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roflcopter wrote:i'm not happy to report that one of the scum was a discard spell.
Where did you get the discard info from?roflcopter wrote:i wish you had found the discard spell.
And if are going to lynch for role based reasons (i.e Rolecop(peek) is scum or RB is scum) - then we should mass claim ..
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IF you are telling the truth - this means that ..roflcopter wrote:i know there's a discard scum because i was forced to claim yesterday by mos-scum and his army of mindless townies, and suddenly today i no longer have my one shot ability though i never used it. i had to discard it.
Korlash,xtoxm and myself are not the discard powers. We are better off lynching someone in the other 5 ..
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Well , i know how it sounded - but i was just listing out the possibility that you could be lying scum ..roflcopter wrote:we're best off lynching mastermind of sin, but...
ooba, why are you trying to poison my well?
unvote, vote: ooba
However the fact that i proposed that we lynch one of the other 5 should tell you that i believe you ..
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No No .. All i stated was A->B .. I did not state A to plant seeds of doubt about your claim.roflcopter wrote:ooba, the fact that you said we should lynch somebody else in the same breath was what convinced me you were trying to poison the well, so that later in the game you or somebody else (read: your scumpartner) would have grounds to bring up the idea that i made a bold faced lie about my role and then said i got discarded. i'd imagine lylo would be when you wanted to do it.
Forgive me if i missed it but apart from your say so is there any other evidence which i missed? -> Not trying to 'poison the well' but only checking if i missed something ...even though all evidence points to the contrary
I didn't hound him because i find the claim believable ..korlash wrote:Why Ooba would jump to lynching other people instead of first hounding you to find out if your scum. Seems like he is more about keepng himself alive. A scum with a power left would gladly bus a partner whithout their ability if given the chance I think. So thats more points against him I think.
Who is more likely scum - me or MOS?rofl wrote:you've been around this site for long enough that i really don't buy you not understanding that argument the first time around. you're scum with ooba.
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Full claim please ..Natirasha wrote:Um...so you've been deliberately misleading the town? You could lose your power for a number of reasons. For example, my power makes a person lose their ability and it is most definitely NOT discard.roflcopter wrote:korlash, the mod didn't say "a discard power was used on you."
i made the thrilling logical leap from "you no longer have your power" to "you got discarded" all by myself.
it really wasn't a difficult leap to make.
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My reasoning was that if you already have revealed all role information - then why leave out card name and flavor? If you do have other role based info left - then keep it to yourself ..Natirasha wrote:I see no reason to fullclaim yet. And if that wasn't blatant fishing, I don't know what is. In fact, it had a tinge of...fear to it.ooba wrote:Full claim please ..Natirasha wrote:Um...so you've been deliberately misleading the town? You could lose your power for a number of reasons. For example, my power makes a person lose their ability and it is most definitely NOT discard.roflcopter wrote:korlash, the mod didn't say "a discard power was used on you."
i made the thrilling logical leap from "you no longer have your power" to "you got discarded" all by myself.
it really wasn't a difficult leap to make.FoS: ooba.
I am a red card in Alpha, though. Oh, and because I forgot to in my last postvote: roflcopter.
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Roffman:
a) Lack of scumhunting
b) Chooses to hide behind others cases or others suspicions
c) My general perception on reading his posts is that he is willing to lynch anybody .. Looking at his votes before the deadline - most of them have the tag of "Its close to deadline so i'm voting him"
Contradictory statement
roffman wrote:also,i agree with MOS. If there is possibly someone who will actively hurt town, irrespective of alignment, i say take them down. And with nothing else to really go on vote Natirisha
Agrees with the wagon but votes for someone for pushing it ... Says he doesn't think it counts though ..i blame MoS for no other reason that he broke with tradition and agreed with korlash. hence unvote vote Mastermind of Sin. Also,his pushing of the Natirisha wagon, role speculation, essentially anything.
PS. as far as i'm concerned, the case against MoS doesn't really count. However, as the jester said, we're approaching deadline and i always prefer majority lynch over deadline lynch.
