game where he was less emotional/aggressive and more on the sidelines. He was a 1-shot scum BP in that one. Someone in that game pointed out he played pretty distinctly different as scum. Makes me inclined to think he's on his town meta right now

I just faintly recall him being less fight-y and more laidback.

taylor isn't a gimmick alt.

you gonna sit there and tell me that if I sign up as Darth Vader that I'm not a gimmick alt?

Oh I understand why tayl0r is perceived as a gimmick now

I do believe this is going to be a game that is impossible to write a catch up post for.
So instead I guess I'll have to skim and just hope for the best.

VOTE: Golden Paradox

Slight scum ping. Could be wrong.

Kind of like this because it's the opposite of tryhard/showy. I guess Bell not trying to explain it seems towny since town doesn't always know how to explain reads but scum mostly just wants to look good

I *think* I read a Nero game where he was less emotional/aggressive and more on the sidelines. He was a 1-shot scum BP in that one. Someone in that game pointed out he played pretty distinctly different as scum. Makes me inclined to think he's on his town meta right now

Can confirm; I know Nero's scum meta and this isn't it.

sweet!

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Hi mastina

Hi, Menalque!

I don't have any real scumreads tho I'll probably give a gut-shot-in-the-dark-basically-rvs-best-guess vote on Battle Mage, and by and large there's less slots that I have reads on than I'd prefer, but I think the game can get much closer to solved by townhunting here. Or in the case of some slots, a scumread on them by virtue of not having a townread on them.

Will give a readslist momentarily to demonstrate it.

Just Battle Mage? what am I, chopped liver? (-ω-)

Spoiler: reads

Titus
Nero Cain
Vecna
samantha97

TheGoldenParadox
jjh927
Almost50
Menalque

DiamondSentinel
Pickaxe Pete
Tayl0r Swift

NorwegianboyEE

April Ludgate
PlusJOYED
Christøpher
Bell
superbowl9
Gamma Emerald
EchoVision
DrDolittle

Ban Hydras

Morning Mage

Locktown, Strong town, Weak town, Lean town, big fat ol' pile of dead-null (I realize this pool is too big, I want help in sorting that area), lean scum, and gut-shot-in-the-dark-basically-rvs-best-guess-at-scum-right-now.

VOTE: Morning Mage
To place a vote down on someone.

woah !!

Why are Titus and samantha on the same tier as Nero and Vecna? That's an actual crime

Oh masonbuddy, of course. And samantha gave you overwhelming town-vibes. i can respect that i suppose

458 Dunno how i feel about early big reads lists as it comes off as a bit Lamist. And some of thos reads seem like they’re just tossed in there.

I have heard mastina likes to make giant wallposts. I wonder if early big ol readslists are also a regular feature of her gameplay. Normally I might agree but I feel like this might be NAI in her meta.

Superbowl is getting talked about a lot. He's more jokey than I remember in our previous game together, I agree with Nero.

The superbowl9 read comes from more or less a very strong overwhelming feeling of gut-town, basically, in thinking overwhelmingly, "I don't see scum doing this, especially not newbscum". That sort of audacity just radiates town to me. I don't have any familiarity with superbowl9, but it's just the sort of thing that feels town. If I were to have a locktown read be wrong, it'd be this one, obviously, but I don't think it is wrong because I think that the call to locktown the slot is justified.

I see. I was unaware that superbowl is newbscum -- but I suppose he hasn't been playing for a while despite the join date.

I am curious, how often do you end up having to overturn your locktowns? Sometimes I get really good feels early but I feel too hesistant to call people fully "locktown" without flips. At the moment, Nero is my closest. i feel very empowered by others saying this is his town meta

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

*wishes for a VC*

Not reading RVS. Playing from here.

I endorse this approach, and will likely do the same.

[Morning Mage]

*wishes for a VC*

Not reading RVS. Playing from here.

and for some reason mastina thinks youre town?

how come you're worried about what mastina thinks? and why you think Titus' post means she isn't town?

[Morning Mage]

How can we solve this game?

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand forums mafia. The posts are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of scum hunting most of the scumtells will go over a typical players head. There's also Nero Cain's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Mafia Scum wiki, for instance. The veteran players understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of this game, to realise that it's not just entertaining- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike mafia truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Battle Mage's ever-present catchphrase "Claim daycop," which itself is a cryptic reference to Mafia scum culture. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as these genius posts unfold themselves on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Mafia Scum tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

you legitimately have a mafiascum tattoo? total respect if this is true.

[Morning Mage]

Titus
Nero Cain
Vecna
samantha97

TheGoldenParadox
jjh927
Almost50
Menalque

DiamondSentinel
Pickaxe Pete
Tayl0r Swift

NorwegianboyEE

April Ludgate
PlusJOYED
Christøpher
Bell
superbowl9
Gamma Emerald
EchoVision
DrDolittle

Ban Hydras

Morning Mage

Locktown, Strong town, Weak town, Lean town, big fat ol' pile of dead-null (I realize this pool is too big, I want help in sorting that area), lean scum, and gut-shot-in-the-dark-basically-rvs-best-guess-at-scum-right-now.

VOTE: Morning Mage
To place a vote down on someone.

You really need to stop doing this lol. Everytime a few people will notice you locktown people that havent posted and then I just have to defend you for the rest of the game over that nonsense.

Just want to say i like this post from them though.

why??

[Morning Mage]

Mafia high grade shitpost more in my experience.

Any argument that involves the grading of shitposts is in and of itself shit.

can we get a VC please, i dont even know who im voting for

[Morning Mage]

*wishes for a VC*

Not reading RVS. Playing from here.

and for some reason mastina thinks youre town?

Yup. She also knows I hunt by association so that pushing me D1 is rather useless.

ok but that doesnt make you town.

It makes me town for today. Deal with it. Mastina and I know how to read each other.

i love you titus, but this is gross, please desist.

[Morning Mage]

Ugh we're still in RVS.

I'm not.

Mastina's vote is bad.

Ugh we're still in RVS.

I'm not.

Mastina's vote is bad.

yeah i dont like mastina at all so far but i dont like plus either so im not gonna vote mastina.

from what ive seen, meta-wise, ppl dont have the balls to flip mastina because if you try, you'll get spammed to death with the worst arguments. yes, i am still bitter and petty.

[Morning Mage]

*wishes for a VC*

Not reading RVS. Playing from here.

and for some reason mastina thinks youre town?

Yup. She also knows I hunt by association so that pushing me D1 is rather useless.

ok but that doesnt make you town.

It makes me town for today. Deal with it. Mastina and I know how to read each other.

i love you titus, but this is gross, please desist.

Why are you suddenly acting like you're town.

you were townreading me before this dude!

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: menalque

it's a wagon

[Morning Mage]

you were townreading me before this dude!

That was @Super Owl
You're still a townie nugget.

thanks <3

[Morning Mage]

big 100

[Morning Mage]

hey Titus do you think im town?

[Morning Mage]

hey Titus do you think im town?

Don't know yet. I am just voting right now with someone whose reasoning isn't terrible.

Give me time and I'll formulate a scumread, tunnel them, get ignored and then nightkilled.

the circle of life

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: EchoVision

no love for menalque?

[Morning Mage]

Morning/mage are you guys please gonna sign your posts or what

hey I sign my posts!

pedit: And Battle Mage signs his posts by using the wrong account!

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Morning/mage are you guys please gonna sign your posts or what

hey I sign my posts!

pedit: And Battle Mage signs his posts by using the wrong account!

~Morning

oh for fucks sake!!! this alt stuff is bloody hard...

[Morning Mage]

i still couldnt view the pics you sent me btw, but fine to go with your fave!

[Morning Mage]

pedit: And Battle Mage signs his posts by using the wrong account!

Tbh, i didn't even notice. They both don't have an avatar and usernames are similar in composition.

me too...me too...

[Morning Mage]

why does no one else dislike mastina's list like I do?

I do, and i'm tempted to vote there. But i was told they usually make reads lists like that, so i want to at least see what they have to say.

oh, I must"ve missed that.
Here's another question for someone who feels like answering, since this is the biggest game I've ever played in:
Do you think scum would be more or less likely to hop/swap on wagons to push mislims?
I'd think with the bigger plist it'd be more obvious to spot since theres more townies that could bring attention to it, but they also have more distractions.

My theory would be that scum will be generally more comfortable doing plays that would otherwise seem risky, as it's really hard to spot stuff early on in large games. At least for me. So for example, they might vote more opportunistically than they usually would, since they can hide behind distractions and excuses about the thread being too difficult to parse, they could say they missed stuff, etc.

It makes me town for today. Deal with it. Mastina and I know how to read each other.

There is no way Titus writes this and doesn't think "Everyone is going to want to kill me after this." she's practically asking to be voted! i'm confused how to interpret it, other than noting this must just be how she tends to talk i suppose. Really confident even if it sounds super bad

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Mena knows I tend to be LHF and pushed me anyway so I might vote there too.

Didn't he acknowledge that and then do it anyway? To be fair, you

do

seem different than I'm used to this game. You're trying more.

Mena seems different too! He's less present -- one time, we had formed a townbloc with like, me/him/Datisi/a couple others on the first day (why gun??). And another was similar where he had like 3-4 ppl as town too (forest fire). I can pretty feasibly see that as just being a difference in game size and players, though so mmmmmm

There is no way Titus writes this and doesn't think "Everyone is going to want to kill me after this." she's practically asking to be voted! i'm confused how to interpret it, other than noting this must just be how she tends to talk i suppose. Really confident even if it sounds super bad

Pretty sure she's joking since she had no posts when mastina locktowned her

~Buttercup

I thought she was saying we shouldn't kill her because mastina/her were destined to solve each other in a couple of days, therefore we should take her as town for now. Which to be fair, I am not opposed to strategies like that especially when it's d1/d2 of a huge game. But the delivery ("I'm town. Deal with it.") just looked bad

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

why does no one else dislike mastina's list like I do?

I do, and i'm tempted to vote there. But i was told they usually make reads lists like that, so i want to at least see what they have to say.

oh, I must"ve missed that.
Here's another question for someone who feels like answering, since this is the biggest game I've ever played in:
Do you think scum would be more or less likely to hop/swap on wagons to push mislims?
I'd think with the bigger plist it'd be more obvious to spot since theres more townies that could bring attention to it, but they also have more distractions.

My theory would be that scum will be generally more comfortable doing plays that would otherwise seem risky, as it's really hard to spot stuff early on in large games. At least for me. So for example, they might vote more opportunistically than they usually would, since they can hide behind distractions and excuses about the thread being too difficult to parse, they could say they missed stuff, etc.

It makes me town for today. Deal with it. Mastina and I know how to read each other.

There is no way Titus writes this and doesn't think "Everyone is going to want to kill me after this." she's practically asking to be voted! i'm confused how to interpret it, other than noting this must just be how she tends to talk i suppose. Really confident even if it sounds super bad

~Morning

I also don't believe Titus really thinks Mastina can read her. So probably just joking like Hecticup said

[Morning Mage]

we can do the avi now btw!

[Morning Mage]

nice pagetop

[Morning Mage]

i feel like the potential benefit from a mastina scumflip today is massively outweighed by the drawbacks of flipping town!mastina, and in any case she seems to be making a concentrated effort to gamesolve, but i'm not sure if that's nai for her. VOTE: plusjoyed their entire push on mastina feels manufactured and 575 and 674 ping me as calling out something for which there is no reason to call out.

I'm speechless. VOTE: goldenparadox

[Morning Mage]

nice avi, clever head

[Morning Mage]

i feel like the potential benefit from a mastina scumflip today is massively outweighed by the drawbacks of flipping town!mastina, and in any case she seems to be making a concentrated effort to gamesolve, but i'm not sure if that's nai for her. VOTE: plusjoyed their entire push on mastina feels manufactured and 575 and 674 ping me as calling out something for which there is no reason to call out.

I'm speechless. VOTE: goldenparadox

aww, nice to see i've taken your breath away. i tend to have that effect on people. <3

i feel the exact opposite way to you on a mastina-elim today. tell me the net downside of flipping town mastina?

[Morning Mage]

nice avi, clever head

I love thsi avi

~Buttercup

ah thanks bub

[Morning Mage]

I thought she was saying we shouldn't kill her because mastina/her were destined to solve each other in a couple of days, therefore we should take her as town for now. Which to be fair, I am not opposed to strategies like that especially when it's d1/d2 of a huge game. But the delivery ("I'm town. Deal with it.") just looked bad

you are correct, I glossed over the context. I can get behind it being slightly towny for how brazen and sus it looks.

~Buttercup

That is probably roughly where I'm at.

nice avi, clever head

I love thsi avi

~Buttercup

<3 !!

I have no opinion on the potential up/downsides of eliminating Mastina as I have no prior experience with her. However, I feel like with the amount she seems like she'll be efforting, we will be able to make a well-informed guess at her alignment in the future.

i will listen to my other half and paradox debate their points intently (´･ω･`)

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

i feel like the potential benefit from a mastina scumflip today is massively outweighed by the drawbacks of flipping town!mastina, and in any case she seems to be making a concentrated effort to gamesolve, but i'm not sure if that's nai for her. VOTE: plusjoyed their entire push on mastina feels manufactured and 575 and 674 ping me as calling out something for which there is no reason to call out.

I'm speechless. VOTE: goldenparadox

aww, nice to see i've taken your breath away. i tend to have that effect on people. <3

i feel the exact opposite way to you on a mastina-elim today. tell me the net downside of flipping town mastina?

that she's a strong town player who cuts through a shitton of the bullshit we've created this game. do you actually scumread her? i'd think she's a competent enough scum player that a d1 mastina!scum flip wouldn't get too much information.
furthermore, your vote on me because i'm openly defending her implies that you either think i'm scum trying to pocket/defend a townie or we're scum together, implying the latter because apparently you also believe she is scum. want to elaborate on this a lil?

lol i dont know what to tell ya! I'm baffled but intrigued!

I don't know where you got the impression I think she's scum? I don't have any strong view on that. Apparently we just have had very different experiences of Mastina-town, leading us to opposite conclusions about what to do with her on Day 1. i've never seen her as scum, but i don't think her being a competent scum player would be a good argument not to flip her early. either of your proposed scenarios for you being scum is possible from my pov, i'm not sure what other elaboration you want?

[Morning Mage]

I thought she was saying we shouldn't kill her because mastina/her were destined to solve each other in a couple of days, therefore we should take her as town for now. Which to be fair, I am not opposed to strategies like that especially when it's d1/d2 of a huge game. But the delivery ("I'm town. Deal with it.") just looked bad

you are correct, I glossed over the context. I can get behind it being slightly towny for how brazen and sus it looks.

~Buttercup

That is probably roughly where I'm at.

nice avi, clever head

I love thsi avi

~Buttercup

<3 !!

I have no opinion on the potential up/downsides of eliminating Mastina as I have no prior experience with her. However, I feel like with the amount she seems like she'll be efforting, we will be able to make a well-informed guess at her alignment in the future.

i will listen to my other half and paradox debate their points intently (´･ω･`)

~Morning

I predict Mastina will relentlessly tunnel our slot into oblivion for no reason. But I'm happy to be proven wrong!

I'm mostly just messing with Paradox, no strong sense of his alignment from this, although defending mastina-town is what I'd expect scum to do.

[Morning Mage]

Plus-scum gunning for Mastina-town wouldnt make sense. such a counterproductive play. So assume Plus is town unless Mastina flips scum first?

[Morning Mage]

Mastina is going to play pretty much the same way regardless of alignment. If we haven't solved by like d5 or w/e then sure lets flip her but paranoid flipping her d1 seems...idk...lame?

this is a not good attempt at justifying why we shouldnt flip her now. "well, we won't be able to figure out her alignment, but let's just wait anyway"

[Morning Mage]

I claim the largest ego in this game.

~Buttercup

Ha, you thought

I am the greatest scum hunter and launchbait this site has ever seen

~Buttercup

i'm on 3 consecutive pagetops though.

[Morning Mage]

okay I'm gonna stop after page 26, that's 2/3s through the game

I think Morning Mage should be limmed for multiple reasons

i am not impressed by them. "shoot the top posters", my partner "needs to exit the game poste-haste", the world's population is majority female, aaand i spent a post saying hi

anything I'm missing?

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

The last time I hydraed, someone advocated for killing me the entirety of D1 for more or less on the basis that I was a hydra and therefore bad -- more specifically, they didn't like how me and my partner sometimes had differing reads and apparently that warranted them vote-parking us. It was just a lazy and justifiableish stance for them, I guess. That game wasn't as large but this is already giving me similar vibes to that

this game specifically, though. Gamma's catchup does reminds me of how in all the other games i've played with him, he usually has a somewhat high fluff ratio on D1, at least in the first half. I'm not terribly moved by all the gameplay questions he does ask but that might be a result of the game size being hard to parse through

he spent all those posts catching up just to land on voting me for hydra/high post count stuff !! :c

Oh, also, for the record, I do call emergency meetings just to say "hi". Sometimes.

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

I don't like Mastina's intro - I'd hope her reads includes a bit more nuance than what is represented.

Oh they do, and since I kinda feel like uniting my townbloc and getting to the honing in/refining process by using them as sounding boards, I do need to give that more in-depth thorough readslist. Not today (I'm actually borderline-delirious right now, I dunno why but I feel lightheaded, kinda dizzy, in spite of being well-hydrated and well-rested and having stayed on top of taking vitamins and not being stomach-churningly hungry, so I'm not up to it in the moment), but I feel like I'm ~in the zone~, and just need some help from the towncore to perfect it.

The game feels close to locked, I just need to push it over the edge and will give the extended extensive version of the readslist when I am physically able to do so. (Hopefully, tomorrow, with luck at least.)

As scum, how easily do you find it faking this kind of fire to solve the game?

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

I see this is the coolkid wagon.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I don't highly scumread Gamma, but they haven't really towntold.

VOTE: Norwee
Opportunistic wagon hop on a likely town + disclaimer = scumtell. Discuss

I have an alternative take.
You're dead on the money on the opportunistic hop-on with the disclaimer being a scum indicator.

My thought is that it is an awkward attempt at forcing a bus on a scumbuddy tho.

This sort of makes me want to vote Norwe because it's a scummy look regardless of Gamma's alignment.

I should probably clarify.

I came into this game like a shithead but have since played nothing like that but no budge means that mastina’s read itself is artificial.

are you sure you're not just letting her read of you cloud the way you perceive her? One bad read on you or not, I find that the player who goes this hard at trying to solve D1 is usually town. They might not always be right but i'm not sure that's what matters

i feel like BOP is something that should prolly be used further down the line from D1

Your reaction reminds me of forest fire nonetheless -- the part where.. idfk who it was sussed you for a while and how you responded to it

As scum you wouldn’t gambit like this would you?

Don't think so

Can't see scum!me pulling a gambit day 1 of a large theme. Too much risk.

i believe it

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Well i believe that jjh is ascetic, which scum could be. I've only ever seen an ascetic role once (it was town) though so I don't have a good grasp of the split.

Are u just fake crapping on the hydra because it gives scum you something to do

I'm real crapping on them for spamming 50 pages

get a better hobby!

@bell
@samantha
@jjh
@Morning Mage
@Mastina

Can 3 of you hop on Gamma or if not explain why we should be wagoning someone else

ill get there..

pedit: Being incredibly invested in the game as town can be exhausting. but faking being a super invested townie as scum is ridiculously exhausting, at least for me

9/10 difficulty, very hard but not impossible, sounds just about right

pedit #2: ahhh oki

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

the fact that flavor leaf hasn't claimed or done anything bombastic yet probably means he is town right?

I thought that was just something flavour does on a consistent basis to be honest

I feel like to understand DDL's alignment I'm going to need to figure out how strong the reasoning for the Gamma wagon is first. My snap reaction was that I kind of liked DDL's opening but I guess I can see why the Gamma defense is scummy if there really is a good enough reason for Gamma to be scum. Whiteknighting as scum can be fun, i dont know about doing him going against the grain on Gamma as partners though. I think if the reasoning for someone being scum is good, but one player for whatever reason just seems to know they're town (and they are actually town), that can be scummy

Like again with Gamma he doesn't strike me as terribly different from when I played with him in mini 2132 and forest fire, he had a lot of fluff to start out with, his posts were kinda short, he came under a lot of pressure constantly for whatever reason even though he was town both times

Edit: Nah. I've got Norway in a solid town slot, although I do admit I'm not sure they'll be a huge asset rn.

Any chance i could hear why?

its not the readlist itself
it's that you talked to your other heads in thread to emulate a stream of consciousness. That seemed fake to me.
VOTE: ban hydras

Oh are we finally considering banning this clownslot? Yeet
VOTE: Ban Hydras

If this is just to remove a chaotic hydra I’d rather go with Morning Mage
Less helpful, less entertaining (MT is good but BM is bad in this regard, whilst all heads of Ban Hydras aregood in this sense), and actually seems scummy imo

sniff

(;﹏;)

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Hey superbowl, just wanted to give you a reminder that you thought every reason for town reading me was weak and that my votes have been poor and show a lack of scumhunting so that you can go through why that is for me

Shit i forgot about that thanks for the reminder

LOL

If you don't have a solve by the time I've reached page 40 then you go down in my estimate from 'probably a good' to 'all smoke & ego - not worth listening to'. This is going to be interesting to see.

I know I’m late but how does (superbowl, plus, gamma, Taylor) sound as a starting point

are these just the people on your wagon?

Nah

Don’t worry about it

I’m a good boi

i love this game so far hahaha

Which bit reads as genuine from Diamond's anger, I thought it felt kind of overblown. Maybe given he doesn't like the hydras specifically it might make a bit more sense as townmindset- is that what you were thinking?

-Blossom

It was really overblown but i dont think that makes him scum if that makes sense. I generally find (maybe irrational) emotion to be +town. There are some parts in Diamonds ISO that come off as exaggerated (1098) but parts like 1136 1092 451 read genuine enough to me

pedit: Norwe, I'm thinking about you as an alternative vote to Gamma, I don't really have a great grasp on associations especially early D1.

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Superbowl, do you usually play jester-y as town? This is pretty much black and white compared to our last game together. That being said, you were scum in that one so

Why Morning?

I'm considering the possibility Gamma is town because he gets wagoned like, a lot and I haven't noticed anything terribly different from what I'm used to from him. We miseliminated him in my very last game with him. Almost50 and DDL are also claiming Gamma both hasn't done his scumtell and is playing to his town meta -- and I am slightly inclined to agree just from what i know. But I dont know Gamma's scum meta so I am not really sure

Now for you specifically, your vote was kind of TMI, I guess. Not a lot other than that and I haven't townread you yet

I'm looking through your ISO to get a more satisfying answer and I'm not really pinged by anything. I actually pull the "Well there's nothing particularly town here yet, so I'll vote for pressure and to see what happens" quite a bit with my vote cause i dont get scumreads much.

i'm surprised im one of your townreads. i kind of felt this way earlier with regards to Mastina believing she has the game nearly on lock -- I haven't done anything i consider particularly AI for myself yet. Large themes be like that tho ig

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Can morning tweet bring her batlings too samantha? Not sure which animals were allowed in

oh also, for the last time !! i dont have any pups !!!! (>﹏<)

okay I'm gonna stop after page 26, that's 2/3s through the game

I think Morning Mage should be limmed for multiple reasons

i am not impressed by them. "shoot the top posters", my partner "needs to exit the game poste-haste", the world's population is majority female, aaand i spent a post saying hi

anything I'm missing?

~Morning

Those last two parts were jokes (or at least not actual points). You seem a little hasty to discredit me, friend.

I added those to highlight how you didn't have any actual reasons -- im aware they were jokes dont worry (´･ω･`)

Gamma, what are the non-joke legitimate reasons you want Morning Mage dead?

~Buttercup

BM doesn’t seem to be genuinely sorting and is resorting to shade, they jumped on me trying to discredit my push by mixing in obvious joke points, and just want one of the most active slots dead and theirs is both the least town and the least entertaining of the most active players.
As for ignoring votes, can’t really engage Nero rn, and yours just seemed to be following A50, which while he called out a fair point, I think saying I should auto-die for it is kinda uncalled for. I had similar issues in AvP where I was town.

Btw there is one person I expect to at least read me well, if not right

lol maybe i should've started reading from here

Idk BM sounding shadey sometimes sounds normal to me. Also, was it really that confusing why I included the joke points? I was using them to discredit you but not by implying they were serious, I was implying they were all you had

Your case to scumread me is built off of my reaction to you not having a case to scumread me off of! That's gotta be a paradox of some kind

also im sad im being judged guilty based off of entertainment value :C

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

i'm fine with elimming within the claimed mason faction. but gamma has most votes and works for me today too.

VOTE: gamma

[Morning Mage]

I think if I get to speak to morning live then I can probably sort that slot

(・ω<) can't wait

I am a Miller Mason

What is the point of a Mason being a Miller if they can just confirm each other?

pedit: Mena!

[Morning Mage]

I’ll tell you exactly why i had that clain in mind.
Because Hectic with an secret alt fake claimed exactly that in an earlier game and i insisted they were town but everyone sussed them a lot and it turned into an absolute meme of a game.
The alt was named Truth and the game is:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83755
I had absolutely no idea this game had or you would actually claim Miller Mason so this is entirely an coincidence.

I remember spectating this game. I was like "Truth... if you're mason miller, why wouldn't you just claim the miller part?" Of course they weren't a mason miller but yeah

pedit: Nero is town mastina is probably town jjh is town or 3p (probably) Titus is probably town if Mastina is and i very slightly lean on superbowl/Vecna/Echo/DDL/Diamond/Norwe/Bell being good at diff points

Im still going through the A50 claim stuff, I assume he's town if someone else backs him up at some point this game

town
1. Nero Cain
2. Mastina
3. honestly probably jjh cause in addition to me thinking he's town, ive heard his scum play is really different

scum
1. fuck idk here's a collection of slots i have no town opinion on
2. samantha (although a lot of ppl say this slot is town for some reason idk), chris, April, Ban Hydras, Gamma, tayl0r, Pickaxe, Plus (mayyyybe this changes), GoldenParadox

[Morning Mage]

I think if I get to speak to morning live then I can probably sort that slot

(・ω<) can't wait

I am a Miller Mason

What is the point of a Mason being a Miller if they can just confirm each other?

pedit: Mena!

I’ll tell you exactly why i had that clain in mind.
Because Hectic with an secret alt fake claimed exactly that in an earlier game and i insisted they were town but everyone sussed them a lot and it turned into an absolute meme of a game.
The alt was named Truth and the game is:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83755
I had absolutely no idea this game had or you would actually claim Miller Mason so this is entirely an coincidence.

I remember spectating this game. I was like "Truth... if you're mason miller, why wouldn't you just claim the miller part?" Of course they weren't a mason miller but yeah

pedit: Nero is town mastina is probably town jjh is town or 3p (probably) Titus is probably town if Mastina is and i very slightly lean on superbowl/Vecna/Echo/DDL/Diamond/Norwe/Bell being good at diff points

Im still going through the A50 claim stuff, I assume he's town if someone else backs him up at some point this game

town
1. Nero Cain
2. Mastina
3. honestly probably jjh cause in addition to me thinking he's town, ive heard his scum play is really different

scum
1. fuck idk here's a collection of slots i have no town opinion on
2. samantha (although a lot of ppl say this slot is town for some reason idk), chris, April, Ban Hydras, Gamma, tayl0r, Pickaxe, Plus (mayyyybe this changes), GoldenParadox

Fuck i'm forgetting to sign

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

town
1. Nero Cain
2. Mastina
3. honestly probably jjh cause in addition to me thinking he's town, ive heard his scum play is really different

Not me?

o(╥﹏╥)o

Be honest, are you scum morning?

Was that the hidden metric u were using?

Why should I townread you, Mena? (´･ω･`)

I noted that you were less present and solvey than I was used to but that was like only for the first 24 hours -- pretty sure I saw a big ol readslist somewhere while I was reading.

i'm aware that you have a good scumgame and i haven't seen it yet. we need to get some mindmelding going before we form our townbloc. I just haven't felt the Gamma wagon click for me yet, he reminds me heavily of my previous games w/ him. A50 mentioned earlier that Gamma hasn't played to his scum meta or done his scum tell or whatever and DDL also shared the sentiment that he isn't any different from usual. Your response was to add them to the scumbin.

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Moooooooooooorning, have much are you enjoying this game on a scale of 1 to 10?

~Buttercup

I like this more than my last hydra game because (believe it or not) i feel like i'm getting less hate for being a hydra then i did last time

it's a little annoying not having convincing reads on 75% of the playerlist, but such is large themes

If Mini 2132 is a 3 and Jigsaw mafia while i wasnt arguing with BM is a 9, this is probably a 6

pedit: didn't even notice the typo!

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

I think it's much more pro-town on D1 to find a slot that seems scummy, run them up, get their flip and then proceed from there on D2 with the added benefit of being able to start looking at VCA and being able to use NKA

I don't think it's possible to lynch mafia d1 in a game this size unless most of them are afk

If you have a dichotomy between a town wagon and a mafia wagon, and the town wagonee claims a good PR, I've seen a mafia die D1 in large theme without even getting bussed

But yeah I generally agree that if mafia wills it, we're probably not going to hit one

hmmm morning normally you and i townread each other pretty fast. is it because i havent flopped your ears yet?

that may be one factor. imma get there if ur town, I just haven't seen your posts for the most part

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Could you stop not omgusing and not analyzing who on your wagon is scum gamma.

It’s like 99% of the reason I think you’re scum this game.

I’d share this with you in our scum PT but i can’t post there for scum reason. <3

That's like exactly what Gamma did in response to pressure in Forest Fire, no?

He assumed that scum was behind the shift to his wagon on D1 (somewhat irrationally) and started from there.

i don't know if it's a town indicator but it's certainly consistent.

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

i'm fine with elimming within the claimed mason faction. but gamma has most votes and works for me today too.

VOTE: gamma

WOW that is a bad take. and a bad vote. morning please come spew town so i dont vote your hydra partner.

we don't care whether you vote us for some personal gimmick lol, just play the game

[Morning Mage]

i'm fine with elimming within the claimed mason faction. but gamma has most votes and works for me today too.

VOTE: gamma

oh

Regardless of your actual reads it'd be better to act convinced the mason faction is pro-town so scum won't just not shoot there cus they'll assume we'll paranoia lynch there eventually.

this is a good take

why is no one concerned that no real counterwagon has formed to gamma? if the best ally gamma has is me saying "theres something questionable there but i dunno about a 10-person wagon" then where are the scumbuddies and why arent they doing anything to help?

also why does the gamma wagon, as weak as it seems to be, have such longevity? this gamestate doesnt make sense to me if gamma is scum. here i go defending gamma. i guess i must be scum too. oops.

If Gamma is scum I do expect more people to pull out the "Wtf Gamma always gets wagoned d1, this is how he always plays, this always happens rararararara" card

To be fair I'm pulling that and DDL/Tayl0r/A50 also are

but it doesn't seem to be working lol

To be fair, i would gladly switch to Ban Hydras if it became apparent interest in eliminating Gamma was dying.

thats also a dumb wagon.

"oooh i dont like hydrae, therefore this hydra must be scum!!!"
"theyre posting too much!"
"they posted about language policing rather than whos scum this one time!"
"shut up loudmouth"

i feel like im decent at sorting the people in that hydra, and i feel like i can sort them as town here.

I could see Ban Hydras being scum by pure coincidence. But i haven't tried to sort them, so i like your plan of actually trying to read them first better actually

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

what Taylor said I guess. Also I read back a couple posts in the MM ISO to see if they'd expressed more about the claim and I think there's something I read past without responding to that I should have.

Eh, yeah I'm still happy flipping you.

To be fair, i would gladly switch to Ban Hydras if it became apparent interest in eliminating Gamma was dying.

Norweg is my top townie today.

Someone asked my top 3 town and scumreads.

I'm gonna go:

Town: Norwegianboy, Bell, Titus

Scum: Gamma Emerald, Menalque, Taylor Swift

[Morning Mage]

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ban hydras is town

i think it's a modspew town

I agree on the read, but I have no idea what the quote has to do with it

k just replace me if you're going to comment on whether a post is good or not as a moderator

Actually yeah. Are we going to fucking ignore this? The mod is actively interfering with this game.
What the fuck is this

yeah that felt a bit icky.

the Mod having a personal view on racism is "interfering with the game"? I don't think so.

I do think the whole episode makes the Ban Hydras slot look worse from AI perspective though.

[Morning Mage]

I think the best one I can read in it is Hop, and his posting is relatively inoffensive. However I think they're still a good vote because of what I've seen from the other two.

Has Flopz even posted yet..?

Menalque is in the scumread only section.

do tell gamma, why am I scum

Your thing about "finally getting to vote me out" after Pokemon Ruby is stinky garbage, and does not come from a town perspective at all. You seem like scum who got excited at the prospect of getting revenge.

If Mena was actually motivated by something like revenge, he could just be town that is willing you to be scum, too. It's not necessarily a scum only perspective.

that being said, I am tempted to conclude that your read on Mena is coming from a genuine place, making you town

pedit: Which will certainly be interesting when discussing this with my partner. Do you think both Mena

and

Gamma can be scum, or is it just one of them, Mage?

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

mod notes

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ban hydras is town

i think it's a modspew town

I agree on the read, but I have no idea what the quote has to do with it

k just replace me if you're going to comment on whether a post is good or not as a moderator

Actually yeah. Are we going to fucking ignore this? The mod is actively interfering with this game.
What the fuck is this

yeah that felt a bit icky.

How is the post the mod commented on there related to the game at all? I get why the mod commenting on posts is a problem, but that post in particular isn't really gameplay-related, is it?

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

i'm fine with elimming within the claimed mason faction. but gamma has most votes and works for me today too.

VOTE: gamma

oh

Regardless of your actual reads it'd be better to act convinced the mason faction is pro-town so scum won't just not shoot there cus they'll assume we'll paranoia lynch there eventually.

this is a good take

hmm, i actually like Norweg for town, but don't agree with his take above at all. Let's discuss privately and come to a collective view lol.

To be fair, i would gladly switch to Ban Hydras if it became apparent interest in eliminating Gamma was dying.

thats also a dumb wagon.

"oooh i dont like hydrae, therefore this hydra must be scum!!!"
"theyre posting too much!"
"they posted about language policing rather than whos scum this one time!"
"shut up loudmouth"

i feel like im decent at sorting the people in that hydra, and i feel like i can sort them as town here.

I could see Ban Hydras being scum by pure coincidence. But i haven't tried to sort them, so i like your plan of actually trying to read them first better actually

~Morning

I guess I can see the argument they are LHF and so we shouldn't worry about them today. Not coincidence though surely? I didnt have a view on the post itself, but the reaction afterwards wasn't great. The defence of "please don't think we used racial sensitivities as a tactic to survive longer as scum" felt a bit OTT if the slot was town. Likewise, the Mod endorsing the post isn't objectionable, but it does make the slot look worse that the Mod felt the need to independently endorse them. And the reaction to that endorsement also doesn't look great. Also, for a hydra slot, they've gone relatively unnoticed on Day 1, which might indicate they have some allies.

[Morning Mage]

What do you think about my point of gamma’s scumread on me not being really based on anything at all despite him presenting it as one of his more substantial reads? Do you think town!gamma really sees me shitposting about getting revenge for a game that happened well over a year ago (my second scumgame on site) and thinks that it’s a solid indicator of scum!me that I’m bragging about getting to misguillotine him now?

yes

that's exactly the kind of emotional stuff i see coming from wagoned town. It's irrational, but not because it's faked

I guess i could see the idea of scum!Gamma grasping for straws but that is not my first inclination at all

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

I think the best one I can read in it is Hop, and his posting is relatively inoffensive. However I think they're still a good vote because of what I've seen from the other two.

Has Flopz even posted yet..?

Menalque is in the scumread only section.

do tell gamma, why am I scum

Your thing about "finally getting to vote me out" after Pokemon Ruby is stinky garbage, and does not come from a town perspective at all. You seem like scum who got excited at the prospect of getting revenge.

If Mena was actually motivated by something like revenge, he could just be town that is willing you to be scum, too. It's not necessarily a scum only perspective.

that being said, I am tempted to conclude that your read on Mena is coming from a genuine place, making you town

pedit: Which will certainly be interesting when discussing this with my partner. Do you think both Mena

and

Gamma can be scum, or is it just one of them, Mage?

~Morning

independently. I think Menalque is objectively the scummiest player in the game, but I'm harbouring a bit of a crush on him, so would happily look elsewhere if I could. Also Menalque is the sort of player I don't really want to mis-elim on Day 1 in this game.

[Morning Mage]

I'm ok with voting Gamma or ban hydra

welcome to my townlist

[Morning Mage]

im not town *wink wink*

yeah you are

[Morning Mage]

Morning, what do you think of Gamma's read where he said he would've changed his mind on us if I was pointing him to Hop's posts, but since I wasn't, it doesn't change anything for him? it read as very fake to me and gave the impression he's trying to look open, since if he likes Hop's posts, my suggestion to read them shouldn't change anything.

Also, who are you in your avatar? This is very important.

~Buttercup

i agree, it was very fake, he is probably scum!

[Morning Mage]

k just replace me if you're going to comment on whether a post is good or not as a moderator

Actually yeah. Are we going to fucking ignore this? The mod is actively interfering with this game.
What the fuck is this

What are yall on man?? THEY POSTED TELLING YOU TO FOLLOW A SITE RULE. Then the mod is like yes good thanks for telling them to follow the rules and you think this has game impact?? And some are claiming it's AI????? You gotta be kidding me man

it doesnt have game impact

but it is AI

[Morning Mage]

Also, err, why do you think I’m scum, BM?

mostly gut feeling

[Morning Mage]

independently. I think Menalque is objectively the scummiest player in the game, but I'm harbouring a bit of a crush on him, so would happily look elsewhere if I could. Also Menalque is the sort of player I don't really want to mis-elim on Day 1 in this game.

I agree with regards to there being no reason to eliminate Mena on D1 of a game like this. We'll get plenty of content from him as we go on, just like mastina. it would be a shame to lose that regardless of his alignment, and we can make a more informed decision later

oh also, you'll have to beat me to him!! my crush on Mena is bigger than urs (^∀^)

I’m not convinced. I think gamma is generally an intelligent player, I really struggle to see him looking at that post from me in good faith and thinking “yes, this is scum!mena bragging to thread for ??? (Purely ego?) reasons about how he can get my flip today”. I cannot see how gamma is seeing scum motivation there especially as when pressed he made it specifically about what I said AROUND my vote, not just about the vote itself.

And then when pressed on it (where, if he were town, I think he’d realise it’s not an alignment indicative thing for me to have done, maybe even slightly town indicative unless he thinks I’m exceptionally cheeky as scum) he doesn’t critically think about what it means for my alignment, he doubles down on I in a very weak way

i can see it sooooo easy. It's not an issue of intelligence. These reads just happen when you're on the hotseat -- and this mirrors Gamma on D1 of Forest Fire. Everyone was like "Wtf why is your wagon all scum that makes no sense" and slapped him with the hammer

Morning, what do you think of Gamma's read where he said he would've changed his mind on us if I was pointing him to Hop's posts, but since I wasn't, it doesn't change anything for him? it read as very fake to me and gave the impression he's trying to look open, since if he likes Hop's posts, my suggestion to read them shouldn't change anything.

Also, who are you in your avatar? This is very important.

~Buttercup

fuuuuck where is that

Okay. Honestly if that was genuine I would have changed my mind about you because I'd already stated Hopkirk's posting is actually decent and if you meant to point me that way I would have acted on that.

...why would you choose not to act on it based on me pointing you that way or not? It shouldn't affect your read on it.

~Buttercup

Because you're essentially saying "read us off of Hopkirk" which would make me feel like you're more town than how I'm currently reading you. I guess the feelings still there but because it wasn't intended I'm feeling unsure about acting on it.

anyway I gotta feed my dog so pls don't post 10+ pages while I'm gone

Is that what this post is supposed to be? i have no idea what he means by "If you had pointed me that way I would have acted on that". Yeah it reads like hedgey confusion. I agree that it doesn't make sense why your suggestion to read Hopkirk's posts means anything, but i dont really know about your conclusion. I think Gamma thinking that you pointing to Hopkirk's posts is scummy makes no sense

Oh -- I'm the white mage! Mage is the black mage. Just like the one on his wiki page

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Also, err, why do you think I’m scum, BM?

mostly gut feeling

I’m the “objectively scummiest slot in the game” based on gut feeling?

yep that's just how i feel man

[Morning Mage]

k just replace me if you're going to comment on whether a post is good or not as a moderator

Actually yeah. Are we going to fucking ignore this? The mod is actively interfering with this game.
What the fuck is this

What are yall on man?? THEY POSTED TELLING YOU TO FOLLOW A SITE RULE. Then the mod is like yes good thanks for telling them to follow the rules and you think this has game impact?? And some are claiming it's AI????? You gotta be kidding me man

it doesnt have game impact

but it is AI

Is it AI for me to tell someone not to sexually harass another user? Honestly can't believe I'm having this discussion outside newbie forums

gimme a fking break dude, i didnt sexually harass anybody.

[Morning Mage]

i'll be the first to call an April-Taylor-Gamma scumteam.

[Morning Mage]

Ever since I starting expressing suspicions and the desire to get rid of MM they've constantly been throwing everything they can at me, it feels like. That ain't town.

sounds like your reads are no good

[Morning Mage]

i'll be the first to call an April-Taylor-Gamma scumteam.

Huh, now would you look at that

i beat you to it, by seconds

[Morning Mage]

I think Gamma thinking that you pointing to Hopkirk's posts is scummy makes no sense

I actually said the opposite, nice fucking try

Gamma do you want my help or not? That makes me feel better though, I am glad i was reading it wrong

Ever since I starting expressing suspicions and the desire to get rid of MM they've constantly been throwing everything they can at me, it feels like. That ain't town.

I have done nothing but see the positive side of you. why are you switching to attacking us over Ban Hydra ? That reasoning doesn't hold up at all

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Is it AI for me to tell someone not to sexually harass another user? Honestly can't believe I'm having this discussion outside newbie forums

the post the moderator commented on was in question and spurred 1 or more votes, depending on how you interpret it

if ban hydras was mafia and was posting that to disrupt town, he never would have commented on it

the fact that this is even a discussion is itself evidence of interference, even if you don't subscribe to the above

they're 100% confirmed town and the game has lost its integrity

last thing I'm posting here

i completely disagree with this interpretation - it makes much more sense for the Mod to intervene if BH was scum. but the fact you read it like this actually makes me wonder if they are town and you're just paranoid scum.

any appetite for a samantha wagon today?

[Morning Mage]

I know, but still, it’s making me feel better about town!you

this sort of high quality read is why i dont want to gamble on elimming you today.

[Morning Mage]

Well if Taylor is scum, then the masons aren't real. So we'll have to look at Gamma and April first.

A50 said she was fakeclaiming it

I missed that. Thank you.

Taylor fakeclaimed mason? LOL Gamma is gonna be exercised over that

[Morning Mage]

I think Gamma thinking that you pointing to Hopkirk's posts is scummy makes no sense

I actually said the opposite, nice fucking try

Gamma do you want my help or not? That makes me feel better though, I am glad i was reading it wrong

Ever since I starting expressing suspicions and the desire to get rid of MM they've constantly been throwing everything they can at me, it feels like. That ain't town.

I have done nothing but see the positive side of you. why are you switching to attacking us over Ban Hydra ? That reasoning doesn't hold up at all

~Morning

see that Gamma, not a good egg swearing at you like that.

k just replace me if you're going to comment on whether a post is good or not as a moderator

Actually yeah. Are we going to fucking ignore this? The mod is actively interfering with this game.
What the fuck is this

What are yall on man?? THEY POSTED TELLING YOU TO FOLLOW A SITE RULE. Then the mod is like yes good thanks for telling them to follow the rules and you think this has game impact?? And some are claiming it's AI????? You gotta be kidding me man

it doesnt have game impact

but it is AI

Is it AI for me to tell someone not to sexually harass another user? Honestly can't believe I'm having this discussion outside newbie forums

gimme a fking break dude, i didnt sexually harass anybody.

Lol what? I didn't say you did. I'm saying we're taking a good-faith PSA and dragging it into this game, and if it was about something people view as more "important" like sexual harassment yall would be disgusted at this conversation.

pedit: The problem is that you all are discussing it as something game-relevant. If you someone says "don't post death threats" and you vote on that, does that make it now just another part of the game???

I don't really think of racism or sexual harassment as being more important than each other. everything in the game is game-relevant and can be AI.

[Morning Mage]

I didn't really mind Tay fakeclaiming mason because I don't really see anything out of line with it, all I've gotten is that it was an attempt to cover for the real third mason. That seems like an odd risk for scum to take imo, but it's not strongly AI.

of course you didnt mind. yeah seems like a clever way to cover for the real third mason would be to claim mason and force them to counter-claim you

[Morning Mage]

My thoughts are Samantha is probably scum who stopped caring and TMI knows the slot is town so they know it actually did get confirmed, even if people don’t see it like that.

you're sheeping me here, just to be clear.

[Morning Mage]

I don't really think of racism or sexual harassment as being more important than each other. everything in the game is game-relevant and can be AI.

I'm saying that PSAs like this should not be viewed as part of gameplay. It's just really disgusting to either post something like that to try to gain an advantage or to call someone out presuming they did so. Some things are more important than the game.

i dont think they did it to gain an advantage, but i think their other hydra head and the mod who came out to defend them, might have thought they did.

[Morning Mage]

who claimed 3p?

[Morning Mage]

Cuz if it only happened once, just move on from it, it’s been spoken about publicly here, don’t use the L word.

It’s been so engrained into the site, that I understand why someone could say it by accident, and we just need to move past it rather than continue bringing it up.

I’ve been not using it in the games I mod for like 4-5 years now, talking about it just continues to keep it at the forefront. It’s been discussed. If they do it again, yes, do something about it, but I think we should move on with the game.

I’ll make the warning. Idgaf.

Nobody say the L-word. It was here for a while, if you played Mafia for years, it might even be engrained. I understand that. The word has needed to be changed for a while anyways, and while I don’t necessarily believe this site used in a negative way, I do fully support not using the word based on the overall connotations of it, and the current issues going on.

No more L-word.

K, let’s play some Mafia now.

I don't know why you brought this up again? Trying to buy that 100% conftowncred? Also, it's clear from your join date you haven't been modding games for 4-5 years.

[Morning Mage]

@taylor do you have any completed scumgames?

she was scum in noir mafia.

[Morning Mage]

I think Gamma thinking that you pointing to Hopkirk's posts is scummy makes no sense

I actually said the opposite, nice fucking try

Gamma do you want my help or not? That makes me feel better though, I am glad i was reading it wrong

Ever since I starting expressing suspicions and the desire to get rid of MM they've constantly been throwing everything they can at me, it feels like. That ain't town.

I have done nothing but see the positive side of you. why are you switching to attacking us over Ban Hydra ? That reasoning doesn't hold up at all

~Morning

I'm really not seeing how you've been trying to see the positive side of me. Though the response to my other post does kinda indicate that.
I feel like from the moment I started SRing your hydra both of your heads have been acting like I'm confscum or something. Maybe I'm wrong, I think my mind might honestly be slipping at this point, between the constant headache that's been developing and me pretty much talking out of my ass a bunch these past several pages.

I don't buy this AtE

[Morning Mage]

My thoughts are Samantha is probably scum who stopped caring and TMI knows the slot is town so they know it actually did get confirmed, even if people don’t see it like that.

you're sheeping me here, just to be clear.

I sheeped you, mighty Morning Tweet, greatest scumhunter of all time

we'll take it!

[Morning Mage]

Also, it's clear from your join date you haven't been modding games for 4-5 years.

He mods on “boonskies”

never heard of it

[Morning Mage]

I feel like from the moment I started SRing your hydra both of your heads have been acting like I'm confscum or something. Maybe I'm wrong, I think my mind might honestly be slipping at this point, between the constant headache that's been

Can confirm that is extremely wrong in my case

My thoughts are Samantha is probably scum who stopped caring and TMI knows the slot is town so they know it actually did get confirmed, even if people don’t see it like that.

you're sheeping me here, just to be clear.

I sheeped you, mighty Morning Tweet, greatest scumhunter of all time

we'll take it!

._.

Who’s Morning Mage? BM and who?

My name is Morning Tweet. We've played once so far afaik -- Zoey's extraordinary mafia

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

mastina

did it (albeit in more style as always) and coupled with her weird push on Gamma vs Norwee I am truly and utterly worried she might have rolled scum here

I am the opposite of scum this game.

I am fairly certain you're town, now, given what I know about the game.

I'll admit tho--I don't exactly fully trust your claim. I just don't think you're scum for it, I am convinced you're town and probably legit are a miller at the very least. That is to say, I 100% believe you are town; I 99% believe you are a miller; I only 80% believe you're a mason, if that makes sense.

you think he's a town miller but not a mason, who managed to somehow inexplicably get somebody else to corroborate his story?

we can flip mastina

[Morning Mage]

I feel like from the moment I started SRing your hydra both of your heads have been acting like I'm confscum or something. Maybe I'm wrong, I think my mind might honestly be slipping at this point, between the constant headache that's been

Can confirm that is extremely wrong in my case

My thoughts are Samantha is probably scum who stopped caring and TMI knows the slot is town so they know it actually did get confirmed, even if people don’t see it like that.

you're sheeping me here, just to be clear.

I sheeped you, mighty Morning Tweet, greatest scumhunter of all time

we'll take it!

._.

Who’s Morning Mage? BM and who?

My name is Morning Tweet. We've played once so far afaik -- Zoey's extraordinary mafia

~Morning

April Ludgate is claiming to be an alt, so you might have played with her other accounts more. I think she'll sheep all our reads, so let's keep her alive though.

VOTE: samantha

[Morning Mage]

so, we kill one of the two who've outed to make sure it's true then go from there?

I am going to have to fight against everyone to convince them that Almost50 and superbowl9 here aren't scum, won't I?

I am 100% convinced scum do not claim this way in this fashion.

And I have good reason to believe they aren't fakeclaiming, that they are realclaiming, that they are telling the truth and that they are truthfully giving unfakeable information that scum would be unlikely to know.

this makes me think they are probably just both scum.

[Morning Mage]

Who’s Morning Mage? BM and who?

Battle Mage and Morning Tweet

nice to meet you, ma'am

[Morning Mage]

so, we kill one of the two who've outed to make sure it's true then go from there?

I am going to have to fight against everyone to convince them that Almost50 and superbowl9 here aren't scum, won't I?

I am 100% convinced scum do not claim this way in this fashion.

And I have good reason to believe they aren't fakeclaiming, that they are realclaiming, that they are telling the truth and that they are truthfully giving unfakeable information that scum would be unlikely to know.

To be fair, I feel like I’ve seen you do this to scum before, maybe even Scum A50, but I’d have to check up.

I do think it leans Mastina townier, however.

i see you went to the Morning Mage school of scumhunting, nice work!

[Morning Mage]

Who’s Morning Mage? BM and who?

Battle Mage and Morning Tweet

nice to meet you, ma'am

No, you hate me BM. I’m FL.

FL?

[Morning Mage]

The F-L A-V O-R LEAF

The only Leaf that brings the beef

never heard of you! but good to meet you

[Morning Mage]

incidentally: "uncertain guilties vs certain innocents, setup fake-outs" makes me think this could be a thing, but idk if A50, superbowl, and the third have enough experience with MBoS games to come up with this fake claim as scum

They're not fakeclaiming; they're town. I'm sure of it.

3 posts ago you said there was a 20% chance they were fakeclaiming.

[Morning Mage]

I am going to have to fight against everyone to convince them that Almost50 and superbowl9 here aren't scum, won't I?

no one is really gunning for them. I mean, I do think SB's play is bad but the correct play is to not elim there. You really shouldn't be wasting your time.

this Nero Cain fella is town for sure

[Morning Mage]

The F-L A-V O-R LEAF

The only Leaf that brings the beef

never heard of you! but good to meet you

WHAT.

He’s obv trolling.

have i played with you before or something? please link if so, i don't remember!

[Morning Mage]

Fade Samantha, move to Day 2.

And on Day 2, just sheep my reads again

[Morning Mage]

At least this gets us closer to lynching Taylor.

I'm crumbing mason so damn hard, and nobody seems to get it.

Can you please pay attention to me!? I'm trying to tell you I'm the 3rd mason!!

yes Mastina, we've got it.

[Morning Mage]

also Mastina, that reads list? ugh.... i wouldnt fancy my chances locked in a room with your 'locktowns'

[Morning Mage]

Just sheep Morning Mage onto Samantha.

I did it already, just call me boonski

ok i'm done playing

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: samantha

[Morning Mage]

Can we just elim gamma and end the day?? Like what are we waiting for here

we're flipping Samantha!

[Morning Mage]

Not sure samatha's gonna be in the game much longer my friend

Then even more reason to kill her.

this young lady is right

[Morning Mage]

why is no one concerned that no real counterwagon has formed to gamma? if the best ally gamma has is me saying "theres something questionable there but i dunno about a 10-person wagon" then where are the scumbuddies and why arent they doing anything to help?

also why does the gamma wagon, as weak as it seems to be, have such longevity? this gamestate doesnt make sense to me if gamma is scum. here i go defending gamma. i guess i must be scum too. oops.

i already said yall aint partners but i got ignored zzzzzz

they could be partners though, i love an easy game

[Morning Mage]

gamma seems scummy here?

scummy enough, sure
I'd also be fine with Taylor or plus, the important thing is to pick one, build up consensus votes and get that claim/flip

^This.

But that said,

I'm not saying we have to milk every second of the deadline but I don't really see the harm in holding off for a day or 2.

^This, too.

I do have affairs to get in order before the day ends, mostly in the realm of explaining my reads and convincing people to follow them, that I'm not wrong in them, so a little time to manage that would be appreciated.

in fairness, i think some of your reads are probably right, but enough of them are wrong that i dont want to give you a greater platform to confuse the town.

[Morning Mage]

madrid dude?

[Morning Mage]

Idk why but I’m finding BM’s posts here outrageously funny

More like frustrating in my PoV.

woah whats your problem?

[Morning Mage]

if samantha flips town, im down with gamma tomorrow - deal?

[Morning Mage]

Who’s BM?

probably a typo.

BH is Ban Hydras

[Morning Mage]

y not Gamma today and wait on a Samanta replace?

samantha scummier, and whats the point in getting someone to replace in, read 90 pages and then just get flipped anyway?

[Morning Mage]

That wasn't a valid replace request for sam. Stop acting like it's certain.

it doesnt matter dude

[Morning Mage]

double tops for me btw