Overall :
a) Lack of scumhunting
b) Chooses to hide behind others cases or others suspicions
example wrote:anyone have any idea of any other scumspects besides korlash?
c) My general perception on reading his posts is that he is willing to lynch anybody .. Looking at his votes before the deadline - most of them have the tag of "Its close to deadline so i'm voting him"
Unvote. vote:roffman
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Wrench Mind - says "two cards" and mentions something about artifacts -> RejectedAnd while Mirrodin has Wrench Mind, 4th Edition has Mind Twist, and Time Spiral has Mindstab, Planar Chaos has two cards that specifically state that target player discards a card: Dismal Failure and Piracy Charm.
Mind Twist - I'm not all that sure - It says "random number of cards" but entire hand is discarded if you do not have so many cards
Mindstab - says "three cards" so doesn't fit -> Rejected
Dismal Failure - This card seems to fit perfectly - Target someone who loses their ability that very night. (Hence the counter , role blocking element since they can't use it )
Piracy Charm - Too complex -> Rejected
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roflcopter wrote:i think basing a lynch on which set has possible discard effects in it is very dangerous territory. lets stick with who acts scummy, and lynch those people instead.
mos, cassandra complex refers to thinking you've been caught for an illegitimate reason right?
rofl wrote:i made the thrilling logical leap from "you no longer have your power" to "you got discarded" all by myself.
You seem to agree that there is a discard effect in the game . And haven't countered roffman's arguments that lying really doesn't open up avenues for the scum ..
So why shouldn't we lynch on a role based reason?
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a)roffman wrote:rereading ooba's posts, he makes it increasingly obvious that he wants to lynch on "role based" reasons, stemming entirely from set claim. the fact that he wants to lynch the supposed dismal failure (which should technically be a roleblock) over mind twist (one of the most powerful discards ever printed) seems to me like he is focusing purely on grimmy for his own reasons. Added to this is his blatant fishing for natirisha's card, and IMHO he seems the most scummy person. Personally i think ooba is still at L-2, but i'm not going to vote in case grimmy is right. however, i do intend to vote ooba before the deadline, and that may be the hammer vote if no one unvotes.
Why i chose Dismal failure over Mind Twist
The cards which we've had so far..
Confirmed (due to the players dying)
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Gilded Light : You can't be the target of spells or abilities.Cycling 2
Reknit : Regenerate Target permanent
Natural Spring : Target player gains 8 life
From role claims
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Counterspell : Counter target spell
Regrowth : Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.
Clairvoyance : Look at target player's hand.
Terror : Destroy target nonartifact, nonblack creature. It can't be regenerated.
The cards above have simple text - each of which corresponds directly to the mafia roles we've seen so far.
Lets take the two cards
Dismal Failure : "Counter target spell. Its controller discards a card."
Mind Twist : "Target player discards X cards at random."
Mind twist has the 'random' word which we haven't seen in any of the cards above which is why i rejected it. Dismal failure corresponds perfectly to the following text "You may target a player at night. They lose their ability" - thereby if they had attempted to use their power that night it would have been wasted. (due to the roleblocking element)
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Blatant Fishing
I'm of the opinion that if a player has revealed all role based info , then he/she should reveal flavor information too because that would allow us to evaluate the claim better. I've done this as town in both Random mafia 3 and Last days of foxhound.
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Is lynching due to role based reasons bad?
Most of you do not seem to dispute the fact that
a) rofl ability has been lost
b) it is most likely due to a 'discard' (which only Nat seems to have disputed)
If you believe b , then you will not disagree with my reasoning that those who can be confirmed as to have used their power on Night 1 are not the discards. And me too since xtoxm has confirmed that I'm a RB (unless we both are scum together).
I do not play much magic (I've just played around with the elves theme deck) - but it doesn't take a pro to realize that the mod has chosen to add just simple cards in the game from the info we have. I just used ChaosOmega's list to help narrow it down to which one seems most probable.
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Since you seem to agree that it was discard - do you agree/disagree with what i said in my post?roflcopter wrote:thats a brilliant theory, your intellect is truly dizzying [/sarcasm]
tell me, which of these scenarios do you think is more likely:
a)i'm town. i was told at the start of day two that i no longer had a power to use. i came to the conclusion that a discard effect had been used on me.
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But does pushing that plan necessarily make me scum? Anyways I've tallied the vote count and I have 5 votes on me ..roflcopter wrote:i'm positive it was discard.
i just think that trying to base a lynch on who could possibly be a discard spell based on what set they've claimed to be from is a horrible plan.
